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On the Fly Daylight Savings Time Discussions · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 49 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So as you can tell, we're back to our standard format.
• 0:36
  I Hate Talking: There was only one week of a non-standard format, but we are back to our standard format.
• 0:41
  I Hate Talking: All right, so we're going to tackle a listener requested phrase of the episode, and it is a particular idiom, so maybe we'll have a twofer on this particular episode because I don't know if we've ever defined idiom before.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: I think we maybe used the word or talked about it in some very early episodes, but I don't think we ever defined idiom.
• 1:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't think so.
• 1:05
  I Hate Talking: Hm.
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  I Hate Talking: And this was my fear that if I did not document every word that we did that we might actually do a repeat.
• 1:12
  I Hate Talking: But I don't think it is, but you, our listeners, if this is a repeat, you can keep us honest and let us know.
• 1:20
  I Hate Talking: Right, and if we forgot, and probably other people, or maybe I always have to like refresh myself cause I forget what things mean.
• 1:27
  I Hate Talking: So it's a good refresher.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's true.
• 1:30
  I Hate Talking: So, idiom from our favorite Oxford language dictionary is a noun which means a group of words established by usage.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: As having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words.
• 1:45
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: So it's basically an expression or a particular phrase of speech that people may use within their own locales and their own languages.
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  I Hate Talking: So for example, for English, the Oxford Language Dictionary gives the example that it is raining cats and dogs.
• 2:05
  I Hate Talking: OK, so it is not literally raining cats and dogs, but that is the idiom that describes the torrential downpour.
• 2:13
  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So the listener requested phrase is on the fly, on the fly.
• 2:20
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:21
  I Hate Talking: So we have not done any previous research on the etymology or even the meaning of that particular phrase.
• 2:29
  I Hate Talking: So I guess we'll be doing this phrase of the episode on the fly.
• 2:33
  I Hate Talking: Nice, that's appropriate.
• 2:35
  I Hate Talking: So what comes to mind when you think on the fly, either as it's used or perhaps maybe where it may have originated from?
• 2:42
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, if I were to hear that, I would think that like, just make it up as you go.
• 2:48
  I Hate Talking: We'll figure it out.
• 2:49
  I Hate Talking: So, I would feel like it comes from Um, I don't even know.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: See, I'm not, I'm not good at being on the fly.
• 3:00
  I Hate Talking: My head goes to two things, either an airplane.
• 3:04
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, no, but they need to know where they're going.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: You don't just get to make up your flight path as you go, hopefully.
• 3:12
  I Hate Talking: And then the others like an actual fly.
• 3:15
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, well, do they know where they're going at all times, right?
• 3:20
  I Hate Talking: The insect, uh you have to fly and perhaps it is interesting to note that fly has a lot of different meanings and a lot of different contexts that it can be used in the insect, the verb, the noun.
• 3:35
  I Hate Talking: Even the way that it's used as slang to describe something as cool back in the day.
• 3:40
  I Hate Talking: Pretty fly for a white guy.
• 3:44
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 3:45
  I Hate Talking: So, I would agree it's something that, like you said, you make up as you go, you figure it out as you're proceeding down whatever particular thing that you're doing, and that is on the fly.
• 3:57
  I Hate Talking: You don't necessarily have a plan.
• 3:59
  I Hate Talking: But you are just going with the flow, which is perhaps another idiom that is in the same vein, but nonetheless, I don't really know or even have any guess where this particular phrase would have come from.
• 4:14
  I Hate Talking: If I had to guess, I would maybe say something related to the military with like the Air Force or something way back in history where The pilot is going to do something on the fly and they're gonna do something as they're flying, they're going to make their plans.
• 4:31
  I Hate Talking: So I guess that's sort of along the lines of what you were thinking, but I would consider it more maybe in the military tactics kind of flight.
• 4:39
  I Hate Talking: Cause they'd have to make a quick decision then.
• 4:42
  I Hate Talking: Right, the, the Air Force pilot or whomever would need to make a quick decision and they're doing that on the fly.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah, I'll buy that.
• 4:50
  I Hate Talking: Cause when I was picturing like a commercial aircraft, I was like, yeah, they can't just switch up.
• 4:56
  I Hate Talking: But yes, a military would need to.
• 4:59
  I Hate Talking: Alright, so now let's actually find out what it means and where it came from.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: Alright, so now through the magic of podcast editing, we are back with the answer, or at least what we think might be the answer based on actually some conflicting information.
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  I Hate Talking: Now, it is pretty consistent that it does mean something that is done while in motion or while in progress, that is how the Oxford Language Dictionary actually defines the phrase on the fly.
• 5:31
  I Hate Talking: And then it does also get defined by some other resources here.
• 5:38
  I Hate Talking: From Wikipedia of all things, where it is meant to be used in a phrase that means hurriedly or in a quick and improvised manner.
• 5:49
  I Hate Talking: So I think we got the definition pretty well spot on in terms of the idiom and we would know what somebody means when they use that idiom and we would use it in a similar fashion.
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  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 6:00
  I Hate Talking: And then what did your research say about the origin?
• 6:04
  I Hate Talking: So, according to Wikipedia, there's some different things on there, but the thing that seems most agreed upon is that it does have the roots in aviation.
• 6:15
  I Hate Talking: So where pilots didn't rely on instruments or maps, electronic maps as it were, that they would have to make decisions about the course and altitude quickly based on what they could see, so they would do that on the fly and that they would make those decisions based on what their surroundings indicated to them in terms of the current situation.
• 6:35
  I Hate Talking: So that they could fly the aircraft safely.
• 6:39
  I Hate Talking: The first option that comes up for me actually says it's from baseball in the 1800s.
• 6:48
  I Hate Talking: Did you find that one?
• 6:49
  I Hate Talking: That is the other main one that did come up during my research.
• 6:53
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 6:54
  I Hate Talking: And that means that The ball was caught before touching the ground.
• 6:58
  I Hate Talking: Right, -- so -- make sense fly ball, catch the fly ball.
• 7:03
  I Hate Talking: Correct, yep, so basically that the ball was on the fly and the person had to do something in a quick fashion with a lot of motion in order to catch the ball before touching the ground.
• 7:16
  I Hate Talking: I don't really know which one I would go with because those are like completely different etymologies.
• 7:24
  I Hate Talking: I could believe either one, but I feel a little bit more sympathetic to the aviation one, but I think that's maybe because that's what I thought of originally.
• 7:36
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but.
• 7:38
  I Hate Talking: If this is accurate, it says in 1856, this was a phrase.
• 7:43
  I Hate Talking: There was not aviation right back then.
• 7:46
  I Hate Talking: So it would have to be the baseball one first.
• 7:49
  I Hate Talking: That could be.
• 7:51
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 7:52
  I Hate Talking: 1856 is the the exact date given here.
• 7:56
  I Hate Talking: I'm also a little sympathetic probably because we just showed our kids Sam Lott for the first time, and I have great memories of the movie, and it's all about baseball and boys coming of age and all that.
• 8:11
  I Hate Talking: So, Uh, it was an experience teaching it to our kids, but now, I think I'm more sympathetic to the baseball option.
• 8:18
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, well, I guess we need to check Ngram viewer and see when exactly on the fly became a phrase.
• 8:26
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, good idea.
• 8:28
  I Hate Talking: I do that with my phone.
• 8:29
  I Hate Talking: So not a lot of usage at all, actually, and the first Real spike in usage is 1913.
• 8:41
  I Hate Talking: So, that's what's in the books from on the fly.
• 8:46
  I Hate Talking: And when did aviation take?
• 8:48
  I Hate Talking: Take off, fights.
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: So the Wright brothers would have done that in 1903 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: So, and Graham Viewer actually indicates that it may be related to aviation if it was really only used in written media starting in 1913.
• 9:11
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: So we may not have the answer, but there are some.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: Interesting, different theories I guess on where on the fly came from.
• 9:23
  I Hate Talking: And it's basically aviation or baseball.
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: And I don't know if you can get much different than that, but nonetheless, it is pretty clear the definition as it is used in the modern lexicon in such a way to do something in a hurried fashion while you're in motion.
• 9:40
  I Hate Talking: Do you think that it's the same as like the idiom weaning it?
• 9:46
  I Hate Talking: Well, you must be reading the same article that I was because that one is one that I guess the submitter of that question was thinking that that was related to aviation, but it's not.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: No, it's to theater, right?
• 10:02
  I Hate Talking: Right, so if you're winging it, you're doing something without a lot of preparation.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: And therefore, you are actually relying on somebody in the wings.
• 10:13
  I Hate Talking: On the side stage, as it were, to give you the prompts and lines in order to perform.
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, there you go.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: And then you're winging it because you don't have the preparation and you're relying on that other person in the wings.
• 10:25
  I Hate Talking: So similar idea.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: I guess on the fly would probably mean you're doing it, right?
• 10:32
  I Hate Talking: Whether you're catching the ball yourself or you're flying the airplane.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: You have to make these split second decisions, where we need it, you're dependent on somebody else.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that's a good distinction.
• 10:48
  I Hate Talking: So thank you to our listener who submitted that request for the etymology on the phrase.
• 10:55
  I Hate Talking: On the fly.
• 10:57
  I Hate Talking: It's a difficult phrase to say on the fly when you're describing it as a phrase.
• 11:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: Those F's.
• 11:06
  I Hate Talking: I was more referring to the multiple ons, we did the etymology on on the fly.
• 11:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 11:14
  I Hate Talking: So Our topic for today is something that Probably most of us, not all of us in the United States have experienced, and I don't think other people experience this elsewhere in the world.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: So for our international listeners, you'll get a little bit of an insight into the craziness of the United States, less Arizona.
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I know what you're gonna talk about.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: -- Daylight -- savings.
• 11:43
  I Hate Talking: So we had daylight savings.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: Fall back in the fall when we were podcasting, but I guess it didn't come up in conversation or part of what we were talking about at that -- particular time because -- I hate it and you love it and you make our agenda.
• 11:59
  I Hate Talking: Well, sometimes we make the agenda on the fly, but most, most times, yes, it's me coming up with a particular outline of the episode and you are correct.
• 12:10
  I Hate Talking: I don't really mind the fallback aspect of it, and I do mind the spring ahead, whereas perhaps you have the opposite experience, but just to explain a little bit what we're talking about in the United States, and I think all the states less Arizona, maybe Alaska doesn't do it, I'm not entirely sure.
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  I Hate Talking: But basically, we change the time of the day.
• 12:35
  I Hate Talking: Two times each year, one time where we fall back and the time goes from 3 a.m. to 2 a.m.
• 12:45
  I Hate Talking: so you essentially add an extra hour and then the other time which we just experienced the spring ahead where it will immediately go from 1-59 a.m. to 3 a.m.
• 12:56
  I Hate Talking: and you lose that hour.
• 12:57
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: Now, I guess the history on this is that this was done for the farmers so that they could have standardized light for doing all their outside work and somehow I guess maybe the trains are related to this a little bit since the trains will run on a certain schedule and the farmers need to take the trains.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: I'm not entirely certain.
• 13:20
  I Hate Talking: We also have electricity now, so the fact that it gets dark out is not very prohibitive to Any particular outdoor activity nowadays, and I think the farmers do just fine, probably farming 24 hours a day in some cases for some of these industrial type farms.
• 13:40
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, but to play devil's advocate, because I do not mind this one we just had where we lose the hour.
• 13:48
  I Hate Talking: I hate, and we can explain why you and I both hate opposites in a bit.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: But I screenshotted this, I saw from AccuWeather.
• 13:57
  I Hate Talking: Um, on Sunday when everything changed.
• 14:00
  I Hate Talking: Because it um explained why we still do it.
• 14:05
  I Hate Talking: Cause you're right, people are like, we have electricity now.
• 14:08
  I Hate Talking: We don't need it any longer, but in the summer, if we didn't spring ahead, Chicago would get the sunrise at 4-15 a.m. in the summer.
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: That is so early.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: Can you imagine getting the sun shining in your bedroom at 4 a.m.?
• 14:27
  I Hate Talking: That's why you would spring ahead and then just stay on spring ahead time.
• 14:33
  I Hate Talking: So I do think that daylight savings time is a good thing, but that we should just stay on daylight savings time and never go back to standard time.
• 14:43
  I Hate Talking: So we sprung ahead in your ideal world, we would not touch the clocks again.
• 14:48
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 14:50
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: In the summer, Chicago's sun will rise at 5 a.m.
• 14:55
  I Hate Talking: 5 or 5-30, yeah, exactly.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: The other thing that I think would be ideal to do this at the same time when you're just committing to daily savings time or the less ideal standard time in my opinion, would be to change the United States to only have 3 time zones.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, because time zones are difficult because some of them don't even go by state.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: Some cut straight through states.
• 15:25
  I Hate Talking: So then if you're driving through a state, Like Florida has 2 time zones, and we've gone to Florida before and I've messed that up because I wasn't sure what time zone we're in.
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: So, I'd be more on board of that, maybe, but maybe not, cause then you're still having multiple state time zones.
• 15:43
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think you would have to potentially still cut through some states.
• 15:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if there would be a clear dividing line just by state lines, especially with just how some of the states don't fit very well together, right?
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: There's some that Extend much further east and west than others do.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: And that would just cause some confusion there, but in the business world, right, with the highly communicative nature of technology and the global commerce that exists, there really is not much of time zones anyway because if you're working for a company that's in California on the East Coast, you're gonna follow that California time or vice versa.
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: And actually having a smaller set of time zones makes that particular divergence less severe.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: Well, that worked really well for us when we were dating.
• 16:39
  I Hate Talking: I was on the West Coast and you were on the east coast, but you were working for a West Coast company, and so you were on their time zone, and that worked out well, because you would be up later and you're, you'd get off work later, and so we could talk on the phone or whatnot.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: And that's probably a good segue into perhaps why we have different experiences with spring ahead or fall back because in general, I will be more of a night person and not so much of a morning person, whereas you will have the opposite experience and more associate with the morning person and not as much as the night person and I think that's indicative of also how we experience.
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: The fall back where I personally enjoy getting the extra quote unquote hour of sleep and basically could essentially stay up one hour later and then still sort of get up at the same time because I've got the same amount of sleep.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: Whereas the spring ahead is the exact opposite of that.
• 17:40
  I Hate Talking: I actually will try to go to bed an hour early so that I get the same amount of sleep.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 17:46
  I Hate Talking: I don't, that doesn't make sense to me at all.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: On Sunday, when it happened, you woke up, you got the same amount of time, slept.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: And You just didn't have an extra hour in the morning to hang around.
• 18:02
  I Hate Talking: Which is a fair point.
• 18:05
  I Hate Talking: I actually didn't really experience the spring ahead until Monday because basically I slept in for an hour on Sunday past what I normally would.
• 18:13
  I Hate Talking: So I didn't really feel the effect that particular day, but I did the following day on Monday.
• 18:19
  I Hate Talking: So, this is the first year I ever experienced spring ahead as a difficulty because some of our children are getting to that pre-teen adolescent age, and they're sleeping more.
• 18:31
  I Hate Talking: So it was harder to wake them up the last two days because they do want to sleep longer.
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: So I do see that, so maybe they're gonna take after you in that way.
• 18:42
  I Hate Talking: But when they were babies, especially, our kids don't sleep well, and they would wake up when it was fall back, so you get quote unquote extra hour of sleep.
• 18:52
  I Hate Talking: They wouldn't, they don't read clocks, they don't know what time it is.
• 18:57
  I Hate Talking: So, if they normally wake up at 6 a.m.
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: they are waking up at 5 a.m.
• 19:03
  I Hate Talking: And then I'm trying to keep them awake till, I don't know, 7 p.m.
• 19:09
  I Hate Talking: but their body's telling them it's 8 p.m.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: so then they're whiny and fussy.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: But we still have all our evening activities.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: So that's where the frustration comes from me for fallback.
• 19:20
  I Hate Talking: is when it's fall back, you get their quote unquote extra hour of sleep.
• 19:25
  I Hate Talking: But then if you have an activity that ends at 8 p.m., Your body thinks it's 9 p.m.
• 19:31
  I Hate Talking: and anyone who knows me knows I'm in sleep at 9 p.m. Like, I do not like staying up late.
• 19:38
  I Hate Talking: So, that was frustrating to me.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: It was just a very long day then, for especially when the kids were little, they'd wake up early and the day just dragged on.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and that is the difference because if I was given the choice on either having to stay up one hour later or going to bed at regular time and then getting up one hour earlier, I will always 99.99% of the time, choose to stay up one hour later.
• 20:06
  I Hate Talking: And I, I'm sympathetic to that because I cannot stay up late, but my brain is awake.
• 20:13
  I Hate Talking: In the morning, always.
• 20:15
  I Hate Talking: The second I wake up, I'm wide awake.
• 20:17
  I Hate Talking: And so if I try to put myself empathetically in your position of thinking like, well, your brain's awake, no matter what at night.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: I try to understand that, but I don't experience that at all.
• 20:29
  I Hate Talking: My brain shuts off.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: I can feel it like slow, turn down the dial as the evening goes on and then it's done.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: But then the second my eyes open in the morning.
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: I can have a full conversation and I'm fine, which we still need to have a podcast in the morning to prove that.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: We talked about that a long time ago, remember?
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: There was a podcast that was super sleepy, and I was like, I need a morning podcast to show how awake I can be and sleepy you can be.
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to perhaps attempt that sometime soon.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: And just figure out how to do that because I think our schedules are more conducive to doing them at night, but nonetheless, we can try to do that for one, maybe it'll work out and then it will be our new routine.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: Maybe, but you're right, it does make more sense to put the kids to sleep and then spend this time doing the talking.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: The other thing of note that comes to my mind when dealing with time changes, specifically daylight savings time is just how much of an impact it does have to my routine, whereas in some of my early career, I would travel and jump 3 time zones and then basically have a 3 hour time difference or even sometimes travel internationally and be off by Nearly 12 hours in some cases and just deal with that.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know if the difference is because my routine is just completely different.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: So therefore, I can deal with the time change adequately.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: Maybe I was younger at that time or something.
• 22:09
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure, but I think the singular thing that I would be able to identify is that during the daylight savings time, both fall back and spring ahead is that I'm In the same regular routine and therefore is more of an impact to my sleep schedule.
• 22:27
  I Hate Talking: OK, I could see that.
• 22:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 22:29
  I Hate Talking: There was a time that, yeah, you were definitely jumping around a lot and that was hard.
• 22:33
  I Hate Talking: Even when we went a couple time zones away recently, I don't know if it's just our age or like you said, we're just more in a routine now.
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: It was hard to keep up with that time zone change.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I was also less strict with converting to the time zone because it was more of a vacation, because one of the easiest ways for me to align to a new time zone.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: is just by the meal time, so basically just don't eat until the following day.
• 23:07
  I Hate Talking: And then you can reset your clock in that fashion.
• 23:11
  I Hate Talking: So, I did not particularly employ that strategy of resetting my diet on that particular trip because it was more vacation and therefore was not really.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: Taking that much concern into the times that I ate.
• 23:27
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: Now, one correction from earlier in the episode, it is only parts of Arizona that do not observe daylight savings time and then it's actually Hawaii.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: So I said Alaska, it was one of the non-contiguous states but got the wrong one.
• 23:44
  I Hate Talking: Hawaii does not observe daylight savings time.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: -- What -- part of Arizona does?
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: I think that the Indian lands will observe it.
• 23:54
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 23:56
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, that makes sense that they have the sovereignty to choose.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: Right, I guess we better fact check that real quick.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: All I know is that I have a sibling that lives there.
• 24:07
  I Hate Talking: And so, and I have other siblings that live on the west coast, and so it's a constant game in my head.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: Of what time zone are they the same or are they different?
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: Because California and Arizona are the same half the year.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: And then Arizona is an hour ahead.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: In the winter.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: That is true, and that is why some of the parts of Arizona do observe daylight savings time is because they are part of the Navajo Nation, which Extends into Arizona, Utah and New Mexico.
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: So basically because Utah and New Mexico observe daylight savings time, that part of the Navajo Nation that extends into Arizona does as well so that they can be on coordinated times.
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 24:59
  I Hate Talking: That's really interesting and that definitely makes sense.
• 25:03
  I Hate Talking: But the Grand Canyon, can you tell me this then, because maybe I'm just my geography.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: The Grand Canyon, what time zone is that?
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: That would not.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: Is there daylight saving time, cause I feel like that'd be pretty similar close.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: Region to the Navajo Nation, right?
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: So, The Grand Canyon Village and I guess all the surrounding areas would be in Mountain Standard Time.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: Grand Canyon National Park in its entirety stays on mountain time year round because it's in Arizona and it is not part of the previously stated Navajo Nation.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 25:41
  I Hate Talking: Now there is an interesting subset within the Navajo Nation, the Hopi do not observe daylight savings time.
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: So that small section that is within the Navajo Nation does not observe it, so they would stay with the rest of Arizona.
• 25:57
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: OK, so is that what I'm like, if you Google it, there is a little block southwest, inside the Navajo Nation, and that would be the part that does stay with Arizona.
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: So I guess if you drive through that area at 2 a.m. on daylight savings time night, you could be in a lot of different times at that trip because you'd be changing time zones and times.
• 26:23
  I Hate Talking: Or not changing times because some places don't observe daily savings time.
• 26:28
  I Hate Talking: So I think that just proves the point that we should either just stick with daylight savings time or get rid of it all in its entirety and fix these weird time zone things that exist and just make it more standard.
• 26:43
  I Hate Talking: Right, I'm not opposed to that.
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: I lean towards your opinion more just cause it's disruptive.
• 26:51
  I Hate Talking: I don't like our lives being disrupted.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: But I'm open to it either way.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't necessarily have a strong hatred for it or not.
• 27:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, that is true.
• 27:03
  I Hate Talking: It is disruptive.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: I think some statistics that I've read about it actually say that the amount of car crashes and vehicular incidents and things of that nature actually increase both the spring ahead and the fallback.
• 27:19
  I Hate Talking: There's less worker productivity, especially on the spring ahead type of side of things.
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: So there are definitively.
• 27:28
  I Hate Talking: Things that do disrupt people's routine when it comes to daylight savings or standard time.
• 27:35
  I Hate Talking: So we know about the US obviously, because that's where we're from.
• 27:39
  I Hate Talking: But do other countries, even just like right north of us in Canada or larger countries like Russia, do they sell uh observe daylight savings time?
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: celebrate?
• 27:52
  I Hate Talking: Do they have a festival?
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 27:55
  I Hate Talking: Do they?
• 27:55
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 27:57
  I Hate Talking: That's why I'm asking you.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: I thought you did the research on this, and this was gonna be like a clever setup that you had the answer to.
• 28:03
  I Hate Talking: No, we're just doing it on the fly.
• 28:05
  I Hate Talking: So, according to a quick Google search, there are a variety of other countries that do have some form of daily savings time.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: So there is France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: There's a bunch that do it in the Eastern European summertime, so countries like Bulgaria and Lithuania.
• 28:28
  I Hate Talking: Ireland has one.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: Uh, there's a whole bunch of islands that do it, uh, so like the Canary Islands and the Faroe Islands.
• 28:36
  I Hate Talking: Egypt, interestingly enough, is the only African country that observes any sort of delight savings time.
• 28:44
  I Hate Talking: Uh, Paraguay and some locations within Mexico, but The country as a whole does not.
• 28:52
  I Hate Talking: But isn't there something to say about all those countries you listed have a strong connection to Western culture?
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: That does seem to hold true.
• 29:03
  I Hate Talking: So there you have it.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: Let's see, so who are we?
• 29:07
  I Hate Talking: -- It's probably because I don't mind I think we -- invented it, right?
• 29:12
  I Hate Talking: -- The daily savings was invented by the -- AI.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: I'm just saying, because ask me again in November when it changes and I'll hate it, just like you have a hatred for it right now.
• 29:27
  I Hate Talking: Uh, my, my heart just says, who are we?
• 29:30
  I Hate Talking: How are you with all these other countries?
• 29:33
  I Hate Talking: If they all agree on this as a good option.
• 29:36
  I Hate Talking: So I guess the very first.
• 29:40
  I Hate Talking: piece of this and maybe.
• 29:42
  I Hate Talking: We can do some more research on this, but in 1895, there was a New Zealander.
• 29:48
  I Hate Talking: That proposed shifting clocks to make the most of the daylight during summertime.
• 29:56
  I Hate Talking: And there were some things that were proposed in Britain, and then I looks like 1918 was like the first countrywide.
• 30:05
  I Hate Talking: Enactment of daylight savings time in the United States.
• 30:10
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, I mean, New Zealand makes sense because the farther away you are from the equator, right, you're gonna be affected more by the, the sun.
• 30:20
  I Hate Talking: Like, I had the privilege to be in a Russia for a while in college.
• 30:25
  I Hate Talking: And in the summertime, I was there, and it would be like 2 a.m.
• 30:32
  I Hate Talking: and it was, I mean, the sun was setting, but it wasn't ever dark.
• 30:36
  I Hate Talking: Like, it was just insane to be out so late at night, and it wasn't dark.
• 30:41
  I Hate Talking: And again, the opposite, right in the winter, it gets dark really soon.
• 30:47
  I Hate Talking: So the farther away you are from the equator, Your days are longer or shorter.
• 30:53
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 30:54
  I Hate Talking: And I guess the US was not actually the first, so upon a little bit more research, Germany and Austria as part of World War One efforts in 1916 enacted daylight savings time again as sort of the wartime effort to quote unquote conserve energy.
• 31:11
  I Hate Talking: And then there were certain areas of Canada, specifically the ports in Ontario and on the eastern seaboard.
• 31:20
  I Hate Talking: That would do this to again, save daylight back in 1908 was the first like observed sort of thing as far as the procedural governments go.
• 31:34
  I Hate Talking: OK, and this probably sounds super naive, but who chooses the time?
• 31:40
  I Hate Talking: Like, if we need to talk about this another time, that's fine.
• 31:43
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if we have time now, but who Decides what time it is, like how far back does that go and who gets to say it is 12 p.m.?
• 31:56
  I Hate Talking: In the US, whoever owns the trains in the train stations, yes, that's how the time zones got created in the US, OK, so that all the trains would run on time.
• 32:07
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 32:08
  I Hate Talking: So there you have it, some interesting tidbits about daylight savings time and maybe some opinions that you can empathize with or not as much, but if you did enjoy this episode, like and share it.
• 32:20
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.