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Tastykakes Soul Songs And Shining Stars From He Who Lived It Joe McEwen · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today, sir?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: How are you absolutely fantastic and very excited to share
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  Speaker 1: a conversation with you because you've got to be feeling
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  Speaker 1: it inside your soul that this book Tasty Cakes is
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  Speaker 1: coming out at the absolute right time, because I believe
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  Speaker 1: that we're going into a summer of R and B
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  Speaker 1: and soul. It is all over us. You can hear it,
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  Speaker 1: you can see it. And now we've got this book
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  Speaker 1: that's going to say, by the way, some stuff happened
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  Speaker 1: before we got to this modern day soul and R
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  Speaker 1: and B.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're right in the middle of the It used
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  Speaker 2: to be the beach music scene there.
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  Speaker 3: What do you know about beach music? What do you know?
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  Speaker 2: It was an endless summer. That was the real endless summer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, isn't that the truth? And they're still dancing, dude,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, it's just amazing how how
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  Speaker 1: this sound has evolved into so many different shapes and forms,
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  Speaker 1: and when you break it down, it really is all
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  Speaker 1: about the soul in R and B.
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  Speaker 2: It's there, Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's what I
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  Speaker 2: really ultimately fell in love with when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: although I liked all kinds of music also, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the one that really just really connected with me. And
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia where I grew up, was just such a great
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  Speaker 2: area for all music, but that music and just dancing culture.
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  Speaker 2: Even when the Beatles came along, the dancing component and
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  Speaker 2: this whole other culture that was happening and vocal groups
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  Speaker 2: just never went away, you know, and ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and gambling Huffer merged out of that. Oh yes, I'm
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  Speaker 2: beel and you know all those records, great records, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's because that R and B respected
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  Speaker 1: the Beatles in the way of those that were in
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  Speaker 1: the business were going, wait a second, you're doing what
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  Speaker 1: we've been doing. Okay, you're one of us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I think I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: Beatles obviously did covers, just like the Rolling Stones. Screw
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  Speaker 2: it did of you know, in the very early days.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, they all quickly, you know, the Beatles
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  Speaker 2: in particular, quickly, you know fashioned you know, their own
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  Speaker 2: path in music. That was no one had gone down
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  Speaker 2: and no one really since has actually gone down that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just felt like the culture was
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  Speaker 2: so happening around us then as kids, and it was
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  Speaker 2: just like, you know, just it was just there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you absorb it and then you figure out I
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  Speaker 2: like that or I like that more, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it just you know, I don't know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: it was a good time to grow up for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to live it and to find yourself now within
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  Speaker 1: these pages? Is it two different personalities? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: were you an archaeologist or do you feel like that
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I live this music. I want to share
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  Speaker 1: this journey with somebody who's just discovered it, because we
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  Speaker 1: are that generation right now where every child on this
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  Speaker 1: earth is calling everybody else's music their music.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, for me, it was a passion and
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  Speaker 2: that's you know, And the book is somewhat of a
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  Speaker 2: vanity project. But on the other hand, it really is
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  Speaker 2: a tribute to these people. And you know that I
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  Speaker 2: was able to watch, to talk to, you know, observe
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  Speaker 2: right about what they were doing, and you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they were interacting with other people, but you know the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they let you into their lives so openly,
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  Speaker 2: and even Michael, like it was not that big a
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  Speaker 2: deal to talk to Michael then it was when he
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  Speaker 2: was filming The Whiz and it was kind of the
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  Speaker 2: down for the Jacksons, but you know, it was a
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  Speaker 2: great I just watched them and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: stuff was going on, but you know, he had his
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  Speaker 2: publicist and then this other Bodyguarb who's kind of came
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  Speaker 2: and went, but it was and the publicist left too
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  Speaker 2: and just me and Ham just talking.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you love those moments though? With these artists, the
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  Speaker 1: singer songwriters as well, how down to earth they really are,
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  Speaker 1: Because that's what I think. That's one of my addictions
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  Speaker 1: into talking with the artists, those that have made it
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  Speaker 1: and those that are struggling even today, is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they have a story. They they're all just real
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  Speaker 1: people who just happen to make it. And I can't
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  Speaker 1: get enough of how much passion they put into everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's what drives everybody, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and the at least the music and the artist, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether I worked with them or signed them and the
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  Speaker 2: records or back then when I was just a kid,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, in wonder of like how does this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Where does this mad come from? You know, how do
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  Speaker 2: people create this stuff?
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  Speaker 3: When?
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  Speaker 1: When when you were the jock on the radio, did
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  Speaker 1: you ever look at yourself as being what they call
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  Speaker 1: the pied pipers of rock and roll? Are you familiar
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  Speaker 1: with that term?
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it was a cliche, I guess. No.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't that at all. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I was just.
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  Speaker 2: Just fashioned my own personality based on the radio that
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  Speaker 2: I grew up with. I really wasn't, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: much into the FM. You know, FM was just beginning there,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, and I was college in Boston. WBCN
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  Speaker 2: then was the big it was becoming. You know, it
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  Speaker 2: just had started and it just already you know, within
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  Speaker 2: a year or two, it just became you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the place to be, you know, if you're in the
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  Speaker 2: for all the college kids in Boston, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was just the hub of listening for everybody. They created
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  Speaker 2: this whole culture around the city.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fascinating to talk with people here in the
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  Speaker 1: South in the way that when they bring up the
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  Speaker 1: sounds of soul and R and B, they always point
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  Speaker 1: directly right to Philly. And I love listening to that
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  Speaker 1: Southern accent they share and they're talking about Philly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I just I just wish together they would get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and just just have this conversation, because in
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  Speaker 1: every direction you look at in this nation, everything seems
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  Speaker 1: to point toward Philly when it comes to that sound.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know about that, but I
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think you know that Gamble and Huff
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  Speaker 2: really never quite gotten the credit that they were do.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It was a time when rock and roll
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  Speaker 2: was really beginning to really flourish, and the album business,
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  Speaker 2: the rock and roll album business, and the English artists
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  Speaker 2: and record companies learning how to market albums. In the
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  Speaker 2: early seventies really when it just became like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: record sales mushroomed up, and you know, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: music that Kenny and Leon Huff were doing and Tom
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  Speaker 2: Bell was more orchestrated. It could be, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: could be a lot of things. The rhythm section. The
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  Speaker 2: band MFSB was incredible early young the drummer was just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a virtuoso and you know, those guys had
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  Speaker 2: been around for a while. They're all were not you know,
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  Speaker 2: kids themselves at that point, but you know, they had
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  Speaker 2: a vision. Kenny told me his vision for MFSB was
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  Speaker 2: the Glenn He saw the Glenn Miller story on TV
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  Speaker 2: when he was young with Jimmy Stewart and like Glenn
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  Speaker 2: Miller leading this orchestra, uh and everyone or this big
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  Speaker 2: band and everyone in white you know, tail coats and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, you know, that's what I want, you
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  Speaker 2: know when I get older, man, so uh and it
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  Speaker 2: and it turned into uh, you know MFSP and the
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  Speaker 2: Sound of Philadelphia mm TSOP.
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  Speaker 3: We played those guys so much.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's that's how I tend to really
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  Speaker 1: kind of when when people say, oh, you were bet
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  Speaker 1: you were in radio before digital, Let's say, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: should have experienced radio back then.
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  Speaker 3: And you know.
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  Speaker 1: And because there was just something about grabbing that forty
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  Speaker 1: five or that album, hearing that Cube burn and then
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  Speaker 1: being the jock that set it free. And to me,
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  Speaker 1: it was part of the relationship between the songwriter and
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  Speaker 1: that listener, and all we were was the person in
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  Speaker 1: the middle to make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're my kind of guy, man, anybody who writes
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  Speaker 2: about likes forty fives and vinyl playing Vinyl on the
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  Speaker 2: radio because that was the only way, man. Yeah, so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And when they jumped to carts, I mean I remember
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  Speaker 1: looking at Jack stevensk Okay saying, I ain't doing that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I really have to have my fingers on a forty
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  Speaker 1: five because I became addicted to the groove. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to rub your thumb on that groove.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yes, I know that feeling. Well, man, please do
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  Speaker 2: not move.
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  Speaker 1: There's more with Joe McEwan coming up next, Tasty Cakes,
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  Speaker 1: Soul Songs and Shining Stars. That is the new book
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  Speaker 1: from Joe McEwan. Your book cover really shot me into
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  Speaker 1: a place for the imagination because it was about fashion.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was about prestige, it was it was
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  Speaker 1: about a journey, and we could step into a place
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  Speaker 1: that was beyond where we were as listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all the paths were being blazed at that point.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there weren't any all the rules were being created,
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  Speaker 2: you know, which sort of you know, in a few
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  Speaker 2: years though, like than they were the rules. But back
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  Speaker 2: then it's like whether it was in the sixties, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with Bob Dylan and the Beatles and Stones and then
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  Speaker 2: all the you know, soul stuff or you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like all happening and everyone's trying to outdo everyone
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  Speaker 2: else all the time. And it was one single after
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  Speaker 2: another because it was really the singles, you know, mentality
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  Speaker 2: was still very much you know, leading like the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the record business, you know, so anyway, but the idea
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  Speaker 2: of the record, you know, it's just somehow it's tactle man.
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  Speaker 2: You feel it, you know, and then it just it
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  Speaker 2: could skip or it could you know, be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know, I just felt like it made
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  Speaker 2: a more connection to you know. It's just a different
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  Speaker 2: kind of radio as any well known.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that was back in the day
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  Speaker 1: when program directors would sit you down in meetings. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I came down from Montana in eighty
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  Speaker 1: five and my program director said, if you do not
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  Speaker 1: learn who maybe as Staples is, then I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a position for you on this radio station, because you
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  Speaker 1: have got to understand what we're where Mayvis came from,
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  Speaker 1: and what the music is doing even today, because we
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  Speaker 1: were going into that era of this new thing called
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  Speaker 1: adult contemporary music. My god, people like Michael Bolton were
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  Speaker 1: bringing that sound of soul and R and B back,
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  Speaker 1: And if I didn't know mayvs. Staples, I didn't deserve
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  Speaker 1: to be on that man's radio station.
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  Speaker 2: I actually worked with Michael Bolton, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Really, Oh dude.
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  Speaker 1: I pitched against Michael Bolton over here at Charlotte Knights Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: They beat us fifty four to zero. But he never
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  Speaker 1: once made me feel bad about being the pitcher. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we had the best time out there.
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  Speaker 2: Michael. Was Michael any good as an athlete?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah he was, Yeah, he was.
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  Speaker 1: I just I loved watching him hit that ball because
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, I had a Ted
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  Speaker 1: Williams moment because the way, because you could tell that
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  Speaker 1: Michael put a lot of focus on his swing and
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  Speaker 1: the way that he would step into that into that
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  Speaker 1: place where he could just hit that ball into a
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  Speaker 1: total different zone that he knew would make those fans
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  Speaker 1: in the stands scream like it was the front page
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  Speaker 1: of a new song.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, oh, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: So now when you write a book like this, you
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  Speaker 1: know you're going to reach an audience that doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: the history. But now, because we are so addicted to
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  Speaker 1: Spotify and iHeartRadio, you're giving us that opportunity to now
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  Speaker 1: know the artist as well as sing along with the song.
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  Speaker 1: You're giving us a completely different depth of the total experience.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I thought, you know, I think it's the idea
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  Speaker 2: that you know, getting to know actually where the magic
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  Speaker 2: comes from and where this joy or where this pain
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  Speaker 2: or where you know, where it all comes from, no
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  Speaker 2: matter what kind of music do you like. Actually that
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's just their people, just like we all are.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like they have this gift somehow, and the gift,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whether it's to bring out their hurt, their pain,
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  Speaker 2: or to bring out like a message of you know,
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  Speaker 2: of hope or redemption or whatever it is that you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just you know, it's it is a it's
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  Speaker 2: a magic and it's it's a sense of wonder, I
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  Speaker 2: think for all of us, you know, And it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter as the type of music necessarily. That's how I've
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  Speaker 2: always looked at it, you know, even when it's got
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  Speaker 2: to be. You know, I was young enough, old enough
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  Speaker 2: to know like, this is something that I just felt
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  Speaker 2: like it was pulling me in.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, that's what music is supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to pull you in, because I mean, even
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  Speaker 1: even Margot Jefferson sits here and says it's the primal
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  Speaker 1: stuff of memory and experience, and just to still hear
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  Speaker 1: it in your voice, I'm going, oh, he totally gets
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about that I wrote, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I try my best and I try my best in
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  Speaker 2: this book to just present things that you know, I
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  Speaker 2: felt passionate about, and you know, it's it was a
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  Speaker 2: labor of love, honestly, and it's just been the labor
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  Speaker 2: of love my whole life. I'm just lucky.
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  Speaker 1: But did you get to have what I call the
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  Speaker 1: listener experience? Because so many times people ask me what
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  Speaker 1: my favorite song is, and I say, I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you about a radio station that I played at. But
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  Speaker 1: to have a real listener experience with the music, I
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  Speaker 1: was more into sharing the songs and not discovering the songs.
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  Speaker 3: How about you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know I appreciate, first of all, I love
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  Speaker 2: the music, and that's really what the bribing for me was.
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  Speaker 2: And I assume probably yourself, although maybe it was radio
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  Speaker 2: first and I loved DJAS back in the day when
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  Speaker 2: they had like real personality about that, huh. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not quite sure how to answer
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  Speaker 2: your question. You know, I listened to record, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I still listen. Like one of the great things about
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  Speaker 2: like even walking to Starbucks or being at a whole
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  Speaker 2: food supermarket, you know, and you'll just hear like a
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  Speaker 2: song from like, you know, fifty years ago, like that
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  Speaker 2: would never like in your wildest dreams imagine like this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be like you know, in some mass
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  Speaker 2: mortgage store, and then you listen to it in a
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  Speaker 2: different way. And I've heard, you know, in the car
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I listen to the Little Stevens Underground garage, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I'll hear a record you know that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard a million times or maybe a hundred times.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe I thought, you know, it was it wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't like like a record like Marvin
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  Speaker 2: Gay One More One More Heartache, But I hear it
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  Speaker 2: when you're listening. It happened last weekend to me with
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  Speaker 2: sympathy for the devil, like me by the wrong. But
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: you just start to take it apart and then you
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  Speaker 2: realize what's really happening here, just as as the band,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: as the arranger, producer, whoever, but just like like this creativity.
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  Speaker 2: There's the creativity of the moment and then the larger
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  Speaker 2: creativety of the production. And it was just like, what
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  Speaker 2: a wonder and this is such an incredible record. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: That's happened to me a lot lately since I've gotten older.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just hear things that I haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: in a long time, and then I had heard a
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  Speaker 2: lot at one point, and then you listen to it
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  Speaker 2: differently and you just hear like how it really liked,
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  Speaker 2: how the sausage got made okay, and just kind of
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  Speaker 2: take it apart and you're listening and it's like, God,
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  Speaker 2: it's much. They're much more intricate than they sound, if
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  Speaker 2: you understand what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I mean I love it when an
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  Speaker 1: artist will sit there and say, yeah, I picked up
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  Speaker 1: this guitar riff about three years ago. We were riding
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  Speaker 1: on a bus and then we picked up on this
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  Speaker 1: this drum roll over here, because we saw somebody live
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  Speaker 1: in concert in Tupelo and you're sitting there realizing and
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  Speaker 1: a song just doesn't happen, that there's something that they
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  Speaker 1: had to take place along the way for them to
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  Speaker 1: even get an inspiration and then follow through and then
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  Speaker 1: take it to us. I love it and that and
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's what you're inspiring inside Tasty Cakes is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that you're giving me the chance to look
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  Speaker 1: beyond the lyrics. I love lyrics, but my god, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of action behind those lyrics.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just the whole thing together, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is the record, and that's what you know comes out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, however you access music now, but you know it,
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  Speaker 2: you know it, there's a process, even you know, going back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I like to Motown records going back to
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  Speaker 2: the sixties sound really simple in a sense, but when
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  Speaker 2: you really listen, there's so much going on, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and these guys were so gifted the band, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: it's just and the writing and it just is amazing
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: that you know, and it was just kind of and
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: you know, you could say that about the Beatles and whatever,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: but just that and it was just rolling out in
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: front one of us back then as kids.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Do you find yourself in a way handing the baton
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: forward to Chris James as well as lur When you
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  Speaker 1: write a book like this, you find yourself saying you
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  Speaker 1: are not going to believe where I've been. I'm letting
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  Speaker 1: you into my imagination. Please grow with it. You guys
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  Speaker 1: have been the greatest sunshine of my life.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Well they have been, you know. And Laurie, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is my second wife. My first wife had passed away
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: of the boy's mother. But you know, in one way,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like they're my inspiration now, you know. And they each
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: have their own careers and they like different music than
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I like when I was younger, and it's like and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: they find their way. You know. Do you have kids?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Do you have children? I do.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I have a forty eight year old daughter, a twenty
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: two year old granddaughter and a twenty year old grandson,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and man to watch them discovering all of this music
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: as R and B, the fifties, the sixties. I'm sitting
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: there going get out of my generation.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: But no I'm not.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, stay around. There are a lot of stories
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that you need to learn from. And yes, this book
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: will be a part of that step.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Well, music for kids now is just it's accessed so
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: differently than we access that when we were young, because
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: their filters are so different. It is, but it also
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is less, you know. I find for both of my
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: boys that music isn't like linear like they can like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a song from thirty years ago or my oldest son,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: who's you know, thirty three now, but you know it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: like hear it on a movie or a soundtrack. It
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: could be just you know, something like Jackie Brown, like
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the del Phonic Yes, and it doesn't matter because it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: just new to them, like all of it. You know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it's just like it doesn't matter if it's sixty eight
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: or eighty eight or you know new. I mean, it
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just is all kind of a flat plane. You know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I have both sons the same way.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, You've got to come back to this show anytime
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in the few because twenty minutes with your experience through
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: music is just not enough. And I want them to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: go to a website to where they can learn more
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: about you and everything about this book and what you're doing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to come to Charlotte.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: No, the door's open, dude. The door is open.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Wow, all right, thank you er.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Will you be brilliant today? Okay, sir, you too well.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And one thing before you take off, when you come
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: back to Charlotte here, you're gonna learn one thing about
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: what's happening to the city. They play live music and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: grocery stores now the bands and everybody are sorry, Yes
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: they do true. That is the God's honest truth. And
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: we have bars and wine bars inside our grocery stores.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Now, well there, I'm definitely coming.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Don't forget about thet don't forget about the laundry mets.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Oh no, well yeah, or the front.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It's just amazing where music is being played live now
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and there's no real corporate rules saying you can do it. No,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: we want you in there because people want that experience.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's great, man. I like that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing place to be and that's why we
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: need people like you, Joe, because you're giving us the history.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: We've got to have that history.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Dude. All right, I hear you, man.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You'd be brilliant today, okay, sir, all right, backed at
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you