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ARMED AND DANGEROUS: Crab Walking Double Killer "ON THE RUN WITH SAWED OFF .22" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen days and counting a double killer on the loose.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Daniello Cavalcante is on the run. With an
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Speaker 2: added twist, now he's got a gun. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: here at Fox Station at series XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 2: of all, take a listen to our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 3: State Police say escape murder of Danello Calvalcante is now armed.
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Speaker 4: They're pursuing him in a rural area of northern Chester County.
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Speaker 5: Action News has learned a homeowner in East Natmeil Township
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Speaker 5: shot at someone matching Cavalcante's description, prompting a flurry of
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Speaker 5: police responds. Late last night and into the morning hours.
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Speaker 6: A new sighting of convicted killer Daniello Cavalcante, police say
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Speaker 6: now has a weapon. Overnight, State police chasing the escape
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Speaker 6: convict in South Coventry Township, Pennsylvania, where police have told
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Speaker 6: residents to remain inside and locked doors and windows, saying
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Speaker 6: quote Cavalcante is armed with the weapon. Scanner audio appearing
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Speaker 6: to describe a sighting.
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Speaker 7: Hispanic now roughly thirty years of age, crying foot currently
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Speaker 7: shared in loop Hans subjects known to have a twenty
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Speaker 7: two cut off rifle with a scope in a flashlight.
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Speaker 3: And they're telling residents to keep their doors and their
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Speaker 3: windows locked as the search continues. Law enforcement has now
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Speaker 3: flooded the area in South Coventry Township looking for thirty
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Speaker 3: four year old Danello Cavalcante.
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Speaker 2: You could see the armored vehicle coming.
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Speaker 3: Up the street last night shortly after before two.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at ABC and NBCN Now for CBS listen.
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Speaker 8: A shelter in place order went out to community Kinchester
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Speaker 8: County in the last hour. Police are swarming an area
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Speaker 8: after a possible signing a short time ago of escape
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Speaker 8: prisoner Danello Cavalcante. Right now, residents are calling nine one
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Speaker 8: one saying they're hearing gunshots near French Creek Elementary School
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Speaker 8: on Coventryville Road. The manhunt for a couple of conte
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Speaker 8: is now in its twelfth day and major developments appear
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Speaker 8: to be unfolding at this very hour.
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Speaker 2: Now day thirteen, with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now? Why can't
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Speaker 2: we catch this double killer? Keep in mind, this guy
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Speaker 2: has already shot someone dead in Brazil, his native homeland.
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Speaker 2: He lives in the jungle for weeks before he makes
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Speaker 2: his way believe it or not, to Puerto Rico. But
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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico was not the prize. The prize was the
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Speaker 2: United States America, and he gets here as an illegal immigrant.
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Speaker 2: He gets in, finds a community that speaks Portuguese, and
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Speaker 2: shacks up with a woman, a girlfriend, until he murders her,
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Speaker 2: stabbing an alleged thirty eight times, killing her in front
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Speaker 2: of her two children. So we know this guy adopts
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Speaker 2: different mos modus operandi I'm metal operation, depending on the circumstances.
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Speaker 2: We know he can shoot to kill, and now he's
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Speaker 2: got a gun. All Star panel joining me. But first
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Speaker 2: to Eddie cadem with Fox twenty nine in Philly. Eddie,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How did this guy
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Speaker 2: get a gun hold on? I may know a little
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Speaker 2: bit about that. Take listen to our cut A.
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Speaker 9: Teams are currently being rotated out and replaced with fresh
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Speaker 9: teams aviation assets can.
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Speaker 10: I don't believe so, sir. I think at that point
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Speaker 10: he was being pushed by the teams that were pursuing
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Speaker 10: him from the original sighting. I think it was my
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Speaker 10: opinion I believe it was a crime of opportunity. I
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Speaker 10: think he went in there truck, probably trying to hide the.
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Speaker 11: Garage door was open.
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Speaker 10: He didn't, I believe, recognize is that the owner was
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Speaker 10: in there.
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Speaker 2: So he got in through a garage door. Eddie catuen
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Speaker 2: with me again and as to get a reporter Fox
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Speaker 2: twenty nine. Eddie, what's happening the garage door that Cavalcante
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Speaker 2: allegedly entered, Well, you know what, we know we entered
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Speaker 2: it and he got a gun and did I get
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Speaker 2: saw it off twenty two?
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Speaker 12: That's right, Nancy sawed off twenty two. It appears this
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Speaker 12: man in his eighties was in his garage. Caval Kante
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Speaker 12: walked up to him. Didn't know that the man in
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Speaker 12: the garage, the homeowner, had a pistol at least either
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Speaker 12: on him or close enough where he could grab it.
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Speaker 12: And that's when you hear those shots. We just hearted
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Speaker 12: those shots getting fired, shots getting fired. The homeowner started
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Speaker 12: firing at caval Kante. We do know that he didn't
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Speaker 12: hit him, but he did. I guess police were able
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Speaker 12: to find his sweatshirt and his shoes at the end
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Speaker 12: of the driveway when they got there.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, Eddie Cadum, the rest of us are mere mortals.
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Speaker 2: You got to back it up just a moment. Wait
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Speaker 2: a minute, I just had that. You remember when you
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Speaker 2: hear a big truck backing up here? The bee be beat.
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Speaker 2: I'm baping right now. I'm drinking out of the fire,
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Speaker 2: Haugiant with you too much at once? Just start again, Okay.
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Speaker 2: So he walks into a guy and on a guy
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Speaker 2: with the garage door open, the guy in his eighties.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't harm the guy.
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Speaker 12: What happens the homeowner, I guess, realizes who he is.
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Speaker 12: He goes to grab his twenty two rifle. Does grab it?
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Speaker 12: Cavalcante does. The homeowner then starts shooting at him. And
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Speaker 12: that's the shots that we're hearing. That's the shots that
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Speaker 12: were coming out and reports that were right near school districts.
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Speaker 12: Obviously with all of this going on, scaring people, and
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Speaker 12: he was shooting at Cavalcanti. Unfortunately terrible to say, I
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Speaker 12: guess it's not terrible to say anymore. But he didn't
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Speaker 12: hit him. He got away again. Now they have a
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Speaker 12: search area.
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Speaker 2: At this point, we how did Cavalcanti get the gun?
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Speaker 2: It was in the garage, so there were two guns
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Speaker 2: in the garage. The eighty year old realizes it's cavalcante
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Speaker 2: and grabs the gun and starts shooting, and somehow and
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Speaker 2: all that Calvalcanti gets a second gun.
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Speaker 12: That's what it sounds like from police chef.
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Speaker 2: Eddie Catum Fox twenty nine, are absolutely correct. Listen to
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Speaker 2: LA law enforcement right now.
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Speaker 10: He didn't, I believe, recognize that the owner was in there,
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Speaker 10: and I think he was probably looking for a place
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Speaker 10: to hide, ran for that garage, saw the firearm grab
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Speaker 10: that encountered the homeowner, and fled with the firearm.
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Speaker 2: So, Eddie Catum, Fox twenty nine, you're right, Calvalcanti was
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Speaker 2: not shot, because this morning there seems to be a
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Speaker 2: lot of confusion. Has he been hit or not? But
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Speaker 2: apparently no, he has not been hit. Guys again with
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Speaker 2: me an all star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 2: we know right now with me founder director of the
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Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum. You can find her
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Speaker 2: it coldcasecrimet Or and she's host of a Hitney series
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Speaker 2: Zone seven podcast. Cheryl, sounds like the guy was trying
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Speaker 2: to find a place to stay, and I don't like
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Speaker 2: the idea of him being out with the sawd off
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Speaker 2: twenty two.
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Speaker 13: That is a great concern.
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Speaker 14: But like we talked about yesterday, I.
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Speaker 13: Firmly believed he was going to do something overtly. He's
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Speaker 13: running out of options. I can tell you that garage
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Speaker 13: light was illuminated, so he knew he saw what he wanted.
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Speaker 13: He went all the way in and went for that weapon.
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Speaker 13: I don't think he was looking for a place to stay.
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Speaker 13: I'm going to tell you like I did yesterday, he
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Speaker 13: needs food, he needs clothes, he needs a weapon, he
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Speaker 13: needs a vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Okay, can we just analyze what you just said when
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Speaker 2: he saw the light in the garage, there was no
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Speaker 2: way unless he's telepathic, a clairvoyant Cheryl McCollum, that he
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Speaker 2: could know that there was a gun, a rifle of
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Speaker 2: some sort, leanda up against against the wall. So why
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Speaker 2: did he go in with me? An all star panel?
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to go now to IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector,
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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service International Investigations Chief Inspector DOJ. He's been
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Speaker 2: all over the world to boil it down looking for fugitives.
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Speaker 2: Author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone, and
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Speaker 2: Flying solo Top of the World on Amazon. Urn Brandt
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Speaker 2: seems to me like he's looking for a place to hide.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious about the fact that he leaves his sweatshirt
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Speaker 2: or shirt behind. Maybe it's because he knew he had
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Speaker 2: already been spotted in that sweatshirt, and we all know
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Speaker 2: he was wearing a green hoodie. But I think he
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Speaker 2: went in there for a place to hide out. It's
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Speaker 2: a garage, the lights on, then he sees twenty two
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Speaker 2: sawt off.
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Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy, it was. I believe it was a
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Speaker 11: target of opportunity. When he first went in there, like
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Speaker 11: you said, he was probably looking for either a place
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Speaker 11: to hide a vehicle to steal. Then when he saw
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Speaker 11: the weapon opportunity right there, went for the weapon, didn't
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Speaker 11: realize the homeowner was in the garage. The homeowner fired
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Speaker 11: at him, so he ran off. This is about the
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Speaker 11: worst case scenario, the type of the weapon that he got.
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Speaker 11: I told you yesterday, eventually he was going to get
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Speaker 11: his hands on.
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Speaker 2: A weapon, Yeah, you did say that.
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Speaker 11: Unfortunately, he got a hold of a rifle with a scope.
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Speaker 11: Now police believed that he is in a wooded area,
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Speaker 11: which is great. He's away from civilians in the area.
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Speaker 11: But the advantage is all his. Now it's going to
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Speaker 11: take a while. Reporters are going to be on the police.
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Speaker 11: Why is it taking so long? Why is it taking
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Speaker 11: so long? And it's because they have to move so
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Speaker 11: slowly because the advantage of his he's hiding, they're not.
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Speaker 11: He's going to see him coming. They can't see him.
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Speaker 11: He has a rifle with a scope. There is a
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Speaker 11: very high potential for law enforcements to take casualties. Now
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Speaker 11: they signed on for that job. They're going to do
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Speaker 11: their jobs, but they got to take every precaution in
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Speaker 11: hunting him down. This isn't going to end well.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Eddie Cadum joining US investigator Report of Fox twenty nine. Eddie,
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Speaker 2: if you can give me an estimate how far was
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Speaker 2: this garage where he got sought off from his last siding?
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Speaker 9: Not far?
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Speaker 2: And what do you mean by that? A mile? Two miles?
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Speaker 12: File two miles would be accurate. Yeah, and his last
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Speaker 12: sighting was near where the van was found, the van
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Speaker 12: that he had stolen from the dairy farm in Longwood
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Speaker 12: Gardens and drove I don't know. Fifteen twenty minutes away
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Speaker 12: from there and to the area where he was trying
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Speaker 12: to contact his relatives.
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Speaker 11: Over the weekend.
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Speaker 12: That are about relatives his former work associates going to
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Speaker 12: bring doorbell cameras talking to them on there. They did
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Speaker 12: not help him, but from my sources and everything I've
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Speaker 12: been hearing, he's been desperate looking for help. I was
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Speaker 12: also told by sources inside he potentially had a phone.
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Speaker 12: They tracked some calls from where that van was dumped
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Speaker 12: on Sunday, so he either had a phone or still
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Speaker 12: has a phone, So he could have potentially been seeing
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Speaker 12: news updates this entire time as well and looking at
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Speaker 12: his phone.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think he may have had a phone?
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Speaker 12: Sources inside inside the operation told.
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Speaker 2: Me that that he had a phone.
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Speaker 12: That there was phone calls made from where that van
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Speaker 12: was dumped, and it was in an area where they
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Speaker 12: don't believe other people would have been.
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Speaker 2: Wow, So that tells me and he either had a
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Speaker 2: phone on the inside of the jail where he escaped,
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Speaker 2: or he got one out of the vehicle that he
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Speaker 2: had stolen, the refrigerated van from the dairy farm.
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Speaker 12: Either he stole one or somebody's potentially helping him and
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Speaker 12: could have potentially gone and look them so a couple
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Speaker 12: of miles.
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Speaker 2: This tells me again, when you don't know what's going
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Speaker 2: to happen, you look at what has already happened. He's
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Speaker 2: already stolen one vehicle. I think that may have been
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Speaker 2: not just him going to the garage for some kind
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Speaker 2: of cover or to get access to the house for food.
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Speaker 2: I think he was trying to get a vehicle. I
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Speaker 2: think you guys are right. Guys, what more do we know?
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at six ABC.
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Speaker 3: The convicted murderer was first sponded last night within a
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Speaker 3: search perimeter in South Coventry Township.
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Speaker 2: Sources say he was seen in.
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Speaker 3: A field by air and when authorities got there, a
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Speaker 3: pair of shoes that are believed to be Cavil contes
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Speaker 3: were found. Shortly after, investigators received reports of shots being fired.
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Speaker 3: Action News is confirmed that a homeowner on the thirty
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Speaker 3: five hundred block of Coventry Road and E Snatmeil Township
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Speaker 3: shot at someone matching Cavalcanti's description. Please don't know if
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Speaker 3: Cavalcanti was hit what. Sources say he now has a
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Speaker 3: twenty two rifle. Residents and East Natmeil and South Coventry
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Speaker 3: townships are asked to lock all external doors and windows,
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Speaker 3: secure your vehicles, remain inside.
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Speaker 2: And more from crime Online.
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Speaker 4: The Reverse nine one one morning went out to residence
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Speaker 4: in Chester County and urged people to stay inside their homes.
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Speaker 4: This after the escape fugitive broke into a house and
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Speaker 4: stole a gun. Police say Daniello Cavalcanti is now armed
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Speaker 4: with a twenty two rifle. Law enforcement sources is tell
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Speaker 4: Fox twenty nine that the homeowner fired seven times at
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Speaker 4: the escape killer. It's not known if Cavalcanti was hit.
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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania State Police believe they have Kvalcanti's water logged and
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Speaker 4: muddy sneakers. They were found during the search of a
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Speaker 4: field Please say. A pair of boots were stolen from
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Speaker 4: the porch of the home. Cavalcanti's green hoodie was also recovered.
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Speaker 4: An updated description issued by Pennsylvania State Police describes Kvalcanti
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Speaker 4: as shirtless, wearing blue pants, carrying a twenty two cutoff
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Speaker 4: rifle with the ten round magazine anoscope.
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Speaker 2: Wow, with a mag and a scope. You were right
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Speaker 2: or brand joining us right now? You know him well.
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Speaker 2: He emerged in the forefront of the news during the
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Speaker 2: search for Brian Laundry, who, before killing himself, had murdered
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Speaker 2: girlfriend Gabby Petito. May he wrot in hell. Joining me
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Speaker 2: is so called Turtleman, given name Chris Adams. He is
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Speaker 2: a survival expert on Facebook. You can find him at
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Speaker 2: Wiregrass Ecological and Cultural Project on TikTok at Georgia. Turtleman
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Speaker 2: Chris Adams, thank you for being with us. You are
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Speaker 2: especially critical today because of your survival knowledge. This is
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Speaker 2: a guy that survived the Brazilian Jungles. He lived there
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Speaker 2: with no means. He didn't carry any food in with him,
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Speaker 2: no water in with him, but he lived. He survived
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Speaker 2: long enough to make an escape to Puerto Rico, where
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Speaker 2: he again had nothing and lived in the woods in
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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico such as they are and foraged like we
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Speaker 2: see him doing now, until he can make it to
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Speaker 2: the US. How is this guy Gonner survive? We know
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Speaker 2: he wants a car, Chris Adams. We know that, but
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a car, so he's going to pull
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Speaker 2: an Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bomber who lived for years
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Speaker 2: in the wild along the Appalachian Trail. How is he
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Speaker 2: going to do it.
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Speaker 15: Well, Let's first start off by saying this guy is
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Speaker 15: not Superman. Where he was at in Brazil and Puerto
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Speaker 15: Rico and able to forage in places that was elements
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Speaker 15: that he knew in the tropical world. You've thrown him
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Speaker 15: into an environment that's got difficult terrain. Now it's dipping
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Speaker 15: down into the fifties at night, warm during the day.
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Speaker 15: Police have said that he's probably moving during the night
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Speaker 15: time hours. If he is, he's worked working up the sweat.
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Speaker 15: He's working up his body heat. It doesn't take much
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Speaker 15: for your body's temperature drop and hypothermia set in. He's
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Speaker 15: running not like a scared animal. Scared animals don't take chances.
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Speaker 15: He's an opportunist, which is how he found the gun,
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Speaker 15: which is why he's looking for places to sleep in
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Speaker 15: people's car ports. You know, he's not thinking about it.
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Speaker 15: He's doing this haphazardly. So I don't think he's surviving
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Speaker 15: near as well as what people might think he is.
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Speaker 2: But you know, Chris Adams, from the last home that
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Speaker 2: he entered, and we learned this from looking at a
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Speaker 2: ring doorbell cam. He went in, he got food, fruit
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Speaker 2: and things to drink. He's getting food and sustenance somewhere.
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Speaker 2: So let me go back to your expertise. How are
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Speaker 2: you comparing the jungle there in Brazil, where he lived
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Speaker 2: for a period of time before making his way to
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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, the forestation in Puerto Rico two up in
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Speaker 2: the Pennsylvania area. Why are you saying that this is
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Speaker 2: more challenging for him. I mean, if somebody landed me
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Speaker 2: in the jungle in Brazil, I'd have a lot harder
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Speaker 2: time surviving than I would in the US, where I've
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Speaker 2: camped extensively. So explain to me your differentiation.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's like I told you when we went out
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Speaker 15: into ok Pinok that instance, if you were to throw
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Speaker 15: me in the middle of a swamp, that is my home,
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Speaker 15: and that's what I know, and I can survive there.
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Speaker 15: But vice versa. If you took me and threw me
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Speaker 15: in the middle of New York City, I know I
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Speaker 15: wouldn't make it. So this guy, he comes from a place,
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Speaker 15: he's very familiar with the woodlands, the forested areas of Brazil,
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Speaker 15: that tropical world. He's in a totally new environment here.
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Speaker 15: It's hilly, it's got creeks, it gets cooler at night.
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Speaker 15: You're not dealing with the same animals, You're not dealing
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Speaker 15: with the same plants. And yes, he may be capable
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Speaker 15: of surviving just as good as the next self proclaimed
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Speaker 15: wilderness Bible experts, but clearly he is utilizing human advantages
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Speaker 15: resources like vehicles and food stuff. He's not out there
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Speaker 15: foraging in the woods up there in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about something you said, and I think you're right.
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Speaker 2: Jackie's telling me the tempts are down to fifty eight.
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Speaker 2: Are you sure it's just fifty eight? Okay? Doctor Michelle
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Speaker 2: Dupree joining us a forensic pathologist, medical examiner, also former detective,
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Speaker 2: author of Money, Mischief and Murder. The Murdog sagon the
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Speaker 2: rest of the story, and you will recall doctor Dupre
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Speaker 2: on the forefront doing the Alex Murdog debacle. You can
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Speaker 2: find her a Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Doctor Dupre explained
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Speaker 2: to me what the turtleman Chris Adams was just saying
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Speaker 2: about hypothermia, because he was saying something about the body sweat,
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Speaker 2: the body temperature. But fifty eight is that low enough
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Speaker 2: to get hypothermia?
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Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, yes it can be, and it all depends
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Speaker 14: on the circumstances, and he is out there, he is
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Speaker 14: already you know, high energy. He's scared. This his substance
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Speaker 14: in his body, like cortisol with the fight or flight,
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Speaker 14: is going to kick in.
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Speaker 2: So yes, absolutely, Oh wait wait wait, I know he's scared.
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Speaker 2: I know he's on the run, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: what cortisol has to do with hypothermia. So you're going
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Speaker 2: to have to interpret for us non medical doctors, what
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Speaker 2: what does any of that have to do with hypothermia?
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Speaker 14: Well, your body is going to accelerate and become more
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Speaker 14: active internally as well as what he's doing externally, and
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Speaker 14: so that's going to cause temperature changes in the body.
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Speaker 14: And depending again on the circumstances, which would be the
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Speaker 14: temperature here, that's going to affect that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, got it? Dupri How long can you go without water?
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Speaker 2: How long can you go without food?
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Speaker 14: A body can only go about three days without water.
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Speaker 14: It can go much longer than that without food, but
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Speaker 14: not water.
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Speaker 2: And Chris Adams, so called turtle man survival expert, what
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Speaker 2: would happen if you drank out of a river or
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Speaker 2: a creek where he is in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 15: You can get all types of bacteria out of that
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Speaker 15: it can cause severe diarrhea and other physical ailments. And
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Speaker 15: in many cases where you're dealing with more urban areas,
20:17
Speaker 15: you're getting runoff that may come from sewage systems or
20:21
Speaker 15: just chemical runoff from nearby fields. There's a lot of
20:24
Speaker 15: farmland there.
20:25
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait for the chemicals to kill him,
20:29
Speaker 2: turtle man. I mean that's a long range thing I'm
20:34
Speaker 2: talking about right now. He needs How long did you say,
20:37
Speaker 2: doctor j Duprie? How long can he go without water?
20:39
Speaker 2: Two days?
20:40
Speaker 12: About three days?
20:41
Speaker 2: Three days? So Chris Adams, the chemicals from Philly aren't
20:46
Speaker 2: going to kill him in the next three days. So
20:50
Speaker 2: he can drink from streams and rivers.
20:52
Speaker 15: That he can. But it's those same streams and rivers
20:55
Speaker 15: that runoff inevitably gets into. There's no getting away from it.
21:00
Speaker 15: You're up on top of a mountain drinking from a
21:02
Speaker 15: Christine spring.
21:03
Speaker 2: Okay, got you, I understand. Matthew Mangino is former felony
21:09
Speaker 2: prosecutor the District Attorney in Pennsylvania, author of the Executioner's Toll,
21:16
Speaker 2: The Crimes or As Trials Appeals, Last Meal's Final Words
21:19
Speaker 2: and Executions of forty six persons in the US. I
21:23
Speaker 2: actually had to take a breath during that title. Matthew Mangino,
21:27
Speaker 2: what kind of terrain is this in? Eddie Catum, Jump in, man,
21:32
Speaker 2: this is not Tea at Windsor Castle. How many times
21:34
Speaker 2: do I have to tell you people that jump in?
21:36
Speaker 2: What's the terrain? I've got Jackie over here waving an
21:40
Speaker 2: almanac at me saying it's going to go down to
21:42
Speaker 2: fifty three. If that changes your opinion, Doctor Dupree, jump in, man, Gino, Nancy.
21:48
Speaker 16: I mean, this is this isn't Philadelphia, this is this
21:52
Speaker 16: is suburban Philadelphia. This is Chester County. There's a lot
21:55
Speaker 16: of rural areas in Chester County. There's a lot of
21:59
Speaker 16: fresh waters. You know, this is a guy. You know,
22:03
Speaker 16: we have to say he's a tough dude. I mean,
22:06
Speaker 16: he was in Brazil and you know, out in the sticks,
22:12
Speaker 16: you know, surviving. You know, he made his way to
22:15
Speaker 16: Puerto Rico, he made his way to the United States.
22:17
Speaker 16: He's been on the run for thirteen days. So this
22:19
Speaker 16: guy is no amateur, so to speak. I mean, he
22:22
Speaker 16: knows how to live off the land, he knows how
22:24
Speaker 16: to get around, and now that he's armed and very desperate.
22:29
Speaker 16: You know, I think this is an extremely dangerous situation
22:33
Speaker 16: for the people in that Chester County area and for
22:36
Speaker 16: the law enforcement who's trying to track him down.
22:38
Speaker 2: Now, Eddie Cadam, according to Matthew Mangino, the lawyer who
22:42
Speaker 2: spends a lot of his time in court saves to
22:46
Speaker 2: believe that there are a lot of fresh water streams
22:48
Speaker 2: where Calvialcante's on the run. Is that true?
22:51
Speaker 12: Fancy this area? I mean, me and my photographer were
22:54
Speaker 12: almost sadly joking as we've been driving around for the
22:57
Speaker 12: last almost two weeks now that this is almost a
23:02
Speaker 12: perfect place for somebody like this guy to hide out.
23:04
Speaker 12: There is communities surrounded by woods where there's farms, there's
23:08
Speaker 12: apple trees, there's berries, there's creeks, there's streams, there's areas
23:14
Speaker 12: where you can be in a heavily wooded area where
23:18
Speaker 12: you can only see trees and then there's just one house.
23:20
Speaker 12: So and when he first went missing, one of the
23:23
Speaker 12: big issues was it was Labor Day weekend, so a
23:26
Speaker 12: lot of people weren't home, So he was going into
23:29
Speaker 12: people's houses potentially when they weren't home, and they might
23:32
Speaker 12: not have been home, they might have been down the
23:33
Speaker 12: shore for a week or for a month, and that
23:36
Speaker 12: he could have gone into their house got some stuff.
23:38
Speaker 12: He did go into several houses get some stuff. So
23:41
Speaker 12: when he went into those houses, law enforcement hasn't been
23:44
Speaker 12: saying exactly what he was getting when he went into
23:46
Speaker 12: those houses. So he could have potentially raided a pantry
23:49
Speaker 12: when he was in a house, got food, got a
23:51
Speaker 12: bunch of water bottles. There's the potential for that.
23:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did he get that backpack? I've seen video
23:57
Speaker 2: off him with a backpack.
23:58
Speaker 12: On, and that was early as one or two days
24:01
Speaker 12: after he got out, so he got a backpack quickly.
24:04
Speaker 12: That was one of the first, I think the first
24:06
Speaker 12: sightings of him that came from one of the ring cameras.
24:09
Speaker 12: He had the backpack, so he's had that from the beginning.
24:13
Speaker 12: So's you have to take that from somewhere.
24:15
Speaker 2: I'm hearing doctor Bethany Marshall jumping in. Doctor Bethany is
24:19
Speaker 2: renowned psycho analyst joining us out of Beverly Hills at
24:22
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hey doctor Bethany, hold it.
24:26
Speaker 2: Hold your thought. You do that a lot better than
24:28
Speaker 2: I do. And I'm going to circle back to Chris Adams,
24:31
Speaker 2: joining US survival expert, what do you make of what
24:33
Speaker 2: you've just heard about the terrain, the fruit, trees, the
24:37
Speaker 2: fresh water.
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Speaker 15: Like I said, the dude is utilizing an urban environment.
24:42
Speaker 15: This guy's not drinking out of a creek or a
24:44
Speaker 15: stream or pond. He's going in somebody's backyard and drinking
24:47
Speaker 15: from a water hose. He's filling up a water bottle.
24:50
Speaker 15: He picked up them. We're in a ditch. He's utilizing
24:53
Speaker 15: urban environments for his survival. He may be hiding us
24:57
Speaker 15: on a heel, but he's coming and going in the night.
25:01
Speaker 2: You're telling me something I've never thought of, Chris Adams,
25:05
Speaker 2: utilizing the urban environment yet in a heavily wooded area.
25:11
Speaker 2: Explain that thinking it reminds me of the bears that
25:14
Speaker 2: you catch on video going to somebody's kitchen and they
25:17
Speaker 2: get food, then they leave. What do you mean utilizing
25:20
Speaker 2: an urban environment?
25:22
Speaker 15: Humans are no different than wildlife. In many cases, when
25:26
Speaker 15: they're pressured by authorities and chased by law enforcement, they're going.
25:31
Speaker 11: To go for what's easy.
25:32
Speaker 15: They're not going to chew out in existence in some
25:36
Speaker 15: wild place. They may utilize it for their concealment. But
25:40
Speaker 15: they're going to go find things of ease. They're going
25:42
Speaker 15: to hunt those canned foods in somebody's pantry. They're going
25:45
Speaker 15: to go in somebody's garage and take a backpack or
25:48
Speaker 15: a hammer or whatever tool they need. And in this case,
25:51
Speaker 15: it was a twenty two rifle with a scope.
25:53
Speaker 2: Cheryl, Why did you get rid of his shoes.
25:55
Speaker 14: Because he stole boots. He has brand new solid footwear.
26:00
Speaker 13: Nail to continue what he's doing. Listen, we are day thirteen.
26:06
Speaker 13: Why has he stayed in the area even when he
26:09
Speaker 13: stole a van, he stayed there. He stayed there.
26:13
Speaker 2: Well, we think he was running out of gas in
26:15
Speaker 2: that dairy van, that refrigerated van, and plays get real
26:18
Speaker 2: like that's not a moving target, a refrigerated dairy van.
26:23
Speaker 2: But actually he did manage to break the perimeter. Even
26:26
Speaker 2: ding driving a refrigerated dairy van. He still got away.
26:31
Speaker 12: So I've got some info on that too.
26:34
Speaker 2: There was this Eddie Yeah, this is Eddie yeah ohead.
26:36
Speaker 12: On Sunday talking to my sources, there was a three
26:40
Speaker 12: hour gap, which was really crucial in all this, from
26:43
Speaker 12: where they believe the van was left to where the
26:47
Speaker 12: van was found. So three hours is a long time
26:50
Speaker 12: for somebody when it's twenty miles away from where you
26:53
Speaker 12: thought he was prior to now set up a new
26:58
Speaker 12: search perimeter. So that really put kind of a wedge
27:03
Speaker 12: in all of the plans, I feel like for law enforcement.
27:06
Speaker 12: So that was Sunday. But now fast forward to last
27:10
Speaker 12: night and now today with these positive sightings. What I
27:14
Speaker 12: was hearing from the sources too, was that they thought
27:16
Speaker 12: he was gone on Sunday night, Sunday night before my
27:19
Speaker 12: live shot. I'm here if he got in that three
27:22
Speaker 12: hour window. Now it's been thirteen hours and we haven't
27:24
Speaker 12: had a positive sighting, this guy could be in Florida
27:27
Speaker 12: by now. I'm glad that's not the case. That's what
27:30
Speaker 12: I thought it was. But I'm glad that is about
27:32
Speaker 12: the case. Obviously.
27:33
Speaker 2: Could you one more time explain to us the three
27:36
Speaker 2: hour gap and why you find that significant, Eddie, Yeah,
27:38
Speaker 2: no problem.
27:39
Speaker 12: So they the way they knew that he had the
27:43
Speaker 12: van was from the ring camera footage. They found out
27:47
Speaker 12: that he had a van, So now he's mobile.
27:49
Speaker 2: Right rain camera footage from where he.
27:51
Speaker 12: Went to some former associated work associates, I guess from
27:54
Speaker 12: a long time ago, and when he went there, and
27:57
Speaker 12: was pleading with them to help him, and they didn't
27:59
Speaker 12: help him when they realized he had the van. So
28:01
Speaker 12: from there they knew that they had a bolo out
28:04
Speaker 12: for the van. Right now, the search is on for
28:06
Speaker 12: the van. They get the van to hopefully get him.
28:08
Speaker 12: The problem is they find the van at seven am.
28:11
Speaker 12: This is hours after he was in Phoenixville going to
28:14
Speaker 12: these people's houses. Once they find the van, it's been
28:18
Speaker 12: three hours from when they believed it was dumped. So
28:22
Speaker 12: he's on foot or there was some people saying potentially
28:26
Speaker 12: he got picked up, but I don't believe that's the
28:29
Speaker 12: case now because he stayed in the area unless by
28:32
Speaker 12: all indications he isn't a very dumb criminal.
28:35
Speaker 2: So basically, he had three hours to do whatever he wanted,
28:39
Speaker 2: and he had a vehicle. Okay. Also, Jackie the note
28:44
Speaker 2: regarding his shoes.
28:46
Speaker 3: His shoes got wet and muddy, and if you listened
28:50
Speaker 3: from the other report, a helicopter spotted him in the field.
28:53
Speaker 2: He had taken his shoes off.
28:55
Speaker 3: The helicopter spotted him and he.
28:57
Speaker 2: Took off, So he took off bearfoot. He would have
28:59
Speaker 2: had to. He didn't have shoes at that point. Why
29:01
Speaker 2: would he have done that Chris Adams.
29:03
Speaker 15: Well, I'm around off of what Eddie said. He's a
29:05
Speaker 15: dumb criminal, but he's a basic survivalist. At least he
29:09
Speaker 15: has the basic skill set to survive. But what moron
29:13
Speaker 15: runs off without shoes and it's going to drop temperature
29:16
Speaker 15: at night?
29:16
Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, what about this? They caught him
29:19
Speaker 2: in an aerial helicopter and he is taking his shoes off.
29:23
Speaker 2: What could he do but run? Okay? Joining me right
29:25
Speaker 2: now is renown psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall. With all of
29:29
Speaker 2: this knowledge, doctor Bethany, what do you think?
29:32
Speaker 17: Well, I think we have to remember that the mode
29:35
Speaker 17: of homicide, which is that he stabbed his girlfriend, was
29:38
Speaker 17: at thirty seven times in front of.
29:39
Speaker 2: Her chol thirty eight times.
29:41
Speaker 17: Thirty eight times. So this tells me that he has
29:45
Speaker 17: enormous amounts of energy and he's very impulsive. So everyone's
29:49
Speaker 17: saying dumb criminal, I'm saying impulsive criminal. I mean he
29:53
Speaker 17: went through an open garage door.
29:56
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's dumb. I just want to tell you,
29:58
Speaker 2: I don't think this guy's He's managed to get away
30:01
Speaker 2: from Brazil, live in the jungles, come to Puerto Rico.
30:05
Speaker 12: Survive there, and I said, I think he's not a
30:07
Speaker 12: dumb criminal.
30:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, I thought that's what you said. But
30:11
Speaker 2: this guy is anything but dumb. Go go ahead.
30:14
Speaker 17: But so, rage combined with impulsivity raises a person's potential
30:20
Speaker 17: for homicide or suicide. That's one of the things we
30:22
Speaker 17: know in my field. So because they're not thinking very clearly.
30:26
Speaker 17: So he ran into a garage with an open door,
30:29
Speaker 17: and I'm very curious about that. When the garage door
30:32
Speaker 17: was opened with the light.
30:33
Speaker 13: On or off?
30:33
Speaker 2: Eddie, I think it was on, wasn't it.
30:35
Speaker 12: Somebody was saying earlier that it was on.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
30:37
Speaker 17: Why run through an open garage door with the light on.
30:39
Speaker 17: I mean, obviously he can see what's inside, But that's
30:42
Speaker 17: very impulsive to me. He could have hit out, he
30:44
Speaker 17: could have waited till.
30:45
Speaker 2: The guy well, we know he did not think anyone
30:49
Speaker 2: was in the garage. He was surprised when the homeowner
30:52
Speaker 2: popped out and had a weapon, and he took off
30:57
Speaker 2: when the homeowner started firing at him. Right, I think
31:01
Speaker 2: he's stalking neighborhoods to find a way in and he
31:04
Speaker 2: sees the garage door opened.
31:06
Speaker 15: I will say that impulse leads to a lack of
31:09
Speaker 15: caution when it comes to things. He is not at
31:12
Speaker 15: all being cautious in this case, and that raises his.
31:15
Speaker 17: Legality for the neighborhoods he's in, you know, because he's
31:18
Speaker 17: in this smash a window, he's going to grab something
31:20
Speaker 17: from somebody. This guy is not thinking very far into
31:23
Speaker 17: the future. He does not have cause and effect thinking.
31:25
Speaker 17: He is just in the moment, and that's what makes
31:29
Speaker 17: him so scary. And so if I were people in
31:32
Speaker 17: this neighborhood, I'd be pretty frightened and wanting to batten
31:34
Speaker 17: down the hatchet.
31:48
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
31:55
Speaker 2: Okay, question regarding the sowd off. Sawing off the barrel
31:59
Speaker 2: reduces thevelocity, but it makes the sawed off much easier
32:05
Speaker 2: to handle and to conceal. And I believe he still
32:10
Speaker 2: has a backpack. A twenty two sawed off will absolutely
32:15
Speaker 2: fit in that backpack. Eddie Kadam, Is he's still carrying
32:19
Speaker 2: the backpack?
32:20
Speaker 15: That is a good question.
32:22
Speaker 12: I am not sure. In the last sightings he had
32:26
Speaker 12: he didn't have it on him in the hoodie.
32:28
Speaker 2: What's his last description, Eddie Katum, Is he wearing a shirt.
32:33
Speaker 2: Has he changed pants?
32:35
Speaker 12: No shirt, pants, And obviously he's clean shaven now when
32:42
Speaker 12: he had broken out, he had a beard and things
32:44
Speaker 12: like that. But those images are all over the place.
32:47
Speaker 12: We've got him on Fox STU and either they're everywhere,
32:49
Speaker 12: but these images are from Sunday, so two days ago now.
32:54
Speaker 12: But that green hoodie, don't be looking for that anymore.
32:57
Speaker 12: And because that was dumped at at the bottom of
32:59
Speaker 12: the of the driveway, so and something that we haven't
33:03
Speaker 12: touched on yet. This is an important fact though, and
33:07
Speaker 12: it's been something they've been mentioning a lot. He is
33:09
Speaker 12: a very small man. He's five foot one and twenty pounds,
33:13
Speaker 12: so he'll stick out physically, if that makes sense.
33:17
Speaker 2: Interesting he knows to discard clothing that we have already identified. Guys,
33:24
Speaker 2: take a listen our cut forty four. This is Lieutenant
33:26
Speaker 2: Colonel George Bivens.
33:28
Speaker 9: I'd like to address a message to anyone who may
33:30
Speaker 9: have already offered assistance or is contemplating assisting Cavalcante in
33:35
Speaker 9: any way. We will prosecute you fully for those actions. Alternatively,
33:42
Speaker 9: I would suggest that you are in a position to
33:44
Speaker 9: help facilitate the safe capture of Cavalcante. If you choose
33:49
Speaker 9: to assist us, you could be eligible for some or
33:52
Speaker 9: all of the reward that has been offered for Cavalcante's capture.
33:58
Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, I'm announcing today that Chester
34:01
Speaker 9: County has increased the amount of reward they are offering
34:04
Speaker 9: by another five thousand dollars. That brings the total reward
34:09
Speaker 9: offered up to twenty five thousand dollars for information that
34:13
Speaker 9: leads to the capture of Cavalcante.
34:15
Speaker 2: Do we believe that people are actually helping him? First
34:20
Speaker 2: comes to mind the sister, the sister that was detained
34:24
Speaker 2: by Ice.
34:25
Speaker 18: Listen, the sister is an overstay and she chose not
34:29
Speaker 18: to not to assist, and because of being in an
34:34
Speaker 18: overstay status, she has been entered into a deportation proceeding
34:38
Speaker 18: and is being detained at this time.
34:40
Speaker 11: She has not assisted.
34:42
Speaker 9: I'm cautioning people preemptively, and yes, we are monitoring. We're
34:49
Speaker 9: monitoring for any possible help in a variety of ways.
34:52
Speaker 18: And so what I would tell you.
34:54
Speaker 9: Is that if we detect assistance, that will be prosecuted.
34:58
Speaker 2: Does that mean they have his cell phone number? That
35:01
Speaker 2: would not be hard to obtain if he has called
35:04
Speaker 2: people for help. But Cheryl McCollum, are we getting the truth?
35:08
Speaker 2: Did she help and they're covering the fact up or
35:12
Speaker 2: did she not help Nancy?
35:14
Speaker 13: There's only one reason he has stayed in that area,
35:17
Speaker 13: either because somebody was helping him or fixing to try
35:20
Speaker 13: to get some things together to help him. He believed that,
35:24
Speaker 13: or he would be ghosts from that area.
35:26
Speaker 7: He would have.
35:27
Speaker 13: Taken that van and driven fifty miles, stolen another car,
35:30
Speaker 13: driven one hundred miles, stolen another car. Herv Brandt knows
35:34
Speaker 13: what I'm talking about. By him staying in that perimeter,
35:37
Speaker 13: he either believed somebody's going to give him money, new ideas,
35:41
Speaker 13: or some type of help. I firmly believe, like I
35:44
Speaker 13: said yesterday, when she was picked up, he had no
35:48
Speaker 13: choice but to now do something overt get a weapon,
35:52
Speaker 13: get a hostage, to get a vehicle. That's what you're
35:55
Speaker 13: going to see next if they don't find him.
35:57
Speaker 2: IRV Brandt predict surel marks truth.
36:01
Speaker 11: He's living in the moment. He's his plans are changing
36:07
Speaker 11: by the second, and now he's based with very limited options.
36:14
Speaker 11: The options being hidden in the woods to wait for
36:18
Speaker 11: the hunt dogs to sniff them out, which eventually they
36:22
Speaker 11: will and fight it out with the police, or he's
36:26
Speaker 11: going to which sadly, I fear this is the gonna happen.
36:33
Speaker 11: It's going to be a home invasion, it's going to
36:35
Speaker 11: be a hostage situation. It's going to be a barricaded gunman,
36:39
Speaker 11: and we all know how that's going to end.
36:42
Speaker 2: Matthew men Gino, I part he's going to get a car,
36:46
Speaker 2: and it may be by entering someone's home in order
36:50
Speaker 2: to get the keys, unless he knows how to hot
36:51
Speaker 2: wire it. But I think that's his next move based
36:54
Speaker 2: on what we've already seen, and.
36:56
Speaker 12: I think too with as far as how and things
37:00
Speaker 12: like that, the investigators have been keeping it very close
37:04
Speaker 12: to the vest whether or not people have been helping
37:06
Speaker 12: him or not. They haven't been saying they Every time
37:09
Speaker 12: the question is asked. The responses were not revealing that
37:13
Speaker 12: part of the investigation. And I think the speaker before
37:19
Speaker 12: me saying that the reason he did stick around is
37:21
Speaker 12: because he thinks he can get help is probably spot on, honestly,
37:26
Speaker 12: and I don't think he's getting it. That's what law
37:28
Speaker 12: enforcement has been saying, is he's been looking for help.
37:30
Speaker 12: He's been going to these former coworkers who they say
37:32
Speaker 12: barely do him, we're not even that friendly with him,
37:36
Speaker 12: and going to their house expecting them to help him
37:39
Speaker 12: and they're saying no, and they're reaching out to police,
37:42
Speaker 12: and so I think he's trying to build a network.
37:47
Speaker 12: But honestly, what does this guy have to offer you
37:50
Speaker 12: other than getting you arrested or.
37:52
Speaker 2: Well, if you're looking down the wrong end of a
37:54
Speaker 2: twenty two thought off, I think he can offer you
37:57
Speaker 2: live for death. So that's something to keep in mind,
38:00
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany.
38:00
Speaker 17: I think he had less so that he has a
38:03
Speaker 17: person there, and more that he has a supply of something,
38:05
Speaker 17: like he's found a window he can get into, a
38:08
Speaker 17: home he can get access to. Remember, this is the
38:10
Speaker 17: survival instinct is stronger than any other instinct. We have
38:15
Speaker 17: the instinct to live, the instinct to get away from danger,
38:19
Speaker 17: the instinct towards self preservation. And that drove the desperation
38:24
Speaker 17: to get to the old colleague who he imagined would
38:27
Speaker 17: help him. But also I think he probably has a
38:30
Speaker 17: source somewhere where it's easy. It's like low hanging fruit
38:33
Speaker 17: in terms of getting supplies. But that's going to be
38:36
Speaker 17: short lived because somebody is going to be coming back
38:38
Speaker 17: from a vacation, or he's going to be discovered and
38:40
Speaker 17: then he'll be on the run again.
38:42
Speaker 14: Doctor d Free Well, yes, I agree with what others
38:45
Speaker 14: that say this is going to end in a bad situation.
38:47
Speaker 14: He is likely going to go into a home invasion
38:50
Speaker 14: and because he has no choice, he has nothing to
38:52
Speaker 14: lose at this point, So it's just not going to
38:55
Speaker 14: turn out well.
38:56
Speaker 15: And to you, Chris Adams, I have to agree and
38:59
Speaker 15: I'm standing firm in my opinion that we're giving this
39:02
Speaker 15: man too much credit as being intelligent. He is acting
39:06
Speaker 15: out of nothing more than desperation. Is staying in this
39:09
Speaker 15: area because he's familiar with the opportunity there. He's not
39:13
Speaker 15: going to go elsewhere and just throwing caution into the wind.
39:17
Speaker 15: He's about to start slipping up more and more. And
39:20
Speaker 15: I do believe that. I mean, we're probably closer to
39:23
Speaker 15: apprehending the guy than we were two days ago.
39:26
Speaker 2: I only hope it happens without more deaths Eddie cade
39:30
Speaker 2: Of joining US investigative reporter Fox twenty nine. If he
39:33
Speaker 2: gets a vehicle, which is what I think his next
39:37
Speaker 2: move is going to be. I think that's why he
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Speaker 2: went into a car garage to get a car. Where
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Speaker 2: would he head? He seems to be going north.
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Speaker 12: That is a good question. He has obviously had some
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Speaker 12: family here, he has ties here that might be potentially
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Speaker 12: why he hasn't left the area. And when I say here,
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Speaker 12: I mean Phoenixville area, which is half an hour forty
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Speaker 12: five minutes away from Philadelphia, north of Philadelphia. So he's
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Speaker 12: been floating around that area and the fact that he
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Speaker 12: hasn't left is concerning, but also I guess encouraging. I
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Speaker 12: want to say, because it looks like he could have
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Speaker 12: you know, it looks like he could when he.
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Speaker 2: Had that van.
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Speaker 12: He had the potential to even get out of Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 12: but he didn't. So at least they know a general area.
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Speaker 12: They said two miles and three miles north or eastern,
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Speaker 12: three miles east and west. Two miles north and south
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Speaker 12: is where they think he is right now.
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Speaker 2: There is a twenty five thousand dollars reward. Goodbye friend.
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Speaker 9: You