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#159 - What Does Joe Rogan Really Believe? I Shutter To Think · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  What does Joe Rogan really believe? I shudder to think.
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  We're going to take a look at this. He just had a sit down with Roman Jompolsky
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  on his podcast yesterday. It was released yesterday.
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  They went into a lot of things. Roman believes that we are in a simulation and
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  Joe always is like, I'm going to throw up my hands.
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  Okay, we're in a simulation. That's what it is. That's the fallback.
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  But what does Joe really believe?
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  I want you to picture this. Joe Rogan is Leonardo DiCaprio on Shutter Island.
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  And he's in this world that he's just, he doesn't know how he got here.
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  He doesn't know what's going on.
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  And he's like, it's that famous scene where he's like, what the F is going on
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  here? That's how I see Joe right now.
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  Is he coming around to becoming a Christian?
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  You know, this, that's the direction I'm going with this because I,
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  we've heard news of him going to church and kind of exploring that avenue of faith.
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  Where is he at with all this? And this viewpoint of Shutter Island,
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  this could give us a good glimpse into where Joe is at.
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  If we take a step back as the audience and we're just looking at this,
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  if the version that Joe has set up, he's the Leonardo DiCaprio,
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  the patient on this island, would it be as exciting if that crazy story was happening?
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  Or is it the second time that you watch Shutter Island and you see what was actually going on?
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  Might not be as thrilling, but it's also fun to watch.
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  All right, we're gonna take a look at a few clips from Joe's sit down with Roman,
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  and let's just dive into it.
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  All right, so Roman, he seems like a smart guy, but we're gonna take a.
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  When the topic of Jesus is brought up, and it could be the real deal,
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  And we're going to see what Roman has to say about that in this first clip.
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  Yeah. With simulation, what's interesting, it's not just the last couple of
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  years and we got computers.
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  If you look at religions, world religions, and you strip away all the local
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  culture, like take Saturday off, take Sunday off, donate this animal, donate that animal.
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  What they all agree on is that there is super intelligence, which created a
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  fake world. And this is a test.
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  Do this or that. They describing, like if you went to Jungle and told Primitive
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  Tribe about my paper and simulation theory, that's what they would know three generations later.
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  Like God, religion, that's what they got out of it.
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  But they don't think it's a fake world.
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  Made world. A physical world is a...
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  Joe immediately pushes back. They don't think it's a fake world.
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  As a Christian, we don't think it's a fake world.
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  But Roman has this idea that it's all a simulation, so it would be fake if this
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  was what has been fed to us. This is what's been fed to us.
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  Subset of a real world which is non-physical, right? That's the standard Christian.
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  Right, so this physical world being created by God. Yeah. Right.
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  But what existed before the physical world created by God?
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  Ideas, just information. Just God. God was bored.
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  Okay, so this is where it always goes. Joe's asked so many questions.
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  I think he is being influenced kind of by Christian teaching or because he sees
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  that that seems like the only true light.
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  But he has this show where he talks about everything,
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  and it's like if you just embrace, if he fully jumps in and embraces Christ,
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  would his show become the second time of watching Shutter Island?
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  Because you know the plot, you know the story. There's no more fun.
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  What's going on? What's happening?
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  This is kind of crazy. I think there's a lot of nutty things happening,
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  but rather the punchline has been given.
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  Leonardo DiCaprio is the crazy guy in the movie, and we see that everybody else,
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  the real world happened around him is a little bit more boring,
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  is a little bit not as, it's not as fun.
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  It doesn't seem as exciting, and I think that that's
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  what is maybe holding Joe back from
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  fully jumping in because it's like which is
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  a weird deal to think that Jesus and the
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  Bible and if that crazy mythological world that is presented to us and just
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  passed down to us if that is the real deal that becomes the boring plot line
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  that becomes like because we are so just just saturated in it we all that's
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  all we have been just fed our whole lives.
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  We know this Judeo-Christian Western culture that we've grown up in,
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  that our whole morality is based on, our government is founded on, and it's like.
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  That that is the weird, boring thing.
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  And we have to embrace all these other things, all these other possibilities
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  that are out there. All these possibilities are out there.
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  Would that like immediately pull the plug and just make it all like,
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  what would Joe's show become?
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  Would he become like just an evangelist for Christ?
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  If he took on Jesus and he said, yeah, that's the deal.
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  There's nothing else really, I think, that is out there that it's just Jesus
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  and that's it. where would his audience go? Where would the reach go?
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  Because I think what makes Joe so fun to watch is that he's open to everything.
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  And I don't think as a Christian, you need to be closed-minded,
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  but it's like, once you find the truth, the burning light, it's like,
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  how do you go back to something that is just fluff and nonsense and all this?
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  And that's the stark reality, the contrast that we're given.
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  I don't want to be a person that is just like beating somebody over the head
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  with the Bible or anything like that, but it's like two truths.
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  It can't be true and false at the same time. It can't be, it's either true or it's not.
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  And this Roman Paul, I always have to like redouble take his name.
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  Jampalski is, he's, he's, he's fully bought in on this simulation theory,
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  which I mean, simulation theory, Christian worldview, you?
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  Like, is there much of a difference practically?
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  Not really practically, but fundamentally at the core of what is really going
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  on, there is a huge difference that there haven't been multiverses and billions
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  and billions of multiverses out there.
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  There is one reality that we all are just thrust into that is happening that we're experiencing.
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  But this, this simulation theory is just like, it becomes just an escape hatch,
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  an escape lever that you can just try to make sense of something that the Christian
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  worldview is just presenting to everybody that we're all in it.
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  But it's like, it, it doesn't scratch every itch that we might get.
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  And then to take into account that we have all these things flying around us that are unseen.
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  And then these things that are just compelling us to go in all these different directions.
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  Inside of us, we have these things that we don't know what we want.
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  We don't know why we're here. We don't know what's going on.
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  We are just every day just going through it, going through the motions.
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  And it's like the simulation theory almost gives us like a little, a breath of fresh air.
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  Nobody really knows what's going on. And that, because it's like,
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  when we buy into like, if the, like the Bible is either true or it's not.
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  And I know it's like, it's a 66 different books of the 66 different books.
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  And it's like, there's so much going on there, but Jesus believed in it.
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  Jesus accepted the Bible, the old, what we call the old Testament,
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  the Hebrew scriptures, you know, the, the new hadn't been written yet that happened after his life.
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  But this is what I'm all, I'm just puzzled by with the shutter Island.
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  Like he, cause is it going to become boring if just, if Joe just jumps in,
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  just face forward, just dives in, you know, is that what, is that,
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  is that something that like, could he have already.
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  Grasped a hold of Jesus?
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  He, he's a believer he's fully in, but outwardly he's still,
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  what are all these possibilities?
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  What are all these other things? What could, what could explain this?
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  Because something is holding him back and it might not be where he's just,
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  he fully doesn't really believe it yet, or something else is going on.
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  But I want to continue because this is very interesting.
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  It was like, let's give some, make some animals that can think and solve problems.
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  And for what reason? I think to create God.
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  This is what I worry about. I worry about that's really the nature of the universe itself,
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  that is actually created by human beings, creating this infinitely intelligent
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  thing that can essentially harness all of the available energy and power of
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  the universe and create anything it wants, that it is God.
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  That is like, you know, this whole idea of Jesus coming back.
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  Well, maybe it's real.
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  Maybe we just completely misinterpreted these ancient scrolls and texts.
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  And what it really means is that we are going to give birth to this and a virgin
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  birth at that. You can hear it in his voice.
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  And what I think Joe really believes, I don't think he is fully there yet.
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  I don't think he has fully and.
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  Like, because unless he's like talking other ways off camera to his wife,
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  to his family, you know, and when he's out there and because like,
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  once you go Jesus, you don't go back.
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  Once you see it, it is this matrix view of reality. It's like,
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  it becomes a little bit like a little more bleak and you see kind of the truth, the real world.
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  And there's not as much glitz and glamor and a possibilities out there for what
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  we have been what God has given us.
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  He's given us everything that we need to know at this time.
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  There's so much like we are like a little seed. We're like a little seed that's
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  going to die, be buried, and then going to something's going to come out of
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  the ground. Something's going to come out of the ground.
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  And then we are going to jump into this reality that we're all just kind of
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  just just grasping at right now, trying to figure it out.
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  And it's like, is Joe, is he holding back.
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  I want to, I want him to like, just say that because he's, he's going to church now.
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  He's, he's obviously interested in it.
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  He's thinking something's going on that it seems like the most likely outcome,
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  but do I have to like, just squelch all these other fun things that are out there?
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  I don't think you got to, I don't think you have to, but it is the difference
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  between the shutter island as in like, is it going to just eliminate the excitement.
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  Eliminate the open-mindedness?
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  When it's like, if Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life,
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  no one comes to the Father but by me, is that either true or it's not?
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  You know, is it like, and I would say you can't have it be true and false at
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  the same time. It can't be your truth and then my truth is something different.
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  No matter how much you want to kind of like flesh that out, it's never going
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  to suffice and satisfy what we know the nature of reality is.
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  But I want to move on to a other part of this video that was pretty interesting as well.
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  Okay, this is where they talk about, Joe brings up the guy with the biggest IQ in the world.
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  Believes in Jesus or says that Jesus is the truth. I want to jump over to this.
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  Someone who can invent new physics. Right. Right. And you know,
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  the person who has the largest IQ, the largest, at least registered IQ in the
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  world is this gentleman who recently posted on Twitter about Jesus,
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  that he believes Jesus is real.
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  Do you know who this is? I saw that. Okay.
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  Joe just floats that out there. He just puts that out there into Roman's kind of lap.
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  What's Roman going to do with it? What's he going to do with it?
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  Like I said, the simulation theory, that's a good thing to fall back on.
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  I mean, we can all throw up our arms and say it's a simulation when we kind
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  of want to just check out.
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  We don't really want to be confronted with, because the thing about Christianity
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  and any religion is it puts in your face that something, you got to make a decision.
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  There are something, we're going to be held accountable kind of thing, you know?
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  And it's like, we're all good with being, some people being held accountable
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  when people do terrible things out there.
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  And you're like, that can give you kind of a little piece that Hitler didn't
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  just go to his deathbed and the loving arms of his mistress or whatever you
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  always hear, or that he's going to face some consequence. And we're good with that.
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  I think what always holds us back is we don't want to be confronted with that
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  we ourselves have to make decisions.
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  We have to actually change how we are living.
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  We have to change what we're living for.
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  And what's the point of all this? I think we all want to go our own way.
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  We want to be masters of our own domain, masters of our own world.
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  We want to be the gods in our own life.
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  We want to be the center stage as opposed to if the whole deal about Christianity
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  is true, Jesus is the center stage.
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  He's the lead actor. He's the main point of the story. He's the protagonist, you know?
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  Satan's the antagonist. We're just kind of along for the ride kind of thing,
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  but we got to give space to him.
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  And it's like, throw off everything and jump on board to Christ.
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  And that's tough to do. That's extremely tough to do.
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  It's not as appealing to anybody and to everybody, but it is funny.
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  Like, so say Roman's theory of like, just he says it so confidently.
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  And like I'm saying so confidently about Jesus is the truth.
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  The simulation theory is he's saying all these things are just happening.
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  We're all just living in this kind of, some people are NPCs.
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  Some people are just have consciousness.
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  Other people are just floating around and just not really there.
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  And we're all just in a computer simulation, which I mean, it doesn't change.
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  Like I said, practically, it doesn't change much for even, even from my view,
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  because it says like we, when we believe in Christ, we are at that point,
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  like our spirits are raised. We are seated.
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  We are seated with him in the heavenly realms. Like our soul is like with Christ.
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  That's like the mystery and the mystical nature of the gospel is that we actually
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  get united to this figure, this man that lived 2000 years ago.
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  We are like in Christ. He is in us. And it's kind of this mystical union that's
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  happening, which I mean, like if he's outside of our space and time right now,
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  and it says that we're raised with him, like we are united with him now.
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  You could see that as like, like right now we're in the game.
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  Were in the game experiencing just these levels that were just trying to get
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  through, these checkpoints that were just blown past and just trying to figure things out.
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  We run into some NPCs along the way, but it doesn't change much fundamentally
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  from a Christian perspective, from that viewpoint.
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  It fits the same and it feels the same, but I want to continue because he says
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  the guy with the highest IQ in the world, Joe just throws that out there.
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  He just brings that up, which is interesting in itself that he's going that
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  way, almost like to kind of give a little credibility to believe in Jesus.
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  Like if the smartest guy in the world is saying Jesus is the real deal,
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  I mean, it's not just for the foolish people.
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  The unmature people, immature, unmature people that are out there that believe
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  in Jesus and the people that have a bigger brain like Einstein's and all those,
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  they're the ones that are the smarter ones and they don't believe in that nonsense.
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  Joe throws it out there that the smartest guy in the world believes in Jesus.
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  The post. You see that post? I saw the post. What did you think about that?
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  I felt like this was. I think we don't know how to measure IQs outside of standard range.
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  Anything above 150, they create customized tests, which like four people in the world can take.
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  We just don't have. It's a normalized test to average human,
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  average Western American, whatever.
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  And so we just don't have the expertise. So someone very super intelligent in
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  test taking can score really well.
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  But if you look at Mensa as a group, they don't usually have amazing accomplishments.
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  They're very kind of cool people, but they are not Nobel Prize winners,
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  majority of them. Exactly.
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  I was going to bring that up. That's what's fascinating to me.
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  There's a lot of people that are in Mensa.
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  They want to tell you how smart they are by being in Mensa, but your life is kind of bullshit.
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  Your life's a mess. Like, if you're really intelligent, you'd have social intelligence as well.
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  And Joe, he's going to get into this, which was really interesting in this video
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  about, Joe's got a good mind.
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  He's actually very, very smart. He plays kind of not so smart,
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  but he's able to articulate everything he thinks, like with.
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  Perfect accuracy, but he plays like just the regular guy.
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  And that's why he's so, he's so curious in everything he does that he's able
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  to draw out of people, the biggest things, the biggest moments,
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  the biggest highlights.
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  And he goes into like, I see these, these people that I talk to and sometimes
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  they seem like walls. I'm just talking to a wall.
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  And I mean, if he talked to me, I would probably seem like a wall when somebody
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  else is like, has that level of, in that degree of being intelligent.
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  I mean, some people have it more than others, but it's not like,
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  oh, you're cursed because you're not as smart as this guy.
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  And the person that is extremely intelligent, where do you think you got that from?
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  You didn't just like, I'm going to decide to be intelligent today.
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  I'm going to be born and I'm going to make myself smart as hell.
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  Rather, everything you have, everything that Joe Rogan has, everything that
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  Roman has, you have, has been given to you, whether you're extremely smart or you're not.
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  And really, it ultimately doesn't matter. Sometimes you can be too smart for
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  your own darn good when it causes you to just not have this simple childlike belief to trust in God.
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  God has made it crystal clear and perfect, given perfect evidence, sufficient evidence.
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  You know, I mean, he could speak from the clouds today, you know,
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  and say, my son's coming back.
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  I'm sending him back right now. But he doesn't do that. At least he hasn't yet.
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  And it's like, that's where the element of faith has to jump in, has to come in.
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  Because if he did that, we wouldn't have this opportunity for faith.
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  We wouldn't really have an opportunity to do things that are crazy good.
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  I mean, when you are doing something good for Christ and good for God and like
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  from a good heart, you're doing something that when you die,
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  you're not going to be able to do. And you might say that's stupid because you're going to be dead.
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  No, we are going to be raised. We are going to be put in God's immediate presence
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  at one point. And it's like.
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  Then it's not going to be like I'm going against every inclination in my heart,
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  going against my flesh and trying to do good for God and good for the kingdom.
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  Rather, you will have to be because you're going to be in his presence.
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  It's going to be like we're going to be completely just absolute awe and shocked
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  when we are face to face with him.
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  Then it won't like sin will be completely gone.
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  This whole, like, the possibility and the thought of doing something other than
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  what God wants us to do, that won't be, it won't even be able to make the final
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  cut of our consciousness.
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  We will not be able to do that.
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  But Joey, he goes into a lot of things in this video, and just him diving in
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  about the simulation, because it makes a good point.
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  Like, I think he wants to get out of this whole, like, everything's a possibility,
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  or there's so, we can't know anything.
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  What is truth? That was the scripture that Wes Huff gave to Joe Rogan.
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  He gave him that on papyri and Wes wrote it out.
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  And it's that famous line by Pilate who's standing before truth incarnate.
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  And Pilate says, what is truth? 2,000 years ago, he says to him, what is truth?
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  And Jesus doesn't answer him. He doesn't say a word.
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  His presence, he's like standing before truth, right?
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  It blows me away. And it's like that we can just be, and I know nobody,
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  it doesn't make sense to everybody.
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  It won't make sense to anybody until God turns on the lights in your mind.
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  And if you, if your lights have been turned on, praise God, because you didn't
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  just get there by your own intelligence.
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  You got there because God did something crazy in your mind. He just switched your nature.
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  You didn't even know what was going on. He just flipped it.
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  He turned on the light bulb. And I, I'm just so curious on where Joe is at because
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  has the light bulb been turned on and he's just still playing this part?
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  Is he still playing the part because he's wanting to figure out what's going
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  on? Or is he still just kind of just walking step by step?
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  And it's like, say you're a huge Joe Rogan fan. He believes in Christ tomorrow.
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  And he says, I'm fully in. He's
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  the truth. He's, I mean, are you going to change your viewpoint on Joe?
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  Are you going to not be as big of a fan? I think it comes to a point where it's
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  like, we want to go our own way.
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  And it's like, when are we going to be able to get to the point where we bow
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  the knee? I think sometimes God doesn't let us get to that point.
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  He just bows it for us.
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  He breaks that just stubborn will that we have. And he says,
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  I'm not going to let you go any further.
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  Your mind changes your nature just like that. Lights on.
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  Lights on, baby. All right. So there's so much here. There's so many things
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  that, I mean, this was a very good podcast.
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  They go into so much. They get into AI big, bigly, bigly.
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  And what AI means for us and going forward and how much it's going to have an
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  impact on our lives. And it is having an impact.
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  Like, I think Roman thinks we're going to Terminator style. You know,
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  that's where it's going to go to.
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  Skynet is right around the corner. But what's the real world? What's the real world?
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  Are you watching this? Are you still on that first day of watching Shutter Island
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  where you're just still like watching Joe and watching this,
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  everything that's going on you.
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  And you still, there's an anticipation. What could be happening?
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  What, what, what's really going on?
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  Or are you on that second rewrite, rewrite of, you know, what's going on.
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  You, you see the truth. It's a, it's a little bit darker. It's a little bit bleaker.
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  You're in the center of the earth. You're kind of like the matrix style.
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  You've been woken up to the real world.
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  You know, what's going on. You see these, you've been unplugged.
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  You see these machines that are out there.
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  And I mean, it's all, it's all analogy, but it's, it's somewhat true in a sense.
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  Where are you at? Are you on the first, the first version of watching it?
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  Or are you on the second day?
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  It's you, it makes sense better, but it might not be as, as exciting because
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  you got, you got the punchline.
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  God's given us the punchline. The whole Bible, it says we, we,
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  we have from Genesis to revelation. Revelation is where we're going.
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  We know how the story ends. Go to the last books of Revelation,
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  the last chapters of Revelation. We see where the story ends.
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  God's given it to us. He's given undeniable evidence beyond reasonable doubt or whatever that is.
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  We were not going to be able to stand before him and say, God,
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  you didn't answer that question.
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  No, he answered them all. He answered them all. It's just like,
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  what are we going to do with it?
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  So Joe, where are you at, man? Where are you at? I shudder to think.
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  All right, so if you've enjoyed this video, hit this one over here and I'll
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  see you all on the other side.