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- 1:51Speaker 2: So let's talk about these deductions if we can, some
- 1:54Speaker 2: of the deductions that people can take.
- 1:56Speaker 1: And obviously the sneakers is not one of them.
- 1:58Speaker 3: Sneakers is not one of the.
- 2:03Speaker 4: Come on, that is not your uniform.
- 2:06Speaker 3: Not a uniform. Okay, So let's talk about first of all,
- 2:10Speaker 3: let's get let's get Troy sneakers out the way. Let's
- 2:14Speaker 3: talk about how you can make that as a business
- 2:16Speaker 3: owner a deduction. If you put if you purchase a
- 2:22Speaker 3: pair of sneakers and you put your logo on them,
- 2:26Speaker 3: then you can now write them off like I've seen
- 2:29Speaker 3: you guys with e y y'all sneakers before. That can
- 2:32Speaker 3: now make it a tax deduction, right. But you cannot
- 2:36Speaker 3: just purchase sneakers, you know, when you were an employee
- 2:40Speaker 3: and just be like, oh, because I went to put
- 2:42Speaker 3: locker and I brought these sneakers, they are now a
- 2:44Speaker 3: tax deduction, right. And that also goes with clothes. So
- 2:46Speaker 3: a lot of people will say, well, how can I
- 2:48Speaker 3: write off this clothing? So you can write off, you know,
- 2:51Speaker 3: clothing that you purchase, however, and you have to stit
- 2:54Speaker 3: your logo in it. And it also can't be excessive,
- 2:57Speaker 3: like you can't say, oh, I'm gonna go out and
- 2:59Speaker 3: buy a Gucci and then I'm gonna like put my
- 3:02Speaker 3: business on there and then I'm gonna be able to
- 3:04Speaker 3: write it off, right, So it has to be reasonable.
- 3:06Speaker 3: You purchase a reasonable shirt you want to, you know,
- 3:08Speaker 3: put your logo on it, you can then you know,
- 3:11Speaker 3: write that off. So that's how that works, all right.
- 3:15Speaker 3: But let's talk about expenses, right, what does it mean?
- 3:17Speaker 3: Because I do get a lot of outlandish requests and
- 3:21Speaker 3: inquiries about what can be written off. And keep in mind, guys,
- 3:24Speaker 3: there's hundreds of things that can be written off. This
- 3:27Speaker 3: is like the number one question that I get all
- 3:31Speaker 3: the time. So I like literally wrote a book about it,
- 3:35Speaker 3: like there's hundreds of deductions because I mean I wrote
- 3:41Speaker 3: the book because there's literally hundreds of deductions that you
- 3:43Speaker 3: guys can write off. Right. But let's talk about what
- 3:46Speaker 3: classifies something as an expense. According to the IRS, it
- 3:51Speaker 3: has to be an ordinary and necessary expense. Ordinary meaning
- 3:56Speaker 3: ordinarily in your industry people are spending money on it.
- 3:59Speaker 3: Necessary meaning that it is necessary for you to spend
- 4:03Speaker 3: this money or incur this expense in order for you
- 4:07Speaker 3: to operate your business. Okay, So just to get that
- 4:10Speaker 3: out the way. And I always say to people when
- 4:13Speaker 3: you want to start talking about how outlandish the things are, right,
- 4:16Speaker 3: think about if you were sitting across from an IRS
- 4:19Speaker 3: agent and you had to explain to them, like, yeah,
- 4:23Speaker 3: I needed to purchase this right in order to make
- 4:26Speaker 3: this happen. Like does that sound logical? Right? Because sometimes
- 4:29Speaker 3: people will try to take it to the moon and
- 4:31Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, no, let's keep it, you know, let's
- 4:34Speaker 3: keep it reasonable. That is what the IRS is all about.
- 4:38Speaker 3: Things being reasonable and you being able to and you
- 4:41Speaker 3: having your documentation. Okay, you need documentation. So let's just
- 4:46Speaker 3: talk about a few very popular expenses. So you're CPA services.
- 4:51Speaker 3: That put me first, just because I need you guys
- 4:53Speaker 3: to understand that you need a CPA and you need
- 4:56Speaker 3: an accountant, and an accountant is going to be able
- 4:59Speaker 3: to guess, have to pay your accountant, but it is
- 5:01Speaker 3: a tax deduction and then they should also be able
- 5:04Speaker 3: to save you money, so it is a win win.
- 5:06Speaker 3: So any legal services. Education, so you guys are going
- 5:10Speaker 3: to conferences, you know, investing in your education, purchasing books,
- 5:15Speaker 3: you know, investing in mentorships, like all of these things
- 5:19Speaker 3: are tax deductible. Why because it is a necessary expense
- 5:23Speaker 3: in order for you to develop in your business. And
- 5:25Speaker 3: that's what I love about business, right, Like we get
- 5:27Speaker 3: to really invest in ourselves and it's a tax deduction.
- 5:31Speaker 3: So consultants meals for a.
- 5:34Speaker 4: Minute, So this and this is a business. This is
- 5:36Speaker 4: a business owner's only.
- 5:37Speaker 3: Right, this business owner.
- 5:39Speaker 4: So so so if for.
- 5:41Speaker 2: A business owner, if you were going to invest fest
- 5:43Speaker 2: let's say, right, and you buy a ticket to invest
- 5:46Speaker 2: fast and then you know the travel of course, you
- 5:49Speaker 2: gotta fly and get a hotel, so you can you
- 5:52Speaker 2: can deduct that.
- 5:53Speaker 3: Absolutely, you can deduct the ticket, purchase the flight, the hotel,
- 5:58Speaker 3: the meals while you're there, transportation, get into and from.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Absolutely, because because it would be for the betterment of
- 6:06Speaker 2: your business. You're there and you're promoting your business, your marketing,
- 6:09Speaker 2: you're talking to different people.
- 6:11Speaker 4: So you're you're right, that's what And the only.
- 6:15Speaker 3: Thing you need to do is you need to keep
- 6:17Speaker 3: confirmation that you purchase your ticket, obviously, and a good
- 6:21Speaker 3: thing about all of these things is they're digital, right,
- 6:23Speaker 3: so you know you keep that, you keep your hotel
- 6:26Speaker 3: record and obviously all of your receipts, and it is
- 6:29Speaker 3: a text deduction.
- 6:33Speaker 4: Okay.
- 6:33Speaker 3: Reason that especially played yourself. You double played yourself, all right.
- 6:41Speaker 4: So consultants, you said, consultants.
- 6:44Speaker 3: Yep, consultants meals travel, so business travel that I want
- 6:49Speaker 3: to make about.
- 6:50Speaker 2: Let's talk about the meals, Okay, because there's something that's
- 6:54Speaker 2: you gotta let's explain that.
- 6:57Speaker 3: Let's explain meals. Okay, guys, me meals. You can write
- 7:02Speaker 3: off fifty percent. Here's the idea. If you are having
- 7:05Speaker 3: a meeting with the client, the IRS says, hey, you
- 7:09Speaker 3: can write off and no way are we paying for
- 7:12Speaker 3: your meals, right, but you can write all fifty percent
- 7:15Speaker 3: of it because the idea is that you are having
- 7:20Speaker 3: you are having dinner with clients, and then if you
- 7:24Speaker 3: are having dinner with clients, then you know their portion
- 7:28Speaker 3: is deductible, yours is not. So that's why you can
- 7:32Speaker 3: write all fifty percent of your meal. So fifty percent
- 7:35Speaker 3: of your meals can be deducted. I want you all
- 7:38Speaker 3: to understand that this line item is and thank you
- 7:41Speaker 3: a shot for making me go back to this, because
- 7:43Speaker 3: this is one of the highest auditit line items. And
- 7:48Speaker 3: the reason why is because people are unlike for shod like, oh,
- 7:51Speaker 3: let me get that receipt you have to keep your
- 7:54Speaker 3: receipts because the government is like, okay, well we know.
- 7:58Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you it is the highest audit
- 8:01Speaker 3: line items on a business owner's tax return is meals, travel,
- 8:06Speaker 3: and vehicle, okay. And the reason why is because you
- 8:10Speaker 3: need extensive documentation to support these things. And when I
- 8:14Speaker 3: say extensive, I mean that it's a lot of small
- 8:17Speaker 3: transactions right that equal up into this big transaction. So
- 8:21Speaker 3: for your meals, you need to hold on to your receipts.
- 8:24Speaker 2: So for the received things, though, because most people are
- 8:26Speaker 2: not going to carry their receipt. So what's the best
- 8:29Speaker 2: option outside of that? Is it to use a credit card,
- 8:31Speaker 2: a business credit card where it can track your transactions,
- 8:34Speaker 2: or or.
- 8:35Speaker 4: Is it an app?
- 8:35Speaker 1: I know sometimes people are using the app that takes a
- 8:37Speaker 1: picture of seat and now it saves this from digitally.
- 8:40Speaker 3: Absolutely, so it's both. So let's just talk about when
- 8:42Speaker 3: you go out and the receipt and what it should have. Right,
- 8:45Speaker 3: if you have a meal, the receipt that you have,
- 8:48Speaker 3: So let's talk about the receipt, and then let's talk
- 8:50Speaker 3: about how to actually hold on to the receipt and
- 8:52Speaker 3: what you need to do. So for the receipt, right,
- 8:55Speaker 3: the receipt needs to have the date, the amount, who
- 9:00Speaker 3: you went to dinner with or lunch with or whoever,
- 9:04Speaker 3: like who was the like, who did you go with?
- 9:06Speaker 3: What did you guys discuss? Right, So you need to
- 9:09Speaker 3: have all of these things written down, like you need
- 9:12Speaker 3: to know all of these things. And what I do
- 9:14Speaker 3: is when I get the receipt, I'll say, Okay, I
- 9:17Speaker 3: went out with Raseean and Troy. You know, this is
- 9:20Speaker 3: what we you know, talked about, like this is what
- 9:23Speaker 3: you know, like we were meeting to review taxes and
- 9:26Speaker 3: then you know, then I'll well all the date, the amount,
- 9:31Speaker 3: and the place is already on the It's on the receipt, right,
- 9:35Speaker 3: so you just need to identify, like what was your
- 9:37Speaker 3: business reason for being there? That's the only thing that
- 9:40Speaker 3: the IRS wants to know, right, what was your business
- 9:42Speaker 3: reason for being there? So then from there, Rashad to
- 9:45Speaker 3: your point. You have to hold on to those receipts, right,
- 9:48Speaker 3: So you have to hold on to those receipts. But
- 9:51Speaker 3: not everyone is going to be able to hold onto
- 9:53Speaker 3: a physical receipt. I'm one of those people. Receipts they crumble,
- 9:57Speaker 3: they fade, they're all over the place. So what I
- 9:59Speaker 3: do is I take a photo of them. I'll take
- 10:01Speaker 3: a photo of them on my phone. And then what
- 10:03Speaker 3: I do is I and my account and software. So
- 10:07Speaker 3: I use quick Books. So quick books has a feature
- 10:09Speaker 3: where it allows you to upload the receipt and attach
- 10:12Speaker 3: it to the transaction. So that makes it really helpful
- 10:16Speaker 3: to do that. Or if you're a person that you know,
- 10:18Speaker 3: let's say you want to upload into your Google Drive
- 10:20Speaker 3: or and you know it's so crazy, Troy, you gave
- 10:23Speaker 3: me that idea one year when you were like, I
- 10:26Speaker 3: was asking you for a receipt for something and you
- 10:28Speaker 3: were like, oh, let me just go back in my
- 10:30Speaker 3: photos and I could just look in my photos because
- 10:33Speaker 3: it'll match to date. And so now I give that
- 10:36Speaker 3: that strategy out to everybody. So thank you, trust me,
- 10:38Speaker 3: Just thank you, because a lot of times if you,
- 10:44Speaker 3: let's say you you know, you'll know when the transaction happens.
- 10:47Speaker 3: So if you put the date in the search bar
- 10:49Speaker 3: of your phone, you'll be able to pull it up.
- 10:50Speaker 3: You'll know exactly who you were with while you were there.
- 10:53Speaker 3: You know, you should have a photo in your phone
- 10:55Speaker 3: of the of the receipt. I wouldn't say keep all
- 10:57Speaker 3: don't keep the photos there, right, but originally take the
- 11:00Speaker 3: phote on your phone and then you know, attach it
- 11:02Speaker 3: to quick boats or upload it into Google Drive, like whatever,
- 11:05Speaker 3: whatever your process is, figure out the process and stick
- 11:09Speaker 3: to it.
- 11:09Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just just add to that what you're
- 11:12Speaker 1: saying is one hundred percent factual. Having documentation is super important.
- 11:16Speaker 1: The last thing you want to see at the end
- 11:18Speaker 1: of the year, especially if you're a business owner. It's
- 11:21Speaker 1: uncategorized transactions. It is It's the most tedious thing you
- 11:28Speaker 1: ever have to look at you don't want to do it.
- 11:30Speaker 1: So the best thing to do is make sure just
- 11:32Speaker 1: document it. When when you're doing something, document it, label it.
- 11:35Speaker 1: When you send the money, just label it. It's going
- 11:37Speaker 1: to say yourself a lot of time and energy and hassle.
- 11:40Speaker 1: So just document the process.
- 11:41Speaker 3: Speaking from experienced guys, you know, you know, you know,
- 11:47Speaker 3: and then try to do it on a more frequent basis,
- 11:49Speaker 3: like now we're like sending over those uncategorized transactions over
- 11:53Speaker 3: to you guys, like every two weeks, every two to
- 11:56Speaker 3: three weeks. I know. Try. I'm so sorry, but it
- 11:58Speaker 3: makes it makes it easy about the taxes later.
- 12:01Speaker 1: I appreciate you, no problem.
- 12:04Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about some deductions. Right, Let's
- 12:08Speaker 3: talk about some other deductions. So we're clear on that, right,
- 12:10Speaker 3: if it is deductive, I mean, if it is ordinary
- 12:14Speaker 3: or necessary, you can expense it as a business owner.
- 12:17Speaker 3: All right. So now let's talk about what I want
- 12:20Speaker 3: to talk about is the shifting of expenses from your
- 12:24Speaker 3: personal over into your business. And this income ship, I mean,
- 12:28Speaker 3: this extensive thing really is just saying, hey, these are
- 12:31Speaker 3: expenses that you're already utilizing in your business. So if
- 12:34Speaker 3: there's expenses that you're already utilizing in your business. How
- 12:38Speaker 3: about we, you know, switch those like over to your
- 12:41Speaker 3: business because you're utilizing them. So let's talk about the infamous.
- 12:44Speaker 3: Let's take it back real quick. Let's talk about vehicles.
- 12:47Speaker 3: Let's talk vehicles. Let's take it back, and let's let's
- 12:53Speaker 3: start out there. So with a vehicle, if you are
- 12:57Speaker 3: leasing your vehicle, if you are financing your vehicle, there's
- 12:59Speaker 3: still an our opportunity for you to take a tax deduction.
- 13:03Speaker 3: So if you're leasing the vehicle, and guys, keep in mind,
- 13:05Speaker 3: because I get this question all the time. In order
- 13:07Speaker 3: for me to write off my vehicle, do I have
- 13:09Speaker 3: to own it? The IRS does not care who owns
- 13:13Speaker 3: your vehicle. They don't care if it's you or the business.
- 13:16Speaker 3: What they care about is your business use of the vehicle. Okay,
- 13:20Speaker 3: So if you have your personal vehicle and you are
- 13:24Speaker 3: utilizing it for business, you can still take the tax deduction. Okay.
- 13:28Speaker 3: So if you're leasing the vehicle and you utilize the
- 13:30Speaker 3: vehicle fifty percent of you know, fifty percent of the
- 13:33Speaker 3: time for business, you can take fifty percent of the
- 13:35Speaker 3: lease payments, fuel repairs, registration, you can take all of
- 13:39Speaker 3: those expenses up to fifty percent. Right, So if your
- 13:43Speaker 3: financing the vehicle, then we have to do what's called
- 13:46Speaker 3: depreciation because now that's an asset. You own it. You're
- 13:49Speaker 3: not leasing it and renting it, right, so you're owning it,
- 13:52Speaker 3: so you have to do what's called depreciation. Depreciation. All
- 13:55Speaker 3: depreciation is is the process of being able to duck
- 14:00Speaker 3: the value of your asset. That's all it is over time,
- 14:04Speaker 3: And the IRS says what that time is. They determine
- 14:07Speaker 3: what the time is, so they say, okay, well a
- 14:09Speaker 3: home is I mean not a home. Sorry. They'll say
- 14:12Speaker 3: a vehicle can be depreciated over five years. They'll say
- 14:17Speaker 3: a cell phone can be depreciated over five years, a
- 14:20Speaker 3: home can be depreciated over twenty seven and a half years.
- 14:22Speaker 3: So the IRS gives you what you know, what that
- 14:25Speaker 3: looks like. So if there is no guesswork, So what
- 14:29Speaker 3: happens is if you do have a vehicle that you're
- 14:31Speaker 3: financing and you utilize a fifty percent, then you will
- 14:35Speaker 3: your depreciation. So let's just say you had a vehicle
- 14:38Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. What will happen is that you'll be
- 14:41Speaker 3: able to depreciate fifty percent of it. Right, So let's
- 14:45Speaker 3: say the the tax deduction should have been ten thousand
- 14:48Speaker 3: dollars because you divided by five, what would have What
- 14:52Speaker 3: would happen is that you would be able to take
- 14:54Speaker 3: a tax deduction of five thousand dollars in depreciation expense
- 14:58Speaker 3: on top of your fuel and the maintenance and all
- 15:01Speaker 3: those things. Right, That wouldn't change, But it's just about
- 15:05Speaker 3: how you treat that actual payment, if it's least versus
- 15:08Speaker 3: if it is finance. Now, let's just go back real quick.
- 15:12Speaker 3: Let's take it back twenty nineteen. We talked about six
- 15:15Speaker 3: thousand pound roll and at that moment I broke down
- 15:20Speaker 3: how if your vehicle is over six thousand pounds that
- 15:23Speaker 3: you would be able to write off one hundred percent
- 15:25Speaker 3: of it. What happens now is you only can write
- 15:28Speaker 3: on sixty percent of it. So let's just talk about
- 15:30Speaker 3: why and all of those things.
- 15:32Speaker 4: That's cool.
- 15:34Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, we were still in the window of
- 15:36Speaker 3: being able to write off the being able to write
- 15:40Speaker 3: off one hundred percent. So the Tax Cuts and Jobs
- 15:43Speaker 3: Act implemented was called bonus appreciation. Bonus appreciation started on
- 15:49Speaker 3: November twenty seventh for twenty seventeen, and basically it's going
- 15:53Speaker 3: to go all the way into twenty twenty seven. However,
- 15:56Speaker 3: as of twenty twenty two, that was the last year
- 15:59Speaker 3: you'll be able to one hundred percent, right, So that's
- 16:02Speaker 3: the last year you'll be able to take one hundred percent.
- 16:05Speaker 3: Every single year after that is going to decrease by
- 16:07Speaker 3: twenty percent until it phases out. So what that means
- 16:11Speaker 3: is in twenty twenty three you only can take eighty percent,
- 16:14Speaker 3: and twenty twenty four you only can take sixty percent.
- 16:16Speaker 3: So if any of you are new to this conversation
- 16:19Speaker 3: about bonus appreciation and writing the asset off and you
- 16:23Speaker 3: know all of those things, and what happens is, you
- 16:25Speaker 3: know you you miss you missed the train, but you
- 16:29Speaker 3: you didn't totally miss it, right you you're still here.
- 16:33Speaker 3: You can take sixty percent, you just can't take one
- 16:34Speaker 3: hundred and so next year it'll be forty twenty percent
- 16:38Speaker 3: until it completely phases out in twenty twenty seven.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Soy so for so all right, so for six thousand
- 16:43Speaker 2: pounds if you buy a car SUV. And it was
- 16:46Speaker 2: started by George Bush, I think originally to give give
- 16:51Speaker 2: incentives to the gas companies because SUVs obviously use more gas,
- 16:56Speaker 2: so he wanted to incentivize people to buy SUVs.
- 16:58Speaker 4: So they started a rule, the six thousand pounds rule.
- 17:01Speaker 2: Right, So, okay, if you buy a car that's over
- 17:03Speaker 2: six thousand pounds, let's say a g Wagon, right, it's
- 17:08Speaker 2: over six thousand pounds, yes, and let's say you buy
- 17:11Speaker 2: it for two hundred thousand dollars, right, So now you
- 17:14Speaker 2: buy a two hundred thousand dollars g Wagon for It's
- 17:17Speaker 2: so currently in twenty twenty four is sixty percent and
- 17:22Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty five.
- 17:23Speaker 4: Is forty percent. So what is that? What does that
- 17:25Speaker 4: actually mean?
- 17:26Speaker 2: Because most people aren't going to pay two hundred thousand
- 17:29Speaker 2: dollars cash.
- 17:30Speaker 4: But let's say hypothetically they were.
- 17:31Speaker 2: Let's say hypothetically they paid twenty thousand dollars cash, and
- 17:34Speaker 2: let's do what most people would do.
- 17:36Speaker 4: They would probably finance the car, right, or at least
- 17:41Speaker 4: the car and finance.
- 17:42Speaker 2: So let's kind of explain, like, how what is sixty
- 17:44Speaker 2: percent of your car payments?
- 17:46Speaker 4: What is it?
- 17:47Speaker 3: It's sixty percent of the value because it is an asset.
- 17:52Speaker 3: So because it is an asset, what happens is that
- 17:55Speaker 3: you are able to deduct the value of the app said,
- 18:00Speaker 3: so to your point, it's if you finance it. It is
- 18:05Speaker 3: not the payment, it is the asset value. So if
- 18:08Speaker 3: let's say in your case where you just mentioned, someone
- 18:10Speaker 3: purchased a g wagon, it's two hundred thousand dollars in
- 18:14Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, they'll be able to take one hundred
- 18:16Speaker 3: and twenty thousand dollars tax deduction right against their income.
- 18:20Speaker 3: It is now going that it's a line item. They
- 18:22Speaker 3: can take that deduction. Now what happens is the remaining
- 18:25Speaker 3: what is that the remaining eighty thousand dollars, they'll depreciate
- 18:29Speaker 3: it over the remaining four years. Right, So now that
- 18:32Speaker 3: would just be a tax deduction that they'll receive over
- 18:34Speaker 3: the remaining four years. So twenty thousand dollars every single year.
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