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#286 For Azeroth!: “Are You Not Entertained?” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  If you're a prot warrior going into the war within think you're
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  going to have a good time in season one or at least the first
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  half of the season until till things happened.
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  Sir, this is a Wendy's. Are you going to place your
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  order? Yeah, can I get a baconator and
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  a with a medium sized fries and a chocolate frosty for calendar?
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  To the burning region for Gilnaeus.
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  But have not done for the Lynch king for the Cindori.
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  For the alliance. For the horn for Azeroth.
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  Hello, and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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  As per the request of one of our hosts, we're going to switch
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  things up, introducing first Sean.
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  Hello, Sean. How are you doing?
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  Doing well. How are you doing?
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  Am I allowed to talk to you because you didn't introduce
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  yourself? I don't know how this works.
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  I'm doing good. Thanks.
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  Thanks, Manny. I just didn't want to be sick.
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  Well played, Sir. Well played.
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  I will never, I'll never involve myself in your introductions
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  again. Do them as you see fit.
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  Joining us as well as always from sunny area redacted Lex.
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  I almost said where you live, you.
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  Can see where I live, it's a it's a big state.
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  I mean, it's not, it's actually a very small state, but it's,
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  you know, if you. It's sunny California.
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  Oh God no. I.
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  Don't have you introduced? Yet, Sir, you don't get to
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  speak. Yeah, I'm, I'm doing great,
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  Sean. I'm, I'm watching the Olympics.
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  I'm going crazy, living, living my dreams, supporting the good
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  old fashioned US of A. Did have you seen any good?
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  Like, has there been anything in the Olympics that you've been
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  like, wow, that was really impressive?
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  So, OK, first of all, obviously I watched gymnastics.
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  I, Pommel Horseman is the king of the United States right now,
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  for those of you who don't. Know was asleep and then woke up
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  yeah, you so much you're about to say that.
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  Yeah, for, for, for those of you who don't know the US men's
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  gymnastics team, they, they're like in, in the team version of
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  the gymnastics, there's a ton of different events that you
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  compete in. And like, you know, most people
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  do pretty much all of the events or do multiple events at least.
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  And each event is scored. the United States has this one guy
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  whose name is escaping me. Who he's only on the team to do
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  the pommel horse. He's really good at pommel
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  horse. So like there was a countdown on
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  the screen in America at least. It was like it was because it
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  was like 2 1/2 hours. He was just sitting there while
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  the rest of his team was like on the floor and on the beams and
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  doing all this crazy stuff and vaulting and bouncing right
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  along and like everyone is doing a ton of different stuff.
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  This man is sitting there. I think he was like meditating.
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  I think he was supposed to be in in the zone.
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  What was it napping? It it looks very much like he's
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  taking a little nap, taking a little sleep to sleep and then
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  this man finally gets to pile horse wakes up and does like
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  near perfect routine like and he's the reason that the United
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  States won bronze for the first. I think it was the first time
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  they meddled in. I, I, I remember I if it's ever
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  or just in a very long time, but men's gymnastics meddled for the
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  first time. And then women's gymnastics.
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  The team also meddled, but that was less surprising, frankly, if
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  they hadn't meddled it. Would be very surprising.
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  Yeah. That happens a lot, right?
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  Isn't Simone Biles and those guys, like, they're all like,
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  they're all like, legendary gymnastics people, right?
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  Like, yeah. This is.
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  There's another one. What's the one?
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  There was another smaller girl. She broke her ankle or something
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  one year. Oh, I don't remember, but you
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  mean you the the women's we medal very frequently and
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  especially now that we have Simone Biles, who is like, I
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  think the most decorated Olympian, at least the most
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  decorated Jonas ever. And just maybe, OK, Manny's
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  making a face. I don't know if that's true.
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  Maybe I should look that she's really good.
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  Like she is she? He's just upset that when the
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  he's upset, we're not talking about the Canadian swimmer
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  Richard Funk. Oh yeah?
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  Well, I I just wanted, I'm just saying, I'm really.
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  Proud I'm thinking back over this intro because by now I had
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  introduced both of you and so you could all participate in the
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  conversation. I'm thinking of being like
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  eventually it'll talk to me, eventually I'll get introduced.
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  Hi everybody, my name is Manny and I am the third Co host of
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  this show. Welcome to for Asarov.
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  Yes, there are more than just two hosts and a guy who gets to
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  say 2 words at the beginning of the show.
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  This is why you can't pass the hosting posting intro
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  information to anyone else. Yeah, huge mistake, huge
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  mistake. But I am glad that you guys are
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  enjoying the, the Olympics. I, I, I, I just hear about like
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  the winning the medal and then testing positive like right
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  afterwards. I'm like of course.
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  Wait for COVID or for drugs? COVID.
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  Oh, COVID. Yeah, yeah.
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  I was like, that was the that was the Russian team.
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  We don't have to worry about that.
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  They're not competing this year. Sorry, Yeah, that was
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  disrespectful. I.
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  Didn't grieve. OK, OK.
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  We're moving on. Well, with that aside, let's
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  talk about last time on Azeroth Z, because the World of
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  Warcraft, when you logged in this week, you got a recap
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  cinematic that covered event stretching all the way back from
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  Legion, right when Sardaris was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna stab
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  this guy. I'm gonna stab this guy.
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  Start from there. Some stuff that happened in BFA,
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  because that's when the greater populace was introduced to Naifu
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  Zalitath. Bring us into like, hey, yeah,
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  some stuff happened in Shanlund. We're gonna skip past that,
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  though, and then into Dragonflight and hey, now
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  there's this Dark Heart and and there's some alliances going on
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  and really just catching up. Everybody who may have been not
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  paying attention or otherwise engaged over the last little
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  bit. And to me, it feels like Legion
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  felt like the end of an era and now we're really actually
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  starting to push into like big things.
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  So this is to prime everybody for the war within and for the
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  World Soul Saga in general. So I am, I'm glad they did this.
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  I think it is exactly the right time to do this.
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  But I, I got to ask you guys, what were your feelings about
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  this? Let's start with you, Lex.
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  I know you love the lore. What was your feelings about
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  this cinema? This cinema?
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  Yeah, I thought it was. I agree.
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  I think it was really necessary because a ton has happened.
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  And if you missed any of it, if you were like, like you would,
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  if you were like a new player, which they're trying to pull in,
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  you'd be incredibly lost. And we'll say I was just
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  thinking about like as we were talking.
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  And I don't know how much it would like, if you're brand new,
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  like you don't really know any of these names, but I guess it
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  gives you a background. It gives you a place to start
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  at. And I mean, World of Warcraft
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  four is 20 years old, as I learned.
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  And so there's there's it's a lot that you can miss it like
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  there'd be a lot of information packed into one last time on
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  Asrazzi. I did find it a little bit like
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  it was they pulled from cutscenes that already existed,
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  which meant that it was a mixture of cutscenes that are
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  like beautifully, like there were like Dragons flying the the
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  early dragonfly cutscene that was just like beautiful and like
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  looked like a movie. And then there were also
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  cutscenes that were just the game itself.
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  I mean, it was it. It was a cutscene cinematic that
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  existed to serve a purpose, not to be.
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  A. Particularly like mind blowing
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  cinematic. So like, yeah, in comparison to
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  other Blizzard cinematics. Would I watch it again?
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  Not really. But it was I think the first
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  time the Blizzard has done something like this where
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  they're like, here, let me just give you a quick recap.
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  And then Andwin suffered and then we met Zalitath and then
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  Dark Heart. And then he like, just like ran
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  you through it. And they did a pretty good job
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  for somebody for a a new style of cinematics.
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  So I thought it it served its purpose.
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  They had it. Thank you Blizzard.
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  OK, John. I loved it, I thought it was
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  great. Two big things that I took away
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  from it. One, but as you mentioned, it
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  played when you logged in, but it was also available as an
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  option to play from every single quest giver in the short quest
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  chain. For the Radiant Echoes quest.
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  It was like 5 quests you do. Every one of the people you talk
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  to also gave you the option to replay the movie.
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  If for some reason something happened and you disconnected
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  and missed it, or your audio bugged and stopped playing
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  during it, or you randomly fell through the world of syllabus
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  for 10 minutes. Any of these things happen.
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  I don't imagine anything these things would have happened
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  anybody, but if they did, you had the option to replay the
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  cinematic in a lot of spots and that's great.
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  I really like that I didn't have to go hunt it down on YouTube.
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  Had I had issues with it, I wouldn't have had to go hunt it
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  down on a YouTube video. So that's great.
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  The other the other thing that I thought was interesting it's and
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  so I'm going to preface this with this is not the case.
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  These things are planned so far in advance.
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  Nobody is ripping out a cinematic in a weekend, but this
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  cinematic aim on the heels of a lot of people on Twitter saying,
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  you know, I'm not really, I don't really know what the story
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  is. I don't really know where we're
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  going. I don't really feel like I'm the
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  hype has been built properly story wise for where we're at
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  and what we're doing. And then this came out and it
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  was not, it was 100% not a direct response.
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  Like, hey, oh, sorry, there's people who need to be caught up
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  here. They make this.
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  Let me just throw this together right quick.
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  That's not how this works. This was planned and produced
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  months and months ago and then just everyone was supposed to.
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  But it, it was so timely and it really it, it makes me
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  appreciate Blizzard's not their foresight, but their ability to
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  look at the content they're releasing and have a problem,
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  have a have a solution for a problem that might exist based
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  on what they're like. They're like that we're going to
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  this and this and this. What are the potential issues?
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  This could be an issue. OK, what's our solution?
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  Well, it's this And have it all planned out and prepared ahead
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  of time. So I'm really impressed with
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  that. And obviously Taryn Gregory's
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  cinematic team, 10 out of 10. They're on the Christmas card
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  list forever. Yeah, but I liked it.
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  I liked it A lot of that was a great time.
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  I had referenced it as like the last time on Dexter, but then
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  everybody else that I spoke to made the Dragon Ball Z reference
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  and then I was like, OK, that makes.
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  Yeah, yeah, no, that's, that's a quintessential thing, especially
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  since like half the last episode was just them charging up the,
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  the, the the fight. So I, I think that you guys are
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  right. It's great timing when people
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  are saying like, oh, I don't know anything about this.
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  Like, how am I supposed to get into this?
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  I was also thinking that we haven't seen any of those like 2
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  1/2 D animations that we normally get.
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  Remember we had War Bringers where we had the Jaina song that
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  was like, that's so hype. We had the Lord of the Clans
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  back for back in Warlord's Day, which like was like, Hey, you
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  may not have been here for these like old war Warlords back when
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  we were doing Warcraft one or two and that.
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  So let's let's do that. And I think that would have been
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  good, except it doesn't really do as much as this did.
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  This was so good and concise of here you go.
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  Even if you don't know everything, you at least have
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  enough to follow along. And I think that that's so solid
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  here. It also reminded me of things
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  that I was like, Oh, wait, that's that's something that
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  really we haven't had before. This is the first time it like
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  it was put in this in this, which of course is a recap going
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  back to when we first found out that the harbinger was Xalatath.
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  Actually, we knew beforehand, but when the story first
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  revealed that Xalatath was the harbinger, one of the things
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  that was dropped was the first named Voidlord.
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  And this this video like made sure to drop that name again and
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  that maybe just sort of go like, wait a second, like is this is
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  this going to be pretty big? So I think there there's
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  obviously going to be a bunch of people who are going to be
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  dissecting this thing and be like, oh, this is this is big.
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  I think that it's not going to be as much as normal because we
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  also got another video that we're going to be talking about
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  later on. But there's always something to
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  be said about what they choose to highlight and include in
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  these sort of videos, because it means that not only did was it
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  dropped like the first time, but they brought it back to me.
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  Be like, Hey, remember this, this is the thing.
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  So I I really want to like go through this and be like, OK, so
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  first name void Lord. Hey, the the teacher, even
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  though he was like there in the quest, they major that you
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  remembered him that they named him and that sort of stuff to be
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  like, OK, is this clues beyond just like the obvious of like,
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  here's a recap of where we're going to go going next.
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  And so I I do think that I wanna take some more time and dig
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  through this as well. Oh, I was gonna say that's
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  really true. I think one of the things that I
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  always find like, one reason I actually will usually skip in
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  like TV shows the like last time or like previously on whatever
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  is because like, you can usually kind of piece together where the
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  episode's going based off of it. Because it's like, oh, they
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  brought up this one conversation these two characters had about
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  their uncle in Bermuda that I thought was filler.
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  But clearly it's important because they decide to put it
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  in. Yeah.
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  So I, I hadn't really thought of it like that, but I think
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  that's, I kind of want to rewatch it now too.
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  But sorry, man. You were saying?
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  No, I think that's that's great. Like, I think that's exactly
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  what I'm saying. The other thing that kind of
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  bummed me out is that this is the first time they've used a
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  new narrator voice. The old narrator passed away and
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  this with this new narrator, I was just like, I kind of wanted
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  them to find a sound alike, but they recast it.
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  This is a good like I can't knock this performance.
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  It was good. It didn't sound Warcraft because
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  I'm so used to that old narrator that we've had from like the
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  very character intros. And it wasn't like when they
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  just use what are the people that they that they have on
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  staff? Like for a long time, some of
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  the narration was done by Josh Allen when he was when he was
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  there, but it wasn't an in game one.
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  It was just like a Hey, here's a survival guide of what's coming
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  up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  But like this is in game and it's the first time like that
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  narration voice has really mattered.
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  I don't know, like it's just, I guess I was the only one who
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  really got, who really took that note.
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  I couldn't tell you what the the old voice over guy sounded like.
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  If you put a gun down my head right now and said pick which
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  one of these is the original Warcraft voice over guy, I
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  wouldn't be able to. Now that you're saying this,
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  Manny, I actually do think I know who you're talking.
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  Like I know what you're talking about.
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  I didn't realize that he passed away.
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  I it, I mean it, it did feel maybe a little different again.
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  I don't think I, I don't know that I would have noticed that
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  it was a different narrator until you said that.
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  So you ruined it for me. Actually.
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  Manny's actually destroying things.
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  No, I, I. The worst?
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  I I hear what you're saying. I did like, I think I yeah, I
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  like the narrator of of this one.
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  And I can also imagine that, like, if they'd done a sound
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  like, especially if this person had passed away recently, I can
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  imagine that potentially feeling a little dicey, right?
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  Like sometimes the best way to remember somebody is to say,
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  like, they did this. This is them.
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  Yeah, who cannot? You'd have people wondering if
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  it was an AI recreation of the voice.
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  True all. Right.
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  Yeah, OK. And then that that taints the I
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  mean that taints the the cinematic.
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  Well, it's there, we have it in the show notes for anybody who
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  wants to look at it again with a more critical eye or who wants
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  to like hear the narration. But that was what led us into
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  this week where we got the pre expansion event.
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  And let's have John, let's have you deal with this.
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  Now. I'm pretty sure that this pre
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  expansion event did not take place in Old Hillsbrad, but tell
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  me how your journey began and how you went through all of
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  this. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
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  So I logged in on patch day, servers came up, I want to say
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  early. They were expected to come up at
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  11:00 AM Pacific and I think they came up a little bit early.
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  I logged in. I had logged out in Old Hills
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  Brad. Sometimes I go to the Caverns of
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  time just to just a vibe, you know, it's a good spot.
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  I like it there. I logged in in Old Hills Brad
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  first to Val Dragon because I thought I had to go there to get
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  the quest. Turns out I already had the
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  quest. Used my item to port to Solathis
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  to do my short quest. Story fell through the world and
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  disconnected for about 15 minutes in a never ending loop
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  of just pain and despair and then finally get that sorted
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  out. Did the question.
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  It's like it's about 5 quests. In the middle of that question
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  there's another cutscene with Magmie.
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  My audio bugged out so I lost all dialogue audio.
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  The fix to that is to, if that happens to you, if you're
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  playing through it for some reason, you're listening to this
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  and you haven't played it yet. When Magne starts to talk to
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  Azaroth, if your audio dialogue portion bugs out and you don't
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  hear anything, you should. You can log out and log back in
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  and then the dialogue comes back because not only does he talk,
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  but like there's a stay on listen when there's talking.
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  There's all this anyway, you're like all game dialogue bugged
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  out at this point. I didn't realize, so I just let
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  it go. I went I did the quest chain.
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  It was it was short, but it was good.
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  Introduces Dagran and Moira is there and and it's it's a good
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  time. And then you get your hey, go to
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  the zone and do the quest W where the radiant echoes and the
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  way the radiant echoes work. There are three different events
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  in three different zones. So one is in Dragon Bite, one is
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  in Steering Gorge, and one is in Dust Wallow Marsh.
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  You go and on a set timer so it's every 90 minutes it cycles
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  to a new one. You go to the spot when it
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  starts you have to do like 4 little first you kill one big
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  slime then there's like I think it's 6 mini events that have to
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  be done which are usually just kill mobs in this specific area
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  of the map. Once they're dead, you go back
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  to a quest point and you fight either the Lich King, Annexia,
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  or Ragnaros. Bring your quest in, get your
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  1.5 K radiant echoes, and then just wait for the next zone.
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  The gear it drops or the gear you can have in the vendor is
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  480 item level. We were trying to figure out on
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  stream today who this is for. It's 480 veteran track gear
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  because the weekly quests, so your soup, your great hunt, your
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  research under fire, all those weekly events from all of the
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  Dragonfly patches before that drop between 480 and 493 gear
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  when you do them. And everything's awakened now,
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  so you can do them all every week, which there's like 12
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  things you can do. So you can almost get a full set
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  of gear just from doing those. Yeah, I guess underwhelming is
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  how I would describe it. And it's it's very laggy because
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  there's so many people in the zone at once that it's basically
• 21:33
  a PowerPoint. And I have like a brand new
• 21:35
  computer. So it's not my computer, but
• 21:36
  it's basically a PowerPoint slideshow.
• 21:37
  I got to be honest, you should have chose Lex for this, because
• 21:39
  I am. I was very underwhelmed with
• 21:42
  this event. The only saving grace is that
• 21:45
  the weekly, the quest, it's a quest.
• 21:48
  It's a weekly quest to kill each boss in each zone and that is
• 21:53
  able to be done by multiple characters.
• 21:55
  So you can cycle through your characters to get more done
• 21:59
  through the week. And you, anybody from level 10
• 22:01
  up can do it. There are some people who are
• 22:03
  doing some min maxing on it, like running it in Cromie time
• 22:06
  because the bosses live longer because there's nobody there.
• 22:08
  So they're able to run three or four alts through a single
• 22:11
  event. Yeah.
• 22:14
  And that's it. Every week it'll get the timer
• 22:19
  gets shorter. So next week it'll get shorter
• 22:21
  by 30 minutes. So it'll be on a 60 minute
• 22:23
  rotation. And then the week after it gets
• 22:26
  shorter by 30 minutes again, one more time it'll be on a 30
• 22:28
  minute rotation and that'll it stays there for the final two
• 22:31
  weeks. Have you done it at all, Manny
• 22:34
  or Lex? Because I got yeah, I that's it.
• 22:37
  It basically exists is what I can say about it.
• 22:41
  I did it oh sorry man and I are just talking over each other the
• 22:45
  whole the whole episode. I did my first one literally
• 22:50
  right before this episode. So first of all, I now know for
• 22:55
  a fact that it takes 15 minutes to do the radiant echoes, which
• 23:02
  feels a little short. I kind of miss OK, I, I have a
• 23:08
  little bit of nostalgic glasses on for Legion's pre expansion
• 23:12
  event because that's how I levelled my first character to
• 23:14
  Max right? So I was doing those
• 23:16
  significantly more than normal than a normal person would.
• 23:21
  I will say the one thing I liked about it is I could just keep
• 23:24
  doing it right. I I think one thing that Manny
• 23:26
  and I have talked about a little bit on this show is we, we
• 23:31
  talked about it in an episode pre Sean.
• 23:32
  I'm not trying to leave you out, Sean.
• 23:36
  World of Warcraft is trying really hard not to be grindy,
• 23:41
  which I appreciate. But every once in a while I kind
• 23:44
  of feel like you guys want me to play the game right.
• 23:49
  And I got that vibe a little bit with this too, like having a 15
• 23:55
  minute event that I can only do every 90 minutes, which also I
• 24:00
  will say I don't have the 90 minutes.
• 24:01
  Like if something's every 60 minutes, that's top of the hour.
• 24:04
  And so I just like, I can remember top of the hour.
• 24:06
  I go, right, something's every 30 minutes, that's out top of
• 24:09
  the hour and 30 minutes. And so I can remember that and
• 24:11
  go 90 minutes is weird because it bumps right?
• 24:15
  Like it's first going to be like top of the hour and then an hour
• 24:18
  and a half like that is not ever going to just like trigger in my
• 24:22
  head. I'm never going to like look at
• 24:23
  the clock and be like, oh, it's eight.
• 24:26
  I forgot. I can go do my Radiant Echoes
• 24:28
  now. Although I guess it's it's
• 24:30
  ongoing so it doesn't super matter.
• 24:32
  Like I can just log in whenever and do that whenever I think of
• 24:34
  it. I thought it was fun.
• 24:41
  I, I kept going between when I logged in, I got confused and
• 24:46
  then I figured it out. And then I was like, oh, this is
• 24:48
  really fun. And then like I was in
• 24:52
  Dragonblight and I was doing the tadpole memory thing and it took
• 24:57
  so long. Like we, I kept opening the
• 24:59
  tadpoles and they're like, and everyone like a ton of people
• 25:02
  were there and it just was, it was taking forever.
• 25:04
  I don't know if they expected more Anyway, So then I was like,
• 25:06
  OK, well, now this is a little bit too long.
• 25:07
  And then it was like, oh, go find this person, but they
• 25:09
  didn't tell me where to find the person.
• 25:10
  And so I was like, well, now I'm confused again.
• 25:12
  And then it was go kill the Lich King.
• 25:13
  And then we were done. So I thought there were moments
• 25:18
  when I was doing it, but I was like, oh, this is actually
• 25:20
  great, right? Like, this is so cute.
• 25:21
  And this is reminding me of, like, early World Warcraft and
• 25:24
  like the things I loved about it.
• 25:25
  And I'm seeing all this stuff that, like, is really nostalgic
• 25:27
  for me. And then something would kind of
• 25:32
  drag a little bit. And I was like, oh, OK.
• 25:34
  But also it felt a little short, so who knows?
• 25:38
  I don't think this is going to go down in history as one of my
• 25:40
  favorite pre expansion events. But it's also like, it's not
• 25:46
  terrible, right? It's not like I'm offended that
• 25:48
  they thought that this would be a good opening to War Within.
• 25:51
  I think it's just there. What do you think, Fanny?
• 25:56
  Oh geez, OK, people are complaining mostly about the
• 26:00
  time I don't care 'cause it's a worthless event in my opinion.
• 26:05
  It is the absolute quintessential grind fest.
• 26:09
  I'm going to do things to get currency to get what I want to
• 26:12
  get stuff that is 480 gear, which doesn't matter.
• 26:15
  There's no variety in it. I'm running to places to defeat
• 26:19
  things that they're reusing models like it's just I have no,
• 26:23
  there's nothing redeeming about this pre patch event and if it
• 26:28
  happens every five seconds, I wouldn't care.
• 26:31
  It's just people want stuff on a vendor.
• 26:35
  So it's on a vendor, which means that they have to space it out
• 26:39
  in terms of how fast you can acquire it, which created like
• 26:43
  and like they could have done it as a scenario where these
• 26:49
  particular memories meant something.
• 26:51
  And you had a bit of a bit of story where it's like, oh, this
• 26:56
  is because this was an event and this was an event.
• 26:58
  And then you do all three events and having done all three
• 27:01
  events, regardless of how they show up, you're done with the
• 27:05
  with the patch and whether it shows up every 90 minutes.
• 27:07
  And I'm like, OK, which one is this coming up?
• 27:09
  OK, I want to be online for that.
• 27:11
  That would be something for for me because I'd, I'd go for the
• 27:14
  experience once and be done with it.
• 27:16
  But jumping from 1 area to another area to another area in
• 27:21
  a zone that I've been to a million times to fight stuff
• 27:24
  that I've done or ready to get a fresh coat of paint on a Wyvern
• 27:30
  model or some. Or like.
• 27:33
  I think the biggest thing that you can get out of this is the
• 27:36
  heirloom that you can piece together over the course of of
• 27:40
  doing this. And so do better Blizzard like
• 27:46
  you've they've done, they've done so much with the
• 27:53
  experimental modes of Mr. Pandaria remix of the
• 27:59
  Plunderstorm. And so it to me, a pre patch
• 28:03
  event is a great time to experiment because it's going to
• 28:07
  be there for a limited time anyways.
• 28:09
  And this was the most dialed in, uninspiring thing.
• 28:16
  And so, yeah, I haven't done it yet.
• 28:18
  I, I did it on the PTR. So I have experienced it.
• 28:22
  Not saying this blindly, but like it's live now.
• 28:27
  And I'm like, yeah, I got other things that I want to do with my
• 28:29
  time. And I've had people who are
• 28:30
  saying, Oh, the 90 minutes is stressful because similar to
• 28:34
  what you're saying, Lex, oh, it's over so fast.
• 28:36
  And then I, I, I have to wait 90 minutes.
• 28:39
  And maybe that doesn't work for you because 90 minutes is now
• 28:42
  dinner time or taking care of your kids or whatever real life
• 28:45
  thing that you have to, to deal with.
• 28:49
  But to that I say, like, what are you after out of this?
• 28:52
  It does any of this actually matter?
• 28:55
  You're going to replace every piece of gear in the next month
• 28:59
  or two months, however long it takes you to, to level, right?
• 29:03
  I guess if you're a pet collector or a mount collector.
• 29:06
  And, and, and that point, it's the same thing with the FOMO of
• 29:10
  the trading post where people like, I can't get everything.
• 29:13
  So all of this sucks. And it's like, I don't know,
• 29:15
  prioritize I guess. Yeah, I, I do.
• 29:19
  So obviously none of us are are super happy about the event.
• 29:23
  There are three things I would like to point out as being
• 29:26
  positives in the in the event itself #1 is there is a portal
• 29:32
  to each of the three zones in Dalaran.
• 29:35
  You don't have to mess around and find your way.
• 29:38
  Do the sorry Manny do the zone. You just go there and you port
• 29:41
  there. So that's one thing that is
• 29:42
  great. I love that makes it easy #2
• 29:45
  above each portal there is text that tells you how long that
• 29:50
  portal is active for. So when dragon blood is active,
• 29:53
  giant yellow text appears above the portal that says this will
• 29:56
  be active for one hour, 40 minutes or whatever, however
• 29:59
  long it is. That's great.
• 30:01
  There's no guessing. Yeah, no, Yeah.
• 30:03
  So one hour, 20 minutes. And then when you port there, if
• 30:07
  you port there early like I do, and you go straight to the spot
• 30:09
  where you're gonna have to kill the boss like I do, and you're
• 30:11
  waiting there ahead of time, there's text that says this boss
• 30:16
  will spawn in 15 minutes at this zone.
• 30:19
  All three of those things are great.
• 30:21
  And I also special shout out to the quest being available on all
• 30:26
  tunes from level 10 and up, the weekly quest, because that will
• 30:29
  allow you to hopefully get the radiant echoes faster without
• 30:34
  having to do the mindless ground.
• 30:36
  Because once the boss is dead, you can grind on the mobs in the
• 30:39
  area for more echoes after the fact.
• 30:42
  But you get like one to five per enemy kill.
• 30:46
  It's if you're doing that, I guess you're doing it.
• 30:51
  What's the experience game? Because you were asking what is
• 30:54
  this? Experience game is pretty high
• 30:57
  for for for characters level. So if I have like a level, let's
• 30:59
  say 60 something and I'm like, OK, I want to get it to 70 so I
• 31:04
  can go into the next expansion. I could use this to level and
• 31:08
  then as soon as I'm done levelling, boom, immediate bunch
• 31:10
  of 480 gear. Then go do all the events like
• 31:13
  you were saying to further increase it and I'll I'll feel
• 31:16
  pretty good. I think that's pretty decent.
• 31:20
  Yeah, except it's good experience once every 90
• 31:23
  minutes. Yeah, right.
• 31:25
  If you're going to level a character, you can level it
• 31:27
  faster in any other way. Can.
• 31:29
  You just queue for dungeons in between the stuff.
• 31:33
  You could, yeah you could, but then if you're so queuing for
• 31:38
  dungeons would be faster experience.
• 31:41
  The issue with waiting at the spot to tag on boss while
• 31:45
  queuing for dungeons for experience because you're going
• 31:47
  to hit a point where it's 15 minutes to the event.
• 31:51
  So do I queue for a dungeon and maybe miss the event or do I
• 31:54
  wait the 15 minutes to get the experience from the thing and
• 31:58
  then I've lost the experience? It's just faster to just spam
• 32:00
  dungeons. It's so it's not even a good
• 32:03
  leveling Ave. And in all honesty, if you're
• 32:05
  leveling a character right now, do it in remix.
• 32:08
  Delete whatever retail character you have and just restart it in
• 32:11
  mock remix. It's two hours.
• 32:14
  You'll go from 10 to 70 in the time it takes for one rift.
• 32:21
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 32:23
  This is yeah, yeah, I, I agree. I, I think I had a thought,
• 32:28
  which is maybe a little bit unfair of me to kind of go off
• 32:31
  of Manny's point about like all of the creative stuff that
• 32:34
  they're doing in other like with the Pandaland and Plunderstorm
• 32:39
  and things. And one of the things that I
• 32:42
  thought while I was looking at like what this, like even before
• 32:46
  I played. So again, I was being a little
• 32:47
  bit potentially unfair is that I, I wonder if one of the
• 32:55
  reasons that this is kind of milk toast is because they like,
• 33:01
  obviously they have a limited staff, right?
• 33:02
  And so there's a limited amount of creativity that you can
• 33:05
  realistically expect in any given period of time.
• 33:10
  And I would like the World of Warcraft team to remember that.
• 33:16
  Like, I love that they're doing creative stuff.
• 33:18
  I love that they're playing around.
• 33:19
  That's great. I pay for World of Warcraft,
• 33:22
  right? And so like, if the choice is
• 33:26
  giving me Plunderstorm or pulling the people off of
• 33:29
  Plunderstorm and giving me a really Great War within pre
• 33:34
  patch event, rather the pre patch event, right?
• 33:37
  Like, I think that's one of the reasons that like, and again,
• 33:39
  maybe I'm being unfair. I don't know why they made the
• 33:41
  decisions they did. I don't know why this is What
• 33:44
  like maybe they didn't. Maybe people have been sitting
• 33:45
  around on their thumbs doing nothing.
• 33:47
  I don't think so from what I've heard from people in Blizzard,
• 33:49
  but like, maybe, right, maybe it wasn't a, a, an issue of like
• 33:52
  where resources are being delegated.
• 33:55
  But I think it felt a little bad to me to see the Blizzard team
• 34:05
  or the World of Warcraft team do all of this creative stuff, but
• 34:10
  then kind of drop the ball on the content that I actually
• 34:15
  wanted, you know? Yeah, they, they raised the bar.
• 34:18
  What's what, what's what's happened?
• 34:20
  Like they've they've raised the bar and good on them for raising
• 34:23
  the bar. This fell short of it because it
• 34:26
  is much closer to what they've done in the past and that
• 34:28
  doesn't quite feel like it. It's up to the standards that
• 34:31
  they've been delivering on. So good on the team for actually
• 34:35
  causing that to be a thing. The last, the last thing I would
• 34:40
  like to look at is kind of pull it back to our previous previous
• 34:45
  story. We had this like catching you up
• 34:49
  sort of sort of cinematic that it was pulling from these
• 34:53
  various moments. It would be cool if if the
• 34:55
  memories were hey, here's a scenario of this important
• 34:59
  moment play through like a scenario version of when
• 35:02
  xylitath was released and when this happened and when this
• 35:05
  happened and then make the player be in that moment, even
• 35:09
  if it's with like AI don't know infinite dragon.
• 35:11
  That's like oh, this disturbance.
• 35:13
  I need to take you here and here and here to see it.
• 35:16
  I I think that like that might be something closer like they've
• 35:22
  got, they've shown that they do amazing scaling stuff with the
• 35:27
  Mr. Pandaria remix, and maybe if they've got a system built off
• 35:32
  of that, they could do something like that in the future.
• 35:35
  Just give me a night. Night Faye recap.
• 35:38
  Play that. Would be amazing yeah yeah.
• 35:45
  So I, I, I would like that. I don't think every, I don't
• 35:50
  think every patch thing needs to be a entire system of like,
• 35:55
  let's try and get people geared up faster.
• 35:58
  Because as you're saying, Sean, it looks like all of that has
• 36:01
  already been covered with things they already have in the game.
• 36:04
  So now they can focus this more on a special, special function.
• 36:10
  OK, any last thoughts or shall we step to our next story?
• 36:15
  Let's handle The Shadows Beneath, OK, because that is the
• 36:19
  other cinematic that showed up. Now.
• 36:23
  The Shadows Beneath is the official cinematic for The War
• 36:27
  Within. This is the thing that showed us
• 36:31
  like full CGI glimpse of where we're going to be going as we
• 36:37
  delve deep into and it was all the underground zones.
• 36:40
  There was no above ground. They really were trying to go
• 36:42
  with like the deep delving in here.
• 36:45
  We had the close up of some again, what I believe are going
• 36:51
  to be some very important characters.
• 36:54
  We had show show them like the the various places and then it
• 36:59
  kind of wrapped up with like the enemies.
• 37:02
  So we had the like going towards that creepy tunnel and if you
• 37:06
  look, you could see the little creepy qualities that's crawling
• 37:09
  up and down on the sides kind of framing it.
• 37:13
  And then you have like this silhouette and the arms start to
• 37:18
  outstretch. And I am sorry for anybody who
• 37:21
  has that arachnophobia. This was fully playing on it.
• 37:26
  But then we are introduced to Queen Ansarek and she is
• 37:32
  experimenting in front of what looks like a old God tentacle.
• 37:38
  I have suspicions like it's, it's something like there's like
• 37:43
  it might not be an old God itself because there were like
• 37:46
  different ligaments that were connected to the old gods that
• 37:48
  weren't specifically old gods. But she was experimenting on
• 37:52
  something with concussive. It could be a corrupted route to
• 37:55
  a world tree. It's fleshy.
• 37:58
  Like does the curse of flesh work on trees?
• 38:01
  I don't know. There's something there.
• 38:03
  There's speculation. I will tell you my speculation,
• 38:05
  but I've been hogging this. Tell me what your thoughts were.
• 38:09
  Sean, you just started. Let's have you start.
• 38:12
  Yeah, I'm going to start with Blizzard.
• 38:15
  How dare you. Who do you think you are,
• 38:18
  releasing this at midnight on a Friday?
• 38:22
  I was in bed, damn it. And before bed I like to flip
• 38:28
  through Twitter. I like to check Twitch if I
• 38:30
  usually find a nice cozy stream to put on and listen to while I
• 38:34
  lull away to Dream Town. And then I got a little
• 38:38
  notification. I have very few notifications
• 38:40
  turned out on my phone, but one of them is for the Warcraft
• 38:42
  Twitter team because those people put out straight fire.
• 38:46
  And I look, Oh my goodness, what is this whirlwind of emotions?
• 38:52
  I love that earth and that anvil, the big sound.
• 38:57
  Oh my God, so good. I am ready to die for Fair and
• 39:03
  Lothar. I will go to war for her today,
• 39:07
  right now in this moment yeah, that that scene of her armoring
• 39:13
  up incredible the heroneer. If that doesn't become a
• 39:18
  playable race, I will I will revolt.
• 39:20
  I want to make a heroneer and then the the pan in and the cut
• 39:25
  through was just like the big structure that looks almost like
• 39:28
  an egg on top of the. I love how the Nerubian
• 39:31
  structure is so the necropolises that we see from from the
• 39:35
  undead. I I really like that you can see
• 39:37
  that parallel this cinematic. Just this was like anyway, I was
• 39:44
  up till two thanks, Blizzard. It was so good.
• 39:48
  It was so good. Oh my God, to get the extended
• 39:51
  we got the glimpse. Sorry, Alexa, I'll stop here in
• 39:53
  a second. We got a glimpse of the hair in
• 39:55
  here doing her like, avatar dance in the previous trailer.
• 39:59
  But then to get to like the full, like, she's crawling in on
• 40:02
  all fours and she's like looking at the little dangly bit that
• 40:05
  was supposed to be bigger than it is.
• 40:06
  And it was just really well done.
• 40:10
  And you know, she coaxes the energy out of it and makes it
• 40:13
  dance. Oh my God, so good, so good. 10
• 40:15
  out of 10 no notes. Tara Gregory, I will send you 2
• 40:18
  Christmas cards. And I know Tara doesn't do these
• 40:22
  alone. He's not like by himself just
• 40:23
  wizarding these together, but cards for the team as well.
• 40:28
  That's Lex. Yeah.
• 40:31
  It good I really liked it too. I didn't do a super deep dive
• 40:39
  into like what it was telling me because I was in it for the
• 40:42
  vibes and the vibes are incredible.
• 40:43
  It like I'm hype as hell. I was losing my mind watching
• 40:47
  it. I think it's amazing.
• 40:49
  I think it's beautiful. It's stunning.
• 40:52
  World of Warcraft has always had incredible cinematics, but
• 40:55
  recently just the quality is I'm like, better than most movies.
• 41:00
  Like the the skills that these people have is is blowing my
• 41:03
  whole mind. Yeah.
• 41:06
  It was. It was.
• 41:07
  Amazing. I cannot wait for the war
• 41:09
  within. I'm in love, Valitath.
• 41:15
  I will. I will sell out out as Roth for
• 41:17
  you. Hit me up.
• 41:20
  All right. Well.
• 41:23
  There were people, obviously people generally loved it.
• 41:26
  There were some people who had some criticism.
• 41:27
  So let me let me throw some criticisms that I heard to be
• 41:32
  devil's advocate here and see what you think about them.
• 41:36
  One of the most repeated ones that I had come across was
• 41:41
  because of the darker tone, how dark it was and people were
• 41:45
  like, oh it doesn't feel like work after.
• 41:47
  It almost feels more like Diablo.
• 41:49
  So what's your thoughts towards that criticism?
• 41:54
  It's the trauma expansion. This is the PTSD expansion.
• 41:59
  It's going to be sad. Yeah, OK.
• 42:04
  How many of the people who said oh this darker tone doesn't feel
• 42:07
  like Warcraft have also said I wish Warcraft had more war?
• 42:11
  I don't. Know about that diagrams?
• 42:15
  I don't know, I just feel. Like Dragonfly was too light.
• 42:18
  Oh, it's too happy. It's too light.
• 42:19
  I don't feel like there's war in this one.
• 42:21
  And now they go darker. Oh, it's too dark.
• 42:23
  I don't want it so dark. Can we find somewhere in the
• 42:25
  middle? And and I get it.
• 42:27
  It did have Diablo esque vibes to it.
• 42:30
  The art style that the feel of it, sort of the music, the tone,
• 42:33
  all of it. It could have you you could have
• 42:34
  said, hey, this is a Diablo trailer.
• 42:36
  And I would have believed fair and low.
• 42:37
  There could be a crusader. I love her.
• 42:39
  I'll kill you. Yeah, but yeah, I mean,
• 42:45
  everybody has different tastes, right?
• 42:46
  Maybe you don't want a darker theme.
• 42:48
  Maybe you like when your games are more lighter and have a have
• 42:50
  a an easier touch and that those are like, that's not like you
• 42:55
  can't really contradict somebody's opinion.
• 42:58
  It's their opinion. But you know, I'm glad that Lex
• 43:02
  nailed it. Like it's the trauma expansion,
• 43:05
  you know what I mean? We're going in to deal with ETSD
• 43:08
  with and when we're going to deal with hilarious trauma that
• 43:11
  she has that was locked in a dagger for who knows how long,
• 43:15
  like that's going to mess you up.
• 43:17
  You know what I mean? Unlimited cosmic power, anybody
• 43:19
  living space that's not going to fly.
• 43:23
  So I guess my I don't have anything to say to that because
• 43:26
  if you don't like dark trailers, you're not going to.
• 43:29
  It's OK, you don't have to like it.
• 43:30
  You think there's a point where World Warcraft.
• 43:32
  Could be too dark or stay dark too long.
• 43:34
  We are in the first of a trilogy.
• 43:37
  If they're starting this dark, the next one's midnight.
• 43:40
  I can't imagine that's going to be light and carefree, right?
• 43:44
  Do you? Do you think they need to break
• 43:45
  it up somehow? And how would they do that?
• 43:50
  You end with a glimmer of hope. So you do, you know, Star Wars,
• 43:55
  the original trilogy was great at this.
• 43:57
  A New Hope was fantastic. It's, you know, the at the end
• 44:00
  of it, you feel, hey, we we've overcome, we've vanquished.
• 44:04
  And then Empire comes out and Empire ends in a very dark, very
• 44:07
  down and very somber tone. You could basically just mimic
• 44:10
  that, right? Like if you can't think of
• 44:11
  something better yourself, just steal something somebody did
• 44:14
  best. So we're going in, it's dark and
• 44:17
  on a glimmer of hope. Hey, things are looking good.
• 44:19
  But you know, we're doing OK. We're feeling good about this.
• 44:21
  Midnight hits where, you know, we're going back to Silver Moon.
• 44:24
  We're back to we've rebuilt Silver Moon, we rebuilt the exit
• 44:26
  are the Dre and I finally have a home.
• 44:28
  We're ending on a glimmer of hope.
• 44:29
  We're going into midnight and then let midnight end.
• 44:32
  You know, with us feeling like shit, they're making another
• 44:36
  Death Star. You know what I mean?
• 44:39
  Oh my God. Salat Hath is my mommy.
• 44:41
  Like she cuts off my hand and I'm all messed up.
• 44:46
  So anyway, yeah, you definitely want, you don't want to stay
• 44:49
  dark too long. I didn't find the trailer to be
• 44:51
  that dark. I find fair and Lothars.
• 44:54
  I find fair and Lothar to be. He is that light, you know,
• 44:58
  she's that light in the darkness when all of the lights fail,
• 45:00
  She's the lamplighter. She is the beacon.
• 45:02
  I will follow her, but to me, she is, there is no doctors,
• 45:06
  which is on the screen. You know what I mean?
• 45:07
  She is she's holding it back through sheer force of will and
• 45:12
  the heroin here, it looks like they're in tune with Azeroth.
• 45:14
  They they are the the protectors of Azeroth's soul, of the roots
• 45:19
  of the World Tree, a lot like. And so even for them, it's like
• 45:22
  the darkness is encroaching, but they're fighting back, fighting
• 45:24
  it back. But I didn't fight it to be that
• 45:26
  dark. And then Arubians obviously are
• 45:29
  terrifying. Personally.
• 45:31
  Yeah, you can say go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 45:33
  I was gonna. I was.
• 45:35
  Just gonna say, personally I think it should get darker
• 45:37
  because I'm selling ads. Roth out.
• 45:40
  I'm really in an interrupting mood today.
• 45:42
  That's not bad. No, that's OK.
• 45:44
  I get it. You're you're a void filled, a
• 45:48
  void filled vengeance dealer and you're, you're allowed to
• 45:50
  interrupt. Well, OK, well, Lex.
• 45:53
  While we've got you the mic here, what's your opinions on
• 45:57
  like how they can do the darkness and everything?
• 46:02
  Like do you feel that we can get much darker as you were saying,
• 46:06
  or like how do you accomplish that and still don't make it too
• 46:09
  gloomy? I guess I feel like personally,
• 46:23
  I appreciate the World of Warcraft is taking itself more
• 46:26
  seriously. I do think that like to some
• 46:31
  degree that's been a little bit of a, a issue I've had with like
• 46:36
  historical lore is that they're like trying to tackle dark,
• 46:40
  intense stuff, but like they kind of don't want to be too
• 46:44
  much into it. And so they try to like put
• 46:49
  their foot on both sides of the line.
• 46:52
  What that kind of means is that like when they're trying to be
• 46:55
  emotional, it doesn't really hit.
• 46:56
  And when they're trying to be lighthearted, it just feels like
• 46:59
  tacky to, to, to a degree, right?
• 47:02
  I, I think there's been a lot of really good lore and, and story
• 47:05
  and, and. Entertaining parts of.
• 47:08
  World of Warcraft, so I don't necessarily know.
• 47:15
  That I'm overly. Concerned it's going to be too
• 47:18
  dark frankly, I think that this is probably like they've they've
• 47:22
  spent the last 20 years just traumatizing the living hell out
• 47:25
  of these characters right like just putting them through the
• 47:28
  paces like like nobody can believe and so I think that if
• 47:34
  they're going to like try to wrap up these stories there's a
• 47:38
  point at. Which they do kind.
• 47:40
  Of need it to be emotional. And and real.
• 47:44
  Otherwise it feels silly. So I guess maybe I'm and.
• 47:51
  And, and to be fair, I. Really like Dragonflight, but
• 47:53
  like there were a couple moments in Dragonflight that I kind of
• 47:56
  felt like I was in a after school special right where I was
• 48:01
  like, oh, the friends we made along the way, which is fine.
• 48:05
  You're allowed to be an after school special.
• 48:06
  It's an MMO. They're allowed to be silly.
• 48:08
  It's not the end of the world, but I I don't know I personally
• 48:14
  I think that I mean so long as they don't go like lost.jpg
• 48:19
  levels of like grim dark where everything is just edgy and out
• 48:23
  of nowhere. This fun game has just become
• 48:25
  like the world as hell and nobody is ever happy and we all
• 48:29
  suffer. And I have spent every waking
• 48:33
  minute sobbing like I think if yeah, I think that if they keep
• 48:37
  hope in it, which has always been kind of World of Warcraft
• 48:40
  way, is that everything is hopeful and everything has a
• 48:45
  there's always the light, right? There's always something you're
• 48:47
  going for. So I don't I don't really, I'm
• 48:48
  not really afraid that they're going to lose that so long as
• 48:52
  they don't go full grim dark. I think that it it's good that
• 48:55
  they're, they're really feeling the feelings and they're really
• 48:58
  letting us experience the darkness personally.
• 49:02
  OK, Yeah. I, I, I tend to agree with you.
• 49:06
  I also feel that they've been very strategic about how they've
• 49:10
  gone through stuff like there's only one zone that's really dark
• 49:13
  in my opinion. And the fact that the main city
• 49:17
  is up on a very bright place means that like in between
• 49:22
  you're spelunking down into these things, you're always
• 49:23
  returning to this lighter, warmer environment.
• 49:26
  So I, I like the cinematic is meant to sell where we're going.
• 49:31
  And as you guys were saying with like the Star Wars thing, like
• 49:35
  you do need to like get these stakes rolling and dragon fight
• 49:40
  was really just a palate cleanser so that like it doesn't
• 49:44
  feel like we went from shadow lands to more pain to more pain.
• 49:48
  So I think Dragonflight is part of what makes this darker tone
• 49:52
  work because of that contrast. Now we do have a iTunes, thank
• 50:00
  you that I would love for actually, Lex, if you could take
• 50:05
  this one. Absolutely.
• 50:07
  This is from Adam T Jones. Was I, I I can say that, right?
• 50:11
  I'm not talking to somebody. Yeah, they they put the full
• 50:14
  name. Out on the Internet.
• 50:16
  We love it. Hi, Adam.
• 50:17
  Sorry. I don't celebrate the fact that
• 50:19
  you pronounced. It correctly what I think that's
• 50:26
  celebration number one Yeah no, you're right you're.
• 50:29
  Right, I didn't didn't need any help.
• 50:31
  I didn't say like, oh, that was wrong.
• 50:32
  And then try again multiple times.
• 50:34
  You're right, Sean. You're right, Adam.
• 50:35
  This is special for you. That that's the real, the real
• 50:38
  shout out here, Adam, question how many times Adam has had his
• 50:42
  name. Mispronounced, but sure.
• 50:45
  But also I want to say that. Adam and I are on a first name
• 50:47
  basis now. I don't know, maybe I should
• 50:48
  call him Jones Mr. Mr. Jones. Anyway, he says listen up
• 50:57
  besties because I'm about to tell you about this show in my
• 51:00
  non salty manifesto. I look forward to this
• 51:03
  notification every week because these guys are so Dang fun to
• 51:06
  listen to. Lex, Manny and Sean have great
• 51:08
  chemistry and knowledge on a wide range of topics in Azeroth
• 51:12
  and IRL. The show always puts a smile on
• 51:13
  my face with its fun antics and tangents.
• 51:15
  Can't wait to dive into The War Within soon with y'all.
• 51:18
  I love y'all Adam, we love you too.
• 51:20
  You always put a smile on our face.
• 51:23
  You are have great knowledge on what a specific example?
• 51:29
  Of when Adam put a smile on your face before this message well,
• 51:34
  I. I, I'm glad, first of all, I
• 51:37
  mean Adam, I don't know if I know Adam, like if, if this
• 51:40
  man's like in the if, if, if Adam is in the discord, I could
• 51:44
  give examples. I don't, I, I don't know.
• 51:47
  But I, because I talked to him for the first time, he hasn't
• 51:50
  been doxed before. I, I think the existence of
• 51:54
  beautiful the, the beautiful fans who we love and support
• 51:58
  like, but like, actually I, I, I'm coming across as facetious
• 52:02
  because I'm in a jokey mood, but like, yeah, genuinely.
• 52:07
  Like the fact that you. Guys, let us make this silly
• 52:10
  little podcast and listen to it and talk about it and let us
• 52:14
  talk in the Discord and let us talk on Twitter and give us all
• 52:18
  of these beautiful, amazing spaces to chat with people and
• 52:20
  connect with people is incredible.
• 52:23
  Like it's, it's genuinely amazing.
• 52:24
  And I know it sounds cliche and silly, but you guys bring so
• 52:30
  much joy and light in in supporting us and in engaging
• 52:34
  with us. And thank you.
• 52:37
  Thank you guys. Yeah, you, we have, we have
• 52:39
  incredible fans and we have an incredible community.
• 52:42
  And Adam, if you're not in the Discord, you should be in the
• 52:44
  Discord. It's a great discord.
• 52:47
  But yeah, we have a really beautiful community that that
• 52:50
  makes this wonderful. And they put a smile on my face
• 52:52
  all the time. Wow, I I dug a hole and you
• 52:56
  made. Something great out of it.
• 52:57
  Thanks. Thank you.
• 52:58
  Like OK, I'm. I'm offended that you think that
• 53:04
  Lex and I wouldn't be able to give you an example of a time
• 53:06
  that Adam made us both smile prior to this moment.
• 53:09
  I remember when the three of us sat down to have a drink one
• 53:12
  night to discuss the future of the show and where we thought it
• 53:16
  should go. When you just, you know, we
• 53:17
  threw out some feelers to some listeners and Adam was like,
• 53:19
  hey, I have some thoughts on what we could do for this intro
• 53:22
  piece at the beginning. And his suggestion was that we
• 53:27
  stopped making Sean go second. We thought we'd action that.
• 53:31
  And yeah, and then we tried to not introduce.
• 53:35
  Man at all? Yeah, we.
• 53:39
  Just completely wrap back the range.
• 53:42
  He was. Like kick him off.
• 53:44
  Oh, I see, I see. Well, thanks for the five star
• 53:46
  review, Adam. We will never speak again.
• 53:50
  That said, I haven't learned from my mistakes because I'm
• 53:53
  going to pass it over to Sean to talk about the next bit of news
• 53:56
  here. Oh.
• 53:58
  Boy, that's a beta notes. New news.
• 54:06
  We have lots of notes for the beta this week, some notes that
• 54:09
  came out early in the week by link C.
• 54:13
  She popped out and said, hey, we're going to give you some
• 54:14
  notes ahead of the new beta build prep you and get some
• 54:18
  feedback. I like that because she
• 54:20
  specifically said she was like, we're going to give you the
• 54:22
  notes ahead of time for early feedback.
• 54:25
  Basically, like we're going to give you this to chew on for a
• 54:28
  little bit so you guys can get all riled up and then get in
• 54:31
  there and test. Now I think they're doing it
• 54:35
  just to watch us froth at the mouth, but these notes were
• 54:38
  great, Universally loved by everybody except elemental
• 54:41
  shamans. Tank damage buffed across the
• 54:44
  board. So tanks, everybody got a damage
• 54:47
  buff. As a completely unbiased tank
• 54:51
  player, the game is better when tanks do more damage.
• 54:54
  When tanks are having fun, the game is more enjoyable.
• 54:57
  So that's a huge buff, a nerf that came in that I think every
• 55:04
  I won't say everybody, but I think a lot of people wanted was
• 55:07
  to augmentation evokers solving the augmentation puzzle is
• 55:11
  something that Blizzard is working with.
• 55:13
  They're still trying to figure it out as a community.
• 55:15
  I don't think anybody even has offered like a full hey, here's
• 55:18
  a great solution for how to fix it.
• 55:21
  But one of the steps that they did was to remove closest clutch
• 55:24
  mates which isn't a passive ability that used to make eben
• 55:29
  might stronger in five man content.
• 55:31
  The thought being in a raid you're buffing or DPS, but in a
• 55:34
  dungeon you're only buffing to DPS and then a tank and healer
• 55:37
  the closest clutch mates raised. It wasn't just everyone made
• 55:40
  that buffer. Ability to wasn't it?
• 55:41
  Evan might and. Eon's Breath.
• 55:45
  I believe by removing that buff in five man content you level
• 55:51
  the playing field a bit to where augmentation might not be a
• 55:55
  mandatory play in dungeons. If we're at the point that, and
• 56:00
  I don't think we will be by the time, but Mark, I'm going to
• 56:03
  call it now, July 31st, 9:31 PM in Atlantic Canada.
• 56:09
  By the end of season one of the War Within, we will not be in a
• 56:12
  state when the thing that determines how high keys can be
• 56:15
  pushed is one shot mechanics from the mobs.
• 56:19
  It'll be a point where these are the keycap is determined by how
• 56:23
  much you can pull and how fast you can clear the dungeon, which
• 56:25
  is where everybody wants it to. And we will be there.
• 56:29
  I because we're going to talk about some tuning in a minute,
• 56:31
  but they remove that buff. They also tweaked the buff that
• 56:36
  my gives. I think it's good.
• 56:38
  I think it's healthy and hopefully it's sort of addresses
• 56:42
  that issue that people have been having as well.
• 56:45
  There's some other things noted and this is important.
• 56:48
  You don't want to listen to this part because this was reported
• 56:52
  and then changed and one thing was clarified and another thing
• 56:55
  was removed. So this is the most again, July
• 56:58
  31st, 9:32 PM Atlantic Canada. This is the most up to date.
• 57:03
  We know we have on this mythic track in the War Within has 6
• 57:07
  upgrade levels as opposed to four that it has now to a cap of
• 57:11
  639. So that was reported.
• 57:14
  That is accurate. That is staying what was
• 57:17
  misreported. I won't say misreported, but
• 57:20
  what was reported and concerned about was the state of crafted
• 57:24
  items. Blizzard released a statement
• 57:27
  saying that the intention is for crafted items to go up to 636,
• 57:32
  so the power of crafted items in war within season one will be
• 57:36
  the same equivalent as it is in Dragonflight season three.
• 57:40
  It's one item level lower than the cap from mythic track.
• 57:47
  That's good, that's good news. And then there was a change
• 57:52
  where they had initially said they were going to cap end of
• 57:55
  dungeon loot from mythic plus at one of six hero track, which
• 58:00
  would have meant at the end of a plus 7A plus 8A plus 9 and a +
• 58:05
  10 you get a piece of equipment that is only ever going to be
• 58:09
  one out of six hero track. That has been removed from the
• 58:13
  notes. That is no longer the case.
• 58:16
  So that should go back to scaling similarly to how it does
• 58:18
  now is my guess. How it will scale is the is the
• 58:22
  guest part. The fact that the app has been
• 58:24
  removed is fact. And then the last major buff
• 58:28
  that I think is huge, and I'm actually surprised that it
• 58:32
  wasn't this way. After reading this, my brain was
• 58:34
  like, oh, why wasn't it always this way?
• 58:36
  Like this just makes so much sense.
• 58:38
  So good on Blizzard for making this change preemptively.
• 58:41
  The last two raid bosses not only drop 15 crests of the
• 58:45
  current level that you're doing, but they also drop 15 crests of
• 58:49
  the next level that you would get.
• 58:52
  So I'll use dragonfly terms because those are ones we're all
• 58:54
  used to. We're not used to using the
• 58:56
  gilded terms yet. So when you kill the final two
• 59:00
  bosses in heroic raid, you get 15 worm crests and 15 aspect
• 59:06
  crests from each boss with 30 and 30 total if you kill both.
• 59:10
  That change just makes so much sense, right?
• 59:12
  Like does that not Lex? Do you believe we lived this
• 59:15
  long without that? No, it's frankly if you told me
• 59:18
  that it. Existed already and I just
• 59:19
  didn't remember. I'd be like, yeah, it makes so
• 59:22
  much sense, yeah. And then one last big note from
• 59:28
  those beta note changes as they explained how the buff was going
• 59:30
  to work. So we had had in interviews they
• 59:32
  were saying was going to be a stacking buff that accumulates
• 59:35
  over time. It starts one month in.
• 59:38
  It's done by completing a weekly quest.
• 59:39
  If you don't start right away, it's a catch up mechanic, much
• 59:43
  like if you think of the Hellman chant from Amidrasil, you missed
• 59:46
  the first week. It's OK, you can, they're rising
• 59:48
  cap and you get them faster, so on and so forth.
• 59:51
  And it's war bound. But it's a raise.
• 59:52
  It's a it's a damage done and a healing done buff to a cap of
• 59:56
  18% which will help teams clear the raid faster.
• 1:00:00
  Not only will it help teams clear the raid faster, it helps
• 1:00:02
  some teams clear the raid at all and it also helps teams that
• 1:00:07
  have cleared the raid farm faster, which is something they
• 1:00:10
  want. It's an all around win.
• 1:00:12
  There's no way you can complain about this.
• 1:00:17
  And those are the those are the beta notes.
• 1:00:18
  I think I covered them all. Manny, I don't know if I was
• 1:00:20
  supposed to booger at the mic for that long, but I was really
• 1:00:22
  excited about that. I every week the beta notes come
• 1:00:25
  out and it's kind of like a little mini Christmas for me.
• 1:00:27
  I've had so many mini Christmases in the last two
• 1:00:29
  months. It's been great.
• 1:00:30
  Have you sent a card on me? You're gonna be so sad.
• 1:00:32
  When it's done. Have I said what every time?
• 1:00:34
  Have you sent the card though? Because you keep.
• 1:00:36
  Promising Christmas cards and you've had Christmas every week.
• 1:00:38
  I've not. Yeah, I've not sent a Christmas
• 1:00:41
  card every time. I guess I'm behind.
• 1:00:42
  Try you to sort that out. Yeah, Yeah, I've seen a lot of.
• 1:00:49
  People who are like augmentation Evoker is dead, this is it,
• 1:00:52
  nobody's going to use them anymore.
• 1:00:54
  I think people are still thinking back in Dragonflight
• 1:00:57
  terms. The reason that this nerf makes
• 1:01:00
  way more sense now than it did previously is that tank
• 1:01:05
  survivability matters more. And Aug and Aug vokers in mythic
• 1:01:09
  plus are actually buffing tanks healers and their throughput
• 1:01:13
  matters more. And augs are buffing healers
• 1:01:17
  where in a raid they're they're specifically preferring to buff
• 1:01:20
  DPS. So it's less less of a thing in
• 1:01:23
  there. The changes that they've made
• 1:01:26
  are right in line with lowering the defensive abilities of
• 1:01:31
  tanks, sorry, the defensive abilities of tanks and lower and
• 1:01:35
  lowering the effective healing of healers.
• 1:01:39
  If you left augment, they kind of undo some of those changes in
• 1:01:42
  the groups that they're in, which just makes them more
• 1:01:45
  necessary. And the last thing about the
• 1:01:50
  augmentation is that like you've said it before on the on the
• 1:01:56
  show, Sean, augmentation evokers are either godly in the right
• 1:02:01
  hands and just decent for people, or they're decent in the
• 1:02:06
  right hands and just trash for for most people.
• 1:02:11
  And I'm going to tell you, I've I've played with some people who
• 1:02:14
  have done an augmentation and they've been in in mythic and
• 1:02:18
  they've been in mythic plus, but I don't think I've ever played
• 1:02:20
  with people who have maximized augmentation as far as it can
• 1:02:25
  go. That requires A level of
• 1:02:27
  coordination that most people do not experience.
• 1:02:32
  And I think they like, augmentation's still going to be
• 1:02:35
  an issue until they like fundamentally go under the hood
• 1:02:39
  and adjust some things, make them tanks.
• 1:02:44
  I was going to say. Make the the buff just either
• 1:02:47
  flat so it doesn't matter on lining it up with cooldowns, or
• 1:02:50
  make it hit random people so that you can't do that kind of
• 1:02:53
  coordination. Then it becomes less of a
• 1:02:56
  coordination thing, which is what creates that huge delta.
• 1:02:59
  Anyways, I'm excited to see where things go.
• 1:03:03
  I think that this buff also had to happen, or rather this nerf
• 1:03:07
  also had to happen when you're handing out.
• 1:03:09
  I think the minimal buff I saw at the tank damage was like 10
• 1:03:14
  or 15% and it went up from there.
• 1:03:16
  And you don't do that then plus add 10% from closest clutch
• 1:03:20
  rates, plus then add an additional 8% from like where it
• 1:03:24
  was before. It's just like, geez, like
• 1:03:26
  anytime tank damage goes up. I guess you buffed Ogg the Ogg
• 1:03:30
  as well in mythic plus weirdly. Oh yeah, tank buffs are buffs
• 1:03:35
  for. Odds.
• 1:03:35
  That's a good point. Everybody's buffed.
• 1:03:38
  I told you, everyone's happier when tanks do damage.
• 1:03:41
  It will not this. Is actually one specific place
• 1:03:43
  that the auggies are not happy when tanks do damage because
• 1:03:46
  they get nerves. Tanks do damage that one person
• 1:03:50
  suffering. True, true.
• 1:03:54
  We'll see, I think. I think they will.
• 1:03:55
  Find a place, they've got the hero talent.
• 1:03:57
  I think that they're shifting more of augmentation into being
• 1:04:02
  able to deliver on its own with the bonus of augmenting and
• 1:04:07
  right. Now with.
• 1:04:09
  With the way things are in balance, I think that's kind of
• 1:04:11
  the way you need to go. Or you just need to have like 12
• 1:04:14
  additional buff buff classes that are fighting over spots.
• 1:04:20
  With that said. We've talked about how much
• 1:04:22
  augmentation has affected Mythic Plus, but Mythic Plus has gotten
• 1:04:27
  some more changes. So I've handed stuff to Lex,
• 1:04:29
  I've handed stuff to to Sean. I'll take care of this last bit
• 1:04:32
  myself here. Mythic Plus got an additional
• 1:04:37
  article that covered changes specifically about keystone
• 1:04:40
  dungeons. We have a new affix going in the
• 1:04:45
  rotation for Xalatas Bargain and that is Devour.
• 1:04:50
  So this affix works that while you're in combat Zalataf tears
• 1:04:53
  open a rift that devours the essence of players.
• 1:04:58
  Basically over 15 seconds this rift gets stronger and heals
• 1:05:02
  enemies. Then if you're able to have the
• 1:05:07
  rift collapse if it's dispelled or if he if players are healed
• 1:05:12
  for enough, it grants all players critical strike and Max
• 1:05:18
  health for a period of time. This is weird.
• 1:05:23
  It's afflicted. It's kind of.
• 1:05:25
  Afflicted. I also don't like that it's
• 1:05:29
  another healer ethics. Like kind of like we, we were
• 1:05:33
  just getting away from, we were getting away from huh.
• 1:05:36
  It's 100%. It's it's afflicted.
• 1:05:38
  It's literally just afflicted, but you get crap when you do the
• 1:05:40
  dispelled No right now. OK, other classes can.
• 1:05:43
  Dispel it like other classes have, you know, vampiric or
• 1:05:48
  other stuff to heal to help to help the healer in this place.
• 1:05:51
  If you're a shaman and you start using ancestral guidance to work
• 1:05:55
  work off of this, then you're you're still doing damage don't
• 1:05:57
  have to change your rotation pretty much at all and still
• 1:06:01
  work towards this. So there's like there's ways
• 1:06:04
  that people can help rather than with afflicted where you had to
• 1:06:07
  turn and and help and go off your rotation.
• 1:06:11
  It's not quite I see. Your other classes have dispels
• 1:06:16
  and I raise you. Everybody could have killed
• 1:06:18
  explosives. And whose job was it?
• 1:06:20
  I know I. Know OK, but that's why I don't.
• 1:06:24
  Like it because it's. So focused on healers.
• 1:06:26
  Sorry. Go ahead.
• 1:06:26
  Thanks I. Actually, as a healer.
• 1:06:29
  I would want to look at numbers. I'd want to look at tuning
• 1:06:31
  before I make a statement. I'm not overly fussed by this
• 1:06:36
  because it gives me a back door which is just heal the hell out
• 1:06:39
  of my team, right? Like if I either have my dispel
• 1:06:42
  on cooldown or I forget or I'm just overwhelmed.
• 1:06:44
  Like I actually actually, I'm, I think that's a really good
• 1:06:47
  backdoor because one of the things that's most frustrating
• 1:06:49
  about healer ethics is, is that if you are in a situation where
• 1:06:53
  your team is dying and then like they're also like you have to go
• 1:06:55
  run around and you have to use all of your GCDS to deal with
• 1:06:58
  the explosives or you have to go like put that like dispel this
• 1:07:01
  thing or go do that. I'm like, you were like, but my
• 1:07:02
  team is dying. This ethics actually makes it so
• 1:07:05
  you can like if your team is dying, great, you did the ethics
• 1:07:09
  right, Pop a cooldown, you're done.
• 1:07:11
  You're good clean. It's done.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah. I mean, if your team is dying,
• 1:07:16
  you'd use one global dispel and you'd give everybody battle show
• 1:07:20
  10% extra health. Yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah. There you go it.
• 1:07:22
  Works only either way. Yeah, yeah, it's good.
• 1:07:25
  It's. It's good, but it's afflicted.
• 1:07:27
  It's what did afflicted do when you?
• 1:07:31
  When you successfully double. If you oh nothing, it just
• 1:07:36
  didn't do its thing, it's a bad thing.
• 1:07:38
  So it says kiss curse. So it's at least.
• 1:07:40
  The kiss helps a bit to allow healers to be like, OK, I need
• 1:07:44
  to focus on healing, so I'm going to pop cool down to heal
• 1:07:47
  and then they'll get the extra health on top and the crit
• 1:07:50
  right? Or and like Lex mentioned I
• 1:07:52
  think. Too is important.
• 1:07:53
  If you've used your dispel, is there a time where you got to
• 1:07:55
  use your dispel right? You use your dispel this, but
• 1:07:58
  this also has a 15 second cast timer.
• 1:08:01
  You have 15 seconds to do it. So even if you used, you're
• 1:08:04
  dispelled just before it spawned.
• 1:08:06
  You'd be able to dispel it, but again before it before the cast
• 1:08:10
  time was done. I have a question for people who
• 1:08:12
  are better. At reading notes than me the
• 1:08:15
  first part says Xylitath tears open rifts with an S and then it
• 1:08:20
  says the rift with AT unleashes its energy after 15 seconds.
• 1:08:26
  Is it is are there multiple times you will?
• 1:08:28
  Open one rift at a time. Gotcha.
• 1:08:30
  We're so down. We're so.
• 1:08:31
  Back. We're so continuously open
• 1:08:33
  rifts. There will only be one rift open
• 1:08:35
  active at a time. Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Oh, then I mean to be. Fair, it has a back door but
• 1:08:39
  like. I mean, assuming that she's not
• 1:08:43
  casting it. On me for two seconds.
• 1:08:44
  You're gonna dispel it, right? Like I mean like your dispel
• 1:08:46
  could be. Being used on some sort of
• 1:08:49
  mechanic in the dungeon at the time.
• 1:08:51
  So you're like, OK, I have to use the spell on this.
• 1:08:53
  I'm sorry. I've like, the only other way is
• 1:08:56
  to heal, right? Yeah.
• 1:08:58
  Make sure that I keep forgetting.
• 1:08:59
  It is. Some of you guys don't have to
• 1:09:01
  spell and also mask to spell, so you guys have to only have one
• 1:09:05
  spell. Oh, I've got so many ways to.
• 1:09:06
  Dispel. I'm a priest.
• 1:09:08
  I need you to kick this cast, please.
• 1:09:11
  It's also not a. Binary fail.
• 1:09:13
  Story that was uncalled for. No, I mean, I guess if you don't
• 1:09:19
  dispel it, you just extend the combat with that pack because
• 1:09:22
  it's going to heal them all. Yeah, right.
• 1:09:24
  Well. And I think because it's healing
• 1:09:26
  the pack, yeah. But I feel because it's.
• 1:09:29
  Healing the pack your team is going to be more invested in.
• 1:09:31
  Like I was just trying to DPS. It's like, yeah, but you're
• 1:09:34
  effectively doing less, less than if you had turned and done
• 1:09:38
  that like in in a coordinated team.
• 1:09:41
  I know in the pug world, people could be like, I don't need to
• 1:09:44
  use any of my CC or utility, that's the other person's job
• 1:09:48
  and I'm not going to put on my bars.
• 1:09:49
  And you know what, that's the pug life.
• 1:09:51
  So be it. However, right, the fact that
• 1:09:55
  it's not a binary fail state that it could go on for a little
• 1:09:58
  bit that it is constantly in people's faces of bars not going
• 1:10:03
  down as quickly as it's going up.
• 1:10:05
  Maybe I should do something about it might be the push
• 1:10:08
  people need to be like, hey, you know what I could be more
• 1:10:11
  effective here. Like it is in your face.
• 1:10:13
  It's not like a oh, it went off who who should have done that,
• 1:10:17
  right? And I know that there are going
• 1:10:19
  to be people who are going to be stubborn and those people will
• 1:10:22
  exist. This thing could be a DPS
• 1:10:24
  mechanic and people will just blame another DPS.
• 1:10:27
  This thing could be a tank mechanic and people would be
• 1:10:31
  yeah, right. This could be a tank mechanic
• 1:10:34
  and and the tanks would be like, I was too busy DPS use a cool
• 1:10:38
  down and deal with it. There's always going to be
• 1:10:40
  somebody else to blame and I can't I I can't ask the
• 1:10:43
  designers to take all that into account, but there's so much
• 1:10:46
  that pushes the behaviour in the right direction for this that I
• 1:10:48
  don't want to say it's strict afflicted.
• 1:10:50
  It's like afflicted but inflicted 3 point O.
• 1:10:54
  It's afflicted coded. Oh.
• 1:10:57
  Sorry, I'm reading. I really should have read this
• 1:10:59
  before we did the show and I didn't really read.
• 1:11:02
  I thought I did, but I didn't. I am interested in the.
• 1:11:07
  Fact that players receive enough healing as a as a back door to
• 1:11:10
  get this done then. Also it heals much maximum
• 1:11:14
  health. So like, who's wasting their
• 1:11:15
  mana healing the party? I think this is sorry.
• 1:11:18
  I, I, I interrupted because I got excited because I read the
• 1:11:21
  notes. I I don't.
• 1:11:25
  Fully understand the back door. Now I think that this is gonna
• 1:11:28
  be a dispelled mechanic, so you're in a.
• 1:11:32
  Fight right? You primarily wanna dispel it.
• 1:11:38
  That seems like the most efficient way of going about it.
• 1:11:40
  However you're taking damage. It's a it's a big boss fight.
• 1:11:44
  You're taking damage. Rather than be torn between the
• 1:11:47
  two, your back door is I need to focus on healing.
• 1:11:50
  And because you do enough healing in that period of time,
• 1:11:53
  you automatically shut down the rift, increase everybody's
• 1:11:56
  maxima HP because it's still a damage event.
• 1:11:58
  If you did it in the in the the period of time and now people
• 1:12:02
  are in a safe spot and you didn't need to switch, focus on
• 1:12:06
  this rift, I think. You still I think.
• 1:12:10
  You still dispel, you use the global to dispel to give them
• 1:12:13
  the extra health you increase. You won't.
• 1:12:15
  You won't just increase their Max health.
• 1:12:16
  Their health will go up by that amount as well.
• 1:12:19
  It'll work the same as Rally I I I.
• 1:12:23
  Misread, I thought. That you were getting to Max
• 1:12:25
  health. Yeah, like if you.
• 1:12:26
  If it's a. If it's a.
• 1:12:27
  Rally, cuz like rally is that like increases your maximum
• 1:12:30
  health and then the health that you're currently at by that same
• 1:12:32
  amount yeah and then when it falls off you.
• 1:12:35
  Lose it. So you it's it's ADR, it's just
• 1:12:37
  ADR. So you use it, you get that Dr. benefit from it, and then
• 1:12:41
  once it's gone, it's gone. But the healers have to have you
• 1:12:43
  topped up by then. So in this case, in the
• 1:12:45
  situation that we're describing where heavy, heavy damage
• 1:12:47
  happening to the party for whatever reason, this thing
• 1:12:50
  spawns, that's actually a savior to a healer.
• 1:12:52
  That's like, oh shit, I don't know, I got a free rally.
• 1:12:54
  You're going to dispel. Everybody's health is going to
• 1:12:55
  go up. I'll say 10%.
• 1:12:56
  We don't have any numbers. That's a guess.
• 1:12:58
  Please, if this comes out and it's not 10%, don't write a
• 1:13:00
  bunch of hate mail before Azeroth.
• 1:13:01
  And if you do, it's spelled TRUVILLAINMANNY.
• 1:13:07
  That is actually my e-mail. Thanks a lot.
• 1:13:15
  Well, I didn't tell them it was at yahoo.com.
• 1:13:17
  So then you're going, you're going to dispel.
• 1:13:21
  Everybody gets that health bump up, they get a free rally, so to
• 1:13:23
  speak, and then you're going to jump into your OK, I'm doing my
• 1:13:26
  frantic divine Hemming or whatever it is that I'm doing to
• 1:13:29
  bring people's life up, feathering and running in a
• 1:13:31
  circle and clapping while I'm asked to spell.
• 1:13:33
  Yeah, exactly. I will.
• 1:13:35
  Say, actually, the more I think about this, I kind of wish they
• 1:13:39
  made it a little more interesting.
• 1:13:44
  Because just just fell and get grid strike and.
• 1:13:46
  Max House. Like that's easy.
• 1:13:49
  Give me give me something that is gonna be the least popular
• 1:13:52
  take I've ever made. And quite frankly, if they do
• 1:13:54
  that, I will probably whine about it unendingly on this
• 1:13:58
  podcast. I'd like to make that clear.
• 1:13:59
  I know that I'm wrong about this, but I do kind of wish they
• 1:14:03
  make it a little more exciting. OK, OK.
• 1:14:07
  Well, we'll just see. He wants to kick me off now.
• 1:14:10
  I gotta be honest with you. Sean doesn't care because I'll
• 1:14:12
  never see this because I'll be doing keys above 12.
• 1:14:17
  You'll need to deal with it as you're getting up to that point.
• 1:14:21
  We'll see. We'll see.
• 1:14:22
  Yeah. Did they say what the rotation
• 1:14:23
  is? Is it every week that this
• 1:14:25
  switches? We don't even know how many.
• 1:14:27
  Affixes there are yeah, they keep introducing new.
• 1:14:29
  Ones this is now this is the 4th.
• 1:14:31
  I assume it'll. Be one a week.
• 1:14:34
  That's my, that's my guess, if I had to guess so that people have
• 1:14:39
  some consistency. Yeah, I'm going to go into that.
• 1:14:42
  So if we have 4 and, and, and to be fully clear, full
• 1:14:45
  transparency here, I think so far all of the Zealotath
• 1:14:49
  bargains have been decent. I, you know, I, I jokingly
• 1:14:53
  equated this to afflicted. I do think it's sort of
• 1:14:55
  afflicted coded, but having a mob that appears once that this
• 1:14:59
  one person has to dispel, whether it's the healer or your,
• 1:15:03
  you know, Domino's running poison coding total or whatever
• 1:15:05
  it is, I don't think it's a bad ethics.
• 1:15:09
  And then everybody gets a little bump of health and crit right
• 1:15:11
  on. Let's rock'n'roll.
• 1:15:14
  I think so far all of them have been good.
• 1:15:17
  All right, moving. Along because that was only the
• 1:15:19
  first of the mythic plus changes, we have an absolute
• 1:15:22
  Sean coded change. Sean, tell us about this one.
• 1:15:27
  Yeah, I have been complaining. About how hard it is to not in
• 1:15:30
  Mr. Turner Scythe since the beta came out because you had to be a
• 1:15:35
  Tauren, a high mountain tauren, a night elf, a druid, or an
• 1:15:40
  herbalist with skill of 25 or higher in order to activate the
• 1:15:45
  nut in Mr. Turner Scythe. Which is for those of you who
• 1:15:48
  don't know, that's your skip. You kill a boss, you touch the
• 1:15:50
  nut, you can now skip to that point.
• 1:15:52
  When you die, you released right there.
• 1:15:55
  It was sad. You've been pretty fast with the
• 1:15:57
  nuts. It's.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah, well, but I had to go in and love my herbalism.
• 1:16:01
  I don't normally play herbalism, so going in, I wouldn't be able
• 1:16:05
  to, I wouldn't be able to do that.
• 1:16:07
  So I would be constantly bringing my parity with somebody
• 1:16:09
  who was nuttable. And so this change completely
• 1:16:14
  fixes it. It is now there is no longer an
• 1:16:18
  activation required for the depleted.
• 1:16:20
  They're actually anima seeds. Sorry I misspoke depleted.
• 1:16:23
  And they look, they look like little acorns, little nuts look
• 1:16:25
  like so they do. So they're a depleted anima seed
• 1:16:29
  and they have removed the requirement to interact with it.
• 1:16:33
  So now you will kill a boss and and then they will just insta
• 1:16:36
  activate the depleted anima seed.
• 1:16:39
  It's the healer. It's going to be the healer.
• 1:16:41
  Everybody else, rush in DPS healer, you have no nobody.
• 1:16:45
  Has to click it. There is no longer an interact
• 1:16:48
  required. There's no condition on the.
• 1:16:51
  Interact. You still have to click it.
• 1:16:54
  The exact note is that they removed all conditions required,
• 1:16:58
  so you somebody still needs to run and activate it as it says
• 1:17:02
  it no longer has an interact. Oh yeah, then it's the healer.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah, then it's the healer. Everyone.
• 1:17:06
  Else is going to run and do the disk damage in the healer.
• 1:17:10
  I read that as I read. That as no interact condition
• 1:17:13
  meant that it just auto activated.
• 1:17:15
  But I see what you're saying, you're saying that it means
• 1:17:17
  there's no require anybody can activate.
• 1:17:20
  This is good. We can on that anybody cannot
• 1:17:22
  now, so you can bring whoever you want to miss the chain of
• 1:17:24
  scythe, but it's going to be the healers.
• 1:17:27
  Our healers are going to be our nutters for sure There you go
• 1:17:31
  yeah, but it's a great change because this I know they added
• 1:17:35
  the ways you could do it, but it is still a restriction that
• 1:17:37
  would become prohibitive. You still need, by all accounts,
• 1:17:40
  you still need a torrent, a high mountain torrent, a night alpha
• 1:17:44
  druid, an herbalist, or that's all of them to activate the skip
• 1:17:49
  at the beginning. But you're going to want to do
• 1:17:50
  because that's the most efficient passing to take and
• 1:17:55
  also to activate the opening where you can all do mushrooms
• 1:17:59
  and get the benefits from that. But you'll still want those
• 1:18:03
  people in there for that. But it's not going to be a deal
• 1:18:05
  breaker. You're not going to be like I'm
• 1:18:07
  doing my weekly 10 and I don't have one of those things.
• 1:18:09
  You'll just work around it. I still.
• 1:18:11
  Think I still think they should add in the.
• 1:18:14
  Those with the condition do it faster, but you can still do it.
• 1:18:17
  If that would have been a good change, yeah.
• 1:18:20
  No, I mean like these nuts. Yeah, because.
• 1:18:22
  They're skipped and it's so punishing to get sent all the
• 1:18:24
  way back to beginning. I like this change.
• 1:18:27
  I just think for the the, the wall, the vine wall, just like
• 1:18:31
  nimble fingers, man, just let somebody nut faster moving
• 1:18:34
  forward. We've got sorry, Alex, I'm so
• 1:18:37
  sorry. Can I just say?
• 1:18:41
  I held back so many salads. Halves to Bower jokes because I
• 1:18:45
  respect the fact that we don't have an explicit tag.
• 1:18:50
  I don't know for the audience who's cute.
• 1:18:53
  Alexa's just been just clamped over her mouth the entire time.
• 1:19:00
  I'm not sure I understand the reference.
• 1:19:01
  Why did we say something? No.
• 1:19:06
  But we tell you when rules are. Shown.
• 1:19:07
  I just want to let everyone know that.
• 1:19:09
  I was being respectful for no apparent one.
• 1:19:12
  Gotcha. Gotcha.
• 1:19:13
  Yeah, OK. That makes sense, but this is a.
• 1:19:16
  Very intense, extensive note. They went through all of these
• 1:19:21
  dungeons and they made major changes.
• 1:19:24
  A lot of the abilities that the NPCS could use are not as
• 1:19:28
  spammable. They have longer cooldowns in
• 1:19:30
  between usage. A lot of abilities just had to
• 1:19:32
  damage straight out gutted so that with this new tank set up
• 1:19:39
  and with the new way that they're doing things, you're
• 1:19:41
  just going to have less damage in general from repeated
• 1:19:47
  abilities and from damage overall.
• 1:19:49
  So it's it's a big post again, check out our show notes for it.
• 1:19:54
  I'm happy that they they did this.
• 1:19:57
  They had said as much when they did the tank changes that they
• 1:20:00
  were going to see the feedback, see the data and adjust the
• 1:20:04
  dungeons accordingly. This is this is great.
• 1:20:07
  And I think this goes right to what Sean was saying that what
• 1:20:10
  is going to most likely be the. The racer's edge for Mythic Plus
• 1:20:19
  is how much you can pull without getting yourself into an
• 1:20:22
  untenable situation to get to those highest keys.
• 1:20:25
  Because eventually people are going to cap out on how much
• 1:20:28
  damage they're able to do. But I also think that's going to
• 1:20:33
  be scary because that's once again going to benefit the
• 1:20:36
  classes with the uncapped AOE. Please, Blizzard, can we, can we
• 1:20:40
  do something about that? These changes are great.
• 1:20:44
  We said it on we said it here on the show.
• 1:20:46
  I said it anywhere anybody will listen to me at the drive
• 1:20:50
  through, at the Wendy's, everywhere it does.
• 1:20:52
  The tuning doesn't happen in a bubble.
• 1:20:54
  It's not, you know, tanks are tuned.
• 1:20:57
  That's it. Good luck.
• 1:20:58
  It's everything happened and this is exactly we said, they
• 1:21:00
  said. We said every, you know, anybody
• 1:21:04
  who wasn't in full doomer mode knew that this was going to
• 1:21:07
  happen thing the damage abilities were going to get
• 1:21:10
  tuned down and they did. And it's all stuff that was like
• 1:21:12
  crazy. And this podcast is not in the
• 1:21:15
  market of picking the meta we would never deem to do that.
• 1:21:20
  However, Brought Warrior got substantial buffs, their damage.
• 1:21:27
  And if you look through a lot of these changes, they added the
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  ability to block a lot of these abilities that were doing
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  massive damage to other tanks, which means Brought Warrior will
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  not handle them quite well. The interest in why?
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  It's so random that you would think the Proud Warrior is going
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  to be one of the best tanks, right?
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  Like that one just coming out of nowhere.
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  I. Know it's strange it's just a
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  feeling I have that they might do well and more importantly,
• 1:21:58
  the mountain fame proud warrior play style loop is a lot of fun
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  because you're basically just spamming shield slam and Thunder
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  clap. You don't have to hit revenge
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  because those Thunder claps are all empowered by the thane
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  abilities. So they're all Thunder blasts.
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  So it's this feedback loop of I'm shield slamming, I'm Thunder
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  blasting, I'm shield slamming, I'm Thunder blasting, it's
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  resetting shield slam, so I'm still slamming again, but then
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  all of your rage can just get dumped into ignore pain and
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  shield block. So while you're doing this, this
• 1:22:24
  fun loop of I'm blasting, I'm blasting, I'm blasting.
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  You're dumping your rage into the abilities that make you
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  tankier. Though it's I don't think it's
• 1:22:32
  going to get nerfed and I don't, if anybody from Blizzard listens
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  to the show, ignore all of this. I don't really know what I'm
• 1:22:39
  talking about. Don't nerf flood.
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  Night, blood, death nights. But I think Brock Powdens, if
• 1:22:44
  you're if you are, I'm sorry, if you're a pro warrior going into
• 1:22:47
  the war within think you're going to have a good time in
• 1:22:49
  season one, or at least the first half of the season until
• 1:22:53
  things happened. Sir, this is a Wendy's.
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  Are you gonna? Place your order.
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  Yeah, can I get a Baconator and with a medium sized fries and a
• 1:23:02
  chocolate fries? You know what?
• 1:23:04
  All right. Show is over folks.
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  I'm getting food. Until next time, may all your
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  hits be goods.