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Episode 14: Deena Kastor, Marathoner & American Record Holder · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hurdle Emily. Here, guys, I have been
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  Speaker 1: on a whirlwind past few weeks. It started in London
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  Speaker 1: the day after my birthday, where this episode was actually recorded,
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  Speaker 1: and since then I've been back to New York for
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  Speaker 1: less than twelve hours, then to Veil for the GoPro
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  Speaker 1: Mountain Games, and then to Los Angeles for a week
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  Speaker 1: Lessons learned. Let's see here, I actually really really loved London.
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  Speaker 1: I need to get back their asap. There's such a
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  Speaker 1: thing as freestyle kayaking, which is absolutely unreal to see
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  Speaker 1: in person, andone else sunburns are the worst anyway. This
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  Speaker 1: episode Dina Caster. She's a household name in the world
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  Speaker 1: of running, a champion marathon or a New York Times
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  Speaker 1: best selling author of her newer book, Let Your Mind Run.
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  Speaker 1: When she arrived in China for the Beijing Olympics in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, she was so so ready to
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  Speaker 1: crush the competition, but three miles into her race, the
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  Speaker 1: A six backed pro felt something snap in her right foot,
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  Speaker 1: which caused her to fall to the ground and drop
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  Speaker 1: out of the race ouch. In today's episode, she tells
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  Speaker 1: me why she's so thankful for that devastating injury, and
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  Speaker 1: then she shares a lot of super interesting insight into
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  Speaker 1: the mental tricks and mantras that contribute to wait for it,
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  Speaker 1: her outstanding five twenty mile marathon pace. I said to
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  Speaker 1: her in the episode, I can barely walk from my
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  Speaker 1: bed to the bathroom in five minutes and twenty seconds.
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  Speaker 1: She also shares essential advice for regner runners. Definitely some
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  Speaker 1: stuff I wish I knew when I was getting into
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  Speaker 1: the sport. Also, I feel like it's super important just
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  Speaker 1: to chat a little bit more about what I do
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  Speaker 1: when I'm not over here on the pod. I've told
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  Speaker 1: you guys before. In addition to being a certified trainer
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  Speaker 1: and a run coach, I'm also a freelance writer and
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  Speaker 1: editor for a bunch of different publications, ranging from GQ
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  Speaker 1: and Shape to Pop Sugar, Well and Good Self Cosmopolitan.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of if they have a wellness category, I am
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  Speaker 1: likely pitching them content and so because of that, I
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  Speaker 1: have really excellent relationships with a lot of different brands
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  Speaker 1: and companies. So when they launch new products or have
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  Speaker 1: exciting things going on, oftentimes they'll reach out to the
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  Speaker 1: members of the media to put together what is commonly
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  Speaker 1: referred to as a press trip, and that's just a
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  Speaker 1: fun activation anywhere in the country or anywhere in the world. Really.
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  Speaker 1: Last year I went to Hawaii and watched Ironman in Kona.
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  Speaker 1: I have been to Hong Kong, Dublin, Ireland to run
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  Speaker 1: a marathon, Germany, to check out Adidas headquarters, domestically, oh goodness, everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: Nantucket to your Valley, New Mexico, Los Angeles. So many
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  Speaker 1: times the list feels endless and I feel so so
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  Speaker 1: blessed that this is a part of what I do.
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  Speaker 1: This trip to London, where I mentioned we recorded the
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  Speaker 1: podcast with Dina, was with AAIs over there. They were
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  Speaker 1: conducting a science experiment where we tested out running in
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  Speaker 1: the dark versus running in the light on a track.
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  Speaker 1: And also we celebrated a new iteration of their fan
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  Speaker 1: favorite shoe, the jail Kayano twenty five. So again, a
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  Speaker 1: huge thanks to A six for this opportunity. I just
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  Speaker 1: always want to make sure I am being transparent and
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  Speaker 1: upfront with all of you. I think that's it. That
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  Speaker 1: about sums it up. As always. Don't forget to rate
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  Speaker 1: and review Hurdle in the iTunes store. Follow along with
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  Speaker 1: the pod on social media. At Hurdle Podcast and shoot
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  Speaker 1: me a note if you ever have any questions or
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  Speaker 1: just want to say hi, Emily at Hurdle dot us.
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  Speaker 1: And with that, let's get to hurdling. I'm sitting here
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  Speaker 1: today with Dina Caster. She is an Olympic medalist, American
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  Speaker 1: record holder for the marathon. I'm like totally fangirling over
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  Speaker 1: this and also a New York Times best selling author
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  Speaker 1: of her new book, let Your Mind Run, which just
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  Speaker 1: came out in April.
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  Speaker 2: That's outstanding, it really is, and the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: giving really all authors that podium, like every athlete strives
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  Speaker 2: to be on the podium of the Olympic Games. And
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  Speaker 2: this is really the Olympics of writing. It's like the
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  Speaker 2: adult Olympics of adult Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the last time I saw you was four year
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  Speaker 1: book launch in New York City. I am a little
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  Speaker 1: geeking out over the fact that we're sitting in London
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are across the pond, as they say, and
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  Speaker 2: just amazing here that a six brought us to such
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  Speaker 2: an amazing event.
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  Speaker 3: A challenge. They're calling it.
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  Speaker 2: The ASEX Blackout, which is in essence, taking over a
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  Speaker 2: warehouse and making a makeshift track there with no light,
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  Speaker 2: no sound. You're basically just getting on the track to
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  Speaker 2: run a ten k with no outside influences. I even
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  Speaker 2: got wanded to make sure that I wasn't wearing a
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  Speaker 2: watch or any type of implement that could give me
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  Speaker 2: any information out there. So it was really an amazing
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  Speaker 2: experience to run with the freedom of not having any
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  Speaker 2: sense of pace or time or distance, and even so
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  Speaker 2: much that you couldn't see scenery passing you by, so
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't have a perception of pace or distance or time.
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  Speaker 2: It just felt like I was running in this circle
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  Speaker 2: and it felt neither.
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  Speaker 3: Fast nor slow. It didn't go by quickly nor slowly.
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  Speaker 2: It just felt like this lovely meditation, which I think
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  Speaker 2: comes back to the grounding that running can give us.
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  Speaker 2: And A six is an acronym for on a masana
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  Speaker 2: incorporate sauna, which is a sound mind and a sound body.
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  Speaker 2: So they're just staying true to that foundation.
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  Speaker 1: You say that acronym better than anyone I've ever heard
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  Speaker 1: am before. aDNA is also an ASEX sponsored athlete.
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  Speaker 2: I feel very privileged to have been with this company
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  Speaker 2: for eighteen years, so I feel like they're family to
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  Speaker 2: meet by now.
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  Speaker 1: Two things. First of all, did you know that they
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  Speaker 1: refer to running without a sport watch or any technology
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  Speaker 1: as naked. I just used air quotes for those listening
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  Speaker 1: at home running naked naked? OK. And I had worked
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  Speaker 1: with an editor at Woman's Health and she asked me
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  Speaker 1: if I wanted to write a story about running naked,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know if I where do I go for that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should do that, but it
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  Speaker 1: just means sans technology, and I say I.
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  Speaker 2: Could do that piece, but I'm not taking part in it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, So I tried it, and I actually for
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  Speaker 1: someone I feel like we are so connected in our
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  Speaker 1: every day it was really calming. Especially I mean I
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  Speaker 1: wear the Apple Watch all of the time, and to
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  Speaker 1: run without the watch, not just to not be so
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  Speaker 1: constantly checking my pace and my statistics, but also to
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  Speaker 1: be so out of the loop with anyone who's trying
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  Speaker 1: to reach me was so enjoyable.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you even think, like right before I even
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  Speaker 2: stepped on the track, I was immediately I was on
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  Speaker 2: my phone saying I've accepted the challenge, Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting on social media, like we are bombarded with so
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  Speaker 2: much information in the day that to be on that
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  Speaker 2: track for the thirty four minutes.
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  Speaker 3: That I was on it, it just.
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  Speaker 2: Felt so calming and so free and much like a meditation.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of meditation, do you meditate?
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  Speaker 2: I would hesitate in calling my I like saying that
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  Speaker 2: I meditate. But I do use the Headspace app with
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  Speaker 2: my daughter every day after school. We sit in the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot and just kind of reset for three minutes
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  Speaker 2: or five minutes. I don't know what kind of day
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  Speaker 2: she's having, so I just want to use it as
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity to reset and then we can open up
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  Speaker 2: and talk about it or go on to our next activity,
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  Speaker 2: which is usually a craft or going to the park,
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  Speaker 2: riding her bike, something really really fun and adventurous. But
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  Speaker 2: I also want to make sure that she is learning
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  Speaker 2: the tools to be able to reset herself.
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  Speaker 1: How was that the first time you guys did that together.
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  Speaker 1: Was she open to it?
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  Speaker 3: She was?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was exciting for
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  Speaker 2: her to try something new. I think seven year olds
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  Speaker 2: are excited to try anything, and then they'll judge after
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  Speaker 2: that whether they'll ever do it again. But we do
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  Speaker 2: have a rule in our house that started at the
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  Speaker 2: dinner table that you can only have an opinion about
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  Speaker 2: something after you try it, so she had to try
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  Speaker 2: the meditation app before she could form her opinion on it.
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  Speaker 1: And Where's home?
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  Speaker 2: Home is in Mammoth Lakes, California, to ski resort in
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  Speaker 2: Central California. So we live a pretty active life up
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  Speaker 2: there and have open nature and trails all around us.
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  Speaker 1: And you live there with your husband Andrew obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, we're going on fifteen years of marriage and have
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  Speaker 2: a seven year old.
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  Speaker 3: So life's adventuress.
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  Speaker 1: And Andrew's a coach as well. He is.
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  Speaker 2: He's the coach of the Mammoth Track Club and he
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  Speaker 2: has general membership professional runners and also now a youth
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  Speaker 2: program that's starting this summer. And you met running, We
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  Speaker 2: did through a mutual runner friend. We met that way.
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  Speaker 2: He was finishing up school at Adams State University and Alamo, Colorado,
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  Speaker 2: and I was training there professionally and we met and
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  Speaker 2: pretty much have spent twenty four to seven together since then.
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  Speaker 1: How is that having? I mean, you don't necessarily work together,
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  Speaker 1: but you do. I'm to work together a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So together a lot of our day and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's great that we're mutually supportive. We have different ideas
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  Speaker 2: on how to get things done, So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: also healthy, knowing each other's strengths and being able to
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  Speaker 2: rely on the other to carry through with an obligation
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  Speaker 2: or an idea. And so I feel very, very fortunate
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  Speaker 2: that we get to work together. It's not like we
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  Speaker 2: rush home for dinner and have to catch up on
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  Speaker 2: what our day was like. We share our day, which
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  Speaker 2: I feel very privileged to do with the man that
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  Speaker 2: I love.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome goals. I'm also sitting here thinking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more about this mindful running phenomenon. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's everywhere right now, like every big company is talking
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  Speaker 1: about running mindfully. So I'm wondering if in your practice
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  Speaker 1: of running, do you not besides this time that you
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  Speaker 1: spend with your daughter, do you feel like you're run
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  Speaker 1: Really is that same type of meditation time. I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: I've made a practice out of being mindful. But I
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  Speaker 2: also have seen two sides of the coin with mindfulness.
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  Speaker 2: People that roll their eyes because it seems cliche because
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  Speaker 2: it's been around for a while. You see people that
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  Speaker 2: are intimidated by mindfulness because they don't have the time
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  Speaker 2: for it, or they don't understand it in a way
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  Speaker 2: it's in its simplest form, just the art of paying attention, Like,
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  Speaker 2: just pay attention. What thoughts are you serving you better?
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  Speaker 2: How does this how does this idea make you feel?
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  Speaker 2: Or how does this moment make you feel? And take
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  Speaker 2: a deep breath and understand it in a way that's
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  Speaker 2: going to benefit you more. I feel like sometimes we can.
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  Speaker 2: We can I think over complicate ideas that can be
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  Speaker 2: really simple to to pursue and digest.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been running for thirty four years, and as
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  Speaker 1: someone who likes running myself, I guess my first instinct
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  Speaker 1: to ask you is not just how you got started running,
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  Speaker 1: but when was the point that you realized that you
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  Speaker 1: were really really good at it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think I was good from the beginning, but it's
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  Speaker 2: because I enjoyed it from the beginning. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I was good because I enjoyed it or
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it because I was good, but it was
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  Speaker 2: it was mutual, So I guess that's the that's the
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  Speaker 2: beauty of it is that I that I had some
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  Speaker 2: talent and something that I that I enjoyed deeply at
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  Speaker 2: at its core, I wasn't engaged in any other sports,
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  Speaker 2: and and and because of that, failed miserably in them.
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  Speaker 2: So to be able to find a sport that I love,
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  Speaker 2: I think is why why I was able to find
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  Speaker 2: a talent there.
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  Speaker 1: What uh what sports did you fail miserably at.
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  Speaker 3: All of them? Anything that involved coordination or equipment.
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  Speaker 2: I I was on the soccer team and scored a
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  Speaker 2: goal for the other team because I didn't realize we
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  Speaker 2: changed ways changed directions during halftime, so that was a
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  Speaker 2: little embarrassing. I was on my dad's softball team. Talk
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  Speaker 2: about a committed father. He's like, I'll sign up to
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  Speaker 2: be coach. I'll sign up to be coaching. He spent
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  Speaker 2: the whole time shaking his head, but he was the
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  Speaker 2: coach of my softball team. And I would much rather
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  Speaker 2: make dandelion necklaces in the outfield than catch her throw
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  Speaker 2: or bat. And then I tried ice skating, which I
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  Speaker 2: loved so much. My mom even hired someone to make
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  Speaker 2: me like the frilly outfits with matching boot covers. But
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  Speaker 2: my instructor quit on me because because I was scared
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  Speaker 2: to jump up in the air to try an axle,
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  Speaker 2: and she quit. And as she walked by my mom.
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  Speaker 2: She said she's too skinny to be graceful anyway, which
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  Speaker 2: my mom thought, Oh, no, her self esteem. We have
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  Speaker 2: to get her into something. And so track was the answer,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't have to try out. Everybody gets a
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  Speaker 2: metal or a ribbon at the end, and so it's
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  Speaker 2: always a happy story. And that first day, right before
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  Speaker 2: the right before our first competition, when my dad came
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  Speaker 2: home and said that they wanted me to perform on
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  Speaker 2: the varsity varsity squad, my mom thought again.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, that's going to ruin her self esteem. And
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  Speaker 3: my dad said, well, they.
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  Speaker 2: Say she has potential, and I thought me potential And
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  Speaker 2: I was second in my first race and then ended
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  Speaker 2: up undefeated from there for the next few years.
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  Speaker 1: And did you go to did you run in college?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: I went to the University of Arkansas, And that's when
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  Speaker 2: I started to struggle a little bit because I thought
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  Speaker 2: my talent had run out. I didn't realize I had
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  Speaker 2: any control over it. I thought it was a fixed
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  Speaker 2: trait and the person with the most talent one. So
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  Speaker 2: for someone with a lot of talent in the sport,
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  Speaker 2: I sure didn't know a lot and it wasn't until
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  Speaker 2: I had that a couple of coaches really spark my
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  Speaker 2: curiosity and make me understand how much I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: That got me excited to pursue this sport in a
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  Speaker 2: bigger way.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, So when you were in college, what distances were
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  Speaker 1: you running?
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  Speaker 2: I was running the five thousand and the ten thousand
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  Speaker 2: meters on the track and also cross country.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so when does the five thousand and ten
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  Speaker 1: thousands turn into the marathon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought for years.
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  Speaker 2: I turned professional in nineteen ninety six, and I for
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  Speaker 2: years thought anything that takes a month to recover from
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  Speaker 2: or has you hobbling the next day just can't be
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  Speaker 2: good for you. So I always resisted, resisted the move
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  Speaker 2: up to the marathon. And it wasn't until doing this
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  Speaker 2: beautiful run through a canyon while visiting my parents back
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  Speaker 2: in California when I was living in Colorado that it
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  Speaker 2: was eighteen miles and it was longer than I'd ever run,
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  Speaker 2: and it was through this canyon to the beach and back.
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  Speaker 2: And I was so intimidated by this distance and by
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  Speaker 2: the slow, gradual climb back to my car, that I
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  Speaker 2: went nice and slowly.
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  Speaker 3: I touched the sand.
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  Speaker 2: I looked back at the mountains and thought should I
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  Speaker 2: call my dad to pick me up? But decided to
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  Speaker 2: do it anyway. And I was so supercharged going back
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  Speaker 2: up those hills, felt so energized and so capable that
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  Speaker 2: I called my coach and I said I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: run a marathon someday, and he said, I've been waiting
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  Speaker 2: to hear those words out of your mouth for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. So it was two thousand and one that
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  Speaker 2: my first marathon was the New York City Marathon. It's
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  Speaker 2: a good marathon, unbelievable. I went big first marathon. I
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  Speaker 2: sure went big.
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  Speaker 1: I love that race. I affectionately refer to my first
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  Speaker 1: New York City Marathon as the best day of my life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I just so wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: I look back on that experience and everyone's out there,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're wearing your name on your shirt, everyone's
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  Speaker 1: cheering your name, and it's just there's nothing better. Like
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  Speaker 1: when do you know hundreds of thousands of people show
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  Speaker 1: up to cheer for you.
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  Speaker 3: One point five million people along the course. That is insane.
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  Speaker 2: Fans like it is really really amazing.
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  Speaker 3: What would we do without them?
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  Speaker 2: Like I always think if the course was empty if
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  Speaker 2: nobody was standing at the finish line and there was
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  Speaker 2: no tape to break and the fanfare to celebrate, it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't feel that amazing. It really does depend on the
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  Speaker 2: volunteers and the screaming, eager spectators that are on the sidelines.
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  Speaker 2: They're just insane and wonderful at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can take a moment and pause for
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  Speaker 1: Boston this year, exact opposite. Yeah of New York. I
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  Speaker 1: know your experience with Boston this year at Dina got
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  Speaker 1: hypothermia running.
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  Speaker 3: Which has never happened to me.
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  Speaker 2: I live in a ski resort where I have sometimes
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  Speaker 2: run in single digit temperatures and in snowstorms. Not all
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  Speaker 2: the time, but a ski resort town, and as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I heard the weather report, I thought, cool, I
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  Speaker 2: have an edge over everyone because I'm tough.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't remember what it was or who or
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  Speaker 2: how I ended up in the medical tent, but it
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  Speaker 2: was a blackout experience I was. I remember in my final,
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  Speaker 2: my final couple miles. I only made it to fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: That's where the medical tent was that I was, But
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember those miles. I just remember shaking uncontrollably
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  Speaker 2: while I was running, and feeling like my solid legs,
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  Speaker 2: like my legs were frozen themselves, just pounding the pavement.
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  Speaker 2: I was already sore. It just felt so weird. And
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  Speaker 2: the next day I was more sore than any marathon
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  Speaker 2: I had ever run.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've run a lot more marathons than me,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: but I share that sentiment. I was sore instantly. I've
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: never felt like that before, not even after a long run.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Just so taxed, and my body was just so angry.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And again, though, just back to this idea of the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: crowds being out there. Everyone who did show up, that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: had shown up before told me that this was nothing.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: No one was out there when I started. I don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: know about you. It was hailing, yes, it was awful.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but blessed the people that were out there, oh
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: my gosh, because it was a driving rain coming down
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: sideways at times. An umbrella wouldn't have helped anybody, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: so it was amazing to me that there was even
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: people out on those streets at all.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Question I do want to ask what happens when you
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: go professional? Like, how does one become a professional runner?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I think the.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Definition is when you can finally have a paycheck, and
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I think that makes you professional at something. But it
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: also comes with obligations for sponsors and to meet promoters,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people that are involved.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: It's not a solo mission.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: You're representing your community, You're representing your sponsors, You're representing
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the team you run on and the coaches, and so
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I think the great the broader your scope of team.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There needs to be an extraordinary amount of trust that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: everybody is in it for the right intentions, that everybody
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: is competing clean. And it's a really important standard to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: live up to because I think of my Mammoth Track
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Club and all the people that have come through the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Mammoth Track Club over the years. We've produced fourteen, fourteen,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: fifteen Olympians on our group in our group, and it's
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: an extraordinary feat and to know that we've all done
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it clean, I think is a testament to strong leadership
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: with our coaches and a no nonsense policy.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: There's so much pressure I feel like being a professional athlete,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and this will kind of bring us into your hurdle
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: moment a little bit. You ran your first marathon in
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: New York and then you made it to your first
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Olympics in two thousand, tell me before I guess, before
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we get into the hurdle moment, talk to me about
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: your first Olympics experience.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean, that's like every child's dream. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: became a runner the same year that Joe Benoit Samilson
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: won the first gold medal in the Olympic Games for
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the marathon. And it's crazy that it was only in
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four that we had our first ever women's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Olympic marathon. Up until then, I think they that the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: organizing committees thought women would lose their uterus if they
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: ran that distance. With just like yeah, you can't help
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: but laugh. You're like seriously, like if you can keep
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: all your parts, so I can't keep all ours. But
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it seems extraordinary. So I think every child who sees
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the Olympics growing up, if they get involved in sports,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: kind of has that as their ideal to be an Olympian.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And so it was an amazing experience to have that
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: as one of my goals becoming a professional, to make
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the Olympic team, to being in a position in the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: year two thousand when the Olympics were going to be
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: in Sydney, I thought, you know what, I'm strong enough
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to win these Olympic trials, not just make the team,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: but win the Olympic trials. And so to go in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: with that sort of confidence felt really felt really defining
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and good to me.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And making the Olympic team.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a great Olympics, but that one was
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: about participation and it was in the ten thousand meters.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And then four years later I wanted to change that
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: experience to being something a little more special. So that
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: was the Athens Olympics where I ended up earning a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: bronze medal.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I like long pause because it makes me speechless just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: thinking about this idea of getting onto the podium at
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the Olympics.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: It was the ultimate.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, as I saw Mizuki Naguchi's Japanese flag
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: rising in the stadium next to the American flag, I
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was singing the American national aca. You can't help it, Yeah, yeah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: there's just so much pride in seeing your country's flag go, climb,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: climb the pole.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So that Olympics bronze medal, and.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I thought I was going to do better the next
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: time around.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the next time around you're in Beijing,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and how far out ahead of the race do you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: get on the ground in Beijing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So I got to Beijing. We were actually stationed in
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the town of Doli, in a coastal town outside of
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Beijing as the US track team. We're there for three
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: weeks ahead of the Games, and then flew into Beijing
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: just a couple of days before.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It's always interesting to me because they say, depending obviously
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: on the altitude, food of the destination, they give you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: best practice advice of when you're supposed to arrive. But
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like, obviously with the Olympics, there's probably a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: lot more things you need to be there beforehand. You
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: might arrive earlier for the Olympics than you would say
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if you were flying into a different place for just
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a race.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Weekend, right, And even for the Sydney Olympics and the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Athens Olympics, we would get there close to a month
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: ahead of time. And it's about adaptation and if you
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: can these are like the tiny tweaks that you can
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: do to gain a slight edge, and another slight edge
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: by getting your sleep, and another.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Slight edge by hydrating.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's like all these little things that add up to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to being able to perform at your best. So getting
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: there a few weeks ahead, to adapt to the heat
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and humidity, to to get on the time zone, and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to really get in a groove and do your your
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: tapering there so that you're going in confident and not sluggish.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: How did you feel going into the Beijing Olympics?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Going into Beijing, ten days out in the town at
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the coastal town of Dolian, I did an eighteen mile
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: marathon simulation run where I start off easy and get
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: down to marathon pace, and it was the best marathon
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: simulation run I had ever done in my career.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: So I felt so confident going into this race.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Quick pause, what's your marathon pace?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: My marathon pace is is five point twenty to five
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: thirty depending on the course. You know, Beijing wasn't going
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to be a fast course because of the heat, then
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that was going to challenge us there.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I like can't make it from my bed to like
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: my bathroom sink to brush my teeth.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: In five minutes and twenty seconds.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I think my fastest mile I've ever run is like
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a six fourteen and that's a single just a quick singal. Yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but that's swift, and you know what I just aspire
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to one day I have a five to fourteen marathon pace.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: That's outstanding. Okay, so you feel really great.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, And so you would have been in the lead
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: pack for the first few miles because we were probably
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: going six thirties this six thirty second smile.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: It was just a lot of people looking around.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to make a move yet it was early,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and so everybody was just kind of feeling out the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: race to see who would make a move. And I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: remember going going through these gardens and feeling like a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: tightness on top of my foot, and the very next
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: step was a crack and splintering of my third metatarsal
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and I could hear it pop like a popsicle stick
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: where kind of splinters after the pop.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It was nauseating to even think about.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Once I was on the bus, like repeating that sound
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in my head, but a bus had to pick me
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: up because I couldn't put any weight on my foot,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: and I made my way to the finish line. The
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Beautiful Bird's Nest was not the way I had anticipated
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: entering that stadium.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I read your book, your New York Times best selling book,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: let your mind round in the chapter about this, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking about how this might have happened.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Right right, So it took me a while to get there,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But as soon as when I was on the bus
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and sobbing into this towel, I finally thought, you know what,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to figure out how this happened, Like this
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't just happen per chance, And I'm not about to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: chalk it up to tour runners and athletes pushing the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: limits and breaking their bodies, because I feel our bodies
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: are very capable and very strong.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So I really wanted to figure out why.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And as soon as I got into that mindset of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: figuring out why, I already felt empowered. I already felt
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: like I was going to be stronger after.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So what did you start to kind of how I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: guess at this point you start to kind of backtrack
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and like retrace your steps to figure out what may
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: have been a trigger for this?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Right, I was thinking, oh, man, what did I do? Like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: what didn't I What didn't I accomplish here? That what
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was the missing piece of this puzzle that would allow
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: me to get get an Olympic medal again?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: And earlier that year I had gotten giardia in out
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of drinking.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I was drinking out of a stream in Colorado, which
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was a no no, but I thought it was high enough.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And I got giardia a couple of weeks later, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I thought maybe I ate something weird,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and then I thought I had the flu. And by
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the time I went to the doctors, I was like
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a week and a half into to just not absorbing
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: any any of the nutrients I was eating. And so
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: talking with the doctors in hindsight, they said that because
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I was still running, that my body, in order to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: still have cardiac function, took all the nutrients from my bones,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: leached all the nutrients from my bones, Like aren't our
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: bodies amazing that my heart took priority over everything, Like
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I just still am in awe of that. And so
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: in order for my heart to keep pumping, it leached
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the nutrients and minerals it needed from my bones and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they never got reabsorbed because I had zero vitamin D
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: in my body because I've gone through melanoma on three occasions,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and so the sun is not an option. I didn't
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: know that vitamin D was a thing then. Now it's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: pretty much something in a blood profile that's very common
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to when your blood is taken, it's common to search
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for how much vitamin do you have because it's supposed
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to decrease inflammation and be anti cancer, and so it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: an important mineral vitamin to have. And because I didn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: have vitamin D in my system but a lot of calcium,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I wasn't able to reabsorb the calcium into my bone.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So I just made it my mission to sit around
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and eat a lot of foods with vitamin D in it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And it was surprising to know what those foods were
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because there wasn't a lot of research then, But it
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: ended up being the yolks of farm raised eggs because
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the chickens are getting a lot of scent, so those
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: egg yolks are as orange as a per simon. They're
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: just beautiful and you can tell they're healthy for you
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: just by the looks of them, and they have a
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: much different look than conventional egg and herring and salmon.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Some cold water fishes that are really high in vitamin
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: D organic leafy greens because they have more bioavailability so
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you can absorb the vitamin D more efficiently and then
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: fortified foods, breads and milks and orange juices that have vitamin.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: D in them.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So it was a learning experience and I felt every
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: day that I was getting stronger, and it was interesting,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: even with my foot in a cast and sitting on
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the couch, I felt like I was a healthier version
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of myself than right before the Olympic Games, when I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: was thinking I was going to meddle.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: This. Uh, it makes me think a lot because obviously,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: as a professional athlete, your body is it's your money maker,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: your whole identity. Yeah everything, Yes, Where are you mentally
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: when this happened, because you had to pretty much relearn
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: how to walk? Yes?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And I think because I've practiced positivity for so many
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: years that it was to make that transition, Even on
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the bus without answers when I was heading to the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Bird's nest, I remember one minute on the bus being
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: so angry at my body for failing me. And then
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: in the hospital in the Olympic village after I got
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the results of my X ray and my doctor back
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: home saying don't let a bedsheet touch your toe because
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: your foot swelled so badly it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Pushed your bones back into place.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So here with all these splintered and feathered pieces of
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: my bones just squeezed back into place from inflammation.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And so whereas a couple hours earlier, I.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Was angry at my body, in this moment, I was
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: amazed at it for already starting the healing process. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: our bodies want to be healthy if we give it
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the avenue to do so. And I was really understanding
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: in that moment that there's a big difference between fitness
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and health.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And I was fit, but I was not healthy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: That's outrageous to have that mindset right off the bat.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I did an interview with Don Harper Nelson a couple
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of years ago, and we talked about her experience in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Beijing right actually, and she fell on the hurdles and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: she immediately wanted out of the stadium. She hopped a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: fence with her husband, and I think they tried to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: get away from the press, and she had a moment
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: right before they got, you know, all the way out,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and she said, you could do two things here. You
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: can try to leave, you can get out of here,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: or you could stop, have your moment, reflect and then
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: go back in there and face it, because what can
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: happen is if you don't stop and learn from mistakes.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: What their mistake. You didn't put all that effort into fail.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: But if you don't stop and look at what happened
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and analyze and go back to it, then what's it
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: going to serve you? So she affectionately talked about how
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: she went back in and she'd talked to the reporters
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and she reflected on her race and she learned so
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: much from it because she was willing to confront it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like you were so willing right off
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the bat.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to process it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And it's such an important part of that journey of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: self improvement that we can look at disappointment, which Don
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and I have both run the gamut of international experience
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: on disappointment, like highs and lows, disappointments and victories. But
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: we can process it in these hard terms like disappointment
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: instead of feeling like a failure in disappointment, which I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: had made the mistake of doing for so many years,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to think of disappointment as a desire to be better,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: That it's a feeling that comes with being totally invested
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: in something and wanting more and expecting more. So how
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: do I get more out of myself?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: The next time, and that's when it becomes that's when
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: you evolve into more of a growth mindset instead of
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: this debilitating one where you're seeping in disappointment. So it's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: about defining these hard emotions in a better way that
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: can serve us.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Do you have any consistent mantras that you repeat to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: yourself when you run?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's nodding, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think mantras are
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: really are really important. It's not something that I use
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: on a daily basis, but it definitely is there through
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: some of the more challenging moments of a race or
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a workout. And the one that seems to work for
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: me so often is define yourself. Because there's so many
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: occasions where we think, oh, it's just one race or
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: someone's I remember thinking so strangely one time of you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: know what, someone's going to win this race next year.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Someone won this race last year, So who really cares?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Like this, We're not like solving world problems here. It's
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: only a race.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: It's only it's only a run through this this darn city,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you know. And I just.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Laugh at how we can rationalize giving up on our
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: goals and our dreams.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And so I make it. I make it a bigger picture.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I make it about making this choice is forming the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: habits that I'm going to rely on for the rest
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: of my life. If I give up now, then I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: can get into a habit of giving up. But if
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I dig down and try harder, then I'm also forming
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the habits to do that. So to me, I make
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it about defining who I am as a human being,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and that becomes a much much harder thing to bail
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: out of.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Many talk about putting the pressure.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the moment becomes very intense.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, obviously Beijing is effectively for our
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: purposes your hurdle moment. Would you say that at that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: time you had that same mental approach to running or
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: do you think that this is really thinking? Okay, each
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of these situations contributes to the bigger picture. Do you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: feel like that was developing for you at that time,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of mono or have you been there for years?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's taken time, but I had definitely been
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: practicing what it takes to get through a hard moment
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: for years before that, and whether it's practicing gratitude or
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it's or keeping keeping a journal to see how you
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: handle handle hard times. It could be relying on friends
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and family. There's just so many options to be inspired
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and to keep going around us. We sometimes get caught
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: up in paying attention to the challenges around us, when
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: simultaneously there's a lot of good happening and support for us.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So it's important to give our attention to the good
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: stuff in order to thrive more. But I think that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: all that practice certainly allowed me to sob in that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: towel and get over it very quickly and move on
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to growing from there. So it's I think that the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: practice is very important on a daily basis, as opposed
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to just relying on these tools.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: When when something hits the fan, when.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You got back on your feet and you started running,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: even just a little bit, talk to me about how
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that felt. Yeah, it was.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: It was strange to have to learned a walk again
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: because I was in a cast for so long, and
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: then a boot, and then finally only able to balance
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: on two legs, but I couldn't really walk around. It
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was a very gradual build up to being able to run,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: but learning able to walk heel, rolling off the toe,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: making sure you're not favoring that middle metatarsal and creating
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: bad habits in your gate before before starting to run again,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and then being able to finally get on this trail
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: for this hike, to get on unstable surface, which seemed
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: so exciting.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You know, So you took a hike, yeah, before you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: started to run, Yes.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And every day was every I shouldn't say every day,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: because there's days where you're tired or whatever, but every
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: week just felt like this amazing growth, like oh.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: My gosh, I'm standing on both of my feet.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Again, and I tried to celebrate and honor that as
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: opposed to compare myself to a to a two twenty
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: marathonor And so I was on this hike and it
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be two hours long, and I chose
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: at place I had never been so that I could explore,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: which really gets me excited. And I went through this
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: long lake valley and I looked at my watch, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I looked at my map, and I thought, and I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: had like a real map in my hand because I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: was afraid that that I wouldn't get GPS signals. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: so I went old school and I realized, like, I'm
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: not going to see much if I don't hustle and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: get going so I just started jogging and immediately felt
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: this rush of endorphins and joy of like moving through
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the mountains and climbing this hill, just like my breath
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: heaving to realize I was at twelve thousand feet and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the way back just in like this euphoric state of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: being part of something that I enjoy so deeply. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with time or place, similar
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to being here in London. It had nothing to do
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: with that. It was just the joy of moving again.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Did you ever think during your that you wouldn't run again?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I questioned it for sure. I thought maybe my foot
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't heal properly. I thought maybe that much time off
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: would set me back years in fitness, and so I
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't sure. But I also felt okay with it. I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: felt that I was just happy to have my health back,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: happy to understand health in a different way, in a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: broader way, knowing that things can be happening internally that
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: are totally so far under the surface we don't see
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: them going on, and so to pay attention to how
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I feel a little more energy wise was really important.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: So I feel like the upset of it all was
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: truly a gift.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: In the end, what I want to know is what
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: has been some of the best advice that you have
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: been given in your career? Because you're giving me excellent
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: advice of how to stay resilient, but who gives you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the advice back?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I feel like inspiration is always around us. I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: the person that has influenced me the most has been
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: my first professional coach, Job Hill, and he showed me
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: through example that the power of all that we possess,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: whether it's time, money, knowledge, food, the value of it
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: increases exponentially the moment it's shared. And so I feel
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he lived that example, and it's become more or less
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: my life philosophy that if I have it, share it
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: because what good is it? Was my motivation in writing
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Let Your Mind Run? Because what good is having all
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: these universal truths that running has taught me if I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: not also sharing it with the people around me. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: share it with my teammates and my friends. But to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: be able to share it in a bigger way has
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: been a huge reward. What's better than making a nice
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: meal and sharing it with others as opposed to just
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: sitting down and eating it yourself. So I love that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the sharing of everything that we have, and it really
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: makes what we have more valuable.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like you probably leaned into a lot of
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the people that give you inspiration after Beijing making your comeback.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Tell me what happens when you're back.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're back, and you're just trying to settle into
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to that journey of progress. You're looking at coaches for
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: better advice, You're looking at your teammates for inspiration, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: really feeding off the progress day to day without comparing
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: who you were a year prior, or two years prior
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: or ten years prior.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: You're just looking at.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: The at the progress and the process itself, and when
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you can really do that, be mindful in the moment
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: of that journey forward, I think you can be proud
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: instead of disappointed in where you are.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So you are getting back into running, You're regaining all
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the strength, You're doing it successfully in a way that
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you can now say, Okay, I'm not done with this yet.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That must have been empowering.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: It felt it felt amazing to just feel that snap
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: back in your legs to do that first speed session.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I mean all those first they just lined up, my
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: first five miles, my first ten miles, my first speed session,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: my first temple run, my first long run.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: It all felt amazing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: What's a piece of advice that you'd want to give
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: someone who wants to tackle that first mile, that first
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: five mile, that first ten mile, like they want to
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: do it and maybe they're a little bit scared.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I would say the reward is just putting your shoes
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: on and doing it. I used to think that you
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: needed to incentivize things like that, these bold moves that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: we sometimes make, like getting off the couch and running
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: our first mile. But the reward is just in the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: process itself, and it's so empowering to question what we
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: can do and then go ahead and do it. It
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: makes it feel that much more special. So the fear
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: or the intimidation shouldn't stop you, but it should allow
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: you to know that it's going to be that much
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: greater once you get there.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: So it's also enjoying the journey absolutely. I kept telling
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: myself that in Boston, you know, you get to Boston,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: you get to Boston and it's the weather. There's nothing
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you can do and you can't control it, and you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just have to accept it. And it's like, in the meantime,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you got to step back and realize this journey has
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: been so special already.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Right, Absolutely, it's special just to get to the starting
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: line of Boston. It's a journey in and of itself,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and people should feel that the reward is the race itself.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Even though we were met with horrific conditions, it's still
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: just this. The human spirit that allows you to continue
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: going is a real beautiful thing to acknowledge.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So at this time in twenty ten, you're running a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: lot and something feels a little bit off, So what's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: happening in data?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I went from working out in a really great way
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to just feeling awful. And I had no idea. Oh,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I will make a long story shirt short. But I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: was pregnant and ended up having a very sedentary pregnancy.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe I could at least run a half
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: hour a day for the health of it, to get
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: out and enjoy views and exercise and fresh air, for
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the health of me and the baby growing.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And I couldn't do it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I had these debilitating side stitches that it only felt
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: good to sit around and hang out in the house.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: So that's what I did for fresh air. I read
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: books on the deck and took deep nurturing breaths. But
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: for the most part, I did almost nothing during my
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: pregnancy but read books and clean the house a lot.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I got to ask, when you were pregnant, did you
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: go through another set of asking yourself? Am I going
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to run professionally? Again?
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably natural for a lot of women
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to question their careers in the face of starting a family.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: So I did question whether I would start running. But
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I was also encouraged by my husband to not make decisions,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: let it happen organically, and enjoy this time of starting
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a family. And if you feel like you want to
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: continue when when Piper's born, then by all means, put
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the shoes on and we'll make it work. But if
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: you want to stay at home and raise this child.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: And be dedicated. He also supported that I love her name. Yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Piper Bloom.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, I thought my husband thought of the name, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I thought Bloom was because she was going to be
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: born in the springtime. She happened to be born during
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a horrific snowstorm and we almost named her Piper Storm
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: because of it, which also fits her name a little
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: better her personality a little better.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: But Piper Bloom it is.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: What's the bloom for?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: It is the in Bloom song by Nirvana and the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: first lyrics are sell your kids for food. So I
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: hope she's not insecure that if we ever go hungry, she'll.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Be she'll be soul, So we can put food on
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: the table.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can just tell people.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, she's born for the Yeah, I promised, Piper.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: If you're listening, I would never sell you for food.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: You're much too valuable.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So you get back into running and things are going well,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: and there's another Olympic Games right on the corner, so
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what do you do, Dina?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I started to get excited with the fitness that I
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was gaining and decided to train for a crash course
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: in marathoning and entering the US Marathon trials that were
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: being held in Houston that year. And I remember it
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: being a really tough build up that there was nothing
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: that no other time in my life that anything but
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: running was competing for my attention. And here I was
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: trying to put in the work and knowing that I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't doing everything like the stretching and the massages and
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the naps and the second runs all the time, So
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: there was a lot I was compromising, but I was
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: a new mom and I was also invested in feeding
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: my daughter and in playing with her, and so it
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: was it was just an important time that I didn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: do so gracefully. And I remember running the Olympic trials tired,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and by the time the race started to hurt, I
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: didn't have it within me to fight for it. I
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: got sixth places, so I did not make the Olympic team.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And my first thought when I crossed the finish line
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: is that I failed as a mom and as an athlete.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And it was hard.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you're getting a little much about it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think looking back on it now, do you
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: feel that way?
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Not at all, Not at all.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I think, oh, silly, Dina, you were so young and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: naive to think that way. But I did have to.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I did have to step back and say, like, how do.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: People do this? How do people manage family and careers?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And as I was, as I was suffering and in
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: this place of self pity, I thought, oh, come on,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: people do this all the time, Like get yourself together,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Like there are very successful women and men out there
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: that raise families and run and have lucrative careers, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: your career and running are the same thing, so shouldn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: you have it easier? So I just had to have
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: this talk with myself, like you got to figure this out.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And I realized that we can have more than one hat.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And it felt so great to finally figure out that
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: stride of being out there and enjoying running and being
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: able to get to get the best out of myself
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: while I was running, but also get the best out
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: of motherhood when I was with my family.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's something to be said for
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: this idea of women getting back into the workforce in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: general after having children. Just it blows my mind to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think about performing at the same elite level while you're
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: missing out on sleep, you're waking up at two am,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you're running too and from who knows daycare and putting
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: food on the table, and all of these new factors
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: that you didn't have to deal with when you were
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: just you and your.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Husband, right and leading up to the Olympic trials, it
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: was time, my time running. I felt guilty being away
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: from Piper because she wasn't an easy child, an easy baby,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and then and then the times I was with her,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: there was this understanding deep inside me that I wasn't
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: doing everything I needed to do to fulfill that running goal.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: So there was guilt on both sides, and so I
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: really had to struggle with that for a while before
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: finding my stride.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, how did that change?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: It changed just by setting priorities, and that seems so simple,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: But I just set priorities that health and family should
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: always come first, and that running in career would come second.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And I realized very quickly after that that those lines
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: often blur a lot, because getting out for a run
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes made me a better mom, allowed me to provide
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: for the family, and kept me healthy. So in any case,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: it allowed me to justify what I needed to do
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: in any given moment.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about self love, because
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like this what you're kind of getting at,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: is this idea of self care. What do you do
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: aside from running and spending time with your family that
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you feel like truly gives back to you and who
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's so important to get to a place
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: where you can look in the mirror and say, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: deserve this, I deserve this time, I deserve this food,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I deserve this glass of wine.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I deserve for drinking wine.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's really important to get to that space,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and it's it's not always easy, but I think once
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you feel that moment of self acceptance of itself is
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a is such a great gift to give yourself. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: like to call it strategic joy. Traveling the world a lot.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: We're sitting here in a London hotel room, traveling the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: world a lot.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: It is hard for me to be away from home
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: so much, and I try to make it home he
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: or I put a picture of my family up on
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the nightstand, like not just on my cell phone, but
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: a real, real picture that sits there. I like to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: go to the grocery store or a florist and get
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a little potted flowers that can sit on the nightstand,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: and when I leave, I give it to the housekeeping
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: or the front desk and pass on that love and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: ask them to take.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Care of it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: In other ways, when I come in from a run,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I'll grab some lavender outside or rosemary and shove them
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: in my running shoes to freshen them up for the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: next day. And then I feel so happy when I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: put them on next to know that I just put
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that tiny bit of effort in to loving my running shoes.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: So there's all these little ways that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You can like strategically add a little bit of joy
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: to your life because some of the responsibilities we have
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: are a little mundane or maybe not as glamorous as
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: we would like them to be, and so it's important
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to spark joy in some way so we can enjoy
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: all aspects of who we are.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Your self care routine is so legit it makes me
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: want to establish some new self care practices.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should always be recreating them so that we
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: can really feel the giddiness that comes with being kind
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: to ourselves.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: When do you feel the most yourself? Wow?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I think I feel the most myself when I'm visiting
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: with people I enjoy being around, whether it's weekends like
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: this where where I'm with like minded people and people
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: who challenge me. I love that because so often we're
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: part of social media and we're befriended by people who
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: think like us and have ideals like us. And I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: really enjoy that aspect of being introduced to and visiting
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: with people that might challenge the way that I think
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: or try to make me understand and have compassion for
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the way someone else is thinking, I'm also my I
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: think I'm maybe at maybe I'm getting to your answer
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: as I keep as I keep talking. But maybe I'm
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: my most happy when I'm at home after a good
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: long run and cooking in the kitchen with my family.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: The intention of putting a great meal on the table,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: nourishing them with goodness, wholesome, wholesome ingredients well put together,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: is probably when I'm when I'm a little extra.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Giddy, I've got to ask, what do you cook?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, It depends on what on what the day is.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: If it's a if it's a cold, a cold night,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I might do some filets with this gorgonzola cream sauce
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: on it, or with a side of gorgonzola cheese, yoki
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: and some type of grilled vegetable. If it's going to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: be a warm summer night, I might throw together some
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: shrimp and mango cilantro spring rolls and serve a nice
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: chilled wine with it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it. It just depends on depends
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: on the weather, my mood.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: You have a lucky family. You don't want to come
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: over to my apartment and start cooking for me.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I certainly would do that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: We're coming to the end of our time here. So
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I guess what I want to know is how do
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you feel now and what do you feel is next
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: for you? Wow?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I think that progress is always never ending, and I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: don't judge progress by what's on my watch.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I like to challenge myself and I think that's why
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: running has.
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  Speaker 2: Become a lifestyle for me as opposed like I guess,
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  Speaker 2: aside from being my profession my career, it's also a
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle and so just being able to go out and
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  Speaker 2: challenge myself on a daily basis has been really important
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  Speaker 2: to that. You can feel pride and satisfaction at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day when you know you've given your all.
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  Speaker 3: To a difficult task.
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  Speaker 1: So what's next?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any races next.
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  Speaker 1: How does that feel?
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  Speaker 3: It feels good. I have a lot of travel coming up.
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  Speaker 2: I have going to races for being advocates of the race.
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  Speaker 2: I have speaking engagements coming up which will most certainly
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  Speaker 2: highlight the power of positivity and performance. But I also
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  Speaker 2: have teammates in my man the track club that have
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  Speaker 2: high goals and I was once in their position being
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  Speaker 2: impressionable and trying to break onto the national and international scene.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that by training with them side by side,
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  Speaker 2: I can I can give them some of the tools
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  Speaker 2: to get them there.
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  Speaker 1: I love that last question you can offer Dina on
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  Speaker 1: the bus head in the towel crying, one piece of advice.
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  Speaker 1: What do you.
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  Speaker 3: Tell her there's always a stronger side ahead.
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  Speaker 1: That's really special. I love it awesome, Dina, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for sitting down with me.
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  Speaker 3: It was fun.
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  Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast Dina. Where do they find.
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  Speaker 3: You dinacaster dot com.
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  Speaker 2: They can they can actually connect with me in the
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  Speaker 2: comments section and it'll come to my email address and
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  Speaker 2: I try to answer everything that comes through.
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  Speaker 1: What's your Instagram handle?
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  Speaker 2: Instagram is Dina eighty fifty. Does anybody know what that means?
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  Speaker 3: Out there?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: It is the elevation that I live, Yeah, I live
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  Speaker 2: in the mountains. And then Twitter is at Dina castor.
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  Speaker 1: I love that awesome. I'm at Emily a body, Another
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  Speaker 1: hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.