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Indy Clinton's Tooth Fairy Rage Baiting · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose
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  Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. I'm Kate
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  Speaker 1: Torber and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton sparks
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  Speaker 1: debate about the tooth fairy, Laura Byrne and Maddie J
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  Speaker 1: welcome baby number three, and the controversial AI photos of
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  Speaker 1: Liam Payne and Kate Cassidy. But first, Sarah's Day has
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  Speaker 1: unveiled the fancy drinks her and her husband Kurt like
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  Speaker 1: to drink at night time. And I was pretty interested
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  Speaker 1: to see because She and Kurt don't drink alcohol and
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  Speaker 1: I'm all for having like a nice pick-me-up drink after
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  Speaker 1: I've put my son to bed to go with my meal.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, this is going to be cool.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm guessing it will be a fancy mocktail with
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  Speaker 1: maybe some fruit in it, some pomegranate.
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  Speaker 2: However, I was really disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: She got wine glasses out, put ice cubes in. and
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  Speaker 1: then mixed up some of her electrolytes that she's spruiking.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, is that it? I think she
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  Speaker 1: realized how boring it was. And then she got some
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  Speaker 1: sort of like collagen syrup out of the fridge and
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  Speaker 1: poured it on top. I don't know if that makes
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  Speaker 1: it more interesting. That sounds like something you drink in
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  Speaker 1: the morning before you do a workout, not something that
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  Speaker 1: you unwind to at nighttime. I was like, God, is
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  Speaker 1: this how dire the Hyro situation has gotten off the
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  Speaker 1: back of that? I'm guessing failed campaign because it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be a lot of it still available. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: And they're now having to spruik at us our nighttime drink.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, girl, I've got so many of these
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  Speaker 1: sachets left.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get rid of them.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I did relate to that Sarah said, though,
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  Speaker 1: is the fact it feels fancy to drink any drink
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  Speaker 1: from a wine glass, even if it's not wine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got a flashback on Snapchat and it was like
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  Speaker 1: two years ago and I used to drink my kombucha
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  Speaker 1: out of one of those Target coupe glasses at nighttime.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I have to bring that back because
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  Speaker 1: I think especially having a young child, your nighttimes, are
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  Speaker 1: so exciting now. Like once they're in bed, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck yes, this is me time. Well, you need to
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  Speaker 1: romanticize those times. Well, I've been drinking sodally. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to get off Coke Zero. I spoke about it on
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  Speaker 1: another episode, but they're that good. And I always have
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  Speaker 1: to make sure I have ice in my drink though.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it just doesn't seem like a treat
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  Speaker 1: if it doesn't have ice in it. I am deep
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  Speaker 1: in my Coke Zero era. I hate saying the word era.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like an annoying Gen Z-er, but we have
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  Speaker 1: been buying the slabs of Coke, no sugar in a can.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like that is a game changer. I
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  Speaker 1: can't have it out of the bottle now. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: saw a guy on TikTok rating the Coke Zero experience.
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  Speaker 1: He rated the two liter bottles as the worst. And
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  Speaker 1: it's true.
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  Speaker 2: They do not taste.
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  Speaker 1: As good as the 1.25 or obviously the cans or
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  Speaker 1: the smaller bottles either.
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  Speaker 2: No, they really don't.
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  Speaker 1: But you were asking before about drink of choice and
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  Speaker 1: I have to put it out there. Amy has got
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  Speaker 1: me into the Celsius energy drinks.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you get these from?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know the brand. I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: where she got it from, but I've heard about it
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  Speaker 1: because Saffron Barker is a big fan of them. She's
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  Speaker 1: always spruiking them. And usually you can only get them
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  Speaker 1: in America, but I think Amy's found somewhere that sells them.
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  Speaker 1: She brought one over for me. It was a watermelon
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  Speaker 1: flavored one. And obviously having a young baby, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of early mornings and I had one of these
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  Speaker 1: and I Oh my God, it put a pep in
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  Speaker 1: my step. I think it's important to point out that
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  Speaker 1: we don't drink coffee. So that's why you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: something that's going to pep you up. It's not coffee
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  Speaker 1: because we get.
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  Speaker 2: Headaches if we have it. Well, that's not why I
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  Speaker 2: don't have mine. I just don't like the taste.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking a mile a fucking minute on this thing.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I feel on top of the world,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want to become reliant on it. I've
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  Speaker 1: only had one so far. Amy must be deep in
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  Speaker 1: like beverage TikTok if that's even a thing because she
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  Speaker 1: was telling me about this amazing energy drink that's like
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  Speaker 1: a matcha one from Stephen Bartlett's brand? Well, this one
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  Speaker 1: has green tea extract in it and it's got no sugar.
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  Speaker 1: So it's supposed to be healthier than I suppose a monster,
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  Speaker 1: but it's still not great for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's still an energy drink.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: any energy drinks are healthy. Well, when I worked in
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  Speaker 1: breakfast radio, I was one of the few people who
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  Speaker 1: didn't drink coffee. My little treat would be at the
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  Speaker 1: end of a shift. So I would start at, I'd
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  Speaker 1: have to be in there at 4 a.m., And because
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  Speaker 1: I only did it part time, I could leave at
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  Speaker 1: nine and I'd be driving home and everyone else was
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  Speaker 1: driving to work. And I would stop at the little
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  Speaker 1: bakery at Brighton and get myself a lentil pie.
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  Speaker 2: And that was my treat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say Coke Zero
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  Speaker 1: or Frozen Coke. No. I can't drink Coke Zero in
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  Speaker 1: the morning.
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  Speaker 2: It just seems wrong. Just a warning.
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  Speaker 1: If you are listening to this podcast out loud with
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  Speaker 1: little ears, I think you should pop some headphones in
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  Speaker 1: because we will be discussing the magical world of the
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  Speaker 1: Tooth Fairy. Indy Clinton has sparked debate about how much
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  Speaker 1: money kids should receive from the Tooth Fairy. The TikToker
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  Speaker 1: rage baited her audience by pretending to give her son
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  Speaker 1: $ 150 for his first tooth. So if it was clear
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  Speaker 1: from the get-go, Indy was taking the role of the
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  Speaker 1: Tooth Fairy very seriously. Yeah, I really like this. As
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  Speaker 1: a new parent, this is something that I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to do, create those magic moments. And Indy said that
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  Speaker 1: while she has been Father Christmas and also the Easter Bunny,
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  Speaker 1: She's ready for this new role and she definitely did
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of effort into it. So she created
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  Speaker 1: a whimsical fairy character called Opal and she bought this
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  Speaker 1: cute little fairy jar, which she filled with blue glitter
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  Speaker 1: for the note and money to go in.
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  Speaker 2: It was all very wholesome, but her biggest.
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  Speaker 1: Concern was what she was going to do with the
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  Speaker 1: tooth afterwards. So her fairy character Opal was going to
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  Speaker 1: use it as a wheelbarrow for her fairy house and
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  Speaker 1: But as for Indy, she had no idea what to
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  Speaker 1: actually do with it. And big Ed had a suggestion
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  Speaker 1: of his own. He said, just throw it in the bin.
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  Speaker 1: Now that I have a baby, I'm like, I could
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  Speaker 1: never throw any of his teeth in the bin. And
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  Speaker 1: it kind of makes me feel bad for calling our
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  Speaker 1: mom out because on the podcast before we've spoken about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she was a dental therapist for 40
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  Speaker 1: years and she was very strict about what we could eat.
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  Speaker 1: We were never allowed to drink orange juice, soft drink.
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  Speaker 1: We only had soft drink on the weekend, which You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's now seems like we're rebelling and having it every day. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: when it came to our teeth, I think she talked
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  Speaker 1: you and I into saying, oh, we want to keep
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  Speaker 1: our teeth. So the tooth fairy actually never took our teeth.
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  Speaker 1: She left them. But Amy was like, no, I want
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  Speaker 1: the tooth fairy to take them. We had this book
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  Speaker 1: growing up about how the tooth fairy would take the
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  Speaker 1: teeth and build a castle out of them. So I
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  Speaker 1: think Amy wanted to help the tooth fairy with her castle. However,
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  Speaker 1: when we were older, we discovered that mum had kept
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  Speaker 1: all of our teeth, including Amy's. In these, like, gherkin
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  Speaker 1: jars in the back of the pantry?
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  Speaker 2: No, I have to defend Mum.
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  Speaker 1: Our teeth, because we chose to keep them, they were
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  Speaker 1: preserved in nice little boxes, whereas because she had to
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  Speaker 1: hide Amy's teeth, hers were the ones in a gherkin
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  Speaker 1: jar filled with water. But couldn't she have just hid
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  Speaker 1: Amy's in a box somewhere else? I think she was
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  Speaker 1: afraid that she would find them. Imagine searching in the
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  Speaker 1: pantry looking for gherkins and being like, ah! Well, kids'
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  Speaker 1: teeth are so little as well. I mean, Indy almost
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  Speaker 1: lost the tooth during the filming of the videos. The
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  Speaker 1: thing is, I suppose you don't want to be burying
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  Speaker 1: them in the backyard. Like, that's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: bit creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm so confused. Why would you bury them in
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  Speaker 2: the backyard? Well, I'm trying to work out what.
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  Speaker 1: You do with them. I'm thinking, like, when your pet
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  Speaker 1: passes away, you bury them and, like, teeth kind of.
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  Speaker 2: That's fucking odd.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just throw them in the bin if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get rid of them like that. You wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: bury them. They'd probably think there's a murder that's going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to work out, like,
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  Speaker 2: what would you actually do?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are you supposed to do with them? Can
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  Speaker 1: parents send in and say what they've done with their
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  Speaker 1: child's teeth? Because I'm very intrigued. Getting back to this
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  Speaker 1: story though, Indie really does have TikTok down to a
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  Speaker 1: fine art. She is fantastic at drawing an audience in.
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  Speaker 1: So she started the video by shocking her followers with
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  Speaker 1: just how much Navy would apparently be receiving for his
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  Speaker 1: first tooth. Let's have a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 2: I thought $ 150 was a good amount for his first tooth.
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  Speaker 1: At all in a moment. Okay. So this was at
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  Speaker 1: the start of her video and I pretty much ran
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  Speaker 1: to the comment section. And as expected, parents were losing
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  Speaker 1: their minds. So one follower said, how much is the
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  Speaker 1: tooth fairy giving in capitals, which received over 800 likes?
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  Speaker 1: Another said, I'll rip my teeth out and you can
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  Speaker 1: be my tooth fairy for $ 150. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: the going rate for a child's tooth should be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, not $ 150.
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  Speaker 1: Like growing up, we used to get $ 1 for our teeth.
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  Speaker 1: That was the going rate. I remember hearing some kids
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  Speaker 1: got a note, like a $ 5 and a $ 10, and
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, what the hell?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose 30 years on with inflation, maybe
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  Speaker 1: it should be a $ 5 note.
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  Speaker 2: I've got no idea, really.
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  Speaker 1: I saw in the comment section there was a teacher
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  Speaker 1: who was suggesting that parents should make sure that they
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  Speaker 1: tell their child that each child has an individual tooth fairy,
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  Speaker 1: so that's why there are differing.
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  Speaker 2: Amounts for kids' teeth.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd probably be like, why have I got
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  Speaker 1: this cheap ass tooth fairy that's giving me fuck all? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: school makes it so difficult and social media. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same at Christmas time and also at Easter,
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  Speaker 1: how people just go so over the top. At least
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  Speaker 1: with Christmas, there is the buffer of the six week
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  Speaker 1: holiday break where kids have probably forgotten what they got
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas by then. Now, I do want to point
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  Speaker 1: out that Indy hasn't totally lost her mind. She was,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, rage baiting her followers. because in the video
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  Speaker 1: she pointed out that she was just joking and.
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  Speaker 2: Added a $ 5 note to the jar.
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  Speaker 1: She also said in the comment section that she convinced
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  Speaker 1: herself out of giving $ 150 and decided to spend it
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  Speaker 1: on getting her.
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  Speaker 2: Nails fixed instead.
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  Speaker 1: She did almost get sprung in the act though when
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  Speaker 1: she was performing her role of the tooth fairy, because
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  Speaker 1: when she was creeping into Navy's room to retrieve the tooth, Somehow, Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: Started blaring on her phone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no. That's so bad. Bachelor power couple Laura Byrne
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  Speaker 1: and Maddie J have welcomed baby number three.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful girl called Poppy Pearl Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this name was very on theme, particularly
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  Speaker 1: with their first daughter, Marlee May, like the two Ms.
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  Speaker 2: She's got the two Ps.
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  Speaker 1: Their middle daughter, Lola, though, she didn't get an L
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  Speaker 1: middle name.
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  Speaker 2: She is Lola Ellis.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of Ls in Ellis.
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  Speaker 2: It's clear they like very cutesy names.
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  Speaker 1: Now, days prior to the official announcement on Instagram, Matty
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  Speaker 1: J teased his followers that Laura was in labour, so
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  Speaker 1: he uploaded a video of him performing this jokey interpretive
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  Speaker 1: dance to apparently distract her from the contractions. It was
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  Speaker 1: very Meghan Markle of him to do so because he
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  Speaker 1: filmed it whilst he was in the hospital room. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different because Meghan was in labour, but
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  Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from with that baby mama dance.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't the same song though. No. He also shared
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  Speaker 1: a photo of the dreaded leather fold-out hospital chair that
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  Speaker 1: most fathers have to sleep in and wrote, so old foe,
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  Speaker 1: we meet again. But following those posts, it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much radio silence. And I noticed in the Life Uncut
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  Speaker 1: Facebook group, there were a lot of listeners who were
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  Speaker 1: growing increasingly impatient and saying, oh my God, Laura feels
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  Speaker 1: like a friend.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I hope she's okay. I hope everything's okay. So on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: Laura and Maddie J finally broke the news, writing, third
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  Speaker 1: time really is a charm. Our sweet little Poppy girl
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  Speaker 1: is here and we are truly and utterly obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: every inch of you. Poppy Pearl Johnson, welcome to the world,
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  Speaker 1: precious one. Now, the comment section, of course, blew up
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  Speaker 1: and Laura's co-host Brit wrote, there she is, utter perfection
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  Speaker 1: and Poppy is cute too. I found the announcement a
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  Speaker 1: little bit anticlimactic because Matty J already dropped the baby
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  Speaker 1: name on his podcast weeks ago. It wasn't actually even
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  Speaker 1: on his own podcast. It was on the Stellar podcast,
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  Speaker 1: something to talk about, which was even odder. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Laura has spoken a lot about how with baby number three,
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  Speaker 1: she hasn't really been reveling in how magical this experience
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  Speaker 1: is because She's been so distracted with looking after her
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  Speaker 1: two other kids and making sure all their work is
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  Speaker 1: done because she's worked right up until her labor. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's just like a case of they got so
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  Speaker 1: used to using the name that it's just slipped out
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, we've got to run with it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was in a similar situation with Jack's name in
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  Speaker 1: terms of with family and friends. I was just telling
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  Speaker 1: everyone his name. Well, he said during this interview with Stella,
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  Speaker 1: we are absolutely excited and cannot wait to meet this
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  Speaker 1: little girl, Poppy. And Laura only found out about the
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  Speaker 1: slip up when a follower asked her during a Q &
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  Speaker 1: A whether she punched Matt in the ovaries for revealing
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  Speaker 1: the baby name. And she responded saying, he did fucking what?
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  Speaker 1: And then later that night, they filmed themselves in bed
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  Speaker 1: while Laura questioned Matty J about it. And initially he
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  Speaker 1: kind of denied it in a joking way, but they
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  Speaker 1: both ended up having a laugh.
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  Speaker 2: And Laura suggested that he obviously just let it slip.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's got something else to be annoyed at Maddie
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  Speaker 1: about because on one of the most recent episodes of
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  Speaker 1: Life Uncut, the one she filmed just before she gave birth,
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  Speaker 1: she spoke about how this time around she was going
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  Speaker 1: to a private hospital. However, it turns out that Matt
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  Speaker 1: is the one that takes care of all of the
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  Speaker 1: private health insurance. And she kept asking him, oh, can
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  Speaker 1: you send me this form? I need to submit it
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital. And he kept kind of putting it off.
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  Speaker 1: And it turned out that he had accidentally let their
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  Speaker 1: private health insurance lapse back in February. They'd send him
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  Speaker 1: all these emails saying, you need to pay now or
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  Speaker 1: we're going to cut you off. Well, because you need
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  Speaker 1: to have the private health in place, I think, for
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  Speaker 1: a year in order to be able to use its
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  Speaker 1: benefits when you are pregnant. Also, it just cut off
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  Speaker 1: because they weren't paying for it. So it's not even
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  Speaker 1: like they were paying for a lower level of coverage.
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  Speaker 2: They had just stopped paying completely.
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  Speaker 1: And then Britt Hockley's like, oh, maybe cut this out
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  Speaker 1: if you don't want it going out there. But hang on,
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  Speaker 1: weren't you guys ambassadors for Bupa? So it turns out
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  Speaker 1: that they were ambassadors. So I don't know whether through
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  Speaker 1: this ambassador deal they signed them up and then it
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  Speaker 1: got to a point in February where maybe it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: contra anymore and they had to start.
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  Speaker 2: Paying for it or something.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't necessarily think that you get
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  Speaker 1: health insurance as a contra. I feel like there would
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  Speaker 1: be some legalities around it. I think they were probably
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  Speaker 1: just paid by Bupa to be in the ad. Well,
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  Speaker 1: even if that's the case, it's a bit awkward that
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  Speaker 1: they're promoting this private health insurance that they don't actually have. Mm-hmm. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I am very intrigued to hear how they're going. I
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  Speaker 1: hope that Laura does return at some point when she's
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  Speaker 1: ready to do an interview because she said that she's
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  Speaker 1: expecting the worst but hoping for the best. Now, that
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  Speaker 1: is the wise words of someone who has.
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  Speaker 2: Previously had two other children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's interesting because she hasn't set a return
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  Speaker 1: date on Life Uncut. She said that, you know, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: she might be back in three weeks. She might be
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  Speaker 1: raring to go. Well, Maddie J is replacing her on
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  Speaker 1: The Pickup, which was an interesting choice. I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: it would have been Keisha. Well, Keisha's filling in for
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  Speaker 1: her on Life Uncut. I mean, I suppose Maddie J
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  Speaker 1: is pretty ambitious and he has been on radio before. So,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got his own podcast. I thought it was
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: a bit odd though, because I thought he might be
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: at home with them because there's three kids at home.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: But then again, they do have Maddie J's mum living
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: with them. So I'm sure there will be a lot
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: of support around. Almost a year on from Liam Payne's
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: tragic death, his girlfriend Kate Cassidy has generated headlines for
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: sharing a series of AI-generated images of the couple. In
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: the photos, Liam is embracing Kate at a recent event
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: she attended. In a caption to her 956,000 followers, Kate wrote,
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  Speaker 1: AI is a blessing and a curse. She then shared
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  Speaker 1: a video of a box filled with letters, postcards and
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  Speaker 1: Polaroids from Liam and captioned it, Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really important to point out that Kate
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  Speaker 1: Cassidy did not actually create these AI images herself. They
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: were created by a fan. Now, in response to the
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: AI photos, some One Direction fans said that they felt
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: uneasy seeing the photos, whilst others said that it's unhealthy
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: for her to share them. And the media were very
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: quick to jump on this story. So they reported that
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Kate was paying tribute to Liam Conrad. almost a year
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: out from the anniversary of his death. There was a
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: lot of noise around the fact that she had shared
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: these photos. I mean, I personally didn't think it was.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: A big deal.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I follow Kate. I saw these photos pop up. I
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: thought that's a nice way for her to feel connected
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  Speaker 1: to him. I mean, it's all stemming from the fact
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: that Kate has been receiving a lot of negative attention
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  Speaker 1: for the way she has chosen to mourn her boyfriend,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: which I just don't understand. Like everyone mourns things differently.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: She is coping the best that she can. I personally
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: really enjoy seeing her journey with it because It is
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: quite rare to see someone in the public eye so
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: openly talking about their journey with grief because often you
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: just see the person at the funeral.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: You then see them a couple of years later. They
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: seem to be handling things well.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: But she often speaks on Instagram about how she's dealing
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: with it and the ways that she's coping and keeping
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Liam's memory alive. She often posts these little signs that
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: she sees from Liam. And as someone who is a
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: big One Direction fan, I feel comforted in seeing them.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: So she always sees the number 444, which she says
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: is an angel number. So it shows that Liam is
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: her guardian angel. She also often sees formations of clouds
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: in the sky that look like his signature tattoos. And
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: it was quite sweet because last month for his 32nd birthday,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: she commemorated it by baking a cake and writing, happy birthday, Liam.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I know you still have the biggest sweet tooth in heaven.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: The thing that is a bit uncomfortable is there are
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of One Direction fans who don't like her
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: because they blame her for Liam's death because she did
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: leave Argentina a few days before he died. And they
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: keep saying, why weren't you there for him? I mean,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: talk about victim blaming. The woman's had her boyfriend die tragically.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's only 25 as well, which blows my mind.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: And the thing is a lot of people are saying, oh,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you're only 25.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Speaking about Liam to stay relevant.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, she's talking about him because if she
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: pretended like her life just went on, she'd also be
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: accused of just using him. I mean, this is the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: difficult thing. TikTok is a place where people just spread
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: hate anyway. So if she wasn't posting about him and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: had moved on and was getting on with her life,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: she would be trolled for saying how heartless she was
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and that she didn't really ever care about Liam. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: now because she does share about how she's dealing with
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the grief, it's that she's a clout chaser. So she
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't really do anything other than not post online, but
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: her job is.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: As an influencer. She has to earn a living. She
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: has to make money.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Liam Payne's son was given the inheritance. She hasn't got
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: any inheritance. And it sounded like Liam was quite close
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to popping the question to her as well. So, I mean,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it's very heartbreaking for her and it'd be very difficult
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to move on. Now, she did hit back at the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: negative comments surrounding the AI images. She posted a video
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to her 1.7 million followers on TikTok.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to some of what she said.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I've said it once before and I'm going to say
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: it again. Please stop judging the way people grieve. Over
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the past few days, I've seen so many posts, so
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: many news articles even, kind of in a way bashing
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: me for finding comfort and peace in seeing photos of
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: me and Liam created with AI. None of you have
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: ever been in my position and hopefully you never will be.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: So please, please kindly stop telling me how to grieve
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: and how I should be finding comfort and what I
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be finding comfort in. Grief is so different for everyone.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: There is no right or wrong. Grief is not linear.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So this is a message for anybody out there who
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: is dealing and navigating through grief, I want you to
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: know that do whatever it takes for you to get
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: through your days just that little bit more peaceful.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Kate went on to say she appreciated the fans who
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: made the AI edits and that she hates seeing them
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: getting criticized too. She also said she understands that people
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: all over the world are still grieving her boyfriend's passing
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and it's a testament to the huge impact he had
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: on the world. I think we've all got to remember
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that grief doesn't necessarily look the same for everyone. This
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is a 25-year-old woman who lost her boyfriend in the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: most shocking and public circumstances. I just think if this
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: AI image brings her some comfort and peace, then that's
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: all that matters. Who are we to judge how she's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: dealing with this? Yeah, and she's not the only person
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: who's lost a partner that shares this type of content.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: There is a niche for widows, and people who have
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: lost partners to share how they're grieving and going through
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the process. And then it creates this community where they
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: can connect with other people who've gone through the same thing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think my only worry about these images is that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: perhaps they could be causing her more pain because it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is showing how her life could have been because these
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: are photos of of her at recent events. And she's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: probably thinking, Oh God, I just wish Liam was at
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this event with me. Yeah. There's been a lot of
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: discussions about how AI is being used and can potentially
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: be used in the future to keep people's memories alive.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I find it all a little bit creepy to be honest.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Like, I still remember on Neighbours when Margot Robbie was
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: playing Donna and she was married to Ringo. Remember that?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, and he died in a car accident.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And she kept playing his voicemail back over and over
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: again and listening to it. I still feel sad thinking
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: about that and it's just really, unsettling.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: To think about how far AI technology.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Can go to keep people's memories alive. Well, it would
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: already be so tough for Kate Cassidy because her boyfriend
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: was in one of the most famous boy bands. Her
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: algorithm on TikTok would be full of content of him,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: interviews of him. There's so much vision of him around. Yeah. Well,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today.
• 20:12
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