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ASS Alliance or Gen Con 2023 Keyforge Nationals Recap · Archons Corner

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  Taking ununeasy. That's a dream to tell us everybody. Hello there, keyboards
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  gamer is this is Christian Peterson from Ghost Galaxy and you're listening to Arkhon's corner.
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  All right, what's going on? Everybody? I am the one,
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  the only, the w o O okay, I joined here by the normal
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  cast of misfits. We got the Hey, we got ewalk Hello, keyboards
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  community. You got a shortened intro this week, sorry or not? We
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  got ship yes, as per norm, and we got Southerly hely draft scorers
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  on assignment. This week. He is staking out the gig game Center for
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  the best available seats for losing is what I what I've gotten. But we
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  had gen Con this past weekend. We took the last week off for everybody
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  to go to gen Con? Boys, how was gen Con? Busy?
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  Busy? Yeah? Buy lots of walking, So you say busy. I
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  actually had the most amount of time that I've ever had at gen Con.
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  But I will agree there was another round one loss. Huh round two?
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  Oh? Sorry, nope, that's nobody's gonna laugh about it. No,
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  nobody, just me. I think he lost on round one. No,
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  technically a play styles joke, you know how when you lose round one,
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  you get like a three hour by Yeah. No, actually my my my
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  reason for walking was trying to find contact solution. A little kios did not
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  have it in our hotel, so I walked to Yeah, I mean it
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  was a CVS kiosk Oh, it was a okay, yeah, it was
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  a CVS Chias. So I walked outside of our exhibit hall and found the
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  closest gas station and speedway usually would have it, and they did not.
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  That was also a very shoddy speedway. I would seriously question going in there
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  ever ever again. And change your pants this trip? Change my pants?
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  Yeah, or didn't? You almost got arrested a Philly because you're changing I
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  mean, it was just it was just really hot. So I went ahead
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  and de robed into some shorts for Philly. But that was in the back
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  of your ascors, car Man. Good, No, no problems. In
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  Indianapolis, they're a little more lenient with the taking off of the pants role.
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  No, I just simply had shorts on the whole time. But then
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  I already didn't change him in order to avoid that mess. But I did.
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  I go ahead and walk another two miles to be able to locate the
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  final CBS, so I'm very happy. The first night I headed out and
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  I turned around at like twelve fifteen, so I'm glad I didn't try and
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  do it at that time of hour. But this was just in the afternoon.
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  It was a fun walk. I also met Jive, who happened to
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  be one of the owners from Queen Games, and struck up a really nice
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  conversation, so it was a really good time overall. He walk was on
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  double duty on his brown nosing. He was just laying it out. And
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  actually when I was over at Speedway, I did pick up milk and then
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  walked the two miles. I would not recommend doing that, but as the
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  milk made it. But when I was walking, I ran into this gentleman
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  leaving the Speedway lots. I did not want to send anyone there, and
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  I almost questioned whether I should just beg someone to give me a ride because
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  I had walked quite a bit that day already. But it worked out because
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  as I was coming out of that parking lot, Rejive was there and he
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  was trying to find his restaurant for the night, and he was in the
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  absolute wrung director, So I mean like he was going last, and he
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  needed to be east of the convention center. But it just ended up turning
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  into a really nice conversation. I got to talk about families and things that
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  are a little bit more important. And the farther I walked, I actually
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  suggested, there's something more important than key Forge. I wasn't them now,
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  I wasn't playing key Forge Thursday. It was it was supposed to him.
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  Yeah, yeah, I did talk about key Forge, so I mean there
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  was something there, but no, I had no idea who he was until
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  he actually got there, and I was just walking in the same direction.
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  So I'm like, all right, I'll take you. And then he started
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  speaking fluent German and showed me his directions, which were all in German.
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  So my ability to decipher German is limited. Thanks to a good friends who
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  grew up on a Air Force base over there, I have some German,
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  but very very little. So it was it was interesting. But the further
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  we walked, nice gentleman took a three tenths of a mile detour to make
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  sure he got directly to spot and turned around. It was it was a
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  good day. It was sunny, a German foreign language deck there there we
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  go that would be fun. Milk. Oh this this one was two percent
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  because Ewok likes to go ahead and rock and roll was some cinnamonto scrunch and
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  Sheep would Sheep was holding me hostage and would not let me stop. The
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  night before. Wha, how is sheep holding you? Now? He drove
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  and he is like, you're not getting milk. No, this will go
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  ahead and tilt you and you will not be able to play blood Sugar.
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  I win. After the last trip to Minnesota, I know Sheep's Shenanigans.
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  Who will in the back of a car of a minivan? I was unaware
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  he was driving. So the big question for you all, gentlemen, is
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  where were you Thursday morning? M hm hm was wandering around lost? Or
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  was he sitting three dollars worth the magic of the gathering car? That was
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  Wednesday night? Sorry, yeah, and Wednesday night Sheep was having a lot
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  of fun. We did have a stop by visit from our good friend George
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  Keegel. Thank you very much for pulling over to double check on us.
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  Cheap What happened when we were driving your bat juju got us a flat tire?
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  Oh boy, twenty minutes before it becomes seven thirty and everything shut down.
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  We got a big old quarter inch silver tube stuck in the tire that
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  clearly drove over something. Clearly you didn't missed the giant tube in the middle
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  of the road. Giant. Yeah, it's a quarter inch hole and you're
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  tire though, sure seems giant. Yeah did it blow or was it just
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  flat? No? Picture a cylinder that is like a miniature straw and it
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  puncture right through. But yeah, that lets air out right away, and
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  it just deflated. That's what I was asking. Did it deflate or did
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  it like blow to the point where you had rubber? It deflated and ewok
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  got me to successfully go to a store and we bought just a patch kit.
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  We patched ourselves. An hour and a half later, we were back
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  on our way. Well, I mean we we did stop at a tire
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  place, yes, but that's a boring story, so we don't tell it.
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  You guys will have a very large affinity for blowing tires. I do
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  believe the first of all tour that we ever were all at you also blew
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  a tire. I don't remember that. Yes, is that the one where
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  I had to go to the costco and get a tire request. Oh yeah,
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  yeah, I do. I took you there. Yep. We also
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  leading up to this, e Walk really had to go to the bathroom,
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  but we were in construction and Sheep's like, no, no bathroom, and
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  so we're talking about I actually need to We're we've been in the car for
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  like an hour, and he's like talking like yes people, but I'm like,
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  do I actually need to stop? And he's like no, no,
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  I'm fine, I gotta teach you blad. I'm like, okay, so
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  I'm just gonna keep driving. Then later he's like so about this being,
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  I'm like, do you actually have to be No, No, I don't
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  actually have to pee, And I'm like, okay, so I'm just gonna
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  keep driving. So you must remember that I have an additional hour plus drive
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  in addition to that. So we were except Pete at my work in the
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  grass that this is true. But once you open that veils, man,
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  you can't turn it off. Is that a step up from the peeing we
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  normally do in the parking ride? Yes, yeah, yeah, it's kind
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  of tradition. But there was a little like barrier, so I hopped over
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  that and then I just disappeared for a little bit. It's kind of tradition's
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  workplace. Well, normally you find a car that nobody's in it, or
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  in Sheep's case, you pee right next to the car with someone in it
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  and you just peek. Yeah, that only happened once, but it was
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  funny enough, So all right, I mean it was It was a good
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  time. But we got to tire on and off. George stopped by to
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  check on us. We were good. There's something about Indianapolis. Something always
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  has to go wrong. Last time we ended up in Michigan, you know,
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  you know, we we did try, but Sheep would not take me
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  to Michigan. This time. No, we weren't headed in Detroit. Probably
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  for the better really, to be honest. So you you said Thursday morning,
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  I don't know where were you guys Thursday morning. I know where I
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  was Thursday morning, and that was exciting. I was, well, you're
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  at work, okay, I think Thursday, Sheep and me I headed over
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  to the to the stadium to play some unchained Sheep. Sheep did a really
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  welter's day. Sheep is now you're unchained champion. I feel like there should
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  be a title belt that roams around for the unchained champion with my sweet prizes
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  of some sleeves and an on chained deck. Zee who didn't win the chained
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  battles? What'd you get? I got some sleeves and an unchained deck for
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  coming in second? You want difference between first and second? See walk would
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  you get? I got Laura Conna? Oh oh, I got Laura Khna.
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  We got to work for a company on paid, then buy an overhyped
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  product and screw some person out of their money. Like, I think we
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  had a much better day. All right. So Draft had Draft had never
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  been into gen Con at all, so it is a good friends. I
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  walked him in. I'm like, hey, we'll go into the exhibit all
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  but I also wanted to get some more kana from my girls and myself,
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  and I'm sold at all. You profiteering, incorrect one. That's all always
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  saying that that's a good thing. Yeah and incorrect. I still have the
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  starters. The girls each opened up one and we're all happy. I'm but
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  happy. We went in and dress like. We actually went in the wrong
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  hall to start. It was more of a game center where people are playing,
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  Like, I don't think this is right we squiggled back and I had
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  seen from our Lord Kana Discord that people had been there since three thirty in
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  the morning and five thirty and something. I'm like, oh, I'm not
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  getting anything at all. So I went ahead and we were going through,
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  and I'm like, dress follow me because you know we're skinnyish. And I
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  start leading through and I'm in, like, giddo, I've seen you.
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  This is a very very tight group that is out in front of our doors.
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  And I turned around and draz Scores nowhere to be found. So I
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  lost them lost. I lost drazz Core and I could not find drazz Core
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  and did you have a tag on them? You know, I should have
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  put an air tag on them. I really should have because there were seventy
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  thousand people there this year, guys. This is not a new record seventy
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  thousand. So yeah, I went in. I was hanging out with the
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  Lorkana individuals. John t was right behind me, some some big personalities,
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  and they open up the doors. Everyone floods in and it was a massive
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  stampede. I'm actually bracing for the young lady who's behind me with her husband.
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  I've been there, were we we know we know this process. There
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  was a lady who was with her daughter and her grandchild. They were pushing
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  the stroller and there were two wheelchairs and all of a sudden we hear this
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  blood curdling scream. So someone had a panic attack and went down, and
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  all of the lor Kana Kana people had been stationed. They had a nice,
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  beautiful line, but gen Con actually took down that line and said,
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  Nope, we don't have lines here at gen Con, so deal with it.
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  And that was not a good choice. Gen Con. That was so
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  not a good choice. So everyone streamed in in two different doors. We
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  had a panic attack, we were helping someone off on the side. People
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  kept squiggling around and when I get to the lor Kana booth, I again
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  continue to squiggle through and there are like eight different lines trying to get into
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  this lar Khana booth and there's like five people working the lor Khana booth and
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  I'm like, oh my goodness. So our line did not move for easily
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  ten minutes, and t for me just could not handle that. So teacher
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  Me said, hey, guys, I'm gonna go step over these lines.
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  I'm going to direct it. And someone called me warlord and I'm like,
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  I'm not a warlord. I just can't handle this chaos. And later they
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  came back and called me warlord again because I did step over the lines.
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  And then they're like, hey, so and so is talking. I was
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  talking to some other YouTubers and I just said, hey, I don't really
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  care. I'm giving up my spot. I want to go here to be
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  able to help. And I spend the next forty minutes being a Ravensburger employee
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  and directing them. And it's not difficult. Tell me how many people are
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  in your party. You hauled up hands. We had a lot of international
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  people there, people from England, from Germany, from Netherlands. People were
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  brand new who were here for the game. It was kind of cool.
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  So next forty minutes I literally directed. I got some meats, heads up
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  people from Ravensburger, and we finally got it down to a single file line.
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  So while these guys were playing some KeyForge, I had a great time
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  and I'm like, hey, we're down a single file and I went through.
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  I got one box sheep and three starters because we were starters. Waited
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  it was it was, but there was they had sleeves and you had a
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  weird talent for getting employed by companies that don't employ you. No, no
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  spoils for the warlord. No. Actually the spoil is I didn't have to
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  be there. And there was individuals from China I also met who come up
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  at twelve thirty and I got them in. But I came in a lot
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  later, and I was able to get product on that first day. And
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  I will tell you on Friday, Saturday and Sunday they actually had a line
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  and they had wristbands and it was much more organized and it was much better.
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  But on Thursday we maintained the chaos. I'm actually known on the discords
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  now for lor Kana because I was the man in the red shirts. I
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  guess Blue Blue Shirt band had created a bunch of casks in the morning,
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  but Red Shirt Man helped them out and I got some pictures. I smiled.
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  I did put up my box and it did sell before I finished lunch,
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  Like I literally put it up as I was going into lunch at to
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  something, and within ten minutes it was already gone. So I felt content
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  there. I get harassed by sheep, but what was in the box support?
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  I totally did that with fab Yeah, And to be honest, people
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  were opening, People were opening and getting their enchantments and selling them for one
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  to four thousand dollars, and an enchantment falls in every two to three boxes.
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  So I feel fine with what I made out. It was a good
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  time and I'm I'm not in the worst shape here, So all right,
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  I had some fun, good stories. We're not here to talk about war
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  conor sure we are I think is better or are we you never know,
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  But today we're here to talk about what happened during the US Nationals events.
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  We had Nationals. This this is whole this whole week was about Nationals.
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  Yea the smallest major event ever if we considered a major. Well, they
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  were stricted. They didn't have the space and they couldn't go ahead and open
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  it up tickets and they still don't. Sixty six people the first thing.
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  So like, so I guess we weren't entirely thought n't changed. I have
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  fun cleaning it. I do wish they had like a little bit more like
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  organization and some pomp and circumstance behind it, like like it was fun,
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  Like put a leaderboard up on the website so like people could see that and
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  like recognize the people that are doing it. They would be a fun thing
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  to have something like we used to remember we used to have a leaderboard of
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  like stuff and things coral. You know, you could scan a code and
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  see that where you lead, where you are on unchained duels. Yeah,
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  but I think they needed to play it all up a lot more than they
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  did. I think the event had finished, you like I had to go
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  ask prising for a second. You had to go ask it first. There
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  was no announcement that we got for a second third, like like they did
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  that for KFC with Y. They announced that after we left, because we
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  left at seven forty five for dinner. The event ended at eight, so
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  we just left just before they announced it. But I also think that they're
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  like, it's just those guys, so who cares? Right like there,
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  You know, if it would have been other people, I think they would
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  have pretended like it mattered more. But they just don't. What are you
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  saying there's some sort of weird conspiracy with GG against AC No. I think
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  it's the team's asking and this this situation. I really guess that either I
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  just don't think they had like a plan for that for this of it,
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  like, I think they need to do a lot better with these little side
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  events. You definitely want a lot more for winning the one at Celebration,
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  Yeah, I want a ton of stuff like that was really cool and like
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  it was also all three days people were doing those games, Like kept play
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  a lot more games too, that's true too, Yeah, like I had
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  like twenty seven games or something. But I think that this is where I
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  don't know if Wookie you put up Colby's kind of rant or discs that you
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  can find Colby's discussion with big z over at our patron. Yeah, and
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  so that came about, well, it was nice scene Colby from Bouncy Death
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  quirk back and kind of but we had talked about marketing. GG has to
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  do a better job with marketing and being able to show that pump and circumstance
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  to show that these events are worthwhile to attend well. And then like that's
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  where, like our boy Jeremy needs to step up. I guess like we've
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  we've got another person from Josh is here for for O P. He's gonna
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  do that, like you've still we've been there for three weeks. Give a
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  shit. I'm tired of giving me make it. Okay, job that I
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  get paid to do. Ownership is immediate. That's what I was told,
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  right, Like, Okay, I really don't think that's fair in this situation.
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  But if it was, where like double elimination has to go away and
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  oh please anything stop like started with a chain though, but like but again,
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  like if this was your third week on the job, she would you
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  think you would have done better presentation wise? Is everything that happened on Thursday?
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  Well, yes, of course, but why would have make exications myself
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  list that is paid to do it? Again, I think gen Con was
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  way too quick for them to change on a dime. So all the changes
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  are coming fourth I believe will be for the next Wait, so they didn't
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  know the last eight months that gin Coon was coming. Is that that's what
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  we're going with surprise. I'm saying that they didn't care about the KFC feedback,
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  and once Philly happened, then you know it was a bit more vocal.
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  Oh you're talking about the double limits. I'm not. I'm talking about
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  that. I'm just looking as far as the unchained as an event, Like
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  like when I was saying before Philly, when I was saying before gin con
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  like, My big wish is that the other things outside of the main event
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  are is done better because it is expensive to go to these things. If
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  you are the one that craps out goes oh two or one two or whatever,
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  if you don't make day two, or if you don't spend your whole
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  day going through the loser's bracket, like you will have basically played very little
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  meaningful key Forward. So all of these other little things, as far as
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  like a cost to consumer are actually that little of a thing. Like they
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  they need to be tangibly better than what we're seeing every single time they're executed.
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  Again, I keep reference to key Forwards Live, but like we had
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  no professional experience yet one hundred and twenty five people were actively playing key Forge
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  for some kind of meaningful prize the entire three days that they were there.
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  We got constant feedback about that. Lots of money. Yeah, and that's
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  the biggest cutting into our bottom line. Was already hitting them to the point
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  where the stuff that I'm saying, the people are already there. They're literally
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  sitting around doing nothing. Look, that was the big thing I was saying,
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  is that you know, again, for seventy five dollars. Let's just
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  say, worst case scenario, you go to then what yeah, I mean,
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  what what do you do it there's no prize wall there to spend on
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  or anything like that. If there was, that's only another ten minutes of
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  your time and that Yeah, but that's still that's that's something something to get
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  to win stuff from. A prize ball is more than ten minutes, Like,
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  that's what I'm talking about, the prize wall to spend shards on.
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  But you know, even then, even if it's ten minutes, it's something
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  to look forward to. You can look back at your time at SEID events
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  and be like, yeah, I got We're happening again. So you can
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  just quit bringing that one up. What to prize ball is gone? Hopefully
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  they do start. I really hope it's not gone, because every other major
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  TWOCG doesn't. Yeah, every other one, Fab does it, Magic doesn't,
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  Pokemon does it. You get every other a long time, most of
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  those games did not do it. I think it kind of started it and
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  then it kind of rolled into everything else. So for a long time,
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  you're correct, But for a long time nobody had a prize well because it
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  just it wasn't a thing. Until Magic started doing it and then everyone's like,
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  oh well, this game has it, so everyone else started doing it.
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  But getting exclusive stuff from a major event is kind of a big deal.
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  And that's what I want to second is eventually it should be under Now,
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  how is Nationals not a major event? Because Nationals can Nationals is intended
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  to not be run by Is Nationals considered a GG premiere event? Do they
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  consider that a premiere event according to the their scale, Yes, but it's
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  airports. I don't know. It is a major event. It's meant to
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  be major. Believe they did say that as that from the from the very
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  beginning, Gig said Nationals was definitely gonna be run by them. That's in
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  the in Peterson's presentation. So the thing that I would say is we receive
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  more feedback about trying to engage every member that shows up, whether that is
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  sixty some, whether it is sent into, whether it's capped or not.
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  We want to have engagement from every key Forge player who's there, and we
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  want to have something that people are going to walk away with. While it
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  was great that where we ended up finishing and we did get something, there
• 25:38
  were a lot of people who didn't and those little trinkets are something to look
• 25:42
  back at and remember your gen Con experience. Go oh yeah, this reminds
• 25:47
  me that gen Con or key Forge or the Vault Tour, whatever it is,
• 25:52
  was an enjoyable experience, and I want to do that again. And
• 25:55
  there is a considerable amount of money that is dropped at your vault tours,
• 25:59
  or in this case is extremely expensive, say instead of instead of people like
• 26:06
  me who get to go, oh, I just dropped a grand and all
• 26:08
  I got with a shitty T shirt. You know. Well, now it's
• 26:12
  a big thank you again to Marcus. He brought patches for Nationalist. So
• 26:18
  like, yes, the I did win a few little prizes, but really
• 26:22
  the only thing I brought home that I care about at all is my patch.
• 26:27
  Yeah, I mean, but that's still something, right, Like,
• 26:30
  that's something you look forward to, that was something you used to be able
• 26:33
  to spend a few shireds on the prize wall on and get a pin or
• 26:37
  a patch or whatever the you know, a play mat, a T shirt.
• 26:41
  I agree they need to do more. I just don't necessarily agree that
• 26:45
  the prize wall is the way to go. I'm like saying, like one
• 26:51
  thing or another about it all needs to be there. She like, like
• 26:55
  there needs to be all the things that not only like we did alive or
• 27:00
  ff T did before, Like most of that stuff is what people enjoyed about
• 27:04
  vaults. Like the reason that what my son and wife came along with me
• 27:10
  so much was how engaging and amazing the vault experience is one like they've quit
• 27:17
  now, but like I'm never going to get them to go back to another
• 27:19
  one of these because like they've heard my feedback, they know I enjoyed playing
• 27:23
  the game, and they know that you and me are stupid, and we're
• 27:26
  gonna keep going to these things, regardless of how badly we're treated. We're
• 27:30
  just gonna be there. Yeah, So like other people will not keep coming,
• 27:34
  Like I've I've met people at Philly that said they're not coming back to
• 27:37
  these anymore, and guess what, they weren't here even though they had tickets.
• 27:41
  Definitely, people after jen Con said I ain't come into another one of
• 27:45
  these. Yeah, I ran into three unique people that were not associated with
• 27:49
  one another that said they again, they are not going to a vault until
• 27:55
  a lot of the stuff changes. And as much as horrible as double elimination
• 27:59
  is like, that's the main catalyst that needs to be fixed. It's all
• 28:02
  of the little things too. Well, again, it's a thousand dollars roughly
• 28:06
  to go to these things. If you add up hotels, food, travel,
• 28:11
  event fees, it's like there are ways to get the price down from
• 28:15
  a thousand, But if you pay full price and don't do any like cost
• 28:18
  cutting stuff, it's basically a grand Like that is not a trivial amount for
• 28:22
  basically anybody play in this game, right, so the whole experience needs to
• 28:27
  get drastically better. And yes, well, and but they have to get
• 28:30
  rid of doubling. That's point one. But point two is you got to
• 28:33
  tell people about it, Like I think the biggest revealing thing from Colby's point
• 28:38
  of view. And again we haven't heard hypen our hair of bouncing death cork
• 28:45
  for some time. But you know, well that's great, you know,
• 28:49
  like, if that's what they want to do, go jam man. But
• 28:52
  I mean, if that's like their jam and like, but if you're like,
• 28:56
  hey, i'd really like to go play some key forage, how do
• 28:59
  you know about it? From just from the art from the ten minute interview
• 29:04
  you did with him, just talking to him, He barely knew this was
• 29:07
  going on. Yeah, he actually happened to be in the Colts Stadium for
• 29:15
  another game for gen Con. It was an airship battle game and he happened
• 29:18
  to see it and recognized KeyForge, so came over and was immediate. I
• 29:22
  mean this is someone who was very well invested in KeyForge before. It's like,
• 29:26
  yeah, I capped up with it. Hey do you guys have a
• 29:29
  dack around this? He played in Alliance then the next day because you're able
• 29:33
  to sign him up, but was really really really really disappointed in the marketing
• 29:37
  and the way to be able to actually stream games. I mean he's like,
• 29:41
  hey, I have Pokemont, I'm going a hide and going through that.
• 29:45
  That's his new gig. But we have to get word out to others
• 29:48
  that games are happening, especially top level, high level games. There's no
• 29:52
  reason that they're not being streamed or shown or letting people know the well.
• 29:56
  And now we know because like we haven't started talking about out the day whatever
• 30:02
  they want to bark on yet. But like there was no stream for anything,
• 30:06
  and there was no plan stream so like by design, like when ffg
• 30:11
  ran their first income, like that was the only Yeah, that is the
• 30:17
  only vault that I can recall that they as a company put on themselves exclusively.
• 30:22
  They hired their own everything, Like they had their whole crew there there
• 30:26
  had their they had their event. Yeah, but like they had their staff
• 30:32
  there, like all of the FFG people were there. They had streamers paid
• 30:37
  for it. They streamers did a pretty good job. They even set up
• 30:40
  a streamer in booth right there on the event floor. Well but if you
• 30:45
  was a good production, yeah see, I don't know if you remember,
• 30:47
  but actually getting a line for that stream caused quite a bit of issue.
• 30:52
  There was an extra cost that was there, and I think this comes down
• 30:55
  to the location where we ended up playing. I'm glad GG got us in,
• 31:00
  but it was definitely late and you can see it was separate from other
• 31:03
  areas in the main exhibit hall. So planning things ahead does need to happen
• 31:11
  if we're going to be successful, and that's why it was capped. We
• 31:14
  know that, we know that at this point it was capped because they came
• 31:18
  in too late. So oh, why like they do they were going to
• 31:22
  gincun in November of twenty two. How is it late because somebody didn't send
• 31:29
  in for paperwork and then I'll make sure in order to get it low like
• 31:33
  taken care of well. And also typically when you sign up for gen Con,
• 31:36
  you're a year out. You're signing up for twenty twenty four. Now,
• 31:42
  Like, it's not all no, because we saw the dropt that happened
• 31:48
  with board Crunch announcing they were going to run the staff and then announcing well
• 31:53
  ald up, allD up. Hold up, he never announced he was gonna
• 31:56
  run it. He just had a page on his website. That's all that
• 31:59
  happened, an official announcement. Don't put that on Arthur. H Okay,
• 32:05
  you're right. He never officially announced it, but clearly he was planning to
• 32:08
  have more to do with it. He had the Bolt Warrior branding stuff going
• 32:15
  on and stuff for a while, and that all kind of fizzled away again
• 32:19
  too, So clearly they were trying something different and that didn't end up happening,
• 32:28
  and then they went into scramble mode, which is why we heard about
• 32:30
  gen Con super duper late, and you could they were waiting to find out
• 32:36
  if they were an able to do anything because they were too late to its
• 32:37
  primary. Yeah, but the problem is is you announced it in November you
• 32:44
  would be at gen Con. You didn't announce it, so I mean by
• 32:49
  November you had to have somewhat kind of idea and all. And they also
• 32:52
  and they were at the previous year's gen Con Wookie. They announced the November
• 32:55
  that we're going to have OP running with Story Water. I should't assume,
• 33:00
  don't assume anything when it comes from the top level, you know, the
• 33:05
  CEO of the organization. I shouldn't assume that whatever they say is law.
• 33:08
  What does that guy know he runs the company? Not a big deal gen
• 33:14
  Con, Like everything else right else feels like it's tossed together last minute.
• 33:19
  We at least have something that's good enough. I don't know when we see
• 33:24
  them switch from throw stuff together good enough to be the next level of being
• 33:34
  really what they're envisioning. How do we buy their OP program? Is that
• 33:37
  is that a possibility? Like, Hey guys, we want to buy this
• 33:43
  branch of your company. You can just print the decks, do all the
• 33:45
  dev design. We want to own this portion of the game. Yeah,
• 33:51
  and we want to own When you're saying that, zeal, let's be very
• 33:53
  clear too, because we have a different vision of how to be able to
• 33:57
  run it so that it's enjoyable for people. Yeah, that's that's the reason.
• 34:00
  That's the reason, correct, that's your reason for wanting it. Not
• 34:04
  to do anything more than that, because we have a great community, but
• 34:07
  we're we're losing people. And I will say the event hall did have people
• 34:13
  coming and learning about key Forge consistently. Awesome. Yeah, there was both
• 34:21
  what were they getting out whatever? There was a lot of games and demos
• 34:27
  done that was good for our game. There was a lot of positive buzz
• 34:31
  at the demo booth. I don't remember what the numbers what they said,
• 34:34
  but they said a certain amount of hours, certain amount of games. There
• 34:37
  were a ton of demo games done for key forgeures. Yeah, so I
• 34:44
  actually think there was a very good on that side of the game, like
• 34:49
  like ambassadorship of our game in conjunction with them. Arthur did a good job
• 34:53
  of promoting key Forge doing his Sealed re Sealed thing. He had a ton
• 34:59
  of those game games fire. That's actually a really really good way of game.
• 35:06
  Here's my question, sheep, I believe you were doing some judging for
• 35:08
  mister Arthur. Correct. I did go and help out for a bit because
• 35:13
  he was a shorter person. How many people did Arthur have doing this resealed
• 35:17
  thing? There was like in the two that I've seen ran, I think
• 35:21
  it was fourteen and twelve players. Most of most players I had not seen.
• 35:30
  We're not on the floor, we're not in either of the major events.
• 35:35
  Well, but also remember that Arthur got his events in before GG and
• 35:39
  we could see that when we went and had the book the booklet listing from
• 35:44
  gen Con. That is a very important piece is again Arthur was organized.
• 35:47
  He had top notch mats. Again that we're able to be there, and
• 35:51
  I love seeing people play sealed in in a casual environment. You're gonna get
• 35:54
  a lot of people coming out for that, So I give him credit.
• 35:59
  I mean, if you're saying fourteen and twelve sheep, that's twenty six people.
• 36:01
  That's that's awesome, that's what we want to see. And you were
• 36:05
  there for one short little period of time. That's that's half an Alliance field.
• 36:07
  Amazing. And he posted somewhere some of the more he fired a ton
• 36:12
  of events. A lot of people played key Forge under those resealed events,
• 36:16
  and that's a really good way to get people like happy and excited with this
• 36:20
  game. It's almost like sealed cells weird, because it's almost like this game
• 36:25
  is good at that weird. So let's get on to gin. So we
• 36:35
  had Arkon Arkon fired on Friday with an astonishing round one of four people,
• 36:42
  and well, well let's start because we didn't Yeah, we did make some
• 36:46
  predictions, so how many total people we're doing? Okay, we're going to
• 36:52
  predictions next week because when we got predictions for Minnesota that was so I was
• 36:59
  so excited that. Okay, but yes, in order to get down to
• 37:02
  your suits numbers sixty four in this case, well, it's important to note
• 37:07
  that they did sell out, so seventy two tickets were sold for our cod
• 37:14
  like that is important before you get this number. And then showed up.
• 37:19
  Sixty two showed up, but then there were two people that showed I'm sorry,
• 37:22
  sixty four showed up, but there were two people that they were there
• 37:25
  trying to like buy in in case there were extra, in case there were
• 37:30
  people didn't show up. So we had sixty four of the seventy two.
• 37:32
  So eight people just didn't show up even they had a ticket. I personally
• 37:37
  knew of three they were like not coming because of double elimination bullshit. So
• 37:44
  I that's three of the eight. I don't know about the other five.
• 37:46
  But anyway, so the two people were able to buy a ticket there because
• 37:52
  there were there were slots left, which pushed us to sixty six. And
• 37:55
  then JR. Was gonna say the the next part, which is really funny.
• 38:00
  Yeah, So for our first round, and this is why we talk,
• 38:04
  I actually had to buy and Sheep, what did you do your first
• 38:08
  round? Nothing? Because you had to buy? And Zee what did you
• 38:14
  do your first round? Oh? I totally had to buy. You had
• 38:15
  to buy, and draft or was not here. We can also ask a
• 38:19
  draft coar what did you do? He had to buy as well. In
• 38:22
  fact, out of our sixty eight individuals who were there, sorry sixty six,
• 38:28
  there were two games that fired for a total of four people. So
• 38:32
  four people four And it was pretty funny because there were a couple of people
• 38:37
  that actually stopped by and go, oh and what's this? This is the
• 38:39
  finals and it wasn't. It was literally round number one when we had four
• 38:44
  people that were playing while everyone else was like totaled around them, like staring
• 38:50
  these four boards loles. Well, what else are you supposed to do?
• 38:53
  You guys? Those guys are at Lucas Oil Stadium, like to walk back
• 38:57
  to get to the floor. Yeah, you're probably gonna make it. What
• 39:01
  make it there just in time to maybe probably turn around. So yeah,
• 39:07
  I mean there was there was food outside of between Lucas and the Exhibit Hall.
• 39:10
  You could have maybe done that, but it wasn't worth your time.
• 39:15
  We did wait, but again, key Forge, we want to play KeyForge.
• 39:19
  We want to play KeyForge, so let us play KeyForge. Don't have
• 39:22
  these It's just it's absolutely silly that everyone is sitting and waiting when you could
• 39:30
  go ahead and have the breakdown that z has talked about numerous times with your
• 39:35
  survival our Cohn there and so it's what nine to sixteen people that would have
• 39:40
  to have one playing game at the end, versus having how many individuals just
• 39:45
  sitting here wait with so many buys because it's not just around one, it's
• 39:50
  all everything in the loser's back that the nightmare we've gone through. That's a
• 39:52
  bunch. That's not the purpose of our castiday. But yes, four people,
• 39:57
  four of the unluckiest sixty six possible people had to play in that round.
• 40:02
  And if you were the two people that lost I don't know what they
• 40:06
  did after that, but they should have just left and gone. And I
• 40:09
  don't know who played Lorcanna who who who? They all knows like what they're
• 40:13
  supposed to do. Nothing, There would have been nothing key for it's related
• 40:17
  for those two people to do for a really long time. Well, and
• 40:23
  you you talk about that, I actually should have paid better attention because I
• 40:27
  started talking with our community members and just singing out and I ended up facing
• 40:31
  Stormstrong, who was one of the four people who had to play. He
• 40:35
  did win, but I ended up facing him and what was my first round
• 40:38
  his second round. So I know that one of the big things that has
• 40:45
  come up why double elimination is there is collusion for your team and scouting.
• 40:50
  Goodness, if that one collusion can happen at any points, let's be very
• 40:55
  honest about that in this answer, I don't know where it came from.
• 41:00
  I heard that for the first time at gen Con. I guess a couple
• 41:02
  you all had gone up and talked to Christian Peterson like there that's literally a
• 41:07
  wash, it does. This was not from CTP. I will say that
• 41:09
  it was not from CTP. Well, but someone It just started being a
• 41:13
  thing people were talking about while we're at gen Con, and like, yes,
• 41:16
  I'm aware, I'm on one of the largest teams and the most competitive
• 41:20
  teams. But like, as far as the like, we have a lot
• 41:22
  of internal policies and producers in our team to make sure that crap is not
• 41:28
  a biden buying our team. But still, like all of the things that
• 41:32
  can be done in double elimination and Swiss in any other format you think are
• 41:37
  they're not format or set immune, like, they can be done in all
• 41:42
  of them. There's no stopping those things. Like the only thing you can
• 41:47
  do to prevent a lot of that is more active, better monitoring judges,
• 41:52
  people that are actively listening to what conversations are going on and just monitoring behaviors
• 42:00
  that they're pretty much awash across the board. So like if like that is
• 42:06
  just a bullshit answer as far as all that goes, because it exists in
• 42:10
  all both the formats that are being presented to them as options, whether it
• 42:14
  is double elimination or Swiss with double elimination removal after two losses, the teeming
• 42:21
  aspect is still a thing that has to be paid attention to buy the judging
• 42:24
  staff, does it honestly matter anymore now that an archon card is available at
• 42:30
  any given time during the game. That is actually a big part of it.
• 42:35
  I think they're talking about collusion in the aspect of like when people are
• 42:40
  paired up, one person is conceding to the other. But what I don't
• 42:44
  think that they're considering is like that's the part that can affect Swiss but in
• 42:49
  a double elimination of like environment where if someone is smart enough they could actually
• 42:54
  figure out the brackets, you could actually tell which member your team is feeding
• 42:59
  in. If you were going to talk about like dumping game for matchup.
• 43:02
  Shit, again, our team is never going to do that. But that's
• 43:07
  the thing, Like, yes, you remove the Swiss side of that,
• 43:10
  but then that's just doubled down on the ability to me to feel at the
• 43:14
  brackets on the other side of things. So like the whole answer of that
• 43:17
  being a thing is completely bogus. If teams want to manipulate the Swiss system
• 43:23
  or the bracket system, they can. We have a great key Forge community.
• 43:29
  I don't see this. I know what they're trying to prevent, but
• 43:31
  the end result is then send your judges out, listen, keep open ears
• 43:37
  watch for people look for things. If you really need to a Swiss,
• 43:39
  go ahead and just block out that middle section and you make the cut when
• 43:43
  it is appropriate in the nine to sixteen for that plan. That's thanks about
• 43:47
  an example of like what some team bullcraft could have looked like when we get
• 43:52
  to the Alliance day, and I will say what I did. I was
• 43:55
  very publicable what I was going to do, and I talked to the judges
• 43:59
  about So yeah, anyway, ark on Wise, Like as far as how
• 44:05
  I did enjoy my day on ark on Wise, I had made it too.
• 44:08
  I had a buye, I won one one, and then I was
• 44:14
  in the playing round at the top eight, and then Zander Ford a win
• 44:20
  comes in on Donovan, which one of my teammates sold him like a couple
• 44:25
  of months ago. This is why x ray sucks. X ray sucks big
• 44:30
  time for this. So there's this deck like which I beat dan On twice
• 44:35
  in the top four event, and then this guy's like every time he sees
• 44:38
  a creature, he discards it. He steals a billion from me because his
• 44:42
  routine jobs came out perfectly. Wasn't able to furnish them in the right order,
• 44:45
  Like absolutely crush me. I didn't even key knocks me down into the
• 44:52
  loser's bracket, which I waited four hours before. I paired up to my
• 44:57
  opponents, who happened to be set of Mark, who won key for his
• 45:00
  live. I had an absolutely great game against Seth. It was fantastically played
• 45:06
  by him. He played to his outs knowing that's what he was doing.
• 45:10
  I saved up a bunch of untamed I played a way to greet with a
• 45:15
  bunch of untamed creatures while I was being forced to soary in with Mark of
• 45:17
  this and I was able to edge him out on top for the final key,
• 45:23
  and then I made my top eight. And then we immediately invited Xander
• 45:30
  for to win to team's ass so that we at least it didn't feel as
• 45:34
  bad getting my ass kicked by Donovan. So we really just re rerecruited Donovan
• 45:39
  more than Xander Woo because he's in the audience just getting anyways, one thing
• 45:52
  we didn't talk about real quick what happened to place now? Oh, at
• 45:57
  the very beginning of we actually started our late just snapped it in half and
• 46:02
  just busted. I think they might know more about it than me. All
• 46:07
  I know is though at some point we couldn't report our wins in play style
• 46:12
  anymore, and all the pairings had to walk up to the judge like we
• 46:15
  used to and report together. So the shot the event. For my understanding
• 46:22
  of what went down to play Style, it was issues of internet connectivity and
• 46:27
  gen con because they didn't have it carline and we know this, so there
• 46:30
  was wait time after round one called TACH issues, and then after round two
• 46:36
  is when we had to report to HQ because they couldn't go ahead. People
• 46:39
  were reporting and it wasn't cycling fast enough and if you basically hit it again,
• 46:45
  it was causing the system to have issues, and so that's where they
• 46:51
  were. That's where there was some concerns. So they just had us report
• 46:53
  after round two, which again round one was four players. Round two was
• 46:58
  the first round with everyone. So pay for that internet. Don't steal your
• 47:04
  internet from McDonald's was the story. Have a hard line man, have a
• 47:07
  hard line something with a very nice ethernet cable renting for McDonald's. No,
• 47:13
  I don't know, I don't. I don't know about you. I've never
• 47:16
  seen it Ethernet port at McDonald's. But I guess maybe I'm not looking hard
• 47:20
  enough. So you're telling me you've never seen like a router set up behind
• 47:24
  the counter. You know, No, I don't know. How did you
• 47:29
  do it? Our gun? Fraud did what fraud supposed to do. He
• 47:34
  nine and zero on day one in these majorish events. I won four games.
• 47:38
  I got to play aw Mountain, who's a regular round here, and
• 47:43
  then I got to play what I played first. Then I played Sithe of
• 47:49
  egg Mar. Then I played Aviator or those two. I got to play
• 47:52
  Sith and Aviator and they're on they're on similar kind of decks in there,
• 48:00
  and then grossness with marks of diss that I had to sit there and play
• 48:05
  around. Idn't realize too, that's very unfortunate. Yeah, it is what
• 48:14
  it is. And then I got to play Ben the Monkey, who has
• 48:19
  traveled with us to many events in the past. That was also a good
• 48:24
  game, but Fraud seemed pretty well set to deal with that one. So
• 48:31
  I mean I won four games. It was good, So I made it.
• 48:38
  I made it. I made it farther. Round one was the buy
• 48:43
  where we're all waiting. Round two I played storm Strong and I took the
• 48:46
  win. Round three, I took a loss, so that that one hurts.
• 48:52
  It was a triple bone niffing red penny, triple loss in the woods
• 48:57
  really well to deck for woe and for my creature Spam. I made a
• 49:04
  choice, and I believe that was the difference. So this was Jonathan from
• 49:07
  a team Dayton, and I made a choice not to purge one of the
• 49:13
  bows but to take an amber pip instead, and in the final turn he
• 49:19
  played all three bonit things and the red penny to steal seven and to drop
• 49:23
  it. Basically I was up on keys, but that was the difference.
• 49:29
  Then we were kind of fighting for key three and just was it was not
• 49:35
  in my cards. We had lunch break and a bye. I played our
• 49:38
  two fan on World's Collide and took a win. I played Matney and I
• 49:46
  was able to go ahead and take him down. Then zero dins and sires,
• 49:51
  which was another win, and I faced Aviator with my memorable game and
• 49:55
  Aviator Man two Mark of dis and in Furnace and Screaming Cave, and the
• 50:02
  highlight from that game was I was Mark six different times, four times in
• 50:07
  a row, and the third time in disc was the key. I made
• 50:10
  a choice. I pulled both of my in furnace at that time, and
• 50:14
  I played one of them when he was hitting me with the Mark while in
• 50:19
  dis I did have three disc creatures out, so that was nice get at
• 50:23
  least get a reap. But I made the choice to hold my second in
• 50:28
  furnace and he chose not to screaming caves, so we played Shutow of diss
• 50:31
  and Mark of dis or both of those two were in the discard pile,
• 50:38
  and because he did not screaming cave, I was able to come back and
• 50:44
  that was the difference. So it was it was a very fun game.
• 50:47
  We talked about it and then at the end I faced JM twelve four nine
• 50:54
  three. That's Jacob from Drascors local Philly scene, and he was on Whoa
• 51:00
  and woe was set to take me out in turn nine and it was three
• 51:05
  keys after time, so that one went to time on WHOA. But I
• 51:08
  was able to make my first top eight. Boys and girls, well deserved
• 51:14
  they are you been playing awesome? Got there? Good stuff, good stuff
• 51:21
  indeed. But Dad finishes out ar Con day one, little different from normally
• 51:28
  they went from ark on day one two just Alliance day one. I don't
• 51:32
  know if this affected numbers or not. It might have because so we know
• 51:37
  they sold like sixty tickets, but only thirty six showed up. Yeah,
• 51:43
  I just I guess the way and I didn't fully. I know we read
• 51:46
  it here on a show, but for whatever reason in my head, it
• 51:51
  was stuck that it was going to be you would have your Day one,
• 51:54
  you know, your Day two is wouldn't be on the final day. It
• 51:58
  would be your Day two is would be in the morning, and then you'd
• 52:00
  start Alliance in the evening. But that's not how it went down. No,
• 52:06
  No, it was always intended to be on Saturday. I will say
• 52:08
  I had thirty nine for Alliance. Is what was talking to the teaching that
• 52:14
  today I understand, but that's that's I'm just saying that's what showed up.
• 52:19
  Okay, Yeah, but I will say I know that at least shape Nova
• 52:24
  myself all made the choice too. We had signed up for Alliance and I
• 52:30
  didn't want to play, but making top eight, I couldn't play in both.
• 52:34
  Yeah, like all of the eight people that had signed up for our
• 52:38
  coon also had a ticket for Alliance, and only one of them chose to
• 52:45
  play an Alliance on day two, and that being up. That was me,
• 52:47
  so I would have play. I only kind of played Alliance like,
• 52:52
  I actually had a lot of fun on day two. I really did enjoy
• 52:57
  the experience because like I enjoyed playing high level for it, I felt like
• 53:00
  I did play challenging games, so I enjoyed that aspect of playing in the
• 53:07
  Alliance. I did register my ARC on deck, so I didn't actually have
• 53:14
  to make an Alliance deck. So that was cool. You built a pre
• 53:19
  built Alliance. Yeah, it's like, I don't know why they spent so
• 53:22
  much time. Algorithms make these things for us, but like on Alliance day,
• 53:30
  I got the buy Well I no, no, I didn't. I
• 53:31
  actually played round one, so there were you said thirty nine. Yeah,
• 53:37
  because there was thirty nine, it had to cut to thirty two for the
• 53:42
  actual winner's bracket round one, which means there were seven games, so fourteen
• 53:46
  people out of the thirty nine played round one. I was one of the
• 53:51
  fourteen. I did play my first match and I won it. I won
• 53:55
  actually my first three matches, and because the starting was thirty two, if
• 54:00
  I had won, so you only needed to get to round four instead of
• 54:04
  the normal round five to actually make top cut. So I made it to
• 54:07
  the play in round in round four, if I had won that game,
• 54:14
  I would have actually made it two top eight for Alliance with my ark on
• 54:17
  deck. But Brad he came out and crushed me, had triple battle fleet
• 54:22
  and Epsi key oblectution. That was just so done. There's absolutely nothing I
• 54:25
  could have done to stop that. That so that actually shoved me down to
• 54:30
  the loser's bracket, exactly like day one where I waited for four hours before
• 54:37
  my next match, which was against Jason who had absolutely crush me. Now,
• 54:44
  going into that day, I had no intention of eliminating someone for Alliance
• 54:50
  because I was never going to play in Alliance because I was already in top
• 54:54
  eight for ARCon. So after and I actually be Brad, I don't know,
• 55:00
  actually know what I would have done, because I wouldn't I didn't dectically
• 55:02
  eliminate him, but I guess I would have won that game and made it.
• 55:07
  So that was kind of awkward. I was never expected to be in
• 55:08
  that round, But between me losing to Brad and my four hour weights,
• 55:15
  I went and talked to the judges and said, like, no matter what,
• 55:19
  my attention was, to concede because I didn't want to eliminate someone that
• 55:22
  was still live in an event that I couldn't play in, but I didn't
• 55:25
  want to play the game to see if I could win. I got absolutely
• 55:30
  crush that game. So it ended up not mattering like I I don't.
• 55:34
  I think I actually did forge the first key in the game, and then
• 55:36
  I did generate a single amber after that. So that was my experience,
• 55:43
  and like that's what I'm saying as far as like it there, if teams
• 55:47
  wanted to be manipulative about like placement and stuff, they could do it using
• 55:53
  like methods like that, like signing people up that don't want to play or
• 55:58
  whatever. Like I don't know, like I did it just to play the
• 56:00
  games. But I was very clear with the judges of what my expectations were.
• 56:06
  Hence I announced what I was going to do prior to even knowing what
• 56:08
  the parents possibly could be, because at that point we had no idea who
• 56:13
  was even going to make top at the top twelve playing round because that was
• 56:16
  the top twelve round. So but they were very very open to what I
• 56:22
  was saying. I just think that it was another missed opportunity to have people
• 56:29
  playing key forage, and I hope for all of our international listeners. I
• 56:31
  hope that when you schedule your nationals that you put them on two different weekends.
• 56:37
  We want people to be able to play, we want to have access
• 56:40
  to Worlds. To be honest, I want ahead and signed up for three
• 56:45
  events at gen Con. I signed up for our Coon Alliance and then the
• 56:49
  token Shenanigans on Sunday. Now, I was very very very happy to make
• 56:52
  top eight for our Coon, but it actually kept me from playing in the
• 56:57
  other two events. So I came to gen Con and I played in one
• 57:00
  event and that was it for the whole four days. So I just I
• 57:07
  want to put that out there that if you're running a national, set it
• 57:10
  up on two different weekends or two different separate periods so that people who make
• 57:15
  top eight have a chance to be able to play and have another opportunity to
• 57:20
  be able to get into Worlds. Yeah. I would have liked to.
• 57:24
  I mean I wasn't there, but this like things running in line with each
• 57:30
  other, like if you're going to run two events, like stop splitting your
• 57:36
  player base. I guess is my first kind of like point of contention because
• 57:40
  it's always like, well, you either have to play this or you have
• 57:43
  to play that, because the top eights are always running in conjunction with each
• 57:47
  other. And I mean, I guess for an event that you're only doing
• 57:52
  Friday Saturdays, even then you could probably still get that done Friday Saturday Sunday.
• 57:55
  Now could you get two full events stunzy Friday Saturday. Yeah, we
• 58:01
  didn't come last time in twenty nineteen. They say, even if you cut
• 58:07
  a day out because obviously, like let's say, because for most of balls,
• 58:09
  you're not going to have a Thursday. They did it in Philly.
• 58:14
  In Philly we started again. That was Friday Saturday Sunday. Yeah, it
• 58:21
  has to be Swiss without splitting the player base. Yes, I'm saying,
• 58:25
  yes, let me finished. They did it in Philly, but you have
• 58:30
  to run like a non stupid event structure, so maybe they can't. So
• 58:35
  if we go to a Swiss event structure, could they Yes, Yes,
• 58:39
  you start Friday playoffs Saturday morning. Next event starts Saturday playoffs Sunday morning.
• 58:45
  You're done exactly like they did in packs, exactly like we did it a
• 58:49
  lot. Yeah, so I mean, quit splitting your player base. I
• 58:53
  don't know why this is a thing they're like destined to do. But I
• 58:59
  mean you could you definitely, I think Alliance will be a lot more well
• 59:01
  received if it wasn't so like it's gonna be an either or you gotta pick
• 59:07
  one and everyone. Most people are gonna pick KeyForge the original way they learned
• 59:12
  it so, or they could just take it our conduct to you as well,
• 59:17
  could do that, sure, but like, I don't think it's much
• 59:22
  more people involved with Alliance right, like because because of the either or selection,
• 59:29
  I think most people are choosing Alliance over or I'm sorry, you're choosing
• 59:32
  an ark On over Alliance. I didn't actually have that problem. I actually
• 59:37
  am fine with the ark On Alliance being run concurrently and would go the other
• 59:42
  way against you, wokie. Like, I just think there should actually be
• 59:45
  a sealed event at the same time too, Like if if we want this
• 59:50
  idea of key Forge for everyone, just just lean into it further, because
• 59:55
  like there's people on like like I have a I'm on big team that we
• 1:00:00
  have three players that would pretty much only every play sealed. We have four
• 1:00:05
  or five players that would only play Alliance, and the rest of us would
• 1:00:07
  only play ARCon Like it's fine as long as everyone's play because like the overhead
• 1:00:15
  judging wise, the way they judge is into that much higher. So let
• 1:00:21
  us all have our three events and you will actually get a much higher total
• 1:00:24
  count for the whole field, because if we had Sealed, Alliance and Arkon,
• 1:00:30
  we would probably see one fifty to two hundred per ball because then there
• 1:00:35
  was actually something for everyone, assuming you get rid of double in the nation
• 1:00:39
  because a lot of the sealed players are not going to put up with that
• 1:00:42
  bullshit. But what Ki's point is, just like why limit it? Why
• 1:00:46
  have it as an either or when you can have multiple people buying into multiple
• 1:00:51
  events same person, you know what I mean, Like what you can't on
• 1:01:00
  I'm concurrently within being double elimination. They both take too long, right,
• 1:01:04
  that's I think we've already all figured that out. So maybe they changed the
• 1:01:07
  format, but right, if we want two hundred players, we need to
• 1:01:14
  just have Sealed as one of the three core events. And I don't think
• 1:01:16
  anybody ever had a problem when it was like and I mean, it's it's
• 1:01:20
  fine. So you do either you do our kind and Alliance or you do
• 1:01:22
  Sealed and along. Now, because if you look at the attendance our kind
• 1:01:28
  events were still lower than sealed, Like, just have all three three people
• 1:01:32
  pick what they want to play when they doesn't increase your overhead as a judging
• 1:01:37
  stuff that much by running one more concurrently when you're already running two concurrently,
• 1:01:43
  the leap is actually going from one to two. But if you're already doing
• 1:01:46
  it for two, it is not that much harder to do a third one.
• 1:01:51
  But what but what I'm saying is this allows so if if you had
• 1:01:54
  one hundred and twenty people at Philly, right, this allows all one twenty
• 1:02:00
  to participate and both events. But but you're you're missing the fact that I
• 1:02:07
  understand one and twenty people don't want to participate in both events. That's what
• 1:02:13
  we're saying. You like, it doesn't matter if they're both there. Most
• 1:02:16
  of the players there don't want to play Alliance. Okay, I mean I
• 1:02:22
  don't know players don't want to play Alliance, but I know I don't want
• 1:02:29
  to play Alliance. I will be given a deck and play it if I
• 1:02:31
  have nothing else to do, given the opportunity. Most players don't, let
• 1:02:37
  me put it this way, right this week or last weekend, you guys
• 1:02:39
  both played Alliance right cheap Ze Sheep, not because I was forced to an
• 1:02:46
  ABR and I didn't like it. Okay, yeah, yeah, but the
• 1:02:51
  point is right, I got a sub Southerly. It was. It was.
• 1:02:55
  It was an option for you guys to play Alliance, and Ze you
• 1:02:59
  chose to do it because you had the ability to. Although you're you've dropped
• 1:03:04
  out. Well you're talking about the ad R Alliance though, right, No,
• 1:03:08
  no, Jen Pan oh I no, she I was the only one
• 1:03:13
  that played. I took an our conduct to play in it. Okay,
• 1:03:16
  here's what I'm saying, and maybe maybe I'm not saying appropriate properly for you
• 1:03:21
  guys. So if if we can in a three day span run two events
• 1:03:25
  not congruently separate events where everybody that is there is able to participate, would
• 1:03:32
  you choose Let's say it's Sealed and then the second event is Alliance. Is
• 1:03:37
  it like, oh, I'm playing Sealed and going home or is it all
• 1:03:39
  I'm playing Sealed. Oh I have the opportunity to play Alliance, I'll play
• 1:03:43
  it. If there were two events one after another, Sealed and Alliance Sealed
• 1:03:50
  might get me to go Alliance. I would only play if I was given
• 1:03:53
  a dack, and the truth is is that would be first. Yeah,
• 1:04:00
  okay, let's just waste time, Like that's why would I do that.
• 1:04:03
  We're already there, That's all I'm saying. Like, if you if you
• 1:04:08
  put those two as the only things at the event, it would be the
• 1:04:11
  first one on my list of that's the one I would choose not to go
• 1:04:15
  to this year. So what's interesting is our AC Live show of chats.
• 1:04:21
  You know, there's multiple individuals I would love to play those Sealed in our
• 1:04:25
  con if I could so. Coming from Unfathomable, my gamer who again came
• 1:04:30
  second, Awesome Jack Corey, just bring back Sealed. We thrive with Sealed
• 1:04:35
  as well. This game really does well with it, and I think that
• 1:04:40
  is something that has to be looked at it. I hear the thought process
• 1:04:43
  that was talked about. In my opinion, adding Sealed in right now,
• 1:04:47
  as Z and Dan are talking about, isn't going to add that much overhead.
• 1:04:51
  But frankly, I agree with Bookie that I'd prefer to see separate events
• 1:04:56
  so that you could play in two or three if you chose. Well,
• 1:05:00
  I just think I don't think either of them is going to be happening,
• 1:05:01
  though my thing for the other time can happen still because it doesn't actually affect
• 1:05:06
  op itself. Like that Friday night, that Saturday night, that's Sunday,
• 1:05:12
  if you're not in the top cut, like that needs to be filled with
• 1:05:15
  other side events. Yes, all the other fun stuff, that's what I'm
• 1:05:20
  saying, should fill that slot so that that could be part of your experience
• 1:05:25
  like we had before, like really really bad needs to be filled in that
• 1:05:29
  slot we had. We had. We had all kinds of fun stuff back
• 1:05:31
  in the day. Like I know a lot of people don't like reversal,
• 1:05:34
  but for the people that were out there the like reversal, we had reversal
• 1:05:38
  events. We had a short adapt event. There's a team event every like
• 1:05:44
  we got. We pushed that so hard as a community. Every vault had
• 1:05:47
  that event on Sunday. The finals did their thing, and everyone else enjoyed
• 1:05:53
  the team event. Like there's things to do in this game that are engaging
• 1:06:00
  to the community. That's what needs to be happening Friday, That's what needs
• 1:06:02
  to be happening Saturday around, starting at two or three, when you have
• 1:06:08
  enough people not some like unmanaged, unrewarded second Amber crap that they just throw
• 1:06:15
  together and forget about, Like, what is that? Did anyone play a
• 1:06:18
  single second Amber game? At gen Con? I played a second Amber game
• 1:06:23
  on Alliance Day. I didn't even know they weren't happening. How you weren't
• 1:06:30
  in part of Alliance? How did you play a second Number game? Because
• 1:06:32
  exactly like it would anybody just so second Amber games would get played, and
• 1:06:39
  the second check an around, and somebody wanted a practice game, and that
• 1:06:45
  said, we can make a second Amber and I said whatever, I mean,
• 1:06:47
  like, I'm just here prepping you for your next game. This is
• 1:06:51
  fine, I know, and we get to claim the second Amber, but
• 1:06:55
  yes, it is totally Second Number is bipossibly the most frustrating thing ever.
• 1:07:02
  On paper, it sounds pretty good, but then when you actually run it,
• 1:07:05
  it is the dumbest event ever, like just conceived. Like I just
• 1:07:12
  don't see people wanting to continue to play the same decks after they just lost
• 1:07:15
  them, Like weaken with this. I don't want to go do something else.
• 1:07:18
  It's so unorganized. It's literally find a friend and play. I do
• 1:07:24
  that at my local. I don't want to be at a large scale tournament
• 1:07:29
  to find a friend and you get my point, find somebody who is also
• 1:07:32
  a loser to play. I don't want to do that. I can do
• 1:07:36
  that at my locals. I can suck there. I'm fine with that.
• 1:07:41
  But like just spirit both. I mean the KFC I was when I was
• 1:07:47
  out, I was like, oh, how does second number work? And
• 1:07:48
  they're like, just find someone? I'm like, just just find what is
• 1:07:51
  this? What is this the Pokemon League from nineteen ninety seven that I'm playing?
• 1:07:56
  And just find someone and play? Do I get badges at the end.
• 1:07:59
  There there's there's no rhyme, reason or purpose to second number. Like
• 1:08:03
  and this whole like ticket thing, it's you're not even rewarded for doing well,
• 1:08:09
  Like if you play you get a ticket for a raffle that you might
• 1:08:12
  win something and you might not. Like there's no purpose, there's no purpose
• 1:08:16
  to it. And the biggest, my biggest frustration with the Vault Tours.
• 1:08:20
  I still haven't gone to one this year, but like for my money,
• 1:08:24
  there's no reason for me to go. I'm not placing in a top eight
• 1:08:28
  right now in Alliance or in ARCon unless somebody's borrowing me a deck. So
• 1:08:33
  basically I just I can do the same thing. If I light my money
• 1:08:38
  on fire like i'm, the end result is the same. I'm having fun
• 1:08:42
  either way. That's why it's always been on my hopeless And as much as
• 1:08:45
  I like, I mean, I want to see you, I want to
• 1:08:48
  hang out with you, we've been too, but but I think it's spending
• 1:08:54
  a thousand dollars. Yeah, I agree, and that's why I'm I'm agreeing
• 1:08:58
  with you at this point. Like every time I say this before we go
• 1:09:01
  to evolves like I hope X y Z will be better. And as much
• 1:09:05
  as I hate double elimination, my wish for my hope has nothing to do
• 1:09:11
  with that. It's always the I want the Friday event to be something that's
• 1:09:15
  amazing. I want Second Amber and whatever those hell's happening halfway point of the
• 1:09:20
  main of it day to be engaging in fun. I want whatever it's happening
• 1:09:25
  Sunday to be something because like that is what makes the experience for the majority
• 1:09:30
  of the people, because the rest of them it's just this like double elimination.
• 1:09:35
  Hell, if you don't make top eight, that's all they got,
• 1:09:39
  that's all they remember. I want to be very concrete on this though.
• 1:09:44
  What we need is someone to take the reins like I did with our Kana
• 1:09:47
  and say, here's what is happening here. Registered No, but I'm telling
• 1:09:53
  you that's what needs to happen for Second Amber. It's just it's very impromptu.
• 1:09:58
  Number two, there has to be a board. When you were talking
• 1:10:01
  about Unchained and Dan, you and Z had no idea where people work.
• 1:10:05
  We need to see Second Amber, here's who's leading. Here is what the
• 1:10:10
  prizes are, and it's got to be more than a deck. I'm going
• 1:10:13
  to be very very honest playing Unchained for one deck like you got to make
• 1:10:16
  it worth people's time and put it out there. Here's where you are,
• 1:10:20
  and guess what have some random I'm gonna pull a ticket if that's what we're
• 1:10:25
  doing, and these people each get a deck, because then maybe it's something
• 1:10:29
  random that you get, and even playing one or two, I'm not in
• 1:10:32
  contention for the top prize. I'm still happy to continue to play, but
• 1:10:36
  it can't just be. It has to be some substantial amount. Here's six
• 1:10:42
  decks, here's a box. We can do this, but we need to
• 1:10:45
  make it public. We need to make sure people can see it's that has
• 1:10:50
  to be there. I don't just says just from our chat, what about
• 1:10:55
  playing for an invite to world I don't think like those of that should be
• 1:11:00
  invite to worlds. But just think if you had a monitor, right,
• 1:11:03
  and it doesn't necessarily maybe it doesn't even need to be a big monitor,
• 1:11:06
  but just a monitor where you can just go up and just check out other
• 1:11:11
  like, oh, he's got ten games, I gotta play two games,
• 1:11:15
  you know, or or you know, to surpass Z on a leaderboard.
• 1:11:18
  Okay, it's it's going to and if there is a prize attached at the
• 1:11:23
  end, I'm gonna be very motivated to beat Z on that leaderboard, especially
• 1:11:30
  especially if you have all this downtime right where you could be playing unchained battles
• 1:11:35
  or whatever sort of battles that they're like now pimping. Like if you have
• 1:11:41
  all that time, you have all the time in the world to like and
• 1:11:45
  that leaderboard could shuffle every day, you know what I mean, get something
• 1:11:49
  cool at the end. Do you guys remember from pass Fall Tour where you'd
• 1:11:54
  be able to play an FG employee with you know, cards that might be
• 1:11:58
  coming up from the future or something of that, or play correct or even
• 1:12:01
  go ahead and play against a personality from the community, like a you beat
• 1:12:06
  them, they don't. They only recognize two personalities from the community. I'm
• 1:12:11
  telling you put up one of those two personalities. But here they were giving
• 1:12:15
  away DT decks for for demoing do the same thing. You end up winning
• 1:12:18
  great, here you go end up losing. Here's a ticket to a drawing
• 1:12:24
  for another ticket later. But give things out. I don't know. I
• 1:12:29
  just make it worth time and tell people about it ahead of time. If
• 1:12:31
  we don't, if we don't tell anyone what's actually happening at Minnesota, we're
• 1:12:36
  not attracting anyone. It's it's paying out for the top two to be able
• 1:12:41
  to go to world top four in each of those monetarily. I don't know
• 1:12:45
  about you, guys, and maybe this is a statement that kind of may
• 1:12:49
  bother others, but I would rather see some of that money instead of it
• 1:12:54
  falling just in the top four, spread out to everyone, because that's the
• 1:12:57
  way we need to grow our community. Right now, I think that they
• 1:13:02
  for doing for doing well, there doesn't need to be a reward. However,
• 1:13:06
  here's what I'm gonna say on this one, like totally and completely,
• 1:13:10
  they need to figure out the deck situation here sooner rather than later. KFC
• 1:13:16
  Philly and now gen Con have all big Z has placed high and all of
• 1:13:25
  them. That's not saying there's nothing about Z's play skill. He's a very
• 1:13:29
  skilled player. However, that deck has seen it's fair share of mileage.
• 1:13:35
  Something needs to happen with decks that continuously are placing higher up, whether that's
• 1:13:41
  retired. Okay, right now, I disas you just named are about to
• 1:13:47
  be retired due to the field. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not,
• 1:13:54
  I'm right. Okay, Well, well time will tell, okay only,
• 1:13:59
  and that's the only thing that will tell. However, we're seeing a lot
• 1:14:03
  of the same decks in the field. Now, there are some decks that
• 1:14:06
  have lapsed, right, Ghasoline didn't do so hot this week? Right?
• 1:14:11
  Or this passed up? Put that down to a little bit of George,
• 1:14:15
  you know, has been playing a lot of Magic. He's not been super
• 1:14:17
  focused on Forge and he is not ready for the Woe meta. I think
• 1:14:23
  sure now, and yeah, that is a important decisions deck, correct,
• 1:14:30
  you know, but like some of these decks are going to surpass well,
• 1:14:33
  like they're still going to be good once Woe is more established is how many
• 1:14:41
  I think that I did. I did beat Second Act and practice here to
• 1:14:46
  one with fraud. But the first game he absolutely annihilated me. So in
• 1:14:51
  had I met him and that's the first game. There's just no answer.
• 1:14:57
  No, I mean it has potimes. So for that draw, I saw
• 1:15:00
  it, watch me. I mean whom I'm with z. I think in
• 1:15:05
  six months time there are it's seventy percent woe field probably if not higher.
• 1:15:15
  I mean, in six months time, you're going to this, this will
• 1:15:20
  be the meta. I am not guessing it's going to be. WHOA then
• 1:15:26
  the absolute best Worlds Clyde deck. You've ever seen, the absolute best code
• 1:15:30
  of deck. You've ever seen, the best AOA, the best in them
• 1:15:34
  and that has hurts you to say feel no, I don't, I'm gonnat
• 1:15:45
  because you know somebody has to go oh two or beat Draft Corp and go
• 1:15:47
  one two. I mean, I think it will literally gets appear in six
• 1:15:51
  months because Whoa, it's gonna be so damn good. The apologist can't even
• 1:15:59
  like like like come to themselves to not run below because it is fun to
• 1:16:02
  play. It's really good, and there's some actually relatively mediocre decks that are
• 1:16:08
  going to just go out and stomp old guard great decks. I've seen it
• 1:16:12
  happen. You did not. You did not say it. That vault Master
• 1:16:16
  set that everyone was losing their mind over and our international community irrelevant set.
• 1:16:21
  It's not even better than the other old sets to get there asking by woe.
• 1:16:26
  We're also going to get curb stopped by woe at a faster rate because
• 1:16:30
  there's not enough decks. It didn't make top it didn't make top eight at
• 1:16:34
  nationals. How many decks did you see that we're vault Masters cheap what's ulsters?
• 1:16:43
  Yeah, none of us did so. Again, we had said,
• 1:16:46
  this is not that big of a deal. It is a nice trinket to
• 1:16:49
  be able to walk home with. I like that it's something unique for attending
• 1:16:53
  the vote, but there are there are other trinkets it could have given away
• 1:16:56
  that didn't rile up the community. I'm just saying like they're big deal in
• 1:17:00
  people's heads because they can't have it. But remember people's people's perception is people's
• 1:17:09
  reality. In six months, none of us will go to another one of
• 1:17:14
  these Vault tours either, because it's still gonna be double elimination, not a
• 1:17:17
  court well, Drafts, Drafts put a little thing in our chat and he
• 1:17:21
  study he uh, what do you say? He lit up CTP. Several
• 1:17:28
  people did, and I heard rumors six to eight weeks they expect to have
• 1:17:31
  a solution. Yes, it's called that is after this Vault Tour season,
• 1:17:38
  because that's sixty eight weeks. Then we'll think about something. They don't want
• 1:17:42
  to say twenty twenty four, but sixty eight weeks essentially says the next Vault
• 1:17:45
  Tour season. Cinally, how long would it take you to program Swiss?
• 1:17:49
  Well, okay, see the issue is right, if they built this as
• 1:17:54
  a scalable code base with play style then different formats for running a tournament,
• 1:18:00
  it should just be like plugging and plugging play like different you know, different
• 1:18:05
  module code, it should take less than a day. But if they did
• 1:18:10
  not build this tool and develop in a scalable way, who knows, who
• 1:18:15
  knows how long it will take. Okay, so let's say that it wasn't
• 1:18:17
  built in a scene. Were given a fork of our previous software, right
• 1:18:28
  like that came with when they bought key for it. They got a copy
• 1:18:33
  of the code that all the old tournament software. They got a copy of
• 1:18:36
  Gem. They could just turn GEM back on. Is there a reason that
• 1:18:41
  we don't have it for our stores? Are we gonna need it for local
• 1:18:44
  play? That's what? What's local play? Yeah, there's no one.
• 1:18:49
  That's a whole can of words we don't have time to uncover right now.
• 1:18:54
  GG doesn't know stores play this game. Yeah, well, weird story.
• 1:18:58
  Neither do stores fun facts. Well that's because stores aren't going to because this
• 1:19:05
  yeh on the internet, right both. So we made it through our con
• 1:19:11
  Alliance day. I was the only one on the cast that played us.
• 1:19:15
  Our buddy Sydney did make top cuts. Jay Power may top cuts. However,
• 1:19:19
  we did do some streaming from what we could do. It's not the
• 1:19:25
  greatest of all time. But you know, and I apologize, I had
• 1:19:30
  games out they got games out there, right, which we are not streamers
• 1:19:35
  anywhere in the seas we are. We are streamers. I am. I'm
• 1:19:42
  not I'm not the tech person and I should not have been. I'm very
• 1:19:45
  competent streaming. But again I was not contacted, so well, you weren't
• 1:19:49
  there, and it was very last minutes, so so it was this was
• 1:19:56
  literally done in the matter of twenty minutes. I had to get you walk
• 1:20:00
  into the acutube account and that's and then it was set up and they went
• 1:20:05
  and I'll be honest, it was it was very much Colby pushing saying this
• 1:20:10
  is what we need for the game. Why are you not doing it?
• 1:20:12
  And I'm like, because I don't have enough space like here, And he
• 1:20:15
  took it and streamed his two Alliance games or Alliance or two and it's on
• 1:20:19
  his channel. It's like if nothing else from US Nationals, there will be
• 1:20:23
  something, so that there's the record and I'm like, oh man, that
• 1:20:27
  that really hurts Colby and a lot of what Colby said in that little interview.
• 1:20:32
  And it's free on patreons, so even if you're not a Patreon,
• 1:20:34
  you can go listen to it. I agree with them one hundred and ten
• 1:20:38
  percent. Like none of us do this podcast to like have followers, have
• 1:20:43
  subscribers, have people notice of have people recognize us. The only reason for
• 1:20:46
  this podcast is to number attempt to grow the game. Hold hold the powers
• 1:20:54
  that be a little bit accountable. I don't know if we do a good
• 1:20:57
  job at that. We do a lot of complaining, but I don't know
• 1:20:59
  if it does much. And you know, have a presence out there,
• 1:21:04
  Like it is so important to have a presence. This is why I push
• 1:21:08
  like every person that does any sort of content, go go watch it,
• 1:21:13
  go follow it, go like it, share it on your social Media's like
• 1:21:16
  every little bit that that is out there helps. Like to this day still
• 1:21:23
  the number one key Forage video is a is a video from the professor about
• 1:21:28
  key Forge that's from four years ago. The only people who are going to
• 1:21:35
  turn us around in the community, so and so it's it's it's up to
• 1:21:40
  it up to all of us too. I mean I do, I like
• 1:21:43
  it. I don't share as much as I should. But that being said,
• 1:21:48
  let's go into our con Top eight Zee, how'd you do? I
• 1:21:55
  paired up round one against Ben the Monkey, who had a deck that was
• 1:22:00
  actually really really tough for me. In all rights, he beat me this
• 1:22:05
  game, but officially I won the game. So third to the last round
• 1:22:12
  of the game. He has some amount of amber. I have two cards
• 1:22:17
  in my draw deck. I have two keys. I think I had like
• 1:22:23
  no amber at the time, and I the only way I can get him
• 1:22:29
  off is due to EP and it's in my discard pile. But I have
• 1:22:39
  some draw pips and I have left the logical so like I started my turn,
• 1:22:44
  I played Eclectic, got rid of the top of my two guards of
• 1:22:46
  my deck. I played I think sloppy lab arc which I draw to flip
• 1:22:53
  my deck to draw a card, discards a card archived guard. Thing goodness,
• 1:22:57
  it wasn't the cause of auto coulder. It wasn't EP. And then
• 1:23:00
  I played letho logica. I'm flipping one at a time, you know,
• 1:23:04
  because you get you get to see it. And I told him, like,
• 1:23:08
  I just need EP. It's my only shot to stay alive this round.
• 1:23:11
  And I didn't draw infomorph with the draw PIP, so I play info
• 1:23:17
  morph with the draw PIP. And then I drew the card face up and
• 1:23:19
  it was EP, so I played EP. I was able to do some
• 1:23:24
  stuff that turned to clear most of the board. He then goes to him
• 1:23:29
  to turn lays a bunch of warriors while I did that crazy turn to stay
• 1:23:32
  alive. I asked how much time was on the clock, and the judge
• 1:23:38
  goes a minute and a half. I was like, okay, Ben plays
• 1:23:42
  a bunch of warriors or something like he does. He does them sucking Brobnar
• 1:23:45
  crushes some member or makes a bunch of warriors. He does. He did
• 1:23:47
  that pretty much every turn of the game. Blow. Then it goes back
• 1:23:55
  to me. I know, I have like almost no time. I know
• 1:23:58
  letho logical. Plus my last tarn actually had gotten through a lot of my
• 1:24:00
  deck because my archive was huge, so I just called my whole hand was
• 1:24:05
  untamed. I called untamed, discarded five cards, archived five cards past turn,
• 1:24:13
  drew five shut out of chain. And then he goes to go back
• 1:24:16
  into broad nark because I've like no board, and he gains a whole bunch
• 1:24:19
  of amber again, yeah, passes back to me. Well, time has
• 1:24:27
  called on his turn and passes back to me. So it's like this is
• 1:24:31
  the new Ford step stuff. So like I can't just get more amber than
• 1:24:34
  him, because it didn't he would afford a key. I actually have to
• 1:24:39
  take him off key and have more amber than him. So this time left.
• 1:24:45
  The logic is in my discard, so is ep there's one card left
• 1:24:48
  of my draw pile because I'd gone through my deck that fast again because of
• 1:24:51
  the leather of the last turn. So I have my hand. I clugged
• 1:24:58
  my archive, which it was massive, and what I do I think I
• 1:25:02
  had to discard a card to archive the final card that my draw pile,
• 1:25:08
  and then looking in my hand, I just played through all the crap I
• 1:25:13
  had one draw pip left and Logos I play redacted because it has a draw
• 1:25:17
  PIP. And then I was like, I just handed Ben the discard pile.
• 1:25:20
  I could go ahead shuffle it, you know, the only card that
• 1:25:24
  can save me here. So he piles, shuffles it like one at a
• 1:25:28
  time, makes the stacks, and then like passes it back to me.
• 1:25:31
  It's like, so is this it? It's like I don't know. I
• 1:25:33
  flipped it face up. It was EP, so I played EP. He
• 1:25:38
  goes down to four and then I was able to play some cards. My
• 1:25:45
  demobot Paus was trying to kill it. I ended my turn with four and
• 1:25:48
  he had three. I won the game because I top decked into my shuffle
• 1:25:53
  EP two turns in the last three turns of the game. I was like
• 1:26:00
  super done. After that game. I gave him a hug. We're like
• 1:26:03
  that was crazy. I asked the judges if I go get get get a
• 1:26:06
  drink. I came back. I was still a little bit like my nerves
• 1:26:12
  were just done and definitely Corey on another Woe deck, this one I think
• 1:26:17
  had Grunt as the token. I actually think I matched up a lot better
• 1:26:23
  versus Corey's deck than the Warrior deck I based on Ben. But he like
• 1:26:27
  turned one came out fathom or either fathom or token token. The next turn
• 1:26:31
  it was like Dragnette Sherman, the same kind of thing. I was like.
• 1:26:35
  Oh, so I ended up fighting a little bit back to get a
• 1:26:40
  somewhat of a good position. There was one turn I was able to mark
• 1:26:45
  and actually swing a key pretty handily. There There's a ton of ambro on
• 1:26:48
  his dudes that turn. If I had Gateway that turn, I think I
• 1:26:51
  had actually had a chance to pull that one out. At the very end
• 1:26:56
  of that turn, I discarded a dark Minion to archive a card. That
• 1:27:02
  card was Gateway that I ended up archiving, So it was literally one card
• 1:27:06
  away from pulling what probably would have been to win that game. It still
• 1:27:13
  was really close, but I think that would have been enough to swing it
• 1:27:15
  entirely back to my side. But the top the his start was just way
• 1:27:21
  way too dominance. So I go out top four again for the second big
• 1:27:27
  event in a row. Is becoming increasingly more difficult to get to Worlds.
• 1:27:33
  So I'm not sure if I will make world but I'm going to keep trying.
• 1:27:39
  I had last though, Corey was a great competitor, so has been
• 1:27:43
  been probably deserved to be in that match more than me because he actually kind
• 1:27:47
  of kicked my ass, Like that was one of the worst losses I had,
• 1:27:51
  even though I technically won that game. We will, well, we'll
• 1:27:57
  put as much money as we can into the the cruise ship so you can
• 1:28:01
  go part to part to get that. Yeah, we can have a I
• 1:28:05
  mean, Mexico is not that far from me. I can host the Nationals
• 1:28:09
  in Mexico. No one else is invited. No, all right, she
• 1:28:23
  mine was I got to play Corey. Uh so this was a lot of
• 1:28:29
  fun. You're telling me, is Corey is ruining AC dreams? Is that
• 1:28:32
  what I'm well? So coming into day two, right, there was a
• 1:28:36
  lot of talk. They said they fixed the program so you shouldn't end up
• 1:28:41
  having to play the same player twice, right, so like i'd law or
• 1:28:48
  I'd beat Ben on you know, last round, and then he made his
• 1:28:56
  play in so they said I should not be paired against been in top eight
• 1:29:00
  in first round because I'd already played him in day one. And then also,
• 1:29:05
  you know four OS or XO should all be playing people who came in
• 1:29:11
  from the losers bracket. So I get there and we're just talking. You
• 1:29:15
  know, we kind of knew what decks were coming out of losers bracket.
• 1:29:18
  I should have either been playing z Nova or ewalk because the other loser,
• 1:29:25
  the other person coming out of losers bracket was Ben, who had already played,
• 1:29:28
  so I should have been playing a team stas member. And then they
• 1:29:31
  put decks down and I'm facing Corey and Corey and I are like, we
• 1:29:36
  shouldn't be playing each other right now. So we wave over a judge and
• 1:29:41
  we go, Judge, we're both undefeated, we shouldn't be playing each other,
• 1:29:45
  and he just goes, well, that's what we were given, so
• 1:29:47
  that's what's going on. And we go, well, we'll send some negative
• 1:29:50
  feedback afterwards, right, because what are you going to really do? Yeah,
• 1:29:56
  we know their parenting software works. However their parenting software is and there's
• 1:29:59
  no changing it. So I played my hand paired for day two. So
• 1:30:06
  why it was hand paired? They asked, Well, whatever, Jeremy actually
• 1:30:12
  asked me. I know, let me finish the story. So all right,
• 1:30:16
  we play. I played Corey. It is a long, grindy game
• 1:30:20
  with fraud. I could not get the c cards like the way the game
• 1:30:26
  played out, I had a five one shadows hand to start or six one
• 1:30:30
  shadows hand or something like that. Like I had a huge Shadows hand to
• 1:30:33
  start and one other card that was key Abduction, and I said, well,
• 1:30:41
  between battle fleets and moverse times, I'll get this key Abduction back around
• 1:30:45
  on cycle. So I just played my key Abduction and then I play all
• 1:30:48
  my Shadows cards and then I draw a couple of Mars cards and some Shadows
• 1:30:56
  cards, so I play more Shadows and then I have to play a bad
• 1:30:59
  Marster and I drew more shadows and all I could do was drush shadows this
• 1:31:02
  game. And then I get my reverse time, and now my deck is
• 1:31:05
  full of nothing but shadows. And you don't want that back when you haven't
• 1:31:09
  seen your battle fleets, right, You're like, nope, So you've having
• 1:31:12
  a discard reverse time because you're going through and the battle fleets ended up being
• 1:31:15
  at the bottom of deck. Corey made a pretty big mistake and let me
• 1:31:18
  take like thirteen to Amber on an ig play, but his deck can tact
• 1:31:25
  so hard, and I could not get any of my important creature control.
• 1:31:30
  And even going into the last my last turn of the game was battle fleet
• 1:31:36
  battle fleet on a deck flip. I'm drawing four cards on a fresh shuffle.
• 1:31:41
  So if I hit my first battle fleet, my key abduction or my
• 1:31:45
  key abduction, I just win the game right there. Probably, I guess
• 1:31:49
  there's no guarantee if I hit the battle fleet, but it would have been
• 1:31:53
  brutal because then I also get to sample collection his tech creatures, because he's
• 1:31:58
  got a Mars creature that makes he's got mixed you know, so the Mars
• 1:32:01
  creature that says keys are plus one for each other Mars and he's playing a
• 1:32:04
  board of grunts. That stops me if I don't have key abduction. Key
• 1:32:11
  abduction just ignores that though, because then all goes back in his hand.
• 1:32:15
  But that was missing or barbment like. I couldn't get any of my seat
• 1:32:18
  until the last turn of the game, and then I had enough hamber to
• 1:32:23
  forge my last but he had enough, and I just I couldn't stop him
• 1:32:29
  on the next turn with shadows. But it's just I couldn't get it.
• 1:32:30
  I lost to him. Afterwards, I go talk to Jeremy. I'm you
• 1:32:35
  know, I'm just giving him some grief. I'm like, I had to
• 1:32:38
  play him and I don't know why. And Jeremy's like, no, you
• 1:32:41
  played the right person. Corey lost and I'm like, no, no,
• 1:32:44
  Corey did not lose, and he's like, yeah, Corey lost. I'm
• 1:32:46
  like no, and I tell him the four people who lost, and you
• 1:32:49
  could just kind of see it in his face that he went, oh,
• 1:32:54
  something's wrong. And yes, they manually entered the results wrong. They put
• 1:32:58
  Ben in his on TOD and Corey is it defeated and we were paired wrong.
• 1:33:06
  I mean, assuming the game results are as the game results were.
• 1:33:12
  If I had to play Corey second round and he had to play in first
• 1:33:15
  round, technically things don't change outside I get the top four and Z doesn't
• 1:33:21
  unless Ben knocks out Corey right, which who knows what happens there? But
• 1:33:29
  that that was fun. So once again they're pairing. I feel like I
• 1:33:33
  think I think they got it out for me. Specifically, they said,
• 1:33:35
  how can how can we make today sad for Dan? Let's do back YEP,
• 1:33:40
  that's how it works. Yep, the top eight yet again on top
• 1:33:45
  Yeah, get to top eight. Like I'm defeated going into Top eight.
• 1:33:49
  Go home. Many many people would kill to make top eight. So now
• 1:33:54
  we have someone that's joining us. J Welcome to the club. I am
• 1:34:00
  very happy to say that it was a long, hard fought battle, but
• 1:34:04
  I made Top eight boys and girls. It was a really big accomplishment.
• 1:34:09
  And then it was a very very very short lived game. You can see
• 1:34:13
  that I streamed it, so I faced second acts or John and Smoke has
• 1:34:20
  Smoke has a lot of Sea boys and girls, and it also has quite
• 1:34:28
  a bit of speed with Kirby's and daughters, and I didn't see either of
• 1:34:31
  them. I mulligant because I did not have Sea, and I did not
• 1:34:38
  get it. And it went from real bad to really really bad because John
• 1:34:43
  dropped Legionary Trainer, he dropped a token creature, which reaped. He dropped
• 1:34:50
  Armed the Plebeians, which dropped another token creature warded, it reaped. He
• 1:34:56
  dropped a second armed the Plebeians, and he finished. I w to say
• 1:35:00
  with five or six starian creatures out, and I responded by quickly dropping my
• 1:35:04
  three on my three star alliance. I know that I had you Genesis Researcher
• 1:35:12
  Garcia, and I think it was Crewman York. Garcia has a draw pip.
• 1:35:15
  I did not draw on anything that helped me had He responded by playing
• 1:35:20
  the one card that would make it even worse than that was Spartasar. So
• 1:35:24
  he went back to Sarian reep three three, fought with one and wipe my
• 1:35:29
  board, and I was pretty sure that he was going to go ahead and
• 1:35:33
  just stand in Sarian for the entire game. He did end up when I
• 1:35:40
  finally got rid of Spartas or I mean, I was down two keys and
• 1:35:43
  he was pushing for the third key. I fought back with some fun little
• 1:35:47
  plays. I did get a key. It felt more of a pity key,
• 1:35:51
  but it just was way too late, way way way too late.
• 1:35:58
  So very very quick game and scholar Scholar did some work. John played very
• 1:36:03
  very well too. I don't want to take anything away from him. Great
• 1:36:08
  player. Actually, the night before there was a joke because we were just
• 1:36:11
  sitting around playing some sealed with r LEI and John, and I ended up
• 1:36:15
  facing John and we're like, Everon's like you should go ahead and play your
• 1:36:17
  your your match now We're like, now we're just done. So we played
• 1:36:21
  Sealed. I opened up hot that game. I opened up my first anominally
• 1:36:30
  and that was pretty cool. The nominally was I'm trying to think lateral lateral
• 1:36:36
  shifts, so my first lateral shift and that that game went really well.
• 1:36:41
  But the next day when I needed it, it did not show up.
• 1:36:44
  So felt a little bad about the top eights because I didn't play as well
• 1:36:47
  as I didn't draw as well as I could. But that's key Forge two
• 1:36:50
  and it was great to I mean, that's something that's there. But I
• 1:36:56
  played very well to get the top eight, and I have to keep that
• 1:36:58
  in mine. So I'm out of that. Yep, been rocking it all
• 1:37:04
  right. I think that well, we can go into Alliance. Who ended
• 1:37:11
  up winning Alliance Jason not Jason, I know that much. Aviator from ABR
• 1:37:19
  took it down with a double Martian Generosity key Abduction the Heart of the Forest
• 1:37:25
  deck at a Boy and Jason had. Jason actually lost too, he had
• 1:37:31
  to play, had to have that play in round against Z So keep that
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  in mind as well. I didn't not. Yes, yes, Jason did
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  lose to that deck on day one and ended up meeting me, he had
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  to feedback up to me, so technically, at that moment I was higher
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  than it. Oh for just a moment. We're just a moment, and
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  then he crushed me. So yeah, he actually dropped two games to the
• 1:37:59
  winning deck because he lost in the in the in the double limb phase to
• 1:38:04
  Aviator, and then you lost in the finals to Aviator. The Aviator did
• 1:38:10
  lose to Jared once, right, yes, and then then beat him in
• 1:38:15
  top four. So that's all we got for you. Did hear that it
• 1:38:24
  had the heart of the forests? Right? I love every minute of it.
• 1:38:28
  It made my heart of the forest tingled. That doesn't sound right,
• 1:38:31
  but anyway, well, well the people who are playing against it, they
• 1:38:35
  tingled a little too, because they were just sitting with amber that they couldn't
• 1:38:40
  go ahead and forge keys, and it was a little depressing. So I
• 1:38:45
  kind of wish I would or running Aviator and with Mark on deck answer for
• 1:38:50
  that ship. Let's go doesn't work against five of them anyways. How can
• 1:39:00
  you go ahead and cycle back to that reclaimed ze pretty fast? All right?
• 1:39:04
  I think five I can cycle to a car. There are five of
• 1:39:11
  them, at least in my perfect world. Are five of them, then
• 1:39:15
  I will play five or club wow. Only time will tell. And also
• 1:39:20
  nobody wants to give up all the part of the forest decks for whatever.
• 1:39:26
  Thanks community, you are amazing because I don't want one person and that Sethiagma,
• 1:39:32
  Well I am thanking Sith, then thank you Sith, because that's the
• 1:39:36
  only it's the only Maverick part of the forest I see doing anything that's in
• 1:39:45
  shadows. So it is what it is. So yeah, unfortunately, not
• 1:39:54
  a lot of people are not a lot of how many we're total in Alliance
• 1:39:57
  thirty ninety eight. Yeah Z had said thirty sex I got thirty nine,
• 1:40:01
  so somewhere in the mid to upper thirties. So again, not not a
• 1:40:06
  ton going into the Alliance matchups. And that's a lot of people that vacated
• 1:40:13
  their ticket because we're pretty sure they sold like sixty tickets, so twenty one
• 1:40:17
  people just didn't show up. Well, four of the actually drafted the draft
• 1:40:23
  corp buy a ticket. I'm gonna guess y, Yeah he did. He
• 1:40:28
  think he think he had I think he had one, but it is one
• 1:40:31
  of the twenty one. And then there's well you played seven, then there's
• 1:40:35
  seven people that had one that won in Arkham, right, so that's still
• 1:40:41
  only eight of twenty one that just poofed. There's still thirteen unaccounted for people
• 1:40:45
  that decided like no, yeah, I mean I don't. I don't.
• 1:40:51
  I don't know how to fix or remedy that situation. I am with uh
• 1:40:58
  Colby. I think it is a very interest interesting format. It does make
• 1:41:00
  things more interesting, but I am also in the knowing camp of it's not
• 1:41:08
  easy to find good pods, nor does it allow people to really on it,
• 1:41:12
  like bad decks are still bad decks. I don't know, guys.
• 1:41:15
  I actually found it really easy. So like, if I don't manage to
• 1:41:20
  make it in a Minnesota, maybe I'll go play Alliance in the future.
• 1:41:24
  It sounds of much easier task than making top to an Archon because I'm only
• 1:41:30
  good enough to get to the top four. Yea, but at least it's
• 1:41:32
  a little better than But this is progress. Remember you used to not make
• 1:41:35
  it in a top eight, So I'm this progress. But I think that's
• 1:41:42
  going to do it for us this week. Next week we'll be doing hopefully
• 1:41:46
  we'll have information on like what all happened so we can see who what our
• 1:41:53
  predictions contests, and then we'll do predictions for Minnesota. I think we should
• 1:41:59
  open us up to the are the users that the listeners too. We could
• 1:42:02
  do a little for our patrons. We could do a little fun something remind
• 1:42:06
  me Monday or Tuesday. I can throw up a Google form thing for them.
• 1:42:10
  Yeah, and we can have we can have predictions and they can do
• 1:42:14
  predictions, and I don't know, we can figure out something for a prize.
• 1:42:18
  We're gonna do our first event in a long time, yep, we
• 1:42:21
  sure are. What is that going to be? She? What's that called?
• 1:42:25
  So we're gonna play some ass alliance on September ninth. So I have
• 1:42:30
  twenty four pre release kits. I'll be putting together a flyer and a Google
• 1:42:35
  form to sign up here shortly and put it up. But we're gonna shoot
• 1:42:39
  for September ninth. It'll be what four, probably at least four rounds of
• 1:42:45
  Swiss with what we're calling Anti Survival Alliance steal. And that's why we're beyond
• 1:43:02
  where my bedtime is now? So yes, so yes, it is.
• 1:43:06
  So each round, if you win, you have to survival style give up
• 1:43:12
  a pod that you were playing with. Yep. From your nine pods.
• 1:43:15
  So after by round four, which there will be at least four rounds,
• 1:43:20
  you'll be down the winning like the people on the top of the Swiss will
• 1:43:26
  be down three of their pods from their nine. Got it? Yeah,
• 1:43:30
  I look forward to losing in this event too. I have I will have
• 1:43:36
  prize details. It'll be forty bucks plus shipping for the kids. But yeah,
• 1:43:44
  we have that coming September nine. Wait, we have to give prizing.
• 1:43:47
  I have so much prizing. It's fine. I mean, we'll give
• 1:43:50
  lighting, does it? Yes, But this is why we shoul because we
• 1:43:57
  have prizes. Weird story. We'll probably be giving out the same prizes.
• 1:44:00
  Oh you know what, I will even put one of these sets of sleeves
• 1:44:04
  I want at gen Con, one of those sets of sleeves that will slice
• 1:44:10
  those super rare disc sleeves next level prizing. Are they socked better than the
• 1:44:15
  old sleeves? Are they still just as hard? Wait? Wait? Wait
• 1:44:18
  wait wait? Nova? Who took who was our national champion for our cond
• 1:44:24
  She did go ahead? It is I apologize? Is our national champion for
• 1:44:29
  the US. She did get a blue dack box? What were your box?
• 1:44:33
  Yeah? Stay on it. Second second, yeah, in twenty nineteen
• 1:44:41
  or twenty or something like. The problem with all this, I can guarantee
• 1:44:46
  our prizing will not include free DT decks. I can guarantee that too.
• 1:44:54
  I mean, this is this is why I'm looking into these sublimation printers,
• 1:44:58
  and I just wish they weren't so damn expensive. Did just give us a
• 1:45:01
  number? What does it take to biop my gamers over here in our chat
• 1:45:08
  saying gift top eight nationalist prizes, Like, I'm only half joking. I
• 1:45:13
  just want a number. You just want a number so we know. I
• 1:45:17
  mean, how many how many months of Patreon money we have to save on
• 1:45:21
  super persistent find a way to make things happen. We're just gonna be signing
• 1:45:29
  your checks over again. Is that what we're doing? Selling kidneys in Iran?
• 1:45:33
  That was a subject of conversation in our discord. Lots of rich people
• 1:45:38
  like, let's go, I mean, never mind so much to say,
• 1:45:46
  so a little time, We're gonna get out of here. Look out for
• 1:45:49
  that for the ass Alliance. No, that's the deal with it. No,
• 1:46:03
  your donations are accepted and we will change to a new name. This
• 1:46:08
  is horrible. Anti Survivors were not changing names. Ewok, I like it.
• 1:46:15
  I liked it so much I was considering switching. We were gonna get
• 1:46:19
  a mascot, and I was gonna be a donkey already. I went the
• 1:46:26
  donkey fashionize else is faking uneas to anybody. That's a dream to anybody,
• 1:46:36
  anyone, anybod