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8-25-26 Hour 2 - Deshaun Watson backpedals, Cleveland sports pain/SEC & Big 10 speak out/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Texture says, I find it interesting that in the 24
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  Speaker 2: and 25 season, the Kansas City Chiefs had 11 one-score games,
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  Speaker 2: and that was not the narrative going into last season
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  Speaker 2: last year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you listen to this show, you would have
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  Speaker 3: heard me talk about that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it often. Often, and that's a big
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  Speaker 2: reason why you believe that they were a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a fraud. How many times did I bring that up?
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  Speaker 2: A lot.
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  Speaker 3: How many times did I do it in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of that season?
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  Speaker 4: A lot.
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  Speaker 3: This is not..
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  Speaker 5: This is not real.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not that it's not real.
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  Speaker 3: I always use the word sustainable. It's not sustainable.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, there you go. Sustainable.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: They're a good team, but there is a ton of
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  Speaker 2: luck that goes into winning that much.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way..
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  Speaker 2: I did the same thing with the Broncos every Monday
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  Speaker 2: last year where I go, yeah, they won, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of they won buts. And now to the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos credit, much like the Chiefs the year prior, they
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  Speaker 2: just kept doing it up until the Broncos lost their quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: They just kept finding a way. So I was fully
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  Speaker 2: on the train of pointing out And this is why,
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  Speaker 2: you know, everybody says style points don't matter. Style points,
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  Speaker 2: I think, are more a reflection of what level of
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  Speaker 2: confidence do you have in your team? And if you
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  Speaker 2: are one of those, you know, for example, when the
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets won the title in 2023, I was sitting there
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  Speaker 2: the first week that the playoffs were starting, or I
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  Speaker 2: guess the week leading into it.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody's like, man, they might get the Lakers in
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  Speaker 3: the first round. I was like, good.
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  Speaker 5: They're better.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's how confident I was. I'm like, I watched
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  Speaker 2: this team all year. This is a championship caliber team
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  Speaker 2: that I think would kick the ever loving crap out
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  Speaker 2: of that team. And they did that to everybody throughout
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 7: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because they were good. And we all knew it.
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  Speaker 5: We saw it. I wasn't as scared.
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  Speaker 3: You were. You try and change the narrative on this.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody else over there was scared. No, because you..
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  Speaker 3: You backed up Vic and you kept saying, Brett, you
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  Speaker 3: just don't understand the history of this.
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  Speaker 7: I don't apologize for having that mindset going into that series.
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  Speaker 3: You shouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Because I've worn it. I've worn it for 50 years.
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  Speaker 4: You guys... I came in 30 naked. You didn't wear anything.
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  Speaker 2: No, I understand everything that you were feeling. I understood
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  Speaker 2: why you did. I told you, but this isn't the
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  Speaker 2: Lakers team from the mid two thousands with Kobe on it.
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  Speaker 2: That one has some serious flaws and the nuggets didn't,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have them.
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  Speaker 3: You like getting nailed by the King.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there are days where I wake up or
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  Speaker 7: I'm just staring at the ceiling. And I just remember
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  Speaker 7: moments during that championship run. And, You know, when you're
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  Speaker 7: in the middle of it, Moses, you've probably felt this too.
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  Speaker 7: You're in the middle of these championship.
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  Speaker 4: Runs, and you don't know what day it is. You
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  Speaker 4: don't know what's next. But you're like, I can't believe
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  Speaker 4: they just did that.
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  Speaker 7: I can't believe they just won that game. Like, I
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  Speaker 7: remember sitting there, game four against the Lakers. And if
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  Speaker 7: you remember that game, the Nuggets were down double digits
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  Speaker 7: at halftime.
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  Speaker 4: I think they were down 15. I'd have to go
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  Speaker 4: back and check.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They were down double digits, and LeBron James was on one.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was– I mean, his offensive output in
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  Speaker 4: the first half, he was carrying the Lakers.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm sitting there talking to– there was a group
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  Speaker 7: of Nuggets fans who made the trip to L.A. And
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  Speaker 7: I'm sitting there next to them, and I'm like, gosh,
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  Speaker 7: they're going to have to wrap this up in Denver.
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  Speaker 7: They're going to have to wrap it up there because
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  Speaker 7: there's no winning here tonight.
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  Speaker 4: And the Nuggets came back and won that game. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, how did they do that? How did they
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  Speaker 4: win that game?
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  Speaker 7: How do you get back to that team, that poise,
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  Speaker 7: that resilience? And it started on the defensive end. All
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  Speaker 7: of a sudden, LeBron got tired. But the Nuggets kept
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  Speaker 7: coming and coming and coming. And at the end of
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  Speaker 7: the game, it comes down to one play. LeBron dribbles
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  Speaker 7: to his left, tries to get off a shot. And
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  Speaker 7: Jamal's guarding him. And Jamal grabs the ball out of
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  Speaker 7: his hand.
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  Speaker 4: Game over. And even then, I'm like, I cannot believe
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  Speaker 4: they won that game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But that's– when you talk about confidence in a team,
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  Speaker 2: it's just– there's something about it.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you don't– But that's not.
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  Speaker 4: See, what I'm getting at, that's not a lack of confidence.
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  Speaker 4: It's just– it's just you're in the moment going, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is that team.
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  Speaker 7: This is that team that– the team that I was
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  Speaker 7: so used to seeing not win those kind of games, right?
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  Speaker 7: Because growing up watching them against the Lakers in the 80s,
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  Speaker 7: against the Lakers in 08, watching that team.
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  Speaker 4: Fall short, and all of a sudden, like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: this is not that team. This team's different.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the most impossible what-if thing.
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  Speaker 4: But were the.
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  Speaker 3: Broncos that last year?
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  Speaker 4: Until they lost their starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but with Knicks, were they that? Like, let's say
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  Speaker 3: Knicks doesn't get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: I think even Patriots fans would say the Broncos had
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good shot at winning that game.
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  Speaker 4: I think we can say confidently if Bo Nix is
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  Speaker 4: healthy for the AFC Championship, it's the Broncos and Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl. Now, I can't tell you how
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  Speaker 4: confident they win that game, but they're in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was saying.
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  Speaker 2: Like, if that were to happen, then what? Do the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos still pull off the miracle? And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: I'm calling it a miracle, I think, says something about that.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? The Seahawks were really good.
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  Speaker 5: So were the Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: But even with, you know what's funny?
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  Speaker 2: Even with the Seahawks, I kind of felt that way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a very good team. But I just
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  Speaker 2: was like, darn. I just kept looking at me like,
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  Speaker 2: but darn old.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Now, can I bring you guys something else?
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  Speaker 2: Because we talked about this when I was loud wrong
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  Speaker 2: and immediately wrong yesterday. When Deshaun Watson goes in, and
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  Speaker 2: I think we all know this, whether you have a relationship, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife,
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  Speaker 2: If you guys get into an argument and your significant
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  Speaker 2: other brings something up from two years ago, probably a
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  Speaker 2: bad sign because they've been holding on to some animosity
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  Speaker 2: for a while. And when Deshaun Watson yesterday was talking
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  Speaker 2: about being booed and he goes, oh yeah, wasn't just that.
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  Speaker 2: Remember when my knee blew or my Achilles blew up
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  Speaker 2: and they all cheered? He's been holding on to those
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  Speaker 2: emotions for a minute, okay? That ain't something that's easily
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  Speaker 2: mended as offense. but he gets named the starter. And
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you, I don't know if it's Monkin or
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Jimmy Haslam, but somebody said, you.
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  Speaker 3: Get out there and you say that you love the
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  Speaker 3: fans do it right now. And so he did this yesterday, you.
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  Speaker 8: Know, human nature, just myself being very emotional, putting a
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  Speaker 8: lot of time these last two years to, you know,
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  Speaker 8: get back and, you know, spend time in this facility
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  Speaker 8: in the city, uh, meeting a lot of different people
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  Speaker 8: in the community. Um, You know, I thought I was
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  Speaker 8: going to get, you know, a little different response. But,
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  Speaker 8: you know, I think, you know, my emotions got the
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  Speaker 8: best of me. And, you know, my comments wasn't intending
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  Speaker 8: to go at any of the fans around in the
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  Speaker 8: city because there's been a lot of great fans that
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  Speaker 8: have been supporting me.
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  Speaker 4: And I know the frustration.
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  Speaker 3: My intention wasn't for the fans in the city. It
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  Speaker 3: was the people in the building.
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  Speaker 5: That's who I hated. It was the people inside the building.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you turn that over to another 80,000 people
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  Speaker 2: who just walked in, I would also direct it towards them.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like, well, to me, it felt like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to give the frigging job to Shador, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 5: And these people don't like me and I don't like them. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm the starter? Oh, listen, you know, I got emotional.
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  Speaker 3: It's the heat of the moment. What do you want
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  Speaker 3: from me?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of funny.
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  Speaker 2: I just, I think it's so funny that a day
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  Speaker 2: after you rip your own fan base for being jerks, essentially,
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  Speaker 2: that's what you called them, right? They named me the starter, like,
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff I said yesterday was a lie. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what else to say to you other than
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't me. That was the old me, actually.
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  Speaker 5: Is what it was.
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  Speaker 2: You ever see, oh God, there was a great Saturday
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  Speaker 2: Night Live skit back in the day with William Shatner.
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  Speaker 5: Okay? And he's at a Star Trek convention on the show, right?
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  Speaker 5: And he goes up. He goes up. I've been doing
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  Speaker 5: this a long time. I just got to say to people,
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  Speaker 5: don't you have lives?
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  Speaker 4: Nerds.
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  Speaker 5: Look at you.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever even kissed a girl? And he's just blessed.
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  Speaker 2: And they've got Spock ears and all this kind of
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  Speaker 2: crap that the crowd does. And he's just blasting them.
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  Speaker 2: Go do something with your lives.
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  Speaker 6: Go outside. Don't you chase girls?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So then he goes off stage. And they're like..
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  Speaker 2: He comes back to the point, he's like, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to let you know that I was playing Captain
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  Speaker 2: Kirk from episode 73, Evil Kirk.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's Deshaun yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I was just playing Evil Kirk, man. You guys
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  Speaker 2: are great.
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  Speaker 5: Love you. It felt like the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Just to me, it's.
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  Speaker 2: So weird. It's so weird. And I know that, Vic,
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  Speaker 2: you kept harping on yesterday. There's the money that's tied
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  Speaker 2: to him and all this different stuff. There's a point
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  Speaker 2: of no return, but is there a point of no
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  Speaker 2: return if the guy has to stay?
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  Speaker 3: How do I put this? The financial hindrance of letting
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  Speaker 3: Watson go, if he was worth.
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  Speaker 2: 50 million in dead cap as opposed to 125, he's gone.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the weird thing about this is that you're
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  Speaker 2: doing this solely for the money.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only thing that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy Haslam's looking at it and just being like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: already ponying up the dough.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to try and make this work.
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  Speaker 7: And it's all money related. It's all financially related. That's
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  Speaker 7: why I'm not surprised by any of this. You're trying
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  Speaker 7: to make something out of the investment you've made.
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  Speaker 4: And if you can't, you can't. But at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, you're going to try.
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  Speaker 2: But, but, do you know who didn't do that? Do
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  Speaker 2: you know who realized this guy ain't good enough? It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much money we owe him.
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  Speaker 5: The Broncos. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And they were in the playoffs the following year.
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  Speaker 2: Because they conducted business like a sports franchise instead of
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's got X amount of dollars tied into something.
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  Speaker 2: You play the guy who's better. And if I ask you,
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  Speaker 2: here's what's funny. This isn't me saying Shador was overwhelmingly.
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  Speaker 3: Better than Deshaun Watson. I don't even know if he
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  Speaker 3: was better, period. But it was close.
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  Speaker 2: It was close for a guy that your fan base
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  Speaker 2: hates that obviously doesn't want to be there.
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  Speaker 5: That ain't going to work. I did see a tweet
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  Speaker 5: the other day, Vic.
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  Speaker 2: It was showing Baker Mayfield playing for the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: And he's running the football and he's getting blown up
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  Speaker 2: out of bounds and he's fighting for yards and he's
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  Speaker 2: doing this and doing that. And they're like, They got
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  Speaker 2: rid of this guy for case key, and they went
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  Speaker 2: down the list of all the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: Look at the list of quarterbacks in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 5: Since Baker was there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Browns have a long, it's been 35 years of
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  Speaker 2: just plowing through quarterback after quarterback, but just since Baker left,
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  Speaker 2: all the guys that have been there.
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  Speaker 3: Can I blow your mind?
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Vic, would you like your mind blown?
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  Speaker 4: All right, let me, hold on. Should I wear a helmet?
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, put your helmet on. I don't want to hurt you.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. Your Roman helmet. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: It has been 2,059 days. To be exact, it was
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  Speaker 2: January 3rd of 2021. So 2,060 days. Since Deshaun Watson's
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  Speaker 2: last 300-yard passing game. As a bonus, Tom Brady's had
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  Speaker 2: 14 since then. He hasn't played in three years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Helmets.
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  Speaker 5: Did you need the helmet for that one, Vic?
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  Speaker 4: No, that stat was convoluted.
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady, who's been retired for the last three seasons,
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  Speaker 2: has had 14 300-yard passing games since Deshaun Watson's last
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  Speaker 2: 300-yard passing game.
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  Speaker 4: I feel bad for Cleveland Browns fans. I really do.
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  Speaker 4: It goes back to the 80s when they would march.
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  Speaker 7: Into Denver and, of course, the drive in Cleveland, and
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  Speaker 7: they were owned by the Broncos, basically owned.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't get by the Broncos.
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  Speaker 7: And every year that poor franchise tries to bubble up
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  Speaker 7: some hope.
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  Speaker 5: And they can't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they got their team taken from them. They
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  Speaker 4: basically walked out. There's so many things that happen to
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  Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns fan base. I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 7: I honestly feel sorry for you. I feel terrible for Cleveland.
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  Speaker 7: You deserve better. There are better fans in Cleveland. There
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  Speaker 7: are really good football fans in Cleveland that are stuck
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  Speaker 7: with that.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine being stuck with that.
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  Speaker 7: The only thing worse, I think, in pro sports, the
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  Speaker 7: only lot in life worse, is being a Minnesota fan
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  Speaker 7: in any sport, because they suck at everything.
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  Speaker 5: They pretty much do.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, well, when I say so, they can't win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: When's the last time Minnesota won a championship in anything?
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  Speaker 2: The Twins in 1992, maybe? Are we going on the
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  Speaker 2: Nelly scale? Was Nelly born?
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  Speaker 5: No, he was not.
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  Speaker 4: 92?
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  Speaker 6: No, not quite.
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  Speaker 4: Close. Okay, so on the Nelly scale..
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  Speaker 7: Steve Nelson has never seen a professional team from Minnesota
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  Speaker 7: win anything.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the PWHL team, the women's hockey team did. Coached
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  Speaker 2: by Ken Cleave. But, you know, talk about major professional sport.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Vic. Since Baker Mayfield, you ready? Starting quarterbacks for
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  Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: Case Keenum, Nick Mullins, Jacoby Brissett, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco twice,
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  Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson-Robinson, PJ Walker, Jeff Driscoll.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, the Jazzmen.
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  Speaker 2: How many former Broncos are on this list? Jazz Sacks,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Driscoll, my man. Yeah, Jameis Winston, Bailey Fazee.
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  Speaker 6: Zappy.
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  Speaker 5: Bailey Zappy.
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders. So that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
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  Speaker 2: 12 quarterbacks have started for the Cleveland Browns since they
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  Speaker 2: audiosed Baker Mayfield, which is, I'm thinking to myself, okay,
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  Speaker 2: Mayfield sort of reinvented himself though, hasn't he?
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever been to Cleveland?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: There are some passionate fans there.
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  Speaker 5: There are.
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  Speaker 4: Good fans.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Good fans.
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  Speaker 7: Can you imagine being left with that franchise and that
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  Speaker 7: And they can't figure it out?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver me
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  Speaker 5: from pick sixes.
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  Speaker 4: The Detroit guy, you can relate.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I can.
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  Speaker 7: And I always go back to this. We had a
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  Speaker 7: 10-year period in Denver, most recently. The worst 10-year of
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  Speaker 7: my generation. I wasn't here when Frank Philchock took over
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  Speaker 7: as the coach of the early Broncos. I wasn't here
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  Speaker 7: in the 60s and 70s when the team sucked.
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  Speaker 4: I was here, but I wasn't aware. So the worst
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  Speaker 4: generation of the Broncos in my era came over that
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  Speaker 4: transfer of ownership, that 10-year period, the quarterback rotation.
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  Speaker 5: It was ugly.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: It was, like, never-ending.
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: And yet it was less than a decade. We're talking
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: about franchises that have been doing that hamster wheel for
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: 50 years.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 16:02
  Speaker 8: 30 years.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I've always said this.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: When it comes to your NFL teams.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There is one other fan base that I will
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: hear the trials and tribulations on, and that is the Browns.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Browns fan wants to complain to me.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I go, go ahead. You've had a rough life.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: When a Broncos fan was like, we've just been so
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: bad for so long.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Shut your mouth so long.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite things of all time, Vic, when
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you've got a soft spot in your heart for Cleveland.
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a soft spot because when you vanquish a
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: foe like the Broncos have done so many times over
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: the years, they've taken Cleveland's heart and without any morphine,
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: without anything, they've reached into their chest and removed their
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: heart so many times that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: I feel for them.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Okay. Well, they always have something to fall back on, right, Stephen?
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Fun times in Cleveland today.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Cleveland.
• 17:06
  Speaker 10: Come on down to Cleveland Town, everyone. Come and look
• 17:10
  Speaker 10: at both of our buildings. Buy some food that's prepared
• 17:13
  Speaker 10: near the street. Who knows you might even see this guy.
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: You should come on down to West 6th Street. It's
• 17:21
  Speaker 10: the perfect place if you're a d * * * bag.
• 17:24
  Speaker 10: Watch the poor people all wait for buses.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Who the f * * * still uses a payphone?
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: Here's the place where there used to be industry. This
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: train is carrying jobs out of Cleveland. Cleveland leads the
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: nation in drifters. Here's a statue of Moses Cleveland. He's
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: the guy who invented Cleveland.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah!
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Some dudes in Cleveland, they call it the hastily made
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Cleveland tourism video.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: That hit about how many years ago, Nelly? 10 years?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many years.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Like 2009 or something. That's classic YouTube.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: We need to make songs that sound like that again,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Those are fun.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what would you call that era, that style?
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Like poorly made YouTube bangers? I don't know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: No, like that style of music, it's almost like a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: 90s sitcom-y sort of thing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: Have you guys ever seen the Utah Jazz video that
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: I've kept forever because it sort of fits that style?
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: Like the early jazz. The Nuggets used to have a song.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Here it is.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: Check this one out, and I'll play it for you.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: What?
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: God, that sucks. God, that sucks.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, not only was he not unbeat, he stumbled through
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: his words. Just re-record it, first of all. Second of all,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: you know what a great hype song is?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we've been bad. But that's okay.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: We're the Utah Jazz. We're trying to be good and stuff.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: We'll try again. It's like, what?
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: It's just so bad.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Hey, man. Has Utah... And I feel bad for our
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: neighbors to the west of us.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Have they..
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Excuse my lack of history here. They've never won a
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: championship before.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Utah. Give me two.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: They got close with Stockton Malone.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they never won one. In a major championship.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Did Real Salt Lake win anything in MLS?
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. They got a pretty damn good
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: college football team, I'll tell you that much.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: But they've never won a championship.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: How they're doing it in.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake, but that football team has been good.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: They've been really good, man.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake won the MLS Cup in 2009.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Nobody cares.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, so they do have a championship. So of all
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the Western states..
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: The University of Utah Red Rocks has won 10 natties.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Of all the Western states, I've.
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: Had this argument with friends of mine when I worked
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: in Phoenix. And when I say Western states, I'm not
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: going to include California because California is too populous. There's
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: too much.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: You're competing against too much. But all the other Western states, Washington, Oregon, Utah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: New Mexico, Arizona, Idaho. We are the best at sports
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: in Denver. We are the best.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: By a mile.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: We are the best. And it's not close.
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: Nope.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: We are the best at sports. We have the best
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: sports towns. Ripe with sports teams. We have the most
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: championship across all sports. We are the best sports state
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: in the West. Outside of California. Because there's too many
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: people there. And that's not debatable.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And just so you guys know, I can't believe you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: guys would ever forget this. The Utah Utes won the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament in 1944. Show some respect. 44? 44.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Right in.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: The middle of World War II.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Let's go see. What did they do in World War II?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: There were like four teams that actually had enough players
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to play.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: How did they even.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Have players?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Everybody was in the service.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Bone spurs.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, I got it now. Okay, you can play basketball,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: but you can't carry an M1 Garand?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Is that it?
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: A Garand don't fit your hands?
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And in Utah, I'm.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: Sorry to disparage Utah this morning, for years, The state
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: of Utah and its college athletic teams had the biggest
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: advantage in all sports.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: How ironic.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: They would throw guys out there that were 30 years old,
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: 28 years old, dudes who were already full beards when
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: they're freshmen in college.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: All this. They had that going for them for years,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and it got them nothing.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Vic, read aloud this shirt.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: How ironic.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Hang on.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: We're way over on break, but I got to tell
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you this. I just looked up the 1944 NCAA tournament.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: There were eight teams in it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: There's eight.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Utah was a last minute replacement in the field after
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: an automobile accident tragically impacted the Arkansas team.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Jeez Louise, that's too bad. Vic, read my shirt that
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I'm wearing today. How ironic.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: They played in both the NCAA tournament and the NIT.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Crazy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Brett, I mean, Mark, I can read. You've held it
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: there for two minutes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: You don't read it. Give me two.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You and your graphic tees. I'm going to burn them.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: For those who can't see it, it says Johnny Utah's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Surf Shop. Got a chance to qualify for the KC
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: in Denver game week one.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Stick around. All right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned up until the 40-minute mark, somewhere in between here,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and we'll get you that keyword and get you a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: chance to get qualified for the Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I texted my buddy, diehard Browns fan, because I just
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to see what's going on here.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I just texted him.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: What's your overall feeling on the Browns right now?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Absolute bleep show. Unforgivable. A ton of talent on both sides,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: young talent on both sides of the ball. Hope will
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: kill a man.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Because that's what you have to do every year if
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you're part of that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: You're like, we have some young talent, so maybe, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I will die. Absolute bleep show, unforgivable.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: That's pretty accurate.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's Ryan, by the way.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: He's a Browns fan.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Big time, big time, big time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Maybe if he cut his hair, the Browns would be good.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Hope you're listening, Ryan.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Big cold day in hell.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: You're right. But what I'm.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Getting at is it's funny about fan bases for teams
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: that perennially suck, right?
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Like Detroit fans are pretty lovable, okay? Browns fans seem miserable.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I lived in Chicago. The Cubbies were pretty, pretty good.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You had Mark Grace and you had, you know, Ryan Sandberg. And,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you know, you had some good players.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Sure. Sammy wasn't there yet. Or was he? No, he
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't there yet. But Cubs fans, you know, they're lovable
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Cubs fans. We're no good. We never win.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: They finally did.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: And then you get like Red Sox fans who never won.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: They never won forever. And they're miserable. There's miserable slots
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: of human beings.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Just a last thing on this. Vic, you missed it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I texted my buddy. He's a diehard Browns fan. I
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: just said what's your overall feeling on the Browns? Absolute
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: bleep show unforgivable is what he said back to me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Because that's how they live their life.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: And now I have nothing.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you might have something with this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It's time for another Rock Paper Tickets keyword.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Shades.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Just rocking some shades.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: One of my people I had here in the group,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: they left their sunglasses here, so I'm just, I'm wearing
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: them for them real quick.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Shades.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Text it in now to 303-504-0925.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: That's the keyword, shades.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Text that in your first and last name to 303-504-0925.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Qualifier with five minutes left before the top of the hour.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And this is your chance to get in that Rock, Paper,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Scissors tournament next Tuesday at Rooftop Social in Rhino. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the winner gets a trip to KC with Flight's Hotel
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: tickets the whole nine yards.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Shades like this, like shades? Or shades like covering a window?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They're spelled the same. So whatever you want it to be. Hey,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the SEC did a very brave thing yesterday. I don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: know if you guys saw it. They said, I would
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like to make a statement. I don't think players who
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: participate in training camp should play college football.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And they did that against, I mean, look, you talk about.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: A counter opinion to the norm, Moshe. I mean, they
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: were incredibly brave to send this statement out on something
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that 99.9% of people agree with them with. See, what
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten did is they took a step farther.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: They said, you are banned from playing in our league. Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten says, hey, look, if you've signed a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: contract with a pro team, you are not coming back.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: If you appeared on an NFL roster or you signed
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a contract with a professional football team, you cannot come
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to the Big Ten.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: And listen, I don't agree with it either.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: SEC tried to relay the same message, but they did
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: so without concluding it. They said, hey, everybody, we don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: want this to happen, but if there's a judge that
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: allows it, okay.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: But we don't like it. Did you see the SEC
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: statement yesterday?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: The SEC statement was nothing but a word salad of
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: them trying to secure their lot. Like, hey, we don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: agree with this, but if you go get yourself a
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: backdoor judge to help you get in, we're not going
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: to say goodbye.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Where was the judge from, Brett? Vic, where was the judge?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Was the judge in Louisiana?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I'm from upstate New York. But I do have a
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: house out in New Hampshire.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: I can read for you what the SEC wrote. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: what the SEC wrote, they sent off this big message.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Here's what we're going to do.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: This is unacceptable.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: But they never specified we're not going to allow them
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: to play. The Big Ten took it a step further
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: and said, we're not going to allow you to play.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: The end.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe the SEC is like, we will not. I got
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to tell you. steal this story from Moshe.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I cannot envision a scenario in which I would ever
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: allow somebody from an NFL training camp to come back
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and play.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: But Diego Pavia, if... Just hypothetically, you know what I mean? Like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: It's... Just do it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: If the SEC and the Big Ten ban them from
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: coming back, then they're pretty much banned from coming back.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think Pavia's reached out to... Do you think
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: he's reached out to Vandy to say... To make millions
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: more dollars? And if it's not Vandy, is there anybody
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in the SEC that he could go to? Or Diego Pavi?
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: Sure.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Not even the SEC. I mean, hell, go to the
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Sac State Hornets. They're in the MAC now. They'll come
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: up with some scratch for you.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: The guy was a Heisman candidate last year.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I know, and so he's not going to be a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: pro quarterback.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: That's readily apparent.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: The Big 12 is also, according to Ross Dellinger, considering
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: a league-wide policy banning pro players returning to the conference,
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: meaning that all four power leagues are set to consider
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: such a rule.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: What are we considering?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Just do it already.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: The Big 10 just said it's not allowed.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Nobody else has said it's not allowed. The ACC has
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: not said it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: The SEC. Notre Dame has said it. Notre Dame has
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: said it from getting. You can't do that. Well, they're independent.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: They can do their own thing anyway.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: But they've already said you're not doing that here.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: It's just the SEC is the only one that said, well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: we really don't think this is right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: But.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, so is Lane Kiffin really
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: doing anything? I mean, you can say it's, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: it's not cool, but he's within the rules. And this
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: kid played for Ole Miss.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Are you asking me if Lane Kiffin is cheating?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yes.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Hang on a second.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, he's cheated.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Just a couple stories real quick with college football starting
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: this week. This is from Brett McMurphy. Walker Jones, an
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: executive director of Grove Collective, said Ole Miss had the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: FBI sweep their buildings for bugs after Lane Kiffin left
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: for LSU. Walker was looking under his desk when someone
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: asked what he was doing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: He goes, just trust me, you don't know the guy
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: like I did.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: They brought in The Federal Bureau of Investigations to see
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: if Lane Kiffin bugged Ole Miss before leaving for LSU. Now,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: let me put that side by side with something else.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Is that crazier than this? Throw it up behind me, Nelly.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to guess, what am I looking
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: at here? What are we all looking at?
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: It looks like a war room of some sort.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: That is..
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: The Oregon Duck coaching staff, somebody counted, there's 58 people
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: in that room.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Do you remember the story we had a couple years ago?
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: No, that's the coaching staff?
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: That is the Oregon Ducks coaching staff.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: That's not a surprise. Now, do you remember the story
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: we had a couple years ago?
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: Clemson and Georgia, their staff of, quote, analysts, so they can't,
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: officially call them coaches so they hire these guys as.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Analysts so that that means they they can't have conversations
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: with the players or something.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: But they're on the staff to help support the coaches
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: as analysts and they had the largest analyst staff in
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: college football times two.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I want i just please somebody explain to me what
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: are 58 people doing in that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Room recruiting.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: You know, I guarantee every single coach there. I mean, football,
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: Mike Sanford is probably the better person to ask about this.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: And Mike, if you're listening, perhaps you can chime in.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: College football for coaches, I wonder how much of it
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: is actual coaching anymore and how much of it is
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: chasing kids around.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, some of that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Every single guy that you see on that screen there
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: is assigned to a region or a group of people
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: to go recruit. Every single guy.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I just can't imagine.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: If I was Dan Lanning, I wouldn't know all of
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: my coaches and people in that room.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't know their names.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: But you need that to keep pace with today's. It
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: is what it is, man. You have to recruit your
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: own players, Brett. Brett. College football has become recruiting your
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: own players. Think about that for a second.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Too much. That just seems insane to.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Me, man.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: What if we had a.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Pre-show meeting and we all met out in this little
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: common area out here.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And there were 57 people? 57 other people.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I know it's a big responsibility what they have with
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: the college football team. And like Vic said, you need
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: everybody to keep tabs on people or whatever. Yeah, but
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: three assistant quality control coaches and all this kind of crap,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Speaking of the common room, Vic, Rhett,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I walked in this morning and piled up in the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: corner over here.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: What goes on when we're not here?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's like 15. Oh, they had a
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: little concert thing yesterday.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: Do you know the band Camino? They were in here
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: doing a private concert for some Mix 100 fans. So
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: they had a ton of pizza in here.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: It was awesome.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: There's like 15 pizza boxes stacked up.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: And like, what are they doing in here?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: It's like the Kevin McAllister household.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Yeah, Nelly, I've heard of Camino.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Who the hell are they?
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: That's actually their full name is The Band Camino. The
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: Band is part of the name.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I thought you just said you've heard of them.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of them. No, I've never heard of them.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: It'd be a lot cooler if they were the band
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: El Camino. That'd be a lot cooler.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: 303-504-0925.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Adam Schefter is going to join us at 920 this morning,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: but join us at Rooftop Social next Tuesday night for
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the most epic rock-paper-scissors tournament ever. The winner getting a
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: trip to KC for the Denver-Kansas City Monday night opener.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Even if you don't qualify for the tournament through text,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: we'll be picking at least four people.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Who just show up as at-large bids.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So we'll see you at Rooftop Social in Rhino next
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Tuesday at 6 o'clock, Rooftop Social, an elevated sports bar
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in Rhino back after this. Oh, by the way, stories
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: around sports in the world we feel like you should
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: be aware of. So look, I don't know what's going
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: on here in professional sports, but everybody is selling their franchises.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And that includes the San Diego Padres, who just introduced
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: their new owners. It is Jose Feliciano and Kwanza Jones.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Would you like to hear Kwanzaa Jones' introductory press conference?
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: We're going to win.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: We're going to win and win it all.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: That's just a portion of it?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: That is the new ownership group in San Diego?
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: We're going to win.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to win and win it all.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Love the enthusiasm? Wait, Jose, hold on a second. Her
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: husband is Jose Feliciano?
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no relation to the Feliz Navidad guy, I believe.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I was going to say that guy's like 80.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: So they are Feliciano's a co-founder and managing partner of
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Clear Lake Capital, a prominent private equity firm. And Kwanzaa
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Jones is an American artist, singer, investor, entrepreneur, and philanthropist.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: They're a power couple. They're married.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: So he's a private equity guy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Imagine that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, what a shocker, Vic. Private equity.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: It's everything in sports now.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Ban private equity.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Ban it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Ban it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I did a little more reading about, you know, why
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: it's profitable right now to be in the sports industry
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and why so many teams are changing hands and people
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: are buying these sports teams. And a lot of it
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: is basically because of, again, I'm going to use.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: Words and sayings that I have no idea what the
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: hell these mean, and I'm sure that Brett Cain doesn't,
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: but you're able to amortize certain things in sports.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: What did you say? Amortize.
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: What?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Moj, explain to him what that is.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Well, you said it so confidently, Vic.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: You're able to amortize certain things when you buy a
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: pro sports team over years. If you have a 15-year
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: ownership stake in something, it's easier to amortize.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: It's easier to use it as a tax shelter.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: It's something that's Pretty commonplace now. And that's what's happening
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: in pro sports.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not an idiot. I know exactly what amortized means.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It means to gradually pay off a debt over time
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: through regular payments or spread the cost of an intangible
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: asset over its useful life for accounting purposes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: But it's easier to do with a pro sports franchise
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: than anything else.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: What if I did that like Will Ferrell in old
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: school when he was doing the debate and I just
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: locked in?
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I passed out. What happened?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. I got to tell you.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: All these rich folks selling their franchises has me a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: little worried. What's coming here? What do they know that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I don't? Are they building bunkers somewhere?
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: No, Joe Pompliano had a great article on that yesterday about, like,
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: what is the endgame here? What is going on? Why
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: are so many changing hands? Is there a sports bubble
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: coming up? Is there something we don't see? The only
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: three things that can happen to cause a bubble to
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: burst is, A, the media rights fees could go away. Like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: maybe you've reached a ceiling. Maybe television rights fees aren't
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: going to go where they've gone. And he doesn't see
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: that happening because television sports still remains the number one
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: source of entertainment in this country.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: It just is.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: It's where we go watch. It's where the eyeballs go.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: He doesn't think it's that. Number two, could it be
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: the fans just say, okay, enough. We're not going to
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: the games anymore.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: That's not it because there's sellouts everywhere. There's sellouts everywhere.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: People are still going to games. So what is it?
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know. What could spell the end?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I went to a Padres game last month.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Packed.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I'm dead serious. That town loves their team.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Everywhere I walked downtown, they were on the road, not
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: even playing a home game the first couple days I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: was there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody was in a Padres jersey.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: They loved their football team, too, and they took off
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: to L.A.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: So ask yourself this. I mean, as much as we
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: complain on this show, and that's what we do a
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: lot of, oh, I can't believe what college football has become. Oh,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I can't believe how much these guys get paid. Oh,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I can't believe this. And yet we still watch loyally, religiously.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: We talk about it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: So what is the end game? What would, we heard
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: this in the NFL. Oh, I'm not watching an NFL
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: game because so-and-so happened.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Oh, I don't follow
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: the NBA anymore. Yeah, you do. The NBA ratings are
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: just fine.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you do.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: So what would force you to turn the TV off
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: and not watch anymore?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: What?
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I literally, I don't know what it would take. I
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: said this to Nelly yesterday.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: If Nikola Jokic lit a box of kittens on fire
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: at center court before every single Nuggets game, I'd probably
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: still be like, go Jokic.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, the PGA Tour is doing something different, Vic,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: starting in 2028. The championship series finale is a 72-hole
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: stroke play tournament. Finalize the points, determine the season-long champion.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Followed by the top golfers competing in match play over
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: two weeks after And a reimagined tour championship. They're going
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to finish up the whole damn thing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: With match play.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I love it too.
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: I think match play man there isn't anything more it's
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: just it's savage because it's mano a mano it's you
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: versus the other guy you know you're not grinding over
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: stroke play it's you win a hole they win a
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: hole I love the way they listen to the fans.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Finally, the PGA Tour, listen to the fans. That's why
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: I like Olympic golf. It's so stupid, Moshe. In Olympic golf,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: you know what they do, Brett? They do stroke play.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: How stupid is that?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Dumb.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: It's just dumb.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Why is the Ryder Cup so damn popular?
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Match play.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Because it's match play, baby. It's match play. Anything can
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: happen in match play. You don't have to be the
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: best player to win in a match.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: You don't.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: When's the last time you guys got a traffic ticket?
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: It's been quite a while.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, knock on wood. What are you trying to do
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: to us here?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Years and years and years and years and years.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Alex Ovechkin has been in Russia for four months this summer.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: He has accumulated 33 traffic violations, totaling 82,000 rubles. According
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to Mash Sport, all the violations were recorded for his
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Auris Arsenal minivan. worth approximately 50 million rubles with the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: symbolic license plate 008. The entire amount was due to speeding,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: driving on a toll road without payment, unpaid parking fees,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and stopping or parking in unauthorized areas. Ovechkin paid all
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the fines except for one, which amounted to 4,500 rubles.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, man, it's a pretty cool-looking little minivan.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Hang on, what is 50 million rubles in American dollars?
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, You know the kind,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: It's about $ 600, 000.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: 600, 000 for a minivan.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Wow. The guys who just do that without any, I mean,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: they're not worried. No worry in the world. Whatever. You
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: got to give me a parking ticket, give me one.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, I think he probably knows
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: the guy that can get him out of that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: You know who that is? Like, the one that makes
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: me laugh the most. So is speeding, okay, fine. Driving
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: on a toll road without payment, okay.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Unpaid parking fees, which is tied to stopping or parking
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in unauthorized areas.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Here's what Ovechkin does. It's Putin, and then it's me
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: in this entire country. I park where I please.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no rules for me, right?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: He goes wherever he wants, he parks wherever he wants,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't care about the repercussions. 33 traffic fines
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in four months?
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. Don't you hate... You know that's one of
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the reasons why I drive the Vespa, right?
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: So you can park anywhere you want?
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: By the way, the other day, the Vespa, I found it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: It fell, and somebody blamed the wind. And I believe
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: somebody pushed my Vespa to the ground.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Aha.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: What are you going to go Sons of Anarchy on?
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: I needed a camera. But that's the solution. If you
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: have trouble finding parking, take a Vespa.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Park it all around.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: 30 years after his last high school football game, a
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: guy named Justin Buzzard was a pastor, 47-year-old pastor, decided
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it was time to get back on the field as
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a college football player.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: This is from CBS Evening News.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: At 47, he's going to join the San Jose City
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: College Jaguars at 47 years old.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Playing what position?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: So he's going to be a defensive end.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: He's going to be so sore.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you something right now.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Every day, just soreness.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: We are already trying to ban players who are played
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: in NFL training camps to come back to college. 47-year-old.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Ban old people.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're out.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ban old people.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I don't need your novelty story because that's all this is.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: It's a novelty story.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: How old was Scott Bakula in Necessary Roughness?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you. You know, these feel-good stories.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: Hey, 62-year-old goes back to college and lines up at
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: defensive lineman.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, wait until his dentures get knocked out.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I just, if I'm, when I was playing college baseball,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: if there was a 50-year-old on my team, I'd be like, dude,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: what are you doing?
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Get out.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: What's the point?
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Nelly said you had a good one.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: Go ahead.
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: Oh, by the way, have you ever heard a walk-off
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: home run called in Hindi?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Can't say I've had the pleasure.
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: So I did not know this was a thing, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: the MLB shared this on their official Twitter account the
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: other day. This was Cardinals at Phillies. It's all knotted
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: up in the bottom of the ninth, and then Kyle
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: Schwarber said, hey, let's get out of here.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: And every Philly fan is now waiting for Schwarbaum's home run.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: He has scored three home runs in extra innings as well, friends.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: This time it's Sampark.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Where has the ball gone?
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Far, very far. He has snatched the match.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies have won this explosive, sensational case.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: This is the magic of baseball.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber's Schwarbaum.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, he even said Schwarbaum.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Schwarbaum translates to Hindi. We learned that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: He even threw in a Schwarbaum. So wait a minute.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: What's the Indian baseball fan percentage that we're talking about here?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: How much of that exists out there? We don't.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Have other languages being broadcast for Nuggets and Avs games, right?
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: I think we do some Nuggets in Spanish, or did.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Do we, Vic?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Do you know?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: We don't have a Spanish broadcast of Nuggets games, do we?
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Yes, we do.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, we do?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: It was just employed last year. Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Who does that?
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: I can't remember the combination that they just hired them.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: A young lady does the play-by-play and does a really
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: good job. In fact, I want to listen to a game.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: And see if I can follow along and understand what
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: they're saying.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I had no idea that we did that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: It was introduced just last season. Just look it up. Nuggets,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Spanish language broadcast. You have a computer.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: It's a, it's a Jenna Garcia.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Jenna.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: She was a long time media member. And then she speaks. Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: You know, Jen.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: And I asked her, I said, cause she speaks obviously
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: impeccable Spanish.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: Like, if somebody asked me to do the game in Italian,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: there's no way I could do it. I couldn't do
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: it because I'd be like half Italian, half English.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I'd be all over the place.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I said, how do you do it? How do you
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: like to turn off your English language and go straight Spanish?
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: That's a skill, man.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: When you visit.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Italy and you're speaking Italian, do you accidentally mix in English? Oh, yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Mojo's seen me do it. Half my words are in English.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a moron. It's funny because his family knows what
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: he's saying. Even though half the words are in English.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: They get the gist of it. I mean, he gets
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: by just fine.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You asked a.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Question, by the way, we were out at the Avs
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: charity golf tournament they do every year before the season starts.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: You asked a question. I can't remember who it was to.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was Gabe. But it was somebody that was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: not from here. And you said, when you think, do
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you think in your language or do you think in English?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Exactly right.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And it's something I never even considered.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: Well, like Peter Forsberg, when we interviewed him the other day.
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: Do you think he thinks in Swedish or English?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Does it depend on if he's speaking to somebody in
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: English or Swedish?
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: Like when I'm at my mother's house, I'm thinking in Italian.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: But when I'm talking to you, I'm thinking in, I
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: have no idea what language it is. American.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they say when you, you've really truly learned another
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: language when you dream in that language.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Got to tell you, I only dream American, baby. That's
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: all I dream.
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: All right, the qualifier for this hour is Cody Hill.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: So congratulations, Cody. We'll be at that Rooftop Social in
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Rhino next Tuesday competing in that Rock, Paper, Scissors contest
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: for a chance to get to that opener in Kansas
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: City with Denver and KC back after this.