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Friday the 13th Part 7: The New Blood · You Killed Clyde - A Horror Podcast

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to You Killed Clyde.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Franco.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Andrew.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: And today we're gonna be discussing what does it take to turn your hair into a full-blown helmet?
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: David, are you out there?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Move over, Carrie.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: We have a new telekinetic in town.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Folks, today we're talking about the 1988 film Friday the 13th, part 7, The New Blood.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is a supernatural slasher film about a teenage girl with psychokinetic powers who accidentally releases Jason from his watery grave, forcing him to go on another Crystal Lake killing spree.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Andrew, before we break down this film loosely, if you haven't seen it, pause, take a break, and come back and join us.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Or uh don't see it.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you can just listen to this and get the gist of this uh movie without having to subject yourself to this uh film.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we have like obviously differing opinions on this, but so I used to think part eight was my favorite, but I have a feeling it's this one.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: For some reason, I am like low-key obsessed with this film, and fun fact, and this is like I mean, this isn't cool, but I've actually rented this film roughly around 10 times over the past year or so.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's time to find it on Blu-ray or DVD.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't have a DVD player, so I just give the old I'm like for a price of a cup of coffee, you too can watch the new blood.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll it'll only cost you an hour and a half of your life essence, uh, which is your time.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: To be honest with you, like I mostly probably watch this movie.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is even more stupid, but I kind of watch it like if I'm about to fall asleep, I'll like put it on.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would do it.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: That would that that would do it to me too.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think uh well, I'll I'll let you continue here and I'll go into my thoughts in a bit.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you can like just go right in it.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing I wanted to say really was I do literally think this movie should be called Where's David?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because everyone at some point or another is looking for David, including Nick.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it kind of the part the vibe of this film shifts from like why is Mike not here to who cares?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like no one is concerned about him missing after like 20 minutes, and then it's like where's David?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: David, and also how characters will in this movie almost every single character for some reason or other will find themselves in the woods wandering around.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's true, and it's funny because their go-to okay, so if you think about it, there are two cabins there's a neighbor cabin with the teens, and there's the cabin with the main character, her mother, and the doctor.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of cross, like just crossing the lawn and going to the neighboring cabin to see if someone's there, their go-to is to go out into the woods to look for that person.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, and I think uh I know we're new scene by scene, but this film um I'm not really familiar to so my little background for Friday the 13th here uh is I haven't seen almost any of these movies.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen uh I'm like shamefully, I haven't seen part one or two.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've seen most of the one where I think it's Jason goes to hell.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is that where the coroner eats his heart?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like there's like a tr like a bait girl, and like he leads Jason to like a kill killing floor kind of thing, and then all these police light him up.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and then this guy.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Another excellent entry, PS.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that one was I was from what I watched, that one was way more interesting than this one.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then I probably this series has probably one of the worst movies ever made, and I'm not just standing up amongst horror or slashers.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was I would stand on business to say that Jason X is probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: I watched that with you.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's he goes to space and he's like uh there's like a Trinity wannabe.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, that's my history with this.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it was really nice for me to go into this movie blind.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love going to the movie, I love when you suggest a movie and I haven't seen it because I really get to go into it with that excitement of it being a new movie movie I haven't seen.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love scenes, I love especially with this podcast, it becomes an objective, right?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I get to watch this movie for a reason.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing too is I I want to like just say that I understand that there are you know there are really popular movies out there, and like this is a relatively new podcast, and obviously, like we're gonna cover really good movies in the future.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to cover Terminator, for instance.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I think like right now, my goal is to like cover some films that I just really love because I have fun talking about them, and I want to get into like the vibe of talking about these movies.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason I picked this one is because it is a little bit more like lighthearted and fun.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I really wanted to get your perspective on it because we do have differing opinions on this.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that I love this movie like by any stretch of the word.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like, oh my god, like I'm gonna compare it to Kill Bill, which is like one of my top 10 favorite films of all time.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say this is a really fun watch.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoy the storyline.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, after doing the script, I have learned that Tina's arc in the film and like how powerful she becomes from basically not really using her powers to being able to focus them.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think is a fun, fun aspect of it.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do I think it should be in a JSON film?
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely not.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think that they definitely strayed away from like the slasher territory and they moved into something that, and I'll go into the light background of why they did that, but a little bit of an odd choice, in my opinion.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: I just think too, like, I think this is a film where there's just the most mind-numbing, senseless, uninspired, and boring kills of almost any movie I've ever seen.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this movie contains much like I know we uh we don't have a we don't we never produced it, but I know when we watched Children of the Corn together, this movie does a lot of what that movie does with its kills, where I'm excited for there to be about like a ton of gore in some of these kills.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jason gets his head hands on like a like a hedge trimmer, but it's like a saw blade, not a whipper snapper.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be this blood spraying everywhere.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, we just came off the heels of Evil Dead.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um and there's none of that.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: This movie has some of the most budget-friendly kills you'll ever see.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I just none of none of these none of these characters mattered to me in this film.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think I did not give a shit about who died at all in this entire movie.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: I did not care about a single one.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I thought they were funny too.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's there are some kills.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'll let you uh I'll let you go on.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was just gonna say, I I I just think it's funny, and there's a lot that I cut out of the script, which is like there are a series of couples, like this is almost like couple kills, like there are four different couple kills that don't exist in the other films, and and then I just thought, okay, like this is the thing I find odd about this movie, and why I the thing I don't like about it is if you think of Tina's whole arc, and you think of like the arc of the teenagers in the neighboring cabin, really, those two like Jason doesn't intersect with her until like literally the last like 15 minutes, so it's like, well, that that's a whole other movie.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing too.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Is that I think here that's my other issue.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh should I say about this movie, but I think that's the thing too, is like if you're gonna have I'm all I can sign up for like a woman who or a character who's gonna get telekinetic powers to square off against an em like you know, an immovable force, you know, the unstoppable.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jason, out of all the killers, Jason is closest to the Terminator for me.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he's very much like that hulking, walking only guy who can take insurmentable damage um and keep going.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: I know other killers do this too, but they they really show they show this on screen a lot with this killer.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I wish she had interacted with him like maybe two more times.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe one time she her powers really sucked, and he just like he almost kills her and she gets away.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Second time, maybe she slows him down a little bit and halfway through the film.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: I just wish this was more of a dueling, like he kills people to get to her rather than he just senselessly killing people.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think this movie really lacked like a vision of what it wanted to do up until the last 20 minutes of this film.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I agree because if you think about it, like I said about her arc, like what they'll do is they'll pause her storyline and they'll introduce us to two couples.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Two of the couples, by the way, and one is like one contains one of like the most, you know, adored kills in the entire franchise, which we'll go through.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: But like that couple has nothing to do even with the teen cabin thing.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're just thrown in there just for kill fodder, which I get, but if you think of like, I know you haven't seen part one and part two.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: To me, a lot of people don't like part one.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's awesome.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just like really, really, really fun.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like very inspired for like what it was, and I hadn't seen any films like that in the past, yada yada.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: But there was the characters you're introduced to them, and like slowly they die one by one, spoiler alert.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: This one, I just felt like we would veer off into a tangent just so that we could see Jason in action because he really had nothing to do in the film.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's this is like I like it's funny they brought the couples.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's literally one scene towards the end of the movie.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's one scene where you're three separate couples canoodling, like they're all being set up to be like I like to be killed or attacked.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I just find this film has like a bunch of like a lot of contrived kills, and I find I know it was that maybe product of its time, but Jay Jason movies are obviously famous.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, one of the things they're famous for is you know, whenever Jason pursues someone, they trip and fall on like in the woods.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like those these movies really make that famous.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like I know he's supernatural, but I'll never understand how people like like throughout this movie, characters will run away, stop to talk for a second, then he's right behind him and kills him.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I did so I just feel like this film um it just has a lot of contrived kills because it needs Jason to do something until the showdown.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I think one thing you're forgetting about is that Jason can indeed teleport past part six.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what I figured.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I figured that when he's moving and he's off, like when they can't see him, he kind of can like materialize out of the shadows or something.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's I just put that up as my head canon.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, if you think about it, like I think that's what adds like another cool aspect, which I honestly didn't think about until right now, which is that he is a supernatural zombie lumbering murderer, yeah, which which technically has supernatural powers, versus a woman who has supernatural, like it's almost like he's finally met, you know, like that this movie really does, and none of the other movies explore this, which is like another supernatural aspect being introduced to the film.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why I like it.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she to me, if you look at Gene Gray from like the initial or the original like X-Men animated series and how useless she is, this girl could kick her fucking ass.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's I will say the most entertaining part of the movie is that last 20 minutes and what uh Tina does with her powers.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like she hurls a couch across the room, like it's like nobody's business.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not just a couch, though.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: We have uh you actually know what I take it back.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Watch this movie, and if you don't laugh when she chucks the potted plant at Jason, then I think there's something wrong with you because I was howling with laughter when that happened.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I actually did not include that in my script, but like there's you you can talk about that when we get there.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was so much to talk about, Andrew, and I had to cut so much out because it was like couple, there's an entire couple full disclosure that I've just like excluded from this entire film.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, feel free to bring up anything that you would like as we get there.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know, well, Andrew, you'll have plenty of time to um talk about more, but did you want to get to some light background here?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because to me, there's a couple interesting things here that I thought were kind of funny that I wanted to highlight.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do it.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I want to preface this by saying that there is a ton of historical information about the franchise as a whole, but I'm only covering anything that pertains to this film.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: So this film was intended to be a much higher quality film than the previous films, with high-profile directors considered to helm the project.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say considered, I don't believe that any of these directors were interested.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the production company thought, oh, this would be cool if this person did this film.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the initial concepts for the film, developed by associate producer Barbara Sachs, was involving a corporate land developer who covers up the previous Jason Voorhees massacres in order to build condos on Crystal Lake.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: But executive producer Frank Mancuser Jr., he wasn't a fan of this idea, but he did perk up when the screenwriter Daryl Haney stated there's always a teenage girl who's left to battle Jason by herself.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: What if that girl had telekinetic powers?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that really piqued their interest.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So Saks goes on to say that she wanted this installment to be a more respectable film than previous entries.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: With Haney stating that she wanted it to be like unlike any other Friday the 13th movie, she wanted it to win an Academy Award.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, settle down.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, Andrew, one of the fun uh games or things that I'd like you to think of in the background as we're going through this film is is this scene worth an Academy Award as we go through the film?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: And listen to this.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Several high-profile directors were considered for the job, including Italian filmmaker Federico Vellini.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I highly doubt that he would uh he would have considered this film, but I didn't.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's a single at the time this movie was made, there's no way a single well-known director would have signed up to do this movie.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think Spielberg was considered.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that'd be kind of funny if there's like some universe where something like that was forced to do a Jason movie, like a and like they just kicked ass.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the material is there, it's not like my I'm of the thinking that like material in creative hands will always be excellent, and material in you know, people with lack of imagination and without the skills will always be shitty.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's just the way the world works, right?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: So this has nothing to do with like Jason versus Tina, it's just like in the hands of the wrong people, it just went wayward, you know.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I think I just don't think I mean it's it's kind of interesting to hear that these the whoever, like the producers or whoever showed up the company was self-aware that these movies were not great.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: So to further conceal the identity of it as a Friday the 13th film and to like further distance themselves from those films because they wanted to create this high-quality movie.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: This film was originally supposed to be called Birthday Bash.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it was the the reason was is they wanted to introduce this like new high-quality Academy Award-winning film to an entirely new audience.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: So they could do that by distancing themselves from the franchise moniker.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they had mega high hopes for this uh Italian entry in this series.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: So Paramount Pictures, and I thought this was interesting.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Paramount Pictures actually sought out Newline cinema because they wanted this to be the big crossover between Freddy versus Jason.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: But this obviously didn't come to fruition until much later on, and I think that's like perfectly okay because I don't think that they had the chops to do that at this time.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: But to give you an example of why they sought out Newline, apparently, like with each Friday the 13th sequel, the box office profits were not as high as the previous films.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I will say they were making a killing off these films, and I'll give you some numbers later, but in their mind, like we were talking about earlier, because they weren't growing, they just considered it a failure.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: So because the Nightmare and Elm Street film franchise was grossing nearly twice the amount, and continuing exactly, yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not part five, but they thought like there's a successful franchise out there.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: If we question for you, serious question.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is part five worse than any of the Jason movies?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, okay.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, part five to me is is pretty, pretty terrible.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: I am a nightmare on Elm Street, though.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm extremely critical of that franchise because it's my absolute favorite.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas Friday the 13th, like that's not even that doesn't even rank in my top, like it's not even a franchise I really enjoy, to be honest with you.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think any of the films, sorry for the people out there that are like diehard fans.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think any of the films are really, really great, except for like part one.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Part two is pretty good.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, part three is an abomination.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: People love part four, part four is okay.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: This series has several abominations, and like I think too, this series has a cult fallen.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Jason's obviously still like everyone knows what he looks like, so the series did a good job of staying of making its you know foothold in the pop culture space.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: But um, not to interrupt your background here, it's very interesting.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sorry.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's okay.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, so they wanted to like they the the point here is that they wanted to like search out a partnership with Nightmare Elm Street because they wanted to like gross more money, they wanted to make more money.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: They thought by pairing these two up.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I just found that interesting because it's not that they thought it would be like a cool concept or cool idea, it was really a financial reason, which I thought was like, I'm happy that it wasn't made because the one that we end up getting, I actually think is pretty good.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, the two companies couldn't reach a fruitful agreement, so this concept was entirely abandoned.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the entire production of this film was completed end to end within seven months, with shooting taking place from October 1987 in Baldwood County, Alabama at Burns Lake.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Just to give you an example, these films they pumped out eight movies from 1980 to 1988.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's wow.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's fast.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: It is, and so like when you're talking about quality, you can now understand why maybe they aren't the highest quality.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those that's a fast that to like to go through like casting, production, editing, directing the theaters, all that in a year, and then to start working your next one immediately after, that's crazy.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, no wonder you had diminishing returns.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, people didn't have to wait.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was uninspired, and it was very quick.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's wild.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is there that must be the this must be the only franchise, like horror franchise to ever do that?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I will say Nightmare on Elm Street's very similar because they produced, I think, five films in less time, I believe.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Although, yeah, anyway, we'll get into that later.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so to continue on here, so this film also marks the first time ever that Kane Hotter played the role of Jason.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So this shocked me because I always understood him as like the people's Jason, like the Jason.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Even I've heard his name playing as Jason.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: But this was his like very first appearance as Jason.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: So Hotter was ultimately chosen based on his work in the film Prison, because the New Bloods director, John Carl Bukler, had previously worked with him, and apparently he just had like amazing physicality.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so in the film Prison, Hotter filmed a scene in which his character Charlie, a prisoner executed in the electric chair, rises from the grave.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so, very Jason-esque, especially from part six, Hotter suggested to Bukler that he had maggots coming out of his mouth during the scene to heighten the effect of decomposition.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: So Bukler, remembering Hotter's commitment to the role, cast him in the role of Jason, forever sealing his fate as a horror icon.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that is a little background on uh part seven.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Again, if we get into like other entries in the franchise, I would love to cover part eight.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um not like next week, but in the future.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've been subjected to enough torture.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I'm I'll need a long break from this franchise, I think.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: How do you think Friday the 13th was received?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: This was obviously poorly received by critics, and I would say middle in response to poorly received by the audiences.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for once, out of five times that we played this game, you are right this time.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: So the film, this was too easy though.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: So the film was released on May 13th, 1988, to mostly negative reviews from critics.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: On Rotten Tomatoes, the film's uh Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 33% based on 27 reviews with an average rating of 4.6.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: On Metacritic, it has a weighted score of 13 out of 100 based on based on nine critics, indicating overwhelming dislike.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: So audiences polled by Cinema Score gave the film an average grade of B on an A to F scale.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's higher than any other movie that we have covered, I think.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well that's gotta be like, I think I that's what this is what I'm saying earlier.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think that this film, like these this franchise, has a cult following of fans that will follow this franchise to the grave.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna guess that people pulled were already like pro-Jason for pro Friday the 13th films.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I take all of these with a grain of salt.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't really think that, like, I don't know, any review, like, especially like when you get a film reviewed by reviewers on Rotten Tomatoes, like those people, their agenda, in my opinion, is like look at the film from like an intellectual lens.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't often think audiences view film, like I would give this film maybe like a seven out of ten.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just thought it was awesome.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's something like there's lots of movies that like we've we've taught this before, but there's plenty of movies that I like that were reviewed poorly, so it's just that's the wonderful thing about movies is obviously when we talk about these reviews, this is just like you know, a generalization, but it's very likely that someone who hasn't seen this watches it and was like, you know, that's really interesting.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: I actually liked it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: So um love movies for that.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: One thing I wanted to do is like I want to start pulling out like my favorite reviews for these movies, and this is mine.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: So Susie Florey of the Santa Clarita Valley Signal wrote, It's Hollywood's idea of every teenager's dream.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: A bunch of lovely newbile young girls, a rustic cabin in the woods, a stash of marijuana, and gore galore, courtesy of a zombie superhuman psycho killer.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, did she like that movie?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think that kind of sounds like the the this franchise that sounds like it sounds like she liked it.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: I would say that's like kind of like like she's saying this, there's a lot of stuff in here that's like will catch your attention.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, one thing I do want to talk to you, let's go over like the film's gross quickly, but there's one thing I want to talk to you and maybe challenge you on a little bit is the gore aspect because you mentioned that you weren't you didn't feel like this movie delivered the gore.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think contextually in the 1980s around this time, like this movie is like pretty gory.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like he punches a whole he conquests someone, Andrew.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think too, I think I think I'm my bias, like my scale for this has been skewed just from coming off the heels of Evil Dead, especially where oh yeah, uh we you know we did that two weeks ago, and Evil Dead, the camera doesn't ever pan away.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: You you do see them the mutilation and the gore.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: So whereas I will say, like, I I don't even know if it's about the gore.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just found this film to obviously like save on effects work.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's just like a lot, there's several kills where the camera pans away really quick as the weapon is like hits their stomach or whatever, or like so not all of them, like there's some there's this film has an awesome kill in it.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple kills that I love.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I thought the stunt work was really good, uh, which we can talk about later when we get to that part.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so listen to this.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: The film grossed 19.2 million dollars at the US box office on a budget of 2.8 million.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, this makes this film like wildly successful.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know this, but these films like make a fucking killing.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: In their mind, this is what I was trying to say earlier, though.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, in their mind, this was like a diminished return from the previous film, but you made 10 times what you put into this film, like that's a lot of money, guys.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about this before.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is one of those things where it's like you can make a horror film on a smaller, I mean, I know 2.8 million is still a lot, but um, you can make your film on a smaller budget comparatively to like an action film or science fiction or something, and churn out the money easy if it's you know, if it puts audiences in seats.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Also, this franchise, too, like this is the fan, this is kind of the franchise that like really brought the term like boobs and blood to the forefront.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like the this franchise is famous for having a lot of like nudity and like sexual encounters prior to them getting killed.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so that's probably always gonna excite people to try and go see these movies, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, that's funny, that happens every single time someone is killed in this movie, and that's a really good point.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like uh though that's one thing I did know I do know about this franchise prior.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I guess I've only seen one one and a half now, two two and a half of these movies.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And but this this franchise has really made that really was it is famous for that trashy slasher horror of like the you know, blood, guts, boobs, nudity, sex, teenagers, college kids.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like while they might not be quality, I think these movies are gonna make those kind of grosses because at the end of the day, you can be like, you know what, I'll take my girlfriend to see this, or you know, I'll take my boyfriend to see this or my partner, whoever.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's gonna be blood and guts in it and boobs and nudity in it, so why not?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, remember though that their goal was to make an Academy Award-winning film.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm just gonna keep reminding you of that as we drive through this because it's wild.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think the uh I think that really comes to the forefront where we get like the underside naked shot of that woman swimming.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think that was really yes, yeah, I have it in my notes.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, the I think there's so such amazing cinematography, such as uh the underside of Sandra swimming, um, really kind of brings that to the forefront that this could be an Academy Award-winning film.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's very like basic instinct, in my opinion, which is also like one of my favorite movies.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I wanted to give you an example.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like you mentioned, like a shoestring budget for horror.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to this.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: The first film made$39.7 million off a$550,000 budget.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's I mean, that's clearly why this that clearly catapulted this into a franchise.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's wild.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: However, this box office turnout continued the franchise's diminishing declines in revenue, according to the studio.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: So still successful, but not considered a financial or critical success in the minds of reviewers and producers.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Andrew, are you ready to get into it?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's let's uh let's go into the scene.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start let's start off this movie.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't know if you noticed this, but technically this movie doesn't really begin until the five-minute mark because they always pad the runtime with these like with previous footage from the previous film.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have it in my notes.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Always, yeah.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this is what I said.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna ask you this in this podcast here.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, uh, we see a montage of what I'm guessing is from the previous movies.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then we see Jason.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's in this, I don't know if that's from a prior movie, but he's chained to a rock and sunk to the bottom of a lake.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the end of part six, Tommy, who's basically like his arch nemesis through uh four, five, and six, sinks him.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: He basically puts a chain around his neck and sinks Jason to the bottom of Crystal Lake.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think this movie is like this movie's reminding you of that, but at the same time, we don't need a reminder, and like secondly, you're just patting the runtime.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, that's what I think they're doing.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is it's a weird choice to show like the best hits of the previous movies.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a last time on.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like this is a movie, not a television show.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we open with Crystal Lake, where we see the body of Jason tied to the bottom of the lake, right where Tommy left him at the end of part six.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're also introduced to young Tina who rushes out of the cabin to escape her parents' abusive relationship, happening upon the lake and hopping into the family's boat.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Her father pleads with her to come back, and as he does this, she says, I hate you, I wish you were dead, and the dock he's standing on begins to shake and shudder, ultimately collapsing on him, submerging him below the surface to a watery grave.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: So this establishes young Tina did indeed murder her father, albeit on accident.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she gives quite a ridiculous stare when she uh collapses the duck.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, is this Carol Ann from Poltergeist?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not the best child actresses.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: I I'll give I'll give child actresses a lot, or child actors and actresses a lot of slack, but obviously this was just, you know, she had to do what she had to do.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think she did a great job.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the point, like, I I do like the fact that she, you know, collapsed.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: She we see an expression of her power early on, even as a child, right?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: So they're they're aware that like there's something special about her, maybe not at this point, but it definitely comes to fruition uh later on.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut to present day where we see Tina played by Lar Park Lincoln, accompanied by her mother.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: I lovingly call her mother Sonic or Buzzsaw, because how the hell do you spray your hair into a full-on helmet?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it's like her hair is distracting.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's wild.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: And never in this movie, even though she's at a cabin, never do you see it out of place.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, she's coming out of the shower.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's got that hair freaking sprayed, girl.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there it looks like it stinks.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I think there's like several people in this movie that look at these stink.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like her hair looks like it, like literally, if she was near a campfire, it would like explode at ignite.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, they're heading to their cabin at Crystal Lake, the one from the cold open, where Tina's mother hopes to heal Tina from her past trauma with the help of their family doctor, Dr.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Tina's mother assures her Dr.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz wants to help her, and she hates to see her go back to the hospital.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you notice in this movie they threaten this girl like literally 14 times that you're going back to the hospital, and the threats keep getting worse and worse.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: First, it's like you're going back to the hospital, then it's like you're going back to the hospital for the rest of your life.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, Cruz is like, I mean, you kind of find out why, but they don't even make they don't make even one attempt to make this guy likable.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And like one of her opening lines is like, I'd hate to see you go back to the hospital.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, just to like, like right away to hang it over like Tina's head that she's like got mental health issues.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Cruz is such a thing.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: The interesting thing too, and we'll talk about this later, but the gaslighting.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, again, this isn't like a deep film, but it it is interesting that like he forces her to think she's crazy.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she's not, she's just someone who has special abilities.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you find out he's trying to do everything he can to goad her into using them.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why not just be open about it?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: She fucking hates him, though, man.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I hate him.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: As they arrive at the cabin, Dr.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz is there to greet them.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's there to help, Andrew.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: However, so is Cute Neighbor Nick, played by Kevin Spiritas.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: And a lovely Canadian tuxedo.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Couple of those in this movie.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they experience a crystal lake meat cute as Nick attempts to help Tina collect her things, including an exposed pair of underwear that's fallen out of her suitcase.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: She just like opens up, like it's so like this is one of those scenes like where like they set it up where you just know what's gonna happen, where she fetches her suitcase, and you can see by her face, I'm like, this suitcase is gonna open up and spill her belongings on the ground, and just low and bowl, just like oh the suitcase just spills, and then Nick runs over.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, and it was like one of the ones without the skid marks, thank god.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank Christ.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: So Nick is really hot, so she's kind of lucked out.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: He he's very handsome.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I this is another reason I like this movie.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny because I've watched this movie again like about 20 times, but I really enjoy their relationship.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're both cute, they're both they really like each other.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Trauma's gonna bring them together, Andrew, by the end of this little film.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: And despite like Nick being the male protagonist and romantically interested in Tina, he's not a skeis at all, really.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's very like honest and very much is about her, which I like.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, there's a scene later that we'll talk about where they introduce each other to each other's background, and it's so corny.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's I have this in my notes too.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: What a buzzkill.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, let's go.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I I think I might have cut that out of the script.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I want to mention here, like, I will be introducing you to the cabin of teens next door, but what I want to call attention to here, like quickly, is the weather.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it seems like there are a bunch of babes like sunbathing outside when Tina arrives.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: But from what I can tell, there is not one leaf to be found on a tree, and it looks fucking freezing.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like they're trying to pass it off like it's like a beach vacation.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it seems like it's literally like the dead of winter.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't understand that.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also like I think they're trying to pass it off as like, oh, this is like a hot summer beach weekend.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like freezing.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's winter, it's October.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but the fun doesn't last forever as the treatment must begin.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz asks Tina to concentrate her emotions and focus on a small matchbook on the table.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: He wants her to make it move.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: We as the audience learn quite quickly here that Tina has special powers.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: But as she concentrates, she gives up saying, I can't.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: I told you I don't know how it happens.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: As a result, Dr.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz begins berating Tina, yelling at her to concentrate.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: And as she does this, we see the small batch matchbook shift across the table and light a flame.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this is our first exposure to Tina's psychokinetic abilities, and boy, is there more where that came from.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: So he's already like putting the stress and pressure on on her to uh showcase her abilities.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like and he this it just showed this scene already shows you like first she barely tries, and then I was I was kind of like with the doctor for a second where he like tries to call her out on this, like where she's like, uh I can't do it, and he's like, Come on, man, like you didn't even put effort in.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're on Dr.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Cruz's side, no, just for a second, but then like he immediately just like wants her to like like use her guilt and shame about her father to like bring out her emotions.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just like he's such a idiot.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: And the other the other thing I don't understand though is like he everyone's aware that she has special powers, yet he keeps he keeps referring to the death of her father as the reason she's experiencing like delusions and psychosis.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of odd.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's like use your powers, but then those powers aren't real, they're dil like it was a very weird, like not Academy Award-winning uh screenwriting, in my opinion.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like he like it's like throughout this film, like I said, they they you said it earlier, but like they bring up that she might have to go back to the hospital, but like she has telekinetic powers, and you know this, so it's like, why are you trying to shove her in this like label of like, oh, actually, it's all in your head, you're crazy.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like that juxtaposition on his behalf is very weird.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: I do, however, support the idea that he's gaslighting her about like certain things to exacerbate her power.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if they just stuck with that, it'd be okay.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: But like, anyway, I found I found that very, very confusing.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna cut to Jason's awakening.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Again, like he's a total side piece in this movie.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: He is not the main main dish.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut to later in the evening as a distraught Tina rushes from the family cabin.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say, I think this is one of 19 scenes we have of her like rushing from the cabin.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like just always running away.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she did like yeah, like just rushing away.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: She did like 10 takes and they just like kept using them throughout the entire film.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's always her like slightly putting on a jacket and like rushing to the car, like 10 of them.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: So she rushes to none other than the doc.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: And she begins forcing her attention toward the past to her long-buried father beneath the water's edge.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I could bring you back, she says.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And as she does this, begins to concentrate her attention on what she thinks is her father, but oh no, she stirred up a sleeping Jason, freeing him from his watery cemetery and releasing him into back in the wilds of Crystal Lake.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he he explodes out onto the surface, which is kind of cool.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And we get to see is the costume work here, is pretty good.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: We have his exposed spine and some exposed ribs.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really like that fact a lot, even though he's still like hulking.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: I like that his spine and his uh ribs were showing.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: And we're pretty sure now that he is like part amphibian, right?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, yeah.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's just what he's themed around this lake, so I think when he's in the water, he can kind of just you know move through it quickly.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: And also, Tina passes out here and Jason leaves her alone.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe so.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: I actually didn't think about that until right now, but I'm wondering if maybe he wants to kill like active, you know, engaged victims.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe she passed out and he's like, ah, fuck it.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe for those for that one minute, whatever sentience he has, he's just like, Oh, she set me free, so I'll leave her for now.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Or third option, she created a subconscious telekinetic shield.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a total scene cut out.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe like once she was passed out, he couldn't even see her laying down.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: So she frees him from his watery grave, and again, total side piece.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: We really don't connect with him again um for a second.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, we cut to to Nick, who's arrived at Tina's house.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's returning her sweater, the one that fell from her suitcase earlier during their meet cute.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he mentions a group of teens next door is here for his cousin's surprise birthday party.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: He extends he extends an invite to Tina, which she gleefully accepts.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna shift away from Tina for a moment, and this is where we get couple fodder.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: First of many couple fodder.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: We get Michael and Jane, played by William Butler and Stacy Greason, respectively, whose car has mysteriously broken down by the side of the road, forcing them to traverse the woods of Crystal Lake.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: We learn Michael is Nick's cousin.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: The only reason I'm bringing up this scene, to be honest, is because Michael is Nick's cousin.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's relevant.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's they this they are partying, they're throwing this party for Mike.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he doesn't know about it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's expected at the cabin because it's his surprise birthday party.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I wrote, Boy, are they in for a surprise.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: With a surprise guest.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: The guest of honor.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: The guest of honor.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: This time the guest of honors come packing.
• 43:39
  unknown: Sorry.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they are they're dispatched quite quickly by Jason, who utilizes a metal weapon that becomes important later that makes a shocking appearance later in the film.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: We have our first two absolutely needless characters and our first two kills.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Andrew, you mentioned the Gore factor.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: So any additional opinions on that as it relates to these two deaths?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, not really.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he crush he uh chokes out, crushes Jane by the neck, and the knife throw is fantastic.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I've nothing this doesn't need to be anything other than it was, so I'm fine with it.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine with these two kills.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Another thing we'll note is like Jason has been under the water.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is what I don't understand.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, no.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Jason has been under the water for quite some time.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Is he hungry?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is a I don't think uh I think this if for you said it earlier, he's basically like a non-flesh-consuming zombie that is just hellbent on killing everything that's around him.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I don't think hunger has to do with it.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say why so hell bent, but I think they've established that in the first six films, so we don't have to rehash that.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: We are literally on part seven of this stuff, man.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I just don't get it.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're about to get into everything I'm going to say from like here on in, in my opinion, is just like batshit crazy.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I've like set up the scene, but essentially, so we're gonna return to the neighboring cabin where Nick has escorted Tina off for a good time.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: And here we're introduced to our resonant group of sexy teens.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: I want to focus here just on a particular relationship, just for a quick second, as we meet two Galpals, Maddie, played by Diana Burroughs, and Robin, played by Elizabeth Kitan, as they discuss their plans for the weekend.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: We quickly learn, and this becomes important later, they have affections for the same guy, Stoner David, played by John Renfield, who, in my opinion, really is like the unsung hero of this film.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen, like, okay, this guy's just like vibing out and everyone is obsessed with him?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I wish I had that kind of like charisma.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he does nothing, expresses zero interest, is just living his best life, and everyone around him is just like, this guy.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think Nick wants to fuck him.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: This whole party scene, I think I have to leave this up to the directing and writing.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you call this poor acting, but like all these, whenever these teenagers or college kids, sorry, um interact with each other, like from here on out, it's always uh, it just seems so like like these are the lines I had to read, so I read them as opposed to like organic dialogue.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like this movie seems to have like very little organic dialogue when it comes to the college kids interacting with each other.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: The only dialogue that like kind of like works for me at some parts is like between Nick and Tina, but Melissa doesn't have a single normal sentence in this entire movie.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's they they like from minute one, they like this girl's a psychopath and can probably like be in like her own slasher film.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um because she just like they just give her the weirdest shit to say in every single time she's on screen.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: I actually I want to double down on what you just said, but I there are two lines in this kitchen scene that I think are really funny.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: One is one that I'll send to my friend Nicole literally, probably once a week.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: But Russ comes in the kitchen and he says, This party just started and it's already looking like the closing day at the stock exchange.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's like, what the fuck?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like he's he enters the kitchen, he's looking around at the food and all the shit that's around.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Why would this be what part of this was an organic line the writer thought would be clever for a teen uh for a college kid to say it's like because him and Sander are supposed to be like the yuppie white-collar upper class?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing I don't understand is in the scene with Michael and Jane, Jane says to Michael that we rented this great cabin and everything for your surprise birthday party.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yet Russ is kind of acting like he says something like you're already eating my uncle's food.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so is it not?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, did you rent it or is it his cabin?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's a writing snafu.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: I that I thought of that more.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like we never learn anything more about that.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: That his uncle might own this cabin.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, because they don't care.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Friday the 13th doesn't care, and you just wait when we cover another one.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just wait, girl, because there's a lot.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Please, Frank.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to say, uh, I want to go back to Melissa for a second.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: So mean girl Melissa, played by Susan Jennifer Sullivan.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: So she likes going in line with what you just said.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she's showing off her new pearl necklace, which was gifted by her daddy with a message that said, To the best little girl in the whole world.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what she says to them.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's her line.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: She's just oh my god, insufferable this whole movie.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: I can't stand her entire little subplot in this movie.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I cut a lot of it out because I was like, I just don't.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's exhausting.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, I didn't give a shit about her wanting to be with Nick or whatever.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: And do you notice like how much that that guy literally at one point says, like, I don't like you.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was so funny.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, she takes that as like, oh, he really likes me.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I loved that scene.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, he looks at her with such like, oh, and like that's probably girl.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I got Tina, dude.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably like some of the only natural dialogue we get from a character to another character.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is like he actually generally looks like he can't stand this girl.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: So as the teens are canoodling in literally just chaos, Tina has a vision, a vision of Nick's cousin Michael being brutally stabbed in the back by a mysterious figure.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we kind of learn that not only does she have like psychokinetic, like telekinetic powers, she's also a psychic.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where Dr.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz like preys upon her.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not her telekinesis, it's like his.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, it's like he really wants to gaslight her around her like psychic abilities, which I find very deep for this movie, an academy award-winning material.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's super a lot of layers to this.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh about as much layers as an orange, really.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, this is ha ha ha ha ha ha.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard that in my life.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: So she exits the party abruptly, returning home to inform her mother and Dr.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz of what she's seen.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: She notes she's also seen a giant metal weapon, the same one from Michael's stabbing, stuck in their back porch.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz again assures her this is another delusion spun up from guilt over her father's death, completely dismissing her.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: She counters this by saying, Well, he left a pretty large delusion stuck in our back porch, referring to the metal piece she encountered earlier.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: As Dr.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz approaches, he doesn't find what Tina mentioned, forcing Tina to confront the fact she might indeed be going crazy.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, actually, I'm gonna save this.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because at this point, we aren't sure if that was a delusion.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, at this point we do not.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: And how exciting is that?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Very exciting.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really trying to make this.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I gotta say, like, I put the similar line here.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, guys, if whoever's watched this movie, and if you're listening to this, like at the half hour mark, I'm like, I at this point, I had to switch my brain into I need to finish this film as opposed to I want to finish this film.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you think like all the scenes we've gotten up until now?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is a serious question, too.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like all the scenes that we've gotten up until now are very like they're they are character developing and character building.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think they're establishing one throwaway, I haven't seen one throwaway scene yet, in my opinion.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think just I think it's really just like this dialogue between characters that doesn't make me care about their connections at all, so I can't connect with them.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: That I was just kind of like, you know, if it wasn't Tina, I think Tina was when I was interested in the film on screen by this point, and I I was just like, oh god, this movie's gotta pick something up here.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're about to pick it up because this is a slasher movie, which sometimes I forget it's a slasher movie.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're again visited by another useless couple, Dan and Judy, as they prepare for a good night's sleep.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: So this couple has nothing to do with the uh teen cabin.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: They are literally just kill fodder for us, and also if you're uh if you're McGruber fans, the guy here is dressed identically to uh Will Forte as McGruber.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like the outfit, the vest, the plaid is identical.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: I laugh my ass off of that.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: I never even thought about that.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: So as Judy nestles under her yellow sleeping bag, calling out for her big hunk of a man, a lumbering Jason cuts through the tent wall, gathers her up, and relentlessly pounds her body against a tree, spilling her bloody corpse among the forest floor.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I thought this was uh just an awesome, hilarious, in the best way, like a fun, hilarious kill.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: When he pulls to me.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just the visual, you get to see you get to see the full wide angle of him whipping this obviously a mannequin in this sleeping bag against the tree in the metal post, whatever it was.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was great.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Fun factor, too, when Jason kicks the sleeping bag, this was actually a result of Kane Hotter getting really frustrated from several takes of this scene.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, like the the power he's using, the anger was all real.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome, and I think that's really cool.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I also like this kill.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, in my opinion, and I think this is like this will go down in like the the cult following of these films.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: I believe this kill is ranked one of the top in the entire franchise.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fantastic.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's iconic, yeah.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's brutal, it's like it looks good.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is it's and it's also for me, it's it's kind of funny, and I don't mean funny in a bad way.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was uh it was a fun kill.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Are you advocating for murder?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, but uh we also this scene tripped me up, not tripped me up, this scene was I guess misled me here because I really thought we were gonna get the rest of the movie with Jason killing people with this iconic machete because he does steal the guy's machete, who he which he brought for like bushwhacking and wood chopping.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's like he has a scene where he has the machete in his hand.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, that's classic Jason, but like he doesn't really he's he goes through basically and uh sheds and armories reserve of various weapons he used in this movie.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: He does, yeah.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: I want to ask you, like, where did the machete go?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the machete is gone 90% of this film.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think he kills like one David with it.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he chopped, yeah.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: He he only splits his face with the machete.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Every other kill, it's like a different weapon, yeah.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: Including like a baseball, we'll get into it.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: A horn?
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's one, yeah.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: I actually cut that out of my script, so you can take us away.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: We return to the cottages the next morning where Nick and Tina are back together skipping stones upon the lake.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: In all okay, I wrote this in my notes like in all honesty.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is so funny because so, in all honesty, like I wanted to skip the scene, but it does continue their arc.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: So here it is.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we learn that Nick has had a tough life and used to hang out with a real bad crowd.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: We also learn that Tina doesn't like it here as she recounts the tale of her father's death.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: His response is classic as he says, So you're okay now, aren't you?
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like she just said she thinks she's responsible for her dad's death, dude.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this this cover, like Tina's a total buzzkill here.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: She is a buzzkill, dude.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Ugh.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: These two people don't know each other that well.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, there's there's chemistry.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nick's trying to make conversation, and you know, he just briefly says he he really doesn't harp on that he's had a hard life.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: He just says, Yeah, like I, you know, I grew up the wrong crown, you know, ha ha.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: But here I am now.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: And Tina's like, yeah, well, I killed my dad.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like my dad's dead.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh uh, like awkward.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, where do I go from here?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, imagine you sit down with like a friend or whatever, and you're like, Yeah, man, I had a tough day at work today.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, you know, morning my boss yelled at me, you know, just been a tough year for me.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this reminds me of my father being dead.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like or like, oh, the price of groceries is up, and you're like, I killed my dad.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: And for some reason, we get Melissa creeping up in the trees, like, get a grip, girl.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like this fucking side plot with Melissa, she's a psychopath in this movie.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like do we need another side plot?
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, we have too many side plots.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: Dan and Judy were a side plot.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do we need more?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because she's like creeping it.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: They they sorry, but they there's this thing where they uh they show the first person cam review, and I don't know whether they're trying to make us think it's Jason, but it's Melissa.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like she's the killer, yeah.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what's funny?
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, but she tells Nick, Tina tells Nick, she goes, Oh, with my luck, you'll just be another delusion.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, are you trying to impress him?
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, this guy is down bad because he fights through all that conversation to still try and support her.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this next scene I I could have cut out, but it ended up being one of the longest-bred ones I have.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, some time passes as we cut the interior of the teen cabin where Tina has arrived asking if Mean Girl Melissa has seen her new boyfriend Nick.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's around, she says, before storming off.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to say, like, Melissa is like a stone cold bitch, but I do think the actress does a pretty good job of playing this character.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I do enjoy her.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna give me that, eh?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think Melissa, it's she's like, yeah, she has some interesting scenes, but I think she's written as she doesn't seem like she could be a real person that could exist with this group of friends at all.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: True, yeah, especially with this group of friends.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can see her being like in a high.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say the people I think she could be friends with are Sandra and Russ.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can see her being another movie where she's a psychotic in like a high society film, like it's a bunch of like rich kids or like they're at like fancy restaurants and play, and she talked like that because like she's just so removed from the reality of regular people.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: But for her to be like chumming with the rest of these teens, I or in uh I don't think they're teens or colleges, whatever.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um teens.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't she's just like all of her dialogue, it makes her out to be psychotic.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's just a weird, like she's hot, but like you would be every everybody would be immediately turned off by this person the way she talks to everybody.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no do.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: So Maddie assures Tina Melissa is like this with everyone except boys.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how Maddie talks, PS.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to crawl back into the dynamic of Maddie and Robin just for a second because Maddie expresses interest in David, who is a cutie, but Robin assures Maddie to get real, she's not his type.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: You need a little touch-up work first.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what a fucking bit.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's her friend, yeah.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is there's no not even the friends like sell me in the deal that they're friends in this movie.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, like none of these scenes like how are any of these people friends?
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just every scene that we snap back to this house where they're awake and talking to each other is is like the stuff they say to each other is just like holy this is terrible these are terrible people that I don't care about.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: But as we learn, Maddie gets her just desserts later on.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to say, like, that and even Robin gets her just desserts.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they both do, but Robin gets her just desserts.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, Maddie gets her just desserts.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: You just wait.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to say that at any given time in the cabin, I don't know if you notice this, but there are like roughly a hundred different things happening at once.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I'm trying to do here is just secure the most important, like juicy details for the audience.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: But if you've seen it, you'll you'll know what I'm talking about.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, as Maddie and Robin discuss Maddie's chances with David, Melissa has a prank for Tina, forcing one of the characters to mimic wearing a straight jacket and saying, Hey Tina, isn't this the way they wear their jackets back in the mental hospital?
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: But just as Melissa enjoys a moment of being the meanest bitch on the planet, the pearls around her neck begin to levitate and tighten before snapping and spilling onto the ground.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Tina has expressed another episode of telekinetic supremacy.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: What I wanted to say here though is the reason why I think this movie is slightly clever is because Melissa was bragging about the fact that her daddy got her these pearls to people that clearly can't afford them.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then Tina goes for the one thing that she loves.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's deep! That's not deep.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, well once again, a distraught Tina begs her mother to leave.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Her mother actually agrees, but not before Dr.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz steps in to threaten once again that if they leave, Tina may end up in the hospital for the rest of her life.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: So he's up the stakes here on Tina.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he like loses his shit here.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like he gets so like he starts off calm and just like loses his shit on Tina and her mom for throwing all this work away and stuff.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, shut the fuck up, Cruz.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: My question to you is like, is there any aspect of you that thinks he is trying to help her?
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, zero.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's a see you next Tuesday, man.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like he wants to publish work, right?
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like his goal is to like record this, write about it, and become famous.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like he doesn't care about helping her.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, and like we're getting to the part, we're getting to the to the um some more revelations here that just further show us that this behavior is in line with how douchey this guy is.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, here Tina's emotion rise, Tina's emotions rise to a crescendo.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: She hurls a full-on television set across the study, narrowly missing a frightened Dr.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: So she basically tries to kill him.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, uh full full board.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think at this point she has control over it.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, she's just like, uh she crunches her fist and like shakes her bodies.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, because this is a slasher movie, we again are visited by another useless couple, Sandra and Russ, as they prepare for a good night's skinny dip.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Sandra gets fully naked here before diving into the lake.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: Keep in mind, this is also like in the dead of winter.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is like this, this is a scene where like the franchise like rears its ugly head here is like a classic, like getting naked, busty blonde chick, uh, with a bunch of different angles of her.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they've been doing this since part two, by the way.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a very infamous scene of a woman just getting completely naked in the dead of night with no lights and heading into the lake.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: So um, I mean, do you deserve to die at that point?
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: And in this franchise, yes.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: So Jason suddenly appears and brutally mutilates Russ by splitting his face down the middle.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: Jason uses the same weapon he used to dispatch Michael, the same weapon stuck in the back of Tina's porch.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: As a skinny dipping Sandra notices Russ dead on the shoreline, we also notice that Jason has disappeared until he abruptly appears beneath Sandra, pulling her under the lake.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we get this is like there's this scene and like what it means in the grand scheme of like I'm not gonna get too nuts here, but of what it can mean, like what it does establish for a lot of horror films that even Cabin in the Woods builds on, is um that sexual promiscuity in slasher films equals you deserve to die, whereas usually our final girl or even the people closer to the final girl, you know, whereas people who are more reserved, virginity, that kind of thing means that you will deserve to live and make it through the end of the film.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: And this franchise does that heavily with like I again I've only seen two of these films.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I guess I I can't say this franchise as a whole, but from what I've seen really plays upon that where we the when you know when these teens are naked or they're they're flaunting their sexuality, or they're gonna have sex, we are gonna get then they're gonna get killed within like a few minutes of that.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the universe's law here.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we do get some some wonderful under the water camera work of Sandra being naked.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: It is it's dark, and you have the water kind of and her legs moving, but it's actually surprising that it's a it's she's fully naked.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for that I actually kind of Found that to be because it's true.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I I can speak as having seen these films multiple times each, and I challenge anyone to like a little bit of like trivia.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: I digress.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: I will say an under-the-water camera shot.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is the first time we're seeing something as gratuitous as this in a Friday the 13th film.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: But again, this could be because they wanted to go for that Academy Award.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think maybe there's they thought this would have like that subtle artistry to seeing the female form fully naked before she is slaughtered.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_01: So have you seen have you seen In a Violent Nature?
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have had the movie playing in front of me, uh, but I was very tired and only made it through like 20 minutes before I fell asleep.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I want to give like a spoiler alert.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, go, no, go for it.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna walk, I'm gonna rewatch it.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen a lot of the kills in it, so don't worry.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the killer walks in a violent nature, the killer, who's very much modeled after Jason.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he walks across an entire lake on the lake floor before appearing on the other side.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I kind of liked, and we've talked about this in the past, is like sometimes modern movies will remind me of the material that inspired them.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I like the fact that Jason literally crawled along the lake floor, and we we see how deep it is based on Sandra's like the underwater perspective, and then comes up and like nabs her.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I I liked that.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: I liked that.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know how to describe it.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: I like the fact that he doesn't need to breathe, he's underwater walking on the lake floor.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: I do like I like the mysticism surrounding the theming of the lake and Jason.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: I really like that.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool, and it it's I and actually, yeah, that that was one of my favorite parts of Innoviolent Nature.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was like one of the most clever parts of that movie, and I actually just really enjoyed it.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: I like when he pulled that girl's head through her stomach out of the back.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck, dude.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was sincere.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was amazing.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: I could not believe how long that went on for.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, anyways, different movie.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: We'll cover it some other time.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: I that would be a tough one.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, would you believe it, Andrew, that in part eight, Jason does indeed swim from Vancouver to New York City.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_00: So take that.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't like even if that would take okay, whatever.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: So things start to heat up now as we enter the final stretch.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wake up, Andrew! I'm here.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just kidding.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: Sanders' body's woken me up.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's gross.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut to Dr.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz, he opens the drawer to his desk, and it's revealed to us that he not only knows about the weapon stuck in the back porch, but he's been actively concealing it from Tina and her mother, Sonic.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: The Porcupine Dr.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz knows more than he's letting on.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: As he heads out into the woods for God knows why and stumbles upon a dead Michael.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, this I gotta say this.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm talking about, guys.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like the the people like will cut, they'll they'll leave their stupid cabin and they're in the woods for some reason.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: And like, this this is one of those characters, especially like what is why there's no goal for this character to be in the woods, and this is what I mean.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: This movie sets up a lot of contrived kills and isolation for these characters to die.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like these set pieces where like you can tell like the red directors, like directors, like, okay, in this scene, we're gonna put like you know, we're this character wandering around and Jason's gonna sneak up on them with this weapon or whatever.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it just feels very like uh doesn't feel organic to me that he just goes out of the woods.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: And also I have a note here that right after he hit the blade, Melissa is terrible.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if we have another Melissa scene here somewhere, but she's terrible.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Just note Melissa is uh uh terrible.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: But oh, one thing I wanted to say was did you notice when Dr.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz is outside and he stumbles upon Michael, did you notice that Michael's body is literally like a stone's throw from the cottages?
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: There is not only is his body stone throws from the cottage, we find later that when Tina drives away that the car was like just down the laneway.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like none of like none of it makes any sense.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_00: And also it wasn't even an attempt to conceal him.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So as Tina's mother, Buzzsaw, shows up on the scene, shows up on the scene in Dr.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz's office, she discovers his cruel plans of manipulation.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Watching a VHS tape of his experiments with her daughter.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_00: On the tape, he states that if he can keep Tina's emotions high, he can induce psychokinetic reactions.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Tina's mother confronts Dr.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz, stating you never intended to help her.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_00: He confirms he's been trying to help her, but doesn't expect her to understand this highly complicated treatment.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I ask, is Dr.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz a bad guy?
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's terrible.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's obviously, at this point, we've we now have the reveal that he knows that this is Camp Crystal Lake.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: He knows that Jason was buried here, and he knows that he Tina is gonna get him some like I don't know, credibility, uh, money, whatever.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is it give him you know glory and fame?
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's his thing.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but sometimes experiments take you gotta break a couple eggs to make like an omelette, right?
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, uh, except uh we're gonna need a scene later that show that fully solidifies that Cruz will use anyone and everyone if it means that he's gonna get out of this alive.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a juicy scene, and I can't wait to discuss it.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're stumbling upon arguably what I would consider to be my favorite scene, maybe in any film I've ever seen.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: As we return to the teen cabin, we see that Maddie has taken some time to kind of like spruce herself up, saying, Need a little touch-up work, my ass.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Really sticking it to Robin.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And Frank, where do we think that Maddie's gonna be going all dolled up like this?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for this next part, I cannot for the life of me understand, but she wanders outside and into the dark forest calling out for David.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, she has she has her dark forest pumps on.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: These pumps, of course, designed to walk through the woods.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm kidding, they're white stilettos for some reason.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think they're stilettos when they're high.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: They're not hot, they're not that high.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're pumps, they're like a classic pair of 80s pumps.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but can I ask you something?
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Why the fuck would she think David was out in the forest waiting for her when they never talked?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is what I said.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I've said it three times now at the start of this this this podcast today.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is this where their writing is showing how bad it is.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the the contrivedness of these situations these characters find themselves in.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you couldn't even give us a bit of lazy motivation.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, maybe Nick said he's gonna take a leak.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe Nick's like, I'm gonna go get some firewood.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but like there's just no motivation for Maddie to be like in the middle of the woods in the in the middle of the night, and she's all dolled up.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just like it's just ridiculous, and it's lazy.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I also think it's funny that she's like, Oh yeah, Robin, I'm gonna go to the mall to a full-on glamour shots, and I'm gonna come back and fucking show ya.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's like pissed.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: So as she ventures in search of David, Russ's body falls from the sky, nearly landing on top of her.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, did Jason throw the body from the tree?
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't mean uh maybe sure.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I actually don't care it, maybe.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: But he seems to like artistically place these bodies about it.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he does like he likes scaring the teens with the remains of the dead friends, yes.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Which I think adds another supernatural aspect to it.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: So he quickly locates Maddie hiding in a shed and dispatches her by thrusting his arms through the wall and slicing her open with a scythe, ending her career as a fashion model.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I wrote, her time being hot was short-lived.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: I seriously almost want to cut out David and Robin like all together, but I'm just gonna quickly tell you what happens to them.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Robin's kill is like I think one of my favorites.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, where are Robin and Stoner David?
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: You ask?
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're not out in the middle of the woods where Maddie thought.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're hooking up as David realizes he seeks nourishment.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: So hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, where was Maddie getting ready in her room?
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And she didn't think like to like she just left the building without like noticing there's other people.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's looking on a door.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: She probably could hear them fucking.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, nope, couldn't be them.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: David, she didn't even say she didn't even say David and Robin.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you?
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: She said David.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, she can't picture a scenario where David chose Robin.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, she can't.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that's so funny is like by her saying sept boys, I'm starting to wonder if she's all there.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just don't know.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think based on these the dialogue these characters have with each other.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I don't think many of these characters are all there.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something?
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: If I had a nickel for every time someone didn't like me and I had to go to the bathroom and clean up, I would be like a millionaire.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine I come out and I've like shaved my beard?
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Maddie.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Maddie, RAP.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_00: As David realizes he seeks nourishment after canoodling, he ventures into the kitchen for a post-coital snack.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Y'all, he gets killed.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Jason, machete in hand, proceeds to stab David right through the stomach, and here we have another unfortunate victim of our lumbering zombie.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: And we actually uh he actually kills David with a kitchen knife.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it's not a machete.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: He kills David here with an iconic kitchen knife, and it's identical to the same kind of kitchen knife that Michael Myers uses.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Where the fuck is the machete?
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's not there.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't he stabs him with a classic butcher's kitchen knife.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not a butcher's knife, but a kitchen knife, sorry.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Robin decides to search for David.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_00: However, I'm at a loss as to why.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he said he was looking for food.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_00: She does not go downstairs to the kitchen, she searches the hallway, she searches David's room, and turns to notice the sheets are stained with blood.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: And as she continues to investigate, does indeed find David, but it's only his head.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about brutal, dude.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_00: You said there were no gory kills in this movie.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Hello! I mean, that's a gory remains, it's not a gory kill.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: So back to your favorite Academy Award-winning death in this movie.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Jason appears, grabs Robin by the neck, and tosses her through the window to the ground below.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think I like this scene because it was just cool to see some genuine stunt work of someone falling through the air, like actually, as opposed to some of these other kills, which were like, you know, this there's there's some good angle cutaways.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was just cool seeing a classic stunt work in this movie.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Would she be dead though?
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like people like I've seen it myself, or people have survived four or four or five, six stories, so I don't think she would have died here.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: But you it's all about how you land, you know?
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: I like it, I like it, I like it.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So Robin and David's love story indeed does come to a crushing end.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot is happening at this point, and as an expert in Friday the 13th films, we enter the third act where basically we start to whittle down the character count.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So Tina and Nick race through the forest where they locate Michael's body.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm literally assuming this was in plain sight the entire time.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: But this also confirms to Tina that her visions were true.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_00: She confirms this is what she saw in her original vision at the teen cabin earlier in the film, and the two agree they have to get out of there.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_00: They return to the family cabin where Tina confirms Dr.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz's awareness of the metal spike stuck in the back porch and a plethora of articles citing Jason's existence at Crystal Lake.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_00: He has been gaslighting her.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to say, this is the moment, and maybe I'm giving this movie too much credit, where she really comes into like her own, she realizes she's not crazy and has agency.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this this scene really drives home like that the writing can be worth an Academy Award.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: So we also catch up with Buzzsaw and Dr.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz wandering in the woods in search of Tina.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And just as she's about to lay into Dr.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz once again, Jason appears as he's teleported into place.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if Dr.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz wasn't already a giant fucking asshole, he uses Buzzsaw as a human shield as Jason brutally punctures her from behind.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he's so cavalier about moving her body into the way.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's awful.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's a fucking prick.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's such a shitbag.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we take a moment of peace here for her hair as Dr.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz escapes.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: His escape attempts are futile, however, as Jason has garnered yet another weapon: a weed whacker.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_00: He slices into Dr.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz's stomach, violently ending Dr.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz's reign of terror.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is this is a this was a kill too.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um he kills Cruz with the uh trimmer, like this, the the chainsaw trimmer.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not chainsaw, but the buzzsaw trimmer.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not Buzzsaw the Mom, but this is like a saw that's at the end of a trimmer.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh enough words for you guys.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I just wanted this kill to be like I hate Cruz so much.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted this to be like blood spattery horror where he like he drives that trimmer into his stomach, but we get it cutaway and he's dead.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I just kind of wish that kill was more vicious, and I because I think if there's one character that deserved a vicious, like suffering death, it was uh it was Cruz.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he Cruz sort of does that porn face that you were talking about when he dies.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's like there's nothing like it's not even good acting, like no, it's not even it's not a vicious death.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think the the weapon to death ratio, like I understand if you're getting stabbed in the stomach for sure, but if you're getting like a buzz saw to the like, yeah, you're right.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think this deserved more.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just like I don't Jason a lot of times he does quickly dispatch his victims.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I just wish this was a a more suffering and and gnarly kill on this guy, especially just he just used the he just used Tina's mom as a shield.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that is where I think he solidifies.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even you know what's weird, even up until the gaslighting of Tina, I'm like, okay, well, you know, doctors have methods, you know.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm like trying to like I'm trying to like, you know, be like slightly forgiving, and then this time I'm like, no, okay, like he's just a dick.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: So when we talk of characters who deserve to die, we have Eric from Evil Dead 2013, who scores what out of 10, Andrew.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would give him like uh an eight.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I have.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have Maggie from Child's Play, who scores what, Andrew?
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know why Maggie does not deserve that high of a rating.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: I would give her like a four.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote an eight.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: What would you give Dr.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz?
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: He belongs in that 10 out of 10 category.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I I give him maybe less than Maggie.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, I give him a 10 out of 10.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's a bath.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck Dr.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we have to brace ourselves.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're really in the home stretch here.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_00: We have to brace ourselves for what's ahead.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_00: As this is where the real battle begins.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And don't forget, Andrew, Tina and Jason, up until this entire runtime, have not even met.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I actually I have a note here that I think I think Frank watched this entire movie for the showdown that begins here at the hour and 12 minute mark.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we're an hour and 12 minutes into a one hour and 28 minute runtime, and Jason and Tina have not faced off once.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And don't forget, 10 minutes of that is like packed from previous footage and credits.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Tina is alone in the forest, and after locating her deceased mother, she is confronted with the dead bodies of the teens strewn about the forest.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't have the luxury of a freak out as she's finally confronted with Jason, lying in wait to make what he thinks is another easy kill.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_00: But duel sent it.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't know who he's fucking with, folks.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so we enter the final showdown between Tina and Jason.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now, for her debut attack, and this is clearly like she went from like emotionally tossing a TV across the room to like now she's calm and focused.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I think she gives Gene Gray a run for her money.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_00: She coils tree limbs around his legs, subduing him before proceeding to electrocute him from a power line above.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's not like that.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's he bind hit her binding him with the trees, dunking him in the in the puddle, and then making the electrical cord from the power tower there.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um electrocuting him, awesome.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Not only is it awesome, but she had like to have forethought.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I wouldn't even have thought about that.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's creative.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: But Andrew, is he dead?
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is the unstoppable force of Jason, right?
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we learn quickly the electrocution didn't take.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Tina flees to the neighbor cabin for safety, where part two of their battle continues, with Jason bursting through the cabin window and lumbering toward her.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't learned his lesson yet, however.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Also, this is I I so I didn't want to catch off your your awesome little uh your dialogue there, but I will say the way he bursts to that window, this is probably one of the few times we see Jason use agility at all.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_01: He literally like runs and jumps to the window, his knees are bent, and he lands with like a good landing.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I thought it was pretty for a character that almost never is shown but hulking and lumbering towards someone, it was kind of interesting that he does this quick little maneuver to get in the house.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So if he hadn't learned his lesson yet, Andrew, she hurls an entire couch at him.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I love this because it shows like how powerful she is.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I started to think you're like maybe the practical effects here were kind of cool.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then I just gotta note this.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_01: I said it before earlier, after the couch, she there's a potted plant with the I think it's David's head, is in it.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is that or no, it's Eddie's head.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's Eddie's head that's in the pot of plant.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh Eddie's head is in the pot of plant, and I'm like, you have to see this because like she just like lifts it up and it's like slowly drifts towards Jason.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_01: He like falls over.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right, that was hilarious.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was funny.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't even remove the head.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, the head is in the pot of plant.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_00: But Andrew, is he dead?
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, she's just slowing him down.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_00: He is not.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Tina escapes the confines of the cabin and is once again confronted with Jason.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_00: But Tina, powerful as ever, and I think this is my favorite scene in the whole movie.
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, aside from the Maddie business, she drops the entire cabin porch on his head before fleeing back to her cabin and reuniting with Nick and Melissa.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, Melissa's still alive.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I also liked uh I liked once in a while Jason shows some emotion.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I like that when she drops the before she drops the roof on him, he like actually looks around with concern about what's happening around him, which I like.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought that was really yeah, that's a Really good call out.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's I don't think he expected what he's getting.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think he realizes what he's fucking with.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I just love I always love a good scene where the killer feels for the first time they're not in control.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're not this, he's not doing the walking slowly thing.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, what's happening?
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like this whole thing's collapsing around meal.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I liked it a lot.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I also think it's kind of cool.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, at this point, like what happens to him gets worse and worse and worse.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she ups the ante so much on this guy.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and you're right, he's this is the first time.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's such a good point you bring up, because this is the first time in any of these films that I've I've watched where he is become the victim.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, other people like hit him or stab him.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I totally understand that that happens, but this is a whole other level of like he is worried for his safety.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we're treated to a really cool scene here where Jason's hand erupts from beneath the porch, a la Donna the dead, and we're solidifying Jason's unbridled zombie parallels here.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So now Melissa's just fed up.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_00: As I said, she's she's still alive.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_01: This this scene here that you're about to talk about solidifies not only is the writing of this character crazy, but she is just a psychotic, like she's a psychopath.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_00: She proclaims they're nuts, and that you know what?
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's going back to bed.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, did you know that no one's home, girl?
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, this is what I don't like.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I didn't.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Another one of the reasons why this film, like, and the writing, I think it sucks once in a while.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is like, I know Melissa's super nanic and stuff, which is like crazy, but like, there's two clearly distraught characters.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: You probably Melissa probably hasn't seen anybody for a while, and she's still so flippant in her attitude.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, take this seriously, you stupid asshole.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she's so she's not used to any consequences, obviously.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know what?
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably why.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_00: She lives in her world where daddy does everything she wants.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she she literally is a delusional bit.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_00: She should see Dr.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz, but he's dead now, so yeah, even his untimely end.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Nick warns Melissa to stay with them, but defiant as ever, she opens the front door, greeting Jason as he bluntly plants an axe in her head, tosses her over the television like a sack of fucking potatoes.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I loved it.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was awesome.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is my favorite.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I keep saying this is my favorite definite movie, but what I loved about this is like he it's so irreverent.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's like this all-important rich kid, and he literally plants an axe in her head, tosses her aside because he just doesn't give a flying fuck about this bitch.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty funny because you actually hear uh maybe it's meant to be Tina, but he asks her a question and then he picks up her body and throws it behind the TV, and you hear this, like, ah just really, really funny.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, that would hurt.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_00: And where did you get the axe from?
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you can conjure weapons at will, Frank.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: We should have a whole podcast on like what his powers are because I'm starting to.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's funny?
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: In my entire life until this podcast, no joke, I've never thought of like the teleportation, the lack of breathing, the water energy.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's conjuring up different weapons.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he really is a low-key supervillain.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, he's absolutely uh he's got a plethora of powers.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Nick and Tina flee up the stairs here, but you know what?
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Tina decides not to play the victim anymore, and recognizing her inner strength, wants to fight back and goes full offensive.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_00: She smacks Jason in the head with a ceiling light, cracking it over his mask and causing him to fall back and crash through the steps to the floor below.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_00: But Andrew, is he dead?
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, he's not dead.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's not dead.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: But there's more where that came from, as Tina telekinetically squeezes Jason's mask so hard it busts right off his head, revealing a horribly disfigured Jason, and I might say waterlogged to shit.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's real gross.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Teeth and all.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's always different.
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like there's no consistency at all.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think he just gets mangled so much that that's why.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, girl, have you ever like taken a bath and like lifted your hand out of the bath and it's wrinkled?
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like this dude's been under the water for like months.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's horny.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so, man.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's horny for kills, maybe.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, okay, I'm literally just going to summarize the next few minutes.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_00: So Tina wraps a wire around his neck.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_00: She pulls him up with the wire and proceeds to drop him into the basement where she's blown an entire hole in the floorboards.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_00: She punctures Jason's body with nails before lighting him on fire and causing a gas explosion in the cabin, blowing it to smithereens.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_00: So she really fucks him up here.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love this scene.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's got the shit, she's got the shelving in the basement with all these different implements on it.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I love the effects of the nails flying into Jason.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I do I did kind of find it funny that she sprays him with the gasoline and he like keeps getting stunned by being sprayed by this jet of gasoline as opposed to dancing on her.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: But whatever, it's not a big deal.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just a little funny thing I noticed.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, fun fact here like uh Kane Hotter would go on to make cinematic history for the longest uninterrupted on-screen controlled burn in Hollywood history.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome! Yes, and it's for the scene in which Tina Shepard causes a furnace to shoot flames at Jason.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hotter was actually set on fire by an apparatus rigged so that the ignition could be captured on film.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Hotter was on fire for a full 40 seconds, a record at the time.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_00: That is terrifying.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I that you must have a lot of faith in that jelly and that suit.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: 40 seconds being on fire, man.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_00: So but it ain't over yet.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_00: So Tina and Nick escape to the dock as the cabin explodes to pieces behind them.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Just as we believe the film is coming to a close with Nick saying, Let's get out of here, Jason appears to continue his onslaught.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_00: With heightened emotions, Tina pulls her father's long-dead corpse from beneath the waters, forcing his hands around a confused Jason, and pulling him back under the water to his watery resting place.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we end with an emotionally scarred Tina being placed into an ambulance where she learns Nick is okay, and the two get carted off to the hospital.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_00: Crystal Lake can again rest temporarily as the film comes to a close.
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Quite the ending.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's wild that he was able to hold his breath that long to her father and like stay down there.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was crazy.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_00: But like that would have been for maybe roughly 15 years.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_00: The father's intact body with his sweater on.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_00: So is there anything else that you'd like to say about Friday the 13th, part seven?
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've I've ranted about it, I think, enough.
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I I think revisiting the last act there with you just now, I do see some merit in the film's final fight.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's pretty fun.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's a shame that it takes us an hour and 12 minutes to get there.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and there is a lot of just silly fodder on the way to that final battle.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: You said you said this in Evil Dead, like you couldn't really care connect with any of the characters, and I think that this is just like that to the nth degree.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, none of these characters matter to me at all, except like Tina and maybe her mom for a little bit, because I liked her mom, she's nice.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the mom was cool, yeah.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_01: I liked Nick too.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Nick was cool too.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I like Nick too.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_00: But like outside of those three, with like, and honestly, the funny thing is, is like, is Dr.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Cruz more of a villain than Jason?
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Possibly.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I he's I mean that's the g brings up the whole discussion.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, humans are usually worse than the monsters, you know, Jason will just kill you, whereas Cruz is gonna backstab you.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, join us again soon for our next feature film.