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Normally Podcast: Fauci Exposed? Florida Proven Right, RFK Jr. Fires Back & GOP Faces Max Miller Scandal · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine.
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  Speaker 3: Heyre, I'm Carol Markowitz. Hi Mary Catherine, I have missed you.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. We missed you too. We had some people
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  Speaker 2: holding down the fort, but he did great.
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  Speaker 4: Those were very good episodes. I enjoyed them very much.
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  Speaker 4: You had such a good roster, really held it down
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  Speaker 4: around here.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good time and as you know, while
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  Speaker 1: you were traveling, which I hope you were truly enjoying.
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  Speaker 2: But all this fauci news, bro that is so.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to stay away from.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I really tried to disconnect on these trips.
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  Speaker 4: I was in Israel for two weeks and I'm in
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  Speaker 4: England for a few more.
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  Speaker 3: Days with my kids.
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  Speaker 4: Like I try not to follow the news, but obviously
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  Speaker 4: I'm caught up now. But it is hard when the
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  Speaker 4: news is something you're super interested in, Like the Fauntry
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  Speaker 4: story that was like what happened?
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  Speaker 3: He really his diary. I'm picturing him like dear diary, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, like I mean, especially that's what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: And I am so great.
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  Speaker 1: People really like me here are all the reasons they
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  Speaker 1: love me number one. So it has become revealed, according
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  Speaker 1: to RFK, that he kept these on government computers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he kept notes about his days is, daily activities and
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  Speaker 1: you know, all the people who love him on his
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  Speaker 1: work computers. And when he left, he emailed them to
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  Speaker 1: himself and so they became a parent man. Through you know,
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  Speaker 1: our right to his government based computers and emails, we
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  Speaker 1: were able to have them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does not seem like the brightest person alive.
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  Speaker 4: And it's crazy because for a long.
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  Speaker 3: Time he was. He was science.
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  Speaker 4: He was the man I remember in Park Slope people had,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all those kind of holy candles.
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  Speaker 3: Made to him. And this is like, what are people saying?
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's what I missed.
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  Speaker 4: Like I caught up on the news, but what were like,
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  Speaker 4: did any libs say anything other than let's move on?
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  Speaker 2: Not really, there wasn't a ton of attention.
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  Speaker 4: I ask my friends, like text them like, oh hey, guys,
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  Speaker 4: it's up with the thatching news.
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  Speaker 2: So Stephen A.
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  Speaker 1: Smith, who I appreciate as an interesting thinker in general,
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: the ESPN sports analyst and kind of gadfly. He he
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  Speaker 1: said he wanted to apologize to Kyrie Irving because he
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: went after Kyrie Irving for not being vaccinated, and he
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  Speaker 1: now says, knowing what he knows, that that was actually
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  Speaker 1: a brave decision and he wasn't being a jerk, and
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  Speaker 1: that he's sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's that's it. I'm Stephen A.
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  Speaker 4: Smith lives in Florida, so I imagine there was some
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  Speaker 4: you know, consideration about that on his part about the lockdowns,
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  Speaker 4: because I think he moved.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he moved during lockdowns or after.
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  Speaker 4: But look, you can't really live in Florida and not
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  Speaker 4: think that DeSantis did a good job.
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  Speaker 3: Which is what we're going to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Here, is that how unbelievable is it that we have
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  Speaker 4: a system where we got to try out different methods
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  Speaker 4: of handling and Desanta's clearly had the superior method.
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  Speaker 3: People moved to Florida and droves.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I obviously did Josh Hammer, who wrote an
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  Speaker 4: amazing piece on this, and you know, the celebration of federalism.
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  Speaker 4: His syndicated column this week is called don't Forget how
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  Speaker 4: Florida defeated Faucianism and vindicated Federalism.
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  Speaker 2: That's really it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, DeSantis deserves all the accolades. But our system is
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  Speaker 4: so good for stuff like this. It let us compete
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  Speaker 4: in the free marketplace for people to choose which path
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  Speaker 4: to take, and the Florida path was the right one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look back, there is an alternate history
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  Speaker 1: here where Andrew Gillham won governor's race.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was close over.
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  Speaker 2: To Santa SU's extremely close. I think it was.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen thousand votes. Yeah, and had that happened. Gillham, who's
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  Speaker 1: a problem in many other ways. As we've worked since
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  Speaker 1: he ran. He's been caught by the police doing various
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: unsavory things in various hotel rooms. Aside from that, he
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  Speaker 1: would have done exactly what Fauci said to do. You
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  Speaker 1: needed people like Kemp and then DeSantis. Especially DeSantis has
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  Speaker 1: this thing where he's like, I'm going to do the studying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to look at the numbers, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to decide how to balance these interests. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: the Constitution's pretty important to me, and these rights are
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  Speaker 1: pretty important to me, and.
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  Speaker 2: They should be important to Floridians. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: And as a result, you know, Florida saw the largest
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  Speaker 1: annual net in migration.
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  Speaker 2: Between July twenty twenty and.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one, I saw a liberal I moved.
• 4:53
  Speaker 4: In January twenty two, just to put a fine point
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  Speaker 4: on it, because things were still insane in New York.
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  Speaker 4: My kids were still eating lunch on the ground, on
• 5:03
  Speaker 4: the cold ground outside, having to mask up in between bites.
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  Speaker 4: So I know, people, you know that's the era to
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, but it was ongoing into twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing that I always like to say is
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  Speaker 4: that Randy Wingarden wanted schools closed for school.
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  Speaker 3: Year twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty one is one more year, and that's, you know, bananas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually looking back on the clip that I
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  Speaker 1: was on CNN in summer of twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 1: I was out of town, enjoying myself because we did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that during the COVID years, and I
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: was when I thought back on that clip in which
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  Speaker 1: I made everybody very uncomfortable by saying that I felt
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  Speaker 1: she obviously lies. When I was thinking back on it,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was probably summer of twenty twenty. I
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  Speaker 1: was off doing my thing, and I remember like feeling
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  Speaker 1: social pressure about how I was going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this and the fact that I was somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: It was twenty twenty one, it was more than a year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, after this had been gun and I still was
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: in that mindset to some degree. It's crazy how long
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  Speaker 1: it lasted. James Sorowiki Is that how I say his name? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the other day to somebody about Fauci, Like, look, it's
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  Speaker 1: nonsense about people not liking COVID era policies. Look at
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  Speaker 1: all these blue states where people still give the governors
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  Speaker 1: great ratings, and it's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The people who stayed, Yeah, yeah, the people who stayed.
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  Speaker 2: You lost people.
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  Speaker 1: And the people who stayed were the ones who felt
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  Speaker 1: like the governor had the right to tell them not
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  Speaker 1: to go shopping for garden seeds.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and they wanted some people wanted more of that.
• 6:38
  Speaker 4: Some people wanted masking to go on. It just it's
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  Speaker 4: crazy that they don't see that population loss is going
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  Speaker 4: to cost New York and California congressional seats in the
• 6:49
  Speaker 4: next census. It's not nothing. It's it's a meaningful number
• 6:52
  Speaker 4: who left and were not replaced. And I get that
• 6:55
  Speaker 4: that's part of the you know, legal immigration consideration that
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  Speaker 4: they could replace part of their population with some number
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  Speaker 4: of legal immigrants, they can keep congressional seats.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be tough to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also they have to live in California too.
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  Speaker 1: Where you're doing, they.
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  Speaker 2: May not love it.
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  Speaker 1: So a place that did discuss it was Dana Bash's
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  Speaker 1: show on CNN where she had RFK on Yeah, partly
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: she argued with him about vaccines and vaccine hesitancy. I
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  Speaker 1: thought this clip was interesting because it talks about that
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  Speaker 1: balance that Dessanta is struck between constitutional rights and a
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  Speaker 1: public health crisis.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll just listen to it. We can give feedback.
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  Speaker 5: We need to protect our constitutional rights. That's that is
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  Speaker 5: the primary obligation.
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  Speaker 6: What does that make Sue?
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  Speaker 5: Well, during COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights. We
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  Speaker 5: began censoring people and violation.
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  Speaker 6: But you're saying what not to do? I'm asking what
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  Speaker 6: to do, But but I want to talk about that.
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  Speaker 5: Something to do. So that is the number one priority.
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  Speaker 5: We protect the content institution. The constitution was give me.
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  Speaker 6: But you're just you're talking about rights and I'm asking
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  Speaker 6: about a potential public health crisis that is that is coming.
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  Speaker 6: But I do want to let's.
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  Speaker 5: And one of the best stakes we made in the
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  Speaker 5: last time. I was suppressing those right, so people weren't being heard,
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  Speaker 5: doctors who were saying you're doing it wrong, for being
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  Speaker 5: marginalized and vilified.
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  Speaker 6: Because because again I really want to move on, but yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you were saying you are because part of the problem, no,
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: It was absolute press malpractice. You weren't allowing yours.
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  Speaker 2: Your secretary, your job.
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  Speaker 5: Your job is a fear of skepticism authority, and you
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  Speaker 5: weren't doing that.
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  Speaker 6: You am My job is no. Okay, are you going
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  Speaker 6: to you want to sit here and attack me or
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  Speaker 6: do you want to have conversations. I'm not attacking you.
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  Speaker 6: I'm asking questions about how to pet the next question,
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  Speaker 6: and I'll tell you that's what I'm trying to do.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting because I, you know, I have mixed feelings
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  Speaker 4: that are of k I like some stuff, I don't
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  Speaker 4: like other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's, you know, a little.
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  Speaker 4: Kookie, but I love that he is taking that First
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  Speaker 4: Amendment stance. And what I often don't like about him
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  Speaker 4: is that I think of him as kind of a
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  Speaker 4: lib and the fact that he's like, no, we have
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  Speaker 4: to preserve the First Amendment at all costs, Like it
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter what the crisis is, you don't get to
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  Speaker 4: suspend it just because you're real scared. And she's saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to talk about that. I want to
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  Speaker 4: talk about, you know, a.
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  Speaker 3: Possible health scare.
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  Speaker 4: And he's saying, no, we made a mistake that time,
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  Speaker 4: and we can't make that mistake again.
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  Speaker 3: And of course he talks about freedom of.
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  Speaker 4: Speech, and that was obviously affected to such a large,
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  Speaker 4: you know, extent. But what about freedom of religion. They
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: wouldn't let people practice their faith. And the fact that
• 9:55
  Speaker 4: that went on for as long as it did, and
• 9:56
  Speaker 4: there weren't people on TV saying this is a major
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  Speaker 4: First Amendment violation. There weren't the Dane of ashes on
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  Speaker 4: there worried about it, not even to get into other,
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: you know, other things that were shut down for way
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: too long and which we all suffered, and that there
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: was a cost to it. And now we find out
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: that Fauchi knew all along that it was a bad flu,
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: that it was the numbers of a bad flu, and
• 10:23
  Speaker 4: he and.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: His numbers, his numbers that he said in private were
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: the ones that Jay Abouditaria was positing in public and
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: getting canceled for right, they were the same lower threshold
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: numbers that we were all you know, told was a
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Right that moment where she says, I'm you're
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: talking about rights and I'm talking about a public health
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: crisis emergency. Yeah, that is a tell my friends that
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: none of them have figured out, learned anything. None of
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: them will give Stephens some credit, but almost no one
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: in the media who pushed this has realized, oh.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: These things must exist together.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about it is the no King's
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: crowd simply wanted Trump to be a king, and I
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: have issues with the way that he handled it by
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: letting Fauci do too much. They're like, he should have
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: been an authoritarian. But in fact, these all these liberties
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: may coexist and need to be curtailed in the smallest
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: ways possible, which is what DeSantis decided.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's again, it's not it's not even just
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  Speaker 2: the major ones.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, Like the ability to gather people
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: in your backyard is a freedom the Americans don't need
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: to beg for, right, right.
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: Right, Let's talk about Jay Bodicharia for a minute, because
• 11:47
  Speaker 4: there was a guy who got it all right, and
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: he was treated as if he was this fringe lunatic.
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: And I mean, look, he's had obviously great success since then.
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: He's in the Trump administration and he's just a wonderful
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: He's director of the NIH, and he basically has been
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: exonerated on all of this.
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  Speaker 3: But he is a guy that was portrayed as a
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: crazy person.
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: And he was so right on all of it. I
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: love that he's in a position of authority now. I
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: think that that's like some of the stuff that I
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: love best about the Trump administration is that they did
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: stuff like this, that they put Jay Bicharia at the
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: top of the NIH saying this is a serious guy.
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: Looking at his education, I mean all Stanford University. I
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: think that's a pretty good school. Last I heard, it
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: wasn't It wasn't before COVID.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't considered a kook.
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: And then somehow he became a crazy person who believed
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  Speaker 4: all the stuff that turned out to be completely true.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: True, and that Fasci was to some extent saying behind
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: the scenes and yeah, to me, Boucharia is the is
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the trade off with RFK who like you I think
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: he's wrong sometimes, I think he's skooky sometimes, although when
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: he has these conversations with her with Dana bashing, this
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: was a twenty minute interview, so good on her for
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: going back and forth for twenty minutes. At one point,
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: she says in reference to measles cases, but then getting
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: into a conversation aboutvaccine hesitancy, she says, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to debate this with you, and he says, I know
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: that this is the problem with you guys. Now I
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: disagree with him, means vaccines in many areas, but the point,
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: some of the points he was making are correct. For instance,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: that Canada's measles rate is out of control. Did he
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: cause that? Like it that you trying depend this on
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  Speaker 1: me is not exactly as causal as you take it
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  Speaker 1: to be, and we are therefore not dealing with the
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: actual cause of it. So he's going back and forth
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  Speaker 1: about that, and he also yells, yells at the press,
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  Speaker 1: saying you scared people like that was your whole function,
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't deal with actual facts. And so it
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: was an interesting back and forth, and I think revealing.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I'm angrier at the press, I think than anything,
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  Speaker 4: I'm angrier than I am at Fauci. Fauci is a
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  Speaker 4: liar and a bad person. They were there to make
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  Speaker 4: sure we didn't find out the truth. And it's scary
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  Speaker 4: to look back. And you know, I've mentioned this before,
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  Speaker 4: but I had liberal media members in my DMS being like,
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  Speaker 4: I love what you're saying on schools, and I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 4: why aren't you saying it on schools if you love
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying on schools?
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  Speaker 3: And they couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: They had it was obviously the era, the era of
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: compliance and the era of twenty twenty, where you had
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: to say the words and you had to post the
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: square and you had to say everything the way that
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: they wanted you to say it. But them all not
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  Speaker 4: being brave is what led us to a bad place
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  Speaker 4: as a country. And the fact that they haven't learned
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: any lessons is so because what I wanted to go
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: back to about the media is I used to think
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: that Fauci was just inept. I thought this guy is
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: bad at his job. He does not make sense. He's
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: constantly contradicting himself. He'll go on TV one day and
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: say one thing, and the next day he'll stand another thing.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: The science quote unquote did not change in that time.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: So I was like, he's doing a terrible job of
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: explaining what the positions are. I was willing to listen
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: to him, and then I realized nobody was asking him
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: follow up questions. There were no at all information to
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: be gleaned from his appearances other than this is an
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: amazing man. We all should follow everything he says, even
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: if he says a lot of different things. And that's
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: why I think the media is my top villain for COVID,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: even despite Fauci pouting himself as a real key villain
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he says, he says to her, your job
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: is and he asked her at one point, is your
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: job to tell the truth or is it to fight
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Those are two different things.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he also he also says, like you're you're
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: supposed to be critical and skeptical of people in power,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: and she says, I am.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is she is now.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's only skeptical when it's him, when it's Republican.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: The way he doesn't mine he's there to go back
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: and forth with her for twenty minutes, but woof, it's
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: just such a mess, such a mess.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I looked about COVID Mary Catherine us. We were right
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  Speaker 3: about that, We were right.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I looked back at a Ted copple or interview that
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I had talked about in twenty twenty one where he
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: had a you know, soft focus. I think he was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: wearing a turtleneck. It was very super villainy black turtleneck.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: And one of the questions he asked him just to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: give you a taste of the interview, and this is
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: what it was like that whole time. He says, when
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you see the thank you doctor Fauci signs, does that
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: shelter you a bit? The thank you doctor Fauci signs
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: in the very liberal neighborhood he lives in. Yeah, that
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: was the critical question that he needed to open with
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: in that discussion, and he didn't.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get better from.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: There, no other than maybe ask Biden his ice cream flavor. Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: It's like you have a shot at asking an important
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: question to an important person at an important time, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: you waste it on that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah problem.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna just say we're still mad, bro,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: But this has been vindicating and a good moment for
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the same side, and we hope that people take a
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: lesson to be skeptical, be critical, don't follow the herd.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: It's okay to disagree even if you're politically aligned with people.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: And I feel like we're gonna have a lot of
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: opportunities to do that in the future. So join us,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: join us here at normally. In doing that, we're going
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to take a short break and be right back with
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: more on normally.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back on normally with a growing
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: story that's sort of it was sort of bubbling under
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the surface, but I couldn't figure out how much evidence
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: there was or what's going on for a while.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And now it's come more fully into the public eye.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And this is the story of Republican Representative Max Miller,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: who was married to Senator of Ohio Bernie Moreno's daughter.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So he's the son in law of a senator, and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: he was accused during their divorce and custody battle of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: abusing both her and possibly their.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Two year old daughter as well.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And I had seen a little bit about the court stuff,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how much it was rumors and not.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And now he's come Miller himself has come out on
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a straight to camera denial of this, while Bernie Moreno
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: who people were saying, you probably need to talk about
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this because these are pretty serious allegations. He finally came
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: out with a public statement about it, saying, Yeah, this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: guy's a bad dude. He should not serve in the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: House of Representatives. But of course, the larger political picture
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: beyond the abuse, just like they had the trying to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: figure out what to do in Maine with Platner, is
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that the number the house are getting.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And so let's hear first, I guess a little bit
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: about a little bit from Miller on his denial of this.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: His wife claims, among other things, that he his ex wife,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that he scalded her with hot water, that he like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: tossed water in her direction, that he may have broken
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the collarbone of his daughter. Again, I don't know beyond
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the allegation, but I and that he pushed her.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But I also know that another.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Woman had accused him of abuse in the past, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that is Stephanie Grisham, who was a former White House
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Press secretary.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't realize it was Stephanie Grisham.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, she didn't name him in her memoir, but people
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: put it together that this was him, and he sued
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: her for defamation over that charge, but also claimed that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: he pushed her and got violent with her. So here
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: is Miller now responding, and it's a little bit of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a long click, but we'll let him go through it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: My former wife has claimed that during a custody exchange
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: at my home that day, I assaulted her. Here's what
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: actually happened, and I have the ring doorbell footage that
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: backs it up. She came to my home in a
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: good mood, and we have text messages to prove it,
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: which you'll have to pick up our daughter early for
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: our friend's birthday party. She was inside my house for
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: several minutes when she left. The video shows her walking
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: out carrying our daughter, calm, in the same good mood,
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: showing no distress whatsoever.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And as they.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: Left, you can hear me say goodbye, I love you
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: and I love you Ruthie, literally telling my ex wife
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: that I still cared for her. Does that sound like
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: somebody who would just walk out and who had been
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: violently thrown a wall and been abused. She didn't call
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: the police after that, She didn't go to the hospital.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, do you want to know what she did?
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: She went straight to child's birthday party. The very next day,
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: we had a friendly phone call about our daughter's upcoming
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: hospital procedure, and I drove in from Washington to be
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: there for it. Six days later, she offered a cook
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: empinadus for me for dinner. Just two days later after
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: this alleged incident. The day after that, she invited me
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: and my girlfriend and which you'll have in text messages,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: to join her and our daughter at a playground. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: that day I just went with my former wife to
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: the playground to spend time with our daughter. A week later,
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: on February fifteenth, she wrote to me in her own
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: words which you will see, I think it's great you
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: and I are in a friendlier place. She then offered
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: me more extra overnights with our daughter, which I can
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: proved every single one of you is recently. Every one
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: of these messages is timestamped on our court sanctioned co
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: pairent app and is all in the packet. Only weeks
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: later did the story of February first assaulted Pierre. So
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: ask yourself if I had assaulted her, would she had
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: offered to cook me dinner six days later? Would she
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: have invited me to spend an afternoon at the playground
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: with her and our daughter? Would she have written that
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: we were in a friendlier place. No, she wouldn't have
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: ladies and gentlemen.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like the ladies and gentlemen at all
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: around the jury.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: That stuck out to me too.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Are you what are you some show voting lawyer during
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: your closing statement? Yea, yeah, So, first of all, the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: allegations are very serious, so don't be saying no ladies
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It's it's a it's very.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Like overly confident and flippant how he's dealing with it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: This is a very bad situation.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is a terrible, terrible situation.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And I have to say that when he says, would
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: she offer to cook me dinner? I'm like, yeah, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: heard about many victims of domestic abuse who try to
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: cater to their abuser and try to calm him down
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: and try to make him friendlier towards them and try
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: to make the abuse stop. So obviously this is I
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: understand his defense of himself and I get, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: why he's doing it. But if he has evidence like
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: he claims to have in that video, now is the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: time to release that because the words that he is
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: saying does not make him seem like he's all on
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: the clear. It's you know, it doesn't do that for
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: me at all.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole vibe doesn't do it for me. Finding
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: out that there are two women who accuse him would
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: seem to suggest if he's merely unlucky in encountering women
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: who are fossely accusing him. He's done it twice, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: one of them is the daughter. If you want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: play the game the Left played about Plattner's accusers, one
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of them is the daughter of a Republican senator and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: another was a Trump administration official as well.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: So this is not.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: A and Morino, for his part, says that it's been
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: horrific to watch this play out, and he has gotten
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: blowback for not being public about this.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I don't quite get that, but we'll come back to
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: that in a minute.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Well, then, he says, as he has admitted privately, this
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: isn't a tweet. Max Miller needs serious psychological help. He
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: has a danger to my daughter, and I hold my
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: breath every minute he has custody of my granddaughter. If
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: there are any basic standards of character required to hoold
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: elected office, max Miller fails them. He should not serve
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives. I believe Max Miller needs
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to seek professional help to end the clear pattern of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: abuse he is left in his wake.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I believe he should not.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Be free to continue in endangering others until he does.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And that that point you made, Carol. I also thought
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that the second he said, would she come over to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: make dinner as a guess, yes.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: She would.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Why not, right, That's that's what you do to if
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you're in a cycle of abuse.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: She would seek to.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Quell his anger. That's right, say, oh, he loves and panados,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: let me take care of.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: That, and she like, let's have dinner with your girlfriend.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: She must be stuck in this dynamic with him because
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: she's co parenting and in a custody case, so she
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: has to go back and forth with him. So she's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: trying to if she were being abused, she's trying to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: get that anger down as low as she can get it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I don't understand the criticism of Marino for not commenting
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: on this before. I think that if you know, you're
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: in a terrible situation when your daughter is going through
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: an ugly, ugly divorce with somebody who's also in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: public eye. I don't see why it should be on
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: him to comment on it. Obviously he's on his daughter's side.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Obviously he thinks that anybody accused of abusing.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: His daughter is in the wrong. I don't know what
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: else he needed to stay here.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And I looked at the comments on his posts, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: they're very just aggressive towards him, like why did you
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: wait so long? How how could you do this? I
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: just don't understand why that would be. Maybe I'm just
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: on a vacation high, you know, Yeah, maybe maybe I
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: forgot how the internet works.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think the argument is it's his duty, because he's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: part of, you know, the Congress as well, to tell
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: party this guy's bad news, you have to get rid
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of him. He also may very well have been acting
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: on his daughter's behalf in these court proceedings.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Right, Maybe he's in private saying things. Why does it
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: have to.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Be a public statement like this?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: You know? The plan Your comparison is an interesting one
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: because here we are two conservative women. I mean, we
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: haven't said it yet, but I think Miller needs to
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: resign or be kicked out. That's just I'm sorry to
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: domestic violence accusations is quite a bit, quite a few,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and yeah, it sucks that accusations are all it takes,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: but these accusations sound pretty.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Real, and I don't know that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: We can continue to have someone like this in Congress
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: on their publican side.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And Grisham apparently talked to other friends contemporaneously about this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: treatment of her before she wrote that book. Yeah, he
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: says he's not going, so we'll see what happens. There's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: apparently a Wednesday. This is again weirdly analogous to Platner,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and that there is a Wednesday deadline to get rid
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of this guy from this congressional race, where you can
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: replace him with someone else, and I would suggest probably
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that is the correct move.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: What's amazing, and this is obviously a complete side story
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: to this terrible story, but that the parties have so
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: little power to force people out anymore. It's become just
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: anybody's ballgame.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: They used to be.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: You know, some people would get together and be like
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: they have to go, and that would be it. I mean,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: not even that long ago. On the Democratic side, I thought,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you know when twenty twenty when they forced Bernie Sanders
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: out of the primary, basically they all united to support Biden.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It was so out in the open. And now it's like, no,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not resigning. I don't answer to a party. It's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: kind of amazing to watch the.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, although maybe the Supreme Court ruling that gives parties
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: more spending power will change the balance as ways in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the future.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: So we will keep you updated on that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Also, I would note on the House front, Kay Granger,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: who is a Republican House member from Texas. She was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: one of these who disappeared for a while and people
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out why. She was in an assisted living
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: home and she died this week and very sad for
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: her family.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Prayers for them.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: She was eighty three years old. She was the first
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: woman Republican to serve from Texas. But again, we got
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to be forthcoming about what's going on when we're supposed
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to be representing people. And this is yet another change
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in the House situation where I'm not exactly sure what.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Happens right this second with that seat. So we will
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: keep you updated. But those House numbers that Margins getting.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Doing this isn't house.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: But today, August third is the deadline for Mitch McConnell
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to have you know, stepped down to have a special
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: election or some you know, God forbid, something happened to him,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: and so he's still he's still in the Senate. They're
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: going to have a regular election in November. No special
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: election we talked about on the show. I don't think
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: it would have changed anything anyway much to you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the people who are conspiracy theorizing dismay. But it is
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: interesting that he made it to August third. It's it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: going to be just a general election in November. We
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: gonna stop doing this. It's it's not good for anybody.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It's really not. It's not it's not good for your
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: constituents who should know what's happening and be served here.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: All right, We're going to take a short break and
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: be right back with more on Normally. We are back
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: on Normally where Sam Altman, who is CEO of open Ai,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: which is chat cheep bets, he had this really unpleasant
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: tweet that got a lot of attention. He said, cool
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: use case of chat GPT work I heard last night.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Connect your family calendars and explain your kid's interests every
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: morning for the drive to school. Have it make a
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: podcast it talks about one kid's soccer game that afternoon,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: one kid's upcoming birthday, some news, et cetera.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And everyone is.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Like, are you trying to say, don't talk to your
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: kids and just have chat GPT? Do it? And you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: every parent is like, yeah, there are times you don't
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: want to talk to your kids. There are times you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: tired or all talked out or whatever. Not replacing my
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: conversations with them with chat GPT. Let's just listen to
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: music and silence.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, it does seem odd like there's plenty of podcasts
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I listened to with my kids and wouldn't choose a podcast.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: About our calendar.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, how is soccer game going?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, the thing is that I think a
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: lot of these AI guys don't understand is that we
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: want AI to make our lives easier, but not to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: replace our lives, and not to replace our interactions, not
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: to replace conversations.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I think if you use it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: For kind of what I consider good uses, it can
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: do a lot for you. Can give you more time
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: to talk to your kids.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It should not.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: You should not use the time to avoid talking to
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: your kids and then use, you know, use it to work.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to like that my meal planning time
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: so I can make real hang out with my family.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my that's my strategy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Right, And you know, the pushback to it was so
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: universal that I I have hope for the future. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: think that people get that you shouldn't have an AI girlfriend,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't have AI talk to your kids for you.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: It shouldn't be a social dynamic that you have with
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: your chat gupte. It should be used for tasks and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: services and things like that and not for human connection.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: And that was that was, you know, a positive thing
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to see after the multiple New York Times stories about
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: how people are dating their AIS or they're using their
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: area as a therapist or any of that. I think
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: it's all dark and we shouldn't go down that road.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And it was encouraging to see that so many people
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: agree with that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can get tools to be a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: better parent. You can get tools to be a better
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: employee so that you can then have more time to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: be a better parent. Watching a clip yesterday that echoes
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: some of this where I think it was doctor Amen
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: actually who I enjoy who said the best piece of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: parenting advice he gives all parents is to spend twenty
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: minutes with your kid a day doing talking about something
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the kid wants to talk about. And so don't make
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that a podcast because they want that attention from you.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Now, if you were say that meme, it's like the
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: kids like did you ever have a dream? That?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Like, did you ever have.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Like a dream?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: And then you know they're not getting anywhere. You missed
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: those moments. When they're gone, you just all the time
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: that your kids are going to tell you circular stories
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that don't go anywhere, like it doesn't last that long.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Just enjoyed in the moment.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which I was driving with this is relevant
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to some of your travels. I read Wuthering Heights again,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hated it when I was a teenager. Still don't like
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: any of the characters, although I enjoyed the book more
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and I was telling my kids about it, and someone again,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: this is the conversation we were having.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: They're like, why'd you read it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I wanted to see if I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: still hated it. And then one of my daughters is
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: asking who it's by, and my older daughter goes, Emily Bronte,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: let me tell you all about all three of them
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and where they lived and what they did, and that I.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Didn't know she knew that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That was a conversation we then had before we went
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to Henrykis, Virginia, which is a colonial village.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Because that's the kind of family we are.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I love it where.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Pocahontas was kept and instructed about the Bible for nine months.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And we walked in and my oldest child goes, it's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: giving Jamestown.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: You want to have those interactions, Yeah, AI can have
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: them for you.
• 34:09
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