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• 0:04
  Public sentiment on the Middle East war has Americans divide, but also largely against the conflict.
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  Regime change, nation building, American democracy.
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  Are all the reasons Americans have turned out foreign conflicts and strongly favor an America first agenda?
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  Can President Trump thread the needle by keeping the conflict short, claiming victory, and returning it aggressively to the economy at home.
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  We'll put a spotlight on the real world terrorist threats that are linked to the Biden era border crisis.
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  Will the Iran war result in sleeper cells and lone wolf terrorist attacks back here at home?
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  Major Fred Galvin, former immigration judge Andrew Author, and geopolitical analyst Brandon Whitehart, and an explosive talk that represents the divide in America.
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  Viewpoint this Sunday is next to the time to put away the bias, the lies and deceit and bring forth real talk from real people about real news, providing the out loud truth and capturing the essence of a new generation, all in a fast-paced hour.
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  This is Viewpoint This Sunday.
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  Welcome to the weekend news magazine.
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  It is Malcolm Al-Lau here.
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  Everybody's got an opinion about what is happening, of course, in the Middle East.
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  And as they should.
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  That's what it's supposed to be.
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  That's how we are.
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  We we are uh a diverse nation with diverse thoughts.
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  The polls are interesting.
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  And you know, let me just share a couple with you up front before we bring on the team here and talk about this.
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  It's going to be an interesting broadcast today, because I think you'll get a good swath of opinions on where America sits.
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  Because they're div people are divided on this.
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  Let's let's be real clear.
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  And I many of you may know that.
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  I mean, people try to convince themselves that their opinion is the only opinion, and that you should fall in line, but that's just not the way it is, friends.
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  So I'm here to state the obvious or should be obvious to everybody here.
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  Uh but some of the polls, NPR.
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  A majority of Americans oppose the U.S.
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  military action in Iran, according to the latest NPR, uh PBS news Ameris poll there by a 56, 44 percent margin.
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  Uh they oppose the military action, just 36 percent to prove of how Trump is handling Iran, and a majority, 55% think Iran either represents a minor threat or no threat at all to the United States.
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  Uh very interesting.
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  The Hill poll shows deep public skepticism of Trump's case on Iran.
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  Democrats 86%, independent, 61%, and Republicans 84%.
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  Again, uh your ideology.
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  It all lines up with ideology in this particular one here, but that was with the uh the hill there.
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  Uh a Reuters poll uh found that uh only 27% of surveyed Americans approve of the U.S.
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  actions against Iran while 43% disapprove, 29%, yeah, they really weren't sure.
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  A CNN poll, uh CNN uh SSRS poll, which does not include a not sure option, they say, found 41% of respondents approve of the decision to take military action, 59% disapprove.
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  And uh and uh in an economist Ugov poll, always interesting, uh received here shows that uh the use of military force to overthrow the government of Iran at 32 percent and opposition of 45 percent.
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  Now, joined us on the broadcast.
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  It's a 27-year veteran of the Marine Corps, Major Fred Galvin is here.
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  Uh, he made history of the Marine Corps, first special operations task force uh commander, uh leading elite warriors into combat in Afghanistan.
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  Uh Fred's book, I want to get that in there a few bad men, the true story of U.S.
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  Marines ambushed in Afghanistan and portrayed in America.
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  And all the books from all of our esteemed uh writers and host here are in the America Outloud bookstore.
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  Uh just go peruse that and check them out, please.
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  And then Andrew Author is here.
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  He's a former immigration judge and now the resident fellow in law and policy for the Center for Immigration Studies.
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  Of course, CIS, you should all know, is a um Washington, D.C.
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  based research institute and uh really all immigration.
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  Uh art has a great history in DC, has worked uh throughout Congress, has uh really has his uh footprints throughout that, and it's just that which we shared last time he was on the broadcast.
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  It's a great uh backdrop uh to his career.
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  Uh and then join us as well.
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  Brandon Wyert is here.
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  It's a geopolitical analyst.
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  And uh Brandon is is uh is uh what I consider a big thinker because he thinks outside the lines a little bit, and he he's been very outspoken about his views in a very interesting way.
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  Uh that uh I enjoy seeing and uh brings a great perspective.
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  He's also the senior national security editor at 1945.com.
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  Uh he's host of by the way, uh uh Brandon and uh Fred are both on the National Security Hour, uh, which is the program I tell you, don't miss that 8 p.m.
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  Eastern time, Monday through Friday.
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  You'll get a great uh sense of uh of uh voices on that broadcast.
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  8 p.m., the national security hour, Monday through Friday on the network here, friends.
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  Okay.
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  Let's talk about public sentiment uh on the Middle East war.
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  And uh let uh just open it up here at 30,000 feet with each of you, please, and uh talk about some of the polls I just put out there and the division within all of this.
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  Uh Brandon, let me start with you, please on this here.
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  What surprises do you see, if any, out of those polls, and what is your sense, not so much your personal opinion right now, but what's your sense about where Americans are in this division of the Middle East?
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  Well, I think that most Americans um were somewhat ambivalent, but the longer it goes on, the more that President Trump will lose.
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  Uh, I've been sort of joking, losing the mandate of heaven.
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  Um, and that is only really because of two things.
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  The potential of, you know, American troops possibly being killed, losing, you know, military whatever, um, that will affect people's public opinion, but furthermore, the gas prices.
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  And as those gas prices continue to spike, we've seen the largest spike in gas prices, I think, in several years.
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  Yeah, 40 percent spike.
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  It might even be ever, might even be ever, I think.
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  It might be.
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  It might be.
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  It's certainly, I'll put it this way.
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  I know this for a fact.
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  Uh the gas prices today are far higher than they were the day that Trump was sworn in for the second time, which is not good as you're going into a midterm election, and the president is sitting around talking about how, well, it doesn't really matter, the gas prices don't really matter.
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  I don't care.
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  So people do care, especially because we're going into the summer months, right, Malcolm?
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  That's when everybody likes to travel.
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  And this war is not going to be over uh by then.
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  And uh, you know, they may stop the bombardment and whatever, they may shift to a special forces, you know, whatever.
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  But the point is is that the effects on the economy are going to be felt well into November, uh, the the time we're all going to be voting.
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  All right.
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  And the a lot of the points you just bring up, Brandon, and art let me bring in here Art on this, uh, please.
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  Um, you know, uh these uh like uh Brandon saying, you know, the prices, the economy, gas prices, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Now, I wonder this, Art, and I know this is gonna maybe come across like I'm being a smart guy here, but uh, and I hear what is just been said, and it's uh it's accurate information.
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  But I wonder what those public sentiments are, Art, if uh Iran had attacked, if something had happened, if something if that other shoe had dropped, would we so much be worried about a gas price then, or would be worried about the carnage or the damage that Iran had done if we believe Iran is a bad player, and we'll get more into that later here.
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  You know what I'm asking?
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  Yeah, no, I understand exactly what you're asking, and you know, I think that uh Fred and Brandon, you know, may agree with this statement, may not, but Iran's been at war with the United States for the last 47 years between uh 2014 and 2021, border patrol agents at the Southwest border apprehended in total, 130 Iranian nationals, almost exclusively military agents.
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  In just three years between Fenty Twenty Two and 24, 1,460 Iranian nationals were apprehended, and we have no idea how many uh Iranian nationals uh were in the two million who managed to evade border patrol apprehension and make their way into the United States.
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  Let me jump in.
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  If you were to guess right this moment, just a guess based on all don't tell us all the because you have a lot of numbers in your head, a lot of breakdown, but if you were to guess, what what does that roughly look like approximately of uh uh people from that part of the world in our country?
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  What uh what what does it look like, that number?
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  I would guess that we probably have about 5,000 unaccounted Iranian nationals uh who came into the United States under the Biden administration and who are now burrowed in uh just last year, DHS issued a warning, you know, to uh law enforcement agencies across the United States to be concerned about Iranian sleeper cells in this country.
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  So this is a real uh threat to the American people.
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  One, they probably don't even know that uh, you know, is out there uh
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  Uh potentially with the potential to harm that provoking the uh the enemy, uh if that's what this was, uh and everybody has a view on it, I get it, but are we at more risk right now, Major, with uh at home here because of in your opinion and estimatization because uh we are now uh battling with Iran in the Middle East.
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  Does that put us more at risk here at home?
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  It definitely does, in my opinion.
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  Yeah, and I believe a lot of the intelligence community reports that have came out stating what uh is estimated as far as not just Iranian sympathetic um illegal immigrants coming across our border, but uh that there's actually al-Qaeda uh possibly up to uh an over a thousand Al Qaeda personnel here and and who knows from what other countries uh it's we've seen uh ice picking up uh people of Chinese background, and and those could be just people looking for a better life.
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  We don't know the division of that.
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  You're exactly right how many of that.
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  So if we're really at risk right now, uh do you suspect we'll get through this chapter?
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  I mean, do you have any what's your gut tell you?
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  Or do are you like other people are in my ear right now, Major, telling me that wow, uh they suspect that it's just a matter of days, hours, something before some of these cats as art was just describing, go off and create uh some real havoc here at home.
• 11:25
  What what's your guts feeling on that?
• 11:27
  Members of Congress like Hakeem Jeffries go out there and continue to stir the pot and tell people this is an illegal war, and there's all this rhetoric, that uh fuels the fire, and that's literally something that just like art had mentioned, you know, there's massive chronology, and you look at the tail of the tape of what Iran has done in the Iranian sponsors in Iran, like you mentioned with the embassy and the the brutal um conduct that they've done against some of our officials, but they've kidnapped they and their proxies have kidnapped Americans on their own soil, foreign, they've assassinated people, and they were attempting to assassinate our president.
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  So when you say, you know, why are we doing this in Iran?
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  Well, at some point in your life, just like they taught us in the as a young infantry officer, once you back somebody into a corner, they're going to fight.
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  And I uh I've heard all this rhetoric because I have to listen to the omnichannel media out there, and there's a lot of people that are just I think punched drunk and saying this was unprovoked what we did to Iran.
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  It's like right, right.
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  Excuse me.
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  So there's a lot of information.
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  Well, hold on now, because uh over those 47 years, Fred, a lot of people uh don't recognize or a lot of dots have not been connected about the Americans' lives that have been lost.
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  Uh there are so many it's it's uh it's a checklist.
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  I mean, and and I don't want to get into the checklist, but it's a long checklist of things here.
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  What's the summation of that number?
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  I seen some reports that were uh uh like more than four digits.
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  What what is the what what any idea what that number is?
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  Very good question.
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  And in the last administration, I I don't have the total tail of the tape, but I will say this.
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  When 7 October happened, what did America do to deserve aggression from Iranian back proxies?
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  I would submit nothing as far as official acts, but we saw, and there used to be this iCasualty.org as far as how many Americans were killed or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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  That in the Biden administration is gone.
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  And I always ask the listeners, check my math.
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  So there was one Military Times Freedom of Information Act request that was came out with a report of 168 attacks on U.S.
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  forces just in the Middle East.
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  So those are ships at sea, those are attacks by Iranian backed militias in our people.
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  We've lost a lot.
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  Yes, yeah, but that's being covered up.
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  So well, that why is that?
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  Hold on, why is that being covered up?
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  Well, because I don't hear a lot about that.
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  Why?
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  Well, it's no longer anymore.
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  And I'm sad, very I mean, these are people that are overseas fighting when you hear about these six.
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  The President Trump's administration is very transparent, but we did not have that during the Biden administration.
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  I think that was intentional, obviously.
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  I mean, they had to do a freedom of information act request for what we used to be able to see on these websites.
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  Uh and some people could say, well, that's we don't want to let the enemy know how effective some of their attacks were.
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  But um the bigger point, Malcolm, is our forces, they didn't do anything offensive.
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  Well, we're the enemy, though.
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  It doesn't, I don't think that even matters.
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  I'm sorry.
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  I don't think it matters.
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  So we're the enemy, and we're gonna be the enemy, you know.
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  In in that narrative that you just said right there, Malcolm, that is what needs to the people who think that this was unprovoked in this unjust war.
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  Uh, we have been getting uh hundreds of attacks.
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  So let me get let me get over to Brandon on that point now.
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  So, Brandon, what about that, please?
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  The fact that uh the it's uh it's a very high number.
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  Uh it it totally absolutely is.
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  Uh and yet uh I see you know, I've read some of the polls up front.
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  Uh the media is not gonna put a light on any of that back to what we're talking about here.
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  So, you know, uh there's a lot to say about it, but what about all that, uh, Brandon?
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  Does that change the rules of engagement?
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  Or uh was I mean, was it well look?
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  There's there's no doubt, there's no doubt that the Iranian regime is not a friend of the Americans.
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  The Iranian regime has killed Americans, as was noted, not just Bill Buckley and and you know, the the other officials, but this goes back many decades.
• 15:55
  Uh but ultimately the the question is, and I think this is going to become more prevalent the longer the war goes on, and it's going to go on longer, and it's going to affect many more things.
• 16:07
  Um there's going to be no containing it in terms of the political fallout.
• 16:11
  This is a repeat of 2003 all over again.
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  We don't yet thank God have boots on the ground.
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  And I don't think it will be a conversion.
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  Hold on, why is it a repeat of two 2003?
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  Well, I mean, I I would like to just push back on what the previous I don't know if it was Fred or Arthur, but but but somebody had mentioned that you know this this is an unconstitutional war.
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  No, there's been absolutely no discussion about the reasons.
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  There's been a claim made that the Iranians were going to attack us, and then it was insisted that well, they were going to attack us because the Israelis were going to attack them.
• 16:46
  Um there's just there's been no evidence.
• 16:49
  Uh the gang of eight is claiming that the the Trump administration before uh the initiation of hostilities withheld key intelligence, which is a big legal problem and a constitutional problem now for the Trump administration, if that is in fact proven, and I am sure that this is being looked into quite in fact I know it is uh by notably the Democrats uh in the Senate.
• 17:12
  Uh they are investigating this, and I'm sure it will come out at some point, whether this happened or not.
• 17:18
  But if it did happen, then that's a big problem for the Trump administration.
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  You you've been so very interested.
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  Now you've been very, very outspoken about this, pushing back very heavy.
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  But let me ask you.
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  Yeah, but yeah, because because this this doesn't doing this now um destroys Trump's domestic agenda.
• 17:36
  Well, let's talk about that.
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  That's that's that's the next one.
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  There's no there's no American, there's no deterring China, there's no reindustrializing America.
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  There's none of that if we are stuck in the quicksand again.
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  Let me remind us as well, Brandon.
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  Correct correct me on this, please.
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  And I because I I think this is important.
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  I want to know to in the last election.
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  Did you vote for Trump?
• 17:57
  I voted for Trump three times.
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  In fact, in 2015, I was one of the key organizers of the scholars and writers for Trump, along with Michael Anton and some of the other Claremont guys.
• 18:08
  I am I am an OG Trump voter, and it's very funny because a lot of the people coming at me right now are people who who wrote that national review suicide letter uh about you know the case against Trump at Glenn Beck and all these people.
• 18:21
  It's like, dude, where were you guys in 2015?
• 18:24
  Because I lost my career.
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  The reason I want to bring that out.
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  The reason I want listeners to hear that, because I I knew that you did.
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  I had a sense you did.
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  I don't know if I've asked you the question, but I knew you did.
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  And uh, I'm like an OG Trump guy.
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  I was taking fire from everybody in 2015.
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  But here's the thing.
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  Uh you don't the one thing about you, I I've discovered, which is refreshing in many ways.
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  You don't follow an ideological thread specifically.
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  Uh you don't follow the candidate right over the cliff.
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  It doesn't matter who the candidate is.
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  I agree.
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  Yes.
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  You really was to make America great again.
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  And that is what I believe, and that is what I love.
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  And I, you know, and it's very painful.
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  It's it's very painful for me to see the tr the Trump administration devolve into what it has.
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  So let me ask you this question now.
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  Chief complaints are that President Trump and spending far too much time on foreign conflicts and not sufficient time on the U.S.
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  economy.
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  You're that's one of the biggest complaints.
• 19:22
  That's one of the biggest complaints, but let's but let's get specific.
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  I am one of the ear one of the loudest proponents of Western hemispheric defense.
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  I was fine with the I mean, some of the parts of the Venezuela thing, I think are a little fantastical.
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  But the actual raid on Maduro, totally fine.
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  I am fine with helping to collapse the Cuban regime as long as we have something, you know, to that can go after, but the going beyond the Western Hemisphere and not focusing on Golden Dome, which is we're not, uh, this is a waste.
• 19:50
  This is and it and it what it's doing is it's empowering China.
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  And contrary to what everybody in the right wing media is saying, China's feeling a pinch, yeah, but they get 14 to 16.
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  Percent of their oil from Iran, that's not going to kill them.
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  They're just trans, they're just transferring over to Russian uh pipelines now.
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  So this idea that well, it's gonna it's going after China, maybe that is the play, but it's not gonna work out the way they think.
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  All right.
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  Uh let's do this now.
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  But with everything you said, let's keep that right there.
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  Art, let me bring you in on top of what Brandon's saying, because what we're we're we are somewhere right now that a lot of Americans, the division in our country.
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  Uh what I like about, and I knew I was going to love this conversation, but it also art is reflective of our entire network.
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  We are probably divided right in the middle, I would say.
• 20:37
  But there's a good swath of our expert team who would uh side right with what Brandon is saying, and this good swath of our expert team who would probably uh side with uh Major Fred Galvin, although he hasn't rebuked a lot of that yet, but I believe he will, and uh that would really side with that.
• 20:55
  So we're we're a reflection of our nation, really, the division and our nation.
• 20:59
  Here's what I want to ask you.
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  You know, where Brandon is right now talking about a lot of MAGA people, America First feel like Trump has been too far into foreign conflicts and not spending enough time here at home.
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  The midterm election, the the Democrats often play Houdini with elections uh very very nicely, uh whether it's legal or illegal, but but they do.
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  They steal elections.
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  They do that very, very well.
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  And uh and Republicans are very good at pulling defeat out of out of the jaws of victory.
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  They do that really, really well.
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  They're they're famous for it.
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  What worries a lot of Republicans right now, Art, is that we're at that crucial moment again where the Republicans are gonna blow it.
• 21:38
  With a crucial midterm election staring us in the face right this moment, was this the time for a Middle East conflict?
• 21:45
  Yes or no, Art.
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  What do you think?
• 21:47
  Yeah, I think it's one of those things where um Jew politics doesn't follow the electoral schedule.
• 21:54
  Uh and the ultimate fallout of all of this is yet to be seen.
• 22:00
  And you know, it's one of those things where I talk to a lot of Republicans, and you know, they're very concerned.
• 22:05
  They were very the day after the uh the election, they were very concerned about uh the House of Representatives, because of course once you win the presidency, you're gonna lose that, and you're gonna lose the governorship of Virginia and all of those other things.
• 22:18
  Well, if they're out of office, though, in the mid in the 26th, if Congress flips and they're out of office, it does it does matter.
• 22:24
  All right, it does matter, right?
• 22:26
  Oh, yeah, it it plainly will matter, and it's gonna have you know huge impacts on the uh President Trump's ability to govern for his last two years, he'll be a lame duck with a Congress that is constantly against him.
• 22:38
  And you know, it's interesting because uh, you know, I hear the complaints of Republicans, no offense to Brandon or anybody else, but you know, it reminds me of what we say in Maryland.
• 22:47
  Uh the poor sailor always says that the wind is against him.
• 22:51
  And one of the things that we see in politics is that there's a tendency to overreach when you think you have to.
• 22:57
  The wind isn't against us, Arthur.
• 22:59
  The president chose to go into war.
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  The president made a stupid choice.
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  That's what happened.
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  No, no, no, I'm not talking about that part.
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  I'm talking about, you know, Republicans always seem to, you know, step on it, and Democrats always seem to uh gain the advantage.
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  But you know, this is uh one of those things where uh when we look at what the president said he was going to do, what he has done, many of people's uh sentiments are driven by day-to-day events.
• 23:30
  Uh one of the things that that I do in my studies is I end up going back to the past to see what was happening at the time crucial votes happened, and we sort of muddle all of this up uh in our minds.
• 23:45
  You know, we we separate these things out that each one is individual.
• 23:49
  I have no idea how people are going to be voting on the first Tuesday in November.
• 23:54
  I have no idea what their interests and concerns are going to be.
• 23:58
  Uh I do, I do.
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  If gas is uh 350, 380, 40 a gallon, uh, if we're still in the Middle East war, I can tell you how they're gonna vote on Malcolm.
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  They're talking about five dollars to six dollars.
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  I can tell you how they're gonna vote.
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  What would happen then?
• 24:14
  Yeah, I mean, if the you know if the price of oil spikes, if we are bogged down in uh yet another forever war, it's gonna have an impact.
• 24:23
  But you know, if these operations end quickly, uh quickly, do you think Arn?
• 24:31
  Yeah, it's an excellent question.
• 24:32
  I would uh definitely defer to uh Mr.
• 24:35
  Galvin on that one.
• 24:37
  But uh, you know, you know, these things seem to uh you know have a pattern of their own.
• 24:44
  Donald Trump has a way that he you know goes through operations that they end, and you know, he can you know claim whatever he wants at the end of it, and then it's the uh opponents are gonna say that's not true.
• 24:55
  So, you know, again, what's going on in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz is probably the biggest concern that we have right now.
• 25:03
  But if we can degrade Iran's ability to uh harm its neighbors, to threaten its neighbors, if ideally there was, you know, some sort of regime change there.
• 25:13
  Keep in mind, Malcolm, and this is an important point I think most people overlook.
• 25:17
  You know, it seems to be that Mossad had a lot of people who uh had uh burrowed themselves into the Iranian government.
• 25:26
  If Mossad had people who had burrowed themselves into the level of the supreme leader, uh the late Ali uh uh homini, you know one has to believe that uh Israel also has individuals who are in the regular Iranian army who are ready to present that uh that that um the uh you know the alternative to what they have right now.
• 25:52
  Now, again, perhaps this is Polly Anish, but that seems to be the one point part of this that people overlook.
• 25:59
  You know, we accept that they knew exactly when all these people were gonna meet and that there were all these people who are in Massad or who are Massad assets, and yet we never think about what that means for the rest of the Iranian government.
• 26:12
  This is a threat that we were gonna have to face at some point.
• 26:15
  Well, now that's that's the point right there.
• 26:18
  Look, stay right there, Art.
• 26:19
  Hold on.
• 26:20
  Brandon, what Art just says, that was the threat we were gonna have to face it.
• 26:24
  That's why we were in the neighboring.
• 26:26
  Do you believe that?
• 26:27
  Yes or no?
• 26:28
  Yeah, of course they were a threat.
• 26:29
  I have a whole book on the Iranian regime.
• 26:31
  The whole point of the book, though, the conclusion was the Abraham Accords were the off-ramp.
• 26:36
  And when I spoke with Avi and Jared in 2018, before they got this initiative going, the whole pitch was we're finding a third way.
• 26:45
  We're not gonna go to war with Iran, we're not gonna worry about getting deals with Iran.
• 26:50
  We're just going to empower the Sunni Arabs and the Israel Israelis to allow for us to step back.
• 26:56
  But now those are shredded.
• 26:58
  It's gone, and here we are at war.
• 27:00
  Okay, all right.
• 27:01
  All right, Major Fred Galvin.
• 27:03
  Two questions for you.
• 27:04
  The first is can we get out of there quickly?
• 27:07
  Yes or no.
• 27:08
  Just be specific, please.
• 27:10
  And uh in your pro professional military experience, and how long are we there, please?
• 27:15
  And your opinion.
• 27:18
  Good questions.
• 27:19
  I don't think we're gonna get out quickly, but I don't believe in this time will tell that we as an America will have boots on the ground.
• 27:28
  So and I know none of us have this uh access to special access program, classified information, but people do, and let's just also consider the reason that Secretary Heggseth kicked all the media out of the Pentagon, is because whenever there was it, you name the level of classification, top secret SCI, it was always being leaked.
• 27:55
  We don't have people saying there is no evidence of weapons grade uranium.
• 28:01
  And and I'm not trying to do a tinfoil hat, but the probability, you know, I know Tulsi Gabber's you know, tightening that cinch if people do leak information, but if people had information contrary that that Iran wasn't any type of threat at all, it wasn't imminent, that would probably be leaked.
• 28:21
  I say probably because that is conjecture.
• 28:24
  I don't know for sure.
• 28:25
  But one thing I do know is Donald Trump does, he's very well aware.
• 28:31
  I mean, when you look at how he rose from the ashes and was behind in the polls, he is very well aware.
• 28:38
  He has people consulting him about November, he is publicly stated that.
• 28:42
  But I go back again as far as how long.
• 28:45
  I think we will be there as long as it takes to make sure there is safe transit through the Straits of Hormuz, and that will get going.
• 28:55
  Uh, but I don't believe there's a good reason for American boots.
• 29:00
  Now, whether that's Kurdish or some other combination, who knows that?
• 29:05
  Well, he's looking for regime change right now, is what they're looking for.
• 29:08
  So that's uh that's right now Trump and the in the in the last 24, 48 hours has said we're gonna hit them harder right now.
• 29:16
  We're going in for the kill.
• 29:17
  Absolutely.
• 29:17
  So that's what they're doing right now.
• 29:19
  Now, if they get the kill, if they're let me say this if there is successful at killing this final aspect of quasi quasi, my fingers are up regime, uh, which is borrowed pretty pretty big in there.
• 29:33
  Uh, you know, there was a lot of success with taking some of the top killers from the from the radical Ayotolla's regime out of there.
• 29:40
  The way that was hit was uh a brilliant strategy.
• 29:43
  Uh you almost want to ask somebody, would you do this again if you could take the Ayotola and those top 40 some odd out?
• 29:49
  Is that a good payoff, Major?
• 29:51
  Yes or no?
• 29:52
  Some some recent developments.
• 29:53
  Yes, I do believe because and just allow me a second.
• 29:57
  Now that the Ford has passed through.
• 30:01
  Into the Red Sea.
• 30:02
  I think there's the cycle of operations.
• 30:06
  There's going to be even more attacks on the critical infrastructure and what Iran can do to bring to bear.
• 30:13
  And I think that's showing that we want to have those strategic assets neutralized, especially their Navy.
• 30:20
  You've seen all this assets that Russia and China have sold them as far as their supersonic anti-ship missiles and the air defense radars.
• 30:29
  That has done them no good at all.
• 30:30
  Is their goal to make uh to make Tehran and uh and and part of Iran look like Gaza?
• 30:35
  Look like Gaza could mean a lot of things.
• 30:37
  Well, that well, it looks like hell.
• 30:39
  I mean, I well, who said yes?
• 30:40
  Who said that?
• 30:41
  I did.
• 30:42
  It's clearly what's going on.
• 30:43
  And by the way, we're not doing the bulk of the bombings in Tehran.
• 30:48
  It's the Israelis that are doing it.
• 30:50
  We're helping them with intelligence and targeting and whatnot.
• 30:53
  But I thought that was an interesting story that came out yesterday that a lot of what's going on over the skies of Tehran is I mean, we're there, but but it's really the Israelis.
• 31:02
  Um, Brandon, if I could have said to you uh several weeks ago.
• 31:06
  I didn't mean to cut you off, Red.
• 31:07
  I'm sorry.
• 31:08
  Brandon, if I could have said to you several weeks ago that we could have got in there and we could have taken the Ottola and 40, whatever the number is, 45, 49, there's all kinds, you know, of those top uh lieutenants there uh surrounding the Ayatollah.
• 31:20
  They could have taken them out in a full swath.
• 31:22
  Would that have been a good payoff?
• 31:24
  I think that the president should tomorrow declare victory because he did get the Ayatollah, he did degrade the regime.
• 31:30
  Right, right.
• 31:31
  There are things that he has done that we can positively say, okay.
• 31:35
  Right.
• 31:35
  Uh, but this whole obsession with regime change and with unconditional surrender.
• 31:41
  I mean, this is the stuff of mania.
• 31:43
  This is like mad king level.
• 31:44
  Well, hold on.
• 31:45
  Now, the Iranians are not, listen, the Iranian regime is hardened.
• 31:49
  They are not going to surrender.
• 31:50
  They have no problem dying for their cause.
• 31:53
  These are not Venezuelans we're dealing with, with all due respect to my my friends in Venezuela.
• 31:58
  These guys are fanatics, and they're they're they're they're ready to die for their God.
• 32:02
  And we do not know, we do not seem to understand the pre the president.
• 32:06
  It was not properly briefed on this.
• 32:08
  They do not seem to understand, and this is an epic intelligence failure in this aspect.
• 32:13
  We do not understand the intentions of the Iranian regime.
• 32:15
  They have no problem dying.
• 32:17
  This is not the problem.
• 32:18
  You're looking for something as quick and handy as Operation Midnight Hammer was basically.
• 32:22
  No, I wasn't looking for any of this because I knew you can't replicate Operation Midnight Hammer in in Iran.
• 32:28
  You just can't do it.
• 32:29
  Um, and so you can, you know, you wouldn't have to be able to do that.
• 32:32
  We can be great.
• 32:33
  Go home right now.
• 32:34
  You'd you'd be you'd feel better about it.
• 32:36
  I'd feel better about it because it gets us out.
• 32:37
  Here's what I'm hearing.
• 32:38
  And and I would love to hear uh, I don't know if I can I call you Fred.
• 32:42
  I'd love to hear, I'd love to hear your take on this because I know you've got you've got experience with special forces, but I am hearing that there are not only CIA paramilitaries embedded with the Kurds, but that we are now moving to have special forces link up with the MEK fighters on the ground in Iran to replicate what we did in Afghanistan in 2001 with the Northern Alliance.
• 33:04
  And I believe if that is true, I believe that that is going to be mission fail because the MEK fighters are nowhere near as operationally proficient as the Northern Alliance was at their peak in 01.
• 33:18
  And certainly the Kurds are not going to go all the way into Iran.
• 33:21
  They're going to attack that little Kurdish part of Iran, and the Iranian Kurds hate the Iraqi Kurds.
• 33:27
  This is like something that's also not widely talked about.
• 33:30
  So I would love to hear from Fred if like you've heard any of this.
• 33:34
  We'll do that right after the pause here.
• 33:35
  Hold on there, Brandon.
• 33:36
  We'll do that in a moment here.
• 33:39
  Everybody here.
• 33:41
  Uh so this conversation you're hearing right now is uh very much where our country sits.
• 33:46
  That's that's what it is.
• 33:47
  That's why it's a really cool conversation.
• 33:50
  Uh, because you're getting all sides of this dialogue and the debate.
• 33:55
  And then there's the big thing I want art to talk about in moments here, and that is that uh the national security, the real national security threats that are linked to the crisis at that border that the Center for Immigration Studies and uh and and art and uh Marco Gorian and the group there have followed to a T.
• 34:14
  Uh, he just had an interesting uh conversation he just had with Mark Morgan, the uh former FBI agent and served as the uh U.S.
• 34:20
  border patrol, which was very fascinating.
• 34:22
  I heard and uh that's why I said art we I want to get him on the program here, talking about some of that as well.
• 34:28
  Uh and uh, but you know, you look at a lot of this stuff out there, and uh it's fascinating as hell right now what's happening.
• 34:35
  I guess the question we have to ask ourselves, friends is uh can Trump do what Brandon is saying is and keep this to a minimal and get out of there.
• 34:42
  Now we know he doesn't want to stay there too.
• 34:44
  He's expressed he doesn't want to stay there too long.
• 34:46
  Because see, when he puts verbose statements out there like we want you to come crawling on your knees and we want you to surrender and so on and so forth.
• 34:53
  That pisses people like Brandon off and others in the party say, ah, we don't like that kind of thing.
• 34:57
  But that's what Trump sort of does.
• 34:58
  He throws a lot of that out there on the Barbie, but it it's just rhetoric and garbage for the mass media to consume and for others to consume, basically.
• 35:06
  Does he really mean that?
• 35:07
  I don't know that he does, friends.
• 35:09
  I I think that's uh statements he throws out there to rever everybody up.
• 35:13
  And quite frankly, I think if you watch some of the press conferences and others with Trump and Heggs out, there's a little bit of cockiness there.
• 35:19
  There's a little bit of cockiness there.
• 35:21
  How many times are we gonna war remind the world and the American people that we have the best military in the world?
• 35:27
  Don't I mean I'll tell you what, China and Russia don't want to hear that crap.
• 35:30
  Uh, I think that's kind of rubbing it in their face.
• 35:32
  I wonder if that's a good strategy as well.
• 35:34
  I'm not sure if it is.
• 35:35
  I'm not sure that we have to keep reminding people of that.
• 35:37
  Sometimes it's better to be the element of surprise and not be rubbing it in their face.
• 35:42
  I'm not sure.
• 35:43
  I'm I'm just just saying, I'm not sure.
• 35:45
  Some of that, some of that grandstanding can come back to hit you in the backside.
• 35:49
  I think you gotta be careful where where you go with that.
• 35:51
  So, anyways, we take a deep pause here.
• 35:53
  A very, very interesting conversations here.
• 35:56
  By the way, political had a had an interesting headline, all the president's mess.
• 36:01
  I don't know if you read that, but I love those kinds of love to follow the leftist media.
• 36:05
  There's so is there's so much um uh so much information there uh to use uh for these programs.
• 36:11
  It's perfect.
• 36:12
  So the question is is it regime change?
• 36:14
  Is it nation built-in?
• 36:15
  Is it American democracy?
• 36:16
  These are the pitfalls and the potholes we have run into previously uh with previous administrations.
• 36:22
  Uh and we've kind of got PTSD at this point.
• 36:24
  A lot of Americans have PTSD.
• 36:27
  Uh and so Brandon would be a good swath of a lot of the American people, and he's perfect for this conversation because he is MAGA.
• 36:33
  He is uh supportive of the president's agenda.
• 36:36
  So you see what I mean, friends.
• 36:38
  So it's better than some of you who put blindfolds on and walk right over the cliff, sleepwalk in and say, Oh, what the hell happened, Marge?
• 36:44
  I don't know.
• 36:45
  I mean, you know, at least you kind of question what needs to be questioned.
• 36:48
  So, you know, I kind of support that a little bit here.
• 36:51
  I think we need to have that on all sides of that debate here.
• 36:53
  So, anyways, now can you imagine this conversation?
• 36:58
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• 37:03
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• 37:04
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• 37:15
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• 37:27
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• 37:41
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• 37:53
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• 37:59
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• 38:01
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• 38:06
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• 38:13
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• 38:17
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• 38:17
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• 38:25
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• 38:49
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• 38:54
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• 38:56
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• 39:06
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• 39:17
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• 42:41
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• 43:50
  Art, I want to come back to you first, please.
• 43:52
  I want to I want to go here before we get to Major Fred and answer some of their stuff that Brandon was throwing out there.
• 43:56
  I want to ask you this, please.
• 43:58
  Uh one of the uh things, one of the shoes to drop, and one of the caveats of this whole uh juncture here, and I again want to keep it up at 30,000 feet, but uh is uh I I've spoke to many terrorism experts, uh, people who really feel the risk is real at home here.
• 44:15
  We seem to so far, I and I don't know how this is uh Art.
• 44:19
  I'm really scratching my head here today, that we continue to play the Houdini act here, uh, is reckless as our nation was the previous administration with those four years, which everybody on this broadcast here is perturbed and everybody listening is by what transpired there.
• 44:35
  How we continue to play that Houdini Act.
• 44:37
  I don't know if it's just potluck or the timing isn't right, or the sleeper cells and and one-off lone wolves uh carriers somewhere else.
• 44:45
  I don't know, or if we just overspeak in the moment and nothing's really gonna happen.
• 44:49
  And then I asked the question earlier to Major Fred, does that provoke or make the time of the Middle East thing a problem for us?
• 44:56
  It could, he said, he's right.
• 44:57
  It could bring us to a capsule of how how that is right now, Art, and how dangerous that is or not with our uh country right here, the national security threats.
• 45:07
  Well, yeah, it's an interesting question, Malcolm, because uh, you know, we uh as I I mentioned before, history sort of passes before us in real time.
• 45:16
  We get very caught up in the moment, then we move on to the next thing.
• 45:19
  Right.
• 45:19
  And we failed to, you know, take a look at that stream that has already passed us by.
• 45:24
  Uh one of the jobs that I held before, I was head of the National Security Law Division at the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
• 45:31
  And I played a role uh in the arrest of an individual named Ahmed Rassal.
• 45:36
  Mr.
• 45:36
  Rassam was the millennium bomber who's gonna blow up Los Angeles International Airport on the millennium.
• 45:41
  We didn't know that at the time.
• 45:43
  Uh, and you know, so consequently, you know, I got involved in the decision to detain this individual.
• 45:50
  Once Mr.
• 45:50
  Rassam was in custody, one of the things that we found out was that a lot of things that had happened previously, the bombings of the uh U.S.
• 45:58
  embassies uh in Nairobi and Dara Salaam, the attack on the coal, the first World Trade Center attack, these things that we thought were one-off things were actually tied to an organization I think Fred alluded to earlier, Al-Qaeda.
• 46:12
  Uh, you know, we see many things that have happened in the United States.
• 46:15
  In fact, every day uh when I when I'm in DC and I go to my office, I have to go through the Farragut Square Metro and I pass a memorial that was set up to two National Guardsmen who were shot uh just a couple of months ago, right in front of that by an individual who had been brought to the uh the United States from Afghanistan, and that's not the only individual.
• 46:36
  There was a plot in Oklahoma City uh to uh attack uh voters on election day in 2024.
• 46:44
  We know that all of these things happen in real time.
• 46:46
  We just don't put them uh into a larger sphere.
• 46:50
  And I think it was either Brandon or Fred that talked about the radicalization of individuals in the United States.
• 46:56
  When I spoke to uh Mark Morgan, former border patrol chief, former acting director of both ICE and CBP, former FBI lead in Iraq.
• 47:07
  Uh, you know, we talked a lot about, you know, those threats, the threats uh that the Biden administration exposed us to when I was on Capitol Hill the first time after I'd left the INS out of fear that there was going to be a terrorist attack, and unfortunately I was correct.
• 47:23
  Um, you know, I worked with the 9-11 commission uh to help them in their work.
• 47:28
  Uh and you know, we beefed up legal immigration to the United States.
• 47:34
  You know, we recognized that there was a danger.
• 47:36
  We recognized that we had to do a better job of screening people before they came here, because of course, all 19 of the 9-11 hijackers had entered the United States legally on non-immigrant visas.
• 47:48
  So our chances right now.
• 47:50
  I gotta get I we got a lot to cover the night.
• 47:52
  So get it bring me to the right.
• 47:53
  But but it it gets it, yeah.
• 47:56
  This is gonna be the point that I wrap up.
• 47:58
  In the four years of the Biden administration, we you know, the administration forgot all of the lessons that we had learned on September 11th.
• 48:05
  We weren't so much focused on uh, you know, illegal immigration, we had locked down.
• 48:10
  It was the front door of the United States that we had left open to all of those people who came in.
• 48:16
  And again, this is going to be an issue we deal with for at least a decade before it's resolved.
• 48:21
  So, do you think something do you think we skate by this thing, or do you think we we get off with a, you know, or are the chances very high?
• 48:29
  And what would that do right now, Art?
• 48:31
  That would be uh uh uh I don't even know how to describe it if something took place like that.
• 48:37
  Yeah, you know, it's curious because I can remember September 11th.
• 48:40
  I can remember the unity of that day and the you know the years that followed that.
• 48:44
  I'm not sure that in the United States today, there wouldn't be a large cloud of people who would say, Well, yeah, you had a coming to you.
• 48:51
  Uh, you know, you got involved in the Middle East, you should have known this was going to happen.
• 48:54
  I hope that's a good idea.
• 48:55
  I asked that question.
• 48:56
  That's why I asked it, because uh, that is a cattle, that is a catalyst that could uh put put us in deep trouble, Art, you know.
• 49:03
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:04
  And I mean, I'm very concerned about the, you know, one, we've got very good intelligence apparatus in the United States.
• 49:10
  I, you know, fortunately, thank God.
• 49:12
  Yeah.
• 49:13
  But if something does happen, I'm just not a hundred percent sure that we're gonna see all the members of Congress standing on the front steps of the Capitol singing, God bless them.
• 49:21
  Well, that's a great point.
• 49:22
  Yeah, I mean, a lot of times these things uh do unite to the nation in some very interesting ways, but uh it's hard to say whether that would happen now or not, Art.
• 49:31
  I don't know because the division is the radical left is in control of the Democrat Party.
• 49:36
  Uh I mean, really extreme radical.
• 49:39
  Uh, and uh so I'm not sure that would happen.
• 49:42
  I know it's hard to say that the country's changing.
• 49:44
  It's changing in ways that we can't even describe right now.
• 49:47
  Major Fred Galvin, uh Brandon had asked some interesting things by uh Pride of the Pause there.
• 49:52
  Uh, and let's get to the real threats for time.
• 49:55
  I want to keep this really moving fast and high levels here.
• 49:58
  So uh what
• 50:00
  What the the real threats and back to uh and even with the Kurds in in the Middle East and this whole regime change.
• 50:07
  Is this all just a pipe dream?
• 50:09
  Or is there it can any of that be pulled off in the short term?
• 50:14
  It's not gonna be pulled off in the short term.
• 50:16
  And one thing I do know military professionals, and they're doing this in the Pentagon, they've been doing this for a while, is they war game, and they're looking at all the what ifs and the second third order effects, and you can't like combat is a verb, it's not a noun.
• 50:31
  You can't easily predict what the enemy is going to do to that exact degree.
• 50:35
  But I'm not gonna go back to my high school Latin class where Father Kelly taught us this Gala campaign.
• 50:42
  But one thing that I believe that we could likely see is just like Caesar did in Alicia is we can starve out just by making sure that Straits War Moose is open, and we do that through offensive air operations.
• 50:58
  And the question was asked earlier, and Brandon, I believe, was uh discussing that uh whether it's the CIA or ground branch, CIA's ground branch or American special operations.
• 51:12
  I think when we look at those going in with the Kurds, uh there's part of me that's saying I think we we're probably going to have American boots on the ground.
• 51:22
  Well, I don't know.
• 51:23
  Do you think we're going to have them?
• 51:24
  You're saying?
• 51:25
  Well, in my uh opinion, if the Pentagon and the intelligence community were straight, we're we're making a smart decision, is the CIA's ground branch along with Intel communities in Israel.
• 51:37
  They can have deniability if if it's civilian organizations versus military.
• 51:43
  They can say we don't have boots on the ground, and it has a Kurdish face, and those guys, but the fact is you have almost a million people on the Iranian payroll still that are in their active in reserve.
• 51:56
  So that's gonna be.
• 52:16
  Okay.
• 52:16
  So there was a deniability that there's any American boots on the ground.
• 52:20
  And I think that our goal is to keep that straight open, oil flowing, uh, reduce the price, try to get inflation back down.
• 52:30
  That's the nerve on the now.
• 52:31
  Trump's got to do a Houdini act, though, uh, Major.
• 52:33
  He's got to do it, he's got to, he's got to get back to the economy.
• 52:36
  Back to Brandon.
• 52:36
  Let's get Brandon in here.
• 52:38
  100%.
• 52:38
  Yeah, he's got to get back to the economy.
• 52:40
  He's got to get back to gas prices, energy price.
• 52:42
  He got it, but he's got to get back to even the economy as a whole, uh, people's paychecks and and housing and all that.
• 52:48
  Well, he's already said that he didn't care about the gas prices, that it's gonna come down naturally.
• 52:53
  I don't think that's possible if the war is continuing.
• 52:56
  He said previously that he's not concerned about affordability.
• 52:59
  Well, uh, I'm a millennial, and a lot of my peers are very concerned about affordability.
• 53:05
  I'm one of the few millennials who actually owns his own home.
• 53:07
  Most of my friends uh do not.
• 53:10
  And uh they're not going to.
• 53:12
  So these are things that the president should be focused on.
• 53:18
  You said a little while ago.
• 53:20
  Yeah.
• 53:20
  Yeah, so yeah, I know where you're going with that.
• 53:22
  I don't mean to cut you off, but I'm sort of like doing like a million things calculations here.
• 53:26
  But the the bottom line is it it looks like there's a chance.
• 53:31
  There's a chance.
• 53:32
  The president sort of does a reverse Uno and says, I'm gonna do one big final show with the carrier coming in, the George H.W.
• 53:42
  Bush, and we're gonna do this big final act of air war, and then we're gonna pull out, regardless of facts on the ground.
• 53:49
  I will take that, and he can make fun of me and Tucker for eternity.
• 53:54
  I am happy as long as we're out of the quagmire.
• 53:57
  But I don't think that's how it's gonna play out because it's the Middle East, and the enemy gets a vote, and the enemy is very wily in this case.
• 54:07
  What the Iranians are doing is they are directing their ire specifically, not even at Israel per se.
• 54:13
  I mean, they're certainly, I mean, Tel Aviv is is very damaged right now.
• 54:17
  But what they're focusing on are the Arab states, and they're going after refineries, they're going after the tourism industry by shutting down the airports, and they're going after desalination plants.
• 54:27
  Okay, this is a very interesting play by them.
• 54:30
  It's to break the Arabs away from the U.S.
• 54:33
  and Israelis, and I think in some cases it's going to work.
• 54:36
  Well, uh, I'll tell you what, yeah, right.
• 54:38
  In some cases, I agree with you, it will work.
• 54:40
  And you know, your point of taking your cards and go home.
• 54:42
  And and uh, you know, I'm gonna tell you that that is a very likely scenario.
• 54:47
  And and real fast, I want to get a uh uh a quick, quick response from you, major and art as well.
• 54:53
  I think that Trump is not does not want to be at a losing end of anything.
• 54:58
  Brandon's point, he represents a good swath as a Trump supporter and MAGA of where a good part of the the party is right now.
• 55:05
  I gotta be real with y'all that are not happy with this situation.
• 55:09
  If Trump can claim, like he said, Brandon said, claim victory, take your cards, your choice, get the hell out of there and be done because you're talking Middle East, to be two dirty words for Americans, because it's we've bamboozled that thing for every administration in the history of our lifetime.
• 55:24
  Uh Major, can he take his toys and go home?
• 55:27
  Um, because I'm gonna suggest to you he can.
• 55:30
  Tell me I'm wrong.
• 55:33
  I agree with you, he can.
• 55:35
  I think there will be air dominance in the air campaign will continue, but he's going to likely in the best scenario, say we've achieved our our terms.
• 55:46
  We are not going to have boots on the ground.
• 55:48
  But he's going to do what Brandon said.
• 55:50
  He's going to claim victory.
• 55:51
  He's going to do it.
• 55:52
  I think I think so.
• 55:53
  And he's killed the I told you, killed all the lieutenants.
• 55:55
  He's going to claim victory.
• 55:56
  Why wouldn't he?
• 55:57
  He he's mentioned that in the State of the Union and other places that we have to focus on the midterm.
• 56:02
  He's not going to hang there.
• 56:03
  I think Brendan's first comment on that.
• 56:05
  I think is right.
• 56:06
  I think I think we're overthinking.
• 56:08
  He's just not, that's not his style.
• 56:09
  Art, speak about it, please.
• 56:11
  Real quick.
• 56:12
  Is he is he gonna do what we're suggesting here?
• 56:14
  Or is this a long-term thing?
• 56:16
  Nope, that's exactly what he's gonna do.
• 56:18
  He's gonna say we degraded their ability to threaten their neighbors, we've degraded their ability to threaten Israel.
• 56:24
  We now leave it to the Iranians to uh uh overthrow the regime, build their future, and hopefully that'll lead to the state.
• 56:30
  And if Israel wants to keep bombing them because they want regime, good good have it.
• 56:34
  You can have your cake and do what the hell you want to do out there, I think.
• 56:37
  That might be the strategy at the end of it.
• 56:39
  And Brandon, so we all came around to your thinking on the on the technical question and go home, by the way, my friend.
• 56:46
  Wink wink, I'm elbowing you right now.
• 56:48
  What do you say?
• 56:49
  Uh, I hope that's what happens, but then we do have to prepare for the inevitable uh terrorism wave that will come.
• 56:56
  Uh the the Iranians have the largest consulate for their government is in Mexico City, and that is precisely because they're coordinating large numbers of their terrorist groups here in the U.S.
• 57:07
  Well, that's another conversation for another day.
• 57:09
  And I would say to you that uh, and and I'm sure Art would say we can uh we we can be ready for some of that.
• 57:15
  And uh and frankly, uh America continues to learn lessons.
• 57:19
  I mean, listen, we're 250 years into this American experiment.
• 57:22
  We're we're just like a a little we're think of us like a teenager with with acne problems.
• 57:28
  Uh that's what America is in the grand scheme of the world.
• 57:31
  Uh so we're but we're we're a vibrant little teenager, got a little acne going on, that kind of thing here.
• 57:36
  We're learning lessons, uh, just coming through puberty a little bit here.
• 57:40
  Uh, but uh we're sometimes we're a little too over aggressive, a little zealous, a little this, a little that.
• 57:45
  Uh, but our hearts in the right place, and damn well we're gonna win.
• 57:48
  Uh America first for sure, friends.
• 57:51
  Uh well, big thank you here too.
• 57:54
  Nice meeting you all.
• 57:55
  Uh indeed to uh uh Brandon Whitert.
• 57:58
  Uh love to get Brandon on here and stir the pot.
• 58:01
  He loves to do it.
• 58:02
  It's good stuff.
• 58:03
  Uh Andrew Arthur, uh, one of my one of my favorite guys here, and uh just always terrific to have you.
• 58:09
  Major Fred Galvin, who I've gotten to know a lot and great respect for.
• 58:12
  This is a great panel discussion, by the way, here.
• 58:15
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• 58:18
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• 58:20
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