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Max Kaczor | The Christian Reeve Podcast #178 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian re
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  podcast. Today's guest is a comedian, all
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  the way from Buffalo New York and he's also a podcaster.
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  His name is Max Kaiser. Welcome to the show.
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  How you doing - doing good? How are you?
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  I-i'm. I'm living the dream I'm doing
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  ways. I'm just happy to be doing this
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  today, so that's where my mind is going to go, you're a
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  comedian. So I'm hoping you can make me
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  laugh a lot today because I need.
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  I'll try I'll try. No pressure, man.
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  Yeah, what prompted you to get into comedy, man.
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  Everyone's got a different story, talk us through your
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  journey of becoming a comedian. Like what, what, what, why did
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  you choose to become one? Yeah, so comedy like growing up,
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  comedy stand-up comedy and stuff like that was always a big part,
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  you know, like my dad got me into like Sam Kinison and Don
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  Rickles, like some older American Comedians and then as I
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  got older, I always just watch stand up.
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  I went to stand up. Those and then I've been living
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  in Spain for the last few years back in the States.
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  Now, doing some fun Visa stuff, you know, bureaucracy, but when
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  I was living in Madrid, a good friend of mine, there is a stand
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  up comedian. So I would go to his shows like
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  every week and then every week, it was very much like, oh, I
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  could probably do that. Oh, I'll do that next week.
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  I'll try next time. And then eventually he was just
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  like, hey, either do it or shut up.
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  You know, like, I don't want to just hear you talk about it,
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  doing it all the time, so just do it.
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  And then I was like, all right cool.
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  So I've started writing jokes and then finally February 2020.
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  I got onto a show and it was, I was expecting it to be like a
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  random Open Mic situation where like no one was going to be
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  there and that ended up being a benefit show for the the charity
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  Madrid for refugees. And it was sold out.
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  So there was like 70 people there who done.
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  And I was second to headliner and I was like, okay, this is,
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  you know, just throwing me right in the deep end.
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  Let's go. And I told I like the, the host
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  I was like, I've never done stand-up before, and she's like,
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  yeah. Okay, all right.
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  It's like, I guess I'm either gonna sink or swim.
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  Let's see what happens. And it didn't go terribly, which
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  was cool. And then I got, you know, I got
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  the bug, At that point. So I got booked on another show
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  in March but it happened to be March 14 2020 when everything is
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  being closed and then stand up was basically illegal for like a
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  year and a half. So I just didn't get up again
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  until I moved to Barcelona and then I was getting up like every
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  day doing spots and just working a lot and I've been yeah
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  basically since October 11 to 21, it's been almost every day.
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  I'm an what we originally brought you to Spain, how come
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  you were there. So, I graduated University in
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  the spring of 2017 and I knew I didn't want to go join the
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  workforce yet. So I I've been working at summer
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  camps most of my life. So I contacted an old director
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  of mine was like, hey, do you know any camps in Europe that
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  will hire me for the summer? And he put me in contact with
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  some people. And I ended up working at an
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  English Immersion Camp in France.
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  And then, while working there, I met my friend Jake the comedian
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  from Madrid and he was like, here's this program to teach
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  English in Madrid and I was like okay just hang out in a
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  classroom and live in Spain for a year done and so it was kind
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  of just like it was like it was just delaying extending the
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  college style of Life, and delaying the beginning of the
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  real world stuff. Laying delaying the inevitable.
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  Exactly, exactly. You like, What because I know
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  comedy shows various far as like like how you get paid and stuff
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  like that. Is it like a standard shot?
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  Is it based on you know, how many people you get through the
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  door? Like how does that work?
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  So yeah, there's a couple different ones it's primarily
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  based on time. So like the standard page show,
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  you're probably going to do about 10 minutes.
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  Hmm? Are you have to have at least 10
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  minutes of material prepared? And then for that, you can be
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  paid anything from 15 to 20 bucks, 20 Euro 20, something
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  like that. It's, that's kind of like, the
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  the universal standard for that, but then there are like in New
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  York and in London, and Los Angeles in the bigger cities,
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  they do have bringer shows, which is you basically, they
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  give you Flyers. That have like a mark on them
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  for you, like specifics. Like they might have your name
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  on the back and so you got to go out and hand out.
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  Those fliers you barking in the street, like, hey, come to the
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  show. Hey, come to the show.
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  Hey, come to the show. Those come through the door
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  because they check them like, oh, did you get a flyer from
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  somebody? That's a guy hears, Max's Tech
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  Max's tick. And then you get paid a little
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  bit more based on that, as might think, I'll promote yourself and
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  so weird. I don't know why I find it.
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  Odd that hey, come see me perform.
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  I get it, but it's just because that, you know what, now you
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  mentioned, I think I've met people doing that in London, in
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  Leicester Square because it's quite a few comedy clubs there.
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  Yeah. And there's a place that I
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  actually went to, which had about three to five different
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  comics, and two of them were brilliant and the others with
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  the shits. And, yeah, it's fine.
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  Like everyone's learning experiences, right?
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  But there's like a noticeable difference.
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  And I do actually recall, that one of them that I saw on stage,
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  had previously given me a flyer, Fire.
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  Let's just forget it. Yeah, you start when you're
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  starting now. I mean, just everything
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  self-promotion. I mean, like right now is with
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  me like I'm doing literally everything myself and I wish I
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  had stuff to be honest. No, no, that's okay.
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  This would be really cool to pay someone else to do this.
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  But yeah. It's also like for the booker
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  for whoever puts you on the show, if they don't know you,
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  they I know that you can do something if you're not funny,
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  you can at least bring people you know which episode like
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  actually getting shows, how much of it would you say is about who
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  you know versus you know, maybe neriah t or like how is there a
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  lot of like Outreach involved? You know, because I mean I can
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  kind of relax I come from the music industry previously so I
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  could I know there's a lot of Outreach initially trying to
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  reach people and whatnot but like, how does it work for
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  comedy? It's it's Yeah, I think it's
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  probably super similar to the music industry.
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  Whereas like in the first probably 23 years, it's 100% you
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  doing it on your own and trying to reach out to as many people
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  posting content getting anything out there that shows your do.
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  It, you're actually like a credible person and then it's
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  also. It's just a lot of like making
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  sure you're a good person. Like it's not necessarily you
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  trying to Reach out and get out to all these people.
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  It's just like showing that you're putting in the work,
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  you're showing up to the open mics working out, new material,
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  you're not being rude to Bar people at the venue's.
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  You know, you're not being rude to other Comics, like you got to
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  be a genuine person. You see the lever.
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  I mean there's a you run into like people getting a little
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  cocky. Look if you have one good show
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  it's like all right, I'm hot. Shit.
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  You know, I don't need to do anything.
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  I'm the best of the best and it's like, I've had a lot of
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  good shows but I've also had a lot of bad shows, you know, like
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  I know exactly where I am on the totem.
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  Pole, you go sharing some stories with me about this mud,
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  like, what will go into your personal experiences in a
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  second? But I got to know, like, what
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  people other people you've met, because I meet a lot of people
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  from a lot of different Industries.
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  And sometimes there is a little bit of that big league and crap
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  and like, you know, like right, I'm the best.
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  I'm too good to talk to you, you know that Shit.
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  What if he would have been your experience is what stands out or
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  his most memorable. It's like a lot because I've,
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  you know, I've had the opportunity I've done stand-up
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  in Spain, in New York and Chicago.
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  And this is in Texas and Boston and like, subtle subtle flex
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  flexible. You want, man?
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  That's it. That's the whole point of what
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  this show is. Exactly promotion.
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  Promote yourself, why not? It's a lot of like a lot.
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  Like the most of the I will say before, I step on anyone's feet,
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  a lot of the people in Buffalo and a lot of the people, most of
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  the people in Buffalo, most people in Barcelona that I
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  interact with our great people. They're very good comedians.
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  They're very supportive that help you write jokes, they'll
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  help you get on shows and everything like that.
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  But then when you get to places like New York City or Chicago,
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  that have a million people trying to do the same thing, but
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  it's a lot of like the old heads, the guys that have been
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  doing it for 15 years and they're still, they're not on
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  Club show. They're on like that dive bar
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  show. Oh no.
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  Oh, so you've got like some begrudging old guy who's better
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  in my God, I never made it in that kind of what it's like.
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  Oh, I used to write jokes with that person I used to, you know,
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  Jerry, I used to do stuff with Jerry and it's like, okay, good.
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  But now, you don't have you ever heard of a guy called
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  Stuttering, John by any chance? It sounds familiar.
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  Yeah. There's this guy.
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  I had a couple even bringing this up, so Shout out to what
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  are these podcast podcast that I listen to these guys basically
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  just shot on podcasts. It's amazing.
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  Sometimes they're really brutal. I will say that, but a lot of it
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  is kind of fair, but they also talked a lot about Stuttering,
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  John and Anthony and Opie if you're familiar with them.
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  Yeah. And they've all kind of gone
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  their separate ways but basically the significance of
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  this is that back in the day, when we're talking late, 80's
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  90's, whatever Stuttering John was character.
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  A guy that used to appear on the house?
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  Then show. And of course, a lot of those
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  guys around there are all used to work with each other up here
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  on each others shows, whatever the case may be.
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  But you know, everyone has their time in the spotlight, some
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  people continue to be in the spotlight, some people don't,
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  and then some people fall into what you just mentioned in this
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  kind of pool of irrelevancy. Which, again, it's not a
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  problem, you know, it's not a bad thing, not throw any stones
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  but some people take it. Well, transition into other
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  things use what they made before.
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  And Turn that into something else and some people sit and get
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  progression of art, it and get annoyed and either try and live
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  in the past, or they get annoyed because things haven't worked
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  out. And I always just find that
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  really interesting. Like I think if you're at that
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  point, like I've had this conversation with myself as well
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  because you know, I've been trying to pursue acting for a
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  couple of years now and I'll be up doing the podcast a couple of
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  years and to be honest, things haven't really worked out and
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  that's just kind of how it is sometimes.
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  One thing that I've been reminded by a bit, you know,
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  people that listen to the show people that support me online or
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  whatever is that, you know, you got to do it for the right
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  reasons, you got to be, gotta love what you do, exactly.
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  And like, ironically through doing that, that's how you'll
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  get tension and you'll get people interested in what you're
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  doing. It's not by posting 1000 Clips a
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  day like that sure that stuff helps but like, or doing like,
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  you know, ten shows a week or whatever.
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  If you're a comedian it's about working hard on your craft
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  enjoying what you do and I think, I think confidence as
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  well. Like, I love comedy.
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  I've been watching comedy ever since I was a young kid and one
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  thing I've always noticed is that the best comedians?
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  Make it seem effortless? Yeah.
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  You know what I mean? Like, I look at like a Dave
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  Chappelle, like, he's not even really doing comedy anymore.
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  He's just walking around telling funny stories, you know, or even
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  just storytelling, which to me, I'd love that.
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  But I get, it's not always comedy but it's when she is
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  there. There's like different levels to
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  it. And obviously there's different
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  styles. And what not?
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  And yes, It's a really fascinating field which brings
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  me to my next question. Actually, what's your style?
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  Are you doing one-liners? You do more conversational you
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  picking on the crowd like what's your style?
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  I do, I do click on the crowd because you're going to anyone
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  who's just like they're going to put is, hey, you in the shirt
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  the front were basically like, it's just like it's just I think
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  just my upbringing like growing up with my family.
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  We just kind of roasted each other all the time but like not
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  in a mean way, just kind of like you pick on the little things
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  and stuff like that and so I do that.
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  I mean, I do that to everyone. I know.
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  And then I did it once on stage and it worked.
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  And I was like, oh okay, alright, let's let's keep this
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  doing. You know, I always, you know,
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  the thing with comedies, you try to find the line and then you
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  try to go over the line, but you don't want to go too far over
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  because then, you know, it gets really bad really quick but for
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  From what I've done so far from what I've said to people so far
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  is that everyone's real kind of cool with it to appoint.
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  And the thing is, like, you have to be really aware of where that
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  point is once you get there because like, you can say
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  something to someone and it just hits them the wrong way and it's
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  like, okay, we're going to move on to something else now, but I
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  don't do that all the time. I do a lot of like observational
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  stuff. I started I actually started
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  with storytelling. And I was trying to do stories
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  because most Open Mic spots are about five minutes and it's it's
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  quite difficult to tell a good story in five minutes, chill.
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  And then my friend Hannah out in Barcelona, one day was just kind
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  of like, hey Max. Have you ever just told jokes?
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  And I was like, oh no. And she goes.
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  Hmm. And I was like, okay and I don't
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  think she definitely didn't mean.
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  I've talked to her about it like she definitely I didn't mean it
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  in a bad way but it was just kind of like, oh you've been
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  doing this a lot longer than I am.
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  And you seen like stories are good but you need jokes in the
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  story. So now with a longer set you
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  develop the through line to tell the story.
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  Sure. But you work out the jokes
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  before it. So now I do a lot of
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  observational stuff based around a theme.
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  So that when I have a longer look at 10, 15, 20 minutes set,
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  I can tell the entire story. And it makes it's a lot.
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  But yeah. 100%, Hannah did the right thing by just saying that
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  one day, I just love how blunt everyone is in Europe.
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  Like it's everywhere. I've been in Europe, but
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  everyone's just that honest, you get honesty, but just blunt and
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  it's like, there's no none of the dressing up, stuff, that
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  Americans and English people do. There's none of that is just
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  like now deal with it buddy. Something you should do.
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  Hey, Have you ever considered doing comedy that when you're
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  already doing it, when does The Comedy start, buddy?
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  Exactly, exactly. Okay, you took in about times
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  when you pick it, well, when you've dealt with people in the
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  crowd heckles and stuff, talk us through some of the times when
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  you've maybe messed up or when a interactions gone bad and what
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  happened, how did you deal with it?
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  Yeah. I think it was at like, it was I
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  think it was at an open mic the other day, it's no reason.
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  Damn, it happens, often. It's like the people, the people
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  that come to open mics are other Comics.
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  Oh, they're friends. And whoever just at the bar, so
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  see, that's a different kind of show though because that's a,
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  that's an audience of your peers.
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  So then I'm a Is really tough. It's, it's open mics.
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  I think are one of the hardest parts of Comedy because you're
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  trying to make people who do what you do laughs course.
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  Yes, Just Like Music. We're okay.
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  When I was used to play regularly live, a lot of the
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  time. Yeah, there wouldn't be anyone
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  in the audience might be one or two people but mostly it's just
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  you're playing two of the bands who don't care about your set,
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  they just went to play and that's like it's because I
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  People ask, you know, I talked about it a lot but it's like at
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  an open mic up until I perform. I'm thinking about my set right.
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  You know, I'll chit chat for a little bit but like I'm thinking
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  about what I'm going to say on the stage so I'm just I don't
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  listen very like sometimes, I'll catch more people on stage are
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  saying, but I think 80% of the time I'm not listening and it's
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  not like in a rude way. It's just like I have to pay
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  attention to what I'm going to do or else I'm going to get up
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  there and just eat it and it's not going to be good for me or
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  anybody, you know. And it's I can't you know I
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  don't speak for everybody but I from who I've talked to that's
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  very similar, it's like once you've performed, it doesn't
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  matter. You can listen, you can talk you
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  do whatever you want. But right up until that moment,
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  I think it's probably the same. Like, for if you have a role
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  like before you act before you're seeing, is there, you're
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  not. The same you you're paying
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  attention to what you're going to say because you have to do
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  and then after it's like, okay all done, here we go.
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  Let's party. That's very true and it was all
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  about the but I just didn't realize that comedians have to
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  deal with that because I feel like that's even more brutal.
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  Yes, at least. When like it's musicians,
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  watching other musicians, you can still kind of appreciate it
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  to some degree. Whereas I suppose her not to say
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  you wouldn't be critical because you might be but I don't know.
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  It just feels that the mediums different like I'd if I was a
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  comedian. Ian on stage in front of a bunch
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  of Comedians and I'm trying to make it.
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  I would just feel like intense pressure and that situation will
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  you do if it's exactly. It's like it's basically like if
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  you're performing music in front of your you know all the music
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  teachers you've ever had your parents, you know you're
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  performing in front of your peers.
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  So you want to do well because you want their approval and you
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  also that you know for the Evil audience members that are there.
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  You need them to also laugh but you can't focus on like one
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  party too much because the jokes like the jokes I take it, it's a
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  two comedians are probably a bit different than when I say to an
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  audience member because it's like when you're speaking to a
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  comedian you can kind of speak in shorthand looking code
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  because they get what you're saying or what you're trying to
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  do. Whereas like the joke I say to
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  an audience member is going to be much more elaborate a bit
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  more explained and broken down. I'm like that but yet back from
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  the tangent the other day I was at a mic and it was just like it
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  was just a drunk guy and he was just like he they were just
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  talking the whole time and it's just like, you know, it's one of
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  those things where it's like, they're at their regular bar.
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  And I also happen to be there that night trying to do
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  something You know think about like trying to incorporate
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  though. Just be like I don't know.
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  Like hey buddy. Let us in on the conversation.
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  Yeah, you know I do want to make a phone.
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  It's like that. You try to do that but then
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  sometimes it just doesn't hit. It's like there are times where
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  it's, you know, like if you pick up on what they're saying, you
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  can join into the conversation or if like, you know, you would
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  dress it, they realize what's happening and they get quieter
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  participate or whatever. But then there's other times, I
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  swear like you try to address it and it just doesn't work and
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  then the room is kind of lost. It's just a little awkward.
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  It's like okay, let's reel it back in on or try and see what
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  happens but I don't know. I usually just like in
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  circumstances where if I'm getting heckled, I think last
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  week there was a very drunk guy at a show and the host came up
• 20:46
  and he was like, hey, he's been heckling everybody.
• 20:50
  You know, try to do something with it.
• 20:52
  Oh, I abandoned all material and just like, started talking to
• 20:56
  him and just roasted him. And the thing is, like once,
• 20:59
  because that's all he wants, he wants to get made fun of.
• 21:03
  He wants to be a part of the show.
• 21:04
  Yeah. And if you do that, then they
• 21:07
  usually get quiet after. Yeah, but there's also been
• 21:11
  times where you do that and then they're like, I'm part of the
• 21:15
  show now. And then the next comedian comes
• 21:17
  up and they just get worse and worse because they're Well, that
• 21:20
  guy did it. So why don't you do it?
• 21:21
  It's like, well, they're different comedians, they're
• 21:25
  different people, they do different stuff.
• 21:28
  So, okay, best performance ever? And why?
• 21:31
  And then worst performance ever and why I've had limit, how many
• 21:38
  have you done so far? I mean, like, in terms of like
• 21:45
  an actual booked showcase performance probably 20 or so,
• 21:51
  but then it for like an open mic like and just getting on stage
• 21:54
  and doing three to five minutes of material.
• 21:57
  Well, into the hundreds diam, okay.
• 22:00
  That's what But I think my best like book show was probably
• 22:10
  there's a show. So here in Buffalo there's a big
• 22:13
  old church and it's called aspirate Hall and it's the folk
• 22:19
  singer Ani, DiFranco Andy DeFranco.
• 22:23
  I believe she's also from Buffalo but we can factor that
• 22:25
  one the church I think was going to be demolished.
• 22:30
  Something was going to happen to the church and then I need I go
• 22:33
  bought it. So it's you know, it's coined
• 22:35
  the church that I need to Franco save in the so it's a big music
• 22:40
  venue like Demetri Martin was there.
• 22:42
  Vampire Weekend played, they're like big Bands.
• 22:44
  Boom. It's a huge deal because it's
• 22:45
  the sanctuary, but in the basement is a small probably 80
• 22:51
  to 100 capacity room called babe Ville.
• 22:55
  And that room just for some reason.
• 22:58
  I think like it's just a location.
• 22:59
  The way the show is booked everything about It.
• 23:03
  It's just every time it's a hot room it's a great show and I was
• 23:08
  on that show in July and it was the first show that my parents
• 23:12
  had ever seen me. Do it just was like it was 10
• 23:15
  minutes and it was just hot hot hot hot, hot hot the whole time
• 23:20
  and you get off and you're just like that was sick.
• 23:22
  I'm the Best comedian ever. Everything's great.
• 23:24
  And then you go to an open mic the next day and it's awful.
• 23:26
  But that was it was just such a good good show and it's like
• 23:32
  Comedian, you talk to him? Buffalo will say.
• 23:34
  That's the hottest room just because of everything, I don't
• 23:38
  know. It's just like other Perfect
• 23:39
  Storm situation every month. It's a great place.
• 23:45
  Yeah. How about your worst show ever?
• 23:47
  Where shall I don't know every day?
• 23:49
  No, no. I mean you seem like you seem
• 23:52
  very confident. You've done a lot of shows and
• 23:55
  yeah, seems like you're dealing well with like the more negative
• 23:58
  instances which you would need to be able to do.
• 24:00
  But well, that's the thing. It's like you're gonna, you're
• 24:04
  gonna do good and you're gonna do poorly and you just have to
• 24:08
  be okay with it and you have to like, you have to learn from the
• 24:12
  poor, you know, you have to learn.
• 24:13
  From the good to see what happened.
• 24:15
  But you also have to learn from the poor to see what happened.
• 24:21
  There was one. So, like, starting out in Spain,
• 24:26
  a lot of the shows a lot of the mics and a lot of the shows had
• 24:30
  big audiences of non Comics which was really surprising
• 24:34
  like. So I got used to performing in
• 24:36
  front of people and then I did a show there and no one showed up.
• 24:45
  So is my first time performing in front of nobody, which is
• 24:48
  not. An uncommon thing in like early
• 24:52
  years of Comedy. But when you're used to
• 24:54
  something and then all of a sudden it's not I didn't know
• 24:57
  how to handle the silence. So, yes.
• 25:00
  So like okay. The sound Engineers there.
• 25:03
  And then that's it, right? And the other Comics that are on
• 25:06
  the show. Yeah.
• 25:07
  Okay. Yeah.
• 25:08
  And like a battering of other people, but like it's real.
• 25:12
  Like it was, I think it's like a 40 capacity room seven people
• 25:17
  were in it. Well, this place is a bit like
• 25:21
  professional wrestling, isn't it?
• 25:22
  Like you just got to do your best if it's seventy thousand,
• 25:26
  seven. People like, you got what they
• 25:27
  should say? I was, you know, I was a handful
• 25:30
  of weeks into it and I just didn't, you know, I would say a
• 25:33
  joke and then nothing would happen or was just like laughs.
• 25:37
  And I was just like, okay, I don't know what.
• 25:41
  I don't know how to handle this. Let's just say like deal off at
• 25:44
  all. Like, how do you personally do
• 25:45
  with it now? Yes.
• 25:48
  You kind of like you got a knot coz that on that show
• 25:52
  specifically I got into my own head about it and I was like,
• 25:56
  you're not doing well, you're doing poorly, you're not going
• 25:59
  to be a good person. You're going to be terrible
• 26:00
  comedian like while I'm on stage and it's like, okay.
• 26:04
  And I ended up I think I was supposed to do eight minutes
• 26:09
  maybe and I did five and I just laughed.
• 26:11
  I was like, I've run out of jokes.
• 26:14
  Did you say that? It's not like, I'm sorry, I've
• 26:16
  got nothing. I was just say, all right.
• 26:18
  Thank you. And then I went off stage and
• 26:20
  like the house was, like, why did you finish so early?
• 26:22
  I was like, I don't have anything else like and I showed
• 26:25
  her my notes and I was like, this is every joke that I've
• 26:27
  written and I just it it was gone.
• 26:30
  Oh God. Oh my God.
• 26:35
  I think that's I think that's the one difference because like
• 26:39
  writing jokes writing music performing jokes performing
• 26:42
  music. There's a lot of similarities,
• 26:44
  but the thing is like, If I'm standing on stage with a guitar,
• 26:50
  unless I hit the wrong note, I'm not going to bomb.
• 26:55
  Yeah, no one can be there. You don't, you don't necessarily
• 26:58
  need a reaction to play a three minutes of Music.
• 27:00
  You're going to have three minutes music anyway, but my 10
• 27:04
  minutes of jokes is 15 minutes if they're laughing, or it's six
• 27:09
  minutes if no one's laughing. I said, think about what your
• 27:13
  your let's say art form. But yeah, when cut off from
• 27:17
  your, from your form of art like is so heavily dependent on
• 27:20
  audience reaction and participation May again sort of
• 27:24
  bring back to wrestling because I'm a wrestling.
• 27:26
  But what during the pandemic, there was like no fans and it
• 27:31
  was like the first time this has ever happened with the exception
• 27:33
  of Empty Arena matches which were done on purpose and it was
• 27:37
  just a really odd kind of spectacle to seal this stuff.
• 27:41
  Being performed that we would otherwise regularly seen.
• 27:43
  We almost like trained to have a response to it or it would
• 27:48
  train. Sorry.
• 27:48
  Train to hear the audience response to it.
• 27:51
  Exactly. This is nothing and then like
• 27:53
  there's other instances as well like I don't know if you've ever
• 27:56
  watched Friends without the laughter track on, it's just
• 28:00
  pain. It's like you start.
• 28:03
  You start to realize like how well conditioned we are and
• 28:06
  actually how some of the jokes aren't even that funny.
• 28:07
  They're just kind of but dead may fall on.
• 28:10
  That's the thing. That's like with yeah, like
• 28:12
  rustling. It's such a huge crowd
• 28:15
  participation thing because, like, football, basketball
• 28:18
  baseball can all be played with no one watching.
• 28:21
  Yeah, you just doing it but like Russell with the weird but like
• 28:26
  you know, if Kane does a suplex on somebody and then goes like
• 28:30
  that and it's silent. He just looks like a weirdo, you
• 28:34
  know? And that was that was the big
• 28:37
  thing with the pandemic because People started doing Zoom
• 28:42
  comedy. Yeah and it's for I never did
• 28:46
  one but from what I heard it was like he was you just say a joke
• 28:50
  and then you just see like 50 screens of smiles.
• 28:55
  Because they're all muted because you don't want to be
• 28:57
  distracting. That's so weird.
• 28:59
  There's a there's a really funny clip it's similar to the friends
• 29:04
  think. It's do you know Jimmy Fallon.
• 29:07
  Yeah. He when the pandemic started and
• 29:10
  he had to host a show from his house monologue in his like you
• 29:15
  know living room and it was really weird because he'll just
• 29:18
  do it and there's nothing. And you can see on his face, you
• 29:23
  know, because he's a stand-up, he's an improviser, you can like
• 29:26
  he knows he needs that laugh and you can kind of see him like
• 29:29
  working at out on his face. Like what how why, wait if you
• 29:33
  say be so funny as well. If he went like, hey, how about
• 29:35
  those Democrats say, right? It's just anybody nothing.
• 29:39
  Nothing. Speaking a little bit more
• 29:54
  online audiences and shows and stuff.
• 29:56
  Do you have any sort of funny Heckler stories either from your
• 29:59
  personal experiences or watching other shows of other comedians?
• 30:02
  Anything like that at all? Yeah, at theirs.
• 30:10
  This comedian is a big Jay oakerson, he's an American
• 30:13
  comedian and he's on the show called Legion of skanks.
• 30:16
  He has the bonfire, he's a, he's a big comedian, but his material
• 30:22
  is a lot of crowd work-based. Like he has a lot of material,
• 30:27
  but he's also just such a good crowd worker, you know, talking
• 30:31
  to the crowd doing stuff like that.
• 30:33
  And I saw him here in Buffalo, a few weeks back and just the way
• 30:39
  not necessarily like one thing in particular, but just watching
• 30:42
  him work was like, Look, I'm masterclass.
• 30:47
  You know, because he liked he because there's like different
• 30:50
  kinds of crowd work. That's a crowd work where you're
• 30:52
  just riffing immediately on what they're saying and then there's
• 30:56
  like guided proud work where, you know, you kind of say like
• 30:59
  oh is anybody had a breakup recently?
• 31:02
  Because in the back of his mind he has a joke about breakups
• 31:05
  that he's going to get to. But he's gonna guide the crowd
• 31:08
  work to that joke without that person.
• 31:11
  Knowing And like that kind of stuff.
• 31:14
  He does that a lot and he was telling me, he was telling the
• 31:16
  story about I'm butchering it, but I think it was about beating
• 31:22
  up cops, but like it's, it was like, could you beat up like a
• 31:27
  thousand male cops, or 1,000 female cops, or something like
• 31:30
  that? And the guy he was just talking
• 31:32
  to just some random dude in the audience about it.
• 31:34
  The guy the response is that they were getting.
• 31:37
  I think it's part of his new our.
• 31:39
  So if you're seeing this spoiler alert But it was just like, it
• 31:44
  was just such a funny thing because the guy in the audience
• 31:46
  obviously has never thought of that before and all of a sudden
• 31:51
  J's. Like so, do you think you could
• 31:52
  do it? Do you think you could beat up a
• 31:53
  thousand police officers with this, you know, situation.
• 31:56
  And the guys just like I think I mean, I think I could and he's
• 32:00
  like you think you could like I don't, it was just stuff like
• 32:06
  that and then This dude, Stavros halkias, he's a from New York
• 32:13
  and he's I saw him a couple weeks back and he does a lot of
• 32:17
  just kind of riffing crowd work and there was a moment where he
• 32:25
  was talking to a kid in the audience and he's like, you know
• 32:28
  like what do you do? And a guy said he designs pools
• 32:32
  and he was like, what do you mean?
• 32:34
  Like just you did an oval that's a pool, you know, like what do
• 32:37
  you mean you And pools and Isabel.
• 32:40
  I went to school for engineering and then he goes.
• 32:42
  And then you ended up with pools like what happened between point
• 32:46
  a and point B here. And he starts talking to the
• 32:49
  other people at the table because they're all his friends
• 32:52
  from college and then he asked the one guy.
• 32:56
  He's like, you know, what did you go to school for?
• 32:59
  And he just goes because just the timing of it, which is
• 33:02
  perfect and he goes, I'm an engineer and the room just
• 33:06
  erupts because every it's Like this kid wanted to be an
• 33:09
  engineer, but now he's designing pools.
• 33:11
  None of his friends are Engineers, but this one guy
• 33:13
  succeeded, he became the engineer of the group and
• 33:18
  Stavros was dying on stage, like laughing.
• 33:21
  And then he's just kind of like, are you really an engineer?
• 33:24
  And the guys like yeah. And he just goes, this is this
• 33:27
  feels like a Santa Claus moment for me where I want to believe.
• 33:30
  So I'm not going to ask any more questions because I want to just
• 33:33
  leave that that answer right there because I don't care if
• 33:38
  you're Engineer. The timing was perfect.
• 33:40
  It was beautiful. We're moving on to the next
• 33:42
  subject. It's just like that.
• 33:46
  It's just crowd, work crowd, work is so funny because like,
• 33:48
  it's the most legitimate form of the comedian.
• 33:52
  It's like, because my materials are me, my jokes are me, but the
• 33:56
  prepared, the thought out there design.
• 34:00
  But like if I just ask you a question and my answer is my
• 34:03
  answer, that's 100% just me speaking.
• 34:07
  This is something I've always wondered about comedians, as
• 34:09
  well as because like I know that a lot of it can be got
• 34:12
  constructed in the sense that Not real, maybe it's like
• 34:16
  someone I don't know. Talking shit about their wife
• 34:18
  but they don't actually really mean it.
• 34:20
  But you know, they just make stuff up or you know there's
• 34:22
  that then sometimes you get people that are like now this
• 34:25
  this could actually be true. I think they're just like angry
• 34:28
  at life so they just make it into comedy.
• 34:31
  That at we're all pretty angry know every.
• 34:36
  I will say it for me. And for most of my friends are
• 34:39
  all of my friends. Every joke we write has truth in
• 34:43
  it. It may be a semi embellished
• 34:47
  version. but the base of the joke is true, like, I have I
• 34:56
  have a joke where I say, I talked about how I eat Cap'n
• 35:03
  Crunch. Do you have Captain Crunch in
• 35:04
  the UK? Captain Crunch?
• 35:06
  I think I've heard of sugary cereal, everything sugary had
• 35:09
  but yeah but yeah we don't I think we might, we might maybe,
• 35:12
  maybe it's basically just a super sugary tiled cereal and
• 35:17
  the joke about that. I have four kids no one over ten
• 35:25
  should be eating it but no one should eat it.
• 35:27
  It's just a bowl of sugar. I don't understand.
• 35:29
  Sorry. Okay, tangent here serious
• 35:32
  cereals. Do nothing for you and it's bran
• 35:34
  flakes is just my you see him just eat a bowl of sugar but it
• 35:39
  really is bad. That's the the joke that I have
• 35:42
  about it is that I say like hi my name is Max, I'm 27 years
• 35:45
  old, my hair lines entering its early 40s.
• 35:50
  I'm at the stage of my life where the cashier at the grocery
• 35:52
  store is questioning at the food.
• 35:54
  I'm buying this for me or for a child.
• 35:56
  You know, is this guy really going to eat four boxes of
• 35:59
  Captain Crunch this Week. Okay, yeah and then I talk about
• 36:03
  how like I've been eating chemicals every day since I was
• 36:05
  a kid, I currently have prescription toothpaste because
• 36:08
  my teeth are so bad and the true 100% because $25 a month.
• 36:18
  And that's the thing is like when I say you're like, there's
• 36:22
  no way this guy actually eats sugary kids cereal every day and
• 36:26
  then I was I was out with some friends and we were talking
• 36:30
  about breakfast and I was like, yeah, I had like Cocoa Puffs and
• 36:33
  they were just like, are you serious?
• 36:35
  They're like, wait, that's a truce joke.
• 36:37
  Like everything. I was like a hundred percent but
• 36:40
  like that's what I do excuse wig because you like you realize
• 36:44
  when you're growing up that it doesn't actually give you
• 36:46
  anything. Nothing.
• 36:47
  Yeah, that for a while. I don't know when I started
• 36:50
  drinking, coffee may be College age.
• 36:53
  I don't know, but like I remember like not eating
• 36:56
  breakfast. I'm a weirdo.
• 36:58
  I don't need breakfast. 8 big lunch, that's how I.
• 37:00
  But anyway, anytime I would eat breakfast toast, kind of helped
• 37:07
  I guess but like yeah anytime was a bowl of cereal.
• 37:10
  Nothing just yeah nothing, no, nothing at all.
• 37:13
  It's just, this is the time filler.
• 37:16
  I mean, it's pretty boss to either night-night time for
• 37:19
  something, I don't know. I like doing that the thing
• 37:21
  coming home till 2:00 in the morning, and then a nice bowl of
• 37:24
  sugary cereal. It's also the least amount of
• 37:27
  effort possible as Just Bowl crap.
• 37:30
  Milk spoon. Done exactly do it.
• 37:35
  That's why I do it every day. Fuck you said.
• 37:38
  I love cereal, man. I love cereal.
• 37:40
  Especially that granola shit. I see did that stuff is like I
• 37:46
  don't know. If there was an equivalent of
• 37:49
  like hard drugs that were legal for like middle class people,
• 37:53
  that's what it would be. It's just yeah man, just hmm.
• 37:58
  Hey man, you got any of that Kashi.
• 38:01
  Special gay. Brother me some of that good
• 38:04
  Nola brother that's when he quit working.
• 38:06
  Let's go. I know you got it, don't lie to
• 38:08
  me so that box I see that calyx behind you.
• 38:12
  Kellogg's is oh my God, Kellogg's is no, not Kellogg's
• 38:17
  crunchy not, do you have Jeanette cornflakes in the u.s.
• 38:20
  I think we might call it something else in the that stuff
• 38:24
  is the most addictive stuff I've ever had in my life.
• 38:27
  Like eats. I don't know what they put in
• 38:28
  it. Probably Cragger, but it just is
• 38:32
  so good. Well yeah, obviously it's so
• 38:35
  good. Is it huh?
• 38:37
  And then I don't know that. I remember watching going on a
• 38:40
  deep dive into cereals because some YouTuber that I like that
• 38:45
  does videos on it where he just exposes like, how bad everything
• 38:48
  That you love is he did one on cereals and yeah, I already knew
• 38:52
  that they were bad for you, but like, I didn't know that like a
• 38:55
  lot of them, you know, the ones that Special K or whatever where
• 38:58
  they try to say. Like, oh yeah, you just part of
• 39:00
  a special diet, right? It's like, the, the point with
• 39:04
  that, is that, like, the only thing that's actually healthy
• 39:07
  about the diet. Having that cereal, is
• 39:10
  everything else that you eat, aside from the cereal.
• 39:14
  There's that. Show the picture of the cereal.
• 39:15
  Some fruit orange, juice tea water.
• 39:18
  Literally, you could say that about anything, you could say
• 39:20
  that about something unhealthy, like, oh, you could eat 15 candy
• 39:24
  bars a day as part of a healthy diet, right?
• 39:27
  And then anything, all of this stuff over here?
• 39:30
  Yeah, it's up. But you just conveniently leave
• 39:32
  that out lights. Like exactly.
• 39:33
  Yeah, it's cereal that that's helping you lose weight and stay
• 39:36
  trim, right? Definitely.
• 39:39
  Yeah, the head stuff. We wouldn't we wouldn't lie to,
• 39:41
  you never know. It's definitely not the rest of
• 39:44
  your awesome diet. It's the Special K.
• 39:47
  It should be it. Legal man, but it really should
• 39:49
  be. I'm sorry, I don't know how long
• 39:52
  a Serial tangent will go on for but yeah but I just it's just so
• 39:57
  much in it. It's so bad and I think the
• 40:00
  thing that's worse about it is there is marketed to kids,
• 40:03
  that's the dodgy about it, you know?
• 40:04
  And I remember growing up with that and he obviously like they
• 40:08
  plaster a bunch of stuff over the boxes to make it more
• 40:10
  appealing to kids and stuff and, and you have it.
• 40:14
  And it's and it's great. Don't get me wrong, but it
• 40:16
  doesn't give you anything. It literally It's just a bowl of
• 40:19
  sugar and ya know, and I am, I'm a private example of it, working
• 40:25
  into adulthood. There's no reason that I need
• 40:33
  Cocoa Puffs or Reese's Puffs or anything every day.
• 40:36
  But I do it and I loved it so far that like going into
• 40:40
  McDonald's and Order and like a child male.
• 40:43
  And I like to look at they look at you funny in this like look
• 40:46
  at me all you want motherfucker. I don't care.
• 40:48
  I want that. Yeah, well that's all you, man.
• 40:51
  It's a good fucking toy. I don't want a burger.
• 40:53
  I want for chicken nuggets. I want right now.
• 40:58
  Oh my God. Those chicken nuggets, man.
• 41:01
  I remember. I remember there was some kid
• 41:05
  that I knew when I was growing up, who would just like
• 41:06
  purposefully? Spend a good 10 minutes like
• 41:10
  ripping. All of the Well, what are the
• 41:15
  skin? Yeah, off the chicken nuggets
• 41:16
  before he'd eventually eat. If you okay.
• 41:19
  No. See, okay.
• 41:22
  Now, do we know where he is? I don't know, but he probably
• 41:24
  got to be a serial killer. I think the skin is the worst
• 41:34
  part. Did he put the skin somewhere
• 41:37
  else or deleted eventually? No, you just didn't eat it.
• 41:40
  So, that's the right that's part.
• 41:42
  That is actually the best part. What's wrong with it chicken
• 41:45
  nugget? He's not okay, he's somewhere
• 41:55
  right now. He's probably just sitting in
• 41:59
  KFC. Staring into the abyss skin and
• 42:04
  getting chicken. All right, and he's here again.
• 42:10
  He skidded the chickens guys gonna chickens, okay, I'll just
• 42:13
  I'll leave you be there. Okay, you okay, sir, leave me
• 42:17
  alone. Let's get in the chicken.
• 42:20
  This is my me time. This is what I do.
• 42:27
  This is what I do for fun. I'm not talking to you.
• 42:46
  What is good comedy in your opinion?
• 42:49
  Somebody is killing chickens in a comedy.
• 42:55
  Anything I think. I mean, like anything that's
• 42:58
  funny. Anything that makes me laugh.
• 43:01
  What if it's such a dummy? I've seen so much comedy That if
• 43:11
  it's even if it's just a dumb little one liner and it makes me
• 43:16
  laugh rate. If it's just if you like I don't
• 43:20
  know anything funny. Like Mitch Hedberg, he's an
• 43:23
  amazing comedian. He's passed away but he's an
• 43:25
  amazing comedian. He had a joke about Donut
• 43:30
  receipts. He's like the joke is basically,
• 43:33
  like, why do I need a receipt for this donut?
• 43:35
  I'm never going to need to prove that I ate a donut and it's
• 43:39
  like, that's so dumb but it's funny.
• 43:42
  Like look at my stomach. Like exactly.
• 43:46
  There's the proof right here, right here.
• 43:48
  Here's the like you're never going to do that and it's just
• 43:51
  such a dumb little idea, but it's so funny.
• 43:56
  I'll comedian self-employed. I think technically, yeah, it
• 44:03
  was a lot of people. There's In the States.
• 44:07
  Because, you know, we have amazing taxes.
• 44:10
  There's fun little things. Shout out to the IRS, some nice,
• 44:19
  hm, Revenue & customs, and looking at you, they take your
• 44:23
  money. You basically register yourself
• 44:26
  as a business and then you register a business and you
• 44:29
  employ yourself through the business.
• 44:31
  I think that's what a lot of people do, so then also like,
• 44:35
  yeah, it's kind of weird and then also, but I think it helps
• 44:37
  like four If the comedian gets into like screenwriting or gets
• 44:43
  into putting like producing other projects.
• 44:47
  I think the business helps with that for like in terms of moving
• 44:51
  money around to allocate it and things like that.
• 44:54
  But yeah, we're I think we're all set.
• 44:57
  I think everybody self-employed scheme of it.
• 45:01
  So what you'll goes in comedy, what were you trying to do?
• 45:03
  Like G, is it? You're trying to get like a
• 45:05
  Netflix, special, you battling for Dave, Chappelle's position.
• 45:10
  Nor you want to try to do state your intentions, go to what you
• 45:20
  want to do. Pay rent.
• 45:22
  Hey dude if that's if that's the goal, I understand, man.
• 45:26
  Like I'd that's what I'm trying to do.
• 45:27
  I'm putting bar shifts at the moment, doing everything just to
• 45:30
  make the money rolling but it's not world.
• 45:33
  Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, it's good to
• 45:37
  have those goals. Definitely have the goal of
• 45:41
  wanting to put out and be known like be you know, have specials
• 45:45
  have all that. So like in terms of a career I'd
• 45:49
  like to be a working comedian. I'd like to be able to support
• 45:52
  myself while doing comedy. If that I mean like doing
• 45:57
  stand-up or doing writing gigs or doing anything, anything
• 46:01
  comedy related, You know, I'm a stand-up first, I'm going to do
• 46:06
  the other stuff also, but any capacity of being involved with
• 46:10
  comedy is what I would like to have as my career.
• 46:16
  But then also like I have goals in terms of just the jokes that
• 46:21
  I'm doing. I kind of like when I set out I
• 46:25
  wanted to have at least a half hour of new material every year.
• 46:32
  To start because I'm not doing that many shows.
• 46:35
  So it is hard to write like a fool because I day 10 like yeah.
• 46:39
  I'm gonna have an hour by the end of the year and then I
• 46:42
  actually learned how hard it is to right now our when you're not
• 46:47
  because we don't comedians work in increments of five minutes.
• 46:50
  Hmm Eve, right? Five minutes of jokes five
• 46:52
  minutes or five minutes of jokes and then you also have to
• 46:55
  whittle down those five minutes of jokes to be good.
• 46:57
  Five minutes of jokes. So it takes you have to dedicate
• 47:01
  a lot of time to get five minutes of material.
• 47:04
  So just starting out. If I'm not touring, I'm not
• 47:09
  doing you know, club shows every weekend 30 minutes a pretty
• 47:13
  realistic number and so and then once I get you know, on the road
• 47:20
  more I started more show doing more time.
• 47:23
  It becomes a bit easier to write the bigger the length of your
• 47:28
  sets. Because your Just doing more
• 47:30
  comedy more times a week. She had more changes to, right?
• 47:36
  What would you say are the most challenging aspects of being a
• 47:40
  comedian and comedy? The most challenging aspects.
• 47:49
  Just that doing it because it's so brutal.
• 47:57
  It's a very brutal industry because you're it's, you know,
• 48:01
  similar to being a musician. There's a lot of years where
• 48:05
  you're not doing anything. Hmm you know you're grinding
• 48:09
  you're working really hard probably similar to being an
• 48:13
  actor as well. Like there's a lot of time spent
• 48:16
  to get to that one thing. And not many people know about
• 48:20
  that time that you're working, you know, and then all of a
• 48:24
  sudden from that point you everybody's aware of what you're
• 48:28
  doing. But to get to this point is so
• 48:31
  much stuff very like whenever go come.
• 48:36
  Please so easy. It's so easy to get tutored by
• 48:39
  it because it's like you're doing five nights a week, two
• 48:42
  rooms of three people and it's like, oh, is this really a
• 48:47
  viable? Idea.
• 48:49
  And the big answer is no, but the fun answer is yes, and it's
• 48:56
  just, like, just not quitting, just keeping it.
• 48:59
  Keeping keeping keeping, and hopefully, it all works out at
• 49:02
  some point. You see, ya say exactly how I
• 49:07
  feel like, I feel this way all the time with acting my podcast,
• 49:12
  my content, creating online, you name it, and it's dislike.
• 49:18
  Sometimes I like to like, if I'm feeling more positive about
• 49:21
  things, I like to sit down and imagine that like these are the
• 49:23
  stories. I'll tell one day sitting on a
• 49:25
  talk show. And but I guess there was a time
• 49:27
  when I was doing this this this and this and this and then
• 49:30
  became a star and, you know, but I lived a normal life and it was
• 49:34
  hard and these were my struggles.
• 49:36
  I like to like imagine that sometimes so I don't feel quite
• 49:39
  so pathetic and failure. Just like this.
• 49:44
  Like to imagine like all like being on the on the Oscar poll.
• 49:48
  Maybe like, I'd like to thank me myself and me.
• 49:53
  No one else. Having a good day?
• 49:54
  I did it all myself motherfucker.
• 49:56
  No, yeah, I miss ya. You got it.
• 50:00
  Yeah, you got to keep going. You got to keep trying and
• 50:04
  that's how you get better, isn't it?
• 50:06
  You know, I mean when it comes to the podcast, I thought by now
• 50:09
  it's been two years. I thought I'd be like sponsored.
• 50:12
  I'd have like millions of fault. Why I didn't think.
• 50:15
  I thought I'd at least have like maybe a couple hundred people
• 50:17
  listening. And the reality is it hasn't
• 50:19
  gone that way, but there have been positives that have
• 50:22
  happened as well. Like, I get to talk to amazing
• 50:25
  people from around the world, such as yourself and learn about
• 50:28
  things. I know nothing about like I have
• 50:29
  a very superficial knowledge of Comedy but they talking to
• 50:32
  yourself. I could learn a lot more about
• 50:34
  it from your personal lens. And one thing that I really like
• 50:38
  doing with this show is kind of not only exploring a person's
• 50:42
  life but kind of gaming knowledge and insight from that
• 50:45
  person and then sharing that with the world you know in
• 50:48
  reform. Of content and that's something
• 50:50
  I really love about that. But it's what I found with
• 50:53
  acting which I guess maybe similar to Comedy is as you say,
• 50:57
  you don't always get work, sometimes you get a lot work,
• 50:59
  sometimes you get nothing. And that makes me personally.
• 51:03
  Appreciate it a lot more. One thing I can relate to you.
• 51:06
  On with regards to just the numbers wise is I do regular
• 51:11
  live streams on Tick-Tock and so does it makes me laugh because I
• 51:16
  generally get about Five people. If I'm lucky, maybe sometimes
• 51:21
  it's more sometimes less, what happens actually which is quite
• 51:25
  funny. Is that there's a lot of people
• 51:26
  following me that regularly check in but they don't all
• 51:29
  check in at the same time because yeah, okay.
• 51:31
  Busy. They got lives, whatever right
• 51:33
  and and I love them all their wonderful awesome people.
• 51:38
  But they're not always always around and sometimes I just
• 51:40
  check in the be no one there or they be like two people there
• 51:43
  and I sometimes someone to come in and be like Did you really
• 51:46
  good? Why don't why don't you have
• 51:47
  more people here? And I'm not Anna questions out
• 51:51
  of, fuck. You tell me, man.
• 51:53
  What we did wrong. Why not?
• 51:56
  Cause I've had people say that like, oh, this shows doing
• 51:59
  really well, I love what you're doing.
• 52:00
  I'm like, thank you. So could tell your friends, tell
• 52:03
  other people, let's go, come on. Do you know what one thing I've
• 52:05
  actually started doing? I don't know if you do this but
• 52:08
  like I used to have a rule that I know I'm still I go back and
• 52:13
  forth on this generally speaking.
• 52:15
  Don't tell people in real life about everything that I'm doing
• 52:18
  because I don't want to be like that guy that's like, hey, come
• 52:20
  check me out. Check out everything I'm doing
• 52:22
  yet. But at the same time, it's like
• 52:25
  you got to promote yourself. Exactly.
• 52:28
  And so now every once in a while I try to do that and I feel
• 52:31
  awkward about it, I'm still not quite okay with it but I've
• 52:36
  started doing it a bit more. Like do you do that?
• 52:38
  Do you tell people real life? Like, hey, I'm a comedian.
• 52:41
  Come see a show sometime No, that's lame man.
• 52:48
  No, no. I do do it.
• 52:50
  I do that. I from what I if it's somebody
• 52:54
  like if it's within my friend group or my acquaintances, I'll
• 52:58
  for sure. Tell him like if I have a show
• 53:00
  coming up and stuff like that but there's been moments like
• 53:04
  when I was down in Austin, I was in Austin, Texas for about a
• 53:08
  week just doing stuff for comedy and almost every Uber I got into
• 53:14
  I'm a huge fan and you can tell me that this is American and
• 53:19
  mean and everything. But I'm a huge fan of not
• 53:23
  talking. In an Uber, if the driver does
• 53:26
  not talk to me, they get five stars and a great tip.
• 53:30
  If they talk to me I immediately hate them.
• 53:34
  I don't know what it is about me.
• 53:36
  I think like just being like the New York Taxi.
• 53:41
  Every New York Yellow Cab I ever took.
• 53:43
  They Ever talked to me, and I took those a lot before I got
• 53:46
  into Ubers, so that's what I was used to and what I became
• 53:50
  accustomed to. And then Uber came out and it's
• 53:53
  like, oh, you're driving with a friend, like, know hacha get me
• 53:58
  to the destination. I don't want to talk to you.
• 54:01
  What's your worst having to listen to an Uber driver story?
• 54:04
  What it's the, the, and this is the thing, it's every time I get
• 54:06
  into an Uber, and they talk to me, they say, what do you do?
• 54:10
  And it's like, okay, I can either tell them about My day
• 54:14
  job, that's currently paying the bills, but they're not going to,
• 54:18
  you know, then that's going to open up more lines of questions.
• 54:22
  Or I can tell them I'm a comic and that could go one of two
• 54:26
  ways they say cool? Or they say, tell me a joke and
• 54:30
  it's almost always tell me a joke and I hate it because it
• 54:35
  was just purposely tell us shit, Joe.
• 55:14
  Helen States aren't going to work at a context here.
• 55:16
  Like, oh my God, what's that stupid?
• 55:21
  Cupid G-rated joke. You've sparked my curiosity?
• 55:25
  Yeah. What do you call an alligator?
• 55:27
  And a vest. I don't know.
• 55:31
  What do you call an alligator in diverse and investigator?
• 55:35
  What do you call an alligator? That's also a detective.
• 55:38
  I don't know, what do you call a medicated?
• 55:40
  That's also a detective and investigator.
• 55:44
  What do you call an ass here? Who participates in the second
• 55:47
  alligator jokes. Man, why you so obsessed about
• 55:52
  that participates in the stock market?
• 55:54
  Other than what a good businessman.
• 55:57
  Just kidding investigator. I usually and that's usually the
• 56:03
  reaction that I get from that joke.
• 56:06
  It's just like decision. To be fair, I I feel with you on
• 56:19
  that one. I've I've seen that happen.
• 56:22
  I've heard that happen so many times to those Troopers Juke and
• 56:25
  you fuck. I've had that I've because I
• 56:26
  don't I don't consider myself a comedian or funny at all, but
• 56:30
  I've sometimes stated that I do comedic stuff online like, you
• 56:35
  know, tick-tocks all videos whatever right.
• 56:38
  But I'm not necessarily like, yeah, because you get people set
• 56:40
  up or is this supposed to be funny?
• 56:41
  And it's that well, maybe some people find it funny, maybe not,
• 56:44
  it's all subjective, you know. The time, I just do it because
• 56:47
  it makes me laugh. And I'm laughing at my jokes.
• 56:52
  Yeah, hi. I'm so funny.
• 56:57
  That's it. Yeah, to me, that's like, that's
• 57:01
  I think Jimmy Carr talks about it in one of his or Jimmy Carr.
• 57:05
  Ricky Gervais is one of the, two of them talk about it in their
• 57:07
  specials. Where comedy is, you know?
• 57:12
  Oh yeah, yeah, I think it was, I think it was Jimmy Carr solid
• 57:15
  gold greatest hits that special. He talks because Jimmy Carr, you
• 57:19
  know, he opens up the room to heckling for like a couple
• 57:21
  minutes just to get it over with.
• 57:23
  And somebody said, you know, when do the joke start and he's
• 57:26
  You know, that's the important thing is like, when do the joke
• 57:29
  start because for some of the people that jokes have been this
• 57:31
  entire time, but if you didn't like those jokes in the jokes,
• 57:33
  haven't started yet and that's the thing.
• 57:35
  It's a comedy. So subjective that like, you
• 57:38
  know, you might find it funny and he might not but he might
• 57:40
  find it funny and you might not and that's fine somewhere in
• 57:44
  there. The jokes are still funny and it
• 57:46
  just kind of you got to find what you find funny, which
• 57:49
  probably isn't in the back of an Uber.
• 57:52
  So that's all you Uber drivers. Listen, they let me ride in
• 57:57
  peace to do. I agree with that, too.
• 58:00
  I don't it depends what mood I'm in, but sometimes, I don't want
• 58:05
  to talk and then they start talking to me.
• 58:07
  And I'm like, hmm! Yeah, yeah!
• 58:12
  Oh, really! Uh-huh!
• 58:14
  Yeah, yeah. I was in, I was in, I was in New
• 58:18
  York, the other week and it was, yeah, it was last week because
• 58:21
  the queen guy, It was the day the queen died.
• 58:23
  I was in New York and I was in a new birth.
• 58:26
  She shouldn't have lost him. I was just like, oh yeah, it's
• 58:30
  long. It's like just kidding, calm
• 58:33
  down. It was a really weird.
• 58:34
  It was a weird situation because like I got on the plane the
• 58:37
  queen was alive and I got off the plane and suddenly the queen
• 58:40
  was dead. I was like I guess I think I
• 58:41
  missed something there. I was at jobs walking in the bar
• 58:44
  is really weird. So there was a football match
• 58:48
  on. Yeah, that was loan later in the
• 58:50
  day and it was loaded. Banished fans.
• 58:53
  So the bar was smashed and I was just kind of like and then
• 58:56
  everyone left, we were tidying up.
• 58:58
  And then this guy older gentleman came over to the bar
• 59:02
  and just looked at because there's like a TV behind us on
• 59:05
  the wall. Yeah.
• 59:06
  And it's just like oh and I was like what?
• 59:10
  Copy true and then look at the TV and then Queen is started as
• 59:14
  I thought. Wow.
• 59:15
  And I wasn't like sad or anything like that.
• 59:18
  I'm not like I mean I'm sad in the sense that like he's like,
• 59:21
  oh that's Unfortunate. You know that's yeah, whatever.
• 59:24
  I'm not particularly a big fan of the monarchy or anything but
• 59:27
  I was just that are but the bigger thing that I felt was It
• 59:30
  was kind of weird like surreal a bit like I'm not by any means
• 59:36
  comparing a bit like the same feeling of like when 9/11
• 59:39
  happened or something. Yeah, that you remember, where
• 59:41
  you were or you remember the feeling like this is odd?
• 59:44
  It was like oh okay that's weird.
• 59:47
  Yeah. I think that's like from what a
• 59:49
  lot of the Americans. Hmm.
• 59:52
  Because a Lot of Americans, follow the monarchy chick, they
• 59:55
  follow the Kardashians. Like, it's just kind of like,
• 59:57
  which I don't get it, I do not, I don't understand.
• 59:59
  Because people ask me all the time, particularly I got, I got
• 1:00:02
  actually got a bunch of messages from people like, oh my
• 1:00:04
  condolences, and I was just like, I'm not related to them,
• 1:00:08
  and that's not my grandmother know, like, it's sad, don't get
• 1:00:11
  me wrong but I without sounding harsh, like it doesn't affect my
• 1:00:15
  life. Like, I think that's the thing
• 1:00:18
  was, like, people in America. It's at?
• 1:00:20
  Yeah. It's a very simple.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, it is. It is that Real moment of like,
• 1:00:23
  oh, because it's one of those things that you don't think
• 1:00:25
  about, you don't think about the clean dying.
• 1:00:28
  And the thing, what, you know, she was what the Queen's for 75
• 1:00:30
  years. Yeah, yeah, it's odd like
• 1:00:34
  there's people that were born and died with only her as the
• 1:00:37
  queen. Hmm.
• 1:00:41
  I think that the weirdest thing for me, Is like how now there's
• 1:00:46
  going to be a king and he's King Charles, the Third as well,
• 1:00:50
  which is kind of weird. I like everything changes.
• 1:00:55
  The money changes stamps. Change iconography changes.
• 1:00:59
  I saw something the other day that said that like anything
• 1:01:03
  that has the Royal seal because we have this thing in the UK's.
• 1:01:05
  It's kind of weird. We're certain products
• 1:01:09
  particularly ones that have been around for a long time.
• 1:01:10
  So like Heinz you make yeah ketchup and beans or whatever
• 1:01:13
  saw that. I saw that they have to change
• 1:01:17
  the Royal seal that they have which I never really got that.
• 1:01:21
  I feel I feel like it's kind of like A stamp of approval.
• 1:01:23
  Like yes it's like beans endorsed by the queen, you know,
• 1:01:27
  for this kind of a little bit, it's always that.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah it's like but I think it also means that are supplied to
• 1:01:35
  the royal family in some instances as well.
• 1:01:38
  I know that that's the case with maybe Tate Lyle and waitrose the
• 1:01:45
  supermarket here in the UK. I think there's something to
• 1:01:49
  that but yeah just it's going to be weird.
• 1:01:53
  How everything's going to change.
• 1:01:54
  Also, there's a lot of people talking about how it might
• 1:01:56
  affect politics because little known fact, there are still some
• 1:02:00
  powers that the monarchy actually has in relation to
• 1:02:04
  politics. So, for example, the monarchy
• 1:02:07
  has the ability to like start and stop Parliament.
• 1:02:11
  And for instance, if a particular Parliament is
• 1:02:15
  regarded as like corrupt or unfit for office, the king or
• 1:02:18
  queen can actually interject in that situation and force.
• 1:02:22
  Them to form a new government which I was on.
• 1:02:25
  And also any major law that's passed has to be signed off by
• 1:02:28
  the king or queen. Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  See that's like my parents, you know?
• 1:02:33
  Because I lived in Spain, I had British friends.
• 1:02:35
  So I to my parents, I'm the leading Authority on anything
• 1:02:38
  Europe, I really like so like what is the monarchy do?
• 1:02:41
  And I was like, I don't know, I don't care, man is King but I
• 1:02:47
  cannot tell you about those guys.
• 1:02:50
  It's yeah, I just it was like, but the Uber driver was we got
• 1:02:57
  in the car and he's like did you see the queen died?
• 1:02:59
  I was like, oh that's that's a triple going to have, okay?
• 1:03:04
  And then it was a 15 minute trip.
• 1:03:07
  Thankfully talking about talked about the monarchy the whole
• 1:03:10
  time and I was like, yeah, it's a crazy thing I guess I don't
• 1:03:15
  know. It was like, why do you know so
• 1:03:17
  much about this gonna look in a way?
• 1:03:19
  It's kind of weird. The two Americans to be talking
• 1:03:21
  about it, but not nothing against that or anything.
• 1:03:23
  It's just, it's just odd. I think it was, it's one of
• 1:03:26
  those things where like it was either.
• 1:03:29
  Okay. We could talk about nothing.
• 1:03:31
  We could talk about where I'm from or we could talk about the
• 1:03:35
  Hot Topic of the news today. And I think that was the hottest
• 1:03:38
  topic. Is he had on, he had on like the
• 1:03:43
  CNN livestream and like so he would just been listening to it
• 1:03:47
  the entire day and I was just like, yeah, let's dive into this
• 1:03:51
  one, here we go. To be fair, I I'm Gillian.
• 1:03:54
  I'm and when the Amber Heard troll was on, I wish I just had
• 1:03:57
  that shit on every single day because it was just meme
• 1:04:00
  Central. And I've learned more about the
• 1:04:04
  royal family in the last week. Dude, it is, it is interesting.
• 1:04:10
  There are interesting aspects to it but I'm from the USA.
• 1:04:14
  It they don't want in the he told them to get out. 200, 200
• 1:04:21
  years ago, we fought the British and we one God and Glory.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, he's kind of weird innit. Like I remember when I was a
• 1:04:30
  kid, there was a an Air Force Base across the road from where
• 1:04:35
  we lived. I was awesome because I was when
• 1:04:38
  I grew up in the 90s to early 2000s and we didn't really have
• 1:04:44
  Halloween here. It wasn't a thing, but was it
• 1:04:46
  was big in the states. And so the Americans kind of
• 1:04:51
  just like introduced us to that and it was awesome.
• 1:04:53
  Obviously, as a kid like, hey, free sweets, get to dress up as
• 1:04:56
  I could ghost or whatever as fun.
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  And also, I remember that they would celebrate the Fourth of
• 1:05:02
  July in this like Park. That was right next to where the
• 1:05:06
  base was. Oh, yeah.
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  And it was brilliant. Ain't like, I got to try like
• 1:05:11
  corn dogs for the first time disgusting.
• 1:05:13
  I got to trip. Yeah, I've got another thing
• 1:05:15
  about that in a second, as well. Actually, I just had it.
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  Now, I remember going to a wrestling show.
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  I think it's like Smackdown, and that 2005.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah. Ever in London, and I remember
• 1:05:25
  queuing up outside and there was just the deathly stench of corn
• 1:05:29
  dogs. It was, I was I, what is that?
• 1:05:31
  Someone said, oh, it's condos and I was like, like, I actually
• 1:05:34
  felt like throwing up. There was just so much.
• 1:05:38
  I don't know, hydrogenated fats, whatever.
• 1:05:40
  You know, like a pancake wrapped around a hot dog, bro.
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  That's the name. I like pancakes.
• 1:05:47
  I don't like corn dogs. That's just sickly.
• 1:05:51
  They're nice if they're cooked right there.
• 1:05:52
  Good. Oh, and What's the diff?
• 1:05:56
  That's basically a sausage roll in it.
• 1:05:59
  No, cuz sausage roll is amazing. Corn dog is disgusting.
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  I would die on this hill. I don't care because I love him,
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  and that's damn it. I'm right.
• 1:06:14
  And you're wrong. And that's it.
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  I'll start from the beginning part of the world.
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  So I don't know if that's the leading Authority on food,
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  critics, but anyway wasn't. So, yeah, they would do the, the
• 1:06:25
  Fourth of July celebrations. And, yeah, I was just like, Yay,
• 1:06:28
  celebrate right fireworks and all that.
• 1:06:29
  And then, let's got older. I kind of realized how weird it
• 1:06:32
  is for America, celebrate Fourth of July, In the UK, which was
• 1:06:37
  that the whole point of it is you celebrate independence from
• 1:06:40
  the UK? Yeah, but then, I don't notice
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  is changed. Isn't it like it's ancient
• 1:06:45
  history. Ha ha.
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  But it's yeah it's weird and the relationship our nation's have
• 1:06:51
  is odd. Like I remember joking about it
• 1:06:54
  during the Blair and Bush years about how they would call it the
• 1:06:57
  special relationship and it always sounded like a bit of an
• 1:07:00
  underhanded like homosexual relationships.
• 1:07:02
  Here are bearing blaring Bush. It's Like oh yes, the way I
• 1:07:07
  always saw it is that America's like imagine, you know, you and
• 1:07:10
  the playground right. I think I saw some comedians say
• 1:07:13
  this is well where it's like America is like I'm gonna kick
• 1:07:16
  your ass and then Britain is behind going.
• 1:07:19
  Yeah we're just we just the guy that goes
• 1:07:34
  Isn't afraid to be the bad guy but the UK was really cool with
• 1:07:39
  putting America, the bad guy and just kind of hanging out at the
• 1:07:43
  back will because we're the bad guys too.
• 1:07:46
  We tried to present ourselves as the good guys but know if you
• 1:07:48
  look go back and look into British history, we are
• 1:07:49
  definitely not the good guys just just saying that just so,
• 1:07:53
  you know, definitely that I try not to think about.
• 1:07:57
  I tried to just live in the now and be like, do you know what?
• 1:07:59
  I'm just going to be a good person and and try and do that.
• 1:08:02
  Like not try and focus on the horrid.
• 1:08:04
  History. But then again, every every
• 1:08:07
  country has this a good and a bad side.
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  It's like you just have to try not to focus on the bad stuff as
• 1:08:14
  much as you can. But it is kind of horrified that
• 1:08:17
  I remember. I remember going to Ireland, for
• 1:08:18
  example and learning about how much they hate.
• 1:08:21
  Churchill. Yeah.
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  And I was just kind of like thrown by that and then I read
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  into it and learn about other, okay?
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  And I was just like stuff, I didn't know like, and again,
• 1:08:30
  this is alleged. I don't know if there's actually
• 1:08:32
  happened, but there's a story that goes around that says that
• 1:08:34
  He had some involvement with fighting the IRA and it led to
• 1:08:40
  unfortunately, like some people but innocent bystanders being
• 1:08:46
  killed. I was like, I never knew about
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  this, but of course you wouldn't be taught about it in in
• 1:08:51
  England. Okay.
• 1:08:52
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
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  And it's just interesting, you know, that was the first time I
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  went to Europe, I did, I think, probably two weeks a week and a
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  half, two weeks in Ireland and Northern Ireland and like going
• 1:09:06
  from, I went Dublin Galway cork Belfast and it was just like
• 1:09:11
  Dublin, you know, being a major city, it's pretty mixed in terms
• 1:09:14
  of political views and things like that, but then going to
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  Galway was like, oh, this is like going away and cork like oh
• 1:09:21
  this is actually the real part of Irish politics.
• 1:09:25
  Like this is how they feel and then getting up to Belfast and
• 1:09:28
  just seeing the juxtaposition between The two different ideas
• 1:09:34
  of like, you know, who's who was in the right who's in the wrong
• 1:09:39
  and then doing in Belfast, they have the Black Cab tour to give
• 1:09:44
  you a tour of everywhere, the troubles were happening.
• 1:09:47
  And like to go to the peace wall, things like that, and it
• 1:09:50
  was cool to hear that side. But then a friend of my uncles
• 1:09:54
  as from Belfast and he took me on a tour up to the Giant's
• 1:09:58
  Causeway and things like that. But I, you know, I asked him.
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  I was like you're from. Here you go.
• 1:10:01
  Grew up in this. What do you think about it?
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  And a lot of he grew up in Northern Belfast.
• 1:10:07
  So I think that's the Protestant side.
• 1:10:10
  I could be wrong but he grew up in the more, the knock Catholic
• 1:10:14
  sorry of the city and telling talking about that was very
• 1:10:17
  interesting to hear because like they would, they were talking
• 1:10:19
  about the same story from two different sides, you know?
• 1:10:25
  And then even going to the museums in Belfast and like the
• 1:10:27
  Museum's on the Northern side of the city said this stuff and the
• 1:10:30
  Museum's on the side. Side of the city said the same
• 1:10:33
  thing, but just they flipped around who was at fault and it's
• 1:10:36
  like, we don't really have that in America too much.
• 1:10:39
  I think we do like with the Civil War but not to the same
• 1:10:42
  extent of like such dramatic differences between who's right?
• 1:10:46
  Who's wrong, or why it happened. Why it didn't happen this way
• 1:10:49
  things like that? I don't know.
• 1:10:51
  I mean you'll political situation is interesting
• 1:10:56
  because, like, here in the UK we have Similar, but like for
• 1:11:00
  instance, conservatives are the UK equivalent of the Republicans
• 1:11:04
  but very different. Like, I think even Trump when he
• 1:11:07
  was in office stated the sort of mockingly about the
• 1:11:11
  conservatives. He said bar there too liberal
• 1:11:13
  and he's right, technically, he's right by comparison.
• 1:11:17
  They are very much so yeah. Okay, yeah so far like in the
• 1:11:21
  today since we do but I mean like in the historical sense
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  like we don't have Oka city with a wall running through it.
• 1:11:28
  Buck, you know, because of things that happened, like yeah,
• 1:11:32
  hundred percent of the Republicans or the Democrats in
• 1:11:34
  this country are absolutely absurd.
• 1:11:39
  It's just like, it's like, come on guys, you got him everywhere,
• 1:11:42
  though, we have it here in the UK, we had a party called you
• 1:11:47
  Kip, who were basically X Tory's that were not happy.
• 1:11:53
  So then they made their own it all.
• 1:11:56
  Party. I'm not gonna go into details
• 1:11:57
  about it, you can look it up online.
• 1:11:59
  You first, it's interesting. Why is that a really I think
• 1:12:03
  jamali Maddox the UK comedian? He has a show on Vice called
• 1:12:06
  hate thy neighbor and they did stuff with you kept and it was
• 1:12:11
  really it's really interesting but that's also like in terms of
• 1:12:15
  pollen, speaking of politics and tying it a little bit to Comedy,
• 1:12:19
  it's a weird thing to do because you don't you don't want to be
• 1:12:24
  labeled as One side, you want to be able to talk about both
• 1:12:28
  sides, but you say that but then like, well, I suppose it's bit
• 1:12:33
  different. Let's go because give the
• 1:12:34
  example of like late night TV show hosts, who are also
• 1:12:37
  comedians sometimes and they'll often pick a side and then just
• 1:12:40
  spend that they're opening monologue.
• 1:12:43
  Just like part of it just bashing a particular party or
• 1:12:45
  whatever and it's I don't like I have I've had a lot of people
• 1:12:49
  speak about that and say that they would rather that wouldn't
• 1:12:51
  exist in a show like that. I tend to agree like I think
• 1:12:53
  those sorts of shows should Ideally be free from politics
• 1:12:57
  because he feels very like, I don't know.
• 1:13:00
  Like it's like telling people off.
• 1:13:03
  It's like very like mmm. And it's like, it's supposed to
• 1:13:06
  be like a light-hearted talk show.
• 1:13:08
  And then there's, you know, and also, it will go from like a
• 1:13:10
  rant about, let's say, like Trump or Biden wherever and then
• 1:13:13
  it will go into like some skit. They did that's like supposed to
• 1:13:18
  be fun and it's like I'm related to that would be totally
• 1:13:21
  different. Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  And it's just like, this is a weird juxtaposition.
• 1:13:25
  Is this is that The same show. Like I think, I think the Trump
• 1:13:30
  years of America, good time for comedy, right?
• 1:13:35
  I'm down with you but also for, like, the shows for like The
• 1:13:38
  Daily Show and, like, Last Week Tonight, with John Oliver and
• 1:13:43
  Real Time with Bill Maher, those shows, I think really started to
• 1:13:49
  pick a side during the Trump ears, because the stuff Trump
• 1:13:53
  was doing was so out. Outlandish that if you even
• 1:13:57
  sided with him a little bit, it was crazy.
• 1:14:00
  Yeah, you know, it was media death, if you were just like,
• 1:14:04
  yeah, you know what, he had a good point there like you didn't
• 1:14:07
  want to do that at all. So, I think I think prior to
• 1:14:11
  Trump, like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, Amy Trevor Noah has
• 1:14:16
  an excellent host of The Daily Show, but I think prior to
• 1:14:19
  Trump, those shows did a bit better at flipping between the
• 1:14:24
  different sides and like talk. about it, but I think just good
• 1:14:28
  old Donnie came in and made everything just such like,
• 1:14:34
  cut-and-dry, you have to be this, or you have to be this
• 1:14:36
  situation. How do you feel about bringing
• 1:14:40
  politics into comedy about your personal?
• 1:14:42
  But if you try and do it sometimes I do, I do. it's, you
• 1:14:49
  have to be very delicate because you don't know, Like that.
• 1:14:57
  So, for example, like I have a joke about the vaccine.
• 1:15:02
  Okay. And I, you know, I'm a my have a
• 1:15:05
  lot of degrees. I will have 2 degrees 52 degrees
• 1:15:07
  in science. I'm a scientific person.
• 1:15:09
  So, like the vaccine the entire time, like vaccines, in general,
• 1:15:14
  makes sense to me, just because I've been exposed to science for
• 1:15:17
  so long that like, You know, vaccines they just I understand
• 1:15:22
  the concept, I understand the process and all that, but I also
• 1:15:25
  know that like the literacy rate in the u.s. is not very high.
• 1:15:30
  It's a fourth grade. The average reading level in the
• 1:15:32
  u.s. is of u.s. 4th grade reading level.
• 1:15:35
  So there's a lot of people Who just don't have access to the
• 1:15:40
  education that I did, which plays into why people don't
• 1:15:46
  like, don't or say they don't like, because they don't
• 1:15:49
  understand different scientific things that are happening,
• 1:15:53
  right? So you have to really be there's
• 1:15:58
  a lot. If you're going to talk about
• 1:16:00
  politics in your set, you have to do a lot of background
• 1:16:04
  research, mine. Because you can just there's
• 1:16:07
  some people, you could just go out and start making fun of
• 1:16:10
  them, but that's not really fun for anybody.
• 1:16:14
  Yeah. You know, if you're, if you're
• 1:16:17
  making a joke to make a joke and it's really well written and
• 1:16:22
  well executed, then those people will also lack because, like
• 1:16:27
  Buffalo Buffalo New York. It's a city of about 300,000
• 1:16:31
  people and historically the city T votes Democrat.
• 1:16:38
  Just outside the city for the majority of New York State vote.
• 1:16:43
  Republican So there's, you know, because New York, New York's are
• 1:16:48
  really weird state in general, because New York City, is the
• 1:16:51
  biggest city in the state, and its nine million people.
• 1:16:55
  And then, the next biggest is Buffalo at 300,000, you know?
• 1:17:00
  It's insane. And so like all the cities in
• 1:17:04
  New York, vote blue. But vote Democrat everywhere
• 1:17:09
  else. Every if you look at like a
• 1:17:11
  voting map, New York, every other part of the state is red.
• 1:17:15
  They vote Republican. So you have this weird mix of
• 1:17:20
  the city, people voting liberal and the everyone else voting
• 1:17:24
  conservative. So at your, in your audience,
• 1:17:27
  you have that mix too and you just don't, you don't want to
• 1:17:33
  lean too much to one side because then you're alienating a
• 1:17:38
  percentage of the audience. I feel like as well in the
• 1:17:44
  states that it It's a lot more divisive but it's not to say
• 1:17:47
  that we're not divisive hearing politics because we absolutely
• 1:17:49
  are but he doesn't want polite about it because you did.
• 1:17:54
  It's somehow I don't know. Like, in the state's it's like
• 1:17:56
  the sort of thing that people will almost win, throw hands
• 1:17:59
  over sometimes. Then he was worried that if
• 1:18:01
  you're a comedian doing a show and you offend someone like I
• 1:18:05
  could be a potentially dangerous moment like for you depending on
• 1:18:08
  what's been said and how it's done.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah. So, I mean so far that yeah, you
• 1:18:16
  just duck. The thing is, I think or I hope
• 1:18:26
  the people and this is I think I mean a lot of big comedians.
• 1:18:29
  Talk about this. Like, you came to a comedy show,
• 1:18:33
  I had a ha, ha, show everything I'm saying on stage is obviously
• 1:18:39
  a joke. Speaking of which, what do you I
• 1:18:43
  know it's old news at this point, but it's good to get
• 1:18:46
  comedians opinion on this. What did you make of the Chris
• 1:18:51
  Rock Will Smith slap incident from the perspective of like
• 1:18:55
  what it means, as a comedian - is jokes immediately for sure.
• 1:19:03
  But like things where it's like, I think that was such an outlier
• 1:19:10
  situation, you know, the Chris Rock is an award-winning
• 1:19:19
  comedian. Everything he says, is a joke on
• 1:19:25
  stage off stage. Sure if she was making fun of
• 1:19:29
  Jada offstage, that's one thing. What he was doing it on stage.
• 1:19:33
  Now that being said, it is very much like what I was saying
• 1:19:37
  before like, finding that line. And then Crossing that line,
• 1:19:42
  Chris unfortunately found that line on a very public day.
• 1:19:47
  And that's the thing. It's like when you find that
• 1:19:49
  line you have to, you have to deal with the repercussions.
• 1:19:54
  I don't think whale should have slapped him.
• 1:19:56
  I think we'll should have just said something.
• 1:19:59
  Like you know when he was like I'll keep my wife's name.
• 1:20:01
  I think that could have been the end of it.
• 1:20:04
  I don't think he needed to hit him.
• 1:20:06
  I don't know why he hit him but it's one of those things where
• 1:20:09
  it's like as a comedian, that's what you do.
• 1:20:15
  And like I don't I think Chris might have rethought how he's
• 1:20:21
  doing some jokes for the future. Like you know, because and also
• 1:20:25
  the thing is like, Jada from what I know Jada was very
• 1:20:28
  hush-hush about the entire alopecia situation.
• 1:20:34
  I think I could be completely wrong but I think I might be
• 1:20:38
  wrong. Yeah, I think I think she might
• 1:20:39
  have. Well, here's the thing as well
• 1:20:41
  like Obviously, no one, no one wants to be made of fun of like,
• 1:20:46
  for having a medical condition. So it sucks.
• 1:20:49
  You know, I'll be honest, I didn't notice.
• 1:20:52
  I thought she just decided to shave her head and was just
• 1:20:55
  looking bad as a. Because the thing is a lot of
• 1:20:57
  women do that just because they want the style, and it just
• 1:20:59
  looks normal and you don't even think anything of it.
• 1:21:01
  But I think in that particular time frame, she had spoken about
• 1:21:08
  it, maybe unlike her podcast or something.
• 1:21:10
  And so it was out there like in Was Chris Rock in the wrong?
• 1:21:18
  Yes, he probably should have done his research realized that
• 1:21:21
  that would be in poor taste. Is he the only comedian that's
• 1:21:24
  ever made a token? Poor taste.
• 1:21:26
  No like you're gonna be the last?
• 1:21:29
  No no no no. I mean I think I like Frankie
• 1:21:32
  boil if you're familiar with him Scottish comedian who back in
• 1:21:38
  the day he was known for being like ruthless with his
• 1:21:41
  joke-telling and would just take the mick out of anyone and not
• 1:21:44
  give to F sub. It now he is criticizing other
• 1:21:49
  comedians for doing the same thing that he used to do like 15
• 1:21:52
  or years ago. And it's hypocritical but it
• 1:21:56
  just makes you think like about how the scene is changed.
• 1:21:59
  And like I feel bad for comedians because it's such a
• 1:22:01
  tough time to know how to navigate this.
• 1:22:05
  It used to be that you could just joke about anything and
• 1:22:07
  that comedy is just comedy. Yeah, but now there's all these
• 1:22:10
  rules like, what you can't say this and you kind of say this,
• 1:22:13
  you have to be careful about this and it's Like how do you
• 1:22:16
  navigate that? Like, how do you personally do
• 1:22:19
  with that? It's one of those things where I
• 1:22:25
  don't remember, I there was a comedian that said it, that was
• 1:22:29
  like comedy is still comedy, just the words of chains and if
• 1:22:34
  you can't adapt to it, then you're not a good comedian
• 1:22:39
  because you can still make jokes about what you were making jokes
• 1:22:42
  about before, you just have to change the language that you
• 1:22:46
  were using You know, the topics themselves aren't unable to be
• 1:22:52
  joked about just the way you describe it.
• 1:22:55
  It's how you can joke about it, okay?
• 1:22:57
  To play doubles up kits. What you're saying right now?
• 1:22:59
  Because I partially disagree with you on this.
• 1:23:02
  So if it would just certain like refraining from using certain
• 1:23:06
  words, then I'd agree with you. But like any instance of
• 1:23:08
  something like Dave Chappelle For example, he made jokes about
• 1:23:13
  a friend of his and that then angered trance trance Community.
• 1:23:18
  Yeah, cause the full Opera and there's a, I still don't know
• 1:23:22
  where I sit on that situation because he was joking about
• 1:23:25
  friend. And some bad came of that as a
• 1:23:31
  result of that. And then it caused an uproar and
• 1:23:33
  everything, and, you know, it causes everyone to re-evaluate,
• 1:23:37
  but like the point is that particular Community tried to
• 1:23:39
  cancel them for that. Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  And Netflix made the decision stand by him and it's a bit of
• 1:23:45
  an icky situation and it makes you wonder like so you can't
• 1:23:48
  tell jokes about that. Is that what it is?
• 1:23:52
  That's the thing is like also I think the one of the funniest
• 1:23:56
  parts of their data Situation was that when the Outlast the
• 1:24:01
  backlash came out about what he said, one of the top Netflix
• 1:24:06
  people came out and did a press conference to was like, Yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Dave can say all this stuff. It's just like me saying.
• 1:24:15
  And then he just said, a racial slur on live TV and then, boom.
• 1:24:20
  I did you do that? You idiot.
• 1:24:22
  Oh my God. apologize to different
• 1:24:54
  communities for being insensitive and then and At the
• 1:24:58
  end of it, he's like that would be like if I would take the
• 1:25:00
  pickup and then he just starts mocking someone else.
• 1:25:03
  And he goes, yeah, I'm back here to apologize for my
• 1:25:06
  insensitivity. So it's like, it's there.
• 1:25:16
  I think like what the Dave Chappelle situation with every
• 1:25:20
  situation where somebody comes out and says that they didn't
• 1:25:23
  like it, it is. It's a matter of how the joke is
• 1:25:32
  executed, I think, Hmm, okay, because it's either and then
• 1:25:36
  it's also like as a comedian, you're going to either defend
• 1:25:40
  every joke or you're going to defend no jokes.
• 1:25:43
  Because of going to be comedians, that will push that
• 1:25:47
  boundary of what's, okay to say, what's not.
• 1:25:49
  Okay, to say. And like, you know, Dave was
• 1:25:51
  talking about a friend of his. So, Dave, 100% ran those jokes
• 1:25:58
  by that person. And then that's that's, that's
• 1:26:03
  that's the thing as well because in a world where Like
• 1:26:08
  representation really matters and you look at things like
• 1:26:11
  okay, let's just take for example, what's going on with
• 1:26:13
  the little mermaid right now? Yeah, it's kind of wild.
• 1:26:18
  There's a lot of people like it makes me to be honest with you.
• 1:26:22
  What I'm seeing right now. It happened with Kenobi, is
• 1:26:26
  happening with a lot of series. It's like whenever there seems
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  to be like a black performer in a major role.
• 1:26:31
  People just seem really angry about it.
• 1:26:33
  Yeah. And it's just like that makes me
• 1:26:34
  think like, okay, well I guess there's just a hell of a lot of
• 1:26:37
  People that have an issue. What?
• 1:26:39
  And I just and I don't I don't get that.
• 1:26:41
  I mean, I get that obviously, I don't get racism.
• 1:26:45
  Who does. So it doesn't make sense.
• 1:26:47
  But, like, more than that. It's like, then you also like my
• 1:26:52
  bring up The Little Mermaid. Like I saw a video the other day
• 1:26:55
  and it was so beautiful. Is this that loads of the like
• 1:26:57
  little girls and the boys reactions to seeing that, the
• 1:27:02
  lead character is back. Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  And and, and they're like that in that really happy.
• 1:27:07
  He and excited about it, and it's just like, that's the
• 1:27:10
  importance that and bring it back to what we were talking
• 1:27:13
  about before. Like, even in the cunt, like, I
• 1:27:15
  feel like everything should be taking the mick out of, but not,
• 1:27:20
  but not to mock it. Like, there's something wrong
• 1:27:22
  with it, but to Market, so that because I feel like not joking
• 1:27:26
  about things is almost like, what I'm doing.
• 1:27:30
  Yeah. It's like single it out like all
• 1:27:31
  the contacts that and it's like but then the debate on what you
• 1:27:35
  can joke about as well. That's You could do the entire
• 1:27:38
  podcast about that. Well, that is the thing, and
• 1:27:40
  that's the thing. It's like, especially with, with
• 1:27:43
  the little mermaid, there know, the people who are mad about it.
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  Because in reality it's just another person playing a role.
• 1:27:52
  It's a person who got cast for a role.
• 1:27:54
  Yeah. You're seeing them as anything
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  else then you're you're labeling that person to you know it's
• 1:28:01
  like it could just be what I don't know what her name is.
• 1:28:06
  It could just be her name but they're seeing it as a blank
• 1:28:10
  actress is now playing Ariel. You know, instead of just this
• 1:28:15
  actresses playing, they're putting something in front of it
• 1:28:18
  just to get mad about. It doesn't have to be, you know,
• 1:28:21
  it's like it's the same. When the Annie, the new Annie
• 1:28:25
  came out and Jamie Foxx played mr.
• 1:28:27
  Warbucks and it was, everyone was like, oh, it's now blank
• 1:28:31
  Annie, it's no longer Annie even though it's 100% Annie just
• 1:28:36
  different people thing, okay? They're putting a label in front
• 1:28:40
  of it because they don't like it.
• 1:28:43
  I see, and that's the thing. It happens with comedians.
• 1:28:45
  That happens with musicians and it happens with actresses and
• 1:28:48
  actors and everybody. The people who are mad about it,
• 1:28:52
  they're not mad at them making a new, you know, thing they're mad
• 1:28:58
  about something prior to it, you know.
• 1:29:02
  So I can people just enjoy shit bonsoir clocks.
• 1:29:05
  Just chill the fuck out. So there's a black Ariel,
• 1:29:09
  everyone's in here if she does a great.
• 1:29:11
  Excellent. It's a movie.
• 1:29:12
  Yeah, that's What I care about is, how well are you are?
• 1:29:15
  How good are you at playing the role?
• 1:29:16
  That's why I care about my God. I couldn't give two shits.
• 1:29:20
  If you're white black Asian, whatever.
• 1:29:22
  Like just just if you can do it well, do it if you get.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah. You know, those it was like for
• 1:29:28
  instance I remember here in the UK, there's a there's a series
• 1:29:32
  that they did of like a version of that Amber Lynn or something
• 1:29:36
  and they chose to cast and berliners like those are back
• 1:29:40
  actress paying and it's just like load.
• 1:29:42
  People get annoyed about it because it was historically
• 1:29:46
  inaccurate, and it's like, I'm sorry.
• 1:29:48
  Name me one of those series. That is 100% historically
• 1:29:52
  accurate because basically, none of them are like when they put
• 1:30:00
  in Star Wars. Like people just focus on
• 1:30:14
  someone's fucking skin. Color is exactly.
• 1:30:17
  And it's just and that's the thing.
• 1:30:19
  It's like, everything. I think everything is within the
• 1:30:24
  limits of being joked about, but it's that old, it's the old
• 1:30:27
  saying you punch up. You don't punch down and like
• 1:30:30
  what you were saying. You don't mock the purse.
• 1:30:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you couldn't yeah, you
• 1:30:35
  know, you have a joke. The guy I have jokes that punch
• 1:30:39
  up. I have chokes that anything that
• 1:30:42
  I do? I make sure it doesn't punch
• 1:30:44
  down because you don't want to make fun of people.
• 1:30:48
  But you are trying to tell a story so unique and descriptive
• 1:30:52
  factors. You need things in there to
• 1:30:54
  provide context of what you're saying and some of those things
• 1:30:57
  happen to be their sexuality, their ethnicity, their food,
• 1:31:01
  take, you know, like anything about them, comes into it.
• 1:31:04
  And it's not saying like whatever comes after is because
• 1:31:07
  of who they are. I'm just giving you the idea of
• 1:31:10
  who this person is so that the rest of the story makes sense,
• 1:31:15
  you know, I'm providing a setting For the action that
• 1:31:19
  happens later. It's not like it's not you know
• 1:31:21
  if somebody makes a joke about me, it's like oh the big white
• 1:31:25
  guy did this and this and this like nothing in the action
• 1:31:29
  relates to me being a big white guy.
• 1:31:32
  You just need to know that I'm a big white guy because the story
• 1:31:37
  needs something. I can't just be like my friend
• 1:31:40
  did that, my friend did this, because that's a boring story,
• 1:31:45
  you know. Speaking of stories, you have a
• 1:31:48
  podcast called The Story Time Podcast.
• 1:31:50
  Okay. Tell us about that.
• 1:31:53
  Terrible. No, appreciate your honesty.
• 1:31:57
  Don't say that. I mean it's I hosted my friend,
• 1:32:06
  John John, and I have known each other for a very long time.
• 1:32:10
  John is a former touring musician and so that's where the
• 1:32:16
  name story. It's tou are for tour is very
• 1:32:21
  nice. Story.
• 1:32:24
  A lot of people because I posted stuff about it.
• 1:32:27
  My friends were like you understand that spelled
• 1:32:28
  incorrectly? I was like that is the point and
• 1:32:32
  then I tell them I'll just put it o is it?
• 1:32:36
  Oh no it's just the British tour.
• 1:32:40
  Yeah. So it's just kind of stories
• 1:32:42
  from people who have traveled. People have been on tour.
• 1:32:46
  People have experienced things on the road so a lot of the
• 1:32:51
  guests so far have been Former musicians, former touring
• 1:32:55
  musicians are one friend, Colin was on it and he, I believe
• 1:32:59
  like, one on one or two tours, but his stories were mostly
• 1:33:02
  about his time in the Air Force, when he was in South Korea, we
• 1:33:06
  have some coming up, we have a couple comedians coming up, we
• 1:33:09
  have other. Yeah, just to or anything tour
• 1:33:12
  related is usually what we end up talking about him, just
• 1:33:15
  because that's like, I haven't really toward but I've traveled
• 1:33:19
  to do comedy just been in like places too.
• 1:33:23
  And then, John has spent years, probably 56 years on the road
• 1:33:29
  touring as a musician. So, It's just, it's such a weird
• 1:33:35
  time to be on the road and working like that, because what
• 1:33:40
  people see, like, if you go to see a band, you know, you go to
• 1:33:44
  see your are you where are you? Are you a Manchester?
• 1:33:48
  You Sam? Yeah, right.
• 1:33:50
  All right, so you go to see Arctic Monkeys at the what was I
• 1:33:57
  went to a show in Manchester once and I can't remember the
• 1:33:58
  name of the venue. I was going to try to do a
• 1:34:00
  little tie in there. Hey, We'll play with.
• 1:34:03
  The fuck is cool. It was that like meant there was
• 1:34:05
  that, I'll find the ticket. Um, you know, you go to see a
• 1:34:09
  band in Manchester you're only seeing that part of their day,
• 1:34:15
  but there's so much that happens between con the concert that
• 1:34:20
  people just don't really know about, and it's like a lot of
• 1:34:23
  the guys that we've had on so far toward before, they were GPS
• 1:34:27
  before, they were smart phones. So it's like, how did you get
• 1:34:30
  from Buffalo? Los Angeles.
• 1:34:34
  Yeah, you know what happened? And stuff like that.
• 1:34:38
  It reminds me of, I really like this.
• 1:34:42
  This guy called Jim cornette. He does a couple of podcasts.
• 1:34:45
  It really another wrestling guy. Sorry guys.
• 1:34:47
  And this is a wrestling podcast now.
• 1:34:50
  Yeah, there's a lot of like really interesting Road stories.
• 1:34:54
  They talks about where like mostly.
• 1:34:56
  He's talking about the 80s and 90s of him touring states that
• 1:35:00
  obviously before. Yeah, same thing before
• 1:35:02
  smartphones before all of that and just like how they would get
• 1:35:05
  around. How they would move between the
• 1:35:07
  territories and stuff. And it's, it's just fascinating
• 1:35:10
  that and about that sort of stuff, you know, and also just
• 1:35:12
  like how different the world was like.
• 1:35:14
  I often think about that. Now, like, how different the
• 1:35:17
  world is today versus how it was when I was growing up and it's
• 1:35:21
  just like, hey It was me it's such a crazy time.
• 1:35:27
  Like one of the guys, the guy that we had on this last week,
• 1:35:33
  he talks about one of the tours that he did and he's like, we
• 1:35:37
  had cell phones but they were flip phone.
• 1:35:39
  Yeah. Didn't have GPS.
• 1:35:40
  So you would print out the directions and you would have to
• 1:35:43
  like, count the odometer to make sure you're getting the right
• 1:35:46
  amount of miles before you made it turn and if you messed up
• 1:35:49
  that it was like, all right, let's see what happens here.
• 1:35:52
  Like, I guess like Like into known funds, flip phones, sucked
• 1:35:59
  ass. It's a two by ten minutes to
• 1:36:05
  load a webpage. It was this is no point by up
• 1:36:07
  until the first iPhone was made. It was no point trying to use
• 1:36:11
  internet on folks. You hear ya by the time the web
• 1:36:16
  page loaded. You no longer needed the web.
• 1:36:18
  Yeah. I looked at that was a
• 1:36:21
  Manchester Academy I saw? Well, yeah, we go Manchester
• 1:36:24
  Academy cool man. Cool.
• 1:36:27
  See Ben. That's where first time was, the
• 1:36:29
  first time I had a Greg's vegan sausage wrong but it changed
• 1:36:33
  man. So Boris Johnson says it, isn't
• 1:36:37
  it? Vegan sausage roll, I love
• 1:36:41
  those. Don't know what they put in them
• 1:36:43
  in Greg's. Pretty one at Stateside and you
• 1:36:45
  come to the UK definitely try Greg's.
• 1:36:47
  It's not high quality, it's Low quality but it's cheap.
• 1:36:51
  And for some reason it's just really good, I don't know what
• 1:36:54
  they put into those pastries but they're so good.
• 1:36:58
  They're like 60, 70 pounds for like yeah.
• 1:37:00
  Just makes me want to Greg's it is.
• 1:37:06
  I need to get the gym after this.
• 1:37:08
  Okay. A couple of final questions for
• 1:37:11
  you. Yeah.
• 1:37:12
  What's the best advice you've ever received?
• 1:37:17
  I'll give you two, I'll give you two because they're both short.
• 1:37:20
  I think the first one was what my friend Jake to me.
• 1:37:22
  Jake said to me, which was just shut up and do it.
• 1:37:26
  Because it's like you're either going to do it or you're not
• 1:37:28
  going to do it so just do it. You know, there's no point in
• 1:37:32
  like just talking about it like oh I'll do it next time.
• 1:37:35
  I'll do it next time. It's like you're either gonna do
• 1:37:36
  it or you're not. So just do it or don't but just
• 1:37:40
  do it. And the other one was, you know
• 1:37:44
  what, you're going to say, you know what you want to say?
• 1:37:47
  So just say it. And that came from joke writing.
• 1:37:52
  I don't remember who specifically said it to me, but
• 1:37:55
  I was talking to them about writing jokes and I, because
• 1:37:59
  it's like, I thought I needed to write a bunch of detail because
• 1:38:05
  there's some there's some conveniently, George Carlin
• 1:38:08
  famously would write out every word that he would say on stage
• 1:38:12
  as if it was a script but he would deliver it without it
• 1:38:15
  sounding like it was a script but he would write every single
• 1:38:19
  word verbatim and so I wasn't doing that but I wasn't just
• 1:38:25
  writing premises like ideas I was writing like things that I
• 1:38:28
  thought would help and then a friend of mine was just like,
• 1:38:32
  okay, this is what you want to talk about.
• 1:38:33
  Just go start talking about of it and see what happens, you
• 1:38:38
  know, it's either going to go well or it doesn't and then you
• 1:38:40
  work from there, you know there's no point over thinking
• 1:38:44
  what you want to say. But in.
• 1:38:48
  And what's the biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
• 1:38:51
  Everything sucks. Now, That there's no there's no
• 1:39:01
  concern. That's not the word.
• 1:39:03
  There's no. I can't think of the word.
• 1:39:07
  So basically the idea is I'll describe the idea and see if we
• 1:39:11
  can find Workshop that were here.
• 1:39:15
  Amy Schumer. The famous American comedian got
• 1:39:18
  Last Comic Standing three years into comedy.
• 1:39:22
  Bert, Kreischer. Six months in the comedy.
• 1:39:24
  Got a six-figure development deal with Will Smith.
• 1:39:28
  Bobby Lee got past, the San Diego.
• 1:39:30
  Comedy Store nine months into comedy.
• 1:39:36
  A lot of the guys, I listen to Tom Segura Ryan sickler.
• 1:39:40
  A lot of the UK comedian. So it's Jimmy, Carter, Jimmy
• 1:39:43
  Carter got paid one on one of his first gigs like he never
• 1:39:46
  done comedy before and then all of a sudden he did like to shows
• 1:39:49
  me was starting to be a paid comedian and then like Johnny
• 1:39:53
  Vegas and all these other people worked for years with nothing
• 1:39:57
  and then all of a sudden it happened.
• 1:39:59
  So it's either. There's no Like, there's no you
• 1:40:03
  can't compare yourself to the people who got stuff so early,
• 1:40:08
  and you also can't compare yourself to the people who
• 1:40:10
  didn't because it's just, there's no set idea.
• 1:40:13
  There's no set guidelines for how to do it.
• 1:40:15
  It's gonna happen and it might happen soon.
• 1:40:18
  It might happen later what, it's going to happen at some point,
• 1:40:23
  you know, as long as and that's, you know, as long as you keep
• 1:40:27
  working, as long as you work hard, as long as you keep
• 1:40:29
  putting in the necessary work. People will see that.
• 1:40:33
  And that's the yeah that's the life lesson I got from.
• 1:40:37
  Kind of well we'll keep working hard.
• 1:40:40
  It's motivational just cut that put that on repeat for an hour.
• 1:40:45
  No for real? No jokes aside.
• 1:40:48
  I need to hear that. Thank you.
• 1:40:50
  Thank you ma'am. Yeah, final question.
• 1:40:53
  Do you have any upcoming projects or final thoughts you'd
• 1:40:55
  like to share with our listeners?
• 1:40:59
  Just go to White. At Carmody, support your local
• 1:41:03
  comedy. Because the thing about being a
• 1:41:07
  local comedian is just so brutal because you need your dying to
• 1:41:12
  have people show up to your show.
• 1:41:13
  So just show up to an open mic, it might be amazing, it might be
• 1:41:16
  crap, but just show up. Anyway, be there for people, but
• 1:41:21
  yeah, I don't have You can check out the story time, podcast.
• 1:41:26
  At Story Time, sto U, Ry time pod everywhere.
• 1:41:32
  You can find me everywhere at Max case or Casey zorc isn't cat
• 1:41:36
  Z as in zebra or or zebra. Oh, are ya?
• 1:41:44
  I'm doing. I got some shows.
• 1:41:46
  I think they're on my website. Max case, of.com.
• 1:41:50
  I think I just know. I have one show and it's this
• 1:41:52
  Friday, so let's do it. What does this come out?
• 1:41:55
  Well, this one come out for a walk.
• 1:41:57
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:41:58
  Well it happened. And you will have smashed it and
• 1:42:00
  become with amazing International and National
• 1:42:03
  development deal. I'm on tour but just yeah, check
• 1:42:08
  out everything. Follow me on social media,
• 1:42:10
  you'll find stuff their absolute pleasure.
• 1:42:12
  Having you on the show? Thank you so much for being such
• 1:42:15
  a great guest and have fun. Yeah, man, you're always welcome
• 1:42:19
  on the show again and thank you. And to all the listeners of the
• 1:42:22
  Christian Reef podcast as Always be safe.
• 1:42:25
  Be well and I'll see you in the next one.