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DISGRACELAND: Screamin’ Jay Hawkins: Was Screamin’ Jay Hawkins Murdered? · Spooky Season Podcasts 🎃

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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a
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Speaker 1: story about how rock and roll pioneer Screamin' Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: may have been murdered. It's a story about an operatic
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Speaker 1: boogeyman who freaked out America in the conservative 1950s by
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Speaker 1: jumping out of a coffin on stage. And it's also
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Speaker 1: about an unreliable narrator, an arrest for statutory rape, polygamy,
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Speaker 1: and the 57-plus children fathered by the co-author of the
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Speaker 1: classic rock and roll song, I Put a Spell on You, Mr. Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins. A man who made great music. Unlike that
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Speaker 1: clip I played for you at the top of the show,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't great music. That was a preset loop from
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Speaker 1: my Mellotron called Caped Creepy Crooner MK1. I played you
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Speaker 1: that loop because I can't afford the rights to I
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Speaker 1: Knew I Loved You by Savage Garden. And why would
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Speaker 1: I play you that specific slice of unlikely Y2K cheese?
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Speaker 1: Could I afford it? Because that was the number one
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Speaker 1: song in America on February 12, 2000. And that was
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Speaker 1: the day that Screamin' Jay Hawkins died at the age
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Speaker 1: of 70. A death that officials said was caused by
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Speaker 1: an aneurysm, but which some later alleged was actual murder.
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Speaker 1: On this episode, the boogeyman, polygamy, fathering at least 57 children,
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Speaker 1: murder allegations, and rock and roll pioneer... Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
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Speaker 2: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is Disgraceland.
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Speaker 1: Some people think that Screamin' Jay Hawkins was murdered. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's right. The I put a spell on you guy. Murdered.
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Speaker 1: The official cause of death was multiple organ failure following
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Speaker 1: emergency surgery to treat an aneurysm. But some believe he
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Speaker 1: was slowly poisoned and that the poisoning could have led
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Speaker 1: to intestinal obstruction, which could have then triggered his aneurysm
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Speaker 1: and the multiple organ failure and all the rest of it. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is ironic as hell, by the way, because Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay wrote and sang a song called Constipation Blues, which
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Speaker 1: literally sounds like a guy trying to dramatically pass a
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Speaker 1: bowel movement for about four minutes straight. And this murder
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Speaker 1: theory is not widely talked about, but it's out there,
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Speaker 1: and not just in Reddit threads on the internet. There's
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Speaker 1: a book about Screamin' Jay that was published in 2019,
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Speaker 1: which mentions this theory a few times from a few
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Speaker 1: different sources, albeit briefly and at the very end. I
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Speaker 1: was completely floored when I first stumbled across these murder
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Speaker 1: allegations while researching this episode. I've always wanted to tell Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins' story because it's weird and it's wild and
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Speaker 1: it's mythic, like all the best stories about rock stars.
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Speaker 1: And I always assumed that the angle of our episode
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Speaker 1: would be how when Jay died, it was revealed that
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Speaker 1: he had at least 57 children out there, most of
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Speaker 1: them illegitimate and most of them unknown to him. But
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Speaker 1: then I read about how Screamin' Jay may not have
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Speaker 1: died as we were told, how he may have been murdered.
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Speaker 1: And suddenly, everything changed. On February 12, 2000, Screamin' Jay
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Speaker 1: Hawkins was 70 years old and living outside Paris, France.
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Speaker 1: He continued to tour and perform his eccentric brand of
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Speaker 1: rock and roll, mostly in Europe. And like a lot
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Speaker 1: of 20th century jazz musicians, Jay found that he was
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Speaker 1: appreciated more abroad than he was in the States. Audiences
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Speaker 1: there liked his newer material just as much as they
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Speaker 1: dug his biggest hit, his calling card, the song I
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I Put a Spell on You. You know
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Speaker 1: this song. It's been covered hundreds of times by everyone
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Speaker 1: from Nina Simone to Creedence Clearwater Revival. You've heard it
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Speaker 1: in countless movies and TV shows, and contestants on American
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Speaker 1: Idol and The Voice regularly drag it out to sing
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Speaker 1: it to the rafters. Because it's a song you want
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Speaker 1: to remember. It's a song that will last forever. It's
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Speaker 1: what the cockroaches will be listening to while they feed
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Speaker 1: off Twinkies in the post-apocalypse wasteland. I Put a Spell
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Speaker 1: on You is such a monster tune that the Rock
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Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame in Jay's hometown of Cleveland
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Speaker 1: selected it for its list of 500 songs that shaped
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Speaker 1: rock and roll. Jay planned to keep playing this song
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Speaker 1: to audiences for a long time because even at 70,
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Speaker 1: despite some minor health issues that had begun to pop up,
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Speaker 1: he remained in good spirits, and he continued to perform
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Speaker 1: enthusiastically to audiences like at the famed Olympia in Paris.
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Speaker 1: That is, until one day in February 2000, when Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins suddenly fell ill and was rushed to a
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Speaker 1: hospital in a Parisian suburb. A few days later, on
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Speaker 1: February 12th, Screamin' Jay Hawkins was dead. The New York
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Speaker 1: Times reported that Jay had been taken to the hospital
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Speaker 1: for emergency surgery to treat an aneurysm, and that he
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Speaker 1: died in recovery, suffering from the failure of multiple organs. Okay,
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Speaker 1: makes sense. Aneurysms can come out of nowhere and impact
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Speaker 1: even the healthiest of people. And so this was accepted
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Speaker 1: as fact, but not everyone was buying it. Two people,
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Speaker 1: in fact, two people who were very close to screaming Jay,
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Speaker 1: They had reason to believe that Screamin' Jay Hawkins didn't
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Speaker 1: die simply of an aneurysm, but a foul play. And
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Speaker 1: therein lies the million-dollar question. Was Screamin' Jay Hawkins murdered? Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was on the front lines of rock and roll.
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Speaker 1: He was part of the first wave of luminaries who
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Speaker 1: mashed up rhythm and blues, gospel, jazz, and country music
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Speaker 1: to create something new and exciting. But before he was
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Speaker 1: making music alongside better-known names such as Little Richard, Big
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Speaker 1: Joe Turner, and Chuck Berry, Screamin' Jay Hawkins was in
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Speaker 1: the Army Air Force, and after that, he was a boxer.
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Speaker 1: Although he was from Cleveland, Jay allegedly beat a Golden
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Speaker 1: Gloves champion from Alaska to clinch the title in that state.
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Speaker 1: And this could be a true story, but it's hard
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Speaker 1: to know for sure because Jay just so happened to
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Speaker 1: be one of the most unreliable narrators in rock and roll.
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Speaker 1: He'd tell you he was born in a taxi as
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Speaker 1: it was crossing state lines, or that he was left
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Speaker 1: at an orphanage and taken in by a family of
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Speaker 1: Blackfoot Indians. Not necessarily unbelievable stuff, just not backed up
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Speaker 1: by any hard proof. At times, it is near impossible
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Speaker 1: to separate fact from fiction when it comes to screaming
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins. But this much is true. Jay's God-given singing
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Speaker 1: style was by turn soulfully operatic and completely unhinged, punctuated
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Speaker 1: by grunts and shrieks and guttural rumblings. It's right there
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Speaker 1: in his name. Screamin' Jay was a force. But Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay was also weird. People tend to forget that rock
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Speaker 1: and roll was weird as fuck in the early days. Sure,
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Speaker 1: Sun Records was home to Elvis and Jerry Lee, but
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Speaker 1: it was also the label behind Billy Lee Riley's Flying
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Speaker 1: Saucer rock and roll and Malcolm Yelvington's hillbilly take on
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Speaker 1: Stick McGee's Drinking Wine's Fodioti. To an American public lullabied
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Speaker 1: by Pat Boone and the Everly Brothers, Screamin' Jay was
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Speaker 1: beyond weird. He was downright disturbing. When OK Records, an
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Speaker 1: R & B imprint of Columbia, released Jay's song I
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Speaker 1: Put a Spell on You in 1956, Audiences were so
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Speaker 1: freaked out by his snorting and snarling at the end
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Speaker 1: of the track that the label had to remix and
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Speaker 1: repress the single with the offending vocals removed. And even
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Speaker 1: with those edits made, radio stations banned it. One DJ
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Speaker 1: was fired for playing it. Screamin' Jay, it seemed, was
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Speaker 1: some kind of rock and roll boogeyman. Alan Freed, the
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Speaker 1: influential and disgraced DJ and concert promoter, was the one
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Speaker 1: to suggest that Jay emerged from a coffin like a
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Speaker 1: creature of the night on stage. This gimmick led to others.
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Speaker 1: Plastic snakes, mechanical severed hands, fuse boxes that produced fire
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Speaker 1: and smoke, a human skull that appeared to smoke cigarettes
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Speaker 1: while perched atop Jay's walking cane. If screaming Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: could have peered into a crystal ball, He would have
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Speaker 1: seen Iggy Pop, Frank Zappa, Alice Cooper, Kiss, The Cramps,
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Speaker 1: and even Lady Gaga all staring back at him. But
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Speaker 1: there was no crystal ball, and there was only this moment.
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Speaker 1: And in this moment, Screamin' Jay was not only a
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Speaker 1: weird and frightening force, the weird and frightening parts of
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Speaker 1: him soon became a liability. In 1956, the National Casket
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Speaker 1: Association complained that Jay's shtick made fun of the dead,
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Speaker 1: so funeral homes stopped renting coffins to him. The NAACP
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Speaker 1: took issue with the bone Jay clipped to his nose,
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Speaker 1: accusing him of perpetuating racial stereotypes. Even worse, Jerry Lee
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Speaker 1: Lewis thought Jay was nothing but a novelty act. And
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Speaker 1: this hurt Jay because Jay and Jerry Lee shared the
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Speaker 1: stage on Alan Freed's Big Beat tour. And Jay considered
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Speaker 1: Jerry Lee to be an equal, and Jay wanted a
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Speaker 1: career like Jerry Lee's. But it wouldn't be long before
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Speaker 1: any semblance of a career was put in peril, when Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was arrested for a serious crime and faced
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Speaker 1: decades behind bars. They found Screamin' Jay Hawkins inside one
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Speaker 1: of the 250 rooms at Cleveland's Majestic Hotel with a
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Speaker 1: young girl from Akron. Jay was 28. She was 15.
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Speaker 1: It was the year 1958, and Screamin' Jay Hawkins was fucked.
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Speaker 1: This was the same year that Jerry Lee Lewis was
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Speaker 1: busy working up a scandal of his own with his
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Speaker 1: 13-year-old cousin. It was the same year Buddy Holly would die.
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Speaker 1: And it was the year that Elvis broke millions of
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Speaker 1: hearts by putting his career on hold after being drafted
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Speaker 1: into the Army. And it was the year that Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was convicted of statutory rape and possession of narcotics.
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Speaker 1: He was given a 2 to 20-year sentence in an
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Speaker 1: Ohio prison, where every day he wondered, How much longer?
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Speaker 1: How much longer will I have to sit here, alone,
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Speaker 1: tormented by the demons and the devils of my mind?
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Speaker 1: The cell is small and smells of mildew and piss.
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Speaker 1: It's also dark. Jay doesn't like the dark. The dark
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Speaker 1: is where the bad things creep from a shadow in
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Speaker 1: the corner, like Jay creeps out of one of his
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Speaker 1: rented coffins. He tries to think of something else to
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Speaker 1: settle his nerves, but All he has are memories. He's
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Speaker 1: not 28 anymore. He's 18, 19, give or take, and
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Speaker 1: he's rotting on the floor of another cell just like
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Speaker 1: this one. He's reliving one of the stories he likes
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Speaker 1: to tell so much. The story of how his captors
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Speaker 1: loomed large above him. Boogeymen from another shadow in another
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Speaker 1: corner in another part of the world. These boogeymen spoke Japanese,
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Speaker 1: and they laughed at him, fucked with him, and beat him.
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Speaker 1: He had no way of knowing how long he'd been there,
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Speaker 1: when the only door into this godforsaken hovel was at
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Speaker 1: last knocked down, and when the rising sun pierced the
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Speaker 1: veil of torture, and Jay's squad was at last liberated.
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Speaker 1: Now the tables were turned. Now Jay had the upper hand.
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Speaker 1: And with that hand, he shoved a standard-issue grenade down
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Speaker 1: one of his captor's throats. Jay got some satisfaction from
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Speaker 1: watching the man gag on the cast-iron pineapple, but the
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Speaker 1: real thrill was in pulling the pin. to see this
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Speaker 1: boogeyman's head blow completely apart. Thinking of this memory in
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Speaker 1: his Ohio jail cell gives Jay what he needs to
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Speaker 1: endure another night, another week, another month in this hellhole.
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Speaker 1: But when he finally gets out of this cell, when
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Speaker 1: he's released back into the world, that world won't recognize him.
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Speaker 1: And it's then that the story of Screamin' Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: really begins. Screaming Jay Hawkins told variations of that POW
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Speaker 1: story his entire life, but it's not true. Jay joined
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Speaker 1: the Army Air Force in the Special Services Division as
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Speaker 1: a musician, and there is no evidence to support that
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Speaker 1: he was a prisoner of war. Understanding his proclivity for
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Speaker 1: bullshit only complicates the question, was Screaming Jay Hawkins murdered?
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Speaker 1: Because as you sift through all these details, much of
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Speaker 1: them offered up by Jay himself is you wind up
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Speaker 1: asking yourself another question, and that question is, what exactly
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Speaker 1: do I believe? Do I believe that Screamin' Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: once kicked the ass of Atlantic Records honcho Ahmet Erdogan
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Speaker 1: because he told Jay to sing more like Fats Domino
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Speaker 1: in the studio? Do I believe that Screamin' Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: took on all five members of the Drifters and roundly
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Speaker 1: kicked all their asses as well after they locked him
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Speaker 1: in his stage coffin? Perhaps, but do I believe that Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins' first wife, left him for another woman, as
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Speaker 1: he once proclaimed. No, I do not. But when it
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Speaker 1: comes to that last one, what actually happened was that
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Speaker 1: Jay left his first wife, Anna Mae, and their three
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Speaker 1: young children. I do believe that Anna Mae was so upset,
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Speaker 1: so insulted, that every time Jay came back to Cleveland,
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Speaker 1: she called the cops to have him arrested for not
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Speaker 1: paying child support. And I further believe that when Jay
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Speaker 1: was granted parole and released from prison in November 1960,
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Speaker 1: two years after his arrest for statutory rape, He needed
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Speaker 1: to get as far away from Ohio as he could.
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Speaker 1: He also needed to go where there was work and opportunity.
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Speaker 1: And in the early 1960s, opportunity came calling for Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins in Hawaii. 1964, Honolulu. Jay didn't see that
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Speaker 1: Pat had a knife. He didn't notice the steel catch
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Speaker 1: the light from a nearby lamp as she raised the
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Speaker 1: blade into the air. How could he? he had his
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Speaker 1: back turned to her. Besides, he never would have expected
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Speaker 1: Pat to do something so dramatic. Pat Newborn, aka Shoutin' Pat,
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Speaker 1: was a lot of things. She was 15 years younger
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Speaker 1: than 35-year-old Jay Hawkins, and she was a singer, hence
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Speaker 1: the wild stage name with the apostrophe just like Jay,
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Speaker 1: and she had recently recorded a song called Ashes with
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Speaker 1: Jay for Chancellor Records. Shoutin' Pat was also just as
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Speaker 1: sexually adventurous as Screamin' Jay. She brought other women home
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Speaker 1: to their place in Honolulu, and then Jay would have
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Speaker 1: sex with that woman while Pat watched, or Pat would
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Speaker 1: have sex with Jay while the woman watched, or more
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Speaker 1: often than not, all three of them would just go
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Speaker 1: at it all together. Shoutin' Pat was also Screamin' Jay's fiancée,
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Speaker 1: even though Jay was still legally married to his first wife,
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Speaker 1: Anna Mae. Like all the women in Jay's life, Pat
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Speaker 1: was on a need-to-know basis, and Pat didn't need to
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Speaker 1: know about Anna Mae, and she also didn't need to
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Speaker 1: know that Jay had gone and proposed to yet another woman,
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Speaker 1: Ginny Sabalona, even though he was already engaged to Pat
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Speaker 1: and still married to Anna Mae. In Jay's experience, it
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Speaker 1: was best not to let everyone know everything. But Honolulu talked.
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Speaker 1: The doormen, the barbacks, the maid men, the strippers, everyone
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Speaker 1: talked in Jack Sione's nightclubs. Jay liked to tell people
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Speaker 1: that the reason he'd come to the island in the
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Speaker 1: first place was because his life was on the line.
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Speaker 1: That he'd gone to a music publisher to insist upon
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Speaker 1: receiving a higher royalty rate for I Put a Spell
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Speaker 1: on You, seeing that it was quickly becoming a popular
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Speaker 1: song that other artists liked to cover. His demands were
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Speaker 1: so strong, his tone so threatening, that the publishing company
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Speaker 1: had no choice but to respond with intimidation. And before
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Speaker 1: too long, mafia goons were on his trail. Or so
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Speaker 1: Jay said. In reality, Honolulu entrepreneur Jack Sione had caught
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Speaker 1: wind of this rock and roll animal recently out of
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Speaker 1: the clink, looking for work, and who worked for a
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Speaker 1: rate that wasn't as high as your Ike and Tina's
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Speaker 1: or your Fats Domino's, and so Jack Sione brought Jay
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Speaker 1: Hawkins to the island with the promise of a steady gig.
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Speaker 1: The island was exile for Screamin' Jay. He had quickly
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Speaker 1: become rock and roll's forgotten outlier, Jerry Lee's punchline. a
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Speaker 1: cape-wearing ghoul climbing from a coffin on a Honolulu stage
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Speaker 1: for $ 250 a week and a percentage of that night's
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Speaker 1: liquor sales. It was exile, but it was also where
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Speaker 1: Jay's resentment really began to build up. Imagine you co-wrote
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Speaker 1: a song, a great song, a song that will go
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Speaker 1: down as one of the greatest of all time, a
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Speaker 1: song that defines rock and roll and other people and
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Speaker 1: bands cover that song like it's going out of style.
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Speaker 1: Nina Simone, The Animals, Manford Mann, Alan Price, the list
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Speaker 1: goes on, and yet here you are doing your Halloween
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Speaker 1: act for whoever stumbled into Jack Sione's joint that night. Surfers, stoners, riffraff. Chicks, man,
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Speaker 1: the chicks. The chicks, according to you, Screamin' Jay, are hot.
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Speaker 1: You've never seen women like this before, so you compartmentalize.
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Speaker 1: You close the door on resentment. You let it fester
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Speaker 1: like mold in a damp closet, and you party. Shouting
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Speaker 1: Pat brings home a new girl every night. And every
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Speaker 1: night she earns that epithet and you earn yours. Shouting
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Speaker 1: and screaming to beat the band. It's almost as if
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Speaker 1: you could go on like this forever. And at one
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Speaker 1: point you resign yourself to the idea that Honolulu was forever.
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Speaker 1: It was forever with a nice beach and a decent sunset.
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Speaker 1: But then, then Pat found out about Ginny. Pat found
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Speaker 1: out because Jay told her. And Jay told her because
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Speaker 1: the wanderer and philanderer that Jay was, he decided he
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Speaker 1: was done with Pat and he went ahead and pulled
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Speaker 1: the trigger and made it official. He married Ginny Sabalona.
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Speaker 1: Never mind that he was engaged to shouting Pat and
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Speaker 1: never mind that he was still married to Anna Mae.
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Speaker 1: Pat was beside herself. She went in and got the
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Speaker 1: knife in the kitchen, nine inches long, more than enough
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Speaker 1: to fuck Jay up. And she chose to strike when
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Speaker 1: his back was turned because fuck him. Jay's arms shot
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Speaker 1: out at his sides when he felt the blade sink
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Speaker 1: into his flesh. It sounded like he was singing the album.
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Speaker 1: of his big hit song as Pac gave the handle
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Speaker 1: a twist and then ran the knife down the length
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Speaker 1: of his back. Perhaps getting stabbed by one of the
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Speaker 1: many women he was sleeping with and proposing to had
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Speaker 1: at last opened Jay's eyes and given him perspective. Or
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Speaker 1: perhaps opportunity had packed its bags and flown east. Whatever
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Speaker 1: the case... Shortly after he was attacked by Pat, Jay
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Speaker 1: Hawkins left Hawaii and Jack Sione's nightclubs for New York,
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Speaker 1: and then for London, where he hoped at long last
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Speaker 1: to receive the respect he deserved. It was the notorious
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Speaker 1: gangster and music impresario Don Hardy. father of Sharon Osbourne,
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Speaker 1: who provided Jay Hawkins the opportunity to tour the UK
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Speaker 1: and to record at famed Abbey Road Studios. This was
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Speaker 1: in 1966. Around the same time, Don Arden walked into
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Speaker 1: the office of his rival and threatened to toss him
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Speaker 1: out the window if he ever tried to poach one
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Speaker 1: of his bands again. If anyone could strong-arm screaming Jay
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Speaker 1: Hawkins back into the cultural consciousness, it was Don Arden.
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Speaker 1: But the album that Jay made at Abbey Road, The
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Speaker 1: Night and Day of Screamin' Jay Hawkins, released on the
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Speaker 1: Planet Records label, was an attempt to mainstream Jay, or
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Speaker 1: at least drain some of the weirdness from his sound
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Speaker 1: and turn him into a crooner. It didn't work. Neither
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Speaker 1: did the other albums and singles that Jay made for
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Speaker 1: so many other labels. Over the years, Jay recorded for Decca, Roulette, Hotline,
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Speaker 1: Red Top, Koala, Blue Phoenix, Mercury, and Rika. The list
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Speaker 1: goes on and on. He bounced between record labels like
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Speaker 1: he bounced between wives and girlfriends in one night stands.
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Speaker 1: Until all that bouncing around from city to city, country
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Speaker 1: to country, woman to woman, finally caught up with him.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps, as some will tell you, it all eventually
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Speaker 1: led to murder. We'll be right back after this word, word, word. Screamin'
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins always believed that he deserved better. In his mind,
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Speaker 1: R & B singer Chuck Willis started wearing turbans because
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Speaker 1: Jay wore turbans. When Little Richard began to wear capes,
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Speaker 1: Jay said it was because he had worn capes first.
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Speaker 1: He saw himself reflected in the culture from 70s blaxploitation
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Speaker 1: films like Shaft and Blacula to the tens of thousands
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Speaker 1: of white hippie kids dancing to Creedence Clearwater Revival as
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Speaker 1: they performed his signature song at Woodstock. But seeing this
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Speaker 1: gave him no satisfaction because he felt that the culture
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Speaker 1: refused to see him in return. And what did Jay refuse?
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Speaker 1: Jay refused to be second best. So when he thought
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Speaker 1: that his one-time agent, Don Arden, was paying too much
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Speaker 1: attention to another artist, John Lee Hooker, Jay called up
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Speaker 1: Don pretending to be John Lee. Jay had the voice
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Speaker 1: down and everything and convinced Don that John Lee Hooker
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Speaker 1: was in jail in the U.K. Don Arden literally sent
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Speaker 1: a guy to bail out John Lee Hooker, who, of course,
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Speaker 1: was not in need of bailing out. Now, you did
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Speaker 1: not fuck with a man like Don Arden like this.
23:11
Speaker 1: Most people would also piss themselves if Don Arden stuck
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Speaker 1: a pistol in their face, but when he did so
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Speaker 1: to Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Jay simply took it as his
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Speaker 1: cue that their professional relationship was coming to its natural conclusion.
23:25
Speaker 1: A few years later, Jay wound up in New York
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Speaker 1: City as punk and disco were slugging it out in
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Speaker 1: the trenches. In the early 1980s, he played places like
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Speaker 1: the Mud Club, while Basquiat nursed a margarita somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the crowd. He befriended younger musicians out on the margins,
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Speaker 1: like Rudy Petrucci, whose garage rock band The Fuzztones would
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Speaker 1: sometimes back Jay up. And then the indie filmmaker Jim Jarmusch,
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Speaker 1: a former member of the New York no-wave band the
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Speaker 1: Del Byzantines, used Jay's original recording of I Put a
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Speaker 1: Spell on You in his acclaimed 1984 film Stranger Than Paradise.
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Speaker 1: A new generation heard this song for the first time
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Speaker 1: because of Jarmusch's movie. And soon that song, as well
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Speaker 1: as Jay's whole shtick, was being adopted by a new
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Speaker 1: crop of indie musicians. Down Under in Australia, Nick Cave
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Speaker 1: and the Bad Seeds were performing their own unhinged cover
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Speaker 1: of Jay's immortal song. But Jay was unmoved by the tribute.
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Speaker 1: Because when Jay flew to Australia to tour and discovered
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Speaker 1: that he would be opening for Nick Cave and not
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Speaker 1: the other way around, Jay was outraged. Nick Cave hadn't
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Speaker 1: paid his dues, he said. Actually, what Jay really said was,
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Speaker 1: my records were being sold here before his daddy knew
24:38
Speaker 1: how to get an erection. And Jay had no choice
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Speaker 1: but to upstage Nick Cave. The coffin, the severed hand,
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Speaker 1: the plastic snakes, the fire, the cigarette-smoking skull. As a performer.
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was impossible to follow. But by doing so,
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was also biting the hand that wanted to
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Speaker 1: feed him, so to speak. And Jay found nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with this approach, of course, because that's what the boogeyman does.
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Speaker 1: He bites. The cultural impact that artists like Nick Cave
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Speaker 1: and Jim Jarmusch had by elevating Screamin' Jay Hawkins cannot
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Speaker 1: be overstated. It was similar to how British invasion bands
25:17
Speaker 1: in the 1960s shone a light on American blues and
25:21
Speaker 1: R & B. And for his fourth feature film, Mystery Train,
25:25
Speaker 1: instead of simply using Jay's music, Jarmusch cast Jay to
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Speaker 1: portray a Memphis hotel night clerk. It was around this
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Speaker 1: time that Jay began to record for the Bizarre and
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Speaker 1: Straight record labels, which were originally co-founded by Frank Zappa
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Speaker 1: in the late 60s. In 1991, Jay released the album
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Speaker 1: Black Music for White People, in which he remained as
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Speaker 1: uncompromising as ever with songs like Ignit and Shit and
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Speaker 1: I Want Your Body. On the album's cover, Jay is
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Speaker 1: wearing the same getup that the NAACP took offense to
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Speaker 1: decades earlier, the bone in his nose and all that,
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Speaker 1: while draped across his left arm is an unconscious white woman. Suddenly,
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Speaker 1: Jay found himself creatively rejuvenated. He was seeing more money
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Speaker 1: than he had in a long time, and he was
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Speaker 1: finally able to purchase his first house in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Jay was also continuing to add to his list of
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Speaker 1: sexual conquests and continuing to rack up ex-wives. But Jay
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Speaker 1: was addicted to more than sex. Jay was addicted to
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Speaker 1: something else which threatened to completely upend his good fortune.
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Speaker 1: Robert Duffy, the producer who worked with Jay on his
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Speaker 1: Bizarre and Straight album, said that by the 1990s, Jay
26:38
Speaker 1: had become a full-blown codeine addict. He was taking codeine
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Speaker 1: all the time, whether he was in the studio or not.
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Speaker 1: According to Duffy, Jay took so much that by 4 p.m.
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Speaker 1: every day, he was completely out of it. Jay claimed
26:53
Speaker 1: that the reason he took so much codeine was because
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Speaker 1: of the PTSD he suffered from his time as a
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Speaker 1: prisoner of war. But that's not true. Jay took codeine
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Speaker 1: for the same reason that a lot of people take codeine,
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Speaker 1: or take any drug for that matter. Jay took codeine
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Speaker 1: because it made him feel good. It made him forget
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Speaker 1: about the things he didn't want to think about, like
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Speaker 1: skinny Aussie punks named Nick Cave who were headlining the
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Speaker 1: shows that Jay should be headlining. But there were things
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Speaker 1: that Jay could not ignore, no matter how much codeine
27:23
Speaker 1: he took. In the mid-90s, Screaming Jay Hawkins left L.A.
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Speaker 1: in the first house he'd ever bought and moved to France.
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Speaker 1: According to Jay's fifth wife, Colette, the reason for this
27:36
Speaker 1: was because they were an interracial couple. and Jay had
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Speaker 1: grown tired of casual racism in America. He had always
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Speaker 1: felt more comfortable in Europe, and had always felt more
27:46
Speaker 1: appreciated as an artist there. Colette had only been married
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Speaker 1: to Jay for three years, but even after they split
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Speaker 1: and Jay married his sixth and final wife, Monique, Jay
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Speaker 1: and Colette remained tight. Colette helped Jay kick codeine, and
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Speaker 1: Colette kept all of Jay's secrets. Colette knew everything when
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Speaker 1: it came to her ex, Screamin' Jay Hawkinson. She knew
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Speaker 1: about how he did time for statutory rape. She knew
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Speaker 1: about all the children he fathered and all the child
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Speaker 1: support payments he failed to make. But the biggest secret
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Speaker 1: Colette knew had to do with Jay's health and how
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Speaker 1: that was seemingly connected to Jay's new marriage. In Steve
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Speaker 1: Bergman's book, I Put a Spell on You, The Bizarre
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Speaker 1: Life of Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Colette alleges that Jay would call, write,
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Speaker 1: and fax her well after they divorced and Jay had remarried.
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Speaker 1: And in these calls and letters, Collette says, Jay complained
28:42
Speaker 1: about his current wife, Monique. He would tell Collette about
28:45
Speaker 1: how Monique's cooking was making him sick and that he
28:49
Speaker 1: needed help getting Monique and her family out of his life.
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Speaker 1: And she talks about this in Bergman's book. She wonders
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Speaker 1: out loud, quote, did she kill him, unquote, and then
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Speaker 1: answers herself with this. That's what Jay thought was happening.
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Speaker 1: February 12, 2000. Screamin' Jay Hawkins was dead at age 70,
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Speaker 1: and his widow, Monique, was going through his things. She'd
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Speaker 1: changed the locks on the apartment. No one was allowed inside.
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Speaker 1: No friends, no family, no lovers, no lawyers, and no ex-wives.
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Speaker 1: The apartment was full of Jay's costumes, capes, jewelry, and photographs.
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Speaker 1: But there was something else here, too. Copies of the
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Speaker 1: letters that Jay had faxed to his fifth wife, Colette,
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Speaker 1: the ones in which Colette alleged Jay complained about getting
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Speaker 1: sick from Monique's food and asked for help getting Monique
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Speaker 1: out of his life. Monique suspected that Colette had copies
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Speaker 1: of these letters and she wanted them back so that
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Speaker 1: no one else would see them because they were unflattering
29:56
Speaker 1: at best. But when she called Colette to propose a trade,
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Speaker 1: copies of the letters in exchange for a bunch of
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Speaker 1: Colette's things that had been left in Jay's apartment, Colette refused.
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Speaker 1: The tension between the two women remained high at Jay's funeral,
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Speaker 1: where not one of Jay's 57-plus children were present. In
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Speaker 1: their place were rumors, now coming to a boil like
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Speaker 1: a kettle left too long on a hot stove. And
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Speaker 1: the rumors weren't coming from Colette alone. There was Jay's friend,
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Speaker 1: concert promoter Dimitra Mizuka, who said that Jay was afraid
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Speaker 1: of Monique. And there was another friend, John Lang, an
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Speaker 1: animator who went even further, alleging that Monique was physically
30:38
Speaker 1: abusive to Jay. There was Rudy Petrucci, the guy from
30:41
Speaker 1: the Fuzz Tones, the New York garage rock band that
30:43
Speaker 1: sometimes backed up Jay. Rudy Petrucci said that one of
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Speaker 1: Jay's bandmates, quote, insinuated that Monique killed him, unquote. And
30:52
Speaker 1: then there was Jay Hawkins as well. Jay's will had
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Speaker 1: gone missing for years, and only now had it resurfaced.
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Speaker 1: And there was hope that the will would provide clarity,
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Speaker 1: that it would answer outstanding questions. But the will did
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Speaker 1: the opposite. It raised new questions, and it made the
31:12
Speaker 1: death and legacy of Screamin' Jay Hawkins as murky as
31:17
Speaker 1: one of his tall tales. Before I get into screaming
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Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins will, let's recap what we've uncovered so far.
31:45
Speaker 1: We have numerous friends who are on the record saying
31:47
Speaker 1: that Jay was afraid of his final wife, Monique. We
31:50
Speaker 1: have a bandmate who insinuated that Monique murdered Jay. And
31:55
Speaker 1: we have an ex-wife who alleged that Jay believed that
31:57
Speaker 1: Monique was killing him. We also have Monique changing the
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Speaker 1: locks on Jay's apartment and bargaining with Jay's ex, Colette,
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Speaker 1: to get copies of letters or faxes back from her.
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Speaker 1: Letters in which, as Colette has said, Jay may have
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Speaker 1: made claims that Monique's cooking was making him sick and
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Speaker 1: that he wanted out of the marriage. But there's something
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Speaker 1: else here, too. And I didn't catch it until much
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Speaker 1: later in my research. As I said at the top
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Speaker 1: of the episode, the official cause of Screamin' Jay Hawkins'
32:26
Speaker 1: death was multiple organ failure following emergency surgery to treat
32:31
Speaker 1: an aneurysm. That's what was reported in the New York
32:34
Speaker 1: Times and other major news outlets. But the French press
32:38
Speaker 1: gave a slightly different cause. In an article published in
32:41
Speaker 1: the newspaper Le Monde, Just two days after Jay's death,
32:45
Speaker 1: the reason given is not multiple organ failure. Instead, the
32:48
Speaker 1: cause of death was occlusion intestinale. In other words, intestinal blockage.
32:55
Speaker 1: Which makes me wonder, let's say hypothetically that Jay was
32:59
Speaker 1: being poisoned. Could that have led to an intestinal blockage? Yes,
33:04
Speaker 1: it can. I looked it up. And more curiously, why
33:07
Speaker 1: were the words intestinal blockage used? not in the New
33:10
Speaker 1: York Times obituary, which was published on the very same
33:13
Speaker 1: day as the article in Le Monde, February 14th. Honestly,
33:18
Speaker 1: I don't know. Even in death, it's hard to separate
33:22
Speaker 1: fact and fiction in the Screamin' Jay Hawkins story. Harder
33:26
Speaker 1: still would you find out what was in his will.
33:31
Speaker 1: A single copy of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' will was found
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Speaker 1: in the possession of one of his former managers, Seth Greenkey.
33:38
Speaker 1: But with its discovery came the revelation that the will
33:41
Speaker 1: had not been updated since the 1970s. So it won't
33:45
Speaker 1: come as a surprise to you to learn that Jay
33:47
Speaker 1: left his estate not to his widow, Monique, but in
33:50
Speaker 1: the hands of one of his many ex-wives. But which
33:53
Speaker 1: ex-wife was written in Jay's will depends on who's telling you.
33:58
Speaker 1: In Steve Bergsman's 2019 biography of Screamin' Jay, he writes
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Speaker 1: that Jay's ex-wife, Ginny Sabalona, was named the beneficiary. Remember Jeannie?
34:08
Speaker 1: She was the woman Jay married while also engaged to
34:10
Speaker 1: Shelton Pat Newborn, a treacherous act that got him the
34:13
Speaker 1: knife in the back. But numerous articles written at the
34:16
Speaker 1: time of Jay's death and reputable outlets like NPR and
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Speaker 1: The Guardian say that the estate was left to another ex-wife,
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Speaker 1: a woman named Mary Lou Ahuna. These articles refer to
34:28
Speaker 1: Mary Lou Ahuna as Jay's fifth wife, yet Bergman's book
34:31
Speaker 1: says that Colette was Jay's fifth wife. But hold up.
34:35
Speaker 1: If the will was written back in the 70s, then
34:37
Speaker 1: how could Jay's fifth wife, whoever she was, be in it?
34:40
Speaker 1: The fifth wife hadn't happened yet. You confused? Here's something
34:44
Speaker 1: else that you probably already picked up on. The name
34:47
Speaker 1: Mary Lou Ahuna is never mentioned in Steve Bergman's book,
34:52
Speaker 1: which appears to be the only real biography out there
34:55
Speaker 1: on Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Again, Bergman names Colette as Jay's
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Speaker 1: fifth wife, the woman Jay had been confiding in near
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Speaker 1: the end of his life. I don't know, maybe Colette
35:08
Speaker 1: and Mary Lou Ahuna are the same person? But Bergman's
35:12
Speaker 1: book curiously leaves out another important piece of information. Immediately
35:17
Speaker 1: after Jay died and the will was located, Jay's widow, Monique,
35:21
Speaker 1: launched a legal challenge against the will in order to
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Speaker 1: get what she thought was her fair share of Jay's estate.
35:29
Speaker 1: And so now you're asking yourself two questions. One, how
35:33
Speaker 1: much was Jay's estate actually worth? And two, how does
35:36
Speaker 1: this get us any closer to finding out whether or
35:37
Speaker 1: not Screamin' Jay Hawkins was murdered? Let's tackle the first
35:41
Speaker 1: question first. Maybe you'd think that Screamin' Jay Hawkins had
35:45
Speaker 1: a lot to leave behind. After all, he was the
35:48
Speaker 1: co-author of a song that will be forever enshrined at
35:50
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But if you've
35:53
Speaker 1: been actually listening to this episode, you know better than
35:55
Speaker 1: to think that Jay left behind millions of dollars. Jay
35:58
Speaker 1: was a working musician. He continued to tour and perform
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Speaker 1: at age 70, not only because he knew of nothing else,
36:04
Speaker 1: but because he had bills to pay. He had long
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Speaker 1: since sold away the rights for I Put a Spell
36:09
Speaker 1: on You, so while he still earned income from performance royalties...
36:14
Speaker 1: he did not see a dime from the more lucrative
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Speaker 1: publishing royalties, which are royalties that songwriters earn. And it's
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Speaker 1: hard to know exactly when Jay sold his publishing rights,
36:24
Speaker 1: for pittance, by the way, if Jay himself is to
36:26
Speaker 1: be believed, but we know that he'd done so at
36:29
Speaker 1: least by 1984 when Jim Jarmusch made his film Stranger
36:33
Speaker 1: Than Paradise. Jarmusch remembers paying a licensing fee to use
36:37
Speaker 1: the song and being saddened to find out the hefty
36:40
Speaker 1: sum was not going to Jay. In reality, Jay's estate
36:45
Speaker 1: consisted of a modest annuity plus about $ 100, 000 in accrued royalties.
36:51
Speaker 1: The 57 or more suspected children of Screamin' Jay Hawkins
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Speaker 1: did not know what their father's estate was worth because
36:57
Speaker 1: they did not know their father. They didn't know Jay.
37:01
Speaker 1: Even the three children he was aware of from his
37:03
Speaker 1: first marriage hardly knew him. But when Jay was on
37:06
Speaker 1: his deathbed, he supposedly asked a new friend of his,
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Speaker 1: an investment banker named Miral Nagolian, to track down all
37:14
Speaker 1: 57-plus of his kids so they could, I don't know,
37:18
Speaker 1: get together and shed a tear over their dearly departed
37:21
Speaker 1: deadbeat dad whom they'd never known? Stay with me here
37:24
Speaker 1: because I'm going somewhere with all of this. Jay was
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Speaker 1: unfazed by fatherhood. When Honolulu nightclub owner Jack Sione asked
37:31
Speaker 1: Jay if he ever sent his children money, Jay responded,
37:34
Speaker 1: that's the mother's problem. But here we are, being told
37:38
Speaker 1: that his dying wish was to round up the kids
37:40
Speaker 1: he ignored his whole life. And he asks this of
37:43
Speaker 1: a third act character in his life, Miral Nagolian, an
37:47
Speaker 1: investment banker who is routinely referred to as Jay's biographer,
37:52
Speaker 1: but who has not written a biography on Jay in
37:54
Speaker 1: the 26 years since he died. Anything's possible. This all
37:58
Speaker 1: just strikes me as a little strange. Meral Nagolian went
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Speaker 1: ahead and set up a website, jayskids.com, and did receive
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Speaker 1: upwards of 2,500 submissions from people claiming to be Jay's progeny.
38:13
Speaker 1: We can only assume that the majority of those were
38:15
Speaker 1: bogus claims, scammers looking to make a buck. But then again,
38:20
Speaker 1: who the hell knows? Here's what we do know. Approximately
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Speaker 1: one year after Jay's death, a total of 36 legit
38:30
Speaker 1: children have been identified. But we don't know what happened
38:34
Speaker 1: beyond that first year because, well, because the papers stopped
38:38
Speaker 1: printing stories about it. Just like the papers stopped printing
38:41
Speaker 1: stories about what eventually happened with Jay's estate. Did it
38:44
Speaker 1: go to his ex, Ginny Sabalona, as Steve Bergsman's book said?
38:49
Speaker 1: Did it go to Mary Lou Ahuna, another alleged ex-wife
38:52
Speaker 1: who was never even mentioned in that book? Or was
38:55
Speaker 1: Jay's widow, Monique, successful in her challenge of the will?
38:59
Speaker 1: And speaking of Monique... If she murdered Jay as Colette
39:04
Speaker 1: and others have suggested, then why? For money? We've already
39:08
Speaker 1: established that Jay didn't have a fortune. But then perhaps
39:12
Speaker 1: $ 100, 000 in royalties and a modest annuity was good enough.
39:16
Speaker 1: All we're left with are questions. Questions, allegations, and suspicious behavior.
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Speaker 1: But there is simply not enough evidence to prove that Screamin'
39:27
Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins was murdered discreetly. what has been said about him.
39:33
Speaker 1: Here's a few more things that we do know. For one, Screamin'
39:37
Speaker 1: Jay Hawkins fathered more children than anyone in rock and
39:40
Speaker 1: roll history. And also, in his hotly contested will, Jay
39:44
Speaker 1: left his three legitimate children, the children he had with
39:48
Speaker 1: his first wife, Anna Mae, One dollar each. One dollar each.
39:54
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine you're one of Jay's kids. One of
39:57
Speaker 1: his only kids that he acknowledged in his lifetime. Imagine
40:01
Speaker 1: that your dad walks out on the family when you're little.
40:04
Speaker 1: You barely remember what he looked or smelled like. All
40:07
Speaker 1: you remember is how it was like that stupid cliche.
40:10
Speaker 1: How he actually went out for cigarettes or milk or
40:12
Speaker 1: whatever and never came back. But he was out there,
40:16
Speaker 1: wearing his capes, playing with his skulls and his plastic snakes,
40:20
Speaker 1: climbing out of coffins, rubbing elbows with Fats Domino and
40:23
Speaker 1: Jerry fucking Lee Lewis and Jim Jarmusch and Nick Cave,
40:26
Speaker 1: sleeping with countless women, while back home, you and your
40:29
Speaker 1: siblings and your mom struggled to keep food on the table.
40:33
Speaker 1: You try to reach out to your dad, to find him,
40:34
Speaker 1: to hear it directly from his mouth that he's happier
40:37
Speaker 1: without you, that he doesn't miss you, that he doesn't
40:40
Speaker 1: think about you, because honestly, you simply can't believe that
40:43
Speaker 1: to be true. But you never find him. Because he's
40:47
Speaker 1: a boogeyman. And the boogeyman doesn't want to be found.
40:51
Speaker 1: And when he finally does die, you find out that
40:54
Speaker 1: it's not just you and your two siblings, but that
40:57
Speaker 1: you have 57 or possibly more half-brothers and half-sisters all
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Speaker 1: over the world. And all you get out of it
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Speaker 1: is a buck. That's a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan, and
41:12
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Speaker 1: in this incredibly weird episode on Screamin' Jay Hawkins. My God,
41:39
Speaker 1: what a character. What do you think? Was Screamin' Jay
41:42
Speaker 1: Hawkins murdered? Let me know. You know, I actually tend
41:46
Speaker 1: to think he was. We couldn't find all the facts
41:48
Speaker 1: to say definitively, but I got to say where my
41:50
Speaker 1: gut goes on this. I'm not going to tell you
41:52
Speaker 1: here who I think did it. We can talk about
41:54
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