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The Onslaught of Holiday Movies · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome to the WTBH Holiday Movie Special. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye star in the holiday classic,
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  Speaker 1: White Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Ho, ho, ho!
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  Speaker 3: No!
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God!
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  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas, George!
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  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, George!
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  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, movie hoes!
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  Speaker 2: It's the gift that.
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  Speaker 3: Keeps on giving the whole year.
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  Speaker 5: Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock. Jingle bells swing
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  Speaker 5: and jingle bells ring.
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  Speaker 2: Snowin' and blowin' up bushels of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Now the jingle hop has begun.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm George.
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  Speaker 2: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 2: the quaint small town that surely is going to bring
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  Speaker 2: me love this December. That is the Oddity Studios. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get back to that later. And yes, we've survived Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: Some of us had a little more to contend with
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  Speaker 2: than others. See the last Horror Club episode. But some
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  Speaker 2: of us survived and made it through.
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  Speaker 4: And now we're in December, and we've already been essentially
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  Speaker 4: swallowed up by the holidays.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 4: As we were discussing what we should talk about next,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, well, I mean, I liked our 82 roundabout,
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  Speaker 4: whatever the hell we want to get to next option.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, what if we did that? Only
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  Speaker 2: holiday movies. Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: Christmas onslaught and then everything that comes with it.
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  Speaker 2: We could throw in any other end of the year
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  Speaker 2: holidays that we want to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have much else in there, but who knows?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Festivus is underrepresented in these films, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I am totally willing to wrestle you to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the episode was going to end.
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot of problems with you people. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to start listing them off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sipping my lovely hot chocolate here.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a good way to ease into it. We
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  Speaker 4: decided I'd throw out some hot chocolate. Some people have
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  Speaker 4: issues with hot beverages, so I had to check with you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's good for the vocal cords. You're good with that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. But along those lines, I also thought we
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  Speaker 4: should have some sort of snack. And really, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, there's many different things. But then I
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  Speaker 4: remembered something.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-oh. What could it possibly be? The suspense?
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Someone brought these pirouette things.
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  Speaker 4: To an event like years ago and I don't I
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  Speaker 4: don't knew of them I don't think I'd had them
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  Speaker 4: and then I was like oh god these are really
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  Speaker 4: good oh yeah they're classy and since then I've been
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  Speaker 4: trying to think of a good reason to have some
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  Speaker 4: and I was like hot chocolate and these weird sticks
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  Speaker 4: of wafer cream filled spread I don't know whatever it
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  Speaker 4: is so this is I thought the old school version
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  Speaker 4: was hazelnut so there's that one but there's also a dark.
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  Speaker 1: Chocolate oh fancy y'all Well, thank you very much. Don't
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  Speaker 1: mind if I do.
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  Speaker 2: Feel free to partake in these wonderful cream-filled wafers, according
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  Speaker 2: to this package here. We're not officially sponsored by Pirouettes,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll take it. I mean, if they're up for it,
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  Speaker 2: I will plug them every episode. These are delicious.
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  Speaker 1: How can a million TJ Maxx impulse buy checkout line,
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  Speaker 1: you know, purchases be wrong? Yummy.
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  Speaker 4: And that was what I heard them referred to online. Now,
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  Speaker 4: according to this, they have an entirely different name on there,
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  Speaker 4: but since we're not plugging them, fine.
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  Speaker 7: I don't really care, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're... whatever. These are the Hydrex of pirouette cookies.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know. I'll take it. They're delicious.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: So, we're talking Christmas movies here, but that is an
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  Speaker 1: extremely wide-ranging topic, despite the fact.
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  Speaker 3: Massive!
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  Speaker 1: Despite the fact that it's just a holiday genre, but
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  Speaker 1: there are so many we could discuss, right?
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  Speaker 4: And again, in previous fashion, I thought, well, let's just
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  Speaker 4: bounce around all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think there are general overall things I want
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  Speaker 4: to look at, but at the same time, we each
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  Speaker 4: did some individual outside research, aka watched a couple of movies.
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  Speaker 4: So we definitely can get into these individual films.
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  Speaker 2: I've got.
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  Speaker 4: Several questions that came about in mind, so yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: definitely want to address those.
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  Speaker 2: But I also thought a good way to ease our
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  Speaker 2: way in, because a lot of these episodes will kind
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  Speaker 2: of kick things off talking about something we've seen lately.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: And then this, I watched something and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: and this was a perfect tie-in. And in particular, I
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  Speaker 4: thought you would be the perfect person to discuss this with.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I just recently watched the first two episodes of Hawkeye. Ah!
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  Speaker 2: Which is totally Christmas themed.
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  Speaker 1: Very much so, yes.
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  Speaker 2: So, I'm assuming you've seen them?
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  Speaker 1: I certainly have. Yes, I was waiting on bated breath. Because,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up a Marvel kid. I've been
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  Speaker 1: reading comic books since I was three years old. I'm
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  Speaker 1: 45 years old now. Do the math, folks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like math.
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  Speaker 1: I've been reading comics for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I watch movies, so I don't have to
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  Speaker 2: do math.
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  Speaker 1: But I am primarily a Marvel reader, though I do
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  Speaker 1: go to D.C. and Independence, all over the place. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I am an Avengers kid. My very first comic book
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  Speaker 1: was Avengers 168. And there you go. So anything that's
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  Speaker 1: Avengers adjacent, if you've been a member, you were there
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  Speaker 1: for about five minutes, I'm all there. So Hawkeye, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Being a West Coast Avengers fan also, which was a spinoff,
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  Speaker 1: there was lots of love in that category as well.
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  Speaker 1: Hawkeye was kind of the charter member of the West
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  Speaker 1: Coast Avengers.
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  Speaker 2: Just Avengers wearing sunglasses all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: So I did want to ask you, knowing that you
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  Speaker 4: have way more invested in comics in general. I do.
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  Speaker 4: How much of the overall story is what ends up,
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  Speaker 4: at some point at least, I know every few years
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  Speaker 4: they reboot everything. But at some point, because I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was interesting that Hawkeye has a daughter, like that
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  Speaker 4: last Avengers movie, we see him showing his daughter how
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  Speaker 4: to shoot. So I'm like, it seems like that would
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  Speaker 4: be the go-to handing the baton.
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  Speaker 2: Here, look, I'm an old man. You take over, kid. But...
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he.
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  Speaker 4: Also just wouldn't want to put his own child in
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  Speaker 4: that lifestyle since he's been the entirety of these movies,
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  Speaker 4: at least trying to get the hell out of the Avengers.
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  Speaker 2: So now that he sort of is, maybe he wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want to have his kids be involved. So is this
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  Speaker 2: character that, because.
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  Speaker 4: I really like Haley Steinfeld in general, so I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know if that character already existed in the comics.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like she does, but was it always
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  Speaker 2: her that took over? Or were there many times that Hawkeye.
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  Speaker 4: Mantle has been handed off, or how does this story
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  Speaker 4: go in the comics?
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  Speaker 1: The Kate Bishop character is pretty much how she is
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  Speaker 1: in the books. She is someone who comes from wealth.
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  Speaker 1: She's the socialite kind of daughter that wants nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with the socialite life. She is inspired to be
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  Speaker 1: a superhero, primarily inspired by Hawkeye.
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  Speaker 2: We need more Batmans is what you're telling me. Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Rich people that just decide to be a superhero.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't want anything to do with the wealth
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  Speaker 1: and going to parties and all that kind of jazz.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to go out and fight crime and do things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we all want that, right? Exactly. I stalk
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  Speaker 2: this area at night in a cape. Is that not cool?
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  Speaker 1: In a mask? Yeah, sure, perfectly normal, yeah. As for
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  Speaker 1: the similarities, Hawkeye's kind of been done two different ways
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  Speaker 1: in the comics. The traditional Hawkeye, he doesn't have a family.
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  Speaker 1: There was one book series they did, kind of like
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  Speaker 1: an alternate universe Marvel stuff.
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  Speaker 2: They did a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, called The Ultimate Universe, where the Miles Morales character
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  Speaker 1: came from. Anywho, but that version of Hawkeye, he had
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  Speaker 1: a wife and kids, and they were actually killed at
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  Speaker 1: one point. So it kind of causes Hawkeye to go
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  Speaker 1: even deeper. So that Hawkeye wasn't so much, he was
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  Speaker 1: a little more of a serious guy, whereas the traditional
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  Speaker 1: Marvel Universe guy was kind of a goofball a bit.
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  Speaker 1: So this movie version of Hawkeye is kind of a
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  Speaker 1: combination of the two. He's a little more serious, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he never really wanted to pass down the stuff to
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  Speaker 1: his kids. So definitely Kate Bishop is the legacy character.
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  Speaker 4: It is interesting, just the entire run of these MCU movies,
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  Speaker 4: that he is the outlier of the group. Everybody else
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  Speaker 4: are a bunch of loners and outcasts, and they really are,
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  Speaker 4: without the Avengers family, they're kind of, miserable really even
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  Speaker 4: somebody like Tony Stark who back and forth he's with
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  Speaker 4: her he's not with her he wants to have a
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  Speaker 4: kid even when he has a kid give it a
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  Speaker 4: couple years so it's like you don't really have a
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  Speaker 4: happy home life with anybody else really I mean Hawkeye's
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  Speaker 4: the one that's always trying to like get away from
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  Speaker 4: the Avengers so he can have this happy home life
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  Speaker 4: so again he was always a different version get a little.
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  Speaker 2: With Ant-Man I guess but still like you.
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  Speaker 4: Don't really get much of that from our core people
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  Speaker 4: they're all kind of broken and lonely sure yeah it
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  Speaker 4: is what leads them to the avengers yeah and it's kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of interesting too they did that with hawkeye because um
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  Speaker 1: the comics version of him he grew up in a
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  Speaker 1: like basically he grew up in a circus like carnival
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  Speaker 1: kind of atmosphere that was all like a front for
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  Speaker 1: petty crime like everybody like went out and robbed banks
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  Speaker 1: and you know you know mugged people what kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that so he learned how to shoot how
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  Speaker 1: to do stuff like that from basically a bunch of criminals.
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  Speaker 1: And then he realized the error of his ways and
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  Speaker 1: became a superhero and hence Hawkeye was born. But he's
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  Speaker 1: always kind of like a smart aleck kind of character
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  Speaker 1: in the comics. He always tries to really ride Captain America.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the lame old man to him. But he
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  Speaker 1: also has a tremendous amount of respect for Captain America.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, why do you keep riding him like
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  Speaker 1: he's your old man you want to keep needling, but
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  Speaker 1: then you love everything he does?
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  Speaker 2: No, I get that. Because I've realized that over the years.
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  Speaker 4: If I don't give you hell, it probably means I
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  Speaker 4: genuinely don't like you. There are people that just annoy
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  Speaker 4: the hell out of me, and I just don't talk
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  Speaker 4: to them. So if I'm being a jerk to you,
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  Speaker 4: it probably means I kind of like you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I get that. I get that, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the TV series is primarily based off of the
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  Speaker 1: Matt Fraction, David Aja run of Hawkeye. It was kind
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  Speaker 1: of a solo book that kind of really paired he
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  Speaker 1: and Kate together for the first time. The dog was introduced.
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  Speaker 1: The Russian mobsters in the tracksuits that say bro were
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  Speaker 1: in there. So it's a really fun series.
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  Speaker 2: The dog seems so specific.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, that's definitely something that like you wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: just throw that in for the hell of it.
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  Speaker 1: America, you're about to fall in love with Lucky the
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  Speaker 1: Pizza Dog.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I do like, they did a really good job,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed these first two episodes. And just sort of
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  Speaker 4: creating her in the span of an opening theme. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just like the fact that we get her as
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  Speaker 4: a little kid. I also, I'll get back to that
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  Speaker 4: in a minute. But we get her as a little kid,
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  Speaker 4: and then just within the credits, we see, I need
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  Speaker 4: a bow and arrow.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She becomes the bow and arrow champion. I need to
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  Speaker 4: learn to... throw people around the room. So I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be a black belt by the time I'm 15.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to learn fencing. I'm going to like any traditional,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sport type thing that kind of makes you
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  Speaker 4: a badass. Like here she is like becoming great at it.
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  Speaker 4: So I like just in the opening credits, more or less,
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  Speaker 4: we get that little introduction enough that we're like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: here she is as a somewhat grown up now.
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  Speaker 2: And she's, kind of ready to kick.
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  Speaker 4: People's ass but also she's not trained in any real
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  Speaker 4: sense so this is where hawkeye comes in so they
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  Speaker 4: do a good job of setting that up i do
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  Speaker 4: want to say also back to that original point i
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  Speaker 4: like that they continue in this series films and now
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  Speaker 4: the running series to look at how these events affect
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  Speaker 4: each other i feel like so many movies don't do
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  Speaker 4: that and definitely the attempted dc universe just doesn't give
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  Speaker 4: a shit about anybody yeah so it's like The fact
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  Speaker 4: that the Marvel Universe really, so much so that we
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  Speaker 4: created a villain out of that in the Spider-Man series.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. Vulture was a regular guy. It's like he was
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  Speaker 2: just trying to do his job, take care of his family.
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  Speaker 4: And the fallout of the Avengers and what they did
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  Speaker 4: ruined his life.
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  Speaker 2: And ended up sending him down this road. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: He's actually one of my favorite characters, if not villains,
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  Speaker 4: in that whole MCU because he's such a.
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  Speaker 7: Real grounded person.
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  Speaker 2: But also because he's only created because of the events
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  Speaker 2: of the Avengers.
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  Speaker 1: And making a fairly non-interesting villain being the Vulture. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's a classic Spidey villain, but he's an old man
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  Speaker 1: in a wingsuit.
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  Speaker 4: I give all credit to Michael Keaton. Again, that is
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  Speaker 4: one of my favorite performances, definitely in the MCU.
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  Speaker 2: Like, he brings so.
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  Speaker 4: Much to that character that could have been just run-of-the-mill. Like,
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  Speaker 4: up until that point, they were doing some.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty bland villains along the way, and like, He's so
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  Speaker 2: interesting and maybe is more interesting than our Peter at
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  Speaker 2: that point. Like, Peter doesn't have much to do except
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  Speaker 2: be a dorky kid. So, like, introducing him.
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  Speaker 4: In that movie with Peter, it's like he kind of
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  Speaker 4: steals the thunder as far as, like, the drama and
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  Speaker 4: the conflict away from what Peter's doing.
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  Speaker 2: He's just trying to, like, hang on for the ride
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  Speaker 2: at that point.
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  Speaker 1: And what a fun scene, too, of when he goes
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  Speaker 1: to pick up MJ- further date or whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: And then like, there's dad. It's like, Oh crap. I,
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  Speaker 2: we know you, I know you, you, you know me. Shit.
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  Speaker 2: I still go to as one of, not even MCU.
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  Speaker 4: Like maybe one of my favorite acting scenes ever that
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  Speaker 4: in the car.
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  Speaker 2: Where he's like, he's like, well, it's not MJ. It's
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  Speaker 2: the other girl.
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  Speaker 4: But like the other guy, he's like going in the dance.
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  Speaker 4: I want to have a talk with Peter. Him that
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  Speaker 4: little scene with him in the front seat. Peter's in
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  Speaker 4: the back.
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  Speaker 2: You don't really even see the gun.
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  Speaker 4: The gun is just sort of hinted at that like
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  Speaker 4: he suddenly pulls out a gun and starts making demands
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  Speaker 4: and threats about, you know, what your intentions are with
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  Speaker 4: my daughter's scene, but also on a very epic villain level.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, it is so subtle and so masterfully
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  Speaker 4: done that, yeah, Michael Keaton, amazing in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of hope we get to see a
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  Speaker 1: glimpse of him in this new upcoming Spider-Man movie coming
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  Speaker 1: up on the 17th.
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  Speaker 2: He's definitely coming back in some new, in that Sony
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  Speaker 2: offshoot version, because they showed him in, which one is it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Morbius?
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  Speaker 4: I think they had him featured in the trailer already.
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  Speaker 4: Plus then there's, I'm assuming, crossover into the Blade territory.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm sure in that weird little Sony offshoot, he's
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  Speaker 4: going to.
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  Speaker 2: Come back. I'd rather have him in the regular MCU.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little more worried about the Sony offshoot, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing, the Blade's going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: traditional MCU, so he and Morbius may actually not cross paths. Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And seeing as technically in the MCU, even though if
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: you watch Loki, they name-dropped vampires in the MCU, we
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  Speaker 1: officially have not seen vampires.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But if you have seen the movie Eternals, there is
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  Speaker 1: a certain stinger scene, and we don't see.
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  Speaker 1: Mr mashallah ali just yet but there's a very distinctive
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: voice on the other end of that camera and i'm
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  Speaker 1: very excited about that we will get back to that
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  Speaker 1: down yes we will yes we will but.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: To get back to this one but yeah i i
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: do really like that they've gone all in on the
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: christmas theme like the whole thing is almost like a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: countdown of like look i said i'd be home for
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  Speaker 2: christmas so like The whole arc of this story is
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: being sort of jammed into the Christmas vacation time.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: And like it really like every episode where we're seeing
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: skaters at 30 Rock. We're seeing like, you know, everything
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: going to see the Christmas tree. Like everything's New York
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: at Christmas kind of jammed into this weird version. And
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I'm enjoying that. I wonder if in the long run
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: that will play. I mean, because it's falling right at
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Christmas now.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. Are people going to be ready to rewatch
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: it down the line in July? I don't know. Like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think about it as.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: An issue with like Iron Man three, which is also
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: a very Christmas centric movie. Sure. So I don't know
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: that it really will factor in, but I guess you
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: have to worry about that stuff when you're investing millions
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: of dollars in these things.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's, it's not really much of a concern
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So, but I really kind of like how much they
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: tied it to Christmas.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And of course, I mean, I'm, They're going to get
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: much more into the buddy cop aspect over the next
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: couple episodes, I'm sure. So I think it was at
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Disney Plus Day they showed an extended scene. It's like
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a fight scene that's in the car. Like they're in
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the car running from the gangsters. And it's kind of
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: they use the camera, that 360 kind of hand. We're like,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: where's the guy holding the camera? Because there's no way. Anyway,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it's a really well done scene if you haven't seen it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But it's probably coming up, I'd say, in episode, I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: would think, three or four.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I do like their dynamics.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Between the two of them even just in that one
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: episode where we got them crossing over it's already kind
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: of fun and she's like respectful of him but at
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: the same time like hey look i do my thing
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: like you got to give me a little chance to
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you know i want you to teach me this stuff
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: but i'm also good at what i do like.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: It's it's a fun dynamic so yeah they they made
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: a little few tweaks of course because like in the
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: uh the comic run they kind of introduced the two
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: of them together hawkeye is kind of dynamic is that
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: when he's Hawkeye with the Avengers, he's saving the world.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: When he's Clint Barton at home, he's a screw up.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: He has no social life.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: No friends.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: He lives in a rundown building that he owns and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: no one else in the building pays rent, but it's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a rundown building.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's this kid.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: That pops up his doorstep that basically wants to be him,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but also thinks that she is better than him. And
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: in most respects, she is correct.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So, It's just really interesting. So it's kind of like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: she ends up being the mother hen kind of dynamic,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: even though she's younger. But yeah, it's a lot of fun.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So the way they've kind of tweaked things.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: And interesting that they've, at least so far, so heavily
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: featured the Ronin character. Especially in this MCU version, that
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: is his lowest point in his life. There's no worse
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: point that he existed that he's... had to deal with
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: that and created that character out of all this like
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: anger and hostility and loneliness and so like the fact
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: that that's sort of coming back to haunt him now
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: when he's you know as Hawkeye he's on the up
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: and up and he's like not gonna go kill people
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: whereas Ronan had no hope anymore and just murdered people
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: whenever he felt like it so it is sort of
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: like that ghost coming back to haunt him now that
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: he's sort of out of the picture and living his
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: normal life.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Again that yeah this Ronan's come back to.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Come back out of the past to absolutely reckon with.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: So that's, that's kind of interesting too.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: But yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm a big fan of this Jack Duquesne guy.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we, he's obviously going to be
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a villain, you know, it's like, he's, you know, he's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: smarmy as all hell, you know, just you, you want
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to just like, just file a restraining order on it
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: anytime he walks.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: On the screen.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just, yeah, of course I know what
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he's going to become, but I won't spoil it for
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: those who are uninitiated. But yeah, We're looking for some
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: fun stuff here.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yep. So that was a good way to ease into
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: this little Christmas thrown in the middle of some geeky
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: comic book talk. Absolutely. Now let's just get all in.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: As we were throwing this out yesterday and I described it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It as the onslaught of holiday movies so i was
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: like well there there's our episode so that's what we
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: will now get into so where do we even begin um.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I mean i've got specific three that i watched i
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: think you said you watched three as well i did
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: yep that was just sort of since we decided to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: do this just had enough time to cram those in
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: there and some hawkeye so like that's Really just recent stuff.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: So that's why I was like, I don't want it
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: to be overly focused because it's just going to be
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: the random stuff that came about, you know, in the last.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Few weeks when we decided, hey, let's just do this.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: So it's just sort of focused on this whatever the
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: hell came together in the last minute, which I feel
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: like is a good representation of everyone's December now. Because
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: as soon as it kicks in, well, let's be real.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: They start Christmas and when I'm still playing with my
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Halloween toys. So, like, the fact that it kicks in,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: but definitely by the time you get past Thanksgiving, like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: it's all.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: That's just everything. In fact, annoyingly so.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: On the night after Thanksgiving this year, on that Friday,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: all three of the main networks played their whichever ones
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: they owned of the animated holiday specials.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. At the same time. Which, as a kid.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: used to drive me insane that would be a nightmare
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: yeah you couldn't watch them all at the same time
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: now granted now you can kind of just watch whatever
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: the hell you want digital wise but I still like
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I'm watching it on antenna I'm old school so like
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting there going.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I can't watch all these you're killing me.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: It's the pre-adolescent soapy's choice.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It really is bastards making me choose between my favorite
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: animated holiday specials which are not always right up there
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: when you compare them to these other movies those are
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: like the pinnacle really Most of the movies don't quite
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: get that high on the favorites list.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of specific favorites for Christmas movies.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: As a kid, I grew up on a lot of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the animated fairs. If you come at me with Grinch
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Stole Christmas, Charlie Brown Christmas, Garfield Christmas, I'm totally down.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I know you all recently had a discussion on some
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of the Garfield holiday episodes.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Mostly Thanksgiving. Mostly Thanksgiving. Which is weird.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: The Christmas one is very sad, too, for children's. Because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: basically there's a portion where Garfield's sitting on Grandma's lap
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and Grandma's reminiscing about Grandpa. You know, he's passed on.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: She's missing him on the holidays. And so she's just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: talking about, you know, we're going to admit it. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it's just like, it's really deep and touching.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: But it's like, man, this is kind of like... Man,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that's like 80s era.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: So 80s era kids stuff was not really dumbed down
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: for kids or softened up in the blow of the
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: emotional impact of what's being thrown at you sometimes. Like
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: everything that was popular with kids in the 80s, now
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: you look at it and.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh God, why were we okay with this? But...
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I can see that, yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm also a big fan of a lot of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the Christmas movies that are traditional. These are, according to Hoyle,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Christmas movies, but they are somewhat forgotten. They are lost
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in the shuffle of the popularity contest.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, really, it only kicked... Well, okay, there's been
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of modes.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: There was the normal stuff, because Christmas movies have been
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: around forever. You go back to... early miracle on 34th
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: street and it's a wonderful life. And like all these
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: older movies that get lumped in as Christmas.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Movies, Bishop's wife, Bishop's wife. Yeah. Any of the Scrooge,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: there's 14 versions of Scrooge. St. Louis and all of these. Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Shop around the corner. Like all of these, like there's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: plenty of old school movies.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: So there was that, but they were like a handful,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: you know, it was like once a year you try
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: to watch that, you know, especially early days, but when
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: it came on TV, cause there was no other way
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to watch it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then I feel like there was a shift when
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you hit probably....
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, cable changed it a little, but I feel
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: like the cable channels, once you got out of worrying
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: about Showtime and Movie Channel and stuff like that, because
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: they still just played them every once in a while,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: but once you get to the TBS level, when they
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: were like, okay, we bought this movie, we're going.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: To play it for 24 hours straight. Yeah. And then
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a different channel went, well, we bought this movie.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: We're going to.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Play it for 24 hours straight.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And like, so they picked like 10 different movies that
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: each sort of network got on board with, it feels like.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: And it's like those became the holiday classics for this
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: somewhat modern era. And like those just got played to
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: death and then everybody knew them.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So you're going to have a Christmas story.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: And then you're, well, Christmas Vacation was the other channel
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: that they started playing at 24 hours a day.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Sure, yep.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: But even stuff like Elf very quickly went from being
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a new recent movie to one that people.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: throw out there as, like, their go-to Christmas movie. Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So that was a quick turnaround for that one.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: That's definitely, like, Elf is definitely when people's, like, that's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: their all-time Christmas movie. That's definitely, like, an age range there, too.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, if you're, like, a 90s kid.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Because it's so recent.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, honestly, too, like, I would lump that in.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, Elf is a favorite of mine.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Elf is a good movie. Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: And more so, I think it caught people by surprise.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I think that's why we had, like, a year or
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: two before it really caught on, because people were just like, hey,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: you know what is a good movie?
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I think it just.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Seemed like another dumb Christmas movie, and Will Ferrell had
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: been in a lot of movies at that point, so, like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: some of them were good, some of them were not quite.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: As good as the others. So, like, I feel like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: people were just caught off guard by, like.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: This is actually, like, a really good movie and works
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: as a Christmas movie.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Right, yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: So I think that took maybe just a year or two,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and then suddenly it was like, oh, my God, everybody's favorite.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Movie is Elf. So there's, like, those set movies. Scrooge
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: does another one that, like.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't beloved when it came out it did okay people
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: liked it but like as time went on and people
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: watched it on cable and then networks got a hold
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: of it and i think it's another one that gets
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: played a lot around the holidays like.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And scrooge used to there was a period where like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: scrooge was kind of forgotten but basically i think it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: because all these like 80s kids got i grew up
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: or like hey this is a bill murray christmas movie
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and it's good.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: And people genuinely have like weird feelings about bill murray
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: like it's not like a normal celebrity like people are
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: endeared to Bill Murray in a way that is beyond
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: normal fandom.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like the Keanu Reeves level, too,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: where it's like he's almost like a holy figure.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just attachment to him. And that, I think,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: is what comes through.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Because Scrooge has weird off moments, but by the end,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Bill Murray.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Is so heartfelt.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: And that's what sells that movie, is that final scene
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: with him, you're just like, if it weren't Bill Murray,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: this wouldn't work.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: If you switched it up and that movie went to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Chevy Chase at the time, No way in hell. It
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: would have fallen flat.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: You can't make that work without somebody that's that endearing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: No offense, but Chevy Chase is not that endearing.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: He works as Clark Griswold in goofy stuff.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You've got to have the one endearing scene.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: There's a little heart to Clark Griswold, but he's busy
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: doing his Pratt Falls and doing his silly stuff. That's there,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't overwhelm the story. Bill Murray being a
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: bastard and then finding his heart is like, Yeah, it
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: comes together so well.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: So I feel like there's those movies.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: There were those handful of movies that got bought up
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: and then played to death from like the 90s on
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: that have become like the modern day classics now.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And then there was a shift in the last six
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to eight years that like the entire....
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Industry changed really when you get to and i don't
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: know what the real kickoff was but i feel like
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: it was in the span of this show so in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the last 10 years plus everything changed and there became
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: a whole new industry of holiday movies right when you
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: get to hallmark and lifetime and now netflix has done
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: a ton of them they're kind of of that same
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: ilk and like It is just a different world now.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: There are so many there that I don't know how... Like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I almost, for the last several years, have wanted to
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: just devote... Like, I feel like you can't even devote
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: December to it. Like, you almost need a full-time show
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to just go over all of these freaking movies because
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: it's out of control.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: There's so many. And it's kind of a joke because
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they're all sort of the same. No offense, but.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And see, where are the Martin Scorseses and Ridley Scotts
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: complaining about Christmas movies on Lifetime and Hallmark?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They want to bitch about superhero movies every chance they get.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: These are networks that are pulling out 47 of the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: same damn movie. You just swap the white people out,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: because we also know these are completely devoid of any diversity.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the funny thing is going online and
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: seeing the little things that will pop up and be like, okay,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: look at these 28 posters for movies. And it's all
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: white couples standing in front of a Christmas tree. White
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: couple in their small town standing in front of a
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Christmas tree. Here they are in the front yard standing
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: in front of a Christmas tree. It's the exact same
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: thing over and over and over again.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's always there's some woman who can't find
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a man, but she's independent and she just needs a man.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, what kind of signal are we sending here?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Is she independent or does she need a man? This dude, like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: she needs oxygen.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Well, and I've said this in a previous year. I remember, like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: there's also, like, the small town aspect. Like, they're usually from.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: New York City.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: And then they get sucked away to some quaint little
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: town that, like, normally I'd make fun.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Of these idiots.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: But they're so wholesome here. And they just enjoy Christmas
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: so much. And that's where I'm going to find love.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: But I made the joke that there's now a town
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: somewhere that they just because they shoot so many of
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: these damn movies that just exist like the old West
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: towns in old Hollywood that were just like every week
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it'd be a new town for a different. movie they
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: were shooting.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Now it's the same thing.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: They're shooting so many of these holiday movies that it's like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: somewhere there's gotta be a small town where.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Gallenberg must be thrilled.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, there's gotta be like, okay, this time
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: we're shooting at the bakery and then tomorrow we're gonna
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: shoot over at the movie theater and like, it's just
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: this one street and a half that they can shoot
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: all these couples together. Of two white people standing in
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: front of a Christmas tree somewhere where they have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: see all these scenes.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And it's exhausting.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And I think it was a few years ago. I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: don't know if any of these were Christmas movies or not.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But I think Hallmark was here in Louisville shooting locations
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and shooting some stuff. And, like, I think they shot, like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: scenes worth of, like, 20 films.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Sounds about right.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Of course, they weren't. About Louisville. They just needed a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: place to shoot that had low tax rates, and I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: guess Louisville, Kentucky.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: At one point we had that, then we changed our
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: laws again and messed everything up.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hallmark hadn't been back yet.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But apparently the scuttlebutt over this recent Thanksgiving Black Friday
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: weekend was that Johnny Depp was in town.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, he used to claim Kentucky. I don't think
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: he does anymore, but... Technically, he came from here. There
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: is footage of him shopping at some local shop. We
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: don't claim him anymore because now we all know he's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: kind of an asshole. Yeah, and that's kind of a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: weird thing, too.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked me about this. The whole case with he
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and the ex-wife stuff, I have to say, yes, that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: still going on. And it's really difficult which side you
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: want to be on because they both look like horrible people.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think either come out good. They really don't.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: She's also kind of a jerk in that story. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know. maybe you two just
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: stay the hell away from each other. How about that?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, can we put you on separate islands?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: But that makes sense because I know, um, as a
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: tie into previous episode, when we talked to Sam Irving
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: years ago, that became like a second career for him.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Like he's done tons of horror growing up, but like
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: that just became a business that opened up and like
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: he directed a.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Ton of those Christmas movies.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: And like, he's just like, that's what pays my bills now.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: It's like, and, and, Once he came here, I think
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: he met people that were in the industry working out
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: of this small town that we are.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why six months later he was
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: back shooting a bunch of that stuff. So I think
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: he was involved in some of that stuff they were
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: shooting here. Crazy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it is an insane system that has been
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: put into motion. And it's overwhelming. Again, as much as
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: people talk about the dumbing down of Hollywood movies... I
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: think it's Lifetime.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: No, maybe Hallmark. One of the two. I think it's Hallmark, actually.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: They do their unveiling of their big Christmas whatever, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: they do their countdown to Christmas.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It's kind of both. Every day, they release a new...
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: They don't just play an old one.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: They release a new Christmas movie for 25 days straight.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's ridiculous. Can you imagine, in general, having
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to make 25 movies?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Let alone in the span of your lifetime, let alone
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: to be ready. Now, granted, it's not all the same director,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: but the studio, the people involved in.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Running this company, have to get 25 movies ready this year.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They may have.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: 10 directors, but there may be two editors.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous to think of putting out that number of films.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's no wonder so many of them are similar.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: How the hell would you come up with an original idea?
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: You can't. But yeah, that being said, like I said earlier,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I really like to champion some of the quality yet
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: forgotten Christmas movies.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: All right. One in particular, a favorite of mine, it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a dark comedy, but Mixed Nuts
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: with Steve Martin is a fine Christmas movie. I don't
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: even know if I saw... I remember when it came out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it then. I remember it coming on
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: cable and.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: pretty sure i was just at the point i'd had
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: enough of adam sandler which happened pretty quick for me
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: i know people love him out there but yeah and
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: that was i'm hitting this like.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And that was real i mean he had just left
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: pretty early yeah like pretty early i don't think happy
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: gilmore like he definitely did billy madison but i don't
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: think happy gilmore didn't come out.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: It was just right at that point which is weird
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: because i do love steve martin and always have like
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and to this day i'm still watching and murders in
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the building because steve martin's in it yeah but something
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: about that one just like was weird at the time.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And I was like, eh, whatever. And I just didn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: get around to it. And I don't think I've ever
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: watched it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It's a, you know, it's a good, like I said,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it basically, it takes place at a suicide hotline and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: they're Christmas.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But it's a ragtag band of misfits. Some people work
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: at the suicide hotline. Some are patients, some are just
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: weirdos off the street and whatever else. Um, but yeah, it's, it's,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's a cute little movie and, But it's one that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: never gets seen anymore. It is definitely a Christmas movie.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I definitely want to add it to the list. I
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: will try to overlook the silly Adam Sandler bullshit and
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: focus on Steve Martin being Steve Martin.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And one other. Every now and then this gets pulled out.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: They put it in the playlist of holiday movies. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: 90% of the time this is forgotten. And it kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of surprises me because, of course, we're talking superhero movies.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: This was a.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Christmas movie produced by Alexander Salkin, the man who gave
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: us Superman. He made a man fly and wanted to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: do it again in the 80s by doing the ultimate
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus Christmas movie called Santa Claus the Movie.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one I remember even at the time. Seemed
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: like it didn't do well. No.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And I remember it being on cable and seeing bits
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: and pieces of it, but I'm like, because isn't that
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the one with Dudley Moore?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: That was another one of those. I was like, there
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: are great performances from him, and then he did a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: lot of other stuff.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And I was like, that was right in that range of, man,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: he is just taking whatever comes along these days.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It is such an uneven movie. Your Santa Claus is
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a fine actor. I can't remember, David Hiddleston, the Big.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Lebowski, basically. Okay, okay. Yeah, he's good. Blazing Saddles. He's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: your Santa Claus. A perfect cast.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Judy Cornwell is Mrs. Claus. British, you know, people know
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: from like Are You Being Served? Yeah. Or Have You
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Been Served? But yeah, great BBC comedy. She was all
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: over that. Been in a bunch of other BBC stuff
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and British films and whatnot. So it's kind of weird
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: too that Santa Claus married a British woman and he's not.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, yeah. He travels all over the world. I guess
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he'll pick whoever the hell he wants.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And, of course, we get the whole story, like the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: beginning of Santa Claus and whatever time period he came from,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and then fast-forwarding to the modern day where we are now. And, like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: John Lithgow was our villain, right? So, okay, we've seen
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: John Lithgow play tons of villains.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: That part seems interesting, at least. But he goes for
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a bit more of a comedic villain, which.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: At the time, we had not seen from him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Fast forward ten years later, he makes a whole sitcom,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: 30 Rock from the Sun, and we love him for it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: But in the 1980s.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: He was still a serious actor. We weren't ready for
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: funny John Lithgow. We're coming off of The World According
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: to Garp, John Lithgow. Yes. Which is not what most
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: people are ready for. Yeah. So, yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And of course, this is also the film that introduced
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: me to the color puce. I did not know this
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: color existed, but there you go.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I know the term. I rarely use it. And then
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I have to pin down what color I think it is.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: So I'll just find the Crayola box. It's a pinkish, reddish.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: That's where I was leaning, yeah. It's somewhere in between
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the pink and.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Red and purple area, but For some reason, I like
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to come up with odd references that no one will
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: get that only I think is funny. So I bring
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: up puce on every now and then. And I'm giggling
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: on the inside and no one knows why.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Well, you're always waiting for that one person.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Like the other person in the room that goes, ha ha!
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And you're like, that guy!
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: That guy's my best friend there.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's what we're all waiting for.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I make so many references that, again, maybe one other
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: person in the world I know of will get.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And they're not there. So I'm just doing it for
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the hell of it at that point. And yeah, that's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: most of my life.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I remember seeing this as a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: kid in the theaters, which was, you know, again, unusual.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, this should have had everything going.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it had this giant epic song at the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: end by Sheena East and it's Christmas all over the world.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And yeah. I do like me some Sheena East.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... It's a lovely and slightly dramatic song, but.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It was a big push, though. I remember at the time, like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: there were tons of ads. I feel like it had
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: TV commercials. It had print ads when they still did
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: that sort of thing.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Like, it had a big push that Christmas.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like it didn't work even that Christmas.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I don't have tons of, like... Again, most of my
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: go-tos are ones that everybody's seen.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And then the other ones are the.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Alternative Christmas movies that people just want to argue about
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: all the time.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Cause like, I'll be the one that's like, yeah, Batman
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Returns is a Christmas movie. Shut up. I don't care. Like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, that's the kind, I like the
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: weird stuff that like, obviously Burton goes, cause like Edward
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Scissorhands is a Christmas movie.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: It's like, that's the kind of stuff I think about
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: because it's the stuff.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: That I like anyway.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, and it's also kind of taking
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: place around Christmas. It's like, those kind are ones that
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I think of as like my, alternate christmas movies that
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: aren't like your mainstream a christmas story that i can
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: like recite at this point so and.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Of course you know die hard's become the popularity lexicon
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: now that it's officially christmas.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Movie now i will get back to that it ties
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: in heavily to one of my um movies that i
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: watched this year sure.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: But i mean if you want to go other you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: know are they a christmas movie or not i mean
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you could also go the first lethal weapon.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I've always said that well that's Shane Black. He just
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: likes setting everything in Christmas.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: The First Gremlins, definitely.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, that one we did and it was like
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the first year when we started and it was like
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: we started right around Christmas.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, let's just watch Gremlins and kick
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this off.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that was our first Christmas movie in this
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Wonderful show that is now being forced upon you.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: One that is a great comedy, but no one talks
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: about it being a Christmas movie, Trading Places.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Definitely a Christmas movie.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It kind of covers Christmas and New.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Year's, actually. Yeah, it wraps up at New Year's. Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Another one that kind of, you know, it's an 80s
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: film that's warmed my heart. It wasn't a very popular one,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: but Cobra, the Sylvester Stallone movie. Takes place on Christmas.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Lots of decorations. I love Cobra. I'm not saying it's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a good movie, but I love Gumball.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we see a retro Toys R Us commercial. That's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: always one of the warmest parts.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Of that movie. He's sitting there like.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It's really where he's got all his gun cleaning materials
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in the refrigerator, which you wouldn't want to put your
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: oil in the fridge, folks.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Many gun owners can tell you that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: When you go to get your old pizza that's been
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: sitting there for days and looks like cardboard, you also
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: want to be able to get your gun cleaning stuff.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just one stop.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And he slices the... the tip of the pizza off
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: with a pair of scissors and eats the remaining....
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Why? I don't know. That's not.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Like I said, there's a lot of weird shit going
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: on in that movie, but it's.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Like the most quintessential... Dumb Stallone. Yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Because everything about it is perfect in its own dumb way.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: That poster is the greatest thing.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I had, for so many years, that poster hanging
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: on my wall. Because it's just perfect Stallone in his
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: most ridiculous, dumb, look, I'm a badass.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: It's like everything about it. The gun sticking out of
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: his belt and the match in his mouth.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: He's the coolest badass possible. But yet, isn't this a
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: little silly?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And fun Easter egg there about the Cobra poster. So,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: fast forward, you know, ten so years later for the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger Last Action Hero movie. And they're in the blockbuster
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: video and they see the standee of Terminator 2 and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: there's Stallone.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: On the bike.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: The image of Stallone they used for that was from
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the Cobra promotional stuff.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Again, I don't think Last Action Hero gets the.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: credit that it deserves. It is way ahead of the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: curve in what it was trying to do.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So meta.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Way before anybody got that kind of stuff. So yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly appreciate anyone who appreciates that movie, not just
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: for the entertainment value of it, but because of the meta.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Because it was smart in a way that people didn't
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: even realize, you know, it was like, it was doing
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: things that were sort of above the public consciousness at
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's, It's an interesting movie. Again, not even
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: a perfect movie, but what it's doing is so smart
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: that like... so ahead.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Of the game so self-depreciating and the funny thing too
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: is like it's got like the overt rock score or
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: something like that but it also is a quality soundtrack
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: i have that soundtrack i do too like they picked
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: good bands and they offered good songs you know so
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it's like it's not a crappy soundtrack by any means.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: But still it's like it's a it's another one of
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: those it was a huge push that year it was
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the next big schwarzenegger movie and they expected it to
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: do like the rest of them and like People did
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: not get it at the time.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Dude, I saw that in theater twice. I went and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: saw it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I remember.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And thought it was great.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: But, like, yeah, it's funny that they just expected that
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: to be the next big Schwarzenegger hit.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And, like, on paper, it should be. It's Schwarzenegger. It's
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: got this great villain. It's got all these great action scenes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Just you add that one little aspect that's, like, a
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: little smarter than what people are looking for, and they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: just like, this movie's dumb.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, wait, it's funny? Oh, and it's making
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: fun of itself?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: What?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. It steps out of the bonds of a normal
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: action movie to make fun of action movies?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: No thank you.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy how little it takes to shake America's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: composure when it comes to a film. Basically, just a
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: little thing can just take you out of it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Really? Suck it up, Buttercup. Come on.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: That's what I say about a lot of standard movie goers.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Anything that gets a little too weird It doesn't take
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: much to weird out the normal people of the world.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: And like regular stuff that they're used to, which maybe
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: we'll get back to that later. But regular stuff that
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: they're used to, they're all in.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Even if it's repetitive and unimaginative. But you go just
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a little too far outside of what they're comfortable with
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and the whole movie's gone in their mind. They're just like, nope,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm done with this.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And transitioning from that ridiculousness. into something that is completely
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: 100% full-bore ridiculous involving the same star, the all-time holiday classic,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Jingle All The Way.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Come on, people. This is a good one here. Schwarzenegger again. Schwarzenegger,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Phil Hartman, Sinbad folks here. Come on. How could this
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: not be great?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: It still seems like it missed the mark initially. It
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: found its fan base as years went on.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: It sure did, yeah. But it didn't really seem like
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: it was the big hit that they were hoping for
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: that year. But eventually, again, I think that was one
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: on cable everybody eventually watched.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: And then started making their references and their superhero, I've
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: got to go find that toy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And then they're like, okay, well, there were things that
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: were kind of good about that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think that took a little while.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And if you're a Conan O'Brien fan, he loves this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: movie and constantly references it during the holidays. So it just,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Conan fan since high school. So
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: it just kind of just seeped into, you know, my thing. But, yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: it is completely ridiculous, but so fun.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Are you a big enough fan to have gone on...
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Full in for the sequel? Because I don't think I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: realized there was a sequel until recently. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I am fully aware of the existence of said sequel.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, it stars someone.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: That's my problem.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: That I would rather not see anything of his. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I refer to Mr. Larry the Cable Guy. Really, no biggie.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: complete disrespect to him other than the fact that i
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: just want nothing to do with him yeah you know
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: i mean the same kind of goes for the whole
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you know redneck comedy guys like it just y'all y'all
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: do your thing it's cool but it just it ain't
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: me it's.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Not for me personally it even ruins well again i
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: the lesser of those pixar movies but like mater just
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: drags the whole movie down i'm like i never really
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: got into cars anyway but then every time i'm like
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: oh yeah that's why Every time I'm like, all right, McQueen,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: that's a good.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, wait, never mind. Here comes Mater again.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: But you want to, searching around, watching some odd Christmas
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: movies last night, one sequel that has nothing to do
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: with the Christmas movie, a sequel that I was shocked existed,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and again, this was a why question. When I'm searching around,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I see the jingle all the way. It's like, oh yeah,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I forgot that was there too. Do you know that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: there is a Cop and a Half sequel? And a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: cop and a half of this is the Burt Reynolds
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: little child comedy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. There's a sequel. You know who's the star
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of the sequel? I don't know that I do. Lou
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Diamond Phillips. I'm trying to process right now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Because nothing says comedy like the acting stylings of Lou
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Diamond Phillips.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, Lou Diamond Phillips is legitimately a
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: good actor.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: He is. But comedy is not really what he's known for.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I think maybe he's been in some comedies. He plays
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a little funny scene. Usually he's an intense kind of guy.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You know, like, what was it? Was it Community he
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was on?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: There was a show he kept reoccurring on.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: But basically he was an intense guy on the show.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a funny guy.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which that's the way to play him, basically, because
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: he does that so well.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, this is a full-on... I mean, there's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: like the shot of him. I think it was like
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a still from the movie. It was like a shot
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: of him all bug-eyed and just looking like somebody stole
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: his lunch and kicked him in the junk at the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: same time.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: While we're doing... Things that have sequels that you don't realize. Like,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to come back.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Like, maybe, and if you're sucker enough, because normally I
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: couldn't find anybody that would be on board for this
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: kind of nonsense. But, like, I almost feel like we
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: need to, in future Christmases, just pick the weird sequels too. Like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: the fact that they made another Christmas story.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: That I know very few people who've seen. I've watched
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: scenes from it. I haven't sat and watched it in
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: its entirety. I feel like that's an episode.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Waiting to happen.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: There's also, I feel like, two offshoot Christmas Vacation. There's
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: definitely a Christmas Vacation that follows Eddie.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: There's two movies that follow that.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: See, I thought there were two. Okay.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think they're made for TV as well.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, there's some weird.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: This is the pre-Breakdown Randy Quaid.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, before he was.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I feel like he's always been insane,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: but there's a different level that kicked in in recent years.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, right before all of that, he did these things.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I feel like those are a whole other
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: series waiting to happen. So, if you're a sucker enough,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: plan that for your next Christmas.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I love weird sequels to things that shouldn't exist.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Again, only for this purpose. It's rare that I watch
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: one and I'm like, this is great. It's usually just
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: for me to sit down afterwards and go.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Wait, what the hell? Like, it's just for me breaking
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: it down after the fact of what? it even exists
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and what the hell went wrong well it's kind of
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: like like home alone 3 it's like you know why
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: did that even exist and then now of course i
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: know they've made a new home alone i was sorry
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: to say there was another one i think this is
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: at least five because i think you're right yeah i
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: know it was like I don't know if it was
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: when Disney owned it then, or if it was like
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: ABC family still, but they made a fourth one that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was a whole different kid. And it had that. Cause
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that's why the third was a whole different kid too.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: The third one was a different, but it was like,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: I knew that kid from other stuff. He's just sort
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: of familiar, but this was like out of nowhere.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: And the kids are nobody like not from other things.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: But the villain is Malcolm McDowell. And that's why I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: watched it. I was like, wait, they got Malcolm McDowell
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to be in this home alone. Fourth sequel. Like, I
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: need to watch this. And it's rough.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And see, of course, there's the new one that's on
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Disney +, where I was at Home Alone again or whatever.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Home Sweet Home Alone, I think, is what I, yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: I looked it up and I considered it for a
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: half second and then went with some other options.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Well, at least this one ties in because this kid
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: is Buzz's son.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: So the crappy older brother... First of all, Buzz should
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: not be reproducing.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Well, of course he's going to reproduce. All the terrible
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ones do.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. So this is Buzz's kid that gets left behind.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Kevin McAllister is... I know he's referenced. They talk about him,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like what happened to him, stuff like that, or what
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: he's up to, whatever else.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: But it's mostly focused on Buzz's favorite. So I think
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny that, you know, Kevin, if he
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: has children, there's no way in hell this is ever
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: going to happen to his children.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: He's like handcuffed to his children. But... buzz would totally
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: let this shit happen to his.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Kid it's sad that there's a home alone universe now
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: that we have to like start making other films that.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like the first one's good but i'm
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: not even that big of a fan.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I was not and i know that rubs people the
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: wrong way because i knew i i had someone that
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: i was in my life and for christmas that was
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: their thing and i was like if.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: You want me to watch it with you i will
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: but thankfully she's not.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Around anymore so I don't have to pretend like I
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: want to watch Home Alone anymore but again it was
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: an age difference she was just at the point where
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Home Alone was the greatest freaking thing and I was
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: a little older already so I was like seems like
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a dumb kids movie to me when it came out
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: I was like this seems like a dumb kids movie
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: and I watched it and I was like oh this
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: is a dumb kids movie so I know people love
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: it and again I think it's a generational thing I
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: think if you're past the point of being a kid
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: it's hard to see anything but that all you do
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: is sit there and go who's this weird old man
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: next door? Like you're focusing on the other crap, but
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: it's like the perfect, like wish fulfillment. If you're a kid,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: like I get the whole place to myself and I
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: can eat pizza and I can watch whatever shows I want.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And like, it's, it's all it is when you're a kid.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: So it, it sort of indulges that for kids.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: But once you're past the point of being a kid,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: it just, you're just like, these things would have killed
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: those two idiots.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, which is the, the whole, uh, Roadrunner versus
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Wile E. Coyote aspect of the movie is what I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate about the most. Because, I mean, just like, you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Joe Pesci taking the blowtorch to the head, like, okay,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that beanie would have been melted into his skull, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: he probably would have died of, like, a severe brain
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: hemorrhage because that much heat intensely.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Anything that happens to them at any point would have
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: killed each and every one of them.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure, absolutely. Every step of the way.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: But it's like that one in particular. It's like, there's
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a few things.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, you can survive this. The iron to the face.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: The iron to the face.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: You may have some trauma there, but it's like the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: full-on blowtorch to the head.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, nah, you're dead.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I also like everybody....
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: There's so many things I see even not Home Alone
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: sequels that like sort of do that type of thing
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: as like home invasion type of thing. Because I've often
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: said like Skyfall is like the Home Alone rap. That's
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: almost exactly what happens there. But I will always be like, oh, wait,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to be a nerd about it. I'm like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: technically Nightmare on Elm Street. She does that stuff well
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: before Home Alone. Sets up the sledgehammer booby trap.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Light bulb, like she does the whole house like trap
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: thing is done a couple years before Home Alone.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm just saying Wes Craven wins. A sidebar though,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I will forever love the.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Behind the scenes story of the melting stairs. You know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Nancy has to climb the stairs and like a producer,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: he had to have the melting stairs effect there. He
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: thought that was going to be great. Wes is like, no, no,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: we can't do it. It's not going to look great.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It got in the movie, and guess what, folks? It
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: don't look great. I mean, it's a cool idea. Like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: it is one of those things that would exist in
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: your dream state. Oh, absolutely.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Trying to recreate it in the real world is really
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: hard to do.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And then maybe for today's digital world, absolutely we could
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: But then... It would still look kind of digital.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: You're stepping in some blue pudding.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd still look like weird digital mess. Anyway, Nightmare
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Before Christmas.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I will go on a, I'm going to
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: do a hot take here. I'm not a Nightmare Before
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Christmas fan. I have no love whatsoever for that movie.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Blasphemy.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, I enjoy some Tim Burton stuff,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: but just, I'm not a musical fan per se.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is basically like.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Every goth kid that annoyed me back in the day,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: this is their musical. This is their thing.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. It is one of those movies
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: that you can almost separate. There are plenty of movies
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that I'm like, I like the movie, but the fans
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of the movie kind of rub me the wrong way.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really the fans of the movie that did
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that to me.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the film.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Because I saw it in the theater, and I thought
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: it was great that first time.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And then there was like 10 years when nobody gave
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: a shit about it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: I remember I was working at a place at the
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: time where we got the only run of merchandise they made.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: They had so little faith in that movie they made
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: one batch of things and it never came back. We
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: never got it again. And so the handful of dorks
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: that liked the movie and grabbed those, those are worth
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: a fortune now.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: But then you give it 10 years, and then Disney
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: comes around and is like, okay, well, maybe we were... Really,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: we think we can make money off this. So they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: are like, maybe we were a little... Didn't have enough
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: faith in this movie. So now, I mean, it is
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: just every Hot Topic kid's dream. And I'm sucker.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I have more Jack Skellington t-shirts than I can count
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: So I get it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I am that dork to some extent, but I'm also not.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be that level. I'm... A little
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: gothy dork, but I don't want to be that. I
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: don't want to be that annoying to other people about it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: The thing I also dislike about it, it's a movie
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: that hits you twice in a year.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: It's true.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Because you can get a Halloween and Christmas. It's both, yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: It is both.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: The same decoration that goes in October is the same
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: one that comes back in December.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: That's what's funny is I saw it at Walgreens like yesterday.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, this stuff should be marked down, right?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Because Halloween's over now. I was like, oh, no way.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: These are Christmas decorations now. I was like. You bastards
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: found a way to keep this in the aisle for
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: like three months. It's pretty sneaky, sis.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, another Christmas movie that tends to be forgotten,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and when I bring it up, people are like, oh, yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. It's a really funny movie. Just Friends
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: with Ryan Reynolds and Anna Faris.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: It's one of those that always comes up on the lists,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: and every time... That was that run, and I'm still
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: kind of on that run.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: I don't... got away from, and I refer to them
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: as modern, granted that's an old movie now for most people,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: but to me it still seems like something that came
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: out recently. But yeah, so many comedies that were big
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: at the time and everybody.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Else got into, I just didn't watch. I just got
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: out of that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I like so many old comedies that it's so rare
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: that I watch something recent in my mind.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's one.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Of those that I just knew of and didn't get to,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and now I feel like if not for the Christmas thing,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: just to kind of give it a shot as a,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: as a comedy.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should watch it, but yeah.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Well, this thing is, it's, I don't remember it being
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a successful film. I think it totally came and went
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: because I mean, Ryan Reynolds, while he had been in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: several films and sort of on a Ferris, he was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: not nearly the star that he is today.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: They were trying to bank on all of them.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Cause there's like four different actors and they'd all kind
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: of been in other things, but like nobody was huge yet.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Like neither of them had really fully crossed over. So,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: I think that's why they just didn't have anybody to
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: hang it on. And then everybody went, eh, whatever, I'm
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: going to see something else.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: And that's what happens.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And then to get, was it Julie from Airplane? Yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I just, oh, I love her as a mom. Just, yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: There's so many things that she did that's like felt
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: very much like my mom at times. It's like, you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it's like she's in her own kind of little world
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: doing her own little thing. And it's like reality intersects
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: on occasion. It's like, I just loved it. But yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: so I'm just, Yeah, I mean, who doesn't want Anna
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Faris singing the same terrible song over and over again,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: thinking it's going to get better?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Anna Faris works on a specific thing, and I don't
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: know that she works outside of that. It's so rare
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: that I've seen her do anything other than what she does. Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But what she does, she's so good at. It really is, yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: She can nail that. Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: It's a great vehicle for the both of them, frankly.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: It's sad that.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of picked up a little more popularity,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: but it's like it should be recognized a bit more
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: than what it is.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: No.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: But I've got like a little list of movies. Of course,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: these are definitely Christmas movies, but I would put them
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: on the naughty list, so to speak.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Namely, of course, the Bad Santa films.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: The fact that there are films. Films. Yeah, too Yeah,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I forgot about the other one. I think I watched it. Yeah,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: it's bad.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, if you don't have, like, the director
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: is what makes that first one. Like, it could have
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: easily been a terrible movie. And I think there are
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: people that still wrote it off as that. But, like,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: if you get into it, like, it's his signature brand
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: of dark and like really like just no faith in
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: humanity whatsoever so trying to get a little like inkling
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: of christmas joy to come along here and there and
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: that movie is like what makes that first one.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Work and have billy bob in the roles is perfect too.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: But but coming back and handing it to a different
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: director and even if you get billy bob back like
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: it's just not gonna work yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And the kid being older kind of was weird now
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: yeah Because, like, when he's a little kid, you're like, okay,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: he's a little kid. He's going to grow out of that.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: He'll get, you know, he'll get a little cooler a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: little later on.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Then, like, when you see him, it's like, oh. Nope,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. What happened, man? It's like, did you get
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: hit in the head?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you okay?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by Billy Bob Thorne. Yeah. And with no Lauren Graham,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: you're just wasting my time. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Another one, of course, this is being a very infamous film,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: especially when it's initial release, Silent Night, Deadly Night.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: That's one I'm penciling in down the line.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to address at least the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: first couple of those in, like, a full episode.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I've only gone to one and two. I haven't gone beyond.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, see, those were the original kind of, like, in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: that slasher era. And then they kept, like, going back
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: to the well as years went. Because I didn't realize
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: they were up to as many as there are.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: And now there's a lot of them.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things that I remember years ago
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I was in a video store looking around for stuff
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I'm in a video store, folks. That's how long ago
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: this was. Tell us more, Grandpa.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm searching around the horror section and I see
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: House 4. And I'm like, wait a minute. I enjoyed
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: House 1.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed House 2. I liked 2 and didn't
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: expect to. Yeah, I really enjoyed House 2.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Where was House 3? I don't remember this film coming out, let.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Alone a fourth. Did they pull a Thanksgiving? I don't know.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: No, it apparently exists, and so does a five. But
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, there's just these tiny films.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were released in the States. Maybe they weren't.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And the Silent Night, Deadly Night sequels beyond, too, I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: kind of feel were in those same categories. In what
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: country were these movies released?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Because it wasn't here.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Well, and they also, I think the first ones were like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Every movie at that time, they were made for theaters
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: and then the home video market kicked in. So a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: lot of them were then just made to be straight
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: to video.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And that's what they were. This movie is meant to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: take your time.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: This is just when you're bored on a Friday night
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: and you're picking up a pizza anyway.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's get this one. And like many a movie
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: was watched that way by me and a lot of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: At least it better had a cool cover.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: That's the one thing. If you had a terrible movie,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: if it had at least a cool cover, it's like, well,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: that's what got me.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: That's, I mean, yeah, that's the art form that was
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: the late 80s into the mid 90s.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. After that, it's all just airbrushed headshots of everybody.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I know. Posters are, it's very rare to get an
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: imaginative poster these days. Of course, to get a physical poster, period.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: It's a sad thing to go to a movie theater
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like everything's on a thumb drive on a
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: TV screen now. It's like, wait, that was the glory
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: of working in a movie theater is because like the posters,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: when we were done with them, you took those home.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: There is a few, but at least the one I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: go to all the time now, there's the walkway on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: the way out has posters. But once you're in the lobby,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: there's nothing. In the hallway going to the theaters, there's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: usually one or two of the big giant stand-ups, but
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: they're in a hallway, so you can't really see them
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: very well.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah. And then on the way out, there's like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: six or eight posters, and that's it.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I will say, thank God, at least the cardboard stand-in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: game is still going strong. You know, the Mylar's over
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the houses is gone. It used to be had, like,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Mylar's had the movie logo. You'd hang those above each house.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: You knew which one you were in there.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: No, now it's a digital sign now. So it's like,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you know, they took those and they took movie posters. Well,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: we got the cardboard standees, though, where you definitely need
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: an engineering degree to put those together.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: It switched to the home game for a while. Suddenly
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: everybody could get a life-size version of any celebrity in
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: their home. so that became a thing and then eventually
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: they they still realized they had giant lobbies in certain
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: theaters and they could build the most massive construction ever
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: made out of cardboard and slap it yeah so those
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: i still see there was there was like a huge
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: one for the last james bond that i saw yeah
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: and there was another one that was about that big
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: i don't even remember what it was like every once
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: in a while it's like a big studio release we'll
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: still get a massive cardboard structure.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when I, I think when we just
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: got to see Ghostbusters Afterlife, there was like a big
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: one for the, what's the Disney movie, Encanto? Or Encanto
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: or something like that?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a big one for that. So, yeah,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: definitely the kids' films are still representative of that.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, but going back to Silent Night, Deadly Night,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: the original definitely has its charm. A good friend of mine, Andy,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: just celebrates this movie like no other person I've ever seen.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A little too much? Are you concerned?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. It's basically like he has a shirt
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that has like a Santa face on it and it
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: just says naughty. And people are like, oh, that's kind
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: of funny. But like the few realize, no, it's referencing
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Silent Night, Deadly Night. But I will say as sequels go,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: as a filmmaker, for shame on the filmmakers of Silent Night,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Deadly Night 2. For basically making probably the laziest film
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: since The Hills Have Eyes 2, the original Hills Have
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Eyes 2.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Well, now I definitely need to watch both of these
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: first two movies.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Because Silent Night, Deadly Night 2, over half of an
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: hour and a half film... is told in flashbacks. So
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: if you've never actually seen the original... So.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: It's flashbacks of the first movie?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Yes. Wow, that is crazy.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally not like.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: If it was new flashbacks they shot, that's one thing.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Flashbacks to the first movie? That's something else.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Unlike the Evil Dead films where you tend to get
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a recap at the beginning of them.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: And they reshoot them so they don't even match the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: last movie at the time.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: This is a full-on, let's use the footage and scenes
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: from the previous film.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: That is rough.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And pepper those in throughout the movie. So they're not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: all continuous. They do intersect with new scenes. Because in
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the second one, it's the little brother.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: So they shot 45 minutes worth of footage and went,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: now how do we make this feature length?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait a minute.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Didn't we have a previous film we did? Don't we
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: have a whole bunch of footage laying around that's that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: last movie?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: And of course, the premise for the initial one is like, okay,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: you got a guy. He went a little crazy. He
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: has his own designs on Christmas and what is naughty
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: and what is nice. And he wants to take out
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the naughty ones.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: That's a good concept, really. I can see that being
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: a reason to put together a horror movie.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. But then the sequel is like, okay, that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: dude's little brother saw this all go down and then
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: saw his brother in a Santa suit get gunned down
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: by the police. Spoiler alert. And then this inspires him
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to do the same thing.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: He's learned nothing from his brother's downfall. And I just... Yeah,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just so.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, like, you know, The Hills Have Eyes 2,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: the original Wes Craven sequel, not the remade sequel, that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: one has, like, the most interesting flashback in there because
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: a dog, a German shepherd, has a flashback in it.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: If you've seen the movie, you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the film has a flashback.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: We definitely need to put these on a full episode. Like,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to dive into these.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: It really, yeah, this is some fascinating filmmaking here, but...
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, a German shepherd has a full-on flashback scene.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: You are selling me on these movies more than the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: poster art did, which was pretty awesome, actually. That's the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: one thing I remember about them was the video boxes,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: which were great and made me want.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: To see them, and then somehow I didn't. For as
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: much horror as I watched over the years, how I
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: didn't end up with those, I do not know.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an exercise in patience, for sure. And
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: the last film I definitely want to put on my
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: naughty list, but this is actually a quality film. is
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the more recent Krampus.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: That one we, we saw and discussed at length at
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: the time, but it is one of those. I wonder,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: cause that was like, we had just seen it and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: then talked about it. So I want to kind of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: revisit almost because I don't think I've watched it since then.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I watched, I haven't watched it this year yet, but
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I did watch it last year and, I mean, you've
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: got a great cast in there. It's very kind of,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: you know, cheeky kind of black comedy sort of thing
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: like that. But you still have basically a family being
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: murdered by this ethereal force, you know, that being Krampus.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And they all deserve it as well. And, of course,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: being directed by Michael, what's his face, from Trick or Treat.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, so. It looked great. I remember, like,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: visuals were amazing.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: I felt like there's that weird in the middle where
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: it almost crosses the line for me where everything comes alive.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: You do have the presence of the toys.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: That whole part feels silly to me.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: And like almost because on the other sides of it
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: are so good. And I'm just like, That's really bringing
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: this movie to.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I know, but it redeems itself. But again, I feel
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: like I need to watch it again and see how
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I land on that part. Yeah, I will agree that
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: it does get a little.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: goofy in that part there. But I think it does
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: wrap up nicely, redeem itself. And frankly, I think it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: has a great ending. I'm not going to spoil too much,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: but I do love a good downer ending when it
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: comes to a horror movie.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: That one definitely, yeah, we won't ruin it, I guess.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: But it is not a cheery ending we'll go with.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, it's like, More than most sad movie endings. Like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it is a very grand sad movie ending.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, the thing is, though, it's an honest ending, though. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: It's a very honest ending, so I appreciate that.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I want to get into some weird Christmas movies. Because
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: there's certainly many, many of those. Being a wrestling fan,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I've got to go... Into both of these films. I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: think you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I see where it's coming. That's another one of those
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I remember at the time and was like, I don't
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: even think I have the energy to put it on
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: my watch list right now. It's just been pushed off
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years now.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: And both of these Christmas movies could not be any different.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: You've got on one hand the Hulk Hogan classic Santa
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: with Muscles.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: That one is a whole nother, I think I didn't
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: know that existed for a long time. And then more
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: recently people have brought it up in the, look at
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: these ridiculous Christmas movies. And I've seen it then and went,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: oh God, how did I miss this? And then, thank
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: God I missed this.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: That was kind of like in the Mr. Nanny era.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: When I feel like he did almost too much at
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: that point and things got lost, like this one. Because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody saw this at the time.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: The Hallmark filmmakers look at this movie and go, damn.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: We thought we were cutting corners. Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the production value is pretty low. Story's pretty thin.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: It's Hulk Hogan in a Santa suit, folks. It's not
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: that much. But the one I will give a little
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: bit of redeeming value to, a more recent Christmas film
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: that involves a professional wrestler, I'm referring to Santa's Slave, starring...
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Wrestling superstar Bill Goldberg.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: That's the one I thought you were originally going to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: go with. Yes, yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Because nobody would understand the Santa persona better than Goldberg.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: A Jewish man. Seems like unless they're making that point,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: that's an odd way to go.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Which they don't.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: So it is strange to pick. Goldberg as your Santa Claus.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted a large guy who can look
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: threatening and menacing without having any makeup.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: And that he does.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Bill can totally look menacing.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Physically, it all makes sense. That's what they're going for.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's just funny that his name's Goldberg. I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: think we all kind of know.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Probably not a big Christmas guy growing up.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: And one I will throw in for honorable mention, this
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: isn't necessarily, this falls under a Christmas movie. It does
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: contain wrestlers, but it's more of a documentary. I Am
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus, which is basically a look into people who
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: are professional Santa Claus actors.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I think I knew of this one, but yeah, I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: have not watched this.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: But it is hosted by wrestler Mick Foley, who is
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a tremendous Christmas fan.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Mick Foley is a lot of things. It's exhausting trying
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: to pin down what exactly Mick Foley is.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Having met the gentleman on more than one occasion, he
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: is a tremendous human being.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: A wonderful, nice guy.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, rollercoaster enthusiast and tremendous Christmas enthusiast. So having
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: him host this documentary and be kind of the figurehead
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: of it, it just makes sense. But there's some other,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: like Rowdy Roddy Piper appears in the movie at one
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: point and a handful of other wrestlers. He's talking to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: them or just going around different things. So he gets
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: some of his wrestling buddies in the movie. talking about
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: christmas so it's really weird.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: To get interesting side area there you.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Get all these guys that are wrestlers and they're not
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: talking about wrestling and i'm like this is strange but
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: yeah but it's a nice it's an interesting side i
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: would throw that as an honorable mention.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting see i was looking down the list of like
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: ones that again there's so many there's ones that i
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: just didn't even like i think i barely remember when
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: this came out last year But there is a movie
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: called Fat Man that stars Mel Gibson as a Santa Claus.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Person angry Santa Claus yes.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And what.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: It is like any movie you make with Mel Gibson
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: you need to be I guess winter pun intended on
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: thin ice in general but yeah making him a angry
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Santa I'm just like I don't know what we're doing
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: with this guy anymore and that seems like a weird direction.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I've heard from more than one person of the merits
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: of this film that it's worth checking out the thing
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I don't like about it is that it's a serious film.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Like there's no joke in it. It's like, he's like,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: and he, I don't even think he's necessarily, I don't know.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's actually Santa Claus. He's just
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: like an angry guy in a suit that takes out
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: bad people.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: I was just looking at the different list and it,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: so many streaming services. Now you can just bring up
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: a list of their holiday, whatever they own. And like,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: that was one that was sitting there and I was
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: just like, I don't, I don't know if I'm up
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: for this right now.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I think that might have to wait.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to, One I was curious about, it's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: a fairly recent one, too, that actually started kind of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: popping up with some new lists, is Anna and the Apocalypse.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: It's a UK film.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: I heard a lot about that last year, and it
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: made me want to see it then, and I just
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: didn't get to.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: It then, and now I feel like this year might
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: be a good time.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend Caroline actually recommended it. It was kind
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, you go into it like you're, okay,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: it's a Christmas movie, but there's a zombie apocalypse going,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of like.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: And it's a musical.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: And it's a musical, but it's a strange musical, because
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I was, as she told me, it's like... It's a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: movie you forget it's a musical until there's a musical
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: number that's reminding you.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: But it's not like a lot of musical numbers.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: It sounds like all of that should be taking away
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: from each other or messing up what the other one's doing.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: From what I heard last year, it does all of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: them really well. It's a good Christmas movie. It's a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: good zombie movie.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: And turns out to be a pretty good musical in
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: the moments that it decides to be.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: She said it was quite charming. I definitely want to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: get to that one.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Another one, it was apparently popular enough that it married
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: a sequel, but the Kurt Russell Christmas Chronicles. It's on Netflix.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: See, that's almost like there's a step just above. And
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: maybe it's the Netflix ones that are coming in.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: A little higher in budget.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe they have more money to throw around these days
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: because Netflix is running the world now. So, yeah, it's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: like there's a lot of those that are getting made.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it takes as much money. for
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: them to be successful on the books enough to turn
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: around and make another one.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: That's the ones I will, I'm definitely going to get
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: into later. There's ones that are old series, but like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: the one I didn't get to this, this year was, um,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: there's the princess switch, which was, I'm like, again, this
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: is how I get roped into any of these. One
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: of which I will come back to later. Um, is like,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: who did they sucker in to be the star? So
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: like impressive enough that for that one, they got Kurt Russell,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: but then like, Again, another one that I think was
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: a little cut above budget wise that they pulled in
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: Vanessa Hutchins, who I think is genuinely a good actress
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: and sort of gets shortchanged because of where she came from.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Everybody still treats her like a dumb kid actor.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, as the years went on, she became
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: a really good actress and is in several of these.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: She started off in one that's like a night.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: A Christmas night or something, but it's like night with
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: a K and he's coming back in time and it's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: a Christmas romance movie.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: That's overwhelming.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: But then she did this Christmas switch or the princess switch.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: And it's, I'm assuming Prince and the pauper type of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: thing where one's a princess and they look the same
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: and they switch out for the Christmas or something.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't watch it yet.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: I probably will just because I really like Vanessa Hutchins.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to see what they do with this.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: But by the time I realized they'd made one, I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: looked and like, oh, The Princess Switch 2. Oh wait,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: The Princess Switch 3 came out this year. And I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: was like, these things, as long as they do pretty
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: well on streaming services, like Greenlight pops up and they
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: will have another one out for the next Christmas.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: And another one out for the next Christmas.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: So like, this is one of those that like, they're
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: just cranking them out because just enough. I mean, there's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: such a following to these Christmas movies that they're just like,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: it does not take much to nudge it up to the,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: We're doing good. Let's make another one.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: So when you can do that with something like pulling
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: in Kurt Russell, like Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn are
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: in those movies. And like the fact that they suckered
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: them both into doing a Christmas movie and then coming
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: back to do another Christmas movie is like kind of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: amazing and shows the power of the Sub-genre that is Christmas.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: But strange enough is Christmas Chronicles keeps popping up on
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of best of lists. So apparently it's a
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: quality film.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: And I know it must be something, at least as
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: far as being pretty proud of what they were doing.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Because I saw when the first one came out, Kurt
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: Russell did a ton of press.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: And was like.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I saw him do way more press for
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: that than when he was in Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: That had a huge push, but it wasn't really a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: ton of Kurt Russell stuff. It was just here and there.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: But he was up front and center when it was
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: time for that Christmas movie.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And I was like, he really is proud of this thing.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: It also was nice that he didn't have to shave
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: his beard from Hateful Eight.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just grew it out even more.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Look, I am Santa, guys. I didn't want to tell anybody,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: but I'm Santa Claus.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? That's fine by me.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: It's Kurt Russell. I do love Kurt Russell.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: He can kind of do no wrong.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, a couple other more recent films.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: One I have seen, it's actually a decent one, is
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Office Christmas Party. It came out about, what, less than
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: five years ago. And you know, Jason Bateman's in it,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Kate McKinnon. There's a lot of comedians in there.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: I think that's another one of those comedies that just
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: got lumped in with the rest and I didn't get
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: around to. But, like, again, sometimes they're ones that are
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: better than others. And I feel like I don't ever
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: know which one is which to go with half the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: time until it takes a few years and I actually
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: hear something about it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a great film, but it's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: got some good laughs in there. It's an enjoyable movie.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, I think this... It was on
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: HBO Max. One of the streaming services, but this new one,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: 8-Bit Christmas, that just came out.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: I watched the trailer for that this weekend, and it
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: looks a lot of fun. And I like it because
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: they're sort of playing with that retelling of it. It's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: doing a Goldberg's, no pun to the previous Goldberg, although
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: he is on the show now.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: But it is funny that it does that. I don't know.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It was 87, 8? I don't know. It was just
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: the 80s.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: And then even that part where it's like, it's him
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: riding his bike. He's like, his daughter's like.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Were you wearing a helmet? Of course, we always wore
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: helmets in the 80s. So it's like, I like he's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: doctoring the story to fit what he needs it to be.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: And that's, that looks entertaining.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: And it's all because he's trying to get a Nintendo.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Neil Patrick Harris is always kind of entertaining. Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Which reminds me of another thing that happens in movies
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: when you make a running series and then they... at
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: some point decide to make a Christmas movie when the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: other ones weren't. When you get something like a Harold
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: and Kumar make a Christmas movie eventually. Like, out of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: a series that was nothing to do with Christmas, they
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: then come up with a Christmas movie.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: And they did that one in 3D as well. Pretty
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: sure they.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Did, yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: But that was like the, what was the other one
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: I saw on the list was the Bad Moms Christmas.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: You know, where it's like the first one had nothing
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: to do with that, but then they were like, oh,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: let's do a Christmas movie, yeah. It's just, again, so
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: much of it is just, I guess, finances at that point. And, like,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: maybe it's combining your two.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, the first movie did good, but there's
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: a built-in audience for Christmas movies. So what if we
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: put the two together? And, like, I don't know. I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: guess that's the reasoning behind it.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: You know, another Christmas movie that's kind of... This one
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about at least enough that I have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: seen it replayed a lot. And it's a remake of
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: a classic. The Bishop's Wife. Remake of? Or The Preacher's Wife.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Remake of The Bishop's Wife.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: I remember when it came out, it got a good
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: amount of push just because you put Denzel in anything
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: and people care.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Denzel and Whitney Houston.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: But, yeah. I will raise you your Denzel and add
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: in Whitney Houston. She doesn't do anything anymore. What the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: hell is wrong? And this is like.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: We're still in love with Whitney Houston at this point.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Her career is still going very strong. A definite high
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: point for her.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: It's like post-Super Bowl era when she's like the most
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: beloved figure in the country.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: It came out in 96. It was a couple years
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: removed from the bodyguard.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: So she's still riding that high.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: That's a big ass win.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: But this is maybe like the tail end of that.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Because then she also kind of went in a slump
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: and we just didn't see her much. And then when
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: we did, she was a mess. So the tail end
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: there got kind of messy.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, she had a trio. I mean, you had,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, the bodyguard waiting to exhale and Bishop's wife.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: They're just kind of like boom, boom, boom.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, if she would have put efforts towards that,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: she definitely could have like switched and become just full
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: on movie star. Like, I mean, she was for a minute,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: but like she could have not been singing in these
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: things and still.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Been a movie star. She had the charisma.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: She had, you know, the look. She had the talent. Like,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: she could have done whatever she wanted. But I'm blaming
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Bobby for all of it.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, at least this one he really got to,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you know, utilize kind of both sides of her talent. And,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Denzel.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: Denzel wins people over.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I will watch any movie that has that man in it.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he's just reading the phone book.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: And the thing, it always struck me, this is a
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: sidebar here, but the first time I saw Black Klansman,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm watching... At the time.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I did not know that John David Washington was his son.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: How could I have not? The man looks like Denzel.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: He talks like Denzel. They have the same damn cadence
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: of speech.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: He's got the presence. Yeah, he's definitely got it. They
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: have the same cadence of speech.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Number one, man, this guy's talented, but there's something so
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: familiar about him.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: What is it? I can't put my finger on it.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love that movie, and as a self-hating
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: white man, that just pissed me off at the end
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: I was... You're so like, yeah, they got the guys.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: They all blew themselves up.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: And then you get like the kind of the Spike
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Lee kind of reminding us, oh, yeah, white people are
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: still terrible even today.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to really get away from that. Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: White people, they're everywhere. We think we get a victory,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: and at the end of it, we're like, fuck. But yeah,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: I just, yeah.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: What always struck me funny is every time I see
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: John David Washington pop up something like, man, I don't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: see how the hell I didn't know you were Denzel's kid.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not a bad place.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: To start off. Yeah, but yeah, I tell you, I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: see high things with that guy. Yeah, I gotta love
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: anything with Denzel, so Preacher's Wife definitely.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Pops up in there for me. Well, I mean, I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: can rattle off plenty of lists here, but I think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: that's all of the general ones we were gonna throw out.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: The rest of them are specific ones that we watched.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my trio here.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: I think at this point, yeah, we'll just wrap up
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: this episode and we'll come back and focus in on
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: the ones we watched individually.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: So I think that's the plan for now. So are
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: you ready?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Come back next episode and dig into these three, which
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: will then be six movies. Absolutely.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: Well, until then, go refill your cup of cocoa here
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: and get ready. to get fired up for more Christmas.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's here, this awful time of year.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: How I hate the snow is falling, faulty neighbors.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Bragging about the gifts they're getting.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: They said, they said, let me take a guess now,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: your daddy came back rose again.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: And then I had a revelation, this is my friends
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: who saw their lips clean shut with fear. Christmas lights
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: are live lighting up the night meanwhile I'm.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Inside Resume tonight.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Tonight. I have to do it right now.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: So I will strike when all's asleep. And creep sneaking
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: through your chimney.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: Saint Nick is gone for now.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Up on the housetop, gifts are mine.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: Kiss your Christmas tree goodbye. Because this Christmas.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Everything will change when they see the flames this Christmas day.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Don't make fun of me, will you? Well, I'll show
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: you what true misery feels like.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: You see, that's why.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: I go insane.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Imagine this, 1,000 gifts and 16.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Trees all lagging a heap in a cold disc. I
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: strike my match and I trace the trail of gasoline.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm learning this game. What a great game. This Christmas,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: I'm burning to the ground. This Christmas, Santa's skipping town.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: This Christmas, everything will change when they see the flames.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Very pepperminty i like it i went with one well
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: that's the thing i went there was one that was
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: because it's the swiss mess pack i was going old
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: school but um there was one pack that was specifically
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: peppermint flavored but i was like that might be overwhelming
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: so i went one versus two regular so that's only
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: a third what it normally would be so it makes
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: me think that would kill you in its original concentrated
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: form it would culinary choice. So yeah, I thought I'd
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: thin it out with some regular chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: It is a very nice blend. The peppermint is there,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not overwhelming. You have the chocolates and it balances.
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