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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of Steve Gotson Company
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  Speaker 2: This is the best of Stu Gotson Company Live on
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  Speaker 1: The great and very busy Tim Legler is with us
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  Speaker 1: here ESPN Cavs Pistons tonight. He is on the call
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  Speaker 1: of the game Legs. Do you like calling the games?
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  Speaker 1: I know you've been doing it for two years now.
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  Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the calling of the games? Because you
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  Speaker 1: seem busier than ever right now?
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  Speaker 3: Love it? Absolutely, love it?
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 5: There's just you know, look, I've always approached my job,
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  Speaker 5: whether I was doing studio or calling games as like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the ability to teach, Like that's what I
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  Speaker 5: love to do, is teach, like hopefully in some way
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  Speaker 5: make the viewer just smarter, like the next time they
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  Speaker 5: watch a game, or find something interesting in the game,
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  Speaker 5: maybe that you didn't even realize was interesting. So studio
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  Speaker 5: work is different because it's either like pregame so you
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  Speaker 5: have a chance like really think about it and then
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  Speaker 5: do this pre produced piece or whatever, like you put
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  Speaker 5: a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Thought into or after the game. It's like, what just happened,
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  Speaker 3: let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: Doing it in real time and being able to teach
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  Speaker 5: why it's happening is the greatest challenge in the industry.
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  Speaker 5: So the adrenaline that comes with that and the energy
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  Speaker 5: in the building, there's nothing like it, man. So yes,
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  Speaker 5: this has been incredible. Last couple of seasons. Being like
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  Speaker 5: a full time game analyst has been great.
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  Speaker 6: Well legged, You're very good at it, and as somebody
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  Speaker 6: like I stopped doing my sidelines I think in twenty three,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm super jealous because I wanted to overlap with you.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted because you're one of my favorite analysts of
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  Speaker 6: all time, and so it's just like, man, when you
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  Speaker 6: do color, it's very good. So just wanted to drop
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  Speaker 6: that compliment in your lap with shit.
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  Speaker 3: Man very much. That's nice to say.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a yes? Go for it too? I was
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  Speaker 4: gonna say, is there a question in there? But go ahead?
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  Speaker 3: Is he no?
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  Speaker 6: I was going to follow up with you did game
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  Speaker 6: four right of Nicks and yes six or flows out game?
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  Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on the knicks? And they're sort
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  Speaker 6: of odd to say this in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Evolving offense, well yeah, it's gone from evolving to peak
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  Speaker 5: level in a very short period of time. Like that,
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  Speaker 5: to me is what's incredible about the story. They tweak
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  Speaker 5: their offense during the season and then a bigger tweak
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of the Atlanta series and they're down
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  Speaker 5: to one and you know the pressure cooker that New
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  Speaker 5: York represents, and like what that team was facing, what
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  Speaker 5: Mike Brown was facing, and basically they made the determination
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  Speaker 5: that Karl Anthony Towns he's a power player, but he
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  Speaker 5: wants to play at the elmost top of the key
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  Speaker 5: a lot.
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  Speaker 3: That's where he's comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: So rather than call set stuff, which Mike Brown does
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  Speaker 5: not want to and trying to get him touches in
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  Speaker 5: areas of the floor that he's comfortable because it's just
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  Speaker 5: not what Mike Brown wants to do. He wants to
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  Speaker 5: play organically in the flow. Well, then how about we
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  Speaker 5: create some options offensively that take advantage of where he
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  Speaker 5: likes to catch it and his size and really skill
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  Speaker 5: as a passer that was not really appreciated, valued, or
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  Speaker 5: utilized to that point.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what they did in the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta series.
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  Speaker 5: It opened up their offense Brunson as a screener on
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  Speaker 5: the baseline and then coming out to get the basketball.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a total wrinkle they put in that Atlanta
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  Speaker 5: could not solve. It completely flipped the series on its head.
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  Speaker 5: It continued into the Philadelphia series, and now what you
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  Speaker 5: ended up was a team to down to one verge of.
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  Speaker 3: Like just catastrophe to This team's never played better, no
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  Speaker 3: matter of six games.
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  Speaker 5: But literally, that's what we're talking and that really is
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  Speaker 5: what we're looking at. This is the best the Knicks
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  Speaker 5: offense has looked since the day they got Jalen Bronson.
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  Speaker 5: And what that does is it energizes your defense even more.
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  Speaker 5: When you're having that kind of success and everybody's included
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  Speaker 5: offensively the way they are now, your defense is actually
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  Speaker 5: now playing at its highest level. So you have this
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  Speaker 5: team that right now is an absolute buzz saw. Certainly
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  Speaker 5: they have been for the teams that they played, and
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  Speaker 5: that's that's basically what played out at the.
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  Speaker 3: End of the Philly series.
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  Speaker 5: They were limited, had some injuries coming off the Boston
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  Speaker 5: seven gamer. They ran into this team that is just
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  Speaker 5: playing with so much force, confidence in rhythm. That's what
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  Speaker 5: it looks like when you get those two things collideles.
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  Speaker 7: How important is og Ananobi coming back for the Knicks
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  Speaker 7: and him being that potential X factor whether it's the
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  Speaker 7: Pistons or the Cavs in that series.
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  Speaker 5: Critical because you know right now, like this is probably
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  Speaker 5: the best I've ever seen o Janaobi play. His defensive
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  Speaker 5: impact always been there. The offense he's been really good.
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  Speaker 5: He's been good since he got to New York, his
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  Speaker 5: role expanded leaving Toronto, and he's like, wow, he's a
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  Speaker 5: better offensive player than your thought. But like what he's
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  Speaker 5: been doing lately, and like the consistency with which he's produced,
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  Speaker 5: he's never done that.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, it's a massive loss.
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  Speaker 5: I do think they avoided a real problem, Like everybody
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  Speaker 5: kind of was waiting holding their breath that next morning
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  Speaker 5: to see what was the result going to be fro
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  Speaker 5: Jenn But it sounds like it's a lot less than
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  Speaker 5: it could have been day to day. They certainly weren't
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  Speaker 5: going to play him in game for the Phillies or
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  Speaker 5: he didn't need him. They might not even have played
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  Speaker 5: him in game five if they needed a Game five
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  Speaker 5: back at home. Just rest them as long as you
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  Speaker 5: can We're all gonna wait and see what this looks
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  Speaker 5: like at the start of the series.
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  Speaker 3: But he is. He is a force man. He can
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  Speaker 3: guard anybody on the floor.
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  Speaker 5: And now you combine it with this guy that's getting
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  Speaker 5: a twenty plus every night, shooting at the way he
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  Speaker 5: is from the three point line, you have like, this
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  Speaker 5: is what an All Star player looks like. You know,
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  Speaker 5: an All League caliber player looks like what he's doing
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  Speaker 5: right now. Now, I will say this, some of his
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  Speaker 5: loss has been tempered by the fact that m cal
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  Speaker 5: Bridges found his offense towards the end of the Atlanta
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  Speaker 5: series that carried over into the Philly series and he's
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  Speaker 5: on a heater of all heaters right now. What that
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  Speaker 5: guy is shooting over the past five games is mind
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  Speaker 5: blowing and it has helped offset in the short term
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  Speaker 5: missing ogn Nanobi. But long term, when the East win
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  Speaker 5: a title, you're going to need og an Anobi out there.
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  Speaker 3: Playing the way that he was.
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  Speaker 1: Legs, where are you on rest versus russ Because the
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  Speaker 1: Knicks are playing so well offensive, I know they get
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  Speaker 1: to wait around for the winner of the of the
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  Speaker 1: Pistons and the Cavs series, which is a great position
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  Speaker 1: to be in. But that team is playing so well
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  Speaker 1: when the sixer series was over, I wanted them to
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  Speaker 1: play the next day.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like them waiting around here for seven to
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  Speaker 4: ten days. Yes, yes, exactly. Well, I'm I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Always going to lean on the on the side of
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  Speaker 5: rest always. And if you want to like the most
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  Speaker 5: conclusive argument to that, take a look at what Oklahoma
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  Speaker 5: City does to people in game one of the next round,
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  Speaker 5: when they typically make short work of the of the
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  Speaker 5: previous round and they're sitting there waiting. It looks a
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  Speaker 5: lot like if you threw like a whole tuna into
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  Speaker 5: a Piranha tank. That's what it looks like with the
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  Speaker 5: Oklahoma City So like, to me, that's the greatest example
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  Speaker 5: of like what here's.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: There is no substitute for fresh legs. There just isn't
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  Speaker 5: because rhythm, rhythm will come back pretty quickly to a
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  Speaker 5: team that's been sitting around for a while. You cannot
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  Speaker 5: find fresh legs if you never get an opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: recharge them.
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  Speaker 3: So for me, it's always about rest.
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  Speaker 5: It's always makes you better and more energize, even if
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  Speaker 5: the shot making isn't great at the start.
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  Speaker 3: Of the next round.
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  Speaker 1: I smiled when he said fresh legs, So did is he?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea why I smile.
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  Speaker 4: Just had to be names, right, yeah, pros, and then
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  Speaker 4: we got press legs.
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  Speaker 5: It's such an easy thing to work into any basketball segment,
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  Speaker 5: is it?
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  Speaker 1: Like, it's just so easy you No, Timm, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: I understand what he's saying.
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  Speaker 4: Here is he but what legs?
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  Speaker 1: When he played, when he was on fire, like legs
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  Speaker 1: wanted to stay in the gym, He didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: leave the gym and get rest. He wanted to shoot more.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess that's all I'm saying on the Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: I want them to play.
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  Speaker 5: Here's what here's real quick, here's what I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: say to you, like you're talking about a different category
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  Speaker 5: player role players.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, let's keep playing.
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  Speaker 5: If I got it going, please let me play tomorrow
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  Speaker 5: and I'll play every k If I'm playing twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four minutes a game, the guys that have to play
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  Speaker 5: thirty to forty minutes a game have a lot more
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  Speaker 5: on their plate.
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  Speaker 3: Brilly, on both ends. No, your team is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a hell of a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot better if those guys feel a little recharged legs.
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  Speaker 8: Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 4: I've got you as a Philly guy?
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  Speaker 9: Are you a Philly guy?
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  Speaker 5: I'm well, I get called that all the time because
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  Speaker 5: I went to college in Philly, but I grew up
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  Speaker 5: in the Baltimore like DMV area, DC, Richmond.
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  Speaker 3: Like I played high school basketball in Richmond.
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  Speaker 5: I went to Philly to go to college and then
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  Speaker 5: just basically established roots there forever, and so yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's always Philly guy, Philly guy.
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  Speaker 5: I Philly got Until people realize when football comes up
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  Speaker 5: and how much I loath the Eagles and how much
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  Speaker 5: I love the Commanders, That's when it starts to hit
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  Speaker 5: home for people. I'm not a Philly guy, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: but I love the city man. All of my closest
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  Speaker 5: friends are up there, and my children are raised up there.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 6: The reason I asked is because I was thinking, like
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  Speaker 6: Tobias Harris has not looked like this since like maybe
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  Speaker 6: five six years ago with Philly in the postseason. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't think he was capable of being a reliable number
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  Speaker 6: two score for the Pistons. Is he enough for them
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  Speaker 6: to get past this round the next round even or
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  Speaker 6: is this kind of exactly what we feared? If Tobias
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  Speaker 6: Harris is your second leading scorer or sound.
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  Speaker 9: An incredible option.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Asie, it's kind of incredible to think what this
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  Speaker 5: guy has done in the postseason because, by the way,
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  Speaker 5: let's go back to Philly and he had he did
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  Speaker 5: have one postseason with Philly. That was the only only
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  Speaker 5: year that surpassed the numbers he's putting up now. But
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, when the season would end, or
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  Speaker 5: even a game within a series, the first place that
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  Speaker 5: everybody would go on sports talk radio in Philly, or
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  Speaker 5: the media or the fan base was Tobias Harris. Let's
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  Speaker 5: just go in on Tobias Harris, right, because he had
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  Speaker 5: that big contract, they thought automatically that's supposed to lead
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  Speaker 5: to X numbers every night and at Yeah, he's a
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  Speaker 5: consummate pro. If you really look at his career postseason numbers,
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  Speaker 5: sixteen points, eight boards, just under fifty percent from the field,
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  Speaker 5: forty percent is from the three or a little bit
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  Speaker 5: like pretty damn good numbers. But he had moments in
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  Speaker 5: series that was so important to two series. Game five,
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  Speaker 5: here comes a one for eleven. Let's go in on
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  Speaker 5: Tobias Harris, right, So for him to do this eight
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  Speaker 5: straight twenty point games. He had a thirty point game seven.
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  Speaker 5: If he doesn't play the way he's playing with Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Duran going through these offensive struggles, if he doesn't pick
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  Speaker 5: up the slackshity extent he did, I got news for you.
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  Speaker 5: A sixty win one seed would have lost to an
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  Speaker 5: eight seed. Tobias Harris Ky Cunningham was spectacular, but they
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  Speaker 5: still don't win this series if you don't get the
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  Speaker 5: offense from somewhere on an offensively limited team. Jalen Duran's
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  Speaker 5: production has been cut in half in the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: Where's it going to come from? There's your answer.
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  Speaker 5: Tobas Harris hasn't missed a turn around jumper in this postseason.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like, so I just give the guy all
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  Speaker 3: the credit in the world.
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  Speaker 5: It's incredible, like the way this guy has played, and
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  Speaker 5: he may need he may need a couple more of
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  Speaker 5: those to survive this round.
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  Speaker 3: With the calves that it's now two.
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  Speaker 5: To two and you know, game fives to night's going
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  Speaker 5: to be just incredibly dramatic to see what happens. Ken
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  Speaker 5: Cleveland finally win a road game in the postseason their
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  Speaker 5: own five six and oh at home. I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: Ken Ken, Detroit get another one of those games out
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  Speaker 5: of Tobias, because if they don't, they might lose Game five,
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  Speaker 5: go get closed out on the road in game six.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's on the line tonight. I think in Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: Legs, what team should Nick fans be rooting for to
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  Speaker 1: face in the Eastern Conference Finals?
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  Speaker 4: Meaning which team do they match up better with the
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  Speaker 4: Pistons to the cap?
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  Speaker 3: Well, clearly Cleveland for two reasons. One, if it's the Calves,
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  Speaker 3: the Knicks have home court, So that's a bit. That's
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  Speaker 3: a big deal. That's big, you know, just.
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  Speaker 5: Like just like in the last series, Like you're sitting
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  Speaker 5: there watching the Philly Boston and you're going, well, if
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  Speaker 5: Boston wins that series, the Knicks go on the road
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  Speaker 5: to start the series. Instead Philly wins game seven. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: you're sitting there watching the game. If you're a Nick
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  Speaker 5: and you're that coaching staff, all of a sudden, you
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  Speaker 5: go from going on the road to play Boston game
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  Speaker 5: one to we're hosting now to Philadelphia seventy six ers
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  Speaker 5: in game one. Like that's what's at stake in this series,
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  Speaker 5: is well Cleveland wins, New York hosts the Eastern Conference Finals,
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  Speaker 5: and that's one reason.
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  Speaker 3: The other reason is that Detroit Pistons.
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  Speaker 5: Just absolutely physically dominated the next in the regular season.
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  Speaker 5: And so that to me, look, and they're going to
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  Speaker 5: always say, you're always gonna sy, oh, we don't care
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  Speaker 5: who we play, but just look at to me, those
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  Speaker 5: two reasons alone, even if and even if you the
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  Speaker 5: bisiness didn't do that to you, the fact that you'd
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  Speaker 5: get home court will be enough to kind of secretly
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  Speaker 5: root for the Cavaliers to pull this out.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of the Calves, I'm sure you've had plenty of
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  Speaker 6: opportunity to have the James Harden discussion over the last
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  Speaker 6: few weeks, just wondering where you land because it Chris
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  Speaker 6: cracks me up to him where people are just like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: he had a good game, now, everybody shut up. Now
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  Speaker 6: he had four terrible games. And it's just one of
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  Speaker 6: those deals where it's like, hey, what is James Harden
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  Speaker 6: right now? Is he this guy who's still you know,
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  Speaker 6: all star level type of player or is the guy
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  Speaker 6: that maybe you shouldn't have give that much.
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  Speaker 8: Responsibility to because he's lost his step. Where do you
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  Speaker 8: stand on James?
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  Speaker 5: I think that look, I go back to the trade
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  Speaker 5: they made. I said at the time, and I believe it,
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  Speaker 5: the risk was worth it, you know. Over Darius Garland.
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  Speaker 5: Darius got is a really good player. He's been an
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  Speaker 5: All Star in this league. He's a different type of player.
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  Speaker 5: James Harden can do things physically to a defense that
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  Speaker 5: Darius Garland could not. He can make plays for other people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: his size, strength, the velocity that he could put on
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  Speaker 5: the ball to shooters on the weak side, the lob
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  Speaker 5: threat that he represents to their bigs like, that's not
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  Speaker 5: Darius Garland's game. And so for me to add that
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  Speaker 5: other element to their team offensively, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's worth it to make that trade when they made it.
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  Speaker 5: Now with that, you have to understand there are going
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  Speaker 5: to be some playoff moments where you're just you need
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  Speaker 5: more out of James Harden and he's already had some
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  Speaker 5: of those for Cleveland in this postseason. But and he's
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  Speaker 5: had him throughout his career, and he's gotten beaten up
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  Speaker 5: for it when he's had those Knights, and he's had
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  Speaker 5: he had him in Houston, he had him in Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 5: had him in Brooklyn. It was hurt more often than
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  Speaker 5: Brooklyn and I, but I look at Philly and Houston
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  Speaker 5: more than any he had those moments. We're like, man,
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  Speaker 5: we really needed more out of him tonight to win
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  Speaker 5: this game. Having said that, if he gets it done,
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  Speaker 5: then we need to pat this guy on the back.
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  Speaker 5: In the last two games, he came through late in
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  Speaker 5: Game three. They lose that game if he doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: eight critical points in the fourth quarter of that game
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  Speaker 5: and now they're down three, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: They're not winning the series. They win the game.
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  Speaker 5: Then he goes back with twenty four and eleven in
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  Speaker 5: Game four, and then obviously Mitchell was the story thirty
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  Speaker 5: nine points in the second half. He went off at
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  Speaker 5: the same time. But they're not sitting here too too
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  Speaker 5: without James Harden the way he's played the last two games.
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  Speaker 5: So it's really at the point is he where you
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: kind of go? I don't know which version we get tonight.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Here's how I've always described James Harden for me, for
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: a superstar talent, which he absolutely is, his floor to
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: ceiling variance is too great. In other words, you might
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: get a great player that's a twenty point scorer, he'll
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: get to twenty, but he took twenty four shots on
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: a given.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Night, and like go he had a bad night, he
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: still got to twenty.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Like Harden would have nights in Philly Ords Houston, Philly particular,
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: where you know three for ten.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: He's not even the same player. He's not aggressive.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: He with six turnovers, like his floor was so bad
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: it didn't give you a chance to win. That's how
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: I've seen him throughout his career. But I'm going to
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: give him all the credit in the world because he
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: always carries that going into every playoff game. People just
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: waiting to jump on James Harden to not play well.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: So when he does like he did the last two games,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: we need to pass this guy in the back man
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: and give him credit because they're not sitting here at
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: to two with a chance to win this series potentially
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: and get to the Conerence Final without what he did
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: in the last two games.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: Now I've got in these vaulted ceilings, yes, yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Well no, And the problem with padding him on the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: back is you know the floors right around the corner.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: I mean that's right, that's the problem, right, I.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: Mean yeah, look again, you don't know from night to night.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: Now where I've always where I've always liked James Harden
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: the most is in this lane, which is, yes, it'd
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: be great if he plays well because it can make
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: them almost unbeatable if he and Mitchell both play well. Right,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: But the fact that he's got Mitchell, he doesn't have
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: to necessarily play great, right, biggest spots because you've got
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: this other guy that's going to get a lot more descruity.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Look a Mitchell is going to go from you know,
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: nineteen twenty shots in the regular season to twenty four
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: to twenty five in playoff games. One thing about Don
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: and Mitchell, He's not going to disappear in terms of
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: his aggressiveness. He might have a bad shooting night, he's
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: going to actually up his aggressiveness because that's what's required
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: of who he is. So for Harden to be in
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: this lane, I like him better here where he can
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: have moments that really matter, but he doesn't necessarily have
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: to go get thirty and ten the way that I
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: felt he did in Philly or Houston.
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: Like switching to another Mitchell in the postseason. Aj Mitchell's
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: emergence in OKC, where you're looking at some of the
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: thunder contracts coming up, dort Hart and Stein have club
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: options this offseason. Is any part of you thinking that
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: the Thunder should explore trade for for Jalen Williams before
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: you have to pay his super Max.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I think that all that's on the table for that
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: team is you just can't pay everybody.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: You can't pay everybody.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: And when they give those three their three best players,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: got you know, something close toal billion dollars guaranteed. You
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: know all the money that they gave those three guys
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: and their age, and they're the fact that they win.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: They're great guys, high character guys. It all fits great,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Let's do it. That means you're not gonna pay everybody else,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: so they're gonna have some tough decisions to make. There's
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: no doubt in my mind that Aj Mitchell going forward
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: at some point will be a starting point guard on
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: a team that is a legit solid playoff team to
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: upwards maybe have a contending team.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: He's that good.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Dylan Harper's going to be in this boat down the road.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: You unless you keep Dylan Harper and win me together
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: for ten years and that could be an incredible combination.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: But you've got Fox there, You've got Castle.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: There already, these guys that are like coming off the bench,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: these young guards that are so good. At some point
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: the opportunity has to change for them. And that means
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: really that won't be for Harper. Harper's gonna be a superstar.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: AJ Mitchell is definitely going to be a starting point
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: card on a really good team. When that happens, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: don't know, but it means tough decisions on their current
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: starters or on Mitchell going forward for that organization. There's
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: other guys too, Caruso, Hartenstein, Dort like all those guys,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: there's gonna be decisions made on.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Legs.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Is every other team playing for second place? It seems
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: like Oklahoma City is just gonna run away with the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: NBA Finals?
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Here? Is Are we all playing for second place? Here?
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, I do think they deserve the respect to
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: say that they're definitely on a different tier.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: You have to give them that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Man, They're not only defending champs, they're they're they're unbeaten,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: they haven't been super chest tested. You get a Phoenix
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: team in the first round, you know you're supposed to
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: do that to them. You get a Lakers team about Luca,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: you should do this to them. So their big test
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: is coming and San Antonio clearly, you know, assuming they
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: win this series, but they got work to do. I'm
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: not going to rule out Minnesota, but it looks like
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: San Antonio, Oklahoma City is sort of it headed for
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: this collision. Course if you get that, that's gonna be
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: their biggest test to this point, and then you're gonna
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: have to obviously win the NBA Finals there are they
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: deserve to be given the credit because of how clean
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: they play, how good they are in both ends their
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: depth for me, that and you know how exceptionally well
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: coached they are that you have to give them the
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: respect that say they should be looked at as the favorite.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: The road is going to get tougher for them from
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: this point on.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: Obviously, Like there's so much talk about Wemby when it
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: comes to the Spurs. Obviously he's transformational, But you just
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: mentioned Daron Fox, and even that name kind of gets
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: lost in my head because.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: I'm like, man Stefan Castle, Man Harper is really good.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: They've got so many good players, and it just makes
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: me wonder, like do you think that they're that they're
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: ready now? Even if Wemby himself might not be ready.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: The team as a whole is ready now to start
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: their championship run.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Perhaps, Yeah, to be honest with you, I see I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: more likely to give them like the just even the
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt that they could win it this
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: year because of the rest of the team, right, not
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: even about Wemby for me, as great as he is
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: and what is he's going to do to this league
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: for the next ten to fifteen years.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: We all know what that looks like, the fact that
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: they're this good around them, but this is this.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, you find a better trio of guards in
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: the NBA than what they have Darren Fox. People remember
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Dear Fox average twenty five points a game multiple times
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: in Sacramento, Okay, didn't have a lot of playoff experience
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: because he was on a team that couldn't compete. This
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: is a guy that has sacrificed offensively until you get
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: to this point in the year and he can do things.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: What he needs to within the game is to find
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: castle rookie of the year. One of the best physical
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: specimens I've seen come into this league at the guard
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: spot in a long time, just physically dominant on both ends.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: And then you have Harper, who I've already described as
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: a budding superstar. It's and it's Vassal, It's it's Kelden
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Johnson six Man of the Year and the toughness he brings.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: It's they went out and picked up Lou Cornette, such
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: a great addition as a backup to women like I
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: just love the depth of their team, how complete They
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: already beat you on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Both ends of the floor.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: And it's more for me about the supporting cast than
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: it even is about Wemby. Honestly, if they didn't have
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: those guys, I'm not sure Wemby would be ready right
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: now to take this across the finish line. That that
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: supporting cast means maybe maybe they are ready already, which
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: is scary for the league.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Uh do you think do you think the referees are
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: having difficulties officiating Wemby because they've never seen anything like Wemby.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Definitely what the black shots calls.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, well, look, he's I think that he's so long
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: that like you have guys now that are big players
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: that like their top of their head is hitting him
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: right in the middle of his chest, and so like
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: they're where their center of gravity is is like just different,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: like they're used to putting a forearm into another big
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: to hold them off on a box out or or
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: post them up, and they're putting that North used to
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: putting that elbow right into somebody's chest, they're putting their
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: elbow like into his waist and it's and even even
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: boxing them out like, so it's different where he's absorbing
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the contact. It's different to officiate a guy like this.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: And I just think in general, like the playoffs are
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: so difficult to officiate in general because which is what
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: we all want. What you allow just becomes so much
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: greater because that's what that's what fans want to see.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: They don't want to see a parade to the foul line.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: They want to see guys play through contact. But I'm
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: telling you right now, like there are literally multiple fouls
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: being committed on every trip up the floor that aren't
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: that would.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Be called definitely in the regular season.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: And so now you add into the component this guy
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: at seven foot five and you know, a couple hundred pounds,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: and it's like this looks different. I don't know, it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: just like with Shaq used to play because he was
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: a unique one of one, right, and you're like you're
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: like this guy's getting hammered, but it doesn't seem to
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: be knocking them off.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Balance, so maybe we shouldn't call that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Then, I like, yes, it was Lemby, It's it's it's
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: kind of like the same thing, like he could maybe
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: really get displaced with a little bit of contact, And
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: you're like, I was, you know, was that enough or
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: is it just because of how little he weighs. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: it's a challenge, man, There's no doubt. He's an incredible
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: force man, incredibly entertaining and is so unique to watch the.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: NBA Finals that Tim Legler thinks would be the most
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: competitive is Blanke.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Oh man, Look, I think I think it's gonna be
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: right now, the way that the Knicks are playing, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: just think that that is the team that's the closest
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: to the best version of themselves. And they've got an
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: incredibly talented starting lineup. So whoever would come out of
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: the West and you know, whether that's okayc or if
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: you think it's gonna be okay Ce san Antonio, Like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: it's going to require that to give us the best
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: version of an NBA Finals against whoever comes out of
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the Western Conference. So right now, that would be the Knicks.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: I just think the Knicks are playing as well as
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: anybody in this league. And I think there was a
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: time when I thought, you know, earlier in the season,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I thought it's a forgone conclusion. Whoever represents the East
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: can't beat whoever wins the West. Right, that's kind of
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: how And I actually at the time I was putting
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Denver into that category as well, with Oklahoma City in
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: San Antonio. And I think the Knicks have kind of
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: changed that narrative the way they're playing, the way that
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: they finished these last two series.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Man, it's like, wow, Like, how do you slow that down?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: The rhythm they have?
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in his mouth, Tailor,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: but it seems like Tim Legler feels like the Knicks
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: match up very well with Oklahoma City.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, how about that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: It's hard to tell, Tim, but Taylor's never been more excited.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I also don't want to get ahead of myself.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: They have another series to play, but this is exciting.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Well, look, you think about you think about this and
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: whether it's whether it's Cleveland Detroit or obviously Nicks are
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: already in the Commerce Finals, so whether it's Cleveland Detroit
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: with Kate Cunningham, Donovan Mitchell, Slash, James Harden or Jalen Brunson.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: You know, and if it's Oklahoma City that ended up
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: being the finals against shag Kil's is Alexander. I mean,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like the best of the best at
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: that position. Yes, you know, it's it's it's just like
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: you know, in the way that those guys control everything
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: for their teams. But look, I'm not getting ahead of myself, man,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: you know, and calling games because you're it's You're a
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: lot less likely to get ahead of yourself.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: You're in studio.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: You can say whatever, and then tomorrow I'll say whatever else,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and the next day I'll.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Say something different.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, calling games is a little bit different because
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: you go into them giving teams a benefit of the doubt, right,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: and you want to you don't know how it's about
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: to go. And we have we have the Knicks already
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: sitting there. I don't know who's gonna win this Detroit
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Cleveland series. I don't know who's gonna win San Antonio
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: and Minnesota either.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: Man.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: There's work to be done for San Antonio to even
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: get the the the good fortune of playing Oklahoma City
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: and then obviously tonight is tonight is I think is
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: like the pivotal game.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Obviously in this series with Detroit Cleveland, the game to.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Game two, to me is the second most important game
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of the series. Like, what do you think, Well, we
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: all know, we all know Game two. I mean, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: know everyone, how many champions.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: In history did not win Game two?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean it's a game that can really
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: dictate the rest of the series. You're down one oh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and that Game two becomes, you know, vastly important.
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: That's why Game two there's so much effences and if
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you're up one oh, you can end the series on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a game two.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: How about that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: I think if you went and really charted all of
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: this the second inning in baseball, like game two of
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: a hockey series, the second round in boxing. Yeah right,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: it's all of these things are very determinate, and who
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: ends up ultimately winning. I think Game two in the
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: NBA at the top of the list of important must have.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Legs, I appreciate that. Keep your eye
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: on the second hole of the PGA Championship this weekend, guys,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's a big hole.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you exactly what's going to do all of this.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, we get legs out of here.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Just a second. Taylor is a quick boy. Go ahead, Taylor.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just going to clarify. I haven't been
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: this excited about the Knicks to since they won the
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: NBA Cup, right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, listen, do you think you think about it?
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: Man?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: You got you know a team that this this at
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: a city that loves basketball this much, franchise like the
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Knicks fifty three years.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we're talking about.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think since those glory days went four straight
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Eastern Conference Finals, I think from seventy one to seventy
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: four two finals appearances. Since then, I think this is
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: their seventh conference finals appearance. They've been to the finals
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: a couple times, have not been able to get across
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: the finish line. I think the way this team is
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: playing right now, I think all nick fans feel exactly
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: the same way. They feel like this could be the
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: end of this drought.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know what I would do if the Dolphins
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: won a Super Bowl, but I imagine it's close to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: what Taylor feels like right now, because this is close
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: as he's ever been.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Well, think about this guy was the year. The Commanders
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: are my squad. As everybody knows, it's been Ben since
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: ninety one. So you're talking about thirty five years and
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: guess what you got to tackle on eighteen more to
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: get to the Knicks.
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: I mean, so this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Is how long this is?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, we're starting fork go ahead is we've
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: been talking a lot of playoffs.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: So I was looking because I was like, man, you
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: were in a playoff series that I loved. And then
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: I realized that's your only playoff series in your career.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Not you was man like, not your fan. No, And look,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: it's honestly that the course of my career changed when
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: I you know, at the height of my career, when
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: I was twenty nine and I thought I was the
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: best shooter in the league, and I blew my knee
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: up man badly and I just never really recovered from that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I retired at a younger age or else.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: You know, you never know where your career would lead you,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: what team you could go to later in your career
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: and compete for a championship.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: It wasn't able to happen for me. But it's it's
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: it's okay, So it's too.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you remember this series, this was
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, cal Shaney, Rod Strickland on that
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: team against of course the Bulls of ninety three.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Ninety ninety six, seven ninety seven, and it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Was three games, so it was a sweet yeh man,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: all amazing. What was your favorite memory of that and
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: why was it? Michael Jordan dropping fifty.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Five fifty five in game one? I believe it was.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: That was certainly memorable, but it was for me it
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: was it was going into the arena at home when
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: the series shifted.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: First first two were in Chicago.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: We go to Washington and we go into the arena
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: and just like like played there for four years, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: never felt anything like the electricity getting eaten to the
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: arena that night, Like it was like the Bulls were
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: in town and for a playoff series, that was the
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: best home environment that particular night I ever experienced when
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I was playing in Washington and we took them right
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: to the wire. I think Scotty Pippen had a three
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: point play and inside of a minute to go that
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: gave them the lead and they were able to.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Hold on it beat us three straight.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: But after the game, Michael Jordan famously said the Bullets
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: are the next team to look out for in the
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Eastern Conference because of all of the young, big talent
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: we had.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And then we proceeded to trade it all away after that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: So I watched.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, we traded web, We traded we had already
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: traded Rashid at that point after one year. We traded
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Ben Wallace away, we traded Weber. Everybody left.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Man, wait till Leron gets there. Wait, listen, well hold on,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a second. When Jordan says
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you're close, what you do is you trade away all
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: your best players. That's what you do. We'll let Tim
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: get out of here. At just as second. Taylor has
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a theory here. The only way that Lebron can catch
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Jordan is if he go if he does something that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Jordan couldn't do, go to Washington and win an NBA title.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about that if he were to
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: pull that off.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I think everybody would probably put him there if he
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: pulls that off. I mean, that's just looking at where
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: they are right now. They've already had a bunch of
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: lottery picks. They just added the number one pick in
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the draft. But they're so young. They seem so far away.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: If Lebron are able to go there in one year
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: and do that pairing up with Ad again, yeah, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: think a lot of people would put Lebron there.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: It looks like they got a hole in the small
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: forward spot. I think it's perfect for him.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: They got a hold the power forward. He's always injured anyway. Listen,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's the right thing to say. Just say yes, because
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he knows Lebron's not going to do it, meaning go
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to Washington.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That's somewhere he's going.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: All right, Yes, Game five tonight, Calves and Pistons. Tim
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Legler is on the call. He is excellent. He knows
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: more basketball than any person I know, by a lot,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: except for Israel Goody. Era's close second. Tim, Thanks for
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the time. We appreciate. Were you nervous before that game too?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: In the playoffs?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Were you nervous the game?
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Always?
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Game two?
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: You know that? All right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: We appreciate the time during a busy time. Thank you
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: for doing this, man, you got.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: It anytime, guys, all right, thank you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: B Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Company Live Weekday, said three pm Eastern, twelve pm Pacific.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Or very exciting. Landon Donovan is with us. He was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: asking us Nicks questions right before we got started. Here
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he is with us on behalf of Next Cafe Espresso Keg,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: what are you doing with them?
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Landing before we get to the Knicks and maybe some soccer.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: Well, I grew up with My mom had it in
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: the home growing up, so it's nostalgic for me. But
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: as we get to the Knicks, imagine the Knicks playing
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: four times a day, every day.
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: For thirty nine days.
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: Just what the World Cup's going to be this summer
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: and we have an ability to talk about soccer twenty
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: four to seven, And I think the best way to
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: do it is with Nest Cafe and connecting before the game,
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: after the game, continuing to talk about this sport that
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: I love so much.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: How many espressed espressos does land and Donovan.
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: Have in a day, Well, when I'm working the World Cup,
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: it's going to be like two or three. It's as
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: you know, when you're working sporting events like that, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: a grind.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: So I have the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: Amazing opportunity to call the games, but it's a lot
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: of work, and Next Cafe helps me stay energized throughout.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: It Land, and I got a bunch of World Cup questions.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: But I really want to ask you a next question,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: because you're asking about the next excited level of fandom.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: How excited are you with them?
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm just I like to see teams that have
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: perpetually suffered do well in some cases. I've gotten to
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: know Jerry Ferrara, who was turntle On Entourage, pretty well
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: and he's a diehard Knicks fan. So we were at
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: an event last month together and he has so much
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: anxiety around this, So to see them doing well makes
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: me happy for him and happy for Knicks fans Landon.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: We're running into a problem where we would love to
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: sit court side at a Knicks playoff game, but we
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: don't really have an in. You could stroll into Madison
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: Square Garden tomorrow and they'll put you right there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Could we come to the game with you potentially?
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe? What do you think I mean we think we
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: need Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: You need to call Jerry. I think we can get you.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Wait, you turtle call.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: You've never sat court side for the next game? No, sir, really,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I would love to.
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know what, I would actually prefer to do
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: at MSG is go to a Billy Joel concert.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Really, can you help me do that?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Listen, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. I'll get
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you to Billy Joel. You get me courtside for a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: next game, and we're good.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I'll take preseason landed.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Have you been frustrated because I've been railing against US
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: men's soccer And I'm sorry to do that, Okay, but
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you and tell you because
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I've been hearing since the nineteen eighties that this is it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: this is the soccer splurg that we're finally going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: see the explosion of men's soccer in the United States,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and yet it's never happened, and I'm wondering why it
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: hasn't happened. And if you're frustrated over the fact that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet, well.
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: I view it a little bit differently.
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: And this is not believe me, not drinking the kool aid,
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: because I'm as critical as anybody. But we want things
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: in society to happen right away. And the reality is,
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: if you look at Bajor League Baseball, the NFL, the
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: NBA in the early days they weren't what they are now, right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: So this takes time to build.
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: My frustration is in two thousand and two I played
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: in a World Cup in South Korea. We got to
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: the quarterfinals and that is still the furthest we've ever got.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: And so my frustration is not about off the field
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: and the growth. I think the growth of soccer in
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: this country has been amazing. It's more on the field.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: Why we haven't eclipsed that. And there was a study
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: just came out recently. They asked, I think it's a
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: thousand Americans what their favorite sport was. NFL was number one,
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: is predictable, NBA was number two. Soccer was number three
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: for the first time, ahead of baseball and hockey. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: so the sport is growing off the field, But my
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: frustration sometimes lies with why haven't we achieved more on
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: the field.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Why haven't we.
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: I'm going to stay off my soapbox here, but I'll
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: keep this brief.
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: The reality is is you have to develop players that
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: are capable of playing at a world class level, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: we just haven't done that. We had more world class
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: players twenty years ago than we do today. And the
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: youth soccer and youth development in this country needs some work,
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: so we have to do a better job of that,
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: and that's how you get players that can succeed at
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: this level.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: Landon, what do you think are realistic expectations for the
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: US entering this World Cup? Because every time I hear
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: Poach talk about this team, he's not really getting me excited.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: When he's like, we don't have any top one hundred players,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: he's lower expectations.
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: You don't have to have top level talent to succeed,
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: like look at the Knicks.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: No, I'm just kidding.
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: If you have, especially in.
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: Soccer, if you have eleven men or women who play
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: well together, if they have enough quality.
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: You can succeed. Our two thousand and two team was
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: a great example of that.
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: We didn't have any top fifty players in the world
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: on that team, but we were successful because we were
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: a good team. This team has better players than any
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: team we've ever had on the men's side, and so
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: if they're able to get that part right, continuity and
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: playing well together, they can do very very well. They
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: have a very favorable group. We should get out of
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: our group no problem, and we should probably win our group,
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: and from there that sets you on a path that
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: gives you a really good chance to go deep into
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: the tournament.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: That kind of scares me, to be honest, to say
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: that a US team should get out of the group
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: or should win the group.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know what nobody's saying it,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: but I think you're saying soccer fans could take some
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: solace in this team is good enough and they're set
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: up correctly for them to have a good World Cup.
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and they look, you have to perform right that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: The reality with soccer, not just similar from the Olympics,
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: is every four years you have the ability to do
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: something really special that grows the sport more than anything
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: in the prior four years could do. So they have
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: an opportunity this summer, especially with it being on home soil,
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: to really push the sport forward.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Landon obviously played in World Cups, attended other World Cups,
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: and it is such you know, it is the world
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: sporting event, right, But it feels like, and correct me
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: if I'm wrong here, it feels like it's getting some
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: bad pr here in North America just from some of
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: the whether it be the cost situation, ticket prices, transportation,
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: what have you for somebody who has the perspective of
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: understanding how massive these events are. Are we getting prematurely upset?
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Will it live up to, you know, expectations of this
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: event that we love here in our country or in
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: this continent, or is it you know, is some of
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: the things that are approaching as its tournament approach is
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: really questioning or questionable.
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: Rather, Yes, we're going to have the level of excitement
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: and it's going to meet and exceed the expectations. Every
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: World Cup I've been a part of since I can remember,
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: there's this quiet period about a month or two before
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: the World Cup where there's no qualifiers, the rosters haven't
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: been announced yet, the teams have already been drawn into
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: the groups, and so there's really nothing to talk about, right,
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: and so you start to hear blurbs of disappointment or
• 38:52
  Speaker 11: this or every World Cup I've been a part of
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: has been spectacular. There's been no issues, and I fully
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: anticipate the exact same aim to happen this summer. Once
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: we get into June, all of this will dissipate and
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: and people be really excited to connect around this beautiful Gamelandon.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: You had a loan spell at Everton. I'm a Liverpool guys,
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: but we'll save that. Could you explain to people in
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: the US that maybe aren't following the Premier League that
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: closely the disaster that would be Tottenham getting relegated and
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: going down.
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I'll equate it to your neck of
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: the woods.
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: It would like it would be like the Yankees finishing
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: in last place and playing in Triple A next year
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: because of that. And so in the soccer world, if
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: you finish in the bottom three of the English Premier League,
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: you move down to the division lower. And so can
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: you imagine the Yankees playing the you know, Hot Tucket
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: Red Sox every game or during the year next year,
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: and and some other team coming up that is that
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: is the equivalent of it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: And so there's a.
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: Massive story going on in England that Tottenham, one of
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: the historically best teams, may end up getting relegated to
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: a division below Landin.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: We'll get to Taylor's soccer roles that he wants to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: apply to US sports in just a second. I am
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: wondering if you could explain to the audience here the difference,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: at least from your perspective of playing in a World
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Cup soccer game as opposed to any other soccer match.
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah. Again, I'll use sports analogy.
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: So Yankees, Red Sox or Knick Nets or Nick Sixers
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: or you have that pride and that passion for your
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: city and your team, and we have that with regular
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: soccer matches with our club teams. The difference in a
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: World Cup is you're putting national pride on top of that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: So when you think about the greatest college football rivalries
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: and the intensity and how the fans feel, now add
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: national pride to that. And so if you get a
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: chance to go to a game, I would absolutely recommend
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: people it because it is unlike any sporting event you'll
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: ever see in your life.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Landon.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: The one that I really want to bring over is
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: players going on loan where teams like the Marlins need money. Yeah,
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: so they could just take like, you know, twenty million
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: dollars to loan out some of their best players. Of
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: the Yankees, you think that could work in Americans?
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: Actually, I actually love that. I guess I love it
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: in all sports.
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: Or it's it's more like if the Yankees have a
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: really good prospect, but he's you know, sitting behind Aaron
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: Judge and he's not going to play for two, three, four?
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: Can you loan him to a team that has less
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: money that you know and needs him and let him
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: play there for the year.
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: I think it's a great idea.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Who's not a threat? Like, you know, who's not a
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: threat to you?
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: You want to maybe to the other conference or the
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: other the national league or you know.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, last quick thing landed?
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: Is there?
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: If there's a guy on the team who would be
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: more of a household name by the end of this
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: World Cup on the US team, who would that be?
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: Well, there's a few who some people will know are
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: people who fall soccer. Christian Polisic for sure. I think
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: Weston McKenny, who plays in Italy as well for Juventus.
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: He's playing literally the best soccer of his life right
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: now heading into the tournament. He's also charismatic, very like
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: good on camera, fun to be around. I think if
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: he performs well, he could absolutely be the breakout star
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: for our team this.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: World Cudright, final question, We'll get you out of here
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and promote Nest Cafe one more time we play a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: game around here, PK for your life.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, you have to choose a guy to take a.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Penalty kick and your life depends on it, all right,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Messi or Ronaldo?
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Which one? Messi? Ronaldo PK for your life. It's a
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: tough one.
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: Yes, I take either.
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: But he's feeling pretty good about your life.
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: I'll say Messi because he's won a World Cup, so
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: he can handle the pressure, and he's had so much
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: pressure on him his whole career.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: All right, Lenn, we appreciate the time.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: One more time on the way out, if you don't mind,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: please promote what it is you're doing with nest cafet.
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: You.
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: We're encouraging people to connect through the game that I
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: really love, and there are going to be four games
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: a day for most is, so wake up, have a
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: coffee in between the games. Connect you have you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: both of the haves, and think of this as your
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: third half where you're talking about the game and connecting
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: with people you love, using this cafe to help feel you.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: All right, man, we appreciate it. You're great.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I'll be in touch with you about Billy Joel work
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: on the Nick floor seats for America.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, American sports hero should always get tickets to whatever
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: MSGIV I.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Think Landon doesn't realize he can walk into the Mecca
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: today and sit court side.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: He doesn't realize what a hero he is. He does it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Landon.
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: Thanks, I hope you're right all right.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gotson Company
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: live weekdays at three pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific on
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• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Very excited about this.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: His brother has become a friend of mine, a friend
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of the show, Chris Long. Kyle Long is with us though,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm very excited he's with us to promote Generation five.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: We have a game for him at the end. He
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: loves games, which I very excited about. Tell us about
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: what you're doing with Generation Fine, Kyle.
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: All right, So I partner with Johnson and Johnson on
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: the Generation Fine movement, which is really having an attention
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: to the fact that we all deal with mental health.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: You know, we all have it's a spectrum, so we've
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: all got a different thing going on. But one thing
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: we can all have a unifying conversation over is the
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: fact that talking about this stuff is good. And when
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: I played, everybody would always text me during the season.
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: You know, nobody sees you during the season, but they
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: text you, how you doing, I'm fine, I'm good. That
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: doesn't have to be the benchmark, right Like, we should
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: be striving for better than that. And in order to
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: do that, you're gonna have to have some tough conversations.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: Look yourself in the mirror. And a great place to
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: start if you feel like you're somebody that's dealing with
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: this is generation dash fine dot com. There's tools, resources, information.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: But being in a football family, I know how important
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: mental health is. It doesn't affect just me, but my wife,
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: my the people I work with, and it goes for players, coaches, scouts,
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: support staff, trainers in the NFL, and I would imagine
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: it permeates everywhere on earth. People have to deal with
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: mental health. So this is a good starting point. I
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: want to destigmatize that conversation.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask, why is this a personal
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: thing for you? Why is this so important to you?
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: Well, when I was playing, I started to notice that
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: there were some days that were harder than others to
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: get out of bed. I mean even when I was
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: an All Pro, and it wasn't because I was sore.
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: It was because I had something going on between the
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: six inches between my ears and I had to take accountability,
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: take ownership, and realize that, Like if I sprain my ankle,
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I'm going to go and take care of that and
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: I'm going to do the treatment that I need. Why
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: wouldn't I do the same thing if I'm dealing with
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: depression or anxiety or anything along those lines. There's a
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: lot of us that do. And I promise you we've
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: all got a little bit of poundage that's sitting on
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: our shoulders and on our chest because of things that
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: we didn't say, conversations we haven't had, regrets we may have.
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: So I would urge you guys to step up. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: you know, I want to say, you know, be a man,
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: and I want to rebrand that too. I mean, being
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: a man's looking out for yourself and the people that
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: love you and you love. What better way to do
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: that than to have these conversations.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: Hey, Kyle, I'm curious, hello, by the way, are you doing?
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: What do you suggest when somebody doesn't know?
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: What does that feel like?
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: What if I don't know if having a bad day
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: actually just means anything, if it's weighing on me, isn't
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: that the conversations that they have to have, right.
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: I would say that you learn about yourself in comparing
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: and contrasting with others. And while you and I may
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: not have the same things, I'm sure that in a
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: five to two minute conversation you and I can find
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: something that's like common ground this ven diagram, And if
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: you talk to enough people, or if you have enough
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: conversations with that person, you should be able to identify
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: some of the things that maybe you know, what I
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: thought I was doing great, but this I can tweak
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: the margins on this, I can be even better than great.
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: You know. It's it's applicable for anybody on this spectrum.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Kyle, I'm wondering you and your brother do such great
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: work off the field, Like who instilled that into you guys?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Was that from your parents? Was that dad who told you, hey,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: use the platform, use it for good, for good.
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: Use Well, my dad's obviously always been, you know, a
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: model citizen. But it's it's my mom, Diane, who is
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: just on you know, she's on dozens of boards for
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: nonprofits and charitable organizations. I think that using your platform
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: and helping other people is something that we got from
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: our dad, but we definitely got from our mom. Diane
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: and she's an all star. And you can see it
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: with Chris. I mean, he's been a man on a
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: mission for a long time.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Kyle.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: I saw a funny story about you and Matt Naggie's
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: first day with the Bears.
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: Could you tell these guys about that story.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: He's rubbing his heads, I'll do his face. What is
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: going on on?
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: Good research, by the way, good research. So I had
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: just moved into a new house in Lake Forest, Illinois.
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: Beautiful house, beautiful house, and I knew that the first
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: day was this was like a Sunday night. I go
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: to bed, I plug my phone in, I set my alarm.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: I'm an early guy. I'm their way early. I bring
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: like a sixty degree wedge and I'm out there hitting it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: You know, you got to tell me to get out
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: of the building. Well, I plugged my phone into a
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: dead outlet and I used white noise and white noise
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: on Spotify. It drains your battery unless you're plugged in.
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: I woke up peacefully at about seven thirty am, which
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: was about an hour and a half after my alarm
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: was supposed to go off. And I'm I'm like one
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: of the guys on this team. And we have a
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: brand new coach. Well, I slept through that meeting and
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: the first meeting, and in the video in the presentation
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: was like we need guys that are accountable and do things.
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: And it's like I'm all over the presentation. I'm like
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: the guy and I'm nowhere to be found. I just
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: remember the head of security, John Tarpy, called me. I'm
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: in my kitchen like scrambling to get out the door,
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: and Tarpy called me. He's like, you missed the first meeting.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, this is not what it looks like.
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: It wasn't a contract situation or anything. It was just
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: a dead outlet and here I am talking about it
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: nine years later. I'll never forget that, so I always
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: make sure my stuff is charging.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You're scarred by that. I mean it's like that was
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: painful for you. I mean, yeah, you need that though,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: you kind.
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: Of need that, like fear right, if you're going to
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: be in the National Football League.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Would you be surprised if I told you during Super
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Bowl Week your brother invited me out on a lawn
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to take ushrooms and just stare at the Golden Gate Bridge.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: This is like the least surprising thing I've ever heard.
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: You know, Chris is always on his journey of discovery,
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: and I think that did you take him up on
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: that invitation?
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Also not surprising Stu, No, no, no, Chris did not.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Chris Taylor told the story Chris never showed up to
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: the lawn. I think he took him. He was too
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: paranoid to leave the house, something like.
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: You know what, it sounds like an overwhelming evening. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: I'm you know, me and Chris are so we're so alike,
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: but we're so different. I mean, I'm so happy to
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: know him. Man, he exposes me to so many crazy things.
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: I'm just I'm just happy. He's a nice guy, is he?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: We're gonna play a game here of Chris or Kyle,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and then we'll have Chris on to get his answers
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and we'll match him up against Kyle's answers.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: How does that sound you like games? You said, right?
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: Love games? Big game guy.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Mom's favorite, Chris my favorite.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm gonna take Kyle.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Huh really why?
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: I just I don't know.
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: I got a gut feeling here.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Here's the deal.
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: So my mom and I have a lot of overlap,
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: Like obviously people look at me and they're like, Oh,
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: that's how he's kid. He's huge, he's a football player.
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: My mom was like musical theater. I did that in
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: junior high drama club. I was into that. There's a
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: lot of the things that my mom that makes up
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: her personality that I find in me. Chris and my
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: dad are very similar in terms of just like type
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: a squarehead, great hair.
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: Kyle, I could tell you from somebody who is absolutely
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: not the favorite.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: If you're the favorite, you know, in my house there
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: were more pictures of my brother with his lacrosse coach
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: than there were of me.
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: That's unbelievable. The lacrosse coach gets more.
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: The lacrosse coach had more walls.
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: Chris would be the first guy to say that I'm
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: the favorite, Like, like, Kyle's definitely the favorite, and I'm like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: I have to think about it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But Chris says that knowing that everyone else knows
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: that Kyle is the favorite, right, I feel like, Yeah,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: he's too serious.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Right, Chris or Kyle dad's favorite. Me didn't even hesitate
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: He didn't hesitate, Okay.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Chris or Kyle best gift giver?
• 52:22
  Speaker 9: H Chris is probably a really gift good gift giver
• 52:25
  Speaker 9: because he's pre CBA so he can give big gifts,
• 52:31
  Speaker 9: huge gifts. Yes, what kind of gifts do you like?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Just go pick one out right, go to Uncle Chris,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: like all my gifts.
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: I put him on Layaway.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, best singing voice Chris or Kyle Uh.
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: I like to sing. I like to sing. And it
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: goes back to that musical background stuff. I really do
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: enjoy singing anything.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, what's your go to? Like, what's the song you'll
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: sing out loud in the shower?
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: Well, right now, it's a lot of the Disney princess stuff. So,
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: but you know, with these Disney movies. By the way,
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: watched Tarzan yesterday, Yeah, the original Phil Collins. Collins have
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: a day. Hats off to Phil Collins. Unbelievable. And my
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: kids aren't big like movie buffs. They listened to all
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: the music. But yesterday was like thunder and lightning and
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: South Forest. So we put the kids on the couch,
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: we put Tarzan on. I've never seen more locked in
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: people than watching Tarzan. And then when Phil Collins come
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: come on, this is nothing better.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Hall of Famer, go ahead, Mikey I.
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Got a two parter here, who is the funniest and
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: who thinks they're the funniest.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: Chris is probably the funniest. I definitely think I'm the.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Funniest, but you know you're not funny, Like that's what
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: makes it funny.
• 53:48
  Speaker 9: It's like I will swing the bat, I will swing hard.
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: I will swing hard. One time, so I was I'm
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: friends with like Will Compton and those guys, and I
• 53:56
  Speaker 9: ran into Will outside of a super Bowl party one
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: night and we had all had a couple of pops.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: I think Drake was playing. It was a very cool venue.
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: We weren't supposed to be there, and we walk outside
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: and you know, you see the light of like the
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: Ubers and everything when you leave. And I saw Will
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: with Shane Gillis, who I'm a huge fan of Shane Gillis,
• 54:15
  Speaker 9: and I walked up and I cracked the joke. I
• 54:17
  Speaker 9: cracked the joke to Will Compton, like making fun of him,
• 54:20
  Speaker 9: and Shane looks at me and he goes, good joke, idiot,
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: Like it was a terrible joke, and he called me
• 54:27
  Speaker 9: on it. But that's an example of like, but I'm
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: not afraid if I'm coming again with it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: But for a comedian, that also wasn't a great retort
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: by Shane.
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: He looked at me like, good joke. Oh that killed
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: me for a couple of days.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Most likely to attempt to pay for dinner Chris or Kyle.
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: Most likely to attempt to play for pay for dinner.
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: That would be Chris. So he could leave as soon
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: as he's done eating.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Wait what does he do soone the second he's done chewing,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: he gets up, pays for the meal and leaves.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, you know what.
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: I just think he's a homebody and if you don't,
• 55:03
  Speaker 9: if you're not grilling at his house, he is in
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: a track meet to the door to try to get home.
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: He's one of those guys.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: All right, final one here, Taylor has a question, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: then we'll promote what you're doing one more time on
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the way out. We appreciate the time. I want to
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: do this more. I want to have you with Chris. Yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I want to have you and Chris saw it together.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: The guy who gives the biggest tips Chris.
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: Or Kyle biggest tips. Yeah, yeah, I think I tip
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: pretty well because most of the time when I tip,
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: it's hit the golf course.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: And for example, there's a public course down here in
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: South Florida called Osprey Point. It's like the best public
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: course in the state.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: And I played it a number of times.
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: It's fantastic, fantastic, right, throw the starter a couple bones.
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: Make sure you take care of the people that clean
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: your clubs in your car, because when you show up
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: on a random day and you say, man, maybe i'd
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: go out and play eighteen, those are the same people
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: that make the decision. Now, I'm not saying treat people
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: well so you can get things, but if you want
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: to be a good tipper, it pays to do it
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: at the golf course that people take care of you.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: All Right, how about me and you around at Osbrey Point.
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: How does that sounds a handicap?
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: My handicap's like a fifteen fifteen.
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: We'd have a hell of a day.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, But I tend to h I tend to dabble
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: on some of Chris's things more so than yours.
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: Just so yeah, that free zone, Okay, I can't.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Dabble right the third hole, every hole, Taylor, go ahead, Kyle.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: So, I played football at UNC and I once dropped
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: a pass, and on my way back to the sideline, my.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Coach said, don't worry.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: The world needs average people too.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: And I'm wondering, from your experience in locker rooms and
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: around coaches, what's the meanest thing a coach has ever
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: said to you?
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: The meanest thing a coach ever said to me? So
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: flashback to the Matt Naggi first year. Okay, and I
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: finally got to the building and we started doing our practices.
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: We did our first practice and again I met with
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: Naggi after the missing the meeting, and I'm back in
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: the good graces as one of the guys. Vic Fangio
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: is our defensive coordinator. I love Vic Fangio. Him and
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: my dad are type. They text a lot. It was
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: just strange, but I love victory it is. So we
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: break down at the end of practice. They bring all
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: the guys into a little like nucleus and they say,
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: break them down. Seventy five you got them, that's me.
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: I'm seventy five. So I go up there and I say,
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: you know, one, two, three bears, I'm not giving speeches
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: them one two, three bears and I walk away and
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: then I get grabbed on my arm. When I'm leaving
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: the huddle, it's Vic Fangio. He looks me right in
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: the eyes. He said, you didn't fucking deserve that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: Classic fangs I mean, And you know what, it's the
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: same guy that when a Keem Hicks would play sixty
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: plays and tap his helmet to get a breather at
• 58:01
  Speaker 13: three hundred and fifty pounds, Vic Fangio would remind him.
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: I remember hearing these conversations like my dad would. On
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: a Monday or Thursday game, my dad could be there,
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: so he'd be in the tunnel after the game, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: me and a Keem are super tight, and we'd walk
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: out of the locker room together, but we bash each
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: other's faces in all week. But on Sundays we were
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: going at somebody else and we're leaving the locker room
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: at the same time, and me and a Keen walk
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: out and Vic and my dad are talking. And Vic
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: loves my dad because he's old school. He never came out,
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: he played all he played all the positions, he two gaps,
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: he never bitched.
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: I remember he Vic goes, hey, King, come here, I
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: want you to talk to Howie for a second. And
• 58:44
  Speaker 10: he goes, Howie, how many times did you leave the
• 58:48
  Speaker 10: field when you played? And I remember my dad knew
• 58:50
  Speaker 10: what a kee or what Vic was trying to do
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: to a keem, and he was like, I'm I'm not
• 58:54
  Speaker 10: doing this here. And it just made me realize these
• 58:58
  Speaker 10: coaches are just trying to crawl up under your skin
• 59:00
  Speaker 10: and live inside of your brain and get inside of
• 59:02
  Speaker 10: your heart and make you feel less than. But that's
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: what it takes, okay, because who else is going to
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: motivate a six six, three hundred and fifty pound monster
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: savage to go do stuff because the rest of it's.
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: Easy for him. You need somebody to push you over
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: the edge. That was Vic Fangio for me, and Aaron
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: Cromer was the guy that really dug his nails into me.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: All Right, we'll get you out of here in a second.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Chris Simms is a friend of the show.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: He's always telling me that his dad, Phil Simms, who
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: won two Super Bowls, is always reminding him, Hey, I'm
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the one who has the rings in the family. I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: know all you guys have some rings, but Howie Long,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: how often does it remind the kids, Hey, dad's.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: A Hall of Fame fucking football player. I'm better than
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: both of you.
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: You know what, It's funny. It makes it easy. It
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: makes it easy because he wasn't just a guy that
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: played and I didn't have to like measure up to him,
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: and he doesn't have to deal with how close are
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: my kids? It is obvious that he is the north Star.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: I'm just trying to spacexit a little bit. Okay, I'm
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: just trying to get out of the lower Earth orbit
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: a little bit and navigate those potholes. He did a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: great job of putting street lamps at every corner for
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: one hundred miles, and there will not be a crossroad
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: that I meet that hasn't been traveled by him. And
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: that gives me incredible peace. And I'm thankful for him.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Do you write poetry because that was great? No, thank you, though, yes,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it was really good. We are thankful for you in
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: your times. We appreciate it.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Tell us one more time on the way out here again.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: What you're doing. It's great. It's great work you guys
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  Speaker 4: are doing with Generation Fine.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Johnson and Johnson and I have partnered on Generation Fine.
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  Speaker 9: It's a fabulous movement that allows for guys like myself
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  Speaker 9: and all the people on this call today to reach out,
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  Speaker 9: to have somebody to talk to. Visit generation dash fine
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  Speaker 9: dot com for resources, tools and information. Look, we're all
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  Speaker 9: affected by it, so let's hold hands about it, talk
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  Speaker 9: about it a little bit, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, man, keep up the good work. I look forward
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  Speaker 4: to around the golf me and you soon.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks guys, all right for you soon