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Unemployed Woman Wants Everyone To Die · THINK BEFORE YOU SLEEP

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  Speaker 1: So antinatalism, put as simply as I possibly can, is
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  Speaker 1: the belief that it is unethical to create new life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm what is called a sentiocentric antinatalist, which means that
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  Speaker 1: I'm for the non-existence of anything that has the possibility
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  Speaker 1: of feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Just to be clear, you mean that everything should die, right?
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  Speaker 1: My antinatalism would apply to not just humans, but to animals,
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  Speaker 1: to sentient machines, to anything that has... Dogs, cats, squirrels, frogs...
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  Speaker 1: The whole kit and caboodle. They should all go. They
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  Speaker 1: should all go, yeah. My concern is anything that has
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of saying, ouch. You know, if the trees
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden start winking at us and start screaming,
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  Speaker 1: then they would become my concern.
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  Speaker 2: What's this language being used? I think she's the last
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  Speaker 2: person who you would want showing concern towards something. You see,
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  Speaker 2: my antinatalism means that I want everything that's not a
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  Speaker 2: plant to die. Don't a lot of plants require bees
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  Speaker 2: or butterflies to pollinate them? Do the bees and the
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  Speaker 2: butterflies get to stay, or do those have to die
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  Speaker 2: out too? I'm not sure she's figured out the logistics
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  Speaker 2: of her mass extermination plan, but let's at least see
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  Speaker 2: why she wants all sentient life to cease existing. Why
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  Speaker 2: is it that you want animals that feel to be abolished?
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  Speaker 1: Because I believe that one of the greatest products of
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  Speaker 1: life is the production of suffering. There's all of this
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  Speaker 1: incredible amount of suffering.
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  Speaker 2: She's joking, right? That's like the motivation of a Final
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  Speaker 2: Fantasy villain. and I know she gets that reference. Ironically,
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  Speaker 2: I swear I saw a random video of her trying
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  Speaker 2: to distance herself from Hitler. So recently I went down
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  Speaker 2: a weird rabbit hole of antinatalism that would include streamers
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  Speaker 2: like NMP saying that it's okay that a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: kids died in a Texas flood because AI was going
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  Speaker 2: to ruin their future anyway.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have much to live for anyways. It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Classy. A very emotionally appropriate thing to say ten seconds
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  Speaker 2: after a tragedy happened. After seeing this clip, I found
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  Speaker 2: some abortion activism as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so pro-choice, I don't even think it's pro-choice anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pro-abortion. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Go get one. Everybody should get an abortion. Everybody should
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  Speaker 2: have one. Nobody should be pregnant. We should stop having kids.
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  Speaker 1: Stop having kids. Go get an abortion.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Why are you pregnant? And don't
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  Speaker 2: forget celebrities like Chelsea Handler bragging about how great it
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  Speaker 2: is to be in her late 40s childless with no family.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Hasan Piker and his whole fan club love
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  Speaker 2: that idea as well. So ideas against having children are
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  Speaker 2: frequently perpetuated by those in media who permanently want to
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  Speaker 2: live in their 20s, or by the mentally ill, and
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  Speaker 2: it really just kind of preys on younger people who
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  Speaker 2: are unfortunate enough to have listened, who then end up
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  Speaker 2: burning significant portions of their life on hedonistic activities, until
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  Speaker 2: they wake up in their 30s, decide they do want
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  Speaker 2: a family, and realize that they either don't have much
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  Speaker 2: time left or realize that it's too late. Somewhere in
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  Speaker 2: that is where people like Amanda come in. Amanda is
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  Speaker 2: one of the leading devout antinatalists on YouTube, who formerly
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  Speaker 2: was known for her Dragon Ball action figure collection and
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  Speaker 2: her cosplay videos. Well, that was terrifying. Wait, was that
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  Speaker 2: chocolate vegan? You wouldn't want to make cows suffer, would you?
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  Speaker 2: Amanda is also in her forties and of course is
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  Speaker 2: unemployed and probably lives with her parents.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do for work? Um, I'm unemployed at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Um, I, I am a caregiver. Uh, so
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a job. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you've been doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I've been doing. Yeah. For, for a long
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  Speaker 1: time now. And, um, and a lot of antinatalist activism.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's what I would say too if I was
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  Speaker 2: in your situation. You don't live with them, they live
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  Speaker 2: with you. And of course, she's an activist, because as
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  Speaker 2: a useless person, activism is a way for her to
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  Speaker 2: feel important, as Thomas Soule would say, along with noting
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  Speaker 2: that activists have a great reputation for actually harming the
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  Speaker 2: people they claim to help. And a part of that
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  Speaker 2: is that activists will almost always hide behind some sort
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  Speaker 2: of virtue or polite sentiment.
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  Speaker 1: I think that any amount that we can alleviate the
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  Speaker 1: harm that humans do is excellent. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: so long as life exists on the planet, we should
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  Speaker 1: try to make it as good as possible. You know,
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  Speaker 1: antinatalism is not saying, let's just give up and let
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  Speaker 1: everything go to absolute hell.
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  Speaker 2: You sound like you're giving up, and certainly everything would
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  Speaker 2: go to hell if the world was depopulated, but isn't
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  Speaker 2: this all wonderful? You see, she's an optimist who wants
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  Speaker 2: the best and is very calm and matter-of-fact about her
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  Speaker 2: desires to exterminate all humans.
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  Speaker 1: I would prefer that human beings decide collectively in a
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  Speaker 1: more benevolent fashion to end themselves in a much gentler
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  Speaker 1: way and also to take responsibility for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: life on this planet. Now, for us, that means just
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  Speaker 1: not procreating. You know, there's no need for any violence.
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  Speaker 1: There's no need for anything nasty.
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  Speaker 2: How is there a gentle way to do this? Assuming
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  Speaker 2: that tomorrow everyone decides to stop having children, who takes
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  Speaker 2: care of all the people who are physically dependent on others?
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  Speaker 2: Did you not say that you were a caretaker? Well,
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  Speaker 2: in your ideal future, if Grandma falls and can't get up,
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  Speaker 2: then she gets to stay on the floor until she
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  Speaker 2: starves because there won't be enough people around to help her.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention that because happiness and fulfillment is found
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  Speaker 2: in fostering good relationships with other people, How are the
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  Speaker 2: remaining survivors going to feel when everyone they know dies
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  Speaker 2: and there's no one around to connect with? That sounds
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  Speaker 2: like it would cause intense suffering. I don't think she
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  Speaker 2: gets how sadistic her fantasy sounds. Well, maybe she does,
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  Speaker 2: because I've gone down the rabbit hole far enough to
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  Speaker 2: see other stuff she said.
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  Speaker 1: In the interest of the end, if you could end
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  Speaker 1: suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable. Like, if I
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  Speaker 1: found out tomorrow that the only way that you could
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  Speaker 1: that sentient extinction could possibly happen was skinning all the
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  Speaker 1: living things alive slowly. I'd hate it. But I would
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  Speaker 1: say that it's what we have to do. And I
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  Speaker 1: also get that, like, human beings at least really don't
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  Speaker 1: deserve to be tucked into bed and kissed goodnight. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I get that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like we deserve to be tucked in or
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  Speaker 2: any humane treatment. And because some people are bad, everyone
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  Speaker 2: deserves to be tortured into nonexistence. Keep in mind that
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  Speaker 2: she's saying that these justifiable means should be happening to children, too.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we have guns in America, everyone. It's
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  Speaker 2: to protect ourselves from people with sick ideas like this
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  Speaker 2: because you never know if they're going to act on
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  Speaker 2: them or not. And let me be clear, this was
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  Speaker 2: the most YouTube-safe thing I could find her saying in
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  Speaker 2: her backlog. Her original channel was actually banned on YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: and she currently is bannivating. But at this point, I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious what she means by activism. I did see a
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  Speaker 2: talk where she happily speaks about being on an episode
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  Speaker 2: of Tosh. 0 from like 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You're transgender. I am. Born woman? Yes. Are you transitioning? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I sort of identify more as monster than
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  Speaker 1: male or female, really. So I'm pretty happy just being
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  Speaker 1: like kind of in the middle somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful. She's definitely a monster. I'll agree with that. Let's
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  Speaker 2: check out her Instagram. Here's Amanda holding up a sign
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  Speaker 2: that says, Normalize antinatalism, with no one around her. That's poetic.
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  Speaker 2: We are the most invasive and overpopulated species? Isn't being
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  Speaker 2: invasive a good thing? She said she wanted all sentient
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  Speaker 2: life to be gone, and if the humans are gone,
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  Speaker 2: then all the animals aren't going to stop reproducing, so
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  Speaker 2: we would have to get rid of all the animals first,
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  Speaker 2: if that's even possible, and then we would go second.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this kind of seems counterproductive to your whole
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  Speaker 2: goal of ending suffering. Apparently, she works with a group
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  Speaker 2: called Stop Having Kids, who also have an Instagram, with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of posts where people are on camera just
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  Speaker 2: disagreeing with them.
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  Speaker 1: I want to have some kids, man.
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  Speaker 2: I want some babies. I want a little me. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Why is that? Why? Because we're not.
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  Speaker 2: Going to live here forever, man. Why would you opt
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  Speaker 2: for biological children instead of adopting?
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  Speaker 1: Because I want somebody that look like me.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be like that ass of me right there.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is that important to you?
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Fuck the little people. I want my shit.
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  Speaker 2: Or there are videos of people making fun of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys want any condoms?
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  Speaker 2: I don't use them.
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  Speaker 1: Life's all about the risk, you know?
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  Speaker 2: The evil part in me hopes he has an unplanned
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy out of spite for the antinatalists. This stop having
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  Speaker 2: kids group also appears to be run by radical vegan
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  Speaker 2: activists who are even more radical than the typical vegan activists.
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  Speaker 2: because instead of telling people to not eat meat, they
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  Speaker 2: want all humans to die out to save the animals.
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  Speaker 2: When do we kill all humans? Now, if you think
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  Speaker 2: this is all confusing and contradictory to Amanda's goals, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's because it is, and it's because there are varying
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  Speaker 2: degrees of antinatalists, and they don't all agree with each
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  Speaker 2: other on who or what should be ended. Technically, this
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  Speaker 2: group is more peaceful than Amanda, because they only seem
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  Speaker 2: to want humans to die out. Stop Having Kids also
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  Speaker 2: does activism globally. Here's a picture of them in India.
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  Speaker 2: This kind of seems passive-aggressive and racist. but I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there are a bunch of people on Twitter who would
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  Speaker 2: have no problem helping you achieve this goal. Indira Gandhi
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  Speaker 2: would be proud too. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 2: some of these activist groups are paid by rich people
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  Speaker 2: to depopulate certain nations, because I guarantee you that this
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  Speaker 2: messaging only works in places that are super feminist. You'll
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  Speaker 2: never convince Muslims of this. Depopulation is antithetical to their beliefs,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure they would love you telling all their
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  Speaker 2: competition to stop having children. Here's another great sign. Women
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  Speaker 2: are not baby-making machines. And then the caption says, Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: these pregnancy centers outweigh abortion clinics. Yes, it's so unfortunate
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  Speaker 2: that there are organizations out there telling people to have families. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: is abortion vegan? Anyway, back to the original video, as
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  Speaker 2: Amanda wants to educate us on natural biology.
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  Speaker 1: The impetus to procreate is really culturally built. What we
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  Speaker 1: want is to have sex. We don't have an instinct
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  Speaker 1: to have children. We have a cultural sort of mandate
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of pressure put on us.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of women probably have a strong
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  Speaker 2: urge to have a child.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of women are culturally mandated to
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  Speaker 1: have that instinct. Boys become men and girls become procreators.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, nobody naturally wants kids. It's all a societal construct
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  Speaker 2: forced on us by the powers that be. Okay, we
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  Speaker 2: get it. You hate children, so you don't understand why
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  Speaker 2: anyone would have an interest in something like watching a
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  Speaker 2: kid grow up. It's all about sexual desire, and then oops,
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  Speaker 2: now you have an 18-year commitment. how terrible it is
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  Speaker 2: to have a family. Honestly though, after hearing about some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that got Amanda's original account banned off
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  Speaker 2: of YouTube, I think she's the last person who should
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  Speaker 2: be around kids, so maybe her choice to not reproduce
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  Speaker 2: is her gift to society. Though I love how the
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  Speaker 2: irony of this clip from a different interview was lost
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  Speaker 2: on her.
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  Speaker 1: I have had some interesting situations with other, like, fellow
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  Speaker 1: artists where they become very, very inspired by the subject
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  Speaker 1: of antinatalism. But at the same time, they are also
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  Speaker 1: struggling with being natalists and wanting children. And so I
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  Speaker 1: have had a couple of instances where, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: been some plan to make work around it together. But
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  Speaker 1: then they they go to the dark side. They have
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  Speaker 1: the kid anyway. So I've had that instance.
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  Speaker 2: The way she said that last part was kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: Did she like try to convince someone who wanted kids
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  Speaker 2: to get an abortion to fulfill her philosophical fetish? What
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  Speaker 2: the hell? That is super dark if that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: But if Amanda culturally conditioned them to not have kids
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  Speaker 2: and they ended up doing the opposite, how can she
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  Speaker 2: argue that there isn't at least some natural impulse to
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  Speaker 2: have children? I mean, especially in women who get close
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  Speaker 2: to 30. Aren't you the expert on this? Was all
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  Speaker 2: this in your college thesis?
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  Speaker 1: I spent two years of graduate school talking about nothing
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  Speaker 1: but antinatalism and ephelism. I mean, it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the ephelist was my graduate thesis.
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  Speaker 2: So you went to graduate school and you're unemployed living
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  Speaker 2: with your parents in your 40s. What have you been
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  Speaker 2: doing your entire life? Though imagine being in the same
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  Speaker 2: classroom or being Amanda's teacher and having to read a
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  Speaker 2: thesis on why everyone should be eliminated. These kinds of
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  Speaker 2: things really speak to how delusional the hardcore antinatalists are
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  Speaker 2: when they say stuff like this.
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  Speaker 1: And vehement is voluntary human extinctionists, as the name implies.
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  Speaker 1: They want humanity to go extinct so that the animals
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  Speaker 1: may inherit the earth. They are an environmentalist group. They
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  Speaker 1: believe that nature without humanity exists. will recover and be
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  Speaker 1: just fantastic and that the animals will be very, very,
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  Speaker 1: very happy. Look, I love so much of what Viamint does.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make that point perfectly clear because
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  Speaker 1: I think people sometimes believe that I don't, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe with their final conclusion, but everything else is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, her disagreement on the final conclusion is that she
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  Speaker 2: wants animals to be gone too, not just humans. But
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  Speaker 2: do these people have any idea how brutal nature is?
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  Speaker 2: Watch a bear eating a deer on the internet and
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  Speaker 2: tell me that's happy and peaceful. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 2: certainly far more ways to farm humanely, but don't pretend
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  Speaker 2: that nature is this blissful place.
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  Speaker 1: Human greed and laziness is going to undermine your efforts.
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  Speaker 1: It's not to say, I mean, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot that we can do to fix things on this planet.
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  Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And I think we should
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  Speaker 1: do as much of that as possible. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that we haven't shown any amount of success in combating
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  Speaker 1: things like greed.
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  Speaker 2: I can agree that greed can get out of control,
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  Speaker 2: but you have no idea how many good things were
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  Speaker 2: created because people were greedy for money, or because they
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to impress women so they could have a family.
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  Speaker 2: Without these drives, you wouldn't be speaking into a microphone
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  Speaker 2: while people watch your recorded video on the internet with
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  Speaker 2: their computers and their phones. Oh wait, the best part
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  Speaker 2: comes next.
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  Speaker 1: If somehow we could somehow eradicate human greed. and we
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  Speaker 1: all became very benevolent, would you still then be an Antonidas?
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  Speaker 1: If we could prove that, if, I mean, if we
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  Speaker 1: really showed signs of being able to do that, I
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  Speaker 1: would at least, I would, no, well, I mean, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I think humanity would at least have an argument that like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is, maybe this is something, there would at
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  Speaker 1: least be an argument. I don't think, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we're making much of an argument towards our continuation at
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  Speaker 1: this point.
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  Speaker 2: I love how she almost drops her world ending philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: if people were just nicer. Like, obviously this is more
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  Speaker 2: about her grievances with modern society and not about what
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  Speaker 2: the moral thing to do is. Later in the interview,
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  Speaker 2: she says that nature creates winners and losers and that's
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  Speaker 2: why things have to go. So basically she's mad that
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  Speaker 2: she's on the losing end because she wasted her life
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  Speaker 2: buying Dragon Ball figurines and talking about a philosophy that
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  Speaker 2: will never be adopted en masse.
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  Speaker 1: To create a new being. is to put that potential
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  Speaker 1: sentient being at great risk, at risk of poor quality
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  Speaker 1: of life. We do that without consent. Now, I know
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to say. It's impossible to get consent
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  Speaker 1: of a non-existent being, but that's part of the point.
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  Speaker 1: That's the nature of consent. If you can't get consent,
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  Speaker 1: then you don't take those risks, you don't impose that harm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, they didn't sign consent papers for being born!
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  Speaker 2: I love how consent matters here, but she didn't consider
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  Speaker 2: consent earlier when she was talking about her mass unaliving event,
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  Speaker 2: where every sentient creature gets brutally tortured. What a joke. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: what really pisses me off about people like Amanda is
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  Speaker 2: that some amount of people are going to listen to
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  Speaker 2: her or listen to people like her when they're depressed
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  Speaker 2: or things aren't going well for them, And instead of
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  Speaker 2: improving their lives and pushing past that depression, they just
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  Speaker 2: sit there stuck with whatever horrific ideology that found them first. Sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: it's a death cult. And let's be real, this antinatalist
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  Speaker 2: crap will never work. Barring some massive disaster, all humans
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  Speaker 2: and all animals will never die out. So what listening
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  Speaker 2: to rhetoric like this will actually end up doing is
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  Speaker 2: harm young people by convincing them to burn years of
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  Speaker 2: their life not working up to a family, and then
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  Speaker 2: by the time they snap out of saying things like,
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  Speaker 2: Women aren't baby-making machines. Well, holy shit, now you're at
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  Speaker 2: a significant disadvantage or worse. And it's not just the
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  Speaker 2: crazies like Amanda who promote this. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: with influence are telling everyone to not have kids. Like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a common narrative that will cause a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people to miss out on some of those valuable
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  Speaker 2: life experiences that you can get from having a family
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  Speaker 2: and from human connection. Of course, people like Amanda don't
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  Speaker 2: really understand the value of human connection because they're so
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  Speaker 2: annoying in their personal life that nobody wants to deal
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  Speaker 2: with them.
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  Speaker 1: I've never really kept my antinatalism or my ephelism or
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  Speaker 1: any other interest, you know, fun things that I'm involved
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  Speaker 1: in a secret. My antinatalism and all those ideas are
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: just a part of a long list of things that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: people sort of have had a problem or not had
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a problem with, where I'm concerned. I mean, I've always
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: been a lot for people to handle on one way
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  Speaker 1: or another. So it's people have kind of taken this
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  Speaker 1: no surprise that oh, there's another weird thing that, you know,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: she's interested in that we're gonna have to deal with, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what happens is that they team up
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  Speaker 2: with other people who are annoying, and that's how activists
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  Speaker 2: are born. But as a person who has watched Amanda's
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: story play out in real life, the saddest funeral that
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I've been to was for someone like Amanda, where not
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: only did the person die in a very depressing way,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: but it was the emptiest funeral that I've ever been to.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Nothing is sadder than a funeral that no one shows
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: up to because nobody actually liked you. The worst part, though,
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  Speaker 2: is that Amanda is trying to rob people of the
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: value of suffering. Suffering is what turns you into a
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  Speaker 2: real human being. Risk and suffering are what make life
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  Speaker 2: interesting and worth living. Those moments not only build character
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  Speaker 2: and gift people with emotions, but they also foster a
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  Speaker 2: strong appreciation for when times are good.
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  Speaker 1: Life throws curveballs at you sometimes. The only thing you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: can do is keep fighting. And to me, that's what
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I tell myself when I'm having bad days, is that
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  Speaker 1: it's a privilege even to be able to fight.
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  Speaker 2: And without suffering or hardship, you just become a fat,
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  Speaker 2: unemployed loser with a useless degree who is middle-aged and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: still dependent on her parents. Anyway, thanks for watching, follow
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  Speaker 2: me on Twitter, and I'll see you in the next video.