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Love and Rockets Book Club #77 - V2 #7 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Maria Pena: She's… Very well, good, Vivian.
• 0:04
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody! Welcome back to the Love and Rockets Book Club on 22 Panels. It's… it's been a minute, as… as Maria transitioned back to Australia, and
• 0:19
  Tad Eggleston: And we figured out which day and time was actually gonna work best, and hopefully this'll be it.
• 0:25
  Tad Eggleston: Friday night for Maricel and I, because it's not like we have lives. We don't go out on Friday nights. We're old.
• 0:32
  Marisol: Oh, no.
• 0:33
  Marisol: I'm gonna.
• 0:34
  Tad Eggleston: Maria gets to it Saturday morning, so it doesn't get into the way of any of her weekend plans.
• 0:39
  Maria Pena: Well, it's usually working, so it's not… I don't have a life either, so it's okay.
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: See, we're trying to pretend that you had a life, Maria, and then it was just us that…
• 0:51
  Maria Pena: Gotta talk you up.
• 0:53
  Maria Pena: Well, I do travel a lot, but I also work a lot, so… and…
• 1:00
  Marisol: Fair.
• 1:02
  Maria Pena: But 5AM on Monday was proving to be really inconvenient. Yeah, yeah, that's so exciting.
• 1:09
  Tad Eggleston: That's okay, that's okay. I mean, I just thought it was crazy early, and that's… that's fair, too.
• 1:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it was very early, but I think… I think that made it…
• 1:19
  Tad Eggleston: I figured you went out partying and dancing and stuff on Sunday night, and…
• 1:25
  Tad Eggleston: And the idea of getting up before noon on Monday was just ridiculous.
• 1:30
  Maria Pena: On Monday, gosh. I don't know.
• 1:33
  Marisol: Dave's.
• 1:34
  Maria Pena: No, I just… it's just not a… when you have a partner, it's just… and they're not very good sleepers, it's not a good idea to wake them up at 5 AM, you know.
• 1:43
  Marisol: Oh, no.
• 1:43
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, no, that's…
• 1:44
  Maria Pena: Sandy, really…
• 1:46
  Marisol: They're gonna be a little cranky.
• 1:47
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49
  Maria Pena: And, I just… I did it once, and it was like… Why is it so early?
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 1:58
  Maria Pena: No.
• 1:59
  Marisol: Am I? What day is it?
• 2:01
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely.
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: So, Lovin' Rockets Volume 2, Number 7?
• 2:07
  Tad Eggleston: Maggie and Frogmouth on the cover.
• 2:10
  Tad Eggleston: Jaime… Jaime signing the, the seatbelt?
• 2:16
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: I kinda like that.
• 2:19
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 2:20
  Maria Pena: Quality control, the seatbelt.
• 2:28
  Marisol: Oh.
• 2:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah, this, this was, I like the space at the top for the title and…
• 2:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's very nicely contrived.
• 2:43
  Marisol: I love the perspective of just…
• 2:45
  Marisol: Looking into the passenger side in the front of the car.
• 2:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 2:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 2:52
  Maria Pena: Yes, like, the front door is open, and you just…
• 2:56
  Maria Pena: camera there. Yeah, it's great.
• 3:02
  Maria Pena: Yes, so…
• 3:04
  Tad Eggleston: Void the cover.
• 3:05
  Maria Pena: What comes at the loop.
• 3:06
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 3:08
  Tad Eggleston: candy?
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: colored noir thriller? I don't remember The Wipeout. Did you read The Wipeout?
• 3:17
  Maria Pena: No, not at all.
• 3:19
  Maria Pena: Never.
• 3:21
  Marisol: This is…
• 3:21
  Maria Pena: Hey dads on that.
• 3:23
  Tad Eggleston: And then comes Maggie and Frogmouth making out, and .
• 3:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: So they go from looking at each other on the cover to making out, and now he's signing the dashboard.
• 3:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah, with a lovely… very calligraphic.
• 3:41
  Maria Pena: Anyway, so we didn't really see how they started doing this. Is it just a… I mean, we know that,
• 3:50
  Maria Pena: Vivian was after Maggie, sort of.
• 3:53
  Tad Eggleston: Well, we also know that they had to… they had to go back to Hoppers, because Izzy took the thing…
• 3:59
  Tad Eggleston: That Viv had stolen from Sid.
• 4:02
  Maria Pena: Yeah But somewhere in the middle there, Vivian, I think, jumped. Bolk art thing.
• 4:10
  Marisol: Yep.
• 4:11
  Maria Pena: She decided to start kissing Maggie, and Maggie's like, okay.
• 4:16
  Tad Eggleston: Meow, meow.
• 4:19
  Marisol: And Vivian's just like, okay, I see the appeal, I like this, let's keep doing this.
• 4:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:26
  Maria Pena: So, this was one of those, creepy Jaime stories, because.
• 4:32
  Maria Pena: Easy, isn't it?
• 4:34
  Maria Pena: Whenever easy, it becomes like the devil, and fucking… I mean, it's…
• 4:39
  Tad Eggleston: Izzy, Izzy is definitely a, a character and a half.
• 4:44
  Marisol: I mean…
• 4:45
  Maria Pena: So…
• 4:46
  Marisol: I… I…
• 4:48
  Marisol: My favorite panel, I think, Ted, if you go, Ted, if you go to the page before…
• 4:52
  Marisol: Where you just see Izzy's abdomen from the window, and she's just standing there.
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: Scars and shit.
• 5:02
  Maria Pena: I'm just…
• 5:03
  Marisol: Good Lord.
• 5:03
  Tad Eggleston: See, I think I like this one where she's on the roof and just silhouetted.
• 5:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah, he's become, like, a presence, like a demonic fucking presence. Well, I think it's more…
• 5:15
  Marisol: crypto.
• 5:15
  Maria Pena: They said that… there's a demonic presence that accompanies Izzy, and it's just… Is he the cryptocurren Maggie.
• 5:24
  Maria Pena: Fuck. And then it just pops up at the…
• 5:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, church, yeah.
• 5:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah, the church was really creepy, too.
• 5:33
  Tad Eggleston: And did she bring a cactus with her?
• 5:36
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 5:37
  Maria Pena: I was wondering about that, reading that.
• 5:39
  Marisol: Plant out on a walk?
• 5:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's just a complaint.
• 5:42
  Maria Pena: Probably.
• 5:45
  Tad Eggleston: Lucky, but, no.
• 5:48
  Maria Pena: Not surprising, really. I mean, it's easy.
• 5:51
  Marisol: dizzy, so…
• 5:53
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 5:54
  Maria Pena: I mean, this is a beautifully drawn… I mean, I just love this story. I mean, the… there's so many panels in this, I was just like, oh, that's a favorite panel, oh, that's a favorite panel.
• 6:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:07
  Maria Pena: Amazing.
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: I like Maggie's car, too.
• 6:10
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 6:11
  Marisol: Oh, yeah!
• 6:11
  Maria Pena: A little, little Dudson or something.
• 6:14
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 6:15
  Marisol: Little… looks like a little beetle, but I don't know.
• 6:18
  Tad Eggleston: Not quite.
• 6:18
  Maria Pena: No.
• 6:19
  Marisol: I know, cars.
• 6:20
  Tad Eggleston: There was an era in the 80s where there were a number of cars that had a similar shape.
• 6:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah, like, Dudson's, and Nissans, and… Yeah, masters, things like that.
• 6:34
  Marisol: I learned something today.
• 6:37
  Maria Pena: Don't worry, little one, young one.
• 6:41
  Maria Pena: They see… oh, and they see with the… Shadow is alive.
• 6:46
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 6:49
  Maria Pena: She comes… she's very cranky, you see, at the moment.
• 6:54
  Maria Pena: Like, her face is just like…
• 6:56
  Maria Pena: She used to be always, like, catatonic, and now she's, like, cranky.
• 7:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:03
  Marisol: This is one of those things where, like, the whole…
• 7:06
  Marisol: shadow presence in Izzy's house, and it's, I guess, talking back to her?
• 7:12
  Marisol: it makes me.
• 7:13
  Maria Pena: I wonder.
• 7:14
  Marisol: Is this really some kind of spooky, shadowy, supernatural force? Or is this just Izzy's brain messing with her?
• 7:24
  Maria Pena: Well, it could be, it could be in his brain very easily, or, I mean, we don't know, but, but it, you know, like, you can take it either way, I think.
• 7:34
  Maria Pena: It's kind of creepy to think of it as a supernatural force.
• 7:39
  Maria Pena: It's kind of like, oh, you know, like, it's got that… it makes me feel like when I, you know, when I watch things like The Exorcist, it makes you feel that.
• 7:47
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 7:47
  Maria Pena: But I mean…
• 7:49
  Marisol: It wouldn't be the first time we've seen, spooky, supernatural-type stuff.
• 7:54
  Marisol: And loving.
• 7:55
  Maria Pena: Oh, no.
• 7:56
  Maria Pena: Certainly not.
• 7:58
  Tad Eggleston: the first…
• 7:58
  Maria Pena: I'm with you.
• 7:59
  Tad Eggleston: Easy.
• 8:00
  Maria Pena: I mean, he's.
• 8:00
  Marisol: No.
• 8:00
  Maria Pena: surrounded, you know, remember when she went to Mexico and the devil, you know.
• 8:05
  Maria Pena: Remember? Like, there was some… some devil with you.
• 8:09
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and, and…
• 8:11
  Maria Pena: We've.
• 8:11
  Tad Eggleston: The throwback to it, with the… with the flyswatter.
• 8:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 8:16
  Tad Eggleston: Lies on the ceiling, baby.
• 8:19
  Maria Pena: Yep, yep.
• 8:20
  Maria Pena: And they're there, that flies, you know, in the background there.
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: Also, I love… she's slamming the door.
• 8:29
  Tad Eggleston: I guess she's slamming it closed, but it's like…
• 8:33
  Maria Pena: It's kind of white center.
• 8:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
• 8:37
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 8:39
  Maria Pena: Because if.
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: At first, I thought she was slamming it open, and I'm like, that's a weird way to slam it open. I'm like, no, it's slam closed, it's just…
• 8:48
  Maria Pena: a security mesh store or something, I think it's.
• 8:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, something like that. It's a screen door.
• 8:53
  Maria Pena: Screen, screen door.
• 8:54
  Tad Eggleston: slabs.
• 8:57
  Maria Pena: They're usually on the outside, but anyway.
• 9:00
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you're right.
• 9:01
  Maria Pena: Oh, right, dude.
• 9:02
  Tad Eggleston: Who else?
• 9:02
  Maria Pena: I do.
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no, you're, you're, you're, you're right!
• 9:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, so it probably is just, like, one of those full glass door…
• 9:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:14
  Marisol: And then…
• 9:15
  Maria Pena: It's probably a security screen door.
• 9:17
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 9:17
  Maria Pena: The other side of it, yeah.
• 9:23
  Maria Pena: I do love scenes.
• 9:25
  Marisol: The figurines there, right on the table?
• 9:29
  Marisol: I can't remember what the.
• 9:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:30
  Marisol: thing looked like.
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: Not like any of those, I don't think.
• 9:36
  Maria Pena: Although she did pick it up.
• 9:38
  Maria Pena: Did they pick one of them up?
• 9:41
  Tad Eggleston: I do also love her face when the shadow talks back.
• 9:46
  Maria Pena: Yay.
• 9:47
  Maria Pena: And it's… and it's kind of enveloping her, you see, it's… it's got her… the arm…
• 9:53
  Marisol: You weren't supposed to do that.
• 9:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, no, it's fucking creepy.
• 10:00
  Maria Pena: And then, and then we have a light moment there with…
• 10:08
  Tad Eggleston: Is he wearing?
• 10:09
  Maria Pena: Maggie, and…
• 10:09
  Tad Eggleston: Frogmouth went and got beat up.
• 10:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she does this.
• 10:16
  Marisol: Any other issues she's in.
• 10:19
  Marisol: If not every single issue. Somebody's hitting her.
• 10:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, oh my god, here we go, okay.
• 10:26
  Tad Eggleston: And then me for the unknown made no sense to me, this issue.
• 10:30
  Tad Eggleston: I don't even know.
• 10:30
  Maria Pena: No, I think…
• 10:31
  Marisol: When was the last…
• 10:32
  Maria Pena: One of the…
• 10:32
  Marisol: I've had one of these.
• 10:34
  Maria Pena: Yeah, alright.
• 10:35
  Tad Eggleston: Well, this is part 7 of 9, and this is issue 7, so I feel like we've had one every issue.
• 10:42
  Tad Eggleston: Really? Yeah.
• 10:44
  Maria Pena: It needs to be read all at once, because there's too many details. It's very dense.
• 10:49
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 10:50
  Maria Pena: Like, all I know is the old man with the servant, the kid who's lost, and the mother, oh, and the husband who's…
• 10:58
  Maria Pena: Who's, you know, lost with his fucking satchel, but what…
• 11:03
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 11:04
  Maria Pena: It all fits into, it's like.
• 11:06
  Maria Pena: sort of a bit… it gets a bit confusing in my mind.
• 11:11
  Marisol: I just want to know what's in the satchel already.
• 11:15
  Maria Pena: Y… Didn't they say? I'm sure they said. Maybe not.
• 11:21
  Marisol: I didn't think so.
• 11:23
  Maria Pena: Some kind of documents that are gonna do something, but we don't.
• 11:28
  Maria Pena: I think we need a bit of reinforcement of the stakes of these documents, because it just…
• 11:34
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 11:34
  Maria Pena: It's like, at this point, it's like, I don't know, you know…
• 11:38
  Marisol: Oh, I.
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: No, I think…
• 11:39
  Marisol: They're supposedly very important.
• 11:42
  Tad Eggleston: I think that it suffers from the fact that it's always sandwiched by
• 11:48
  Tad Eggleston: Maggie and Hopi and Lupa and her family.
• 11:52
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 11:53
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I think if you read it all in one hit, maybe it would be a lot easier to understand.
• 11:59
  Marisol: A little more cohesive.
• 12:02
  Tad Eggleston: Which makes it, like, the story that doesn't stick with you on any given issue.
• 12:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:10
  Maria Pena: It's because there's too many names, too many places.
• 12:14
  Maria Pena: there's the company, there's the old man, and there's the guy who's the… I thought the old man was the boss, but no, it's not, because there's that other…
• 12:21
  Maria Pena: guy who's being asked to make decisions, so anyway…
• 12:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, maybe it's one of those that you have to kind of grab the collected
• 12:30
  Maria Pena: Issue and read the whole thing, and then maybe it'll be more satisfying.
• 12:36
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 12:39
  Marisol: And then we get a flashback.
• 12:42
  Marisol: Huh.
• 12:43
  Marisol: is history.
• 12:44
  Maria Pena: Great.
• 12:45
  Marisol: and meeting… her husband.
• 12:50
  Maria Pena: Yes, who is a little bit too old for her.
• 12:55
  Maria Pena: I think she's, like.
• 12:56
  Tad Eggleston: You gotta love that she goes straight from…
• 13:00
  Tad Eggleston: From doing her thing to putting on the top that says hands-off.
• 13:06
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 13:10
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 13:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 13:13
  Marisol: She's got layers.
• 13:15
  Marisol: She contains multitudes.
• 13:18
  Maria Pena: She does.
• 13:19
  Tad Eggleston: She does.
• 13:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so the fruit's always,
• 13:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, she's got her thing for Scott.
• 13:31
  Maria Pena: Blabby little scot.
• 13:35
  Maria Pena: And she's sort of annoyed that someone thought that she didn't like fat guys, so she's like, I don't know.
• 13:41
  Maria Pena: Fuck this fat guy.
• 13:42
  Maria Pena: to prove it. I don't know if that was the point, but…
• 13:47
  Tad Eggleston: And is that…
• 13:48
  Marisol: eat alive.
• 13:48
  Tad Eggleston: Orphan Annie at her wedding.
• 13:51
  Maria Pena: It looks like it, doesn't it?
• 13:56
  Marisol: No, this isn't… that isn't the wedding ring.
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: No, the wedding's not till the last panel, it's setting up
• 14:02
  Tad Eggleston: What are they setting up for?
• 14:04
  Marisol: For this guy's speech.
• 14:06
  Maria Pena: For the motivational… for the…
• 14:09
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 14:09
  Maria Pena: activational speech.
• 14:10
  Marisol: It's gonna give…
• 14:11
  Maria Pena: No motivational speech, and it's just sitting up there.
• 14:15
  Maria Pena: So, they seem to have a very, good marriage, they're, you know, having fun sex, and…
• 14:21
  Maria Pena: She's… she's a… I said… And then we… Oh, yeah.
• 14:27
  Tad Eggleston: This is also where she gets into the guns.
• 14:30
  Marisol: Yep.
• 14:32
  Maria Pena: Well, before, it must have been before.
• 14:38
  Maria Pena: No, she got into the guns because of the cops.
• 14:41
  Tad Eggleston: War, too.
• 14:42
  Maria Pena: Remember that cop when she.
• 14:43
  Tad Eggleston: That's right.
• 14:44
  Maria Pena: and…
• 14:44
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 14:45
  Maria Pena: I'm mute.
• 14:45
  Tad Eggleston: Most people prefer a cigarette or a sandwich after lovemaking fritz.
• 14:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:52
  Maria Pena: And then we have, Nancy…
• 14:54
  Maria Pena: and Sluggo, exhibition, and we…
• 14:57
  Maria Pena: And he overtly says, this is where I got the name.
• 15:02
  Maria Pena: From Fritz, Fritz.
• 15:05
  Maria Pena: Well, and… Has he revealed that before this? I don't know that he has.
• 15:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I didn't realize that that's where Fritz came from.
• 15:14
  Tad Eggleston: But it makes sense.
• 15:16
  Marisol: I don't…
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: Nancy's Aunt Fritz.
• 15:20
  Marisol: Knew that till now.
• 15:25
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I just meant in general, I'd never realized that.
• 15:28
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay. I sort of… I saw… I saw something about Fritz, the Nancy character, a while ago, and I went, oh…
• 15:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:39
  Maria Pena: Of course, you know, he obviously had a thing for her when he was a kid, right? Like, you know, you get crushes on characters and stuff.
• 15:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah, obviously, thought…
• 15:53
  Maria Pena: And so, you see his psyche gonna, you know… and oh, and Petra's really, big in this, she's quite…
• 16:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this is before her reduction.
• 16:06
  Maria Pena: But it's not just her boobs, it's like…
• 16:09
  Tad Eggleston: But, yeah.
• 16:10
  Tad Eggleston: It's before she became a workout freak, too.
• 16:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:14
  Maria Pena: Because even, you know, in her face, everything's chilly. So who's.
• 16:19
  Marisol: She's a little more rounder.
• 16:22
  Maria Pena: Do we… I can't recall who Joel Meyer is.
• 16:27
  Tad Eggleston: No idea.
• 16:30
  Tad Eggleston: Isn't it the… isn't it just, like, the guy that she's got a crush on in high school?
• 16:36
  Maria Pena: I don't know.
• 16:38
  Maria Pena: Hmm, I think so.
• 16:40
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like… I feel like it might have been the guy that she was trying to date, and then…
• 16:44
  Tad Eggleston: Fritz gave a blowjob to last issue.
• 16:48
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 16:49
  Marisol: Mmm…
• 16:51
  Maria Pena: Alright.
• 16:53
  Maria Pena: Have a look at the last issue.
• 16:54
  Marisol: B.
• 16:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so that's… she's still with her husband, who looks a lot like Sergio, I might add.
• 17:10
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 17:12
  Maria Pena: So they're singing, they're happy… Thinging.
• 17:15
  Marisol: Terribly.
• 17:16
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 17:17
  Marisol: The word bubbles.
• 17:18
  Maria Pena: Do you think?
• 17:18
  Marisol: go by.
• 17:19
  Maria Pena: Well, she sings terribly, and then he… They both do. …helps her up.
• 17:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I think, I think it improved with him.
• 17:28
  Maria Pena: And then, and it looks a little bit like Rand Race, too.
• 17:36
  Marisol: A little bit.
• 17:38
  Maria Pena: And then they're having dinner.
• 17:39
  Marisol: about rendering.
• 17:40
  Maria Pena: syrup.
• 17:40
  Marisol: minute.
• 17:44
  Maria Pena: And they're having a dinner at this Chinese restaurant, I think he just kind of…
• 17:48
  Maria Pena: has an orgasm, just looking at her. Is that what that is? Oh, and I wanted to mention…
• 17:56
  Maria Pena: That, this is a, an instance where the 180 degree rule Would have been helpful.
• 18:05
  Maria Pena: To… to tell this story, so… so you know how they're in that wide angle there, they're seated, she's on the left, he's on the right. And then we cut to him, and the camera has moved to the other side of the line.
• 18:19
  Maria Pena: And now it looks like he's.
• 18:20
  Marisol: Oh.
• 18:21
  Maria Pena: opposite in the same side, it's kind of confusing. If… if we flip that to the other side, and with him looking
• 18:29
  Maria Pena: Right to left.
• 18:31
  Maria Pena: And same in the one underneath.
• 18:34
  Maria Pena: That would make more sense to me visually.
• 18:36
  Maria Pena: Because we'd be cutting into… Do you underst… have you ever heard of the 180.
• 18:42
  Tad Eggleston: No, I have, but I kinda… I kinda like…
• 18:47
  Tad Eggleston: I kinda like the fact that it feels like they're not looking at each other.
• 18:53
  Maria Pena: No, no, but it's not that… well, yes, to me, it felt like it had cut to a different time and place.
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: No, I understand, I understand.
• 19:04
  Maria Pena: So, it's like it's a memory.
• 19:07
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 19:08
  Maria Pena: that he's having, separate, so he completely cut it off from that scene, whereas if it was… I don't know what the… I think the intention was that it's all happening, and they're just… the camera's just getting closer and closer to him. But when the.
• 19:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't think he's listening to her, though. She's talking about guns, and I think.
• 19:26
  Marisol: Excasing.
• 19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Knowing her and thinking about something else.
• 19:29
  Maria Pena: Well, I think it's… he's thinking about her physical beauty, and he… I think he…
• 19:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's.
• 19:37
  Maria Pena: I'll get some, but…
• 19:39
  Maria Pena: But, anyway, I just wanted to say that that actually bothered me when I looked.
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Maria Pena: I went, oh, what the f- is this a different day, you know?
• 19:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 19:51
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it is Julio's day.
• 19:53
  Maria Pena: It is a different day.
• 19:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so… So, this is not in Mexico, where is it?
• 20:04
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's always raining wherever Julio is.
• 20:08
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: And we only get a page of Julio this time.
• 20:14
  Marisol: We don't ever get, like, a location for where he's actually at, do we?
• 20:19
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think so… well…
• 20:20
  Maria Pena: No, but you'd think it was Mexico, but… but the guy is saying to the mother, mama, you have.
• 20:25
  Tad Eggleston: to go stay with your family in Mexico, so…
• 20:28
  Maria Pena: It's like, so they're not in Mexico.
• 20:34
  Maria Pena: So maybe they're in Texas or somewhere, who knows?
• 20:42
  Maria Pena: Yes, and this country to the devil. Yeah, so it's the Great Depression.
• 20:50
  Tad Eggleston: Since the stock market isn't ruin, they said it'll send the.
• 20:53
  Marisol: country.
• 20:53
  Tad Eggleston: the devil, so maybe they are in the United States.
• 20:58
  Maria Pena: They said men are jumping out of buildings, men are crying, strong men are crying.
• 21:03
  Maria Pena: Roman. Hmm.
• 21:05
  Maria Pena: I think, this, well, the…
• 21:09
  Maria Pena: 2003, that was way after the…
• 21:14
  Maria Pena: Oh, there was a funny letter in this.
• 21:17
  Maria Pena: Where this guy was saying, oh, you know, when you do a ward balloon with little… with,
• 21:25
  Maria Pena: What did he say with, interrupted line.
• 21:31
  Maria Pena: You know, for whispering, you know how that's a convention for whispering?
• 21:36
  Maria Pena: But this guy didn't know, he was like, oh, you know, Dan Klaus did it in his comic, and they're copying you, and all this stuff, and Jaime got his… he's like, no, actually, there's an old-timer's…
• 21:48
  Maria Pena: convention of word balloons to indicate whispering, but I know what you're saying. And I thought, oh, poor summer child.
• 21:58
  Maria Pena: you know, like, it's a language, you know, I mean… Right.
• 22:04
  Maria Pena: he put these patterns around… he put these patterns around a word bubble in a damn pussy story. He did the same thing with your word bubbles in some early 11 rockets. Then Adrian Tomin did the same with word bubbles in optic nerve.
• 22:19
  Maria Pena: I just think it's interesting, because it seems a way that they pay homage to your work. No, actually.
• 22:26
  Maria Pena: You're just…
• 22:27
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they might be.
• 22:30
  Maria Pena: No, it…
• 22:30
  Tad Eggleston: Jaime's also…
• 22:33
  Maria Pena: Heim is very well versed in the comic book language, let's say. I guess… I guess those other guys might not have been, but I doubt it. I mean, anybody who makes.
• 22:42
  Tad Eggleston: They're, they're pretty versed, too.
• 22:45
  Maria Pena: Free burst.
• 22:47
  Maria Pena: So I think just the reader wasn't…
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: This is an interesting back cover, too.
• 22:53
  Maria Pena: And that's Fritz, because we know she's…
• 22:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Marisol: Yes.
• 22:57
  Maria Pena: Moon White.
• 22:59
  Marisol: Yes.
• 23:00
  Marisol: Ghostly bites.
• 23:01
  Maria Pena: and…
• 23:01
  Marisol: And… and naked on a mountain, for some reason?
• 23:06
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… It spritz.
• 23:13
  Maria Pena: Hmm, that's.
• 23:13
  Marisol: Fair.
• 23:14
  Marisol: That's all the explanation needed.
• 23:18
  Maria Pena: That's all you need to know.
• 23:22
  Maria Pena: And now, the light is…
• 23:24
  Tad Eggleston: Totally dug the light of Venus.
• 23:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah, well, it was a bit of a, it was a bit of a…
• 23:32
  Maria Pena: a journey for Venus in this one, because she's, like, she's a bit adrift.
• 23:39
  Maria Pena: And she's like, I got too many things that I'm interested in, too many, kind of.
• 23:47
  Maria Pena: talents, or whatever, like, what do I do?
• 23:51
  Maria Pena: And she sort of works out that everybody is playing a role.
• 23:56
  Maria Pena: When they're, you know, in their daily life, they all play a role, they all act differently.
• 24:03
  Maria Pena: And then she's in the glamorous life, and she's sort of like…
• 24:09
  Maria Pena: everybody's got an interesting life, I guess, and everybody's writing a book about their life, and… And then she's…
• 24:17
  Tad Eggleston: Picture's the one that I like the most.
• 24:20
  Maria Pena: And then she's a director, so before… in the one before, she was saying, I can't draw, I can't act.
• 24:27
  Maria Pena: But I want to… and I can't write, but I… I want to tell stories, and that… that…
• 24:31
  Maria Pena: You know, she becomes a film director, which is perfect.
• 24:37
  Maria Pena: You know, because she…
• 24:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I love the big picture.
• 24:43
  Tad Eggleston: Her with her camcorder.
• 24:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah, he's dressed like a little director from the 1920s.
• 24:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Marisol: So cute.
• 24:53
  Maria Pena: Oh, it's so funny that she thinks Fritz's boobs are too distracting.
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Maria Pena: That's attention.
• 25:00
  Tad Eggleston: Paper-mache rock keeps blowing all over the place.
• 25:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Maria Pena: And Petra gets a crick in the back, and… because she picks up the wrong… it's too realistic, that rock. She picks up a real rock.
• 25:20
  Maria Pena: That was weird.
• 25:21
  Tad Eggleston: when she decides to switch their costumes, because Fritz's boyfriend doesn't say his lines well enough. She's like, all the speaking parts go to you.
• 25:33
  Marisol: There you go.
• 25:35
  Marisol: That'll solve it.
• 25:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and everybody's just having accident after accident.
• 25:43
  Tad Eggleston: Nope.
• 25:46
  Tad Eggleston: Suddenly, Petra's okay when Fritz is hurt.
• 25:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah, because she thinks that Fritz is just taking all the attention.
• 25:58
  Maria Pena: And then they send the boyfriend to pick up the rock, and he gets all caught up in crap, and then Petra goes running after it, and she lifts it up in front of a busload of kids.
• 26:11
  Maria Pena: And they all think she's an actual superhero.
• 26:14
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 26:15
  Maria Pena: She throws it, and I was like, wow, you know?
• 26:20
  Marisol: I mean, wouldn't you if you were a kid and you saw a muscular woman lifting what you thought was a big ol' boulder?
• 26:26
  Maria Pena: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they're all like…
• 26:30
  Maria Pena: So in the end, the movie turned out really well.
• 26:39
  Maria Pena: And she's… and we go back to her, like, she's finding her path, I guess, as a film director.
• 26:48
  Maria Pena: So that's pretty cool. I love that.
• 26:51
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the Kirby crackle going on, too.
• 26:55
  Maria Pena: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
• 26:56
  Tad Eggleston: Both at the end here and back at the beginning.
• 27:00
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 27:03
  Tad Eggleston: You know, they're such students of comics.
• 27:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 27:10
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's good stuff.
• 27:14
  Marisol: I swear I learn new comic terms every time we do one of these.
• 27:21
  Maria Pena: It's good.
• 27:25
  Tad Eggleston: I love Venus's look. Oh, sure, Mom, showing off the big ol' giant muscles. Any chance you get.
• 27:34
  Maria Pena: And then it's funny, because Petra tells her, we'll be seeing what you inherited from me in a couple of years, because, you know, she's gonna grow up, and she might get huge boobs.
• 27:44
  Maria Pena: Or muscles, or who knows?
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: Until then, enjoy your girlish figure.
• 27:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Marisol: pieces.
• 27:52
  Marisol: I need to give the kid a complex.
• 27:55
  Maria Pena: She's not going to want to grow up at that rate.
• 27:59
  Maria Pena: I mean…
• 28:00
  Marisol: Exactly.
• 28:01
  Maria Pena: You could do worse than looking like.
• 28:05
  Maria Pena: Excellent.
• 28:05
  Marisol: This is true.
• 28:06
  Maria Pena: Oops.
• 28:08
  Maria Pena: There we go, there's Lula.
• 28:12
  Tad Eggleston: Bowtie guy.
• 28:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Maria Pena: Is he meant to be anybody in particular? I mean, he.
• 28:19
  Tad Eggleston: Nobody knows.
• 28:19
  Maria Pena: Look.
• 28:21
  Maria Pena: The 1950s.
• 28:25
  Maria Pena: Someone…
• 28:26
  Marisol: I don't think so.
• 28:27
  Maria Pena: Oh, I don't know, I just thought.
• 28:29
  Maria Pena: to be anybody.
• 28:30
  Marisol: Just generic bowtie Man.
• 28:36
  Marisol: I didn't think he was supposed to represent somebody specific.
• 28:40
  Maria Pena: No, but he looks kind of like, like he could be in the nation of Islam or something, you know what I mean?
• 28:46
  Maria Pena: Like, you know.
• 28:47
  Maria Pena: 50s, Malcolm X kind of dude.
• 28:51
  Marisol: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:54
  Maria Pena: Zoom.
• 28:55
  Marisol: I getcha.
• 29:00
  Maria Pena: No, that was… It was cute.
• 29:04
  Maria Pena: So he's talking about coming out, I think.
• 29:07
  Tad Eggleston: You know what?
• 29:09
  Tad Eggleston: I think that this is it.
• 29:12
  Maria Pena: What's that?
• 29:15
  Tad Eggleston: There's, one… prominent civil rights leader that was also gay.
• 29:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't.
• 29:26
  Tad Eggleston: Baynard, or Bayard Rustin?
• 29:30
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, right, I've heard that now.
• 29:32
  Tad Eggleston: And he's got a similar mustache and glasses.
• 29:36
  Tad Eggleston: Feels like at least…
• 29:39
  Tad Eggleston: Some of the pictures I'm finding of him, he's in a bow tie. Not all of them.
• 29:45
  Maria Pena: There you go.
• 29:47
  Maria Pena: I just sort of… just looks like it was too numb random, in a way.
• 29:52
  Tad Eggleston: It definitely kind of has that feel.
• 29:56
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 29:58
  Tad Eggleston: I guess most of these are…
• 30:00
  Tad Eggleston: Other than one where he's winning an award.
• 30:04
  Tad Eggleston: Most of these are tie-ties, but here, let me… let me share this…
• 30:09
  Maria Pena: Alright.
• 30:11
  Maria Pena: Oh, yes, that…
• 30:13
  Tad Eggleston: Screen.
• 30:14
  Maria Pena: he was,
• 30:16
  Maria Pena: friend of Martin Luther King. There was… there is a Netflix movie that they… I saw recently.
• 30:23
  Tad Eggleston: I think recently, yeah.
• 30:24
  Maria Pena: Miss… Yeah.
• 30:30
  Maria Pena: payer crust.
• 30:31
  Tad Eggleston: But doesn't it kinda have that feel?
• 30:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does.
• 30:41
  Marisol: Oh, I see it.
• 30:42
  Marisol: Yeah, you're right!
• 30:48
  Tad Eggleston: And particularly because they're, they're talking about living… Living as you.
• 31:01
  Tad Eggleston: I've found that my own people, my own people, disapprove of what progress I want to make.
• 31:09
  Tad Eggleston: Which is part of… part of what he had to deal with was that…
• 31:14
  Maria Pena: Oh, the Civil Rights Movement didn't want him to be the face of…
• 31:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they didn't want him to be gay.
• 31:21
  Tad Eggleston: Completely okay to fight for his rights as a black man, but not as a gay man.
• 31:26
  Marisol: But not as a gay black man.
• 31:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 31:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah. That's messed up. That's right.
• 31:32
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 31:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that was a really good story, that…
• 31:42
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, that's my guess, and a question to sock aside for the next time.
• 31:50
  Tad Eggleston: Beto joins us.
• 31:54
  Marisol: Oh, good thinking, yeah.
• 31:57
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 31:57
  Marisol: Confirm that that was the inspiration.
• 32:01
  Marisol: Or an homage to… to him.
• 32:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah, certainly, or some… or someone like him. Yeah, it… it could be, yeah. It feels…
• 32:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it just, it has that feel.
• 32:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:18
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I definitely feel like that's what they're talking about.
• 32:23
  Tad Eggleston: Or talking around?
• 32:29
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 32:33
  Marisol: Yeah, I mean, it would make sense for the time they're in, wouldn't it?
• 32:38
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… I think that's a big topic of discussion. But I think… I think it might have been roughly then that it started becoming
• 32:46
  Tad Eggleston: better known that he was gay. I mean, it was.
• 32:49
  Marisol: something, though.
• 32:50
  Tad Eggleston: was… kept under wraps.
• 32:57
  Marisol: Oh.
• 32:58
  Tad Eggleston: I believe.
• 32:59
  Maria Pena: Yeah, look, I don't think it's meant to be him, per se, but it's…
• 33:05
  Maria Pena: it is based… probably based on some… on him, because I think these stories are probably in the present time.
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 33:15
  Maria Pena: You know, of… Off of this, like, in the… Early 2000s, though.
• 33:22
  Marisol: Oh, gotcha.
• 33:25
  Maria Pena: Right? Like, they…
• 33:26
  Marisol: I think that would make sense.
• 33:27
  Maria Pena: If it was a… if it was in Luba's youth, or whatever, or in Maria's time, then you'd be like, oh yeah, you know.
• 33:34
  Maria Pena: Because that was the 50s.
• 33:40
  Maria Pena: I think we're in at least the, the 80s here, or 90s.
• 33:47
  Maria Pena: 90s.
• 33:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Maria Pena: But, I think it's just, like,
• 33:56
  Maria Pena: Definitely based on something.
• 33:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but he didn't engage in gay rights activism until the 80s.
• 34:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 34:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 34:11
  Maria Pena: Well, then maybe it is him, although he would have been quite old by then.
• 34:15
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, it would have been 15 years before… before this came out, but it was…
• 34:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 34:31
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, so… Looks like something… Was written about him in 2003.
• 34:40
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 34:44
  Maria Pena: Well, I'm sure it's… if it's a homage, an homage, or…
• 34:49
  Tad Eggleston: Meh.
• 34:50
  Tad Eggleston: Who knows?
• 34:53
  Maria Pena: Alright.
• 34:55
  Marisol: Nice.
• 34:58
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 34:59
  Maria Pena: So, are we…
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: The collected writings of Bayard Reston came out in 2003.
• 35:07
  Tad Eggleston: Time on.
• 35:08
  Maria Pena: Maybe Beto.
• 35:11
  Maria Pena: Maybe Beto read it?
• 35:13
  Maria Pena: And, got some inspiration.
• 35:21
  Marisol: That'd be awesome, if you did.
• 35:23
  Maria Pena: Meh.
• 35:32
  Marisol: I do like the back cover of this issue a lot, though.
• 35:41
  Maria Pena: What does that look like?
• 35:43
  Marisol: That I'm all in color.
• 35:47
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 35:49
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, cool, yeah.
• 35:53
  Maria Pena: Oh, man.
• 35:55
  Maria Pena: Fritz and her.
• 35:57
  Maria Pena: ghostly path.
• 35:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, Venus is one of my favorite characters.
• 36:01
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she's.
• 36:02
  Marisol: I mean, this is awesome.
• 36:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Maria Pena: Which is good.
• 36:09
  Maria Pena: Alright.
• 36:10
  Marisol: It's also just nice to see, like, in the bottom left corner, how Lupa has aged with her, like, salt and pepper hair.
• 36:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Marisol: This was… this was a good one. I loved seeing Venus as a little director.
• 36:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Tad Eggleston: B.
• 36:34
  Maria Pena: That was a lot of fun, that story.
• 36:36
  Tad Eggleston: Had a girl mom work it.
• 36:53
  Maria Pena: I mean, it's so much, so much comic book goodness, isn't it? It's not like trying to be…
• 37:01
  Maria Pena: You know, something else, it's like pure comic book storytelling.
• 37:07
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 37:07
  Maria Pena: Both of them, both… both my… both of them.
• 37:11
  Maria Pena: Jaime, and, and… And Beto are just, like… Pew… Let me book.
• 37:23
  Maria Pena: Geniuses!
• 37:28
  Marisol: You wanna know something funny?
• 37:30
  Maria Pena: Huh.
• 37:32
  Marisol: I… Read one of the wrong issues.
• 37:37
  Maria Pena: Which one?
• 37:37
  Tad Eggleston: Did you read?
• 37:39
  Marisol: I read, luba number 4 instead of, Luba Comics Astoria.
• 37:47
  Tad Eggleston: Comics and Stories number 4.
• 37:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Which one… what was in Luba number for?
• 37:54
  Tad Eggleston: We read that a while ago, so I don't remember.
• 37:59
  Marisol: That was, a lot of melodrama with… Hippo, Fritz, Sergio, and Guadalupe.
• 38:10
  Marisol: And then also, figuring out who was…
• 38:15
  Marisol: Talking shit about the show, who was feeding the tabloids information.
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, I remember now.
• 38:22
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, when the release was.
• 38:24
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 38:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, or they were…
• 38:27
  Maria Pena: Outing her, yeah.
• 38:29
  Maria Pena: It was a whole.
• 38:30
  Marisol: things.
• 38:31
  Maria Pena: Oh, that's funny.
• 38:35
  Maria Pena: Excellent.
• 38:35
  Marisol: So I was looking back at my downloads, and I'm like, oh… This must be the one!
• 38:41
  Marisol: And I did not realize I…
• 38:45
  Tad Eggleston: That means we both… we both kind of dropped the ball this one, because I…
• 38:50
  Tad Eggleston: And again… Yeah, I read 7, like, a month ago, but I, I, I read, I read Love & Rockets number 8 today.
• 38:59
  Marisol: No.
• 39:01
  Maria Pena: I've gotten caught with I didn't finish the issue, because I'm not reading at the last minute. So, you know, we've all gone through this.
• 39:09
  Tad Eggleston: That's why.
• 39:10
  Marisol: Well, oil.
• 39:11
  Marisol: you guys.
• 39:12
  Tad Eggleston: Go through the pages as we go.
• 39:16
  Maria Pena: Oh, shit.
• 39:19
  Maria Pena: Last week, you know, I was… I was rushing to get through the issue, and then I got to that Roy… that Roy story that had, like, 3 million panels in 3 pages. Yes.
• 39:30
  Tad Eggleston: I used that story at, C2V2.
• 39:33
  Maria Pena: it.
• 39:35
  Maria Pena: Oh, nice! Good.
• 39:36
  Tad Eggleston: It's part of cool people talking about comics. We didn't read the whole one. It was… it was… somebody had commented…
• 39:42
  Tad Eggleston: how many panels an earlier story had, and I said, just wait. And then as we moved on, it's like, look at this one!
• 39:49
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I got to that now, and I'm not… never gonna finish in time.
• 39:57
  Tad Eggleston: It's such a good story, though. In part because of all the panels.
• 40:02
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it was a saga in 3 pages. I mean, it was, you know, it went through space and time. It was great.
• 40:10
  Maria Pena: And, you know, it was like, great.
• 40:16
  Marisol: So I'm so very glad we also go through these, and you share your screen, Ted, and we go page by page.
• 40:22
  Maria Pena: Thank goodness, yeah, we can actually read it.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: I think.
• 40:31
  Tad Eggleston: Ready to roll here. Just the joy on Yoshio's face.
• 40:37
  Tad Eggleston: as, as parade… Bowtied… Venus is ready to…
• 40:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's like a Handycam, it's even got the viewer window, but it's just set up like it's an old crank camera.
• 40:55
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 40:59
  Marisol: What are those pants that she's wearing?
• 41:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Tad Eggleston: More importantly, where did she get them all?
• 41:09
  Marisol: Ridiculous.
• 41:12
  Marisol: I mean, it's Venus, she finds a way.
• 41:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:16
  Tad Eggleston: Fair enough.
• 41:17
  Maria Pena: People who horse ride still wear those.
• 41:20
  Marisol: Mmm.
• 41:24
  Maria Pena: I don't know what… what the flaps are for.
• 41:27
  Maria Pena: Idea.
• 41:28
  Marisol: aesthetic, maybe?
• 41:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah, maybe. They do look.
• 41:32
  Marisol: Only thing I can think of.
• 41:36
  Tad Eggleston: Are you guys working in this one for your… for your Beto image, or should I jump?
• 41:42
  Maria Pena: Chill.
• 41:43
  Tad Eggleston: the…
• 41:44
  Maria Pena: Oh, you know what?
• 41:47
  Maria Pena: So I look at this one, because actually, I think that some of the Venus space things were great. Like, I love them.
• 41:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 41:56
  Marisol: For me, the very first, like, the cover page of this, like, the beginning of the story, The Light of Venus, that's my favorite.
• 42:04
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 42:04
  Marisol: It's just her, like, she's floating in a pool, because her hair is also, like, up and out a bit.
• 42:11
  Marisol: When she's in space?
• 42:15
  Maria Pena: No.
• 42:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's cool.
• 42:33
  Marisol: So yeah, then the first page will be… will be my favorite.
• 42:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, that's good.
• 42:40
  Maria Pena: I think I will go with a… Let's do it.
• 42:48
  Maria Pena: I think I really like,
• 42:51
  Maria Pena: The… the one with the boulder… with,
• 42:55
  Maria Pena: Petra running the boulder across the highway. I just thought it was interesting that he made it so…
• 43:02
  Maria Pena: big, it's like you… I was reading… I'm reading this, substack by Joe Quesada.
• 43:11
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 43:11
  Maria Pena: From… and he's… every post that he puts on, he's…
• 43:17
  Maria Pena: He explains an aspect of comic book storytelling, and he talks about how
• 43:22
  Maria Pena: When you want something small to look… to be important, you make it a big, big-ass panel, and this is one of those examples where it's just her running across, but it's, like, so momentous, because the kids saw her, you know, and it just…
• 43:40
  Maria Pena: it's just a great moment in the story where you… as soon as you see the bus, you go, oh, the kid… the kids in the bus are gonna see her and think she's a real superhero, like, it kind of…
• 43:53
  Maria Pena: as soon as I saw it, I went like, oh, that is awesome, so I love that pedal, so I'll pick that one.
• 43:59
  Marisol: And I mean, that panel could also be a poster, honestly.
• 44:03
  Maria Pena: Poster, cover, anything. You can put the cover, you know, put the 11 rockets on top of that.
• 44:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's a great, great, great, great panel.
• 44:22
  Maria Pena: Oh, and then Jaime, as per usual, it was like… 3 million.
• 44:28
  Tad Eggleston: page.
• 44:29
  Maria Pena: every page.
• 44:30
  Marisol: Yes, every single day.
• 44:32
  Tad Eggleston: panel.
• 44:33
  Marisol: It's gorgeous.
• 44:34
  Maria Pena: Yeah, like, the fir- the first… It's all my favorite.
• 44:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah, no, the first splash panel on this one that says Maggie on top, and it's coming off of Vivian's hair into the roof. I mean, that is…
• 44:49
  Maria Pena: A beautiful design of a panel there.
• 44:51
  Marisol: Great one.
• 44:52
  Maria Pena: In fact, I'll just grab that one, just so… because there's so many. I mean…
• 44:58
  Maria Pena: This many, many, many, but, yeah.
• 45:01
  Maria Pena: That'll do me.
• 45:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I like seeing a couple of girls kissing.
• 45:10
  Maria Pena: Ugh.
• 45:13
  Marisol: Oh, that's beautiful.
• 45:15
  Maria Pena: This is Deepwear.
• 45:17
  Tad Eggleston: Lots of kissing this… this… Yeah. This is you.
• 45:22
  Tad Eggleston: And, and it's, and it's nice kissing.
• 45:25
  Maria Pena: I wanted to point out on page 6…
• 45:28
  Tad Eggleston: for that matter, Old Graveyard Ghost… here.
• 45:32
  Tad Eggleston: It's pretty good.
• 45:34
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that is hilarious.
• 45:36
  Maria Pena: So here, in this page, page 6, page 6, go back, go back, go back.
• 45:40
  Maria Pena: I just wanted to point out that run that Maggie has.
• 45:45
  Maria Pena: on the left column there, that one, and then the one underneath. That is very… I don't know if it's very archy, or very… but I've seen that before.
• 45:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, going one way.
• 45:55
  Marisol: The little skedaddle she does?
• 45:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, I think that's our…
• 46:00
  Tad Eggleston: Very Archie.
• 46:02
  Maria Pena: Peanuts, or Archie, or…
• 46:04
  Tad Eggleston: No, it feels… it feels… it actually feels very Jughead.
• 46:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so, I mean, those panels are gorgeous, but I'll stop picking panels.
• 46:19
  Maria Pena: So, yeah.
• 46:19
  Tad Eggleston: Like we said, all of them.
• 46:22
  Maria Pena: Oh, this was a beautiful, beautiful.
• 46:24
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm going with Maggie's car.
• 46:26
  Maria Pena: theory.
• 46:27
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not a car guy, but I want that car.
• 46:32
  Marisol: Very fair.
• 46:32
  Tad Eggleston: It's not often that I see a car and go, I want that, but I look at this and it's like, I want that.
• 46:41
  Tad Eggleston: So, I'm going… I'm going with Maggie's car.
• 46:45
  Maria Pena: You're right.
• 46:46
  Marisol: Nice panel.
• 46:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, you got the peak of the crop now, Marisol.
• 46:54
  Marisol: Mine will have to be spooky Izzy in the window. I don't know, I'd love…
• 46:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Marisol: When she's just… The creepy little cryptid that she is…
• 47:05
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 47:07
  Marisol: It's weird, and I just… I eat it up all the time. It's great.
• 47:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Maria Pena: I love that you see her in the panel above, you see her silhouette in there.
• 47:20
  Marisol: Mmm.
• 47:22
  Maria Pena: And because Maggie has clocked her, she's going, shit, I knew you were home, witch lady? She waves at her. Yeah. And then it's like…
• 47:31
  Marisol: And you don't see me.
• 47:35
  Maria Pena: Who's a fucking dullen, is he?
• 47:38
  Marisol: I saw you seeing me.
• 47:39
  Maria Pena: Coming in!
• 47:41
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 47:42
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I can tell you… The, the, the number 8 is a good issue.
• 47:49
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 47:49
  Tad Eggleston: I read it earlier today.
• 47:54
  Maria Pena: Don't re-read it next week.
• 47:56
  Tad Eggleston: I probably will re-read it.
• 47:58
  Maria Pena: Next week.
• 47:59
  Tad Eggleston: I won't read 9 next week. Don't read 9.
• 48:01
  Maria Pena: 9 next week, yes, that's correct.
• 48:03
  Marisol: There you go.
• 48:05
  Tad Eggleston: I'll stop at 8.
• 48:07
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 48:08
  Tad Eggleston: But, but read Luba… Luba Comics and Stories, Marison. Yes. I already read the Luba.
• 48:16
  Marisol: My brain doesn't remember.
• 48:18
  Tad Eggleston: I know, it's actually confusing, because they were all coming out at the same time.
• 48:24
  Marisol: -Oh.
• 48:25
  Tad Eggleston: like, at the back of the Luba Comics in the store, that we read.
• 48:30
  Tad Eggleston: There is an ad… For, I think, a regular Luba?
• 48:35
  Maria Pena: Right.
• 48:37
  Marisol: Well, that explains that.
• 48:38
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, I mean, that's… that's how much… more…
• 48:48
  Tad Eggleston: That's how much more… Beto was doing at this time.
• 48:56
  Maria Pena: It was crazy.
• 48:57
  Marisol: No, because my brain def…
• 48:58
  Tad Eggleston: But number 8.
• 49:01
  Tad Eggleston: And coming soon, Liba Comics and Stories number 5.
• 49:06
  Marisol: Jeez.
• 49:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Tad Eggleston: And that's… that's in 04, and Lovin' Rockets was backed by 04, too.
• 49:15
  Maria Pena: So, next week is Lovers and Hector, right?
• 49:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, Lovers and Hector.
• 49:23
  Maria Pena: That's what we're reading. In fact, I'm taking a screenshot, because I always… I always go, which one was it again?
• 49:29
  Maria Pena: And I'm afraid of doing what you did.
• 49:31
  Tad Eggleston: Hey, it's your guy!
• 49:34
  Tad Eggleston: Fortunato.
• 49:36
  Maria Pena: Fortune.
• 49:37
  Tad Eggleston: Otto is the next one.
• 49:40
  Marisol: Just come back.
• 49:42
  Marisol: Just when we thought we'd seen the last of him.
• 49:46
  Maria Pena: Who hasn't that guy fucked yet? Why does he need to come back? He's coming back for someone. Someone hasn't nailed yet.
• 49:53
  Tad Eggleston: They can just pick somebody off the street, can't they?
• 49:57
  Maria Pena: Where? Did Mari… did Maricela… has he nailed Maricela yet?
• 50:03
  Tad Eggleston: Has he nailed Hector?
• 50:05
  Maria Pena: Maybe.
• 50:09
  Maria Pena: There you go.
• 50:11
  Maria Pena: One of those two.
• 50:14
  Marisol: God, that's funny.
• 50:17
  Tad Eggleston: So, alrighty, for… for Marisol and Maria, this has been the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 panels, and we will see you after the next page.