Latest / Jeep Talk Show / Ep. 27 MUSTANG DISASTER: Water Shooting Out Exhaust on I-10!

Transcript

Ep. 27 MUSTANG DISASTER: Water Shooting Out Exhaust on I-10! · Jeep Talk Show

0:00
I guess it's a hot show
0:02
It's on
0:03
Now
0:03
My love
0:04
My love
0:36
Well I've got a tale of woe today
0:40
Good evening, it's Tony
0:42
Motoroy on XJTalk.com
0:44
And this is the show about Jeep Cherokees
0:46
Although tonight it's
0:47
going to be about Mustangs
0:49
Mustangs from H-
0:52
Jeep Cherokee XJTalk.com show
0:56
Yep, had to work on the Mustang today
1:01
Wasn't a good experience
1:03
I don't like working on
1:06
vehicles to start with
1:07
It's dirty, it's sweaty, and it's hot
1:10
You know it's June
1:11
If it's not summer it should be
1:13
Like 94 degrees today
1:15
God it was hot
1:16
Anyway, I'll be complaining and whining
1:18
about the Mustang here in just a minute
2:42
Well guys, as you heard me saying in the
2:47
intro, I had a little Mustang probably.
2:51
I was quite happy sitting in the air
2:54
conditioning at work when
2:55
I got a semi-panicked phone
2:58
call from my wife.
3:00
She said she was going down Interstate
3:02
10, going to her
3:03
parents' house, and luckily
3:06
her two girls were with her.
3:08
I say luckily because anytime you want
3:12
your wife to break
3:13
down, you want your kids to
3:15
be with her.
3:16
But anyway, she had some company.
3:19
It wasn't a serious deal as
3:21
far as like a wreck or something.
3:22
She was just driving down and she's been
3:25
hearing this noise, kind
3:26
of a rattling noise and a
3:28
loss of power, but she could never get it
3:31
to duplicate while I
3:34
was around or while I
3:36
was driving it or whatever.
3:38
It would not act up.
3:40
So I had no idea that she was going over
3:42
to her parents' house
3:43
today, so I was a little
3:44
surprised to hear she was on I-10.
3:47
Basically, same thing, it started making
3:50
a rattling noise, loss
3:52
of power, and she tried
3:55
to exit the freeway and wasn't quite able
3:58
to get off the freeway, so she was on the
4:01
feeder.
4:02
In Houston, we have a
4:03
safe, clear program.
4:05
So basically that means that if you break
4:08
down, a safe, clear
4:10
tow truck will be around
4:11
to tow you off the freeway and to a gas
4:16
station, basically get
4:18
the vehicle off the side of
4:20
the freeway so people don't gawk at it
4:22
and slow the traffic down.
4:24
It's a pretty good idea overall, but
4:27
unfortunately there's a very
4:31
narrow range of things that
4:33
you can be towed for free.
4:35
Otherwise, you have to pay like $140 for
4:40
a tow of about two football field links.
4:43
So I quickly contacted a local garage
4:49
slash record service
4:50
and asked them if they did
4:52
just record service because I wasn't
4:54
interested in floating five
4:57
loans to pay for-- the Dalton
5:02
just joined in the chat room as I was
5:04
reading what he was saying.
5:07
Yeah, no problem, Dalton.
5:08
If you-- he says, "Hey, I'm here.
5:09
I don't know how long ago."
5:11
Yeah, no problem, Dalton.
5:12
If you can stick around, great.
5:14
If not, no problem.
5:16
This is going to be
5:16
whining tonight, mainly.
5:19
So anyway, I was able to contact this
5:23
local record company and
5:24
it was like $95 for them
5:25
to drive out to where she had broken down
5:28
and tow the Mustang back to the house.
5:31
And I found out from the last time we had
5:34
an issue with the Mustang where it had to
5:35
be towed that our insurance company will
5:38
cover-- we have towing on our coverage.
5:42
So it'll cover up to
5:44
like $120 for the tow.
5:46
So it's not going to really be an
5:48
out-of-pocket expense.
5:49
So anyway, they're on the side of the
5:51
freeway and I'm concerned
5:53
even though I'm about an
5:55
employee from home and about that from
5:58
where they were, I thought
6:00
I better-- my wife sounds
6:02
a little panicked and my girls were with
6:03
her and I was a little
6:04
concerned about them getting
6:06
home and stuff, OK?
6:07
So the work is pretty good about if you
6:10
have something that
6:11
comes up, you just let them
6:14
know that there's an issue
6:16
and you need to take care of it.
6:17
I'm a contractor at the company, so I
6:20
don't want to do the
6:22
same as what the employees
6:25
do irregardless of how
6:28
you're treated and what you see.
6:29
You know, if you're a contractor, you're
6:31
not the same as an
6:33
employee, although they're
6:35
very good to us there and treat us just
6:38
the same way as they
6:39
do the actual employees.
6:41
So I spoke with somebody and they felt
6:45
that it was reasonable
6:46
and so I took off and hit
6:48
it home.
6:49
I managed to get home about the same time
6:51
they got towed to the
6:53
house, so everything
6:54
was good and I decided that I would go
6:58
ahead and take a quick
7:01
look at the Mustang to see
7:02
if I could figure out the issue.
7:04
So you know, when it died on her, she
7:08
tried starting it, of
7:09
course, and it wouldn't start.
7:10
It would act like it wanted to start and
7:11
it wouldn't start and it
7:12
would shake pretty bad.
7:14
So very confusing.
7:17
My immediate thought was, oh, I will help
7:19
anyway, I was thinking fuel filter.
7:20
You know, it's got a clogged fuel filter.
7:23
It's a 96 Mustang and it probably has
7:26
never had the fuel filter changed.
7:27
So I thought about
7:28
going by the auto parts.
7:30
I actually called the auto parts and
7:32
found out fuel filters
7:33
are very, very cheap and
7:35
I actually checked, double checked to
7:39
make sure they weren't
7:39
located inside the fuel
7:40
tank like they are on
7:41
the 97 plus Jeep Cherokees.
7:44
Thankfully, no, they're just out right
7:46
there where you can get to them.
7:48
So I was driving home and I thought,
7:50
well, you know, I can
7:51
go by there and get that,
7:52
but that might not be the problem.
7:54
It might be a better idea if I stick the
7:57
scanner because it really
7:59
acted like, from what she
8:00
was telling me, it acted
8:01
like a sensor was acting up.
8:04
Like it maybe had a sensor going bad or,
8:07
you know, there was
8:08
some problem with a sensor
8:10
where it wasn't reading correctly and it
8:12
was acting up and
8:13
causing the computer not to
8:14
know what to do.
8:16
Like maybe something similar to the crank
8:18
position sensor or something, you know, I
8:20
don't know, Ford related type stuff.
8:22
So I thought, you know, I'll go home and
8:24
put the OBD2 scanner on
8:25
it and just see what it
8:27
says.
8:28
Well, I was able to start it.
8:29
It started and it ran fine.
8:31
It did seem to have a little bit of a
8:33
miss to it, but a very mild miss.
8:36
So I hooked up the OBD2, a little
8:39
Bluetooth box that
8:41
hooks into the OBD2 port.
8:44
And then I have a laptop with some
8:46
software on it and a
8:47
Bluetooth so that I can communicate
8:49
with the scanner.
8:50
So I fired up the software on the laptop
8:53
and connected to the
8:54
Bluetooth unit and read the
8:56
data.
8:57
And it had the same error code that it's
9:00
had for years now, which
9:02
has to do with the EVAP
9:05
charcoal canister being clogged or the
9:07
purge valve having a
9:11
problem or the purge flow sensor
9:16
having a problem.
9:18
And I had read in the past that the EVAP
9:20
canister is actually
9:23
inside the wheel well behind the
9:26
fender, in other words, where you can't
9:28
get to it easily, on
9:30
the passenger side of the
9:31
vehicle, front fender.
9:33
So I wasn't looking forward to trying to
9:34
pull that thing out of there.
9:35
And it hadn't been a problem before other
9:37
than just showing a
9:38
check engine light, which
9:40
each year when it came time to get it
9:43
inspected, I would just
9:44
clear the codes and drive about
9:47
five miles to the place
9:50
where I would get it inspected.
9:51
And the check engine light would always
9:53
stay off long enough for
9:54
it to get inspected and
9:56
I'd drive it back home.
9:57
And then, you know, sometimes on the way
9:59
back home, the check
9:59
engine light would come back
10:00
on.
10:00
Sometimes it was a couple days later.
10:02
So it's been working out fine.
10:03
My wife didn't like the check engine
10:06
light, but she wasn't the
10:07
one that was going to pull
10:08
the fender off to get to all this stuff.
10:11
Well when I looked at the
10:12
code, I thought, OK, fine.
10:13
I'll see what I can do as far as getting
10:17
the part that I need to fix this.
10:21
I mean, it's the only
10:22
code that's showing.
10:23
It's the same code that's been showing.
10:26
Maybe whatever the problem was, the
10:29
moderate problem it had to
10:31
show the check engine light,
10:33
maybe it had gotten severe enough.
10:34
And again, it just really
10:35
felt like a sensor problem.
10:37
So I called O'Reilly's and they said, you
10:41
know, they wouldn't
10:41
say that's a dealer item.
10:43
They wouldn't say out of the
10:44
three pieces to that puzzle.
10:47
I got a P1433, I think it was.
10:53
And there's three pieces that can be bad.
10:57
Actually four, but three actual parts
11:00
that can be bad that's
11:02
associated with that code.
11:03
So I asked them about the EVAP canister.
11:06
Yeah, we got one.
11:07
Or we can get one, 120 bucks.
11:09
OK, fine.
11:10
How about the purge valve?
11:13
Yeah, we can get one of those and I think
11:15
it was like 70 bucks or something.
11:17
And they said, how
11:18
about the purge flow sensor?
11:20
No, it doesn't have one.
11:23
I said, yeah, it does.
11:25
I'm looking at this Mustang for them and
11:28
they're talking about
11:29
the purge flow sensor.
11:33
No, not on a 96 Mustang.
11:35
I've had issues with O'Reilly's before
11:38
where they swear up and
11:39
down that the 96 doesn't
11:41
have this, that, or the other.
11:43
And you know, it's like it's something
11:45
like, no, it only has two wheels.
11:47
So I've learned not to trust exactly what
11:51
I hear from the parts people.
11:54
So I said, OK, fine, thanks.
11:55
And I'll let you know.
11:57
So I call advanced auto.
11:58
And by this time I've actually found a
12:00
Ford part number for
12:02
the sensor, for the purge
12:03
flow sensor.
12:04
And even though I can't get the purge
12:12
flow sensor, when I give
12:14
them that, I mean, even
12:15
though they don't find it either, they
12:17
don't find the purge flow sensor as well.
12:19
And so I say, OK, here, fine.
12:21
Here's a Ford part number.
12:22
Can you look up the Ford part number?
12:23
Yeah, sure.
12:24
So he looks it up and then he tells me,
12:27
yeah, that's the part
12:29
number for the purge valve
12:32
and the evap canister.
12:34
And I said, huh?
12:36
I gave you one part number.
12:37
Yeah, it's these two things.
12:39
I said, wait a minute.
12:41
How can I, is it some sort of
12:43
assembly or a kit or something?
12:45
Because I gave you one part number and
12:48
you're telling me it's two parts.
12:50
Yeah.
12:52
No, I don't understand that.
12:54
I mean, I've never worked as a parts
12:57
counter person or a
12:58
mechanic or whatever, but in all
12:59
my years experience, if it's a part
13:03
number, it's a single
13:03
piece, unless it's some sort
13:05
of kit.
13:06
And I don't think it's a kit.
13:08
It's a sensor.
13:09
No, I'm not showing a sensor.
13:10
OK,
13:11
****
13:11
it.
13:12
I'm calling Ford because at least in the
13:15
post that I read, they
13:16
said the sensor from the
13:18
Ford dealership was like 30 bucks.
13:21
And this was from a few years ago, so it
13:23
couldn't be that much more
13:24
expensive than what it was
13:26
from 2008 or whenever it was.
13:28
So I looked up and I found a local Ford
13:30
dealership about three
13:32
miles down the road off of I-10.
13:34
And I called up the parts department and
13:36
they look it up and
13:37
they said, yeah, we got it.
13:39
And I didn't even give
13:41
them the part number.
13:41
I just told them 96 Ford
13:42
Mustang, V6, blah, blah, blah.
13:45
And he looked it up and he
13:47
added $40 and some odd cents.
13:50
More than what I really wanted to spend,
13:52
but you know, OK, as
13:54
far as sensors go, that's
13:55
not so bad.
13:56
So I drove over there and picked it up,
13:59
got back home and oh,
14:01
actually while I was there,
14:03
I said, yeah, I heard that this thing is
14:05
actually behind the fender on the
14:08
passenger side front fender.
14:10
He goes, yeah.
14:11
And I said, you wouldn't happen to have a
14:13
picture or something.
14:13
He goes, yeah, yeah, I do.
14:14
I'll pull that up.
14:16
And I expected him to pull it up on the
14:17
screen and I'd crane my neck around.
14:19
You know, you've been at the
14:20
parts places where they do this.
14:21
And then you get to see, most of the
14:24
time, not a great
14:25
picture, but he's he pulls it
14:28
up and then he walks over to the printer
14:30
because he printed it for
14:31
me and he brings it back
14:32
over and hands it to me.
14:34
And I saw that's great.
14:35
It's printed.
14:35
I can take this with me.
14:36
I can look at it as I need it.
14:38
And he even pointed out on the diagram
14:42
where it was, the part that I was buying.
14:45
And I said, I was looking at it and I
14:47
said, well, that's not behind the fender.
14:49
And he goes, he looks at
14:50
it and he kind of, hmm.
14:52
I said, well, that's the firewall.
14:54
That's right there next to the firewall,
14:56
brought behind the
14:57
engine and not even really
14:58
behind the engine, you
14:59
know, up on the firewall.
15:00
He goes, yeah, you're right.
15:02
And I thought, and actually I said, you
15:04
know, that I'm doomed
15:07
because I think I've seen
15:09
that part and it's very easy to get to.
15:12
So that means that this, you know,
15:13
according to Murphy's law,
15:15
this will not be the piece
15:16
that fixes it.
15:17
And he laughed.
15:18
And I gave him my $40 and got back in the
15:21
Jeep and drove home.
15:22
So unfortunately, the
15:26
vehicle was starting.
15:27
And when I got home, I tried starting it
15:29
and it started right up,
15:30
like I said earlier, and it
15:31
just had a slight mist to it.
15:33
So I put the new part in.
15:36
I cleared the code, the check engine
15:39
light, and I thought,
15:41
well, you know, I don't want to
15:43
drive it around because I don't want it
15:44
to die on me and where
15:47
I'll be stranded and have
15:49
to try to, you know, get home some way.
15:51
So I'll just let it sit here and idle.
15:53
And of course, that's not the best way to
15:55
check the error that I
15:58
was getting before to see
15:59
if this fixed it.
16:00
So I used the time while it was sitting
16:02
there idling, I actually
16:04
put in on the scanner, the
16:12
OBT2 scanner to monitor RPM, coolant temperature, about seven or eight things.
16:14
I just had it, you know,
16:15
updating on the screen.
16:16
And I would go over there and check it,
16:18
see what, you know, see if
16:19
the RPM was changing or see if
16:21
the check engine light would come back
16:22
on, blah, blah, blah.
16:23
And while I was doing that, the I had my
16:27
IAC part had come in.
16:32
So I thought, well, I'll put this on the
16:34
on the Jeep while I'm
16:37
waiting for the Mustang to, you
16:38
know, be fixed or act up.
16:41
So I went and did that and, you know,
16:43
it's just side by
16:44
side there in the garage.
16:46
And after about 30, 40 minutes, I guess,
16:51
of it just sitting there
16:52
idling and I kept checking the
16:53
temp because I was a little concerned
16:56
that because the fan,
16:58
the electric fan was not
17:01
turning on the thing
17:03
right there by the radiator.
17:06
And I thought it was really strange.
17:08
And then I thought, well, you know,
17:09
looking at the temperature
17:11
from the scanner, it's only
17:13
176 degrees.
17:14
So that seems kind of low.
17:17
Maybe it doesn't come on
17:18
until it gets up to a higher temp.
17:20
So I let it go and
17:21
let it go and let it go.
17:22
And I kept checking the temp
17:27
gauge on the dash and it's fine.
17:29
It's, you know, it's
17:30
not like it has moved.
17:33
It's just it's in the middle.
17:34
It's a gauge.
17:35
So it's a factory gauge, but, you know,
17:38
it's always been fine.
17:40
So I'm over there working on the Jeep.
17:42
I'm actually buttoning everything back up
17:43
and popping the cables
17:45
back on the inputs and stuff
17:49
to the throttle body.
17:51
And I start hearing a kind of a weird
17:55
sound coming from the
17:56
Mustang and it's kind of a
17:59
noise and it kind of
18:02
stumbles a little bit.
18:03
It's not idling cleanly.
18:05
So I go, hmm, that's kind of that's that
18:08
sounds like the noise
18:09
that my wife described,
18:11
although hers, her
18:13
description was more violent and louder.
18:15
So I got in and gotten the Mustang and
18:18
revved the engine and it
18:19
was sluggish and it was
18:21
make a rattling noise
18:23
when you tried to accelerate.
18:25
And I recognized the noise.
18:28
It's the noise that you hear whenever
18:30
your engine gets too hot.
18:32
I believe it's called detonation.
18:34
Whenever the air fuel mixture is, uh, is
18:37
getting so hot or it's
18:38
getting so hot inside
18:39
the, the combustion chamber that that
18:42
heat is causing the
18:45
air fuel mixture to start
18:46
igniting before the spark plug ignites it
18:49
or just before it,
18:51
you know, fully ignites.
18:52
In other words, it's
18:53
kind of like a timing issue.
18:54
My understanding is it's kind of like a
18:56
timing issue and much
18:57
like what a diesel does, you
18:59
know, you don't need a spark plug really
19:00
to, to make it work.
19:02
But of course all the sensors and all the
19:05
programming and stuff
19:06
aren't, aren't geared
19:07
towards the detonation.
19:09
So anyway, uh, and I can smell the heat
19:13
coming off the engine.
19:15
You don't, whenever an
19:16
engine gets hot, you can smell it.
19:18
So the noise, the sluggish, uh, throttle,
19:21
uh, the smell all
19:23
indicated to me that there
19:25
is an issue with it not,
19:27
uh, not cooling properly.
19:29
And in the fan, the
19:31
electric fan still is not running.
19:33
I went and the gauge shows that it's,
19:36
it's not hot, but it
19:37
does show a temperature.
19:38
It's not like it's zero or
19:40
all the way over to the cool.
19:41
It's, it's in the middle,
19:42
like where it should be.
19:43
Actually, I did notice it kind of looked
19:45
like it cooled off a
19:46
little bit, which was
19:47
a little disturbing.
19:48
So, uh, I went and looked at the scanner
19:52
and it showed 176
19:54
degrees and there's just
19:55
no way in heaven you don't get a smell
19:57
like that with 176 degrees.
19:59
And I figured that it was normal
20:01
operating temperatures
20:02
going to be closer to 200,
20:03
um, 200 degrees Fahrenheit.
20:05
So, uh, I turned it off and, uh, I got to
20:09
thinking, well, you know, could it be,
20:12
could it be a blown head?
20:14
And, um, after a little while I took the,
20:17
the radiator cap off
20:18
and I had no problem.
20:20
There was no, no spewing or anything.
20:23
I tried squeezing the top hose and it,
20:26
uh, it was, it was like empty.
20:28
And, um, I thought,
20:30
well, this is really strange.
20:31
I have this really, uh, really dark
20:34
brown, uh, color inside
20:37
the, um, the, uh, the coolant.
20:40
And I had flushed a lot of it out and I
20:42
just figured it was some really old,
20:45
um, factory coolant or somebody put some
20:48
stuff in there, or it was rust coming
20:49
from the coil in the lower spring or I
20:52
don't know where, but I had flushed a
20:55
lot of that out and thought, well, you
20:57
know, what would happen if the throttle,
21:00
I mean, sorry, if the thermostat wasn't
21:03
opening, it could be that the thermostat
21:05
is, uh, is closed shut and it's not
21:09
letting the water circulate.
21:11
And that might be affecting the, the
21:13
sensor, the temp sensor.
21:15
It might be causing the,
21:16
the engine to overheat.
21:17
So I, uh, cleaned up a little bit and
21:21
jumped in the Jeep and went down to
21:23
advanced auto and got a, uh, 195 degree
21:28
thermostat, which is, uh, apparently
21:30
the factory, uh, the factory temp, uh, is
21:35
195 for the thermostat.
21:37
I got a temperature sensor, which was
21:39
like, uh, it's actually a sensor switch
21:42
and it's like, it was like 10 bucks.
21:44
So when I found out the price, I said,
21:47
yeah, give me one of those too.
21:48
And I went ahead and got an air filter,
21:50
uh, while I was there and, uh,
21:53
paid for it, got back in the Jeep.
21:55
And actually I complained a
21:57
little bit while I was there.
21:58
I was talking to a girl that seemed to
22:00
be, uh, if not knowledgeable in vehicles,
22:04
she was knowledgeable on the computer
22:06
source, finding stuff very quick, very
22:09
accurate as far as looking it up.
22:11
And I thought, well, I'll just find out
22:12
if she can find the, um, the flow sensor.
22:16
And she couldn't, but you know, she
22:19
listened to me complain a little bit and
22:21
she apologized and
22:23
then she said, hang on.
22:24
I went over to another register and got
22:27
me a, a $5 off card.
22:29
So I'm a little credit card looking thing
22:31
and gave me $5 off my purchase
22:32
because of the trouble I had.
22:33
And I said, Hey, I wasn't complaining to
22:35
try to get money off.
22:35
She goes, no, no, no problem.
22:38
And I thought that was very nice.
22:40
So, um, if you want to get a little, a
22:42
little money off your, uh, your
22:43
purchase at advanced auto,
22:45
complain a little bit anyway.
22:47
So I got back home and, uh, pulled the
22:50
thermostat housing off and, uh, got
22:53
the thermostat and oh my God, it looked
22:55
like it had been in a rust storm.
22:58
It was just covered in this
23:00
Brown rusty looking stuff.
23:03
And, um, it was so strange.
23:06
The inside of the intake, uh, was at
23:09
least I guess that's the intake.
23:11
I need to learn a little bit more about
23:12
the, um, I need a little bit more
23:14
about the, um, how the, the Mustang
23:17
engine is laid out, but
23:18
that it looks like the
23:20
thermostat and the thermostat housing
23:22
actually attaches to the front of the
23:24
intake, but the thing that surprised me
23:26
was that a lot of that Brown stuff was
23:28
coding the inside of
23:29
the intake and it was dry.
23:32
It looked like it was
23:33
dry as a bone in there.
23:34
And, um, that was kind of concerning to
23:37
me in a way I was thinking, well, maybe
23:40
this has something to do with the
23:41
thermostat being stuck and the water
23:44
isn't flowing through there.
23:45
Now I've never really seen an intake that
23:47
the water flows through, but you
23:49
I've never seen the inside of a Ford.
23:53
Um, what is this?
23:54
It's a V six.
23:55
I don't even know what size it is.
23:56
So I thought, you know, okay, whatever.
23:58
I'll put the thermostat in it and, uh,
24:01
uh, we'll see if it works.
24:02
So, well, the first thing I did was I
24:03
took the water hose and this is after
24:05
he had cooled off for maybe an hour.
24:06
I took the water hose and stuck it in the
24:08
radiator and started, you know,
24:10
pumping water in there and it starts
24:12
coming out through the intake and I go,
24:14
okay, well there's a, there's a path.
24:16
So that little hole where the thermostat
24:18
goes and the thermostat
24:19
housing, the water
24:20
was coming out of there.
24:21
So I went ahead and flushed it for a
24:22
little bit to get that brown
24:24
out of there and the best I
24:26
can describe it is, is rust.
24:28
It, it actually, um, it's kind of a
24:30
powdery thing and, uh, it
24:33
will float on top of the water.
24:34
So anyway, I got the, uh, they got the
24:37
thermostat, uh, on the thermostat
24:39
housing and put the thermostat housing on
24:41
there and bolted it up and put the
24:43
top hose back on and, uh, put some water,
24:46
more water in the radiator and, uh,
24:49
cranked up the, uh, the engine.
24:51
And I'd say that the, the miss was a
24:52
little more pronounced than what it had
24:55
been before and, uh,
24:57
oh, and that's right.
24:58
I did change the temp
24:59
sensor while I was there.
25:01
I figured, you know what the hell, um,
25:03
either if the other one is, is bad, uh,
25:05
we're not reading correctly, you know,
25:08
nine bucks, 10 bucks.
25:09
I'll, I'll throw the new one on there.
25:10
So I cranked it up.
25:11
It was missing, not, not
25:13
horribly, but it was missing.
25:15
And, um, I went over and got the, uh,
25:18
obt2 scanner, uh, software
25:20
running again on the laptop.
25:22
And now the coolant temperature was
25:24
reading 330 degrees.
25:27
And I thought, well, that can't be right.
25:29
The engine's not hot.
25:31
And I just started it.
25:32
I wonder if that sensor
25:34
is, is the right sensor.
25:35
And then I thought, well, if it's reading
25:37
330 degrees, that certainly ought to be
25:40
enough to turn the electric fan on.
25:43
So, so I thought, well, I'll go see if
25:45
the fan's running and sure enough,
25:47
the fan was going, so it
25:49
wasn't the electric fan.
25:51
So, uh, but I need to back up a second.
25:54
Whenever I went to start the engine, I
25:57
had, of course, I had
25:57
the hood open to the
25:58
Mustang and the, the opening to the, uh,
26:02
radiator is on the driver's side.
26:05
And I filled it up with water.
26:07
So I started up and water launches out of
26:11
the, the radiator, a good foot,
26:13
a nice little stream of water.
26:15
And my initial thought was, Hey, that's
26:18
good because I was a little
26:19
concerned about the water pump thought
26:21
maybe that, you know, maybe the water
26:22
pump fins are gone or it's
26:24
bad or, you know, I don't know.
26:25
It's just, it's just strange.
26:27
And then I thought, you know, there's no
26:29
way that the water should
26:32
have shot out of there like that.
26:33
And then I went back to
26:34
my, uh, blown head concerns.
26:39
So, um, I thought I stood there and it
26:43
was running and I thought about it
26:44
a second and, uh, thought, well, what
26:47
would happen if I, if I gave it a little
26:49
gas and you know, I, I revved it and
26:52
water would come out.
26:53
So I walked over there and, um, like I
26:55
said, got the, the OBD2 scanner
26:58
software running again and saw the
26:59
temperature and the electric fan was
27:02
and I stood there and, and you could see
27:04
a bubble coming out of the, uh, out
27:06
of the radiator, uh, the
27:08
opening of the radiator.
27:09
And I thought, well, I don't wait it a
27:11
while, you know, cause any, any time
27:13
the system has been dropped the bottom
27:16
hose and, and, you know, uh, dump the
27:18
water out of the engine and the radiator.
27:20
But so, you know, that's always possible
27:22
that the water is circulating and
27:24
bubbles are going to come out.
27:25
But I was still concerned about seeing
27:27
that water sheet up like that.
27:28
And, um, so I thought, well, I wonder if
27:31
there's any, any liquid
27:33
coming out the tailpipe.
27:34
And when I walked back there, I could,
27:36
uh, I could hear the sputtering noise
27:39
and I could actually
27:39
see it sputtering water.
27:41
And I thought, well, you know, sometimes
27:42
they do that because of the
27:44
catalytic converter and
27:45
condensation and so on and so forth.
27:47
So I put my hand down where the water was
27:50
and put it up to my, my face to
27:53
see if I could smell and I had put a lot
27:54
of water through there.
27:55
So there really
27:56
wasn't any, uh, any freeze.
27:58
And it was clear water.
27:59
It wasn't that rust colored stuff that I
28:01
had been seeing in the radiator.
28:03
And, uh, I thought, well, this doesn't
28:06
really is not sitting well with me.
28:08
This is really kind of disturbing.
28:10
And, um, but I'm not convinced it's a,
28:12
uh, you know, a problem with the, uh,
28:14
the head gasket or
28:16
cracked head or crack block.
28:19
So I wanted to get down closer to the,
28:21
the exhaust and smell and see if I could,
28:24
uh, certainly didn't want it to be fuel.
28:26
That would really be bad.
28:27
And, but I, but I wanted to
28:29
know before things got worse.
28:32
So I got down to where I could smell the,
28:34
the exhaust and hear the noise a little
28:37
better, and then I noticed that the
28:39
stream of water that I was seeing coming
28:41
out from underneath the car wasn't from
28:44
where, where I had been filling up the
28:46
radiator, it was coming
28:47
out of a hole in the muffler.
28:50
There was a little hole towards the
28:52
bottom of the muffler and water
28:54
was squirting out of there.
28:55
Not constant stream, but you know, more
28:59
than anything should be.
29:01
So that's when I realized water is
29:04
getting into one of the cylinders and
29:07
it's being sent down the exhaust pipe.
29:10
And that's why one of the, uh, why it's
29:12
missing a little bit.
29:13
And that's why it gets hot because the
29:16
water is being forced down through the
29:17
exhaust and out the back and eventually
29:20
the, there's no water on the cooling
29:22
system, the engine gets hot and it comes
29:26
to a stop because it gets hot.
29:28
And, uh, I would assume that because the
29:31
temperature sensor is kind of high up in
29:34
that whole, uh, cooling system
29:37
architecture, it's
29:38
higher than the rest of it.
29:40
That I would imagine when the water level
29:42
drops down sufficiently, all it's
29:44
doing is measuring air temperature.
29:45
Now I still don't know why it was, uh,
29:47
why it was showing 300
29:48
and something degrees.
29:49
It could be that, uh, the, um, it could
29:52
be that we had had a
29:54
head leak, uh, a head
29:56
gasket leak for some time and it was
29:58
getting worse and worse and worse.
30:00
And now it's just got to the point where
30:02
exhaust gases are getting in there.
30:04
And that's what heating up that sensor.
30:07
And it could have even
30:07
caused the other sensor to go bad.
30:09
I don't know.
30:09
But the, uh, the thing that's interesting
30:11
about it is, is that there, the oil
30:13
looks perfectly fine.
30:14
It's full.
30:15
It's not milky.
30:16
Uh, it's not light brown.
30:18
It's a kind of a dark black, like what
30:20
you'd expect from, uh, from oil
30:22
that's been in the engine for a while.
30:24
So, um, I don't think there's any other,
30:26
any other conclusion, uh, when you see
30:28
water coming out the exhaust, um, at a,
30:32
at a pretty good clip that, uh, water is
30:35
getting into the, uh, the cylinder and
30:38
during combustion, it's being ejected
30:41
out through the exhaust system.
30:43
I don't hear any noise on the engine
30:44
other than the, the miss.
30:46
And so I don't think that it, it
30:48
certainly isn't hydro locked and I don't
30:50
think that anything has been bent, but I
30:53
don't see, I don't see a rosy future
30:56
for this Mustang.
30:57
Um, it's going to be, I think I'm still
31:00
researching it, but I believe it would
31:01
be rather expensive to, uh, or even me to
31:04
fix because I would have to take the head
31:06
off, I have to locate which head it is,
31:09
pick the head off, see if it's a gasket
31:12
and then check the head to see if it's
31:14
warped and more than likely have to
31:16
take it down to a machine shop and have
31:18
it, uh, have it milled.
31:20
And I don't even know if
31:20
you can just do one head.
31:21
It, it may be that both
31:23
heads have to be done.
31:24
You know, there was a good running engine
31:26
and actually it still runs fine.
31:28
Um, is, as far as I know, uh, with it
31:31
being overheated like that, um, multiple
31:34
times over the last couple of weeks, it
31:37
may have caused more problems than what
31:39
I think, but I don't think it's a, I
31:41
don't think the engine has a major issue.
31:43
It's not like I want to go through and
31:44
rebuild it or anything.
31:46
I think I would, uh, I'd rather put a V8
31:48
in there if I was going to change it out.
31:50
Uh, seeing that, uh, Dalton has, uh, has
31:53
headed off, he had to go and, uh, hit the
31:56
bed, so no problem there Dalton.
32:00
When you listen to this
32:01
later, uh, no problem.
32:02
Thanks for dropping in for the few
32:04
minutes that you were here.
32:05
And, uh, Rene Arganard from XJTalk.com
32:08
has joined us and he says, uh, just me
32:11
and you Tony and yeah,
32:12
Rene, uh, just me and you.
32:14
It was a Dalton here, a few minutes.
32:16
Uh, I don't know if he was on at the same
32:18
time you were or if, uh, he had
32:20
dropped off before you joined.
32:21
Yeah.
32:22
I figured that, um, I figured that
32:24
everybody thinks it's Tuesday, you know,
32:26
because Monday was a holiday and, uh,
32:29
because of my
32:29
dedication to the XJTalk.com
32:33
show, I'm here even after
32:35
all this dismal news today.
32:37
So anyway, back to the, uh, the whining
32:39
and moaning about the Mustang.
32:41
So I got to thinking about it and, you
32:43
know, there's just too
32:44
many unknowns on the Mustang.
32:46
Um, I could, um, I could pull the head
32:49
off and hopefully it's a blown
32:52
head gasket and not a cracked head.
32:55
And, you know, hopefully it's a, uh, if
32:58
it is correct, if
32:58
it's, if it is a cracked
32:59
head, then, then I
33:00
could get a replacement.
33:02
Um, I have to do a valid job
33:04
and so on and so forth on it.
33:05
I'd have to have to research that and see
33:07
if, if it actually
33:08
would have to be a valid
33:10
done by, um, a shop and
33:12
how much that would cost.
33:14
And then the other thing I thought the
33:15
worst case would be, uh, the block.
33:18
The block is cracked.
33:19
Um, I think with the, after, after having
33:23
these negative thoughts and, uh,
33:25
going on and doing a little research, it
33:28
seems that the head gasket blowing
33:30
is a, is a more plausible thing, but you
33:33
really don't know until you, uh, pull the
33:36
head off.
33:37
So I got to thinking about it and I just,
33:40
um, I just don't feel comfortable, um,
33:43
putting on my eggs in one basket.
33:45
So I called up my wife and I told her the
33:48
bad news and told her, you know, she,
33:49
you can't drive the Mustang.
33:51
It's not going to get you down the road
33:53
or if it does, you
33:54
don't know if it's going
33:55
to get you back or how far down the road
33:56
it's going to get you in any damage that
33:58
has occurred will just be, um, multiplied
34:02
as it's run hot and, you know, it gets to
34:05
a point where it
34:05
can't keep going and dies.
34:07
So, um, I told her, I said, uh, I was
34:10
looking at Craigslist and I see that they
34:13
have, um, 96, 98, 2000, uh, Mustangs and,
34:19
uh, uh, it's nothing that we can afford,
34:22
but obviously whenever you're faced with
34:23
something like this, you, you have to
34:25
figure out a way to do things, uh, or do
34:28
without and, uh, doing without is, is not
34:31
a really a good option because that would
34:34
put us down to one vehicle and, um, I'm
34:37
an hour away from home and, um, the
34:41
girls, uh, our girls
34:43
have to have these things
34:44
they go and do, and I'm not quite sure
34:46
our oldest daughter
34:47
is going to be involved
34:49
in some, um, a career development thing.
34:52
And I don't know
34:52
exactly when that starts.
34:54
I'll, I'll know better when my wife gets
34:55
back home as far as how this is going to
34:57
impact her, but anyway, I got on
34:59
Craigslist and checked and saw that
35:01
there was Mustangs and, uh, I would
35:03
prefer not to have another Mustang
35:06
because I don't know, um, how they are
35:10
put together that well, although with
35:12
this Mustang recently,
35:13
I've been learning a lot more.
35:14
And, uh, then I went and looked at, uh,
35:17
the Jeep Cherokees to see if I
35:19
could find any, any Cherokees.
35:21
I was actually, uh, and I didn't want to
35:23
tell my daughters about this cause I
35:24
didn't want to get them overly excited.
35:26
Uh, what I was thinking about doing was
35:28
getting a Jeep
35:29
Cherokee for them to share.
35:31
And, uh, to drive.
35:32
And then I thought, well, you know, uh,
35:35
maybe I can go ahead and do that and
35:37
it will be for my wife to drive.
35:39
So I, uh, I called her, told her the bad
35:41
news and said, um, you know, they, I see
35:44
that there's Mustangs available out there
35:46
and, uh, there's also, uh, Cherokees.
35:50
And, uh, I would much rather have a
35:52
Cherokee because I already know a lot
35:55
about how they're put together and have a
35:57
lot of parts for, for a Cherokee.
36:01
And, um, I said, uh, she kind of goes,
36:03
Oh, and I said, well, would you
36:05
mind driving the
36:07
Cherokee instead of a Mustang?
36:09
And she chuckles and she says, no, like
36:12
that would be fine with me.
36:14
So I said, uh, okay.
36:16
And then, uh, I sent her a text message
36:18
with a link to one
36:19
that I found on Craig's
36:20
list.
36:21
Uh, it's actually out of, uh,
36:23
a dealer, a used car dealer.
36:24
And, um, uh, sent her a link to that one
36:28
and she looked at the pictures and she
36:30
says, gosh, it looks a lot
36:31
like, uh, the one we have.
36:33
It was a 99, um, sport, uh, with, um,
36:39
it's a four wheel drive.
36:40
And, uh, I think that would mean that it,
36:43
it, it at least has a high pinion Dana
36:46
30.
36:47
And when I spoke with a guy at the used
36:49
car place, he, um, he didn't know if it
36:51
was a, if it had any, any lock brakes or
36:54
if it was a Dana 35 or a cross rate 0.25.
36:58
So I'm going to head over there and have
37:00
a look tomorrow afternoon.
37:01
He said, um, he said the interior's a
37:04
little rough, uh, or,
37:05
or I should say, uh,
37:07
more accurately, he said that it, it
37:09
needed some cleaning up.
37:11
And the first thing that struck my mind
37:13
was flood damage because, um, that's
37:16
going to, uh, that's what's going to show
37:18
the flood damage the most is, uh,
37:21
the carpet and the interior.
37:23
And I asked him, I said, well, you know,
37:25
I have, I've gotten a 98 Cherokee.
37:28
I've had it for 12, 13 years.
37:31
I've done a lot of work on it.
37:32
I know a lot about it.
37:34
It'll just save me and you a lot of time.
37:36
If you just tell me, is there anything
37:38
wrong with this thing?
37:39
And he says, well,
37:40
no, not that I know of.
37:42
And I said, well, you, you mentioned it
37:44
was kind of rough, rough interior.
37:46
He goes, yeah, it just
37:47
needs to be cleaned up.
37:48
And I said, well, the first thing that
37:49
came to my mind was flood damage.
37:51
You know, has it been in a flood?
37:52
Has it been flooded?
37:54
He says, well, I don't know.
37:55
He goes, uh, I can pull a
37:56
car facts on it if you like.
37:58
And I said, well, uh, that'd be great if
38:00
you wanted to do that because that's
38:01
what I'm going to do
38:02
before I buy anything.
38:04
And he says, Hey, no problem.
38:05
So, uh, I told him, uh, we talked a
38:07
little bit longer and I said, well,
38:08
you know what, I'll, uh, he's up, uh,
38:11
North Houston, like
38:13
not quite to the beltway.
38:15
And, uh, so he's not that
38:16
far from, uh, from the office.
38:18
So I figure when I get off work tomorrow,
38:21
I'll, uh, I'll go over there and, uh,
38:23
have a look at it and
38:25
see if I can test drive it.
38:26
So if, uh, if all goes well and, uh, I
38:31
don't, uh, hear or see or smell anything,
38:36
um, on that, uh, on that Cherokee that I
38:40
don't like, then, uh, we might, uh,
38:42
we might be a two Cherokee family.
38:45
And, uh, I haven't mentioned to the wife
38:47
yet, but, uh, you know, I've got all the
38:50
parts needed to do another four and a
38:52
half inch lift on a Jeep Cherokee.
38:56
I was going to surprise the, uh, I was
38:58
going to surprise my girls by, uh,
39:01
saying, uh, you know, how you got this,
39:02
uh, this Jeep Cherokee
39:03
for you guys to drive
39:05
and then, um, put it in the lift on it.
39:07
And then of course I wouldn't have the
39:09
tires of the wheels or,
39:11
or anything like that,
39:12
at least it would be, you know, lifted up
39:14
higher than, uh, the knot.
39:16
And that gives me a great opportunity
39:18
that if I want to, uh, get different
39:20
wheels, uh, for my Jeep, then I can just
39:24
take the ones that I have and
39:25
move them over to that Jeep.
39:27
So, um, I don't know, we'll see how it
39:29
works out, but, uh, I'm gonna go
39:30
by and have a look at that one.
39:32
And, uh, I think that, uh, if, if that
39:34
works out, then what I'll do is I'll
39:36
leave the Mustang in the garage and pull
39:39
that head off and see if I can't, uh,
39:41
can't fix that problem.
39:43
Uh, at least at that point, um, my wife
39:45
will have a vehicle to drive and, uh,
39:49
I'll have a vehicle to drive and the
39:51
Mustang can sit until I
39:54
have time to work on it.
39:56
And, uh, hopefully it will
39:58
just be a blown head gasket.
39:59
Uh, I'll put a straight edge on the head.
40:01
It will be nice and straight, but with it
40:04
being overheated like
40:05
that, I kind of doubt it.
40:06
And, uh, but, but hopefully, and, uh, you
40:09
know, I'll, uh, I'll put another
40:11
and, uh, torque it down and start it up
40:14
and it'll, it'll drive great.
40:16
And if, if that happens, then my wife
40:19
will have the Jeep
40:20
cheer key to drive and my
40:22
girls will have the Mustang to drive.
40:24
And if not, then, um, you know, I'll,
40:27
I'll part out the
40:28
Mustang or, uh, sell the
40:30
thing as a whole to somebody cheap and
40:33
then they can fix it.
40:35
So anyway, that's my, uh, my tale of woe,
40:38
uh, today and my, uh, my,
40:41
uh, fun with the Mustang.
40:43
So let's see.
40:44
VW full Hawaii has joined
40:45
us and, uh, um, hot himmy.
40:49
I always forget about
40:51
how that's pronounced.
40:52
I have to look at it
40:52
and see it backwards.
40:54
It's a I'm E Hoth.
40:56
I'll thought fall Hotho.
40:58
Yeah.
40:58
I don't like that.
40:59
You need to change that, but it's a hot
41:01
himmy spelled backwards.
41:03
Welcome.
41:03
And, uh, you, uh, I guess you just got
41:06
here for the last part of my, uh, my
41:10
book about the 96 Ford Mustang with the V
41:13
six engine that sprays water, uh, out
41:16
of the, the, the little hole in the
41:18
muffler, which is, uh,
41:20
to me, not a good sign.
41:21
But, uh, hopefully I'll, uh, I'll be able
41:23
to buy us a, uh, uh,
41:25
another Jeep Cherokee
41:27
that, uh, we can't afford to, uh, to buy.
41:31
Uh, but you know,
41:33
what are you going to do?
41:34
I guess it'd be cheaper to buy a
41:35
motorcycle, but, uh, even
41:37
that would be, uh, more than
41:38
what we could afford.
41:39
So, um, anyway, uh, I mentioned earlier
41:42
that, uh, during, uh, while I was waiting
41:44
for the, uh, the Mustang to act up or
41:46
run, right, I, uh,
41:48
replaced the, uh, I H, um,
41:51
idle air control motor on the throttle
41:54
body that, uh, came
41:56
in yesterday, put that
41:57
on my Jeep and, uh, it
41:59
does not start up right away.
42:01
It takes two starts, but, uh,
42:03
I have not reset the computer.
42:05
Um, I don't know if
42:07
that will have any effect.
42:08
But, uh, I have not reset the computer
42:10
and I've only started
42:11
it like, uh, three or
42:12
four times since I,
42:14
uh, replaced that part.
42:15
But, uh, at, at last count, that means
42:18
I've changed the air intake, uh, sensor.
42:22
I've changed the, uh, map sensor that's
42:26
on the throttle body.
42:27
I've changed the, uh, TPS sensor twice.
42:30
The second time it was, it wasn't, it
42:32
wasn't an issue with the TPS, although
42:34
it acted just like the, that issue.
42:36
But it replaced that one twice.
42:38
And now I've replaced the IAC.
42:41
I've also replaced the CPS, but then had
42:44
to go back to the
42:44
original because I found
42:46
that the replacement was causing me
42:48
problems with my, uh, firewire 4.0 kit,
42:51
which was beyond
42:53
unusual, but it definitely was.
42:56
So I put the original
42:56
back on and it's been fine.
42:58
And I definitely need to replace that,
43:00
but I'm going to have to go spring for a,
43:01
um, a factory one, go down to the
43:03
cross-rejuice ship, cross your Jeep
43:04
dealership and get one.
43:06
They're a little over a hundred bucks.
43:07
I think around 120 or so.
43:09
And, uh, um, what else I've changed the,
43:14
the camshaft sensor in the distributor.
43:17
Um, I've changed the O2 sensors.
43:20
Um, one, two, three, four times, um,
43:25
three on the front and once on the back,
43:28
three times on the front of the upstream
43:30
sensor and once on the downstream sensor.
43:33
So I don't think, I
43:36
think that's all the sensors.
43:38
I don't think there's any more sensors.
43:39
I think the only, the only thing that's
43:42
part of that would be the computer,
43:45
the thing that reads the sensors and
43:46
reacts to the sensors data.
43:49
And I haven't changed that.
43:50
I don't really have
43:50
any plans to change that.
43:52
So, uh, yeah, definitely need to reset
43:54
the computer and then maybe I can see if
43:56
that's going to make any difference to
43:57
the start or I doubt that it'll, it'll
44:00
affect the gas mileage at all.
44:01
But, you know, I'm, I'm more, I'm willing
44:03
to give it a, a bit of a false hope.
44:06
The, the deep thing is, is if we get
44:08
this, uh, this, uh,
44:10
1999 Cherokee, I'll be able
44:12
to put the OBD2 scanner on it and see
44:15
what the O2 sensor
44:16
readings are on highway
44:18
speeds and I'll have a fairly close
44:20
comparison to my 98.
44:22
Although, you know, I know that the
44:24
intake is a, uh, a more smoother intake
44:28
uh, has little extra power on the 99.
44:33
I see that, uh, VW fool Y, VW fool Y says
44:38
he is, he has had many stangs.
44:41
So, uh, have you ever had a
44:43
Mustang that blew a head gasket?
44:45
And if so, how did it manifest itself?
44:48
Cause I'm getting a water coming out of
44:50
the muffler, little hole in the bottom
44:52
of the muffler, it's squirting water out
44:54
of there, quite a bit of water, at least
44:56
to, uh, to run the cooling system dry and
44:58
let the, the, uh, let
45:00
the engine overheat.
45:01
He says, oh yes, capital
45:04
letters, all capital letters.
45:06
So I'm assuming that means
45:07
you have had a head problem.
45:10
Was it a warped head?
45:11
Was it a cracked head?
45:12
Was it a cracked block?
45:13
Was it a blown head gasket?
45:15
Uh, in conjunction with a warped head,
45:17
uh, you know, tell me more, give me some
45:20
hope, even if it's false hope.
45:22
It's a, uh, a 99, um, Jeep Cherokee and,
45:27
uh, it's got, uh, 142,000 miles on it.
45:32
Um, it, uh, if I remember correctly, the,
45:36
I didn't get a lot of details on it as
45:38
far as, um, I believe it was a 4.0.
45:41
I'm not interested in a four cylinder.
45:42
So.
45:45
Okay.
45:46
Um, VW fool Y says, uh, V six heads do
45:49
not like to be overheated.
45:50
They will warp.
45:52
Um, is it something, is it something
45:55
that, uh, is easily
45:57
fixed by milling or, um, if
46:00
I take the, if I put, do a compression
46:03
test to find out, uh, what cylinder is
46:06
the, the, the culprit that's, you know,
46:09
getting water in it.
46:10
And what I was thinking about was just
46:12
taking off that head and just fixing
46:14
that head, you know, letting it be
46:16
milled, uh, taking it to get milled if
46:18
necessary and putting it back on.
46:20
Is this something that I should go ahead
46:22
and, and, um, it would just be just plain
46:25
stupid not to do both
46:26
of them at the same time.
46:27
And, and if I get to get it milled, um,
46:31
is it going to require that
46:32
I have a valve job done on it?
46:34
Keep in mind, I'm not, I'm not concerned
46:36
about having this thing.
46:38
Um, I don't want to
46:40
spend a lot of money on it.
46:41
I want to try to do as less, as least the
46:43
amount of work possible or spend
46:45
at least a amount of money possible and,
46:48
and have it get back to where it's,
46:50
you know, a, a good daily driver.
46:52
Well, the only problem with the, uh, with
46:55
the 5.0, hot him, he says,
46:57
trash the six and do a 5.0.
46:58
It's not my vehicle.
47:00
It's going to be, uh, it's my wife's
47:02
vehicle and it may be, uh, the, the,
47:05
the vehicle that my daughters drive.
47:06
And, um, to me, the, the six cylinder
47:09
just makes a lot more sense
47:10
for them than a 5.0.
47:13
And V to be full wine says you won't know
47:15
until you pull them, uh, out of, uh,
47:18
three or four V six head gaskets jobs.
47:22
I've done only one, uh,
47:24
heads could be reused.
47:26
They are known for
47:27
cracking, uh, at the valve seat.
47:29
Well, I don't know if you heard the first
47:31
part of this or if it makes any
47:32
difference, but I see no, uh, no water in
47:37
the oil and I don't think that I'm
47:39
seeing oil in the water.
47:42
So, uh, I was kind of confused and, um, I
47:47
didn't, uh, I was, uh, I was confused
47:49
until I saw the water coming out of the
47:51
exhaust and then I was fairly certain
47:53
that it was, you know, gonna
47:56
be some head related issue.
47:59
So, um, I'm just reading here.
48:01
He says, uh, the, uh, they are known for
48:04
cracking at the valve, valve seat.
48:06
Uh, water is going straight
48:08
into the combustion chamber.
48:08
Yeah.
48:09
That's what I was thinking.
48:10
Is that typical of what you're saying as
48:12
far as cracking of the valve seat?
48:14
Well, I didn't, uh, hot him.
48:17
He says to taste it.
48:18
I really don't have any, um, I really
48:21
don't have any, uh, coolant, um, any
48:23
freeze in there, so, uh, I don't think it
48:25
would taste anything, but like water.
48:27
Yeah, it is missing.
48:29
It acts like that has one cylinder that
48:31
is, uh, it's not completely firing.
48:34
It's not a really bad
48:35
mess, but it's noticeable.
48:37
So, um, so basically what I should, the
48:40
thing that I should consider is not
48:43
really, I mean, like you said, like you
48:45
guys are saying, won't know until I take
48:47
it off, but, but looking at it
48:49
realistically, I'm probably looking at
48:52
another head and it, it probably means
48:55
that I probably would need two heads.
48:58
Because if one head is messed up and
49:00
warped or cracked with the, the
49:02
overheating that it's been through, the
49:04
other one's probably not that far behind.
49:06
So if I'm going to repair this thing, uh,
49:09
I probably need to consider
49:10
replacing both heads and VW fool.
49:13
Fyze says a set of remand
49:15
heads all set to go or $500.
49:17
And that means, um, valve job and springs
49:21
and everything on there.
49:23
Cause it seems kind of
49:23
low for complete set.
49:25
I mean, a head that is our
49:27
heads that are completely set up.
49:28
Wow.
49:29
Okay.
49:29
That's not so bad then.
49:30
Do they make any that are,
49:31
um, not prone to cracking?
49:34
I guess that's a, that's just a design
49:36
issue as far as, uh, the, uh, the
49:38
thickness of the head
49:39
and so on and so forth.
49:40
Well, you said remand.
49:41
So I guess these are, these would be the
49:43
original just remanufactured.
49:46
No, it's not worth $500, but you have to
49:48
look at it from the
49:49
other, the other aspect.
49:50
If you, if you own the vehicle and you
49:53
can put $500 into it and drive it for
49:55
another, you know, four or
49:57
five years, is it worth that $500?
50:00
Um, you know, if you don't have 2000 or
50:02
3000 to spend on a vehicle with a,
50:05
potentially a whole nother set of
50:07
problems, um, you know, that's the thing
50:10
that scares me about going and, uh,
50:12
getting a vehicle that I don't know.
50:14
The, uh, the Cherokee doesn't, uh, the
50:18
Cherokee, um, doesn't bother me as bad
50:21
because I think I know enough about
50:23
Cherokees that I can figure out if the,
50:26
uh, the Cherokee that I
50:27
buy is good enough shape.
50:29
If it's not, or if something, you know,
50:30
cause something's going to
50:31
happen to it, they're older vehicles.
50:33
Uh, and then if something does happen to
50:35
it, um, I either have spare parts or I
50:38
know what to expect, I know
50:40
the cost, uh, so on and so forth.
50:42
The, um, the XJ that I'm looking at is
50:45
$2,500 and it is not green.
50:48
If it was green, I'd still buy it if it
50:50
turned out to be a good vehicle.
50:52
But, uh, just to keep things stirred up,
50:54
I like that it's not green.
50:55
It's, uh, the chili chili pepper red.
50:58
Man, I don't want to give
50:59
you too much information.
51:00
You'll be over there buying it tomorrow.
51:01
Renee, Renee, Renee is
51:04
asking me, uh, how much?
51:05
And, uh, of course I answered.
51:07
And now he's saying from where?
51:09
From a used car dealer.
51:10
Uh, VWP4Y says all the heads are junk.
51:13
Even other models used in other cars.
51:16
What do you mean?
51:17
Uh, all the Ford's, the Ford heads.
51:21
Renee was disensored.
51:23
Bend over motors, the 3.8 V6.
51:25
Yeah, that's a shame.
51:27
I mean, you know, it's
51:28
been a really good vehicle.
51:29
We got it, uh, like seven years ago.
51:32
It was used.
51:33
It had, uh, uh, I mean, it was an older
51:35
vehicle at the time because I guess,
51:37
gosh, I guess it was, my
51:40
gosh, what did we got it?
51:41
Like, uh, 2002, 2003,
51:45
2004, something like that.
51:47
And, uh, uh, and I
51:49
haven't done anything to it.
51:50
I mean, he changed the
51:51
spark plugs in the silly thing.
51:52
Um, it's been, it's been doing fine.
51:55
Now I did notice recently, uh, over the
51:57
last maybe year that it's had an issue
52:00
with, uh, the water and, uh, you know,
52:03
thinking back now
52:04
with, with what I learned
52:05
today, it's, it's had, I'm sure it's had
52:08
some sort of little head leak this whole
52:10
time because I don't know where the water
52:12
was going because it
52:14
wasn't on the ground.
52:15
Uh, I thought maybe it was, uh, you know,
52:17
a bad water pump or something.
52:19
And, but there was no water underneath
52:21
the front of the vehicle.
52:22
There was no water anywhere.
52:23
You just had to keep putting water in the
52:25
thing every so often.
52:27
So, um, I think that it's had a crack or
52:30
a blown head gasket, a small, uh,
52:33
problem for over a year
52:36
and it's just gotten worse.
52:37
Actually, it's probably gotten to the
52:39
point where it overheated and now it's
52:41
really bad, so it was either a warp or,
52:45
um, a blown head gasket that, uh, that
52:48
went, went to a warp.
52:49
Wow.
52:50
Wow.
52:50
That'd be cool.
52:51
That's all you had to
52:51
do to get into warp.
52:52
I see we've had, uh, our, our friend from
52:55
Mongolia show up, uh, order Dean.
52:59
Hey, I think I got it.
53:01
Um, let's see.
53:03
OVW4Y says, um, let's think
53:05
about what I'm doing here.
53:06
Trying to get the exit music going.
53:09
It's, uh, he says, uh, if it was losing
53:11
water for some time before and it started
53:13
overheating, then it sounds like a crack
53:15
that led to a blown head gasket.
53:18
Yeah, it probably was.
53:20
So hopefully, um, I'll have a little, uh,
53:24
a little more to report.
53:25
I'll take some pictures
53:26
while I'm over there too.
53:28
Um, cause I'm, I'm right now I'm planning
53:30
on going over to the use car
53:32
dealership, uh, after work tomorrow
53:34
evening and having a
53:35
look and driving the,
53:37
the, uh, the, the Cherokee.
53:38
And if it works out, I'll put some money
53:40
down on it to hold it.
53:42
And, uh, hopefully that'll work out where
53:44
we'll have a 1998 and a 1999 Jeep
53:48
Cherokee and we, uh, Oh, I'll have to get
53:51
some XJ talk stickers to go on there too.
53:53
Ooh.
53:54
Um, see, I'm getting excited about this.
53:56
And of course it'll be nice to have
53:57
something to work on
53:58
that isn't a Mustang.
54:00
Mustangs a beautiful car
54:02
and you know, it's nice.
54:03
It was, it's really smooth and fun to
54:05
drive, but, um, I don't like things that
54:08
I don't know and I don't like learning
54:10
about new things, not when it comes to
54:12
mechanical stuff.
54:14
Anyway, guys, that's it for tonight.
54:16
Thank you for listening to my, uh,
54:17
bitching and moaning about the, uh, the
54:19
Mustang and, uh, certainly all the
54:20
information that, uh, you guys have been
54:22
able to, uh, get me on the Mustang.
54:24
It just confirms what, uh, what I think
54:27
the problem is and re re re, re validates
54:30
the, uh, the direction I need to go,
54:32
which is basically get another vehicle.
54:34
And, uh, it, like I said, it'll be fun to
54:36
have another, uh, Cherokee in the family.
54:38
Too many pluses and double the storage,
54:41
uh, space as far as, uh, going places.
54:43
And, uh, uh, it would be fun to get some
54:46
of those detours, um, uh, you know, like
54:49
that, uh, backbone and tailbone, or I
54:52
guess technically, uh, madness has the,
54:55
uh, the tailbone right now, but, uh, I'm
54:57
sorry, the backbone.
54:59
Yeah.
54:59
Backbone and the tailbone kind of seem
55:00
like the same thing to me.
55:01
Anyway, the, the winch thing, um, it'd be
55:03
pretty, pretty cool to get, get a, uh,
55:05
get a tailbone at least to go on this
55:07
one, but I can't talk about that too
55:08
much because the, uh, the wife will get a
55:11
little nuts about the lift and all the
55:13
rest of that stuff.
55:14
She'll, uh, she'll
55:14
start freaking out on me.
55:15
I gotta, gotta slide it in there slowly.
55:18
You guys know how it is.
55:20
So anyway, I'll, uh, I'll take some
55:21
pictures tomorrow and
55:22
let you guys know on
55:23
the site and, uh, you folks that are
55:25
listening to the show that, uh, haven't
55:27
checked out, uh, xjtalk.com.
55:29
Please do.
55:30
We have all kinds of fun things that we
55:32
discuss and, uh, special YouTube
55:36
videos that we find and we put up, uh,
55:38
called a random YouTube video thread,
55:41
a random picture thread.
55:43
Uh, so there's lots of things to look and
55:45
talk about, uh, current news.
55:47
We even have a
55:48
politics and religion section.
55:50
Yes.
55:50
We dare dare to go there.
55:53
And, uh, I'll let you know ahead of time.
55:56
A lot of the, uh, a lot of the
55:58
membership is a conservative.
55:59
So, uh, but, uh, we don't, uh, berate or
56:03
belittle, uh, the liberal Democrats.
56:06
Well, not a lot.
56:07
I mean, I guess to a certain degree, but
56:09
you know, it's, it's good, good
56:10
natured ribbing and, uh, the
56:12
conservatives get
56:13
ribbed too, because, uh,
56:15
it's for her pleasure.
56:18
Anyway, guys, thanks a lot.
56:19
Uh, don't forget to check us out on
56:21
Facebook, uh, and, uh, Twitter and,
56:25
uh, you know, every week, 8 p.m.
56:27
Central, we're right here on Ustream and
56:30
also available on iTunes.
56:32
And you can catch, uh, the podcast, uh,
56:34
uh, the past podcasts, whether it be on
56:38
later Wednesday or
56:39
Thursday, uh, at podcast.xjtalk.com.
56:43
And, uh, I think we have
56:45
like a 27 episodes now.
56:47
So, uh, if you haven't heard the past
56:49
ones, get on there and listen.
56:50
We've got interviews with lots of people,
56:52
great information that's been doled out.
56:55
And, uh, you know, you
56:56
might have a little fun.
56:57
Get in here with our chat room and
56:59
interact with these folks that, uh,
57:01
all got here late today.
57:03
So guys, till next week, have a very
57:06
good, uh, well, short week.
57:09
I just wanted to say XJ talk
57:26
is the best site in the world.
57:29
And if you think, you know, a better
57:31
tight, by the way, this is big.
57:34
And 350.