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Sharri | 23 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has exposed
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Speaker 2: Albanese's deception over the ISIS cohort. The opposition is demanding answers,
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Speaker 2: and Angus Taylor joins me tonight class Trump's revenge tariffs.
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Speaker 2: They may be terrible for the rest of the world,
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Speaker 2: but you can't deny they're helping the US economy. More
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Speaker 2: on that with the panel shortly, and with our Bondai
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Speaker 2: documentary airing tomorrow. I'll have one mum on the show.
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Speaker 2: She had to shield her three children as the bullets
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Speaker 2: went flying. Her incredible story. Soon but First Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins today confirmed front page reports that New South Wales
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Speaker 2: agencies have been working with the Albanese government on resettling
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Speaker 2: the isises. The Sunday Telegraph Front Page revealed that there
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Speaker 2: have been high level briefings between the federal government and
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Speaker 2: state agencies to repatriate the Isis brides for months. Susan
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Speaker 2: Giuliani reported that plans were more advanced than the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister has claimed. It's understood Home Affairs Department officials have
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Speaker 2: been holding regular briefings with state agencies in both New
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Speaker 2: South Wales and Victoria. Members of the Joint Counter Terror Team,
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Speaker 2: which includes the AFP and AZIO, have also held meetings
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Speaker 2: to discuss the case. Now this is big because it
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Speaker 2: comes despite the Prime Minister and the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke repeatedly denying that they've in any way assisted
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Speaker 2: the cohort. And here was the Prime Minister with Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clenell just yesterday repeating this line.
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Speaker 3: I'm certainly not in contact with them, nor is anyone
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Speaker 3: from the Australian government. What we have is a situation
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Speaker 3: whereby is Australia providing repatriation which did occur in twenty
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Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty twenty two. No is the answer to
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Speaker 3: that and providing no support for these people.
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Speaker 2: And remember the very first time he was asked in
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Speaker 2: Parliament about the return of ISIS brides, he said the
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Speaker 2: story is false. And Tony Burke took a similar position
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Speaker 2: yesterday on the ABC and he also admitted that my
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Speaker 2: exclusive from last week was right that Australian authorities haven't
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Speaker 2: interviewed this ISIS group since twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 4: We certainly had people on the ground in the camps
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Speaker 4: way back in twenty twenty two when there was a
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Speaker 4: repatriation being organized for a very limited group of people.
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Speaker 4: There have been times when they've been Australian officials on
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Speaker 4: the ground, but it's quite sometimes since that's been the coast.
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Speaker 2: Now as usual, New Southeales Premier Chris Mins is upfront
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Speaker 2: with the public. He won't lie about this to protect
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Speaker 2: alban easy and when question today he admitted that discussions
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Speaker 2: about how to help the ISIS cohort had been under
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Speaker 2: way for months.
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Speaker 5: I am worried about the children in refugee camps on
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Speaker 5: the other side of the world, and I think most
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Speaker 5: Australians would recognize that they didn't make this decision to
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Speaker 5: put themselves in harm's way. If they were to return
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Speaker 5: to New South Wales then I think we need to
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Speaker 5: be transparent. The New South Wales government would educate them
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Speaker 5: and we would make sure that they were safe.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Premier is right, the children didn't ask to
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Speaker 2: be there. They in most cases were born there. But
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Speaker 2: we don't know the state of their mind. As I said,
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Speaker 2: the authorities haven't had access to this group since twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two, and I showed you on Thursday night evidence
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Speaker 2: that some of the children in some of these similar
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Speaker 2: ISIS camps are highly radicalized.
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Speaker 6: The longer we stayed, the more aggressive the children became. Here,
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Speaker 6: come the stones.
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Speaker 7: We're going to move to another area.
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Speaker 6: As we left, they made sure we got the message.
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Speaker 7: Reintegration has been a real problem. Most countries have refused
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Speaker 7: to take their people back, so the people here are
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Speaker 7: effectively stateless.
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Speaker 6: You're twenty nine, now, yeah, is this forever for you?
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Speaker 8: I don't know.
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Speaker 9: This is elect We don't relief without any issues of amilion,
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Speaker 9: any hope enough.
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Speaker 2: So the possibility for this type of radicalzation is why
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Angus Taylor wants to make it illegal to
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Speaker 2: help the return of Isis brides. Now Taylor is right
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Speaker 2: when he said this comment about the Albaneze government.
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Speaker 10: Labor has done everything except drive these people to the
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Speaker 10: airport to support them returning to Australia.
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Speaker 2: And he'll be on the show with me in just
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Speaker 2: a moment. Now. The Albaneze government was aware of the
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Speaker 2: Isis group's return, they didn't block it when they could have,
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Speaker 2: and they were planning to help them after they were
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Speaker 2: back here on Australian soil. Tony Burke's friend Jamal Riffey
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Speaker 2: is personally over there handling documentation. So what is now
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Speaker 2: extremely clear is that Albanezi and Burke have misled Australians
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Speaker 2: over the Isis Bride matter from the very start. Now
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, our documentary Bondie A Timeline of Terror is
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Speaker 2: airing at seven thirty PM, seven point thirty, not eight now.
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Speaker 2: One thing that's emerged in many of the interviews I
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Speaker 2: did is the sense that this was not a surprise,
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Speaker 2: almost inevitable, and some of those impacted by BONDI had
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Speaker 2: actually been fighting against hatred against the Jewish community over
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Speaker 2: the past two years. The oldest victim at Bondi was
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Speaker 2: Holocaust survivor Alex Kletman. I sat down with his wife
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Speaker 2: and daughter for the documentary, and his daughter, Sabina, who's
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Speaker 2: an academic, had herself been campaigning against anti Semitism over
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Speaker 2: the past couple of years. Sabina, you were speaking out
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Speaker 2: against anti semitism for two years. Could you ever have
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Speaker 2: imagined that it would lead to your own father being killed?
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Speaker 11: People remind me that two years ago I did a speech.
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Speaker 11: I actually mentioned that where is it leading? Somebody is
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Speaker 11: going to get killed? Just two years ago I didn't
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Speaker 11: know it would be my father and seeing what happened,
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Speaker 11: and that in between things could have have been prevented,
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Speaker 11: things could have been done, and we were not. It's
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Speaker 11: very hard to accept.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 2: Sabina wasn't alone with this message. Sammy Cogan's eight year
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Speaker 2: old son came face to face with the shooters on
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Speaker 2: the bridge. This is a story it's never been told before.
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Speaker 2: We're telling it in the documentary Tomorrow Night Now. Her
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Speaker 2: eight year old son and his dad, Sammy's husband. They
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Speaker 2: ran down the stairs, they hid underneath the bridge for
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Speaker 2: the whole and the documentary tells their incredible story. But
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Speaker 2: what I'm going to play you now is about how Sammy,
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Speaker 2: this eight year old boys mum. She speaks about how
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Speaker 2: she had actually written to Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi on
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Speaker 2: December nine, the year before, demanding action on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 13: I'd actually sent him a message maybe a year ago,
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Speaker 13: and I begged. I said, like, we're so scared, like
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Speaker 13: whatever's happening in the Middle East is something, but like
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Speaker 13: what's happening here, like it's affecting our lives and we're
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Speaker 13: scared for our own children. And then that was a
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Speaker 13: year ago a year ago, on the night that it happened,
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Speaker 13: I sent him another one and I was just I said,
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Speaker 13: I said to him, like, my son was there, and
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Speaker 13: we feel like you failed us.
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Speaker 2: Really powerful emotional words. Now Matilda's parents or so, we're
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Speaker 2: in a similar position, Mike in Valentina tell me this.
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Speaker 2: In the documentary, Michael and Valentina had been speaking out
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Speaker 2: against anti semitism, racism against Jews for years. Do you
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Speaker 2: feel angry at the lack of leadership on anti semitism
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Speaker 2: over the past two years since October seven? I mean,
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Speaker 2: do you think it could have been different?
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Speaker 14: I personally feel that the government betrayed us. That's what
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Speaker 14: I think. They betrayed us. They betrayed Matilda by letting
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Speaker 14: terrorist lovers take over the country. First they took over
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Speaker 14: the Opera House, then they took over the Hubble Ridge.
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Speaker 14: What's the next step? Next step brings a gun.
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Speaker 2: Do you hold the federal government partly responsible happened?
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Speaker 14: Partly they're responsible, They're responsible. Does guys were the triggers,
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Speaker 14: the Egypts, the crazies, the nut jobs, But the government,
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Speaker 14: you know, like they like to say, dog VIISLI.
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Speaker 2: You can't argue with the parents of a ten year
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Speaker 2: old killed a Bondai And there's more of that incredible
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Speaker 2: interview on the show tomorrow night Now. As you heard
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Speaker 2: in the clip I played on Andrew Bolt's show. Rabbi
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Speaker 2: Elie Schlanger, he was killed in the Bondai terror attack,
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Speaker 2: but just three months before he'd written to alban EASi
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Speaker 2: accusing him of betraying the Jewish people in his recognition
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Speaker 2: of a Palestinian state. How worried was he about the
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Speaker 2: antisemitism crisis.
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Speaker 8: He was very worried.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, he wrote a letter ALBINIASI, he was on his
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Speaker 9: spacebook and yeah, he was definitely expressive about his concerns.
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Speaker 9: He didn't keep it quieted.
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Speaker 2: The government to do more one and I can tell
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Speaker 2: you that in the aftermath of the terror attack, ALBERIZI
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Speaker 2: had a private meeting with Rabbi shlang assisted Sippi, who
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Speaker 2: you just saw speaking there, brother in law, Rabbi Mendel Castell,
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Speaker 2: and their family, and Rabbi Shlanger's niece asked Albanezi if
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Speaker 2: he'd read her uncle's letter from three months earlier, twenty
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Speaker 2: second of September he'd sent it, and Albanize said he hadn't,
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Speaker 2: so she bravely slid it across the table and asked
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Speaker 2: him to read it out loud, and he read it
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Speaker 2: quietly to himself. Now, these are just some little snippets
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Speaker 2: from our documentary tomorrow, and I can tell you that
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Speaker 2: there is a lot of new information in there. For example,
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Speaker 2: the first person who was shot at Bondi before Boris
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Speaker 2: and Sophia Germit. We've interviewed that person. It's a young boy.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible. We spent months investigating this. It's very powerful,
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Speaker 2: it's very moving. I highly recommend you watch it. You
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Speaker 2: might need a box of tissues with you. So seven
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Speaker 2: thirty pm tomorrow night right here on Sky News Now
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Speaker 2: to further discuss the ISIS Bride's issue. I spoke with
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Angus Taylor a little earlier this evening. Here
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Speaker 2: he is Angus Taylor, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. You've said today you'll introduce legislation
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Speaker 2: to the Parliament to stop terrorist sympathizers from coming to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Would this capture the ISIS, cohort themselves and stop them
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Speaker 2: from returning?
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Speaker 10: Great to be with you, Shari, and yes, that's exactly
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Speaker 10: what it's intended to do. It's intended to prevent repatriation
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Speaker 10: of those linked to terrorist organizations.
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Speaker 1: It will make that a criminal offense.
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Speaker 10: And the purpose here is to make sure that if
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Speaker 10: someone has been a member of a terrorist organization, has
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Speaker 10: gone into a terrorist zone, or has committed a terrorist offense,
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Speaker 10: then they won't be assisted to return to Australia. Now
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Speaker 10: we know that Tony Burke, close affiliates of Tony Burke
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Speaker 10: have been doing exactly that, assisting the repatriation of those
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Speaker 10: link to terrorist organizations. We think that this is a
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Speaker 10: threat to Australians and I said one of my top
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Speaker 10: priorities when I came into this role was to protect
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Speaker 10: Australian's way of life. And so we're not going to
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Speaker 10: stand by and watch this happening without providing an alternative.
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Speaker 10: And the alternative here is a piece of legislation that
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Speaker 10: Labor can support to prevent these people coming back to
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Speaker 10: this country, and sorry, the legislation to stop the assistance
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Speaker 10: of these people coming back to the country.
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Speaker 2: The Alban Eazy government's position, and we've had it repeatedly
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Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks, is that they say
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Speaker 2: there's nothing they can do because these individuals are Australian citizens.
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Speaker 2: So would the legislation that you're planning to introduce in
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Speaker 2: the next fortnite override this.
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Speaker 10: Well, it would prevent assistance of those linked to terrorist
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Speaker 10: organizations for repatriation. But can I make a point about
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Speaker 10: the initial principle you put there, which is that they
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Speaker 10: can't stop these people from coming back. Look, Labor has
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Speaker 10: done almost everything except drive them to the airport Shari.
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Speaker 10: We know that they have allowed a close affiliate of
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Speaker 10: Tony Burke to assist with repatriation.
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Speaker 1: We know they've been issuing passports.
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Speaker 10: We know they have only issued a single temporary exclusion
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Speaker 10: order which can keep these people out. We know they've
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Speaker 10: been taking DNA tests which helps them come back to
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Speaker 10: the country. So this is a government that says one
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Speaker 10: thing its shroud's in secrecy, the reality which is they
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Speaker 10: have been allowing the assistance of these people. There have
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Speaker 10: been secret meetings that Tony Burke has attendants talking attendant
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Speaker 10: talking about bringing them back, and we also know preparations
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Speaker 10: have been under way for the return for some time.
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Speaker 10: So frankly, this is a government that's not serious about
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Speaker 10: protecting our way of life.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister today said that the Morrison government, a
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Speaker 2: coalition government, brought in a similar Isis cohort. What's your
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Speaker 2: response to him, and if that is correct, what has changed.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's absolute nonsense.
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Speaker 10: I mean Scott Morrison has been out in the last
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Speaker 10: few hours saying that that is just absolutely not correct.
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Speaker 10: But this is the thing about Labor government. They do
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Speaker 10: things that they don't tell you about. They shroud what
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Speaker 10: they do in secrecy, they tell lies and they blame
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Speaker 10: other people. And the truth is that they can take
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Speaker 10: serious measures to stop these people coming back. And our legislation,
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Speaker 10: if they were prepared to support it, would prevent assistance
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Speaker 10: of repatriation, which will help to prevent these people coming
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Speaker 10: to Australia.
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Speaker 2: So what was the difference between the cohort that returned
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and this cohort.
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Speaker 10: They weren't ARSIS fighters, they weren't people who adults who
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Speaker 10: would directly linked to the terrorist organizations.
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Speaker 1: That's just not correct.
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Speaker 10: And Scott Morrison, as I say, has made a statement
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Speaker 10: in the last few hours. I've been in contact with
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Speaker 10: him and this is again, this is Labor lies, this
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Speaker 10: is Alberniezy lies.
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Speaker 1: It's what he does.
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Speaker 10: He won't take responsibility for his own actions, He'll look
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Speaker 10: to blame others and he simply won't tell the truth.
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Speaker 2: New southe's Premier Chris Mins, you refer to it a
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Speaker 2: moment ago. He said today that he was briefed on
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Speaker 2: the ISIS bride's return last year, but he also said
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Speaker 2: that he sympathizes with the plight of the children. Do
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Speaker 2: you agree with him?
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Speaker 1: Oh? I think it's tragic what's happened to the children here.
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Speaker 10: These children have been either dragged over to terrorist zones
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Speaker 10: or born in those zones because their parents have chosen
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Speaker 10: to align with ISIS, which is a terrorist organization. It's
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Speaker 10: a brutal terrorist organization which is responsible for violence, and frankly,
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Speaker 10: it's tragic what has happened to those kids. But the
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Speaker 10: truth is that bringing these people back to Australia, there's
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Speaker 10: no proposal by the way to bring them, to separate
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Speaker 10: the children from their mothers, but bringing these people back
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Speaker 10: to Australia will be bringing back people with links to
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Speaker 10: terrorist organizations, to ISIS, and that is not acceptable.
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Speaker 2: I know you won't be able to see this clip
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Speaker 2: from where you are in Brisbane. But have a listen
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Speaker 2: to this clip that I'm about to play you. It's
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Speaker 2: of children in some of these Isis comes in Syria.
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Speaker 6: The longer we steed, the more aggressive the children, because
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Speaker 6: here come the stones.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to move to another area.
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Speaker 2: So you couldn't have seen that, but the American journalist
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Speaker 2: was being had stones thrown at him by children. He
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Speaker 2: went on in that report to speak about how highly
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Speaker 2: radicalized the children had become. Does this worry you that
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Speaker 2: even young children who it looks like will be returning
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Speaker 2: to Australia or not returning they've never been here before,
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Speaker 2: but will be coming to Australia, will be could be
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Speaker 2: potentially radicalized like this to hate Westerners.
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Speaker 10: No, absolutely, So I said it was tragic the kids
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Speaker 10: have been involved in this. The next piece of the
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Speaker 10: tragedy is that there's a real risk that some or
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Speaker 10: many of them have been radicalized. And we know that
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Speaker 10: Islamist extremism is being pushed by organizations like Yes.
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Speaker 1: We saw it.
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Speaker 10: We saw of course that radicalized in Gaza in graphic
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Speaker 10: terms a number of years ago. We saw that kind
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Speaker 10: of radicalization in North Bondai Shari and it's something we
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Speaker 10: should all be deeply concerned about. If we are to
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Speaker 10: protect our way of life, we must shut the door
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Speaker 10: on these people and ensure that the hate and violence
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Speaker 10: from other parts of the world and in this case
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Speaker 10: a terrorist organization, is not brought to our shores.
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Speaker 2: So just to be clear, we must shut the door
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Speaker 2: on these people, even children. You think you disagree with
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Speaker 2: the premiere the children should it be coming to Australia.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's no proposal to separate out the children, and
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Speaker 10: let's suppose there was, then you've got to be convinced
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Speaker 10: that there's been no radicalization, and there's no evidence that
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Speaker 10: there's been no radicalization shari. In fact, the whole point
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Speaker 10: about this is Labor has shrouded the situation in secrecy.
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Speaker 1: They've told us very little.
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Speaker 10: We know some of the things that they've been doing
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Speaker 10: to support the repatriation that I just talked about a
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Speaker 10: moment ago, and frankly, it looks to me from what
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Speaker 10: we can see that they've done everything except drive them
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Speaker 10: to the departure gate.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, you visited today the synagogue that had its
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Speaker 2: gates rammed on Friday night? Is this the latest shocking
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Speaker 2: example of the Jewish community being targeted.
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Speaker 1: It absolutely is, It absolutely is.
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Speaker 10: I was at the synagogue in Melbourne at the end
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Speaker 10: of last week and of course that happened some time back,
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Speaker 10: and you know another tragic incidents anti Semitism that we
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Speaker 10: saw down there, and then we've seen the same here
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Speaker 10: in Brisbane. It's completely unacceptable and we're going to continue
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Speaker 10: to fight against it. We're going to continue to make sure,
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Speaker 10: as I said, the hate and violence from other parts
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Speaker 10: of the world doesn't come to our shores. And that
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Speaker 10: includes people who will bring that hate of violence and
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Speaker 10: that's why we must shut the door to prevent that
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Speaker 10: from happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a major problem where already face Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much, appreciate your time.
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Speaker 1: Good to be with you.
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Speaker 2: Share all right, and now let's bring in my usual
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Speaker 2: Monday panel, joining meir's former Speaker of the House brom
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Speaker 2: and Bishop. Great to see you, and Sky News' host
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, Steve Price. Great to have you both with us. Well.
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Speaker 2: Just on this isis Bride's story. The Heralds Paul Sakali
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Speaker 2: is reporting tonight that there are even some labor MPs
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Speaker 2: disappointed with how alban Easy and Burker handling this one
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Speaker 2: Labor MP said that the group included some very radical women,
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Speaker 2: likely tens of millions of dollars and human counter terror
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Speaker 2: resources are needed to monitor the group for years once
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Speaker 2: in Australia, and the MP said that especially given the
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Speaker 2: growing number of radical actors in the neo Nazi fire
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Speaker 2: right and Muslim fringes. So Bromin, I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: a very good point. You know, we haven't even discussed
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Speaker 2: the resources that will be record by it in surveillance
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Speaker 2: and the cost of that.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, and let's look at it in the context that
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Speaker 15: we have hundreds of mothers who are living without accommodation
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Speaker 15: with their children Australian Children's here getting no assistance. This
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Speaker 15: is an absolute outrage. These women left Australia, they abandoned
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Speaker 15: everything we had to take up the death cult and
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Speaker 15: they now say we want to come home. Well, no,
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Speaker 15: shut the door as the right attitude. But you really
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Speaker 15: have to ask you a question, why is Albo and
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Speaker 15: Burke doing it? Aside from the fact that they are
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Speaker 15: socialists and socialists always lie, they continue to tell these
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Speaker 15: lies about non repatriation, which simply means bring back.
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Speaker 2: So why are they doing it?
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Speaker 15: It has to be because they're courting that vote in
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Speaker 15: particularly in Western Sydney, where ministers have large populations of
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Speaker 15: vote that they want to get from that particular electorates.
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Speaker 15: And there has to have been a flashback, I think,
23:10
Speaker 15: a backlash rather from what was seen to be assisting
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Speaker 15: to try and stand out anti Semitism, and they are
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Speaker 15: now railing against it. Kaiser tread that we knew from
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Speaker 15: the Hallali days is now writing how they should be
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Speaker 15: taking they're no longer a captured voting audience and that
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Speaker 15: they should be strategically placing their preferences to send that
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Speaker 15: message to the Labor government.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: As a political issue, it's certainly going to continue, especially
23:41
Speaker 2: when Parliament returns.
23:43
Speaker 15: Steve's the moral issue too, absolutely moral question, no question
23:48
Speaker 15: about it. Chwol of them will be fine fetter for
23:50
Speaker 15: the Alamedines to recruit, don't you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we just don't know enough. We just
23:56
Speaker 2: don't know enough about them. But I've played a couple
23:58
Speaker 2: of times now that horrifying footage. Steve, this is Angus
24:03
Speaker 2: Taylor's first political fighters opposition leader and his position will
24:07
Speaker 2: be popular with the public, won't it.
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Speaker 17: Of course it will and it's the right position to take,
24:15
Speaker 17: and I think the point you just made their shari
24:18
Speaker 17: We need to know more about these people, is I
24:22
Speaker 17: always try and simplify these things. We've seen television footage
24:25
Speaker 17: over the last couple of weeks, so a group of
24:28
Speaker 17: these women and some of their children getting into vans,
24:32
Speaker 17: faces covered completely, wearing sunglasses, apparently heading off and then
24:36
Speaker 17: being turned back. Does the Australian public not deserve to
24:39
Speaker 17: know who they are, what their roles were when they
24:44
Speaker 17: went there, what their husbands did. If the husbands presumably
24:49
Speaker 17: are no longer alive, why did they join up with isis?
24:52
Speaker 17: Did they join up a long time ago? And why
24:56
Speaker 17: did the women choose to leave the country they now
24:58
Speaker 17: want to come back to. Why don't we know any
25:01
Speaker 17: of this? Why don't we know the identities of these people?
25:04
Speaker 17: I mean, we don't need to know the identity of
25:06
Speaker 17: the children. Don't we deserve to know the identity of
25:08
Speaker 17: the women and how closely they were involved in the
25:11
Speaker 17: death cult? The devices? I mean, later has just got
25:14
Speaker 17: to stop playing these games. Every day goes by and
25:17
Speaker 17: it's like when Anthony Albanezi refused to contemplate having a
25:20
Speaker 17: royal commission into BONDI every day he sort of shuffles
25:24
Speaker 17: around and makes excuses on this thing. It just makes
25:28
Speaker 17: it worse and worse and worse for him. He looks
25:30
Speaker 17: again like he's facthing around and refusing to tell us
25:33
Speaker 17: the truth.
25:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I'm going to pull up that footage
25:36
Speaker 2: when I'm next on air on Wednesday night of how Albaneze,
25:40
Speaker 2: he said the entire report that there was a group
25:42
Speaker 2: of Isis brides coming home was false when it first
25:45
Speaker 2: emerged in the kind of middle to late of last year.
25:49
Speaker 2: Because because that was just a blat we can now
25:52
Speaker 2: see that was a blatant lie. They are returning. I
25:54
Speaker 2: just want to actually switch tack for a minute and
25:56
Speaker 2: go to Trump's tariffs. Overnight, the US President announced global
26:03
Speaker 2: fifteen percent tariffs. This is after the US Supreme Court
26:07
Speaker 2: struck down is existing tariffs. Now, Australia's Trade Minister Don
26:12
Speaker 2: Farrell confirmed he will discuss this tariff hike when he
26:16
Speaker 2: visits the US later this week.
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Speaker 3: We have to make it very clear to them, to
26:22
Speaker 3: the Americans that we are not happy with this decision.
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Speaker 1: It's not consistent with our trade agreement.
26:30
Speaker 2: Now, Robin, you know, most people are universally against tariffs.
26:35
Speaker 2: You know, they go against free markets and the current
26:38
Speaker 2: global order. But all of those predicting that this would
26:42
Speaker 2: push inflation higher in the US or cause a recession
26:46
Speaker 2: or crash the economy have been completely wrong. The inflation
26:50
Speaker 2: rate in the US is far lower than in Australia,
26:53
Speaker 2: and the revenue from the tariffs has been desperately needed
26:58
Speaker 2: given the level of US debt.
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Speaker 15: Correct and the real problem with this ruling the Supreme
27:05
Speaker 15: Court is that those tariffs that have been collected are
27:10
Speaker 15: to be refunded, but that will end up in the courts.
27:13
Speaker 15: I think Trump has already made a reference to that,
27:19
Speaker 15: and hence his reimposition of the new fifteen percent tariff.
27:23
Speaker 15: It's interesting he has been an advocate of tariffs for.
27:27
Speaker 2: All of his adult life.
27:30
Speaker 15: And if you go back and take an interesting look
27:31
Speaker 15: at what happened to the United Kingdom at his peak
27:35
Speaker 15: in eighteen seventy, and yet United States and Germany both
27:42
Speaker 15: put tariffs up and accepted the money that came from
27:46
Speaker 15: the UK to build their economies and used it against
27:50
Speaker 15: England and eventually overtook them completely. So I think he's
27:56
Speaker 15: looked maybe some of that history. It's interesting to see
28:00
Speaker 15: the way it's playing art. It's not good for us
28:03
Speaker 15: and it's not good for others. But he has made
28:08
Speaker 15: a judgment that the only way to return productivity to
28:13
Speaker 15: America is to force the rest of the world not
28:17
Speaker 15: to be abusing America's generosity. That's the way he sees it,
28:24
Speaker 15: and it.
28:24
Speaker 2: Has given a bit of a left to the manufacturing
28:27
Speaker 2: sectory in some parts of the US.
28:29
Speaker 18: Steve, what do you think, Well, the US economy seems
28:34
Speaker 18: to be going very well as you suggest, what I
28:36
Speaker 18: would suggest to Don Farrell when he sits down with
28:39
Speaker 18: his US counterpart, he should tell him listen, we learned
28:43
Speaker 18: in the last couple of days that your boss, Donald
28:45
Speaker 18: Trump's going to build the world's tallest building on the
28:48
Speaker 18: Gold Coast and turn it into.
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Speaker 17: A Trump Tower. We're going to whack a fifty percent
28:52
Speaker 17: tariff on anything that happens in regard to that building,
28:56
Speaker 17: and that's what we will do to you if you
28:57
Speaker 17: don't take these tariffs off us. Look, clearly, I'm joking,
29:01
Speaker 17: but I mean Donald Trump has, as Bromlin said, been
29:04
Speaker 17: for a lifetime advocate of tariffs. I mean Donald Trump
29:08
Speaker 17: is trying to make the US economy better, not worse.
29:11
Speaker 17: And so it seems to me that the Supreme Court
29:14
Speaker 17: would that decision of the Supreme Court would have really
29:17
Speaker 17: very much worried him and disappointed him. He won't give in,
29:21
Speaker 17: He'll keep going and the rest of the world's going
29:23
Speaker 17: to have to sit back and work out how to
29:24
Speaker 17: deal with it.
29:26
Speaker 2: Just very quickly before we go. I'm keen to get
29:28
Speaker 2: both of your thoughts on Barnaby Joyce's idea today was
29:32
Speaker 2: a big front page in the Australian newspaper. So he's
29:35
Speaker 2: saying that doctors should practice in regional areas before they're
29:40
Speaker 2: allowed to be part of the Medicare system. They also
29:43
Speaker 2: said in another idea of the party's looking at a
29:45
Speaker 2: flat income tax policy, what do you think.
29:49
Speaker 15: Well, host of the flat tax, the last person who
29:52
Speaker 15: really tried to implement that in our part of the
29:55
Speaker 15: world was the New Zealand Treasurer who tried very hard
30:01
Speaker 15: to introduce it. He actually when I went to New
30:03
Speaker 15: Zealand and gave me all these working papers to bring
30:06
Speaker 15: back to Australia, it was looked at here and decided
30:10
Speaker 15: there were too many losers. It was the bottom line.
30:13
Speaker 15: So there is certainly an argument to be made for
30:16
Speaker 15: flat air attacks, and that was part of the push
30:21
Speaker 15: of the Morrison government. But an absolute flat tax is difficult.
30:26
Speaker 15: Never mind, Barnaby putting the idea out there means that'll
30:29
Speaker 15: get discussed again exactly.
30:31
Speaker 2: And also do not for One Nation as well. Steve
30:35
Speaker 2: very quickly, what about this idea of doctors having to
30:38
Speaker 2: work in regional areas before they can be part of
30:41
Speaker 2: the medicare system.
30:45
Speaker 17: Well, back in the day, Shari teachers had to do that.
30:47
Speaker 17: You graduated from teachers College, you had to spend a
30:50
Speaker 17: minimum period maybe twelve months, could have been two years
30:52
Speaker 17: in the bush and then you were given a posting
30:55
Speaker 17: back in the city. The problem with Barnaby's idea, of course,
30:58
Speaker 17: is we've got a shortage of gps in the cities.
31:00
Speaker 17: So if One Nation's trying to win suburban seats at
31:03
Speaker 17: any election, whether it be South Australia or federally, it's
31:06
Speaker 17: not going to be too popular. When the One Nation
31:08
Speaker 17: candidates asked, how come our GP has been told he
31:11
Speaker 17: has to go to Broken Hill or somewhere somewhere out
31:14
Speaker 17: in the bush. I mean that's the problem.
31:16
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's you're spot on. I mean anytime.
31:19
Speaker 2: Pretty much anyone tries to see a doctor, it's hard
31:22
Speaker 2: to get in, really hard to get in.
31:23
Speaker 15: There's also a constitutional project.
31:26
Speaker 2: All right, well we'll get to that another week from
31:28
Speaker 2: a bishop Steve Price, thank you so much. Right, so
31:31
Speaker 2: much still coming up, Steve Whitcoff Wand's around could have
31:34
Speaker 2: bombs in a week plus Peter Malanowska's comments that migrants
31:39
Speaker 2: are needed to bombs in old age. Well, if Pauline
31:42
Speaker 2: Hansen said this, the outrage would be massive. Ray Hardley
31:46
Speaker 2: would join me next. Well, I was always on a
31:51
Speaker 2: Monday joining me at the desk radio legend, Ray Hadley, Ray,
31:55
Speaker 2: good to see you, Greg Debo here again.
31:57
Speaker 19: Haven't we got a lot to get through?
31:58
Speaker 2: I know, there's so much to talk about. Look, we've
32:01
Speaker 2: seen Angus Taylor now in the job for about a week,
32:04
Speaker 2: just over. How do you think he's going?
32:07
Speaker 1: I what's your interview?
32:07
Speaker 19: I thought he was very impressive. Actually I did have
32:11
Speaker 19: some doubts about him, and I hope I'm wrong, but
32:14
Speaker 19: I think that the first week he's sort of turned
32:19
Speaker 19: things around so that we have a liberal leader who's
32:21
Speaker 19: actually conservative now, and so that's good. He's got a
32:25
Speaker 19: fair way to go and the poll suggests that. But yeah,
32:28
Speaker 19: I've got no criticisms of him, and I think you
32:30
Speaker 19: were very strong in the interview with you, and the
32:33
Speaker 19: party's very strong about what they'll do with this. I
32:35
Speaker 19: won't call them isis brides because brides is a connotation
32:38
Speaker 19: that you know, it's a happy type offication. They went
32:41
Speaker 19: there at their own volition, some of them.
32:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:43
Speaker 19: And the other thing is I heard him talk about
32:47
Speaker 19: what the Prime Minister has said about Scott Morrison and
32:51
Speaker 19: all of that's wrong. Twenty seventeen. He wasn't Prime minister
32:55
Speaker 19: and it could have been between Rudden Tony Abbott. But
33:02
Speaker 19: you know how the Prime Minister said the other day
33:03
Speaker 19: he channeled his mother by saying, you know, you've made
33:06
Speaker 19: your bed and your life now. His mum would have
33:09
Speaker 19: been the same sort of generation as my mum. There's
33:12
Speaker 19: another expression too that mothers would have said that he
33:14
Speaker 19: should pay a nate to and that would have been anthony.
33:17
Speaker 19: If you keep telling lies, you'll get pimples on your tongue.
33:22
Speaker 2: And what about another one, you can't lie straight in
33:25
Speaker 2: bed at night?
33:26
Speaker 19: That as well. Those generations, those women, they were full
33:31
Speaker 19: of wise sayings and perhaps the Prime Minister needs to
33:33
Speaker 19: listen to some of the things his mother would have
33:35
Speaker 19: said to him.
33:36
Speaker 2: It's just beyond belief how he has misled to the
33:40
Speaker 2: public over this issue from day one.
33:43
Speaker 19: And Tony Burke, his lieutenant, is there and was on
33:46
Speaker 19: the ABC over the weekend of crying the article in
33:49
Speaker 19: the Sunday Telegraph, which is one hundred percent accurate, confirmed
33:52
Speaker 19: by Chris Mins and other states and territories. I mean,
33:55
Speaker 19: you can't get away from the fact that they are
33:58
Speaker 19: empowering these people back to Australia and as terrible as
34:02
Speaker 19: Angus Taylor said, for their children, it's just terrible. But
34:05
Speaker 19: that footage you see of them throwing rocks.
34:07
Speaker 2: At the reporter exactly.
34:09
Speaker 19: I mean, you bring those sort of ideologies back in
34:11
Speaker 19: we have a major problem no matter where you put them.
34:14
Speaker 2: It's also a question of leadership. But often over the
34:17
Speaker 2: period that Albanezi has been Prime Minister, you get the
34:20
Speaker 2: sense that he doesn't want to actually accept the responsibility
34:25
Speaker 2: that comes with the top job. You know, he never
34:28
Speaker 2: does anything, he turns a blind eye into. He wants
34:31
Speaker 2: the issue just to go away. And it's been a
34:33
Speaker 2: similar approach to this. You know, they say, oh, there's
34:35
Speaker 2: nothing we can do. They're Australian citizens. Well, actually there
34:38
Speaker 2: is something you can do. Section fourteen of the Passport's
34:41
Speaker 2: Act or temporary Exclusion orders that there's various things that
34:45
Speaker 2: they could do if they wanted.
34:47
Speaker 19: Can you imagine if you and other SKY used presenters
34:51
Speaker 19: weren't here what they get away with because section fourteen
34:55
Speaker 19: of the Passport Act says he can do something or
34:58
Speaker 19: not him, but the Minister care and he's delegate can
35:01
Speaker 19: if there's a danger in any way to our security.
35:04
Speaker 19: They just say, well, you're an Australian citizen, but you're
35:07
Speaker 19: not getting your passport back, You're not coming back here.
35:09
Speaker 19: And he keeps saying this line that all I'm doing
35:12
Speaker 19: is what I should be doing. I'm allowed to do
35:15
Speaker 19: what I must do as compulsive lies, lies and more lies.
35:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I want to ask you about another story.
35:22
Speaker 2: South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis made kind of pretty unusual
35:27
Speaker 2: comment on Friday afternoon here speaking about migrants. Now just
35:31
Speaker 2: watch this comment and think that had someone like Pauline
35:34
Speaker 2: Hansen said this, how the media reaction might have been different.
35:38
Speaker 2: Here he was.
35:40
Speaker 1: My message to one nation voters is.
35:47
Speaker 5: Who's going to feed you and bathe you and wipe
35:51
Speaker 5: your bum when you're ninety right, Because it ain't going
35:56
Speaker 5: to be your kids.
35:58
Speaker 6: Because if I get my way, are you going to
36:00
Speaker 6: be working on submarines?
36:02
Speaker 2: Now? I actually couldn't believe he'd said that when he
36:05
Speaker 2: first said it.
36:06
Speaker 19: Well, if you trace his history, he's born in Adelaide.
36:10
Speaker 19: His paternal grandmother came from a war torn Hungry after
36:14
Speaker 19: World War II. Now I don't know whether she was
36:16
Speaker 19: wiping bums when she got here or not, but she
36:19
Speaker 19: married a Lithuanian, another immigrant, And the people who came
36:24
Speaker 19: to this country after World War II, like his grandmother,
36:27
Speaker 19: paternal grandmother and many others from Italy, Greece and all
36:31
Speaker 19: parts of Europe, including Lithuania, including Hungary, have made a
36:35
Speaker 19: big difference to our country.
36:36
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if.
36:37
Speaker 19: He's referring to more recent immigrants, if he thinks that's
36:40
Speaker 19: all they're doing. He lives in a strange world, and
36:43
Speaker 19: sometimes Adelaide and South Australian war particularly can be a
36:46
Speaker 19: strange world. It's rather sheltered oy over there.
36:49
Speaker 2: But you are all of our South Australian look.
36:52
Speaker 19: I played golf with the big South Australia today and
36:54
Speaker 19: he'd give an ashpro a headache. But the thing about
36:57
Speaker 19: this is he, of all people, should attuned the fact
37:01
Speaker 19: that he shouldn't be saying things about Australians or Australians
37:06
Speaker 19: that have become Australians from other parts of the world.
37:08
Speaker 19: They do much more than He's illustrated there to try
37:11
Speaker 19: and score points against Paulinas.
37:13
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you think the incredible success story, as you mentioned,
37:18
Speaker 2: from so many migrants who have really built this country
37:21
Speaker 2: into what it is today.
37:22
Speaker 19: Like him, he's a premier, like.
37:24
Speaker 2: Him, exactly, exactly, exactly. Now, ray last week on this
37:29
Speaker 2: show when you came on, Pauline Hansen had just said
37:33
Speaker 2: some offensive remarks that ended up running for the entire
37:38
Speaker 2: week without going back into them. You had some good Aussies, Yeah,
37:43
Speaker 2: come busy, Well.
37:44
Speaker 19: It's funny and now I dwelt on what I said
37:45
Speaker 19: about Pauline, and Pauline has been backpedaling at a million
37:48
Speaker 19: miles an hour because sometimes Pauline just shoots from the
37:52
Speaker 19: hip and she doesn't think much about what she's saying,
37:54
Speaker 19: and all of a sudden, now I'm not saying all
37:56
Speaker 19: Muslims are bad, and yes we hate Islamic terrorists. We
37:59
Speaker 19: all hate them, no matter who you are. Muslims, moderate
38:03
Speaker 19: Muslims hate them because of the damage they caused. So
38:05
Speaker 19: through the week I had two young fellows working at
38:08
Speaker 19: my place and I said to one of them it
38:12
Speaker 19: was really hot. I said, do you want to drink?
38:15
Speaker 19: And he said no, we can't and I said why not?
38:17
Speaker 19: He said, Rematon. He said, we can't eat between dawn and.
38:21
Speaker 1: Dusk or drink.
38:22
Speaker 19: It was really hot. So then that I engage with them.
38:25
Speaker 19: I said, you're Muslim obviously, yes, we are from Somalu
38:29
Speaker 19: in two thousand and six, both of them, and we
38:33
Speaker 19: were talking for probably twenty or thirty minutes in between
38:36
Speaker 19: them doing jobs and working hard, and I thought, these
38:40
Speaker 19: are the sort of people you spoke about last week
38:43
Speaker 19: that you've come across at BONDI. These are good, decent people.
38:47
Speaker 19: And the final thing I said to them, look, they
38:49
Speaker 19: had no idea who I was, by the way, It
38:51
Speaker 19: was just some blake. They were helping fix some gear
38:53
Speaker 19: up and I said, did you hear what Paul and
38:56
Speaker 19: Hansen had to say? And they said, look, my family
39:01
Speaker 19: actually come from Ipswich, he said where she comes from?
39:05
Speaker 19: And she's been saying the same thing, and he sort
39:08
Speaker 19: of glossed over and he wasn't angry about it. He said, well,
39:11
Speaker 19: it doesn't make any difference what Pauline says, because Pauline's Pauline.
39:14
Speaker 19: But it was another illustration I just at the time,
39:17
Speaker 19: I said to my wife, I wish Pauline was on
39:19
Speaker 19: the phone. Now I'd ring her and say I ever
39:21
Speaker 19: talked to these young blakes. This is who you're talking about,
39:24
Speaker 19: you know, when you generalize about Muslims. And yes, there
39:28
Speaker 19: are some people of the Islemic faith who we can
39:30
Speaker 19: do without, but there are many, many more who we
39:33
Speaker 19: need because they, the moderates, are the answer to the
39:38
Speaker 19: question by shutting down the extremists, and they're the best
39:42
Speaker 19: hope of shutting down the extremists, those that come here
39:45
Speaker 19: for all the right reasons, not the wrong reasons.
39:47
Speaker 2: Exactly. The vast majority of Muslim Australians are moderate, shared
39:52
Speaker 2: the same values, family values, fairness, equality, you know, everything,
39:58
Speaker 2: and we need You're exactly right near the moderate Muslims
40:01
Speaker 2: tackling this, tackling this, standing up to it as well
40:03
Speaker 2: as many.
40:04
Speaker 19: Have after Bond, do exactly have exactly.
40:06
Speaker 2: All right, Ray, thank you so much. All right, catch
40:09
Speaker 2: you next week and I'll see you right here next week.
40:11
Speaker 12: Thanks for bye.
40:13
Speaker 2: Now still to come. The armed man shot and killed
40:16
Speaker 2: after entering Trump's Mara Lago premises, and the moment the
40:21
Speaker 2: first gunshot rang out at Bondi was caught on camera.
40:24
Speaker 2: The mum who took this incredible footage will join me
40:28
Speaker 2: after the break. Welcome back. Well, as you know, we've
40:34
Speaker 2: got the documentary tomorrow night, and we've spoken to some
40:37
Speaker 2: incredible people who have truly harrowing but powerful stories of
40:43
Speaker 2: their survival, and one of those is mum of three,
40:46
Speaker 2: Felicity Gray. She happened to be filming her two year
40:50
Speaker 2: old at the Kandika Festival when the first gunshot rang out,
40:55
Speaker 2: and she captured that first shot on film.
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Speaker 19: Have a look, bye, the belief silent, I'm trying this, thanks,
41:06
Speaker 19: love it.
41:11
Speaker 2: And after that she hid with her three children. And
41:15
Speaker 2: here's a video that Felicity took during the shooting. That's police,
41:28
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, and Felicity joins me now. And
41:33
Speaker 2: it was actually a bit hard to hear their Felicity,
41:36
Speaker 2: but you were actually saying to them, I'm so proud
41:38
Speaker 2: of you. You were telling your kids. I'm so proud
41:40
Speaker 2: of you. How hard is it to watch that back?
41:44
Speaker 8: It's emotional to watch. For a few reasons.
41:47
Speaker 20: I filmed that because my husband was not with us,
41:51
Speaker 20: and I didn't know that we were going to make
41:53
Speaker 20: it out, and it was captured so that at least
41:57
Speaker 20: my husband would know that we were together.
42:01
Speaker 2: I mean, you can see if we take away the
42:03
Speaker 2: BONDI a little tag there, you can really see just
42:08
Speaker 2: how scared your little girls are. I mean you could
42:10
Speaker 2: see it in there in their faces.
42:13
Speaker 8: We run for our lives. We ran for our lives.
42:17
Speaker 20: We did not know how many shooters they were, there,
42:19
Speaker 20: were where they were coming from.
42:22
Speaker 8: We just heard crack after crack after crack.
42:26
Speaker 2: And it seemed never ending. That's what everyone says. It
42:30
Speaker 2: just seemed like it was never going to stop. Correct.
42:34
Speaker 8: It just kept going crack, crack, crack.
42:37
Speaker 20: It took for what felt like an eternity the police
42:41
Speaker 20: to actually arrive.
42:44
Speaker 2: When you were you had your two year old in
42:46
Speaker 2: the middle there, and then you were trying to kind
42:48
Speaker 2: of protect your little girls as well. How old are they, by.
42:51
Speaker 8: The way, my daughter is eight and my other daughter.
42:54
Speaker 2: Is five, So when you were protecting them, I mean
42:57
Speaker 2: what were they saying to you. You know, we've never
43:00
Speaker 2: experienced anything like this, our kids haven't.
43:03
Speaker 20: I had an overwhelming calmness about me. I didn't want
43:09
Speaker 20: them to feel fear. My eight year old's initial response was,
43:14
Speaker 20: I never want to come to the beach again.
43:17
Speaker 8: I don't want to leave the house. I don't want
43:19
Speaker 8: them to think like that.
43:21
Speaker 20: I don't want them to have that sense of fear
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Speaker 20: for anyone or for anything. I try and instill resilience
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Speaker 20: wherever I can, and that was a moment that.
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Speaker 8: I chose to do that.
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Speaker 2: When you heard the first gunshot and you were filming
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Speaker 2: your two year old at the time, what did you
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Speaker 2: think when you heard it and when did you realize
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Speaker 2: that it was a shooting.
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Speaker 20: Initially did not realize it was gunshots. It was such
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Speaker 20: a loud crack. It cut through every other noise, and
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Speaker 20: it was a crack. I thought it was a car backfiring.
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Speaker 20: You know, the Archer Park runs along the car park.
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Speaker 20: My logical brain, it must be a car backfiring. And
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Speaker 20: there was a break, and then the cracks started really
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Speaker 20: coming consistently, and I thought, oh, it must be fireworks.
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Speaker 20: So I look up at the sky, but it's still sunny.
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Speaker 20: I see a ball fly in the air, which I
44:26
Speaker 20: later found out was somebody's head.
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Speaker 2: Wow, ahead, it was ahead. Oh my god.
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Speaker 8: I didn't register it at the time. I thought it
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Speaker 8: was a ball, but it certainly wasn't fireworks.
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Speaker 20: And it was then an epiphany that I realized, I'm
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Speaker 20: at Bondai Beach at a Jewish event.
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Speaker 8: This isn't fireworks.
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Speaker 20: And that's when I screamed for my goals to run
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Speaker 20: and we ran.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the city, for being here,
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Speaker 2: for sharing this story, and of course that footage because
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Speaker 2: it captured the precise time the shooting started. You know,
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Speaker 2: the government has tried to claim that it happened a
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Speaker 2: bit later, but the time that you captured was the
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Speaker 2: moment it started. We've got other verifiable proof as well.
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Speaker 2: We go through that in the documentary Tomorrow Night. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for ending, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: So that's seven thirty tomorrow night, all right, still to come.
45:19
Speaker 2: The armed man killed, the armed man killed, entering Trump's
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Speaker 2: property and Tucker Carlson false to apologize to Israeli President
45:29
Speaker 2: Hertzeg after falsely linking him to Epstein. I'll show you
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Speaker 2: what he said after the break. An armed man was
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Speaker 2: shot and killed by the US Secret Service after breaking
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Speaker 2: into Donald Trump's Mary Lago estate in Florida. The government
45:47
Speaker 2: has been identified as twenty one year old Austin Tucker Martin.
45:51
Speaker 2: He'd been reported missing a few days earlier. Johnny Minaw
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Speaker 2: is Sky News contributor Koshergada Kosher, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about this man, what he was
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Speaker 2: doing there, and what's the reaction to his shooting.
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Speaker 12: Bin So far, we know very little beyond just what
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Speaker 12: you stated, Shari. His motives, we can surmise them, but
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Speaker 12: they have not officially or publicly been released.
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Speaker 8: Yet by authorities. We do know he went missing.
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Speaker 12: He purchased a shotgun along the way from North Carolina,
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Speaker 12: where he's from, driving down to Florida, and he breached
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Speaker 12: the security perimeter of mar A Lago. The president of
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Speaker 12: the First Lady were not there, They were in DC.
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Speaker 12: He had a can of gasoline alongside the gun, and
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Speaker 12: when authorities told him to stand down, he reportedly put
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Speaker 12: the can of gasoline down, but aimed the firearms at them,
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Speaker 12: and that is what led to them reacting with lethal force.
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Speaker 12: In terms of the reaction, I would actually say. It
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Speaker 12: was surprising to me, or maybe not surprising that the
46:50
Speaker 12: media hasn't covered it so much, which is in and
46:52
Speaker 12: of itself maybe an indictment on where we are as
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Speaker 12: a society back home. This is only the third attempted
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Speaker 12: assassination in tu Trump albeit this wasn't didn't come very close,
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Speaker 12: and it feels like just another date in another assassination.
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Speaker 2: Attempt of potentially fourth. Now, Tucker Carlson has publicly apologized
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Speaker 2: to is Raeli President Isaac Hertzog after falsely suggesting that
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Speaker 2: he'd visited Epstein's island but Kosher. What I find so
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Speaker 2: bezire is that when he did this apology video, he
47:24
Speaker 2: claimed in it twice that there were huge protests in
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Speaker 2: Australia against Hertzog over Epstein. I mean, this is extreme misinformation.
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Speaker 2: The protests, yes, against Herzog, had nothing to do with Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: So at the time I said that there had been
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Speaker 16: news items about this. In fact, it was a protest
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Speaker 16: against Herzog on the basis of this email when he
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Speaker 16: went to Australia recently, and he hadn't responded to any
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Speaker 16: of that. Well, now we've received a long letter from
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Speaker 16: President Herzog's office, denying that he went to Epstein's out
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Speaker 16: in fact, denying unequivocally that he had any tech with
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Speaker 16: Epstein ever, because in Herzlbe says he's never had any
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Speaker 16: contact with Epstein ever. And so I just want to
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Speaker 16: say that in the interest of honesty and transparency.
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Speaker 2: And he repeated the protest line again as a reason
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Speaker 2: why he'd believe this in the first place. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that sort of misinformation is unbelievable, but also kosher must
48:24
Speaker 2: have been. You'd have to think some pretty strong legal
48:28
Speaker 2: threats to actually get taker Kason to apologize for something.
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Speaker 12: Yes, I think that's a fair assumption, And linking the
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Speaker 12: Australian protests was a long bow to draw. He was
48:41
Speaker 12: presumably trying to lease together the rationale that led to
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Speaker 12: him seeing what he did in that interview. But yes,
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Speaker 12: in the US, in general libel laws against public figures,
48:51
Speaker 12: it's very very hard to bring any sort of defamation
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Speaker 12: claim in general against the media. And then on top
48:57
Speaker 12: of that, people in an independent media lane like Tucker
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Speaker 12: typically don't do that. So this is a pretty unequivocal retraction.
49:03
Speaker 12: He not only issued that apology, but he also deleted
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Speaker 12: about three minutes of the video where that exchange around
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Speaker 12: President hurtsag took place, and re uploaded it as well
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Speaker 12: to presumably try and push back against any further fallout
49:17
Speaker 12: that would come from this. So we don't know the details,
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Speaker 12: but I think your assumption is a safe one to
49:20
Speaker 12: make that there might have been some concern of legal
49:23
Speaker 12: threats along with others.
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Speaker 2: And now Steve Witcoff has warned that Iran could have
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Speaker 2: bombs within a week. So what do we know here, Kosher?
49:33
Speaker 2: We know that the US president is considering military action,
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Speaker 2: but now Witcough has come out with this statement.
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Speaker 12: Yes, it only seems to be escalating, at least rhetorically
49:45
Speaker 12: and the allegations that are coming out from intelligentsia and
49:48
Speaker 12: now Witkoff of course speaking in official capacities, we know
49:51
Speaker 12: that the fleet has been moved for a long time
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Speaker 12: into that region, and that is part of President Trump's
49:57
Speaker 12: signature style of sort of showing doing a bit of
50:01
Speaker 12: saber rattling, not being afraid to go in like you
50:03
Speaker 12: did with the Twelve Day War, but then also always
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Speaker 12: signaling to his base that he prefers non military action,
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Speaker 12: he prefers economic sanctions, and other ways to not get
50:12
Speaker 12: to that place. And he's still sort of offering both
50:15
Speaker 12: options on the table, but always saying that anything is
50:17
Speaker 12: on the table, and it seems like we're closer than
50:19
Speaker 12: we have ever been.
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Speaker 2: Time frame is still unclear.
50:24
Speaker 8: Still unclear.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's been probably we're not going to have
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Speaker 2: time for this topic, so I might leave it. I
50:30
Speaker 2: was going to ask you about Prince William's comments. He's
50:33
Speaker 2: broken his silence about the former Prince Andrew Saga said
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Speaker 2: he's not in a calm state of mind. But we're
50:40
Speaker 2: just not going to have time to get to that, Quoshure.
50:42
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining me. Now, I've mentioned
50:45
Speaker 2: it so many times tonight, but don't forget. And I
50:47
Speaker 2: wouldn't be recommending it if I didn't truly think it's
50:50
Speaker 2: a really incredible, powerful documentary. I mean, all the media
50:54
Speaker 2: outlets have done something on Bandai, nothing comes close to this,
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Speaker 2: the number of people we've spoken to the depth of
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Speaker 2: the investigation. It's tomorrow at seven point thirty, so I'll
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Speaker 2: see you on Wednesday. And here's Paul Murray