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Principles of Overlanding: The Ineos Grenadier Models and Modifications · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I'm joined today by my co host
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Speaker 1: Matt Scott. Now, I've got a little bit of a cold,
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Speaker 1: not only on this intro but during the conversation itself,
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Speaker 1: so we apologize and advance for that. But we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a very cool vehicle, which is the Nios Grenadier.
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Speaker 1: So Matt has recently purchased one on his own without
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Speaker 1: any support or even knowledge of Nios, and of course
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Speaker 1: I have driven one across the continent of Africa and
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Speaker 1: across the continent of Europe without any sponsorship or compensation
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Speaker 1: from Ineos. So we've learned a lot in our time
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Speaker 1: owning and driving these vehicles, and we have some insights
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Speaker 1: into core modifications considerations around the various build sets, so
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Speaker 1: you can know what is the best models or individual
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Speaker 1: options that you may want to consider. Just how good
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Speaker 1: this vehicle is with little or no modifications, and we
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the competition. We talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit about some of the challenges that the vehicle has,
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Speaker 1: which are few, but the challenges are a little more
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Speaker 1: apparent because the rest of the vehicle is so good.
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Speaker 1: So this is a very open, frank conversation about one
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Speaker 1: of the most important new models to come into overlanding
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Speaker 1: in decades. So, Matt, we're going to talk about Grenadeer's today,
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Speaker 1: which is fun. I've got a little bit of a cold,
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Speaker 1: so my apologies too. I'm going to have a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a cold tomorrow. But these are the things
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Speaker 1: that we do for our listeners.
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Speaker 2: That's right, We're not going to share the same mic. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: So we're talking about the Grenadier. You're driving a Quartermaster
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Speaker 2: and I randomly bought a Grenadier, yeah, which I have
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Speaker 2: actually been enjoying, and that is the podcast.
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Speaker 1: It's so it's so like we have to kind of
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Speaker 1: start the podcast with like we both really enjoy the vehicles.
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Speaker 1: And it's important to note that, like the one that
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Speaker 1: you're driving, you did not contact anios, You did not
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Speaker 1: they have none. You paid, you paid, well, they know,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't know when you bought it. Yeah they
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Speaker 1: know now, but like you know, you went and spent
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Speaker 1: your own money on it. Yeah, I got the car.
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Speaker 2: I traded my my my prospector for it, which is
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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of a weird move, but I
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Speaker 2: was tired of driving something that was so enormous. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: just with how you need a daily driver. Yeah, like
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Speaker 2: I couldn't. Like we live in Prescott and we have
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Speaker 2: this this little hodyllic town square and long of my dog.
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Speaker 2: There often one I couldn't lift my eighty pound Greyhound
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Speaker 2: into the car because it was too tall. The Mega
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Speaker 2: I got a Megacab and it was just you know,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't fit in those spots. It doesn't fit in
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Speaker 2: the spots. And the way the fold flat but were
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Speaker 2: the way the seats fold down is considerably higher than
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Speaker 2: the standard cab. Oh gotcha. And the turning radius was
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Speaker 2: just weird and I should and I should have listened
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Speaker 2: to Dave harretone. So you got a grened here because
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Speaker 2: you didn't like the steering turning radius on your on
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Speaker 2: your ram.
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Speaker 1: And they're about to say, I'll talk about that a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. But I think I think the key
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Speaker 1: is is that I've never been paid by Anios to
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Speaker 1: use these vehicles. We have gotten test vehicles from them
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Speaker 1: because we are we just really believe that this is
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Speaker 1: such a unique opportunity for there to be an entirely
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Speaker 1: new car company that its sole focus is to make
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Speaker 1: over land vehicles.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so considerably significant.
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Speaker 1: So it's actually one of the things that I was
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Speaker 1: most disappointed about from the media. Even before they ever
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Speaker 1: had a chance to drive the vehicle, people were being
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Speaker 1: super negative. And it's like, how often in a lifetime
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Speaker 1: you get to experience a new enthusiast car company, Like
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Speaker 1: give them a chance, give them a chance, and then
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Speaker 1: actually test the vehicle properly and then give your opinion.
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Speaker 1: So I just think that for me, my goal was
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Speaker 1: to test the vehicle properly and how we test vehicles
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Speaker 1: as we cross continents with them. So we were fortunate
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Speaker 1: that Inios was willing to give me unit number three
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two, throw me the keys, put it
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Speaker 1: under my name, and give me a carne to take
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Speaker 1: it across Africa, which is pretty cool. Yeah, super cool.
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Speaker 1: So we were really able to give it a throw
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Speaker 1: I would say abuse. I mean some of the road
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Speaker 1: conditions were really abusive. I'm always mindful of my vehicle
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Speaker 1: because my personal safety relies on me getting to where
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Speaker 1: I need to go, but I certainly wasn't gentle on it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then we shifted it from Africa to Europe and
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Speaker 1: drove it across Europe and I turned the keys back
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Speaker 1: in and it didn't even have a door dag, so
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Speaker 1: it's possible. And it was also stock. That was one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I really thought would be interesting
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Speaker 1: because I've never done that before. I've always either bought
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Speaker 1: vehicles or been given long term loaner vehicles and then
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Speaker 1: modified them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like, let's see what this thing
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Speaker 2: will do. Well. A lot of a lot of the
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Speaker 2: industry that we work in is predicated on the aftermarket. Right.
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Speaker 2: For a long time, manufacturers did not make vehicles that
5:19
Speaker 2: out of the box could do what we needed them
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Speaker 2: to do. So at a minimum, you needed you know,
5:24
Speaker 2: it's not that you needed a lift, you just needed
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Speaker 2: springs that were a little bit better for load carrying,
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Speaker 2: or even the tires a little bit better. I remember
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Speaker 2: when and you were probably here that day when we
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Speaker 2: got the BDJ seventy eights for expedition set. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: I remember them coming in. They came here to Prescott.
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Speaker 2: I remember taking them with the Toyota dealer.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and we decided to get some content on them stock.
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Speaker 2: Now, they had tubed tires and they had these like
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Speaker 2: crazy commercial tires on there, but like they just they
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Speaker 2: just don't have a lot of articulation. The tires were terrible,
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Speaker 2: and I remember trying to take it up this little
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Speaker 2: obstacle over in the Dells that was the day before
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Speaker 2: was done by like a like a Mitsubishi band, Like
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Speaker 2: what was that name of that cool couple from Spain
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Speaker 2: that like, oh they had it was it was a Delica.
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Speaker 1: Delica Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, they had a Delica
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Speaker 1: and like they did the obstacle like with and this
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Speaker 1: is I ended up needing both lockers.
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Speaker 2: I mean it had those things had like five horsepower
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Speaker 2: and little Fisher Price wheels, that's right, but I needed
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Speaker 2: I ended.
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Speaker 1: Up needing two lockers in this land Cruiser to finally
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Speaker 1: get up and over the obstacle. And what it what
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Speaker 1: it tells me is like there, even though we see
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Speaker 1: these Pinnacle vehicles, these iconic vehicles as X when they're modified,
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Speaker 1: they really are. It's really good to try things out
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Speaker 1: when they're stock.
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Speaker 2: I remember not being able to drive over a curb
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Speaker 2: in that car and then having to put it in
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Speaker 2: low range as I killed it. And I was like
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Speaker 2: twenty one at the time. I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I killed this thing. Like the good thing with the
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Speaker 2: land Cruisers, you really can't break up. But this is
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Speaker 2: the first car that I really haven't like had a
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Speaker 2: an England to modify, like like I look, so I
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Speaker 2: am it is. I am that guy. Like I know
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Speaker 2: that I preached that you don't need to, but I
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Speaker 2: I do enjoy, you know, messing with cars, you know,
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Speaker 2: but I just like, I'm so content with this vehicle
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Speaker 2: the way it is. Yeah, you know, I I'm going
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Speaker 2: to do some stuff on the interior, but which is
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Speaker 2: what I did.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I needed a way to sleep on the inside. Yeah,
7:45
Speaker 1: I did set up a and I wanted a fridge,
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Speaker 1: so I did put a fridge in there.
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Speaker 2: I just I just ordered one of the Goose gear systems.
7:52
Speaker 2: I'm not doing the full rear delete because I want
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Speaker 2: to have the back seats because we're downsizing our cars
7:58
Speaker 2: so you can travel more and I want to I
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Speaker 2: want to have a car that's semi practical. You got
8:05
Speaker 2: friends come over, you want to go? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: So I'm doing just like the it has one drawer
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Speaker 2: and then it has a demetic drawer. Fridge interesting on
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Speaker 2: the on the right side. And then I'm doing like
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Speaker 2: a little GP factor table because it's really cool. But
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Speaker 2: after that, I'm like, hum like, I'm good, like I
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Speaker 2: you know, I did some metal and.
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Speaker 1: Seat covers, I guess, but yeah, and and the seat
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Speaker 1: covers for me were a plus on the vehicle for
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Speaker 1: Africa because it was leather.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have either. I think that the.
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Speaker 1: Melville Moon is a huge step up. Curiously, and this
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Speaker 1: is just my take on it is the stock non
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Speaker 1: leather seats I actually prefer. Yeah, they have like a
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Speaker 1: nice texture to them, but it also suits the car.
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Speaker 2: More it does, I think. So now the nice thing
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Speaker 2: like I have.
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Speaker 1: I have the cloth seats in the quarter mast, and
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Speaker 1: I have the Melville and Moon seat covers.
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Speaker 2: And I like the Melville Moon because it does like
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Speaker 2: add a little bit of little well my Safari cosplay
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Speaker 2: a little. It's a little I have the spare tire
9:12
Speaker 2: hair cover and it's like a lion proof. Yeah. And
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Speaker 2: I also haul stuff around Like in a four door truck,
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Speaker 2: you end up using the back seat quite a bit, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because there's times you don't want things to get stolen
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Speaker 2: or fly out of the back, so I end up
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Speaker 2: actually using your luggage goes. You go to the airport
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Speaker 2: exactly whatever.
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Speaker 1: I put quite a bit of utility into that back seat,
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Speaker 1: so I'm glad that I've got the seat covers on it.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing that is a win for the
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Speaker 1: seat covers is there's no there's no pocket. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: no pocket.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So and with the Melville and Moon, which maybe I
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Speaker 1: mean there's other great seat cover companies to like escape
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Speaker 1: gear and stuff. I don't know if those are made
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Speaker 1: for the escape gear does do okay. So, but one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I think is an advantage of
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Speaker 1: the seat cover and I'm only speaking to.
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Speaker 2: The Melville Moon because it's the only one I.
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Speaker 1: Have experienced with, but it has these cool little side
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Speaker 1: pockets and I use that for the Winch remote, so.
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Speaker 2: The Winch remote always lives in that little spot.
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Speaker 1: And then like for example, in crossing Africa, like I
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Speaker 1: had one side that I kept all the maps in,
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Speaker 1: which was the back of the passenger seat. I could
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Speaker 1: reach in and grab it. And then behind the driver's
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Speaker 1: seat is where I kept all the documents. So I'd
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Speaker 1: keep the carna and I'd keep all that stuff. And
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Speaker 1: it's a very deep pocket because there's not a lot
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Speaker 1: of storage, no in that car, and I do believe
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Speaker 1: that they intend to address some of that because even
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Speaker 1: the storage that throughout this podcast, we're just going to
10:47
Speaker 1: be really unfiltered because we have between you and I,
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Speaker 1: we have an enormous amount of time.
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Speaker 2: In these vehicles.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to sound at times that we're being
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Speaker 1: a little critical, But it's only because I've spent a
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Speaker 1: year and a half living in one and I'm driven
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Speaker 1: as Starbucks doesn't now you use it. I don't go
11:02
Speaker 1: to Well, let's be honest. If I don't go to Starbucks,
11:04
Speaker 1: you go to Method Coffee. Method Coffee. That's right exactly,
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Speaker 1: which hey Joseph, and Joseph who owns Method Coffee has
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Speaker 1: a greditor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chila drives Itchila drives it every day. Yeah, I
11:14
Speaker 2: think so. Yeah, you're right. The storage is off, like
11:16
Speaker 2: the the glove box is impossibly small. I'd like to
11:20
Speaker 2: go back to kind of the general media approach to
11:25
Speaker 2: this vehicle. We were talking earlier, like it is really
11:28
Speaker 2: negative and I like you kind of said it, and
11:32
Speaker 2: I just I had just really let it sink in,
11:35
Speaker 2: like it seemed like a lot of people wanted this,
11:38
Speaker 2: this car to fail. Yeah, and I don't I don't
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Speaker 2: really get it, like it's it's I mean, it's not perfect, right,
11:47
Speaker 2: but you know, neither are a lot of vehicles like
11:51
Speaker 2: Ford's replacing like ninety thousand engines and Broncos like they've
11:55
Speaker 2: they've they've built a very solid car. There are some
11:59
Speaker 2: things that need to be fine tuned on it. But
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Speaker 2: it's funny, like obviously we both have a lot of
12:03
Speaker 2: friends that are, you know, car writers, and when I
12:09
Speaker 2: told a few of them that I bought a grinder,
12:11
Speaker 2: Oh why would you do that? They're horrible and they
12:14
Speaker 2: drove it like ten feet right, you know, and god like.
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Speaker 2: And it's also it's it's the same thing with I'm
12:21
Speaker 2: going to say this, it's the same it's the same thing.
12:23
Speaker 2: It's the same response that I got with like the Tesla.
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Speaker 2: And I think that you know, these a lot of
12:30
Speaker 2: these people that get whined and dined by these PR people.
12:34
Speaker 2: And there was two things that I've noticed recently. When
12:38
Speaker 2: PR people get drunk, they're all scared of Tesla. I'm
12:41
Speaker 2: going to say scared of Tesla because when you're when
12:44
Speaker 2: you when you have a couple of drinks and all
12:46
Speaker 2: you talk about is Teslaea, Like you know, like some
12:50
Speaker 2: of the land Rover guys, it was the same thing.
12:53
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the Enios started coming out because
12:56
Speaker 2: their narrative for so long was that they couldn't build
13:02
Speaker 2: a new Defender, right, and then they got we got
13:05
Speaker 2: this thing that Jerry McGovern gave us, like you know,
13:10
Speaker 2: like you know, with his pocket square and his cravat.
13:15
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a poser mobile at this point. And
13:17
Speaker 2: then here comes this real thing and they like they
13:21
Speaker 2: feed this stuff to these guys in the same way
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Speaker 2: that they did with Tesla, and I see so many
13:28
Speaker 2: core like so many similarities there. The car is not bad.
13:32
Speaker 2: It is one of the best built vehicles I've ever owned.
13:36
Speaker 2: I've owned a lot. I've owned seventy series and cruisers.
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Speaker 2: I've owned eighty series. I've owned every American truck. I
13:44
Speaker 2: have long term owned multiple wagons. I had a you know,
13:48
Speaker 2: I didn't own it, but I've driven patrols for months
13:50
Speaker 2: at a time, like I've it's really well made. They're like,
13:53
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a g Wagon guy. But the problem
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Speaker 2: with the g Wagon really is that they have an
13:59
Speaker 2: image problem, a reverse signaling issue, like like that's why
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Speaker 2: I was always so drawn to the G Wagon professional
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Speaker 2: because it was just more authentic, but the image was
14:11
Speaker 2: already tainted. And now that there are yeah, like it was,
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Speaker 2: you know a grant like I had, like a flat
14:17
Speaker 2: black g Wagon. It looks it looks cool. But then
14:20
Speaker 2: I also had a diesel manual. You know that thing
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Speaker 2: was cool. Michael Potterker has it now from Meyers Manx
14:27
Speaker 2: And this is the g Wagon I always wanted, which
14:32
Speaker 2: brings me to the Defender thing. I know that the
14:36
Speaker 2: vehicle was built because they would like land River would
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Speaker 2: not sell the Defender rights. Yeah, the tooling and everything
14:47
Speaker 2: else and everything you know to search Jim, but they
14:51
Speaker 2: ended up building a better G Wagon. And there's so
14:54
Speaker 2: many components on this down to like the fonts and
14:57
Speaker 2: the sizes of like the labels that go on things,
15:01
Speaker 2: to the switches, the size and switches, the way that
15:03
Speaker 2: the the roof when it joins the body of the vehicle,
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Speaker 2: or how it is like welded on top with this
15:13
Speaker 2: like spot Well it's the same thing. Yeah, the little
15:16
Speaker 2: corner protectors are the same thing. That the handles have
15:19
Speaker 2: to come from the same supplier. Oh and surprise, surprise,
15:22
Speaker 2: Magnus Stare is the actually the company that designed this vehicle,
15:26
Speaker 2: that engineered it, that engineered it. Magna Stare produces the
15:30
Speaker 2: g Wagon for Mercedes and they also produce the Souper
15:33
Speaker 2: Rough for Toyota, which is where the BMW Straight six
15:38
Speaker 2: came from. That's why it's there.
15:39
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting to me because rant's over. Yeah no, no,
15:42
Speaker 1: I mean I think that the rant is justifiable. The
15:46
Speaker 1: first thing that I feel is always important as an
15:49
Speaker 1: automotive vehicle tester is the vehicle built to purpose.
15:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
15:55
Speaker 1: So where I take real exception in some of the
15:59
Speaker 1: editorial that I've read is like they didn't realize what
16:02
Speaker 1: the vehicle was made to do. Like does it drive
16:05
Speaker 1: the same as a like take your pick, like a
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Speaker 1: Grand Cherokee.
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Speaker 2: Of course not. They're very different vehicles. It's literally built
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Speaker 2: for different reasons. And that's not to take anything away
16:18
Speaker 2: from a Grand Cherokee, which is a great car, but
16:20
Speaker 2: they the Grand Cherokee is built for like every day
16:23
Speaker 2: driving long distances, city commutes. It's minimal there to get
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Speaker 2: you to work when it's snows.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, minimal fold drive characteristics, even though they're they're better
16:35
Speaker 1: than the average, but still, like the Grenadier was built
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Speaker 1: to drive across Africa. That is what Sir Jim wanted
16:42
Speaker 1: was a replacement for the Defender that he used to drive. Yeah,
16:46
Speaker 1: and he's so it was built to drive across Africa.
16:50
Speaker 1: So if it feels a little stiff in the rear,
16:54
Speaker 1: it's because it has an eighteen hundred pound payload.
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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, people, I mean it has. There's a reason
16:59
Speaker 2: for it. It has almost doubles the payload of my prospector. Yeah,
17:03
Speaker 2: and now like AV has to figure in all of
17:06
Speaker 2: these things. And you know, I'm not gonna necessarily say
17:10
Speaker 2: that that's a negative. But it still drives really good.
17:14
Speaker 2: It's very quiet inside. You know, you get a little
17:17
Speaker 2: bit of engine noise, but I don't mind that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not you didn't sit more now with
17:22
Speaker 1: the circle, No, but I haven't the window and just
17:26
Speaker 1: let that turbot. Yeah, I love it.
17:29
Speaker 2: I like hearing the turbo. It feels it feels good, right,
17:34
Speaker 2: And I think that there's like there's a couple different
17:36
Speaker 2: buyers for this vehicle. There's you know, they are the
17:40
Speaker 2: people that are buying it to use it. Like my
17:42
Speaker 2: friend Matt Pryor that I've known for a long time,
17:46
Speaker 2: he is pulling like a Patriot camper. I mean, he's
17:50
Speaker 2: like he's going to the countries that like I don't
17:53
Speaker 2: even know, you know. I mean he's literally in Tajika
17:55
Speaker 2: standard it right now and he has had zero issues
17:59
Speaker 2: that he's raising two kids, he's with his wife. I mean,
18:03
Speaker 2: it is just like the thing has been off road
18:07
Speaker 2: it's entire life, like he bought it and then just went.
18:12
Speaker 2: I mean he's a very practical guys, an airline pilot,
18:15
Speaker 2: used to fly like jets and the Royal air Force.
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Speaker 2: Really cool guy. You should what what what is his Instagram?
18:22
Speaker 2: Wild something, wild Earth something? Shoot, Yeah, anyway, we'll put
18:26
Speaker 2: that in the notes on the podcast completing your rant.
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Speaker 2: All though, either I just I can't remember these instagram
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Speaker 2: it is anyways. But for example, he has just like
18:37
Speaker 2: he's using that, you're using it. So you have that customer, right,
18:41
Speaker 2: which I'm gonna be honest, is the minority customer. But
18:45
Speaker 2: that beginning though, yeah, that drove a lot of early sales,
18:48
Speaker 2: but that's what the that's the dream of the vehicle, right,
18:53
Speaker 2: and then you have kind of the people that it
18:55
Speaker 2: were looking for a jeep and they're looking to really
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Speaker 2: modify it. And I do think that those people are
19:00
Speaker 2: having some problems with the grand of gear. It's not
19:03
Speaker 2: meant to be put on thirty seven's and to have
19:07
Speaker 2: a lot of things done to it, like it's kind
19:10
Speaker 2: of done, and honestly like it's a like a diminishing
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Speaker 2: return to buy the vehicle and then to just change
19:15
Speaker 2: everything for it. You know, those are the vehicle modifying types.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just haven't found the like for the
19:25
Speaker 1: quarter Master. It's a longer wheelbase, yeah, so I was
19:28
Speaker 1: a little more sensitive to break over angle. And then
19:31
Speaker 1: I have the camper in the back a lot of times.
19:34
Speaker 1: So I did go with an increased rate of the
19:37
Speaker 1: spring in the rear. It's still a factory eyebox spring,
19:40
Speaker 1: but it's a little taller and a little more rate
19:43
Speaker 1: to it. So I did go with a thirty four
19:45
Speaker 1: inch diameter tire, and I'm really glad. I'm really it
19:49
Speaker 1: fits stocked. The front suspension is stock, and I'm really
19:52
Speaker 1: happy with it. Like it off road, it's great.
19:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, let's talk about tire size. One
19:58
Speaker 2: of the really cool things when you look at like
20:00
Speaker 2: the Carrillo axles, which there's some peculiarities to them, and
20:05
Speaker 2: how it was set up. They're all high pinnion axles,
20:08
Speaker 2: so like the diff pumpkin doesn't sit down lower. So
20:12
Speaker 2: like in theory, you don't need a larger tire. Like
20:16
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, it's fun to do this stuff.
20:18
Speaker 2: I like to do this stuff, but it's the first
20:20
Speaker 2: vehicle where I've kind of been like huh, Like you know,
20:23
Speaker 2: like I was at the gym last week and I
20:26
Speaker 2: parked next to a JK. I'm thirty five with a
20:28
Speaker 2: little lift, and I'm kind of looking underneath and I'm like,
20:31
Speaker 2: oh man, the actual ground clearance is pretty similar, pretty similar. Yeah,
20:36
Speaker 2: And I like the fact that I can, like I
20:40
Speaker 2: recently got a cost Co membership. I'm a gold Star member.
20:43
Speaker 2: One day maybe I will be an executive member. But
20:47
Speaker 2: like you're walking out of costombers, the tires there, the
20:51
Speaker 2: tire size for my Grenadier is just sitting there, like
20:56
Speaker 2: you know, so if you had a problem, you know,
20:57
Speaker 2: that's part of the idea, part of the ethos with
21:00
Speaker 2: overlanding is it's about the travel. It's you know, you're
21:04
Speaker 2: not going to find an obscure tire sit That's why
21:06
Speaker 2: I didn't change the time for Africa, even though I
21:09
Speaker 2: wanted to just from the looks perspective, but a two
21:13
Speaker 2: sixty five, seventy or seventeen is what comes on a
21:16
Speaker 2: high lox. Yeah, it's everywhere. So it's everywhere in Africa.
21:19
Speaker 2: For need to get a tired you can get that time.
21:21
Speaker 2: I do. I do want to finish my thing on.
21:23
Speaker 2: The last group is there's there's definitely a group and
21:25
Speaker 2: you see them on like these anios Facebook groups and stuff.
21:29
Speaker 2: It's it's the person that was looking for a G
21:32
Speaker 2: Wagon or they were looking for a luxury suv. And
21:36
Speaker 2: I think that people need to make the distinction between
21:41
Speaker 2: a high quality vehicle that is not luxurious and a
21:48
Speaker 2: you know, the wagon. The g Wagon is both high
21:50
Speaker 2: quality and luxurious, which is why it's two hundred and
21:53
Speaker 2: fifty thousand exactly. But like there's there's people that maybe
21:56
Speaker 2: should have bought a Defender. The Defender, in my opinion,
21:59
Speaker 2: is not a quality vehicle. It has a lot of
22:02
Speaker 2: Like I have several friends that have had to replace
22:05
Speaker 2: engines they have they have gremlins or they're perfect, you know,
22:09
Speaker 2: some of them are good, but it's they do cost
22:13
Speaker 2: roughly the same. And I think people are like, oh,
22:16
Speaker 2: the interior is very plastic. I'm like yeah, because it's
22:19
Speaker 2: meant to be used. It doesn't have cheap leather on it.
22:23
Speaker 2: It holds up. Like at the end of the Africa trip,
22:25
Speaker 2: like the car looks the same. The scrame is galvanized,
22:28
Speaker 2: painted and then waxed. All of the body panels are galvanized.
22:32
Speaker 2: So if you're the type of person that's going to
22:33
Speaker 2: keep a car for a long time, and God knows
22:35
Speaker 2: that I am not that person, but I love things,
22:38
Speaker 2: might be the first. This might be the one. Like
22:40
Speaker 2: it's it's just really well made and I appreciate. It's
22:44
Speaker 2: like the difference of buying, like, you know, a Filson
22:47
Speaker 2: Duffel bag versus buying an Abercrommie and Fitch Duffel bag.
22:53
Speaker 2: I don't know, ye, Like, I don't know. It's like
22:55
Speaker 2: something that's trendy and quote unquote luxury, but actually isn't
22:59
Speaker 2: that well made. It's like it's an air it's like
23:03
Speaker 2: air loom quality vehicle and you're paying for that and
23:06
Speaker 2: it's niche. So the people that are in this third
23:09
Speaker 2: group that are just looking for a car to signal with,
23:13
Speaker 2: they seem to not be happy with it. And I
23:15
Speaker 2: guess I get that because you get in a a
23:18
Speaker 2: Defender drives better. It's a little faster, it's a little smoother.
23:23
Speaker 2: You know, it's independent front and rear air bag suspension.
23:26
Speaker 2: It's going to drive more luxurias like people bought there's
23:30
Speaker 2: but most people are buying this car because it has
23:32
Speaker 2: recirculating bolstering. Now there's there's some there's some improvements that
23:37
Speaker 2: can be made with it. So I think maybe this
23:39
Speaker 2: is where we go into. I think we should talk
23:41
Speaker 2: about this. The front axle is I don't want to
23:44
Speaker 2: call it a junk show because it's not that it's
23:46
Speaker 2: not durable. But Carilla is a tractor axle company. They
23:53
Speaker 2: also do things for like the Eveco Daily four by four,
23:57
Speaker 2: which is kind of like a heavy duty printer in
24:00
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. So they designed their axles around
24:05
Speaker 2: like zero castor and and the way what that means
24:08
Speaker 2: is just think that the axles completely level, right. That's
24:12
Speaker 2: because of like the the the opinion bearings and as
24:15
Speaker 2: an inter and outer opinion bearing, they both have to
24:17
Speaker 2: be lubricated, so the thing wanders right. The alignment that
24:23
Speaker 2: I mean from the factory, from the dealer, I'm convinced
24:26
Speaker 2: mine had no free purchase inspection. The alignment was off
24:30
Speaker 2: the moment I got it. But I bought it on
24:31
Speaker 2: a Sunday, and I didn't want to have to deal
24:33
Speaker 2: with like I had just been sat in a room
24:36
Speaker 2: and talked about a low jack that I needed to
24:39
Speaker 2: have for like an hour and a half and I'm
24:41
Speaker 2: like to the point where I was like, just leave
24:44
Speaker 2: it on the car. I want to get out of here,
24:45
Speaker 2: but I'm going to take it out and I'm going
24:47
Speaker 2: to run it over. Oh well, you can't took it
24:49
Speaker 2: all or mechanics aren't in here. It's it's attached to
24:52
Speaker 2: the positive and a negative. Here's my mother right exactly. So,
24:57
Speaker 2: so the dealer experience for me was that's a average
25:02
Speaker 2: at best, you know. I mean it was somebody that
25:03
Speaker 2: would be slinging a thirty percent APR Nissan Ultimate as
25:07
Speaker 2: somebody was who sold me my car. They didn't do
25:09
Speaker 2: anything bad brand new dealer, not going to mention them.
25:13
Speaker 2: But the front axle needs work. And then it's also
25:21
Speaker 2: the front drive shaft. These front drive shafts are failing.
25:25
Speaker 2: They have a problem, they do they don't fix that.
25:28
Speaker 2: There doesn't fix that.
25:29
Speaker 1: Hopefully, no, it's in any new production because they restarted
25:32
Speaker 1: the fashion. It's all fixed, okay.
25:34
Speaker 2: But they doesn't think it doesn't get better at telling
25:36
Speaker 2: people that you know, like I have to say, like
25:40
Speaker 2: from these forums that I'm on, any else needs to
25:44
Speaker 2: do a better job at community outreach for an enthusiast
25:47
Speaker 2: based brand, which they need to realize that they are.
25:51
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a joke on these forums that
25:55
Speaker 2: like you ask any us a question and they ignore you.
25:58
Speaker 2: You know, they need to get better at that. They
26:00
Speaker 2: need to communicate better. You know, they've been they've been
26:03
Speaker 2: supposedly promising this software update for the car for considerable
26:08
Speaker 2: amount of time, and it's it's just to a lot
26:12
Speaker 2: of people on these farms. I'm not saying my experience.
26:15
Speaker 2: You know that they just sold some cars and they're
26:18
Speaker 2: used to selling petrochemicals or whatever with no aftermarket support.
26:24
Speaker 2: And it really seems to like vary. Like one of
26:28
Speaker 2: the dealers are Warner Aos in Salt Lake has a
26:32
Speaker 2: phenomenal reputation. Yes, Red Nolan has a phenomenal reputation. Where
26:37
Speaker 2: I think that there are a lot of dealer groups
26:41
Speaker 2: that picked up a new brand and they're not really
26:46
Speaker 2: fitting that concept. But you know, it would be great
26:50
Speaker 2: if any of us would say, hey, there's a fix
26:52
Speaker 2: out for this, because I know people that without a
26:56
Speaker 2: lift have had front drive shafts blow up. I know
26:58
Speaker 2: people with lifts front drive shafts blow up. And it
27:03
Speaker 2: all goes back to this front axle having zero cast
27:06
Speaker 2: or baked into it. Now like a wrangler will have
27:08
Speaker 2: somewhere between five and seven degrees, and that means it's
27:11
Speaker 2: just kind of tilted up a bit, and that front
27:14
Speaker 2: drive shaft angle is better, where with this vehicle has
27:18
Speaker 2: a CB style drive shaft with a rid Zeppa joint
27:21
Speaker 2: on both ends. They had to do that for the
27:23
Speaker 2: operating angles, but the operating angles from the factory, in
27:27
Speaker 2: my opinion, preclude the vehicle from being lifted yeah until
27:31
Speaker 2: they cut lifted, Yeah, until they cut and turn that axle.
27:34
Speaker 2: So to speak. It's an old term where like literally
27:36
Speaker 2: you would take the knuckles and you like cut them
27:39
Speaker 2: and reweld them. I'm not gonna have that done in
27:41
Speaker 2: this vehicle because I don't trust anybody to do it.
27:44
Speaker 2: They've got to fix that.
27:45
Speaker 1: Well, what they have done is put a new drive
27:50
Speaker 1: shaft on there with an increased operating angle. Yeah, and
27:53
Speaker 1: that that may saw a joint has a greater operator Yeah,
27:57
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't think that the vehicle, I
27:59
Speaker 1: don't think it makes any sense to lift it more
28:02
Speaker 1: than about thirty millimeters, And there's a bunch of reasons
28:05
Speaker 1: for that. It fits a thirty four stuffy So with
28:10
Speaker 1: a thirty mili lift you can fit a thirty five.
28:12
Speaker 1: Do you need I mean realistically, like other than if
28:16
Speaker 1: you're just trying to signal something or if you're doing
28:20
Speaker 1: recreational four wheel driving, which I don't know that the
28:24
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, the Wrangler is going to
28:25
Speaker 1: be a better choice. It's lighter, it has you know,
28:28
Speaker 1: four to one transfer case.
28:30
Speaker 2: You can find an AVJEP on thirty sevens for the same,
28:33
Speaker 2: if not less money, and it will it will, it
28:36
Speaker 2: will walk circles.
28:37
Speaker 1: Around this thing off road well. And the main reason
28:39
Speaker 1: for that, and a lot of people forget this about jeeps,
28:43
Speaker 1: the reason why the grenade is so comfortable is because
28:47
Speaker 1: the body is the width of like a defender was
28:50
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, So whereas a Wrangler, the width of
28:55
Speaker 1: the vehicle is the tires and the fender flares, not
28:59
Speaker 1: the body.
29:00
Speaker 2: The body sits well inside six six or eight inches in,
29:03
Speaker 2: which is why they're better off road because they have
29:06
Speaker 2: better clearance, they better angles. But the Grenadier is so
29:09
Speaker 2: much better for travel because there's you know, I mean,
29:12
Speaker 2: I had a Gladiator. I actually really liked that car.
29:17
Speaker 2: I had zero issues with it. Really, the aisle aev thing. Yeah,
29:22
Speaker 2: like that three to six motor has been made in
29:25
Speaker 2: the squillions of numbers. They have it figured out. But
29:29
Speaker 2: I'm also pretty tall, and I was tired of hitting
29:33
Speaker 2: my head on a rollcage because the wrangler is inherently
29:36
Speaker 2: compromised by the fact that the top is removable, like
29:40
Speaker 2: it is a part of that vehicle's heritage. It would
29:42
Speaker 2: be like making a nine to eleven that wasn't rear engine.
29:45
Speaker 2: It's just they really can't get away from it. But
29:48
Speaker 2: it severely constricts the amount of space that's inside. So,
29:52
Speaker 2: as you're saying, not only is the the body of
29:55
Speaker 2: the vehicle narrower, you then have a a rollcage that
30:01
Speaker 2: then has protective pattying around it. You know, the rear
30:06
Speaker 2: storage of the wrangler is suboptimal, right.
30:11
Speaker 1: I Then they had a submover, which makes it even
30:13
Speaker 1: less often.
30:14
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, it was a small palette admittedly, but
30:18
Speaker 2: I put a I put a palette in the back
30:21
Speaker 2: of the Grenadier. Yeah, Like that's crazy because those rear doors,
30:26
Speaker 2: which one I love the ambulance stores because it was
30:28
Speaker 2: always that it was the forbidden fruit, right like kind
30:31
Speaker 2: of being a g wagon. But it's actually really nice
30:33
Speaker 2: and a land cruiser. Guy, it's what you always wanted.
30:35
Speaker 2: Like I had my little camera case today, I just
30:37
Speaker 2: opened a little small door. I put it in, I
30:40
Speaker 2: close it. I don't have to mess with the side
30:42
Speaker 2: that has the tire, So you know, I do want
30:45
Speaker 2: to say, like with this axle thing, I'm not like
30:48
Speaker 2: it's something I'm not happy with the vehicle. I'm actually
30:50
Speaker 2: so in love with the vehicle that I'm dealing with it.
30:54
Speaker 2: But it does need.
30:55
Speaker 1: To be a dressed and that's my impression. The same
30:58
Speaker 1: thing is that the vehicle is so good, it's so
31:01
Speaker 1: fit for purpose, that the steering stands out as being
31:06
Speaker 1: not up to the same standard as the rest of
31:08
Speaker 1: the car. So let's let me just describe what is
31:12
Speaker 1: exactly going on around the steering. Somebody might be interested
31:15
Speaker 1: in buying the car, So there's the vehicle uses an
31:20
Speaker 1: electric pump, so it gets this like Nachi like randomly
31:25
Speaker 1: boosty kind of feeling in at slow speed. The turning
31:31
Speaker 1: radius of the of the Grenadier is four feet wider
31:39
Speaker 1: than the same of a Wrangler, and the Ringler has
31:42
Speaker 1: a longer wheelbase, so you're getting into like full sized
31:46
Speaker 1: truck turning radius. And it's very noticeable, like even trying
31:50
Speaker 1: to do a U turn in an intersection, so you
31:53
Speaker 1: notice that the steering radius, the turning radius is very wide. Now,
31:58
Speaker 1: the reason for that is is it has a frontlocking differential.
32:03
Speaker 1: So the and this has been always been the case.
32:06
Speaker 1: It's the same for a power wagon and everything else
32:08
Speaker 1: like that. They manage the amount of steering lock to
32:14
Speaker 1: keep the vehicle from within specs. So that way, an
32:18
Speaker 1: inexperienced driver is an off road they get nervous or
32:23
Speaker 1: anxious and they lock both difts. Now they feel like
32:26
Speaker 1: they're sliding or whatever. They go full hard lock.
32:29
Speaker 2: Left and they and they.
32:31
Speaker 1: Grab skinny pedal and there's a really good chance you're
32:33
Speaker 1: going to break the diffs so or an axle, which
32:36
Speaker 1: is why the turning the stops are.
32:39
Speaker 2: Where they're at.
32:40
Speaker 1: It's a way to protect the front axle yeah, and
32:44
Speaker 1: that is common actually in a lot of different vehicles,
32:47
Speaker 1: but it's more noticeable in the granite ere. So that's
32:50
Speaker 1: the reason why the turning radius is what it is.
32:53
Speaker 1: Is they're trying to make sure that the inexperienced driver
32:57
Speaker 1: doesn't and the steering is very slow. So when we
33:01
Speaker 1: stay and return to center.
33:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we say slow, I mean it's just you know,
33:06
Speaker 2: if you've ever gotten in a car and it's very cold,
33:10
Speaker 2: shout out to like my Midwestern folks, and it's negative
33:14
Speaker 2: forty and your power steering fluid is molasses. Yeah, it
33:17
Speaker 2: kind of feels like that. So the effort well, and
33:22
Speaker 2: then there's also the lock to lock steering just almost
33:24
Speaker 2: four turns from fully locked and the left to fully
33:28
Speaker 2: locked in the right. It's considerably slower than like a
33:30
Speaker 2: wrangler or frankly even a full sized truck. Right, So
33:34
Speaker 2: the combination of slow steering with a like it's not
33:38
Speaker 2: that the the the turning radius is like a barge,
33:43
Speaker 2: you know, it's like I said, about four feet more
33:45
Speaker 2: than a wrangler. It's that you physically can't get the
33:49
Speaker 2: wheel turned fast enough for like pulling into a parking spot.
33:53
Speaker 2: So that's where you end up doing this three point
33:56
Speaker 2: turn because you're trying to You're trying to turn a
33:58
Speaker 2: pot of molasses, and what you're turning with isn't super great.
34:02
Speaker 1: And if you turn, if you do a U turn
34:04
Speaker 1: in an intersection, you need to accelerate for some reason
34:06
Speaker 1: to save your life or whatever. Like the steering is
34:10
Speaker 1: slow to return to center, so a most steering will
34:15
Speaker 1: like kind of naturally spin back to a center state.
34:18
Speaker 1: And that's mostly dictated by toe to a lesser big recast.
34:23
Speaker 1: So toe and caster are things that are set by
34:27
Speaker 1: the factory that don't lend themselves towards optimo steering performance
34:31
Speaker 1: with what the vehicle has, so an owner may choose
34:35
Speaker 1: to make some changes to that that may improve.
34:37
Speaker 2: The overall steering. I went to a little over two
34:41
Speaker 2: degrees of castor on mine, and it significantly improved how
34:45
Speaker 2: the vehicle tracked. We didn't adjust toe. That's something that
34:49
Speaker 2: I do need to work on. But like the toe
34:53
Speaker 2: just helps center everything. It's almost like your skiing right.
34:56
Speaker 2: You wouldn't ski with the tips of your skis pointed
34:59
Speaker 2: away because then your legs would go in different directions
35:02
Speaker 2: or even just perfectly straight, because then you're gonna you're
35:05
Speaker 2: gonna kind of be a lot of susceptible. You want
35:07
Speaker 2: a little bit of those those those tips pointed in
35:09
Speaker 2: because it's a little bit of stability, that's right, But
35:12
Speaker 2: you know, I mean that kind of it does add.
35:13
Speaker 1: Stability, and it also adds to directness make it helps
35:17
Speaker 1: the vehicle handle more directly and more predictably. So, but
35:23
Speaker 1: we have to give the other side of the coin.
35:25
Speaker 1: Off road, like which I've done thousands and thousands and thousands.
35:29
Speaker 2: Of kilometers off road at the Grenadier. The steering is fantastic.
35:33
Speaker 1: It's really solid, it doesn't kick back, it feels really strong,
35:39
Speaker 1: and I've hit some stuff harder than I should have.
35:41
Speaker 2: So the steering off road is low fatigue. It's it
35:46
Speaker 2: feels really confidence inspiring.
35:48
Speaker 1: It feels very durable, and it is very durable because
35:50
Speaker 1: they didn't have any issues if you look at the
35:52
Speaker 1: steering components underneath the size of a full sized truck.
35:56
Speaker 2: I just bought the tools to kind of start messing with,
36:00
Speaker 2: like my drag link and some of the things. The
36:04
Speaker 2: locknut on the drag link is forty six millimeters exactly
36:08
Speaker 2: like I looked on snap on and it was the
36:10
Speaker 2: cost of a firstborn, So I like got some am
36:13
Speaker 2: some you know, a little what do they call those?
36:15
Speaker 2: They're just like just the wrench head crazy over built. Yeah,
36:19
Speaker 2: I mean like I haven't f five to fifty in
36:21
Speaker 2: my garage with the earth Romer, and it's bigger than that, yes, exactly,
36:24
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's considerable. I also have this suspicion,
36:27
Speaker 2: I don't have that many miles on mine, but I
36:30
Speaker 2: have this suspicion that the components are starting to kind
36:33
Speaker 2: of wear in, and the steering feels getting a little
36:38
Speaker 2: bit better, like it's very tight, like almost like the
36:41
Speaker 2: pre load on it. You know, this isn't I'm not
36:44
Speaker 2: sinistic factor, but it feels like the pre load on
36:47
Speaker 2: everything is very tight. But that's also how like you're
36:50
Speaker 2: going to get along service life's I think they were
36:53
Speaker 2: aiming for a twenty five year usable service life, which
36:56
Speaker 2: is also the specification of the heavy duty land cruisers,
37:01
Speaker 2: so that is the seventies series.
37:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like, after having crossed two continents with
37:07
Speaker 1: the Grenadier, the steering felt better than the day that
37:10
Speaker 1: I got the car. So it really does, it really
37:14
Speaker 1: does hold up. There's a lot of durability there it
37:17
Speaker 1: is a great steering feel off road. I'd like the
37:22
Speaker 1: turning radius to improve off road. But we're we're talking
37:26
Speaker 1: about this because it's really important that we are being
37:29
Speaker 1: fair and balanced, despite the fact that Matt and I
37:33
Speaker 1: both really enjoy the car. Yeah, and it would be
37:36
Speaker 1: either this. I mean, I think of the vehicles that
37:39
Speaker 1: I would want to buy, it would either be a Grenadier,
37:41
Speaker 1: or it would be like an AT four X Canyon,
37:45
Speaker 1: or it would be the Rivian R one s like
37:48
Speaker 1: those are, like, those are the three cars that I
37:50
Speaker 1: would consider buying.
37:51
Speaker 2: Those were the three cars I was looking at. But yeah,
37:53
Speaker 2: but I already had an entire pickup trucks.
37:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so, but like they like, the Grenadier for
37:59
Speaker 1: me is a vehicle that I recommend frequently to people,
38:04
Speaker 1: and people like Matt, people like me that crossed Africa.
38:07
Speaker 1: Like we're having like Matt pryor you know, we're having
38:10
Speaker 1: good success with them on long trips. Yeah, so they're
38:13
Speaker 1: holding up.
38:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I again, I'm not trying to be
38:17
Speaker 2: like negative on the vehicle. It's just that it's so close, Yeah,
38:24
Speaker 2: that it's almost like frustrating, you know it to me.
38:30
Speaker 1: Maybe someone's gonna someone's gonna figure it out. The aftermark
38:33
Speaker 1: is gonna figure out the steering, and then of course
38:35
Speaker 1: anios will figure out the steering.
38:37
Speaker 2: You know, like there's a there's yeah, it it. It's
38:41
Speaker 2: like the best way maybe I would say, is it's
38:44
Speaker 2: like the car has a track alignment, like if you
38:46
Speaker 2: drive a race car in the parking lot to get
38:50
Speaker 2: to the track. I mean little bumps that you cannot
38:54
Speaker 2: even like see without like a level or something. They
38:58
Speaker 2: move the steering. You wouldn't want that on the road,
39:00
Speaker 2: and I think ineos went too far biased towards off road.
39:06
Speaker 2: You know, this should maybe be an optional alignment. But
39:09
Speaker 2: they need to you know, this isn't a joke. They
39:11
Speaker 2: need to return to center, you know. Well, and also
39:15
Speaker 2: like there are other vehicles, there's wranglers that are solid
39:19
Speaker 2: from the axle, there are you know, obviously the G Wagon,
39:22
Speaker 2: the GW Wagon that I own, which was thirty years
39:25
Speaker 2: older than it, drives a lot like a Gwagon. I
39:28
Speaker 2: remember the first time the turning radius and the return
39:31
Speaker 2: to center was the g doesn't even have that great
39:34
Speaker 2: of a turney radius, like it's a bit, it's a
39:36
Speaker 2: The steering is also very slow. It's also a bit cumbersome,
39:40
Speaker 2: but it's still somehow but it's better better. So yeah,
39:42
Speaker 2: it's like and it's thirteen. They've been making this since
39:44
Speaker 2: the seventies. They exactly the car is the Grenadier is
39:49
Speaker 2: so close. Yeah right, there's some things in the software,
39:53
Speaker 2: you know. At first I was like, oh, the infotainment
39:55
Speaker 2: is laggy or buggy. I actually, I'll actually take that back.
40:00
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's laggy or buggy. It's just
40:03
Speaker 2: that they're a small company, and so that the most
40:08
Speaker 2: annoying thing about it is the it's the speed warnings.
40:13
Speaker 2: So for twenty twenty four in Europe, for European market vehicles,
40:18
Speaker 2: they have these mandatory aid AS systems, Advanced driver Assistance systems.
40:23
Speaker 2: So these are the things like like my wife, Subaru
40:26
Speaker 2: has it, and I'm sure you can turn it off,
40:28
Speaker 2: but you never do. You're a little too close to
40:30
Speaker 2: the white line. And then but the annoying thing is
40:36
Speaker 2: the vicious speed alert system or speed warning whatever they
40:41
Speaker 2: call it. You go fifty five point one miles per
40:45
Speaker 2: hour and it starts dinging at it, so you can
40:49
Speaker 2: and my dealer actually did pre program this. It's like
40:51
Speaker 2: a click click, the favorite button, you go there and
40:55
Speaker 2: that favorite button's a little laggy. Sometimes it doesn't pull
40:59
Speaker 2: up where you can turn off, and you have to
41:01
Speaker 2: turn off. It's part of getting in the car. That's
41:03
Speaker 2: another one of the things where you know, whether that's
41:06
Speaker 2: dealers that are promising this to people and car dealers
41:09
Speaker 2: or car car dealers like used car salesman is a
41:13
Speaker 2: used car salesman as a joke for a reason, you know,
41:16
Speaker 2: but it we're going on a year of them not
41:21
Speaker 2: fixing this problem for the US market and there's no
41:24
Speaker 2: communication on it. So then when when a company isn't communicating,
41:30
Speaker 2: then people start to make they fill in the gap. Right.
41:34
Speaker 2: So then with that, you know kind of where I
41:38
Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, these these user groups, and granted,
41:41
Speaker 2: whenever you have a user group, people go there when
41:43
Speaker 2: they have a problem, they go there when they want
41:46
Speaker 2: to complain and they want to vent. Again, I think
41:48
Speaker 2: a lot of it's dealer dependent. There's good dealers, there's
41:52
Speaker 2: dealers that need to get better. They need to communicate, Hey,
41:55
Speaker 2: we're either going to fix this or we're not. Because
41:58
Speaker 2: it's been so long of it not being fixed. Then
42:03
Speaker 2: again that concept of where it feels to some that
42:08
Speaker 2: Anios is ignoring the end user. That's where it starts
42:13
Speaker 2: to come out.
42:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder how much of that was from
42:17
Speaker 1: the production pause that they had to do. And and yeah,
42:20
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. I mean, fortunately, there's a there's
42:23
Speaker 1: a bunch of of you know, positive news in the
42:26
Speaker 1: sense that you know, the core Master will be here soon.
42:30
Speaker 2: The US started, the US starting to hit dealers.
42:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the US market has totally exceeded their expectations.
42:37
Speaker 1: So again, like poor information, people will be like, oh,
42:41
Speaker 1: there's so many renadiers on this lot, they must not
42:43
Speaker 1: be selling.
42:44
Speaker 2: It's that's false. Anyone who's told you that is lying. Yeah,
42:48
Speaker 2: it's the fact that the US is doing so well.
42:51
Speaker 2: They're sending more, They're sending more here. So the US
42:54
Speaker 2: market has performed very well. And I'm excited by the
42:58
Speaker 2: fact that a vehicle that's built for overlanding is going
43:01
Speaker 2: to sell nearly ten thousand units in the first year.
43:05
Speaker 2: So that's pretty They're about to deliver their twenty fifth thousand,
43:09
Speaker 2: and Mercedes sells twenty five thousand g wagons a year. Yeah, exactly,
43:13
Speaker 2: so you know that's that's significant. I I'm just I'm
43:17
Speaker 2: just so like I I got this right at the
43:22
Speaker 2: time that I bought one of the new carera at
43:24
Speaker 2: nine eleven Careerra teas. Yeah, and it totally stole the
43:28
Speaker 2: thunder from the nine to eleven. Like I actually like,
43:32
Speaker 2: like I have these two amazing cars, and it's like,
43:35
Speaker 2: what am I going to drive today? And I'm picking
43:37
Speaker 2: the Grenadier more than the nine to eleven. Yeah, Like what? Yeah,
43:41
Speaker 2: Like that's so weird.
43:42
Speaker 1: It's charming, it's just it's just and it's nice to
43:45
Speaker 1: have in The nine to eleven is the same way.
43:48
Speaker 1: Both of those cars are built to purpose. Yeah, but
43:50
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven is a great you can drive
43:53
Speaker 1: it every day, but you can also go run it
43:55
Speaker 1: on track.
43:55
Speaker 2: And they're similar in ethos in a lot of ways, right,
43:59
Speaker 2: they're enthusiasts are a little bit different, Like you don't want, yeah,
44:03
Speaker 2: like you know if you want, I mean the nine
44:06
Speaker 2: to eleven is very well engineered and it's it's very
44:10
Speaker 2: well developed as a product. I mean, the Grenadiers that
44:15
Speaker 2: year want version one point, right, So so you know
44:20
Speaker 2: the axle is going to be a quick fix. You're
44:23
Speaker 2: going to sort all that stuff out and then you're
44:26
Speaker 2: gonna have this wonderful, charming car like it where I
44:31
Speaker 2: was kind of saying, like, I know that the lineage
44:34
Speaker 2: of this kind of maybe starts with the Defender, Right
44:37
Speaker 2: you go to the Grenadier's pub and in in London,
44:41
Speaker 2: and you know he's still got pictures next to the
44:44
Speaker 2: Grenadier of his defenders. Right. Emotionally, I haven't had a
44:48
Speaker 2: car that has like tickled my fancy this much, honestly,
44:53
Speaker 2: maybe since my last land Rover. Stuff. You know, it
44:55
Speaker 2: it is a it's a it's it's charming. I like
45:01
Speaker 2: also that people don't really know what it is, so
45:06
Speaker 2: like do you remember like fifteen years ago in the US,
45:09
Speaker 2: most people think it's a GW Wagon. Yeah, Like, but
45:11
Speaker 2: you remember like all that time ago when overlanding was
45:14
Speaker 2: kind of a novelty, you know, and you'd be driving
45:17
Speaker 2: something and you're kind of like, like the car had purpose,
45:20
Speaker 2: Like the Grenadier has purpose, and it has that same
45:23
Speaker 2: like curiosity, It has the same like I get in it,
45:28
Speaker 2: and there's a bit of wander lust where some cars
45:32
Speaker 2: have become so vanilla in their approach that the emotion
45:38
Speaker 2: can kind of like it was always the argument for Toyota.
45:41
Speaker 1: And that's what happens when something loses its authenticity. So
45:45
Speaker 1: I think that that's the reason why nine to eleven
45:47
Speaker 1: is so charming, is because it's a very authentic vehicle.
45:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very much true.
45:52
Speaker 1: Like if you go get in, if you get in
45:53
Speaker 1: a super duty, it feels often it feels like it's
45:57
Speaker 1: built to.
45:58
Speaker 2: Do what it's doing.
45:59
Speaker 1: And and I just like the fact that you get
46:02
Speaker 1: an aggretted here and there isn't fake wood. Yeah, Like
46:04
Speaker 1: they didn't spend money trying to signal something that's fake,
46:08
Speaker 1: Like there's not, whereas like that's unfortunate. Like the direction
46:12
Speaker 1: of the Jerry mcgoverns of the world is like, let's
46:15
Speaker 1: make things that signal as opposed to perform, and we
46:20
Speaker 1: need things. I want things that perform. I want things
46:24
Speaker 1: that do a job.
46:24
Speaker 2: It's it's it's just that whole like the car seems
46:27
Speaker 2: to subscribe to that by once cry once mantra totally
46:32
Speaker 2: it is. I mean from first interaction with it, you
46:36
Speaker 2: are quite aware that it is built solidly. Yeah, I
46:41
Speaker 2: mean it's pre wired to the roof rack for lights.
46:45
Speaker 2: If you get the high load auxiliary switchy, yes, do exactly.
46:51
Speaker 2: Mine's pretty base, right, So maybe that's just I have lockers.
46:55
Speaker 2: I basically I want an instant gratification. At least you
47:00
Speaker 2: pick the right color, like I love I got the
47:03
Speaker 2: Scottish white, so it just it just fits the car,
47:05
Speaker 2: like to me, steel wheels, land Cruiser, Defender. You know,
47:11
Speaker 2: visions of Africa, they're always white, They're always white. I
47:16
Speaker 2: think the magic mushroom that you have is really really
47:18
Speaker 2: cool too. If there was a magic mushroom, you know,
47:21
Speaker 2: maybe I would have gone for that. But this is
47:25
Speaker 2: what we managed. This is what it would have been bad.
47:27
Speaker 2: As background on that, Scott and I tend to buy
47:29
Speaker 2: the same clothes. Well, we bought separately. We bought, you know,
47:34
Speaker 2: a Moonwatch on the same exact day without each other knowing. Yeah,
47:37
Speaker 2: that's super obscure. It's bad. So mine is not a
47:42
Speaker 2: trial master. It is not a field master. Initially I
47:46
Speaker 2: was kind of like, you know, like I mean, I
47:49
Speaker 2: think Bellstaff's cool. I think Sir Jim also bought bell Staff,
47:54
Speaker 2: which is cool because it was kind of it it's
47:57
Speaker 2: back on course like bell Staff was again that heirloom.
48:02
Speaker 2: You know, it's a jacket that you would buy and
48:03
Speaker 2: you wear for twenty years, and it was cool to
48:06
Speaker 2: have it with Patina. Right. So I didn't though, really
48:11
Speaker 2: like the bell Staff thing because it was like, man,
48:17
Speaker 2: how do you say it? Like it just didn't feel
48:20
Speaker 2: right for the car, you know, like I it's it's
48:25
Speaker 2: you know, bell Staff's expective. It's a luxury brander. So
48:27
Speaker 2: then you're trying to like buy the luxury signaling version
48:31
Speaker 2: of the thing that's meant to be the utility thing.
48:35
Speaker 2: And I was a little conflicted on that as first.
48:37
Speaker 2: I don't have as much of a problem with it
48:40
Speaker 2: now as I did because I realized that the things
48:44
Speaker 2: that the trial Master comes with, it's a good spec yeah,
48:49
Speaker 2: basically right, like you could pretty much go to the Quartermasters.
48:53
Speaker 2: You really could go get a trial Master Grenadier. And
48:57
Speaker 2: when I say Grenader, I made Quartermaster too. It's kind
48:59
Speaker 2: of Wrangler Gladiator that would be the car you'd want
49:02
Speaker 2: to you'd want to drive. I do not have the
49:04
Speaker 2: auxiliary battery. I wish I had it. I don't have
49:07
Speaker 2: the high load switches, you know, do what I really
49:12
Speaker 2: need it. I don't know. It would be cool to
49:13
Speaker 2: have the five hundred amp circuit for the winch and
49:15
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I don't have a winch. You know,
49:18
Speaker 2: but I do have the little compass and I think
49:21
Speaker 2: that that's charming totally. I do have heated seats, which
49:26
Speaker 2: is nice, I believe. I believe at the time you
49:30
Speaker 2: could only get heated seats with leather. Now you can
49:33
Speaker 2: get heated seats with the cloth. I would have went
49:36
Speaker 2: for the cloth because I think it fits the vehicle
49:39
Speaker 2: better and it's just more comfortable. It's interesting. I do
49:43
Speaker 2: have the the the heat insulated windows, like the tinted
49:47
Speaker 2: window package. I wouldn't have chose that. But I'm not,
49:50
Speaker 2: like we live in Arizona. I'm not like unhappy about it.
49:54
Speaker 2: And my MSRP was just over seventy eight thousand. I
50:01
Speaker 2: got a twenty five hundred dollars rebate. That's what AIOS
50:03
Speaker 2: is running. I believe they're now doing a five thousand
50:06
Speaker 2: dollars rebate. And you know, like I was talking to
50:11
Speaker 2: my wife Laura on and I'm like, it felt expensive,
50:14
Speaker 2: But when you really start to look at what vehicles
50:18
Speaker 2: cost these days, it's not that bad. I don't think so.
50:25
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's definitely premium, you know, but like
50:29
Speaker 2: you can buy one hundred thousand dollars plus jeep Wrangler
50:33
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking AEV. You know, a super duty
50:36
Speaker 2: is eighties nineties. You know, things got expensive. And I
50:42
Speaker 2: do think that some people with Ineos when they launched
50:46
Speaker 2: this concept, they also was pre COVID. I think they
50:49
Speaker 2: launched the project in twenty eighteen. Maybe it goes back
50:53
Speaker 2: a little further because these things take time. They were
50:57
Speaker 2: targeting like a fifty thousand dollars price point. Fifty thousand
51:00
Speaker 2: dollars then is seventy now that's right with you? Just
51:04
Speaker 2: do the calculation, like the inflation. Yeah, yeah, I mean
51:06
Speaker 2: it sucks that this happened, you know, but it's maybe
51:10
Speaker 2: it's a controversial topic, but Anios is not responsible for
51:14
Speaker 2: global inflation, right exactly. So also not going to sell
51:20
Speaker 2: something for more than they need to because they're going
51:22
Speaker 2: to not hit the volume numbers. Yeah, they're trying to
51:25
Speaker 2: be competitive. It's just expensive to make a low volume
51:29
Speaker 2: niche vehicle airlom thing. Yeah. Like it's you know, it's
51:32
Speaker 2: like it's like buying a pair of Japanese salvage denim.
51:36
Speaker 2: The concept is that you don't buy ten pairs of jeans,
51:38
Speaker 2: you buy one. You know, it's really well made, and
51:42
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, I know maybe in the
51:46
Speaker 2: in the start of this podcast, middle of this podcast.
51:49
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think I don't like the car,
51:51
Speaker 2: or that I'm frustrated with it. I'm just passionate about it.
51:55
Speaker 2: Like I I wouldn't get worked up if I didn't
51:59
Speaker 2: give it. Yeah, you know, like it's so close, it's great.
52:05
Speaker 2: I love driving it. I love the interior. You know,
52:08
Speaker 2: maybe I wouldn't have chose great plastic, maybe I would
52:11
Speaker 2: have chose black plastic, you know, but I dig it totally.
52:16
Speaker 2: I like the city and position. Although the seats do
52:19
Speaker 2: need lumbar, you know, there's it's it's at that that
52:23
Speaker 2: was surprising, like Ricaro without an adjustable well, and it
52:26
Speaker 2: even has the in the side panel for the seat
52:31
Speaker 2: like where you would have your your electric adjustments sort of.
52:35
Speaker 2: These are manual seats. It actually has a cutout right
52:39
Speaker 2: for what would be adjustable lumbar. I think they were
52:44
Speaker 2: just glad to get the seats at all. Yeah, well,
52:46
Speaker 2: and maybe I don't. For those that don't know any
52:49
Speaker 2: of us had a shutdown, Scott had mentioned, and that's
52:52
Speaker 2: because Riccaro filed bankruptcy and you can't sell cars that
52:59
Speaker 2: you can't have seat and when you're a small manufacturer, right,
53:03
Speaker 2: you know, and it's also what you you would see
53:05
Speaker 2: in these forums.
53:06
Speaker 1: They'd be like, just get there are plenty of seat
53:08
Speaker 1: mad like you have to get recertified on saverything, and
53:11
Speaker 1: like it's it.
53:12
Speaker 2: Is not an easy thing. That is literally where the
53:15
Speaker 2: human the little fleshy bit interfaces with is from the
53:19
Speaker 2: seat exactly. So air bags and passenger with you know,
53:24
Speaker 2: safety and everything, all that stuff is all need to
53:27
Speaker 2: be re certified.
53:27
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a challenging thing to overcome. Maybe let's
53:31
Speaker 1: pivot a little bit towards like accessories, the things that
53:35
Speaker 1: you would do to modify it, you know, maybe like
53:39
Speaker 1: the things that you think the well I did add
53:42
Speaker 1: a snorkel. Yeah, and that's a factory option. It's a
53:45
Speaker 1: factory option.
53:46
Speaker 2: I bought it on eBay for like two hundred bucks
53:48
Speaker 2: and I installed it. It took me exactly one miller
53:53
Speaker 2: light to install it. Make sure that you have good
53:56
Speaker 2: tour crenches. It's not a problem with the hardware. I
53:58
Speaker 2: had like some weird arenches and they I've just noticed
54:02
Speaker 2: they're a little funky because the bolts can be a
54:06
Speaker 2: little shallow from any acid that there's weak or anything,
54:10
Speaker 2: but it went right on. You know. The hardest part
54:13
Speaker 2: is kind of figuring out how you thread the the
54:17
Speaker 2: side turned signal through the snorkel. I mean, it's a
54:21
Speaker 2: raised air intake. I know that there's gonna be somebody
54:24
Speaker 2: that drives an FJ Cruiser with driving gloves. It's gonna
54:26
Speaker 2: correct me. But yeah, that looks kind of cool, but
54:30
Speaker 2: that's a factory thing. I'm doing the goose gear on mine,
54:34
Speaker 2: and I'm doing the you know, I think that that's
54:36
Speaker 2: gonna be cool because like in theory, I can fold
54:40
Speaker 2: the seat down like you actually get a little bit
54:43
Speaker 2: more like I can. Actually, then I'm thinking I can
54:46
Speaker 2: almost get a regular palette in there because it's above
54:50
Speaker 2: the wheel arches, which will be kind of cool. And
54:53
Speaker 2: then AJ from GP Factor makes this really cool little
54:58
Speaker 2: little table that is on the rear door. Now, Aneos
55:01
Speaker 2: does have their own little table for the right side door,
55:07
Speaker 2: but it's not it's it's a dealer fitted accessory. So
55:09
Speaker 2: then you're getting hit at two hundred fifty dollars an
55:11
Speaker 2: hour to install it, and you can get this better one.
55:14
Speaker 2: So I'm doing that. But you did like the nomad
55:18
Speaker 2: wheels on yours I did, which I think look really good.
55:21
Speaker 2: I think they're great. Yeah, and they're so they look
55:23
Speaker 2: like the steelies, but they're aluminum. I like how they
55:26
Speaker 2: kind of like the way that they dish. I like
55:28
Speaker 2: that look. And then I put a two ninety or
55:32
Speaker 2: two eighty five seventy five that's what was to eighty
55:35
Speaker 2: five seventy five seventeen on there, which is a nice
55:39
Speaker 2: tall that seems to be like the correct size tire
55:42
Speaker 2: if you're gonna go up, I think so.
55:44
Speaker 1: And so you end up it's nearly thirty four inches
55:47
Speaker 1: in diameter and it's only about eleven inches wide. So
55:51
Speaker 1: and there you know, BFG will come out with a
55:54
Speaker 1: thirty four ten fifty seventeen again, which I think is
55:57
Speaker 1: probably even a little bit little bit narrower, which is
56:01
Speaker 1: probably just a little bit better. I do like there's
56:04
Speaker 1: a couple different companies that are making sliders that go
56:08
Speaker 1: in place of the plastic body cap that goes on there,
56:12
Speaker 1: so they fit up tight like that.
56:14
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. Yeah, yeah, I do like those because
56:19
Speaker 2: you end up with better ground clearance like the factory
56:22
Speaker 2: Wrangler has where it's like an extruded shape and exactly
56:26
Speaker 2: strong attack, and that's what I think the vehicle needs
56:30
Speaker 2: because then you maximize your ground clearance. The factory sliders
56:34
Speaker 2: are actually super strong.
56:35
Speaker 1: I hit them on plenty of stuff, but they do
56:37
Speaker 1: sit a little lower, So I like the fact that
56:39
Speaker 1: those sit a little higher.
56:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the factory brushguard I really like. Yeah, so
56:47
Speaker 2: you can order that. It's an Australian spec item. I
56:51
Speaker 2: believe you can get in South Africa South Africa. It's
56:54
Speaker 2: not in the US probably because again, like the seats,
56:56
Speaker 2: they would have to probably do a lot a lot
56:59
Speaker 2: of safety stuff. There are a few companies that are
57:02
Speaker 2: making a very similar, visually identical one in the US,
57:08
Speaker 2: and then you're saving considerably on overseas freight. Sure, GP
57:12
Speaker 2: Factor does make one of those. There's a few other companies.
57:15
Speaker 2: I just probably would go at that one because they
57:18
Speaker 2: actually like between a J and rin. They like they
57:21
Speaker 2: have grinned ear, like here's my here's my Like the
57:25
Speaker 2: thing that gets me all hot and bothered that I
57:28
Speaker 2: love is the the Alue cab. Silentious. Okay, there's feel
57:35
Speaker 2: it's a weird name, but it's their pop top. Like
57:38
Speaker 2: there's their hercules. They have one for the seventy They
57:40
Speaker 2: haven't for the the Defender. Defender. They now have one
57:45
Speaker 2: for the graned Ear and I know that they actually,
57:47
Speaker 2: like in the house, actually provided a vehicle. I saw
57:50
Speaker 2: two Alue cab like before they were even out, so
57:53
Speaker 2: like they really are making efforts. But I just keep thinking.
57:57
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, we're we're thinking of this and
58:01
Speaker 2: one ship that you were planning, and you know the
58:05
Speaker 2: plan is meant to take the Earth Rummer. And then
58:07
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, on the occasions that you want
58:10
Speaker 2: to camp, it's super simple. Yeah, Like Rin's got one
58:13
Speaker 2: on his you know, so they're doing and I saw
58:16
Speaker 2: him out winter camping with it, and it looks it
58:19
Speaker 2: looks good, Like the interior even looks like they really
58:24
Speaker 2: put some effort into how that was going to look
58:28
Speaker 2: what it was going to look like. And again like
58:32
Speaker 2: you could just go buy like a trialmaster that has
58:35
Speaker 2: all your stuff, ship it to you know. Okay, four
58:39
Speaker 2: World Drive I think you know Tiny Rig Company is
58:43
Speaker 2: also doing one there in California, really really nice guys
58:47
Speaker 2: and go and then you're like you have you're also
58:51
Speaker 2: at the East Coast, so like you get the thing done,
58:54
Speaker 2: you show up, yeah, and then you drive it up
58:56
Speaker 2: to Halifax and you ship it over to Iceland. It's
59:00
Speaker 2: like it gets like it keeps me up at night,
59:03
Speaker 2: you know. I'm just like sitting there like oh man, no, yeah,
59:07
Speaker 2: that's what keeps me up at night. Brings some other things,
59:14
Speaker 2: is that the polar bears, you know, so like like
59:19
Speaker 2: quite quickly these vehicles are becoming like dialed. They really
59:25
Speaker 2: are really cool. Yeah.
59:26
Speaker 1: I think I think people get a little bit too
59:30
Speaker 1: excited about big tires because I think people are used
59:33
Speaker 1: to wranglers, and I would just really recommend avoiding that,
59:37
Speaker 1: like go tall and there.
59:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like I just imagine like there's there's
59:41
Speaker 2: the keyboard. Yeah, you know, it's like the first thing people.
59:45
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, yeah, this is a travel.
59:49
Speaker 1: Vehicle, so you want it to remain as much like
59:52
Speaker 1: that as possible. And I was just really impressed by
59:57
Speaker 1: the fact that like a roough rock's a good idea.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: You have some.
1:00:00
Speaker 1: Reserve capacity for me, I use the refractacury fuel there
1:00:05
Speaker 1: is there are fuel tank options now for the vehicle.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: Now they're not EPA. Yeah, you've got to be careful
1:00:11
Speaker 1: with that, Like, well, but this is this is how
1:00:13
Speaker 1: I would look at it to your to your example
1:00:16
Speaker 1: of shipping this thing to go drive around you. You know,
1:00:19
Speaker 1: you get it to okay for we'll drive, you get
1:00:21
Speaker 1: the top installed, you install the fuel tank, but you
1:00:26
Speaker 1: don't connect it to the rest of the of the Yeah,
1:00:30
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect.
1:00:31
Speaker 2: The EPA registration. And then as soon as you leave
1:00:35
Speaker 2: the country then you can use it. Yeah, you know.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: I I know that it's a bit of a gray
1:00:41
Speaker 2: area with them. I've had people tell me, no, it's
1:00:44
Speaker 2: a fuel transfer system, it's fine. It's fine for a diesel.
1:00:49
Speaker 2: It is not fine for I've had people with gassing,
1:00:53
Speaker 2: you know, manufacturing these things, but I just have not
1:00:57
Speaker 2: buy in it. I have not been able to find
1:01:00
Speaker 2: anything that says it's okay. I know that there are
1:01:04
Speaker 2: very specific certifications that are on a product level that
1:01:08
Speaker 2: have to happen from my research, you know, So just
1:01:11
Speaker 2: don't use it in the US. Yeah, when you go
1:01:13
Speaker 2: down to Baja, fill it up. But I'm not horrible
1:01:16
Speaker 2: gas mileage, No, like that's another reason not to overmodify.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: I took mine to the Las Vegas Grand Prix for
1:01:23
Speaker 2: f one one. Like we're saying, at the wind they
1:01:26
Speaker 2: parked it next to all the hot Ferraris and stuff,
1:01:29
Speaker 2: because they're like what is this thing? Like, wait, you
1:01:32
Speaker 2: parked it here? Well I'm like, okay, cool, but I
1:01:37
Speaker 2: got like eighteen miles of the Galli and I'm like
1:01:40
Speaker 2: fine with that, Like I do. It's not a car
1:01:42
Speaker 2: that I feel the need to drive quickly, although it
1:01:45
Speaker 2: is surprisingly fast quick for what the numbers suggest on paper.
1:01:51
Speaker 2: It has less horsepower than a Jeep Wrangler, yet it
1:01:54
Speaker 2: does have more torque. It is considerably faster, Like Laurel
1:01:58
Speaker 2: thinks that. She's like, oh yeah, it's fast. Oh yeah,
1:02:00
Speaker 2: because it's usable like that mid range is very beefy
1:02:06
Speaker 2: and the transmission is just perfectly matched to the engine.
1:02:09
Speaker 2: It's money. It's totally money.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Tacoma has better numbers, the Canyon
1:02:14
Speaker 1: has better numbers. Like I'm sorry, it is not even close.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those things you know they always say,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: like German horses are bigger. I'm gonna that's that's how
1:02:24
Speaker 1: I would describe it. It's a straight six that's got
1:02:27
Speaker 1: a turbo on it, and it's a great transmission. It
1:02:30
Speaker 1: just works together to be very drivable. Like there are
1:02:33
Speaker 1: times like okay, and as an example, quarter Master with
1:02:38
Speaker 1: thirty four's a scout camper in the back and stuff
1:02:42
Speaker 1: for events.
1:02:43
Speaker 2: And I needed to get on and around this corner
1:02:45
Speaker 2: and I lit up the times like I mean, I did,
1:02:49
Speaker 2: like a proper Scottie, you know, around the corner, full throttle.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: I mean it smoked because of the center diff was
1:02:58
Speaker 2: a mock right, it like lit up attire. It's it's
1:03:02
Speaker 2: it's quick. Yeah, like again, like I just I like it.
1:03:07
Speaker 2: I find that the Grenadier is a it's like an
1:03:10
Speaker 2: enthusiast vehicle that feels very practical. It's like, you know,
1:03:16
Speaker 2: I was never I was three when the Defender won
1:03:19
Speaker 2: ten came out in the US, so I couldn't like
1:03:21
Speaker 2: walk in and get one. I was seven when the
1:03:23
Speaker 2: ninety stopped being sold. We never got the seventy. This
1:03:28
Speaker 2: to me just felt like okay, like this was my
1:03:32
Speaker 2: opportunity to like have that experience, to buy a utility
1:03:39
Speaker 2: focused vehicle that was very well made. I love the size.
1:03:45
Speaker 2: I mean it is dimensionally nearly identical to a Wrangler.
1:03:48
Speaker 2: It's just more efficient in its use of space. If
1:03:51
Speaker 2: you're buying a vehicle to do the rubicon buying the Jeep,
1:03:55
Speaker 2: if you're buying a vehicle to drive around the world,
1:03:58
Speaker 2: buy the Granadeer for sure, and think about this. It's
1:04:01
Speaker 2: the only Pinnacle.
1:04:03
Speaker 1: Overland vehicle that we can buy off the lot in
1:04:05
Speaker 1: the United States. Now, if Toyota ever brings the three
1:04:08
Speaker 1: hundred back, serious competition to the Grenadier. If Lexus comes
1:04:12
Speaker 1: out with the seven hundred overtrail plus things that there
1:04:17
Speaker 1: are rumors around, that's going to be a great competition too.
1:04:21
Speaker 2: But this is a Pinnacle overland.
1:04:23
Speaker 1: Vehicle that's built the purpose that you can buy for
1:04:26
Speaker 1: seventy five brand.
1:04:27
Speaker 2: I think it's important to talk a little bit about
1:04:29
Speaker 2: the competition for it out of fairness. I do think
1:04:33
Speaker 2: that the closest competitor for it is the new two
1:04:40
Speaker 2: fifty series land Cruiser. For sure. It just didn't excite me,
1:04:45
Speaker 2: you know, like great vehicle, though great vehicle, I mean,
1:04:48
Speaker 2: like honestly, like everything that we've said about the Grenadier
1:04:52
Speaker 2: also applies to that car. Grenadeer is better off road,
1:04:56
Speaker 2: think absolutely. I've spent a ton of time in both.
1:04:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ground clearance on the two fifty, especially at
1:05:03
Speaker 1: the front dependent like the front skip plant and everything.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: It's like eight inches at the front, So it's a
1:05:09
Speaker 1: it's a trail drag or the two fifty is.
1:05:12
Speaker 2: I also think though that the two fifty just has
1:05:15
Speaker 2: more aftermarkets support. So if you are easy to fix,
1:05:19
Speaker 2: you know, if you're like Wrangler on the on the left,
1:05:23
Speaker 2: which is like the rock crawling side, and on the
1:05:25
Speaker 2: right you have the Grenadier as the Overlander, you know,
1:05:28
Speaker 2: typical Toyota.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: They kind of come out in the middle. And it's
1:05:31
Speaker 1: a great vehicle. I love the fact that you have
1:05:34
Speaker 1: a Sweve Bard disconnect on it. I like the fact
1:05:36
Speaker 1: you have a rear locker in a land cruiser, the
1:05:39
Speaker 1: fact that as a center div lock, it's all will drive.
1:05:42
Speaker 1: It feels good. Ye, I think it looks great. It's
1:05:45
Speaker 1: very handsome, it looks good. It's a very practical shape.
1:05:48
Speaker 1: The GX is another great competitor. The GX Yeah, I mean,
1:05:51
Speaker 1: you know, the Overtrail plus or the Overtrail even more
1:05:54
Speaker 1: off roady. It's just you know, they just like Lexus
1:05:57
Speaker 1: with the GX is so good at hitting hot moms.
1:06:02
Speaker 1: Like it always has been the hot mom car, and
1:06:05
Speaker 1: now it was like it was like the like gen
1:06:08
Speaker 1: X hot Mom car, and now it's the like each
1:06:11
Speaker 1: generation of that car has been the hot mom car
1:06:14
Speaker 1: for its respective generation. And now you see that like
1:06:18
Speaker 1: the millennial women love that thing. There's like maybe ten
1:06:21
Speaker 1: of them running around, all moms.
1:06:23
Speaker 2: But it is, it is. It's a soccer mom car
1:06:25
Speaker 2: to me, like the Lexus just it will never get
1:06:28
Speaker 2: rid of that image. I think the land Cruiser is
1:06:30
Speaker 2: way cooler.
1:06:31
Speaker 1: I know how much you love your wife. I have
1:06:32
Speaker 1: never seen your eyes straight. I have never well, I'm
1:06:36
Speaker 1: looking straight and I see them come by. If you
1:06:40
Speaker 1: want to look like a soccer mom by the Lexus,
1:06:42
Speaker 1: you're just look at that theme that commits me and
1:06:44
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, there's a it's attractive.
1:06:47
Speaker 2: Notice attractive. So you do have the soccer mom version
1:06:52
Speaker 2: of the land Cruiser. Officially, now that we get the product,
1:06:56
Speaker 2: I still call the two fifties produ It is a product. Yeah,
1:06:59
Speaker 2: maybe that doesn't mean anything to people anyway, which is
1:07:02
Speaker 2: an amassing. Those are super popular everywhere in the world.
1:07:06
Speaker 2: But what else there's really in terms of competition. I mean,
1:07:09
Speaker 2: I guess inherently the Wrangler is kind of there. I
1:07:12
Speaker 2: think so, I think the Wrangler. I think that Stilantis
1:07:16
Speaker 2: has a problem. I think that their entire product line
1:07:19
Speaker 2: is outdated. I think that, you know, where the j
1:07:23
Speaker 2: L was like an evolution not a revolution of the JK.
1:07:27
Speaker 2: It looks dated now, the drive lines dated, you know.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: Then they're doing some like weird stuff where it's like, oh,
1:07:35
Speaker 2: you have to have a manual transmission with the V
1:07:37
Speaker 2: six because we're going to force you into buying this
1:07:40
Speaker 2: Alpha Romeo two Leader that nobody wants, you know, like
1:07:44
Speaker 2: the Europeans are going to ruin Jeep like this. Maybe, yeah,
1:07:51
Speaker 2: probably like that their product line is pretty dated. The
1:07:55
Speaker 2: Bronco is definitely up there. Say that the Bronco's one
1:07:58
Speaker 2: of the closest competitors too. Yeah, the Bronco is pretty cool. Again,
1:08:02
Speaker 2: you have that compromise of the are you gonna rant
1:08:05
Speaker 2: on the Bronco now? I mean, let's talk about the
1:08:07
Speaker 2: Interior's talk about the plastic in the Bronco. On the Brea,
1:08:10
Speaker 2: it's just so cheap and the thing is that it
1:08:13
Speaker 2: costs about the same as like a granite or whatever.
1:08:17
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, I've never been able to scratch
1:08:19
Speaker 2: the interior plastic of something with my nail. Yeah, Like,
1:08:22
Speaker 2: like it should come with a holder for your sunglasses,
1:08:26
Speaker 2: says white sunglasses only. But the Bronx. But it's a Ford, right,
1:08:29
Speaker 2: so it's always going to be a good choice. It's
1:08:32
Speaker 2: a better it's a better vehicle than that. It's a
1:08:35
Speaker 2: better vehicle than the Wrangler because the Europeans have ruined
1:08:37
Speaker 2: the Wrangler.
1:08:38
Speaker 1: I do like the bro I think I think the
1:08:40
Speaker 1: Bronco is actually really sweet. Yeah, I'm just not. The
1:08:43
Speaker 1: only Bronco that I don't like is the Raptor to me.
1:08:45
Speaker 2: You know it again, it's like like the the j
1:08:49
Speaker 2: L and the JK grew up. I guess it was
1:08:53
Speaker 2: a JK. They grew up when they had the color
1:08:55
Speaker 2: matched top. Yeah, and they still haven't done that on
1:08:58
Speaker 2: the on the bron So the vehicle just looks old,
1:09:02
Speaker 2: you know, and the little dated, and you know they're
1:09:04
Speaker 2: having problems with the hard tops cracking and all of
1:09:06
Speaker 2: this stuff. But it's Ford. They're going to fix it.
1:09:09
Speaker 2: Like Ford. Ford realistically has in the US, you know,
1:09:14
Speaker 2: probably the best complete off road product line right now.
1:09:18
Speaker 2: I mean, everything from that Raptor R isn't mental, it's insane.
1:09:22
Speaker 2: I was just writing a thing about the New Earth
1:09:25
Speaker 2: Rummer LTx that came out, and I was looking into
1:09:27
Speaker 2: the chassis the Cavin chassis has nine hundred and fifty
1:09:31
Speaker 2: pound feet of torque with the ten speed transmission. The
1:09:34
Speaker 2: drive lines that Ford is putting out are glass leading,
1:09:40
Speaker 2: but also GMC, you know GMC and Chevy with these
1:09:44
Speaker 2: AAV partnerships, but they're all on pickups. They don't have
1:09:48
Speaker 2: like an s u V. Yeah, they've got to address that. Yeah.
1:09:52
Speaker 2: And then and then you know, like they brought back
1:09:54
Speaker 2: the Blazer and they put it on like you know,
1:09:57
Speaker 2: like the like three hundred credits score, Like I literally
1:10:01
Speaker 2: can't get approved for anything else crossover, Like why would
1:10:05
Speaker 2: you buy that thing? Like you're not buying that car
1:10:07
Speaker 2: because you want to, You're buying that car because you
1:10:09
Speaker 2: have to. Yeah, and why like why would you why
1:10:14
Speaker 2: would you ruin that name?
1:10:16
Speaker 1: Yeah with that car, Like yeah, they could have gotten
1:10:20
Speaker 1: retro with it. They could have been their bank, Like
1:10:21
Speaker 1: there was the Bronco, they could have been their Bronco. Right,
1:10:23
Speaker 1: but even the Bronco Sport is you know kind of
1:10:26
Speaker 1: that super alternative absolutely, you know, it fits the ethos
1:10:31
Speaker 1: of the Bronco brand where like, come on guys, like
1:10:36
Speaker 1: well and especially it's kind of like when we talked
1:10:38
Speaker 1: about the steering, it's more like GM has gotten so
1:10:42
Speaker 1: good with their trucks recently, like in the last three years,
1:10:45
Speaker 1: especially with Dave's involvement. They're so far ahead of the
1:10:49
Speaker 1: rest of their product line that it makes everything else
1:10:52
Speaker 1: stand out is really dated.
1:10:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, but their trucks are like, they're really good, like
1:10:59
Speaker 2: that at four or x Bison twenty five hundred. Yeah
1:11:05
Speaker 2: a thing. I'm gonna take a few breaths in between.
1:11:08
Speaker 2: This phenomenal, But again, not a truck. So, you know,
1:11:12
Speaker 2: I think if I was looking at the Quartermaster, though,
1:11:15
Speaker 2: it would be really hard for me to choose between
1:11:17
Speaker 2: the Quartermaster and the GMC.
1:11:20
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I'm at. I'm having to choose between
1:11:22
Speaker 1: me two. Now, this is how I if I had
1:11:25
Speaker 1: to sum up the Quartermaster in one word or one sentence.
1:11:30
Speaker 2: Excuse me. It's a heavy duty mid size. Yeah, that's
1:11:34
Speaker 2: the size of a full size. Uh yeah, it's like
1:11:38
Speaker 2: the original ton Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's like.
1:11:40
Speaker 1: A seven eight size. It's definitely bigger than the other
1:11:43
Speaker 1: mid sized trucks by a little bit, a little wider.
1:11:46
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a heavy duty, premium mid sized truck,
1:11:50
Speaker 1: and that's hard to get. So whereas the Canyon eighty
1:11:56
Speaker 1: four x AEV is a premium hyperf Foremance mid size
1:12:01
Speaker 1: like off road. I mean this is not about the canyon,
1:12:07
Speaker 1: but like that at four x canyon off road is
1:12:10
Speaker 1: absolutely insane.
1:12:12
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. So it's so good that it's so
1:12:16
Speaker 2: good that it was silly thirty fives with great suspension
1:12:21
Speaker 2: front rear lockers. Yeah, so good. The Quarterman, it's Themaster
1:12:26
Speaker 2: for me, I think that it looks great, but it's expensive.
1:12:31
Speaker 2: Part of that is because of tariffs. So so how
1:12:35
Speaker 2: tariffs work for some of our listeners is when the
1:12:38
Speaker 2: tariff gets applied, it gets passed on to the customer.
1:12:42
Speaker 2: That's why it's more expensive. And what they're like eighty
1:12:45
Speaker 2: five grand starting, so you're competing with like I mean,
1:12:49
Speaker 2: you're looking at like a super duty with a tremor package. Yeah,
1:12:54
Speaker 2: that's it is, But that's what I mean. It's a
1:12:56
Speaker 2: protectionist tariff. That's what that's there.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: Four Quartermaster seven eighth's super duty tremor.
1:13:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they look cool. Like my father in
1:13:07
Speaker 2: law really wants it, wants a Quartermaster, but he also
1:13:11
Speaker 2: tows and he does the things that are expected of
1:13:13
Speaker 2: a I have never American pickup I drive unique vehicles
1:13:17
Speaker 2: all the time for my job, and I have never
1:13:22
Speaker 2: in all of the years that I've been doing this stuff, had.
1:13:24
Speaker 1: So many such a broad range of people talk to
1:13:29
Speaker 1: me about a vehicle than the Quartermaster.
1:13:31
Speaker 2: It's more you mean that the Grenadier kind of blends
1:13:34
Speaker 2: in just because of the shape. The Quartermaster is just
1:13:37
Speaker 2: totally different.
1:13:38
Speaker 1: You know the number of people who are like doing
1:13:41
Speaker 1: you know, iPhone shots going down I seventeen. It's it's
1:13:44
Speaker 1: the Defender one thirty, right, I mean it's and it
1:13:48
Speaker 1: has the same problems as the one thirty Attorney Release.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: It's the It's the most scotty vehicle I have ever had,
1:13:56
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty I'm like super smitten by it. I
1:13:59
Speaker 1: just also like I don't want I just want to
1:14:02
Speaker 1: make sure I'm considering all.
1:14:04
Speaker 2: My options for like I mean that the GMC is better.
1:14:07
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna see in some way, like as a
1:14:08
Speaker 2: daily driver, no question, but it's gonna be worth about
1:14:11
Speaker 2: twelve dollars in five years. And it's a GM like
1:14:16
Speaker 2: like didn't Sinway's like like bed on his previous generation
1:14:20
Speaker 2: Colorado was literally like split like the side of the fender,
1:14:22
Speaker 2: dislike the sheet metal tour.
1:14:25
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it first of all has a lightner
1:14:27
Speaker 1: rack which doesn't flex.
1:14:29
Speaker 2: Apparently that's stronger, which doesn't surprise.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: Me because yes, and then and then Similey drives off
1:14:35
Speaker 1: road all the like, he drives off road more than
1:14:37
Speaker 1: anyone that I know, Yeah, other than maybe Bill Burke.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like Simwa drives off road all of
1:14:43
Speaker 1: the time.
1:14:44
Speaker 2: So he's going between Colorado and LA and then he
1:14:46
Speaker 2: goes on Derman to go left.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: Here, so I'm gonna go right here. Yeah, so that dude,
1:14:50
Speaker 1: that dude has more off road miles on that then
1:14:52
Speaker 1: I'm sure even the GMA years have.
1:14:55
Speaker 2: And like the the new generation of these trucks is better, Yeah,
1:14:59
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah. I mean if you're looking for something,
1:15:03
Speaker 2: you know, as a guy that has vehicle add that
1:15:05
Speaker 2: gets goes through cars very quickly, I don't think that
1:15:10
Speaker 2: you'd keep the GMC. But I mean I like them both.
1:15:15
Speaker 2: It's for very different reasons. The Quartermaster is a scotty car.
1:15:18
Speaker 2: It's it's the most scotty thing I've ever had, but
1:15:21
Speaker 2: it's like thirty grand more, yeah, because it's almost seventy
1:15:31
Speaker 2: for the eighty four X. Yeah. Yeah. The big difference
1:15:36
Speaker 2: is the payload.
1:15:37
Speaker 1: So the Quartermaster can get it up to eighteen hundred
1:15:40
Speaker 1: pounds of payload eighteen twenty five to be specific.
1:15:42
Speaker 2: So so here's my last argument against the Quartermaster the Gladiator. Well,
1:15:49
Speaker 2: it's half the price. It's it is.
1:15:51
Speaker 1: Like like no literally, like like you go to the
1:15:54
Speaker 1: g and it's not half the vehicle. No, And it
1:15:57
Speaker 1: has great payload too, Like if you get the here's
1:16:00
Speaker 1: the hack on the on the Gladiator, you don't get
1:16:03
Speaker 1: the RUBICONV because then you had the four to one
1:16:05
Speaker 1: transfer case all the other stuff. You go and you
1:16:07
Speaker 1: get the Willies Edition. Okay, Yeah, so the Willie's Edition
1:16:11
Speaker 1: has a rear locking differential. You can get it with
1:16:14
Speaker 1: the max toe package. Yeah, and so you end up
1:16:18
Speaker 1: with like a seventeen pound payload with the rear locker
1:16:23
Speaker 1: and the heavy duty axles.
1:16:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. I still think that the six. I still think
1:16:28
Speaker 2: the Gladiator is a good choice for international overlanding because
1:16:32
Speaker 2: I mean it's sold everywhere with that that three to
1:16:35
Speaker 2: six motor. Yeah, zf trans The parts are cheap, they're afordable.
1:16:40
Speaker 2: You can get it fixed. But like I'm, I'm you know,
1:16:43
Speaker 2: this isn't about cheap, but I'm but I'm but I
1:16:45
Speaker 2: am concerned about cheap. They had a mass at one time,
1:16:48
Speaker 2: they had a massive brain drain, right, So they lost
1:16:51
Speaker 2: Mark Allen, he retired, They lost Taylor Langles, they lost
1:16:56
Speaker 2: Chris Benjamin, like all of the people that were making
1:16:58
Speaker 2: that great either tired or went to see All the
1:17:02
Speaker 2: people at AEV.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: Now that used to be other people who created the
1:17:06
Speaker 1: Rubicon package or alf of them are at AEV. So
1:17:10
Speaker 1: there has been a big grade rate. But I like
1:17:15
Speaker 1: my Grenadier. You like your Quartermaster, and I loved driving
1:17:19
Speaker 1: the Grenadier across Africa.
1:17:21
Speaker 2: I wouldn't change a thing it. It's a car that
1:17:23
Speaker 2: you would want to take on a trip. It's interesting
1:17:26
Speaker 2: enough to keep your attention. There are some flaws with it.
1:17:31
Speaker 2: It is a first generation vehicle from a new car company.
1:17:36
Speaker 2: It is like a solid B plus. But that's great,
1:17:43
Speaker 2: Like it's brand new, and I think that it's like
1:17:46
Speaker 2: you know, like I want to like thank sir Jim
1:17:50
Speaker 2: for doing this, Like there's a car has never existed
1:17:53
Speaker 2: that's more me or more you, for sure. And it
1:17:57
Speaker 2: takes Cojones and some money in the bank to make
1:18:00
Speaker 2: it happened, and I wanted to support it. Yeah, for
1:18:04
Speaker 2: sure so, and thank you to any offs in that regard.
1:18:08
Speaker 2: And I think from international travel, let's just touch I
1:18:10
Speaker 2: want to touch on two things before we wrap this up.
1:18:13
Speaker 2: But for international travel, the Grenadier is built to purpose
1:18:17
Speaker 2: for that, but it's not desirable as a vehicle for theft.
1:18:22
Speaker 2: So we have to remember that if you drive a
1:18:25
Speaker 2: seventy series land Cruiser in some countries, you are literally
1:18:31
Speaker 2: it's like the gas. Every piece on it can be
1:18:33
Speaker 2: dismantled and sold on their street. That's right.
1:18:36
Speaker 1: So that was one of the things that I felt
1:18:39
Speaker 1: a lot of peace around driving the Grenadier across Africa.
1:18:43
Speaker 1: No one knew what it was and no one would
1:18:46
Speaker 1: be able to do anything with it. They wouldn't be
1:18:49
Speaker 1: able to part the car out, they wouldn't be able
1:18:50
Speaker 1: to sell it. They wouldn't even want to be driving
1:18:53
Speaker 1: it around because you would be driving the only one. Yeah,
1:18:56
Speaker 1: So even as they become more popular and people use
1:18:59
Speaker 1: them to cross Africa, they're going to still be super obscure.
1:19:02
Speaker 1: So it's I think it's one of the safest vehicles
1:19:05
Speaker 1: that you can drive internationally. It's safer than the seventy
1:19:08
Speaker 1: series in an accident. It has better safety systems, than
1:19:11
Speaker 1: the seventy series, and it's not going to be desirable
1:19:15
Speaker 1: for theft.
1:19:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be hard to steal because you know,
1:19:18
Speaker 2: again with the twenty twenty four ad ASS stuff that
1:19:21
Speaker 2: Europe mandated. There's also some some security features that are
1:19:26
Speaker 2: quite robust, like robust enough that, for example, Porsche had
1:19:31
Speaker 2: to stop selling the seven to one eight Cayman and
1:19:34
Speaker 2: boxed in Europe because they could not get it to
1:19:37
Speaker 2: meet the specifications business Porsche, right, right, So this car
1:19:41
Speaker 2: with the BMW kind of piggyback on technology has all
1:19:45
Speaker 2: of those things.
1:19:46
Speaker 3: Imagine someone and it has a key, like it has
1:19:48
Speaker 3: an actual key exactly, And imagine someone hopping in it
1:19:51
Speaker 3: and trying to figure out the shifter. Yeah, like night
1:19:55
Speaker 3: out of ten people who get in figure it out. Well, yeah,
1:19:57
Speaker 3: night out of ten people who get into the Quartermaster
1:19:59
Speaker 3: can't move.
1:20:00
Speaker 2: They can't. It takes them a second to figure out
1:20:03
Speaker 2: how shifter. Yeah, which, once you get.
1:20:06
Speaker 1: Used to it, it's fine. But like and that none
1:20:09
Speaker 1: of that is to take anything away from the seventh
1:20:11
Speaker 1: The seventies series is amazing. I just think that that's
1:20:15
Speaker 1: another advantage for international travel is you're not going to
1:20:17
Speaker 1: be a target of theft, petty theft, someone breaking in
1:20:21
Speaker 1: and grabbing your stuff. Absolutely, but someone holding a gun
1:20:24
Speaker 1: to your head and trying.
1:20:25
Speaker 2: To steal your car.
1:20:27
Speaker 1: No, yeah, so fine, pulling ended on kind of an
1:20:30
Speaker 1: international thought for that, yeah so.
1:20:32
Speaker 2: But if you haven't driven one, go check it out.
1:20:34
Speaker 2: There's dealers. There are dealers popping up, yeah, all over
1:20:37
Speaker 2: the country.
1:20:37
Speaker 1: There's one in Phoenix, now there's you know, there's dealers
1:20:40
Speaker 1: all over the all over the place. So go drive one. Yeah,
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