Latest / Justice For / Major True Crime Updates:Missy Woods Pleads Guilty,Ellen Greenberg,Mamta Bhatt and Return to Nature
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- justice for: Hey y'all, and welcome back to another update episode. I sound like a broken record at this point, but it's fine with me. we have some good updates for you guys today. I hope you've been enjoying this, and if you haven't, they're almost over and I don't care. We're getting there. We are. There's there's just so much happening, and we knew that if we put it into like one long episode or like two super long episodes, you guys would hate us and you would blink out and you just Yeah, you guys would lose interest and They wouldn't all be taken in and each of these really needs to get the attention it deserves. Absolutely it has. So on that note. On that note. Welcome back to Justice 4. We are your hosts. I'm Jackie. And I'm Sam. Ooh, I did the peace with my opposite hand this time. It was weird. That was weird. Anyway. All right. So I'm really excited for what you've got for us today. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before I get into what we're about to talk about and to our updates, go follow us on all of our socials. Why aren't you following us on our socials yet? Why not? What the hell? Do it. All of them. Make sure you're like, follow, subscribe wherever you're listening or watching. that way you don't ever miss an update. You don't miss a live show announcement, and you don't listen miss any breaking news. We've also been doing more trial coverage lately, so you'll definitely want to be checked in for that. I don't really have anything else. Not really the only thing I want to mention is that our live show is next week, y'all. yeah, it is. Voodoo Brewing on a Thursday, September third, six PM. we might still have some reserved seats left. I don't know. Go ahead and message us and ask. We are recording all these way in advance. Yeah. in preparation for our live shows and things. So just let us know. Yeah, let us know. If you guys wanna Reserve spot we got you. And we're so excited to see you there. If you can't make it to the one on September third, we do have another one on October thirtieth at Painting with a Twist off Powers and Constitution. That one you will have to buy tickets for. Yes, you will. I will have more info and links on that in our description below for you. And yeah, we're really excited about that. We're gonna do candle making this time instead of a DIY. it's super fun and yeah, we'll have more info coming out. It's gonna be a good time. Let's get into these fucking updates, y'all. Let's do it. Yeah. All right. First off, we're gonna start with Her best friend Yvonne Missy Woods. if you have been following the Yvonne Missy Woods case with us, you know this story just keeps getting bigger and bigger and it's a fucking mess. All right. This story actually broke while we were recording one day. It did. And like I was shitting myself. And I was just like, holy shit guys, holy shit, this is gonna change so much. Yeah. And it has. It hasn't stopped changing. I don't Just listen, just listen, okay. The former Colorado Bureau of Investigation DNA analysis was accused of manipulating forensic evidence in thousands of criminal cases, leaving victims, defendants, and entire communities questioning whether justice was truly served. When we first talked about this case, Woods was facing more than a hundred felony charges and was preparing to go to trial. At the time, there were so still so many unanswered questions about what would happen next and what accountability would actually look like. Well, now we're finally getting a major update. After maintaining her ev her innocence for months, Yvonne has finally accepted a plea deal, avoiding what would have been one of the most closely watched criminal trials in Colorado history, except for Barry Morphe. The yeah. Yeah, this is it's the agreement guarantees prison time, but it also raises new questions about the thousands of cases touched by her work and whether this plea will bring any sense of closure to the people who were affected. Before we get into the plea deal, let's quickly revisit how we got here. Yeah. For nearly 30 years, Yvonne Missy Woods worked as a forensic DNA analysis for the CBI. During that time, she was considered one of the state's top DNA experts. She analyzed evidence in thousands of criminal investigations, including murders, sexual assaults, kidnappings, and other violent crimes. Prosecutors relied on her findings, defense attorneys rarely questioned her conclusions, and jurors often viewed DNA evidence as the most reliable evidence presented in court. That all began to unravel in late twenty twenty three when an intern reviewing one of Woods' old cases noticed discrepancies in her work. What initially appeared to be a simple documentation issue quickly turned into a much larger investigation. An independent review found that Woods had manipulated DNA testing over a period of years by deleting electronics. Data, skipping required quality control procedures, failing to properly document her testing, and in some cases, continuing to test samples until she obtained the results she was looking for. Yeah. Yeah. Investigators also discovered that in dozens of sexual assault cases, reports indicated that no male DNA had been found when testing had actually detected male DNA or contamination that should have been that should have prompted additional analysis. Should have. Should have. As investigators dug deeper, the scope of the scandal became almost unimaginable. Woods had worked on more than ten thousand criminal cases during her career, and approximately a thousand of those cases were flagged for review because of concerns about the integrity of her work. The fallout was immediate. Immediate. Convictions were questioned, prosecutors began reviewing old cases, defense attorneys filed appeals, and victims were forced to relive traumatic experience experiences as the criminal justice system tried to determine which cases had been affected. But yet they won't tell us. Nope. No they won't. In January of twenty twenty five, prosecutors charged Woods with a hundred and two felony counts including cybercrime, forgery, attempting to influence a public servant, and perjury. She originally pled not guilty and a lengthy trial was expected to begin in twenty twenty six. But instead of going to trial, everything changed. On june twenty third, twenty twenty six, Woods accepted a plea deal and pled guilty to four felony charges. So cybercrime, first degree perjury, attempting to influence a public servant, and forgery. As part of the deal, prosecutors dismissed the remaining charges while consolidating years of alleged misconduct into those four counts. One of the Biggest takeaways from the plea agreement is that Yvonne will still serve prison time. Yeah. Under the agreement, she faces a stipulated sentence of between 8 and 16 years in the Department, I'm sorry, the Colorado Department of Corrections. That means the judge cannot resentence her outside of that range. Her sentencing is scheduled for September 8th, 2026. Jefferson County District Attorney Alexis King said the plea ensures accountability while sparing victims and witnesses from having to endure what would have been lengthy and emotional and a difficult trial. she also emphasized that the agreement guarantees a prison sentence rather than allowing the possibility of probation. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation described Wood's actions as crim as intentional criminal fraud committed by a single employee and says the agency has since implemented significant reforms to strengthen oversight and prevent similar misconduct from happening again. Even with the plea agreement, this story is far from over. Hundreds of cases are still under review. What? So fun fact. Do you know what case is strongly being speculated and they won't give a definitive answer about whether or not she was a part of? Can you guess a very infamous Colorado case? John Bennet. They will since they will not confirm nor deny what cases she worked on or release a list outside of the prosecution, there is strong, strong suspicion that she may have been a part of John Bennet Ramsey. But that would have been in the very early years of her career there. Hundreds of cases are still under review. The prosecutors across Colorado continue working through the enormous task of determining whether Wood's misconduct affected the outcome of individual prosecutions. For victims, defendants, and families alike, many questions remain unanswered. While Wood's plea marks a major milestone in this case, the impact of her actions will likely continue to be felt throughout Colorado justice system for many, many years to come. we have already talked about one case. and there's more and more cases without a release of them, just slowly kind of finding out through the news when these defense attorneys and other people who are convicted or victims start to find out and start to do things, that's when we start to know about it. but I like like we said in our original episode about her, this is going to take decades to sort out and so much money and so much this is this is going to fuck the Colorado court systems for a minute with untangling this. I can't even begin to imagine the logistical nightmare she has caused by being fucking lazy. Pretty much. Alright. So the next case update is actually the one and only one from season two. Okay. Alright. So we're talking about Ellen Greenberg, baby. Apparently we got some PTSD after we did these updates in season two for season one that season two we just wrapped everything up with a bow. I mean not really. We had a lot of missing persons, but But nothing there's nothing nothing is dumb about it. So sorry. No, no, let me strike that. She She has a lot of missing person. I wrapped my shit up nicely. She did. I didn't. I tried. Anyway, let's talk about Ellen Greenberg and the update here. On January 26th, 2011, 27-year-old elementary school teacher Ellen Greenberg was found dead in her kitchen in her Philadelphia apartment. She had suffered 20 stab wounds, including injuries to the back of her head and neck. I didn't mean to just chuckle as you said that. I realized that looks so bad. I'm only chuckling because how do you stab yourself in the back of the head? Twenty times. I know. I'm just saying. That's I'm sorry, I just had to clarify why I was chuckling while she's going over her injuries because every time I just I think about the fact where they're like, Yeah, you can totally stab yourself in the back of the head, it's fine. Yeah. Let me keep explaining. I'm sorry. You're good. Her fiance, Sam Goldberg, told investigators he had been locked out of the apartment after returning home from the gym. After receiving no response from Ellen, he forced open the apartment door and called 911 when he saw her. When police first arrived, detectives reportedly treated Ellen's death as a homicide because of the violent nature of her injuries. Crazy. However, after further consultation between investigators and the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office, the manner of death was changed to suicide. That decision immediately sparked controversy and has remained at the center of this case ever since. Yep. Cause what do you mean? What do you mean she stabbed herself in the back of her head and f neck fift twenty times. And you know. She had a knife sticking out of her chest that he didn't notice until he unzipped her hoodie to do C PR. 'Cause that's normal. That's crazy. And I mean, I don't know about you, but you know, I don't know how many closed door meetings change a death ruling. Hm. Ellen's parents, Josh and Sandy Greenberg, have spent more than fifteen years fighting to have her death reclassified or reinvestigated. They argue that the evidence, including the number and location of Ellen's wounds, bruising found on her body, and questions surrounding the apartment door, does not support a finding of suicide. No. Over the years, several independent forensic experts have echoed those concerns, stating they believe the circumstances deserve. Further investigation. Perhaps most notably, Dr. Marlon Osborne, the medical examiner who performed her autopsy, later testified that he no longer believes suicide is the appropriate appropriate manner of death. Despite this, the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office has repeatedly upheld its official ruling of suicide. Specifically, he said that he was not aware of the doorman going upstairs. Or no, he thought the door yeah, he was unaware. He thought that somebody was with Sam when he got into the apartment. And that is why he changed his ruling. Yes. So now for the most recent update, the most significant development came early twenty twenty six, so this year, when it was announced that federal authorities had opened a new investigation into her death. While officials have not disclosed what prompted the investigation and what it specifically involves, the news was welcomed by her family, who have spent years seeking review of the evidence. And you know, it Yeah. Made the rest of us quite happy about this too. At this time, no arrests have been made, no charges have been filed, and no public findings have been released from the federal investigation. Her Ellen's death remains officially classified as a suicide, unfortunately. However, the launch of a federal investigation has renewed hope for her family and many of those who have followed the case that unanswered questions may have finally received a fresh independent examination. Whether the federal review ultimately confirms the original conclusion or uncovers new evidence, it represents the most meaningful movement in this long-debated case in years. For now, the mystery surrounding what happened to Ellen Greenberg does remain unresolved. But we still have hope. I mean we have the FBI now. We do. And that's God, I just remember listening to a Nancy Grace episode of this because Nancy Grace co-wrote a book with this. and her being like, What does it take to get the FBI involved? And I was like, I don't know, bitch. Don't you know them? Call them. Like the whole time I'm in the car, like, bitch, you know FBI people, call them. I don't know, you know better than me. You've been doing this longer. You used to be an attorney. You do it. Yeah, I just remember her just yelling, What does it take to get the FBI involved? I don't know, bitch, make a phone call. I cannot wait to find out what re sparked this. I think it's the medical examiner's statement. When he came out and he said that had he known that the doorman going up was a lie, he never would have changed that ruling. And then he stood by his ruling and then the state was like, nah, gang gang, we're gonna keep this. So I really think the FBI was like, Wow, guys, I think some shady shit might be going on. Please go listen to Ellen's episode, do your own research. Sam had very high profile connections in the state, in the county, in the courts. Yes he did. What a police like he has connections and he called them before the police were ever called. So please, please go listen and research you you're gonna get pissed and you're gonna understand why we need all of the support behind her parents, because her parents have already managed to do something that no civilian has ever done and it's almost impossible for prosecutors to even get done. And that is a reversal the medical examiner coming out and saying he was wrong and that it should have been a homicide. It is damn near impossible. Possible to get that reversed. Correct. It is I To be fair, it's not reversed, but this is what the the the turning point that they possibly need to get it re-looked at to play. And and reopen and all this like yeah, it is it's damn near impossible for a civilian to do this, let alone a pro like a prosecutor, let alone a civilian. Correct. So I mean Her parents are the ultimate parents and we will stand behind them in any way we can. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. All right. The return to nature funeral home. You guys we listen, I am aware we don't have a full episode on this. We okay. We have still going to. We're still going to. Don't get me wrong. We have WTF episodes on it. But we have had so many cause this happened here. It happened here. And we've had so many people reach out to us and want to talk to us about it that we're trying to figure out how to do this episode. And not only on that side, but on the side of plea deals. No plea deal. Plea deal. We're going to jail. We're not going to jail. We have state charges. We have federal charges. Turning against each other. We're gonna turn against each other. The federal isn't connected to the state charges. State charges aren't connected to the federal charges. We have like you guys We needed all of it to come out because it's confusing as shit. Like we'll get a post that's like, they were they took a plea deal for this and then a month later they're the same person took a plea deal. I like, We just had a plea deal. No, this plea deals for different charges. So Bear with us. You guys are getting bits and pieces and we won't have a whole episode, but we will we will compile them all together eventually. and we're gonna have victim impact on it and everything like that. So this is you get an update for now, okay? Bear with us. I'm walking ya. We're trying, we're trying. So The Return to Nature funeral home in Penrose, Colorado, became the center of one of the most disturbing funeral home scandals in US history. We can't even say Colorado because Colorado has so many funeral home controversies and things and scandals. We can't even say in Colorado. We have to say in the US history because in US history. Because Colorado has the shittiest funeral laws and regulations. Authorities discovered nearly a hundred and ninety one. Nine zero digits decomposing bodies and properly stored inside of one of the facilities buildings in October of twenty twenty three. The funeral home was owned by John and Carrie Halford. They marketed themselves as an environmentally environmentally friendly funeral service, promising green burials and cremations. Instead, the investigators say they left the bodies to decompose for years while giving many families urns filled with dry concrete mix instead of their loved ones' ashes. The investigation also uncovered widespread financial fraud. Prosecutors alleged that the Hallfords took payments for funeral services they never performed and fraudulent fraudulently obtained nearly $900,000 in COVID-19 relief funds, which they spent on luxury vehicles, vacations, cryptocurrency, and cosmetic procedures instead of operating their business. And honestly, that is where most of their charges come from. Pretty much. In 2024, both John and Carrie pled guilty in federal court to conspiracy to commit wire fraud. John was later sentenced to twenty years in federal prison, while Carrie received an 18 year federal sentence. Both were also ordered to pay more than a hundred million dollars in restitution. Which isn't gonna happen, but I'm glad that we put that in there. Yes. This girl, you about to get so mad. I don't know how much you know about this plea. I know a lot about it. I just meant in general. Like I love how we did that knowing damn well it's not gonna happen, but okay. The state criminal case proved much more complicated. Initial plea agreements were rejected by the judge after emotional victim impact statements from families who argued the prosecution I'm sorry, who argued the proposed sentences were far too lenient given the scale of the crimes. I agree. I agree. Rather than proceed to trial, the Halfords negotiated new plea agreements with significantly harsher sentencing ranges, which the court ultimately accepted in early of 2026. John pled guilty to 191 counts related to the abuse of human remains and was sentenced to 40 years in Colorado State Prison. Carey also accepted a plea agreement and was sentenced to 30 years in state prison. Their state sentences will run concurrently with their federal prison terms. In addition to the criminal cases, a Colorado judge ordered the Hallfords to pay approximately $950 million in damages to victims' families. One of the largest civil judgments in Colorado history. Although it's unlikely the couple will ever be able to pay that amount. The ruling serves as symbolic acknowledgement of the extraordinary harm inflicted on nearly two hundred families. And they can't even take like from the business or any of that stuff because even once John and Carrie were released and they were out on bond, they were living in a hotel and they were door dashing. And till people Figured out they were door dashing, and then everybody started reporting this and they got banned from DoorDashing and Uber Eats and any of those things. So they don't have money anyway. And so while I appreciate these kinds of things, I feel like we need something different other than putting out monetary fines for People that will never be able to pay these amount of monies. They're never gonna get it. They make maybe fifty cents a fucking day. Yeah, and they're what, in their sixties, so therefore they're thirty years in jail. I mean obviously like thirty plus okay, so they're concurrently not consecutively. That's true. They're concurrently so but if they're in their sixties and thirty years they're we're talking in their nineties. They're gonna die in jail. Which when you so sometimes you have to take into account how old they are with how many years they're getting, because thirty years doesn't sound like a lot for this But when you're already in your mid sixties, you're gonna be in your mid nineties when you get out. So while while it sounds awful, they're also pretty much getting life in prison. This case also prompted sweeping reforms to Colorado funerals industry, leading lawmakers to pass stricter licensing, inspection, and oversight requirements for funeral home operators in an effort to prevent another tragedy like Return to Nature. Yes, we're getting the reform. In the event of us trying to get this reform, more cases have come up. I was about to say, and this is how we got the Davis mortuary case. Yep. And we'll do an episode on that, I promise you. I was just waiting for something that just recently happened to happen and then I'm gonna get in it with you guys. I just needed something to Yeah. I needed I needed a hearing to happen. Now we're good. Why it has taken to twenty twenty six to get reforms on funeral home services is beyond me. You want me to tell you why? Please. I researched this. Okay, so the thing was was that it actually started happening right after, but it takes a long time for these things to get in place. So One of the things is is that Colorado has the loosest licensing requirements to be a funeral director or to own a funeral home or a crematory and those things. It's very interesting how lax our laws are here. But the thing is is that you can't just magically make a new law and implement it all over all at one time. So we have to do this in stages and they are going through the stages I don't remember exactly what they are. I feel like I had this in our other WTF about this. Probably. or I looked it up while I was listening to a podcast episode about it. so essentially we do have them being rolled out. Something was rolled out this year in twenty twenty six. I cannot remember exactly what it was. but they are rolling things in, which is how so inspections was the first one. I think it is either yearly or bi-yearly. Not by like twice a year or once a year, inspections, in funeral homes, which is how what happened at Davis Mortuary got caught. So we are getting there. It's just a slow rollout and changing things. the other issue is that funeral the funeral industry is a family industry. These funeral homes are usually ones that are in generations of family. Once again, the Davis Mortuary was a family mortuary. They were brothers, and it was a hundred-year-old funeral industry that they got. So It's interesting. It's interesting. These things are in instead of you going to school I mean you do go to school and you get your license and do that, there's a lot of them which are just taught by family and handed down. So we will have more on that to come, but it is very, very intriguing how they're rolling out the new laws. I'm just happy it's happening, man. Alright, y'all. Let's talk about our last update for today. does the name Momta Bat ring any bells for you? I remember. Well, if it doesn't, Momta Bat was a twenty eight year old nurse and mother from Manassas Park, Virginia. I like saying Manassas. I like Manassas. That's where my middle school was. I've never been to Manassas, but I like saying Manassas. It is 'cause it has ass in the middle of it. That's why we all enjoyed it as a kid. Man ass is. Manassas. Sorry. She is from Manassas Park, Virginia, and was reported missing early of August of twenty twenty four. Her husband Naresh reported her disappearance on August fifth, several days after she was last seen. Prior to that, coworkers became concerned when Momta failed to show up to work, prompting police to conduct a welfare check. During that initial visit, Naresh declined to report her missing, delaying the official investigation. As investigators dug deep, they uncovered a significant amount of evidence pointing towards foul play. Bloodstains were discovered throughout the couple's home, and surveillance footage captured Naresh purchasing cleaning supplies, knives, and other items around the time of her disappearance. Security cameras also showed him. making multiple trips to dumpsters and a commercial trash compactor in Falls Church, Virginia, where investigators believed he disposed of evidence. Prosecutors later revealed forensic testing linked blood found on a reciprocating power saw into the home to DNA obtained from N Momta's hairbrush. And human hairs were also recovered from the saw. Authorities believe Mamta was killed and dismembered inside of her home, although her body has never been recovered. Yeah. In December of twenty twenty four, a grand jury indicted Naresh on charges of first degree murder, physically defiling a dead body, and concealing a dead body. He has remained in custody without bond since his arrest. Prosecutors have argued that the evidence against him is overwhelming despite the absence of her remains. my god, it was overwhelming before we even had the evidence of the saw. Yeah. It was overwhelming amount of evidence. Like yeah. I I it's been a while, but I swear there is something about a suitcase and her passport. Or no, his suitcate and passport. When they came to arrest him he was packing and he had his passport on the bed and he was like, I wasn't going anywhere and they're like, Sir, you were packing your shit with a passport. He's all I just carry that. So originally Naresh's murder trial was expected to begin in 2025, but it was later postponed to October of 2026 after the defense requested a continuance and prosecutors did not oppose it. The delay devastated her family, who has publicly expressed frust frustration over having to wait another year for trial. And I understand that and I and I feel the family's frustration and I know I would have the same frustration. But at this point I'm starting to appreciate judges who are granting delays on the grounds of evidence and needing to go through discovery because we are watching to help in the long run. It is. We are watching too many convictions get overturned for clerical errors that I'm I'm appreciating these judges. Like, except for you, Marcus. You you get no more delays, you get no more continuances, except for you, you don't count. We'll talk about you next episode. Bitch. You'll follow me next week, guys. I'm just saying. That's the only case I do not but I'm just really glad that we are making sure that we are not going to fuck this shit up. I agree. I agree. Like it's frustrating. We get it. We want justice to finally prevail. But we want it quick. And we're in a society of streaming and multiple systems of Immediate year and immediate immediate scroll and engagement and that's This isn't a law and order SVU episode. This isn't a criminal minds episode. We don't get a trial wrapped up in an hour with an investigation. This stuff takes years. And if especially because we don't have her body, they have to have the evidence right. Yes. A conviction without a body is very doable. We've seen it time and time again. But you have to make sure you do it right. Correct. Correct. So as of right now. trial is scheduled to begin on October fifth of this year. And is expected to l last approximately twenty-five days in court. Wow, that's a lot longer than I I was expecting you to tell me like two weeks. I didn't really see a twenty five day trial out of this. Also really weird that they put it in days and not in weeks, but okay. I know approximately twenty five court days is what it says. So Running into mid November. So maybe six weeks. Five, six weeks, depending on if they take days off, half days. We might have some gaps in like getting people in the It's Virginia. There might be snow. Does it snow in Virginia? Listen, two inches was all it took to cancel school. Sometimes we'd have a snow day and it wasn't even snowing on our half of the county. No no, honey. We're not worried about snow in this area. No no. Okay. No no. Okay Jury selection and pretrial hearings are scheduled beforehand and the judge has indicated she is likely to allow audio recordings of the proceedings for podcast and media coverage. Though cameras have not yet been approved. Naresh remains jailed without bond after another attempt by his defence to secure his release was denied. It's like he's a flag exactly. I wonder if any of my friends in Virginia listen and want to go. A couple times. Let me know. Nearly two years after she vanished, her body has still not been found, but her friends, family, and supporters continue holding visuals and advocating for justice. This case has drawn international attention, particularly in Nepal, where Mamta was originally from, and many will be watching closely when the long awaited trial finally begins this fall. Yeah. I really hope Grisilla from Grizzly True Crime covers this. I really, really, really, really, really love her court her trial coverage. Yes. We listened to a lot of her with Ganon. Yes. I and the other guy, yeah. I love Grisilla. She is amazing. Madeline Soto. Yes. She is actually like the expert on Madeline Soto. She's in the Netherlands. She has she has all the body cam footage. She gets all the releases. Like Vinny Paulin calls her up to find out information about Madeline Soto. I love her. And I if you guys have never watched her or her coverage, my god. I I yeah, she is she's incredible with what she does and how well she does this. And it's also super cool. She used to be a pilot. Hell yeah. Like she's just a badass. And her voice, by the way, her accent. man. She's so cute. I love it. I love her. Sorry. I had to fangirl over her for a second. Guess what? We get to talk about her next week. We do. In the next update episode, the final update episode, guys. We know. We know. It's okay. We know you're sad. We we know you're you're very sad that this series is almost over. I know. And you want us to keep it going. Yeah. But unfortunately, I mean we have to do other cases. We gotta get back into deep dives, man. So we hate to tell you guys but the final episode of updates is next week. Yes, we know you guys are probably wanting a full deep dive on something. I will tell you our lives are currently a little hectic, so we needed to push this out, not only for us, but also because y'all would probably get really bored with all the updates and get it confused because I was getting confused while writing it. And I have two really good deep dives coming for you guys after these updates or over I've been working on them for at this point about a month and a half now. Yeah. And they're gonna be really good episodes that I promise are worth the wait. Yep, yep, yep. But with that, make sure you follow us on all of our socials. Like, follow, subscribe. At Justice for Podcast. Yeah. 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Anyway, we will catch you guys next week with our final update and then we will catch you at the live show. She forgot what she was gonna say now. Yeah. Anyway, we'll catch you guys next week. Please stop killing each other. Lock your doors. Don't leave your fucking friends. Okay, love you. Bye.