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Who Killed Tupac? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Conye mcspadin.
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  Speaker 2: Right, hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Connor mc sped and we're your co host.
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  Speaker 1: God damn it. Who killed Tupac?
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  Speaker 2: We're getting to the bottom of it, man.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna find out today. I mean we're not.
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  Speaker 2: No, for sure it's a rap murder. No one's ever
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  Speaker 2: gonna find out who did it for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is like has there ever been a solved rap murder? No,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't have Big L. No, we don't know who
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  Speaker 2: killed Big L. You know. And the thing about it
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of those including Big L, people know
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  Speaker 2: like jam Master Jay got shot in front of five people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: allegedly by someone that they all know, and they just
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  Speaker 2: they just kept quiet and that Like one guy was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking down at my phone when the person
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  Speaker 2: walked in. I don't know who it was.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, this was like two thousand and four. What were
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  Speaker 3: you doing on your phone? Playing snake asshole?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I forget that because jam Aster J did the coolest
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  Speaker 3: shit with fifty cent where he was like you have
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  Speaker 3: to write ten hooks before you can write your verse.
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  Speaker 3: Rappers love writing verses, but they hate writing hooks. So
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  Speaker 3: he basically made him go through like hook boot camp.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's smart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty smart. Well, and Tupac got shot
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas after a Mike Tyson fight.
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  Speaker 3: That's like an old Chappelle bit. I think it's like
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  Speaker 3: more people saw Tupac get shot than saw the fucking
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  Speaker 3: moon Land Big or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Tupac and Notorious Big. I think I think
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  Speaker 2: they got killed here in La Yeah. And it's it's
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  Speaker 2: such a fucked up night that Biggie got killed because
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  Speaker 2: he he's at this party for life after Death and
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  Speaker 2: like you know, he gets to hear everyone react to
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  Speaker 2: hearing hypnotize in public for the first time. He's on
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  Speaker 2: top of the world, and then.
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  Speaker 1: Just bat boom over.
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  Speaker 3: I think the only one we know for sure is
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  Speaker 3: Big Punisher and heart disease. The Big Punter should get shot.
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  Speaker 3: I was never a huge Big pun fan. I know
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  Speaker 3: he's like amazing, I just never took the time to
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  Speaker 3: get into it. But was he like a cancer guy
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  Speaker 3: or a fucking murder guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pretty sure that was just like a heart.
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  Speaker 2: I think he had a heart attack. Yeah that guy.
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  Speaker 2: That guy was like straight up fucking enormous. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: then if you there's all these articles in that well,
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  Speaker 2: his son a couple weeks ago wrote an article about
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  Speaker 2: how shitty of a dad like he was just a crazy,
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  Speaker 2: abusive fire Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Really yeah, Oh well now that gives me a good
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  Speaker 3: excuse to not have to listen to Capital Punishment. Yeah
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard it, yeah, because I know I would
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  Speaker 3: like it, and I'll hear people like quote big pun
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  Speaker 3: lines or whatever. Yeah, you know who was But big
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  Speaker 3: L fucking sucks because I just love Big L was
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  Speaker 3: just evil.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The first single was called Devil's Son, and he was
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  Speaker 2: just super slick and just zero fucking nothing about like,
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  Speaker 2: oh but I want to have a family and take
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  Speaker 2: care of my mom.
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  Speaker 3: He's just like I like killing people, selling drugs and
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  Speaker 3: being the best at rapping. Yeah, dude, fucking rappers like
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  Speaker 3: famous rappers. Sons is such a funny sub section of
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  Speaker 3: like popular cull like Odb's Son was like going out
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  Speaker 3: and doing like Brooklyn Zoo before the Wu Tang shows
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  Speaker 3: and like a couple of years ago to like bring
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  Speaker 3: the full kind of clan together and just so fucking
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  Speaker 3: incredibly bad. Oh really, I'll go key, I'll go check
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  Speaker 3: and see what he's doing every once in a while
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  Speaker 3: and just be like all right, yep, still bad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Tupac one is. I mean, what's crazy about it
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  Speaker 3: to me in terms of the fact that it's unsolved
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  Speaker 3: is that Shue Knight was in the car. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: he had to have seen something for sure. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 3: that's the great thing. And Christalia had a bit about this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's not a special or anything,
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  Speaker 3: but he's just talking about how Tupac's last words were
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  Speaker 3: fuck you when they asked him what who shot him?
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  Speaker 3: And it's just like, dude, like what like what like
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  Speaker 3: gangster way to go out? Yeah, it's just like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't even want to cooperate with the cops in my own.
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  Speaker 2: Murder unless it was like some Vietnamese dude who shot
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  Speaker 2: him and fuck you was just his name. We're just Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That was very good Tupac the justice he deserves.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I like to think that I live in like a
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  Speaker 3: minority port web of racist joke prediction, but I had
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  Speaker 3: that one fucking caught me off.
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  Speaker 2: Bright dude. That was well done.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: That last picture of Tupac and Shug, like, how fuck
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  Speaker 3: Shug just kind of looks like a black Homer Simpson
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  Speaker 3: where he's just very he just like he's just bald.
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  Speaker 3: He just looks completely over everything, which I gotta imagine
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  Speaker 3: is this fucking natural arresting expression. But still, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: a good that one is fucking you know. The guy
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  Speaker 3: who took that was like, I'm gonna sew somebody swap
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  Speaker 3: me t shirts of this in twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Joe Dosh.
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  Speaker 3: Once called Suge Knight the black Snidly Whiplash, which I
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  Speaker 3: think is one of the funniest things I've ever heard
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  Speaker 3: in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a whole bit about Suge Knight. It's
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  Speaker 2: like a fucking five minute bit, but it's more of
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  Speaker 2: a piece. It's like a whole treatise on the nature
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  Speaker 2: of the man. Yeah, Suge Knight, he's because he's unkillable,
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  Speaker 2: like he really, Yeah, you're not gonna shoot shuog Knight
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  Speaker 2: to death with bullets.
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  Speaker 3: Like what Keith Richards has for drugs, sug Knight has
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  Speaker 3: for gun violence, right right, It's just he's going there's
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  Speaker 3: something in his jeans where it's just like nah, man, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's one incident where he either got shot or stabbed
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  Speaker 2: and just got up and walked himself to the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like that's like some teddy Roosevelt giving
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  Speaker 3: a speech shit exactly, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Like stop wasting your bullets.
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  Speaker 3: And the hospital was like, oh, mister Knight, how are you, hey, Gina,
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  Speaker 3: how are the kids you know.
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  Speaker 1: Here mister Knight's room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the usual.
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  Speaker 3: Uh dude, Suge Knight's Twitter, go go on a deep
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  Speaker 3: dive on that. My roommate Ramsey was doing a bit
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  Speaker 3: on Twitter, oh yeah, where every day he would just
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  Speaker 3: go retweet an old Sugar Knight retweet and it's funny
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  Speaker 3: because she's like such the he's this iconic pop culture character.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like they've got like twenty five retweets, eighty
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  Speaker 3: four favorites.
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  Speaker 2: They're not like huge, like they're not like blowing up.
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  Speaker 2: But one of them was just like, yeah, it's time
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  Speaker 2: for the night life, but night was spelled k n
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  Speaker 2: i ghd. It's just corny ass shit like that. It's
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  Speaker 2: so funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's so great. Yeah, just now time for the nightlife, Sugar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's not. This was like he went back
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  Speaker 2: to like twenty twelve and was just like time for
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  Speaker 2: the night Knife.
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  Speaker 1: Vanessa met shug Knight once and did not know.
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  Speaker 2: Who it was. Oh god, that's the fucking worst.
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  Speaker 1: She showed me the picture and was like, is this
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  Speaker 1: Rick Ross?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, Vanessa is racist. Yeah, like you
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  Speaker 2: took a picture with sug Knight you almost died. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: no that You're gonna look at that picture and you'll
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  Speaker 2: be slowly fading out of it on some back to
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  Speaker 2: the future shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They uh like that's like.
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  Speaker 3: Pat Hausill had this great story about his brother Matt,
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  Speaker 3: like like working at like Jimmy Killer or something, and
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  Speaker 3: Elvis Costella is doing his sound check, just an acoustic
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  Speaker 3: sound check, and Pad's biggest Elvis costellis son.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, oh my god, what songs did he play?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Did he did you like Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: To the Working Weekend? He was like no, no, no, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't metal or whatever. And he's just like, you asshole,
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  Speaker 2: if you would have met sug Knight, like you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have you would have not have bathed since you know
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  Speaker 2: you would have Yeah, yeah, you gotta ask some questions
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  Speaker 2: would have had your outfit like the put behind glass
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  Speaker 2: framed in the studio, move over iron Gianne we Gotta
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  Speaker 2: and she met him somewhere crazy like Fullerton. I think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: no shit, Yeah, what the fuck is sug Knight doing
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  Speaker 2: partying in Fullerton?
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  Speaker 1: No idea.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I just want to hit on the
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  Speaker 3: nineteen year old girls that go to commuter schools and
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  Speaker 3: eat it panera bread.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the official explanation as to how,
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  Speaker 2: how and why Tupac was killed, which it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: The official story that finally came out, they think is
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  Speaker 2: that Orlando. So in a way, this is kind of
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  Speaker 2: technically a solved rap murder because the police at one
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  Speaker 2: point came out and said Orlando Anderson murdered him in
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  Speaker 2: retaliation for Tupac and sug Night beating the shit out
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  Speaker 2: of Orlando Anderson. Yeah, in the lobby and the MGM. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that makes sense, like that, I love walking through
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  Speaker 2: the MGM and just like thinking about that. I know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like that just that walk to had Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that's like a long ass hallway and he's just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what of it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just beat the shit out of somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't Tupac's last creative act that promo song for the
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  Speaker 2: Tyson Fight?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't that his like walking on thin Ice or whatever?
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  Speaker 3: The Jen Lennon did you know? What's the fucking tragic
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  Speaker 3: thing about that is that Leoko album Yo go On
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  Speaker 3: album has one of the sickest album covers. It's literally
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  Speaker 3: his blood stained glasses from when he was murdered next
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  Speaker 3: to a glass of half full water in Central Park,
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  Speaker 3: New York. And I'm like, Wow, what a great idea
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  Speaker 3: for an album cover. That's deep as hell, And then
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  Speaker 3: you try to listen to it and you're like.
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  Speaker 2: Good god, yeah, yeah, it's a It's is that the
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  Speaker 2: album that came out right after he died? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Walking on Thin Ice is a great song that is
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  Speaker 2: other people sing it. Yeah, Yeah, it's well written. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Elvis Costello has a cover of Walking on Thin Ice,
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  Speaker 2: bringing it back around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The connections are everywhere, man, I think he had something
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  Speaker 3: to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think we'd get to.
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  Speaker 2: Elvis Costello references into it in the two Pac episode
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  Speaker 2: into a Tupac Mer episode.
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  Speaker 4: That's just how white we are, ladies, and gentlemen, the whitest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Next I'm gonna start talking about power Pop. And
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  Speaker 2: then Peter Case was there, and so yeah, that the
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  Speaker 2: Orlando Anderson explanation, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it that's and they had like rival gang
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  Speaker 3: ties and all that ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he was Orlando Anderson was a Cryp. Tupac was
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  Speaker 2: a blood apparently.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, he's what's what's the I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: to pronounce that other gang that he was kind of
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  Speaker 3: affiliate Tupac's other like or like, was.
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  Speaker 2: That just like a sect of the Cryps? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Piru? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah, they're a sect of Bloods. Okay Iah, Interesting,
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  Speaker 2: I feel comfortable talking about this. We're in La Yeah
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  Speaker 2: for sure, that's where are we going to run into
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  Speaker 2: some gang members? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: It's I live in an amazing neighborhood, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, right, Adam has been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like literally the the mission statement of my
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: local game is keep the property value low so that
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  Speaker 3: they don't build more apartment complexes and gentrif and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, you guys are straight up robinhood type
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  Speaker 3: characters all about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's very charitable. I'm way into that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like this this is like it, but it's
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  Speaker 3: just it's too kind of neat to be the case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it seems like if that was really the case,
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  Speaker 2: if they're because Orlando Anderson died, but he didn't die
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  Speaker 2: for another year after Tupac, and if it was that obvious,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like they would have had some sort of
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  Speaker 2: corroborating evidence. You're, yeah, even like a Jack Ruby character
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  Speaker 2: to kind of just get him right off the fucking board. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which Black Ruby, if you will, Black Ruby. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 2: so the the Orlando Anderson thing, he I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: dead now, so we can't That's that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: story where I think we're always gonna get is that
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  Speaker 2: he did it. But there's there's also the theory that
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  Speaker 2: maybe Shook Knight had him killed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And this one makes kind of like it's not
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  Speaker 3: the most then up there for me because it's a
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  Speaker 3: similar situation to.
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  Speaker 2: Think I'm Puffy might have hand a hand in.
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  Speaker 3: The Biggie shit because it's just like you he was
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  Speaker 3: just like Tupac is an icon and he's going out
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  Speaker 3: at the top of his game. He just put out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Calluminati and it's just like all right, well
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  Speaker 3: he can leave me, he can get the fucking he
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  Speaker 3: can sue for the rights to the records back, he
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  Speaker 3: can start his own company and get the or just
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  Speaker 3: Golden Goose forever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna keep on laying eggs. He's selling t shirts,
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  Speaker 2: he's fucking they're licensing his songs and movies all that shit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he had all this unreally shit and he just you know,
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  Speaker 2: kept that in his Meanwhile, let the Legion of Doom
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  Speaker 2: go down there and like open up big like Beta
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  Speaker 2: Max tapes and like okay, Yeah, that's that's the thing
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  Speaker 2: about Tupac that makes this one seem more likely. This
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  Speaker 2: this a more likely scenario than Puffy having something to
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  Speaker 2: do with Biggie, because Biggie didn't have that, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have that treasure trove of songs, whereas.
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  Speaker 3: If you listen to the Pashuma's Biggie albums, you'll find
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  Speaker 3: that is very true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like ten yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's Born and Born Again and the Dude
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  Speaker 2: Dot shit and it's just like this all kind of blows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the the goolest shit on there is like
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  Speaker 3: the kind of unreleased stuff like or like the uh
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  Speaker 3: the ship that got him into the unsigned hype. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: call like some of those like old like and it's
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  Speaker 3: just like a nineteen year old Big just like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like fucking Rhinoceros in on the mic and then everything else.
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  Speaker 3: You're just kind of like, all right, well, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: could have stayed in the pile, like for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Tupac put out what fifty sixty albums after he died, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like well, and it's just it's I I've always been
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  Speaker 2: more a fan of Big.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the quality is just higher with Biggie.
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  Speaker 3: I think it just like yeah, maybe not like in
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  Speaker 3: terms of like the greatest works compared, but in just
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  Speaker 3: like in the the ratio, the hit ratio is pretty immaculate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think between the two, I've always preferred Biggie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then Tupac just kind of got into some crazy shit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where Biggie was just like I just like
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  Speaker 2: to fucking hang out, you know. Yeah, Tupac turned into
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  Speaker 2: a real asshole there at the end. He did Yeah
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  Speaker 2: and Too and Shuge Knight.
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  Speaker 3: Like this is the kind of move where it's like
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  Speaker 3: there's you know, if the car's getting shot up, sug
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  Speaker 3: Knight's got like a thirty percent chance of dying. I
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  Speaker 3: mean two bucks in the past side, so most of
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  Speaker 3: the bullets are theoretically going to be absorbed by him.
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  Speaker 3: But that's exactly the kind of gamble I'd expect sug
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  Speaker 3: Knight to take.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It seems risky, but it's also the kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: that if it pays off, like yeah, it works, no
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  Speaker 2: one's ever going to be like, oh, you did it.
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  Speaker 3: It's basically an Ocean Eleven's fucking heist. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is four knocks, but you know, if we do this,
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  Speaker 3: we can just live in cancuon drinking margarita until we die.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he did.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as the shooting happened, he fucking peeled out
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  Speaker 2: and drove like three or four blocks away or something
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  Speaker 2: like that and then crashed and because he just got
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  Speaker 2: like grazed in the head or something. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can see sug Knight doing that, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's a bull. This is a man who's
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: made a career off of bold moves.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he went on fucking Jimmy Kimmel and kind
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  Speaker 2: of implied that he killed an easy e with an
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  Speaker 2: AIDS needle. He did, Yeah, which is a which is
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  Speaker 2: a kind of a crazy thing to do. And if
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  Speaker 2: I can just put it out there a weird venue
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  Speaker 2: to do it, Jimmy can't, like, Yeah, that should be
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  Speaker 2: on World Star or something.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, it's not for the Middle America crowd, sug I think.
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  Speaker 3: I think is it the ninety seven Source Awards where
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  Speaker 3: everything popped the fuck off?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's ninety five.
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  Speaker 3: It might be ninety five. You might be read I
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: because yeah he was. He would have been dead by
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: then because I was when Life After Death came out.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that is a fun watch all the way
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: through to just like fucking just I found that on
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: like Daily Motion or some shit, and it's just like,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: oh dude, and sug Night going up and he's like,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: if you don't want your producers talking all over your records,
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I sug.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I'd being all up in your videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: come to death row.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: There I saw in someone's Twitter bio once it said
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: that they were working on a screenplay about the ninety
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: five Source Awards, And I don't know if it was
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: a joke or not, but I want someone to make
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: that movie, oh fucking for sure, because that's what started
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: the whole fucking East Coast West Coast thing. Oh totally.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: That award show is when everyone I was like, oh,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: these two coasts hate each other.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was like and like some of it,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: like I forget exactly what, but some of it was
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: just on a fucking misunderstanding with like a queue. I
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: think when Pauk was supposed to go out on stage
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: or Bigby was supposed to go out on stage and
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: they kind of fucked up.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: The stage manager goofed and made it look like a
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: like a diss yeah, you know. And then at that one,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: then then this poor dude with a clipboard is like,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: oh shit started a gang war because I forgot my
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: cue sheet. Yeah, it's it's the kind of thing where
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I just wish I was in the room when, Oh,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: for sure, like give.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Me, give me ninety five Source Awards overseeing the Beatles
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: for any fucking day of the week.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: The ninety five Source Awards are my Beatles.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Like, you guys didn't get good until Rubber Soul, you know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Like I want to see fucking backup dancers like take
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: knives out of their hair.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, the the Sug Night thing, I could see it,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: and he.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Was there is talk or there was talk or rumors
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: that he was wanting to leave death Row wreck words,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: yeah at the time, which would be understandable.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: And it's also if you want to leave death Row records,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: that's not a thing that you feel comfortable floating out there. Yeah,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: you're not going to tell sug you're leaving you like
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you could just be like, you know, I'm thinking about
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: twitching from connect pal to Patreon, and no one's gonna
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: shoot you in the face, you know. But if if
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the you know, connect Pal is run by Shug Knight,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I'm keeping it on the.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: DL, Yeah, then then then you're getting shot. Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: There's also I found when I was researching this episode,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I found an article from nineteen ninety seven, so right after,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years after Tupac died, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: it's called Tupac's Missing Millions, and it's on Entertainment Weekly
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: of course. Yeah, for sure, where else do you go
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: for hard hitting investigative journalism. And it's all about how
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Tupac's mom noticed after he died that he was missing
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars that should have been in
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: his account, and the thinking was that Sug Knight took
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: that money and that maybe Tupac found out about that. Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: that that was the reason source of the friction, which
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: would make it weird that they were still hanging out
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: at a Mike Tyson fight. Yeah, well, this is well,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the whole relationship between PUC and Shug had to be
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: kind of a game of brinksmanship to a certain degree. Yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: you know where it's just like these are both like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: you know, streetwise negotiators, and it's like you don't really
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: want to be the guy that like show that you
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: know what's going on. You kind of maybe he's just
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: planning some big movies where he's just like, hey man,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I've fucking you know, you know, your your summons is
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in the mailbox, and I'm like moving to Denver some shit.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: You know what if he made that Machabelli album thinking
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: no one would really get what he was saying, because
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's pretty clear from that that he's making a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: big change in his life at some point for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: and like was he just like Shug's too dumb to
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: figure this out and then like, I can slip this bio.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: A day later, he's gonna hear me called doctor Drake
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Gay and then giggle a lot and be distracted.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Been a day later, the entire nation knows everything Tupac's planning.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and he's like, oh uh oh, that's bad.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: The guy hurt m Bad I think is his name
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: or hurt me Bad followed me on Twitter, who produced
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of those fucking songs. Though some of those
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: beats are like bomb First and Hill Mary, like oh
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: that sh it is like I love that those ship and.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: That was one of those guys.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: There's like a guy that did the same fucking thing
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: on a on a Ready to Die that got fucked
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: out of a lot of like future work and uh,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: he's all over the album. I forget his name, but
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that was just because he had a disagreement with Puffy
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: and someone with HEARDing bad, I had a disagreement with
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Sugar and they just like fun and the like.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: These are some of the great iconic rap beats of
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: all Who what could these guys have done if he
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: was like I'll do a track for nas, you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: But it's just he was didn't get to do anything
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: until like two thousand and five when Sugar had too
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: many other people trying to kill him. Yeah easy mob,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: oh easy mob. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, like that's great.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Look at the gimme the lude, machine gun funk Warning,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: ready to Die Yeah, friend of Mine. Now that's the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: worst song on the album still.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: The what the what dope?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the look at look at that run?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: If that was all he ever did, he's got more
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: classics and most producers.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's I know that name like from other rap stuff,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: but I don't know precisely what.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just didn't get He just really got short shrift.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: That's the whole thing about these big characters, you know.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And and like rap music, it's like, I mean, obviously
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: they make it kind of fun to watch and exciting,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: but like how much do they hurt over help?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I've never understood the value in fucking
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: someone over to the point that you don't even acknowledge
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that they helped with something. Yeah for sure, because to me,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: finding and identifying talent is a talent in and of itself, certainly,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and for me, I think it's just as dope if
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I if I you know, like I built this network
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: because I'm surrounded.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: By a lot of talented people.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was really easy for me to say, Hey, Connor,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: let's do a fucking conspiracy podcast because you're really funny
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and you know conspiracy, yeah for sure, and like it
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: would be you know, there's something to be said for
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that too, And why can't motherfuckers just go hey, yeah this,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Like I fucking knew this guy was well, yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: That shit takes in here like like like the doctor
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: dre hearing Eminem on the wake Up Show, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: do that only fair to war?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And I was born with a set of horns and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: just be like, oh, okay, like weird, oddball outside the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: box poll, but this guy is gonna be the biggest
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: thing in rab music for five years, you know, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: that's it. And then it's just like but he never
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: really imposed his fucking agenda on him. He just kind
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: of let him do what he wanted to do. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a while where he wasn't doing a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: lot of songs on the records. They weren't hanging out,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you know, but it's like, yeah, it's fine, there's the fun.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: You know, that's just not a fucking a creative partnership
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: fucking works. Yeah, and I like it, like you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: in basketball, Like you know, I grew up as a
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: big Lakers fan. I'm not really anymore, but I kind
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: of like LeVar Ball. I just like the big personalities
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: stirred up shit. It kind of makes it all more
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: fun to watch or whatever. Yeah, there's like a point
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: at which it's like, Okay, you're just being You're just
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: fucking the stuff for everybody, And I'm kind of glad
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like rap music really has that today. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: just kind of nice. Yeah, it does seem to have
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: gotten better. Yeah, LaVar Ball, I've not been way on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: board with him, but I do like that. I like
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: how he's handling the Trump thing. Oh yeah, it's just
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like Trump, who I don't. I don't like Lonzo is
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a pretty He's like, you know, he's a he's a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: good player. I don't know if he's worth how many
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: fucking millions he got, but he's like he's pretty cool,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: humble guy for the most part, it seems like.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: But I like that he's got that guy behind the scenes,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: just a big bottle of brand whatever, you know, Like
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: that's fun, it's fun and like I like big, colorful,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: puffy and chug characters, you know, but it's let's like
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: stop short at murder.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, don't Ruin lives.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: How great would it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Have been to hear like, you know, the Biggie on
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: some Rick Ross trap beats. That would have been amazing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would have been nice instead of hearing
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Tupac on them, because I'm sure there's like fifty Rick
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Ross songs. Oh there is.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: There is one where he does like Triple Beam dreams.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, like it's like juicy or something.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, sug Knight could have very fucking possibly have
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: done that. I mean, yeah, all that missing money that
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: might have been source of friction. Tupac might have just
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: been like I'm tired of like having you breathing down
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: my neck while I'm just trying to, you know, do
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: my weird Nation of Islam ship. Like yeah, And Jerry
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Heller also is confident that Shuge Knight is the one
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: who had Tupac killed, which makes me feel like, oh, okay,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: did you kill him then? Yeah? Yeah, Jerry Heller, So
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not trusting what the fuck you have to say?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Either man Jerry what a weird fucking partners you know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of good for Jerry Heller for seeing that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Like that's the whole kind of eye for talent thing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: It's like what an outside the buck because he wasn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: really in hip hop, Like what kind of you it
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: was in some like I forget what genre, but it
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: was not hip hop that he did.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I don't remember, but it it. Yeah, that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: was a weird team up. It was just like a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: weird like minor like dance record kind of guy or
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, yeah, I liked I liked on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: no Vasilene just how vehemently anti semitic.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you up your cu or Jerry Heller And
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: we were just like yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean great, it's so funny that you
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: can do that and then are we there yet? And
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: are we there yet too? And are we there yet?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: The TV show? Yeah yeah, and then not that I
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: think you shouldn't be able to, but it's like, fuck,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: it's just funny.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: That's another thing that lends itself to my my theory
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that rap, that gangster rap is like Fox News for
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: black people. Think about all the founding fathers of gangster
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: rap and where they are now actors. They're all fucking
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: actor They are the establishment, except doctor Dre, who basically
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: owns part of Apple now like they are the one percent.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And there was aside from that first Schoolly
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: d album, all of the really classic gangster rap albums
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: we know of our major label products, like iced Ty's
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: first album was on Warner Brothers record Oh for sure.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's you know, well yeah, and it's like
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you're not listening to NWA and the Posse with the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Arabian prints like Going Front, like you can go through
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: every track on that we're talking about straight out of
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: comp and you.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Know, oh yeah that was that was a trash album.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's fucking interesting.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I was having this discussion about punk rockers and who
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: aged the best, and we came to the conclusion that
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: was probably Henry Rowlands, you know, because I found another
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Wane and kind of he never really embarrassed himself. But
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: in terms of rappers that never really embarrassed themselves, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: feel like, you know, like everyone takes some mels, but
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like Dre probably has the highest hit ratio
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: because it's like three really good albums he had nothing
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: really cheesy, except for like when he was kept saying
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he was going to drop de talks and didn't like
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: when he put out I need a doctor that song
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: was corny, or like, yeah, cush is a fun jam,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: but it's not a good song, you know, and like
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know all that shit, and he's like, oh, in
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: never mind, I'm not going to do it for another
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: eight years, you know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's talk about the theory that Tupac faked
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: his own death. This one's my favorite. Yes, let's of
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: course it's the subject of there's a really great Chappelle
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: skit about this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the one where
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: in the club and Tupac like all of his lyrics
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: are referencing ship that's just in the room, that's in
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the room, or that happened like a day ago. Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And there's this Reddit thread where someone ran through all
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the reasons why Tupac is still alive, And I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the most interesting part of it is the end, where
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: someone just completely destroys every point this kid makes. But
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: there's like some of the things that people point to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: in the music video for to Live and Die in
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: La Apparently Tupac is wearing these Penny Hardaway shoes that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: didn't come out for like another year.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I've seen that video and it's like it's that's just
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a blurry shot of white shoes. It could be any shoes.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: And even if it is those shoes, that's how like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that's how marketing works. Yeah. They sometimes give the sure
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: yeah to famous people first, so they remember, do you.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Remember like the month before the first Yeezies dropped and
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: then just every famous person in the world from the
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: rock to Jesse Ventura just got a box of Yeezis
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and they're just like, take a picture of them on
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the grand spread the hype, you know, and that's just.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: How you do it. Yeah, So so that uh is
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: not a thing. But it's all stuff like that. It's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: all these little well I guess it's the lyrics too, yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: because there is some weird shit in his lyrics.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Oh like but like you know, wonder if having Got
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a Ghetto is like a song that fucking came out earlier.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: He recorded like gears and years before.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I think that might have been on the fucking not
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the allallyes in Me, but the first one tupocalyb sessions, well,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the one that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Always stood out to me was. There's this rapper called
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Richie Rich who's an Oakland rapper, I think, and he
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: put an album out not long after Tupac died, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: there's a song with Tupac on it, and Tupac says
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: on that song, I've been shot and murdered. Can tell
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you how it happened word for word. But best believe
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers are gonna get what they deserve. Like, what the fuck?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Don't put that on a fucking song? You know what
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: if you don't want me to believe you're still alive somewhere.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know what makes me feel like that
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that is not actually him still being alive, because if
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: motherfuckers are getting what they deserve, two pot Sugar Night
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: would have been lowered slowly into a volcano as opposed
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: to just being in a fucking you know, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: minimum security prison.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the kind of shit that like, if
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I'm at risk for dying, if I if there's a
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: comedy FATOI against me, you better believe I'm just gonna
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: start planning the seeds for conspiracy theories so I can
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: ruin my family's life by having my mother get hit
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: up for interviews every week about like why I'm actually
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: in Mexico.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: She's like, no, he's gone. I saw spot. Sorry, Ma. Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: there's one of the other things people point to is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that there was no autopsy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And the problem with that is there was an autopsy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's just that he got shot a bunch of times.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's not a lot to look for, Like
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you see the bullet holes and as the corn.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna be like, oh he also you also
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: got to he had a little granuloma.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, and it's like people are like, and then
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they also point out that there was he was cremated
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like the next day. Yeah, and people are like, when
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: are when are people cremated that fast? I don't know
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: when the fucking family wants them to be? Yeah, yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and what were you thinking you were gonna dig up
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and find when if we were to exhume the corpse
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of Tupac, Now, it's just gonna be riddled with bullet holes, man, Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a bunch of fractured bones inside of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a big denim like dumpsterit type situation. Yo. Those fuck
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: what I don't even know what the fuck those are called?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Like you know, and the hit Them Up video where
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it's just like a like big baggy jeans, like the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: well oversher type thing. There is this video that started
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: going around in two thousand and eight that people claimed
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: was Tupac uh oh alive in a club in two
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Yeah, this is what this is where
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Tupac's gonna reappear at your shitty night that you were
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: passing out the flyers for a community college to get
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a percentage of drink sales. And the thing is, the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: person in this video absolutely is Tupac. But this video
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: is from nineteen ninety five. That's funny. It's from Club
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: six six two, which it was Shook Knight's club in
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas. I think he might. I think it might
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: still be there, but I don't know if he's still home. Man,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: we've gotten so much better graphic design since nineteen ninety five.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: That looks ugly as hell.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my favorite one is Tupac supposedly watching his hologram
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: appearance at Coachella.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that one? No, we might be able
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to find that because it's just some guy doing a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: shitty Tupac impression. Like, yeah, we had to give y'all
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: a little something to like, you know, keep the faith
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: alive and shit, I mean I think this is corny,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, I'm.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Actually really Tupac.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I can't show my face because y'all ain't ready, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: uh oh yeah so too as we'll have talked about
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the Yeah, that'll probably be it. Oh boy, they don't
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: even know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: I know, and they don't even know fucking the line
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: for really, I know I'm watching I'm watching the performers
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: right now. You know what I'm saying.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I think they did a good.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Job on my animations and the way they put the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: computer generated copy.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is not a good Tupac compression at all.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I approved this message.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: And I'm doing my mother.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't you put your face on camera if
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you yeah, yeah, if you really wanting people to know that,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like con get a better video editing guy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And this just has a poorly crop picture of him
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: over his hand, continue and wet, and we still I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: didn't know Tupac had he was about to say, Tupac
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: got a botched wisdom tooth removal in Cuba.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: You know, he sounds like a fucking dildo. I had
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the greatest fucking bit that nobody liked about My buddy
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is a rapper who got shot. His name's Calie Stacks.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I E forever, Uh south Side, what's up? And uh
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: he got shot? And I had a bit just about
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: how that's like a rapper getting on like the Tonight
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Show as a comedian, like you just get more, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you think about it like Tupac. Every time he got shot,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: he would blow up one more and he finally got killed,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: and then he became more famous in death than he
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: could have ever been in life. And he was like
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: obi wan kenobi, you know it just strike me down
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: on only some more records. And the teg Keith Carey
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: gave me is that they both came back as holograms.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: A lot of simularities, but it was like it only
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like this. I wrote this that the holographs two thousand
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and eight. I wrote this is like twenty fourteen. It
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: was just way too much. It's over half a decade,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and every once in a while you get like two dudes going.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Like ah, I get that one. Yeah, cute, Yeah, So
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: the he faked his own death. The one thing that
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: is interesting about it is they always point to Cuba
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: as being the place that he would flee.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have one more video recommendation. Oh and this
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: is creepy. Tupac's mom saying that, Yeah, Tupac's mom goes
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: go quietly is probably the search terms you want to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: go with, because she's like, that's why he chose to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: go quietly like he did. Yeah, this this will be it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: An interview with Tupac's mother. She gives a few hints
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: that Tupac isn't really dead. I'm going to show you
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a clip from the interview where I think she says
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: he isn't dead, but he is hiding. And like every YouTube.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Video, I will now show you the clip. Okay, thank
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you has to have a way too long intro tired.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Who's tired of fighting, tired of being built fied, tired
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of being called things that he knew aside hisself he
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: was able to be.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I think he was just tired and you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: know he had right basically he had like I couldn't
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: change it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: As a mother, it's the worst.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I think you powers can't change it, can't make you
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: right and fix it for my baby, you know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So you know I wish she.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Was here every day.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: But I don't want him to be unhappy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And I know that my son was. He chose his
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: life and he chose you know, in the end, he
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: chose to leave quietly, and I think that can leave
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it alone. It's kind of creepy, right, is that a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: little weird? That's weird? Huh, Yeah, that it sounds. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: would like to see the original interview because the sound,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it sounds a little boggly. Dog.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It sounded like they were chopping stuff together.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Is like, if your Tupac's mom and you know your
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: son is alive, you have to before you go to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the interview, just be like a mantra a hundred times.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Do not imply that your son is still alive. Do
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: not imply that he just wanted to open that peanut
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: farm in Cuba and just like pretend to be indigenous.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But and the thing about Cuba, though, the one Cuban
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: native with a nose ring, fucking the thing about Cuba
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: is there is a family history there in that interesting.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: His mom and dad were both members of the Black
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Panther Party and there are I know a few high
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: profile Black Panthers who did eventually flee to Cuba and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: just kind of stayed there forever. So it's not im
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: like it makes sense as that would be the place
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: he would hide out.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: But also it's just like it seems like you just
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: threw an exotic, stunning location out there and it kind
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: of stuck.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Me, I had the funniest shit happened because Kaepernick did
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: that Huey Newton photo shoot right where's And I was
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: talking to my room made OPI about it, and I
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, he had that dope photoshoo where he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: dressed is Huey Newton. And I barely stopped myself from
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: saying Huey Lewis.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And we did this whole thing in the kid, I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: want a new coach, the one that won't make me sit.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That was a nice yeah. Sorry, But so yeah, he
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he's still alive. He's obviously not.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like everyone was like, well, yeah, he's coming
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: back seven days after he dies, and then they're like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: well he's coming back seven months, seven years. Well it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: a multiple. It's fourteen years, twenty one years, and it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: just like he's dead, man, I have to tell you dude,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it's like the world ending, like the date just shifts
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: every fucking we just kicked the can down the road.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so yeah, he's he's probably still alive. One
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: thing I did, oh, also in that va, he's very clearly,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: very clearly wearing a pager at one point.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It's like that's what Cuba is.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Really behind the technology. He's he's just like barely hearing
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: G Unit over there.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: They have the same clubs as Las Vegas, but no pager.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: He's like this Sammy Hagar guy can play. Wow, that's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: more Saudi Arabia.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: But one thing, uh, that I love that added fuel
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to the Tupac is still alive rumors is there's a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: song that Eminem produced that's on one of Tupac's albums
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and I can't oh. Eminem had some good beats. He
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: did the Way I Am from the Mistaken Yeah rips
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: pretty hard. Yeah, I can't find it, but it's on
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: one of Tupac's albums, and uh, basically at the end,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Tupac says something about the G Unit and it's like
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the G Unit didn't exist when you were still alive, sir,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: But I mean these are those are just phrases that
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: he would use a lot, you know there, Yeah, they're
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and when you hear it, like, it's clever as shit,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Like it's the kind of thing I can picture Eminem
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: doing where he's like, Okay, I'm producing this song. I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: also gonna make Tupac give me a shout out at
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the end, because there have to be a million instances
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of Tupac's just saying m yeah, And so you just
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: tag that on to the end of him shouting someone out,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and that's how you ignite a conspiracy theory. Yeah, for sure, say, oh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he's still alive, it's a shout out to Eminem.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Especially the stupidest one is like Tupac was still alive
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: making new.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Records, they would be of a higher quality, like the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: unreleased Tupac shit is all like Okay, this is good.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: There's some gems here, but this is the leftovers for sure,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: right yeah.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And also, he's supposedly had all these problems with his enemies.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Wasn't doctor j one of those enemies? Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he like, did they work that out when he
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: came back to exactly keep them away from me, don't
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: even shake hands with me? If you've shared hands with
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: him recently. Well, yeah, and I think Am did the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: on the on the Big Duets album, because Poc and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Biggie did one song together running from the Police. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: think it's called and he did the kind of like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: read done yeah master version of that. He probably gave
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: himself a verse or some shit. Yeah. I think that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: on the that posthumous Notorious Big album, right, I think so? Yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I also liked to Tupac was talking about driving back
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: from the Bay, and I think he just made his
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: someone was with him and he made him listen to
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: partying bullshit like five hundred times over and over again.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that he's still alive is another one of
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories. Oh yeah, there's also one that says
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: maybe Ruthless Records killed him out of revenge, Like yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Shook Knight was sniping all their artists, so they decided
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to kill Tupac. I think they just decided, like who's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the bigger creative powerhouse Easy E or Tupac Shakur Easy
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Charisma for days. But it's like good ice Cube wrote
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: all that shit.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, and it's like you look into the
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: later shit and you're like I miss when ice Cube
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: was riding. This didn't easy? Does it come out before?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Straight out of content and a strange turnament? I always
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: forget about that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw MWA in concert with ice Cube
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: when I was twelve years old. No shit, yeah wow,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: and the pieces have come together. That's like like yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that explains a lot. Like yeah, the parenting I came
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: up with where my parents were like NWA, sure, yeah, yeah, yah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: take your sister, she's sixteen.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And it was chaos, but it was so much fucking fun, dude.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Those like they had a couple of live clips of
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: like because there's not a lot of live videos of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: rappers from this era really no, not really. There's like one.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Full length Biggie show where he's kind of in this
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: like probably like five thousand see concert Hall with poc
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: or at with a with a puffy.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And it's rocking pretty hard. But it's like, yeah, it's
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: tough to find.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I think there's Tupac level of the House of Blues
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: or something like that, but it's like there's just not
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of foot so seeing like the big kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of NWA like kind of like stadium tour setup like
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: that they created was kind of interesting.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And the window of time I had to actually see
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: NWA with ice Cube because he like they were like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: he was out of that group like a year after
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they really hit Razor Fit.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I still like whenever I think about that,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's some fucking cool ship. That is cool shit.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Nw A.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: As a kid, probably the coolest thing I could do
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: was like, well, I saw the White Stripes at the
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Glasshouse with like four hundred people.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I never got to see the White Stripes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I had tickets to see them and they broke up
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: two weeks before the show.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I was wondering about that. You make White is such
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: a weird case. Sh had that sex tape supposedly come out, Yeah,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and I think it was her. Yeah, it probably was
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: because I watched, but they I didn't. I didn't watch it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I like googled for it once, couldn't find it, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I don't care.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you like, if if Meg White snarling
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: at the camera is SNAr for you, oh dear, then
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: then by all means check it out. But they fucking
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: blew my dick off.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah what they.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Just the show? They blew my dick off? It was
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: a tremendous performance. I'm sorry, Is that Is that a
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: figure of speech that I just di die? That's not
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: commonly understood. I feel like you get it just from context.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Close.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish I could have seen the white stripes,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: but I never did.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I take on Wa over the White Stripes.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Wa was cool.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: The one I'm trying to get and unpops listeners if
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: you're feeling charitable, I'm trying to get. I'm trying to
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: see the Reunited Misfits at the Forum. Oh when is that?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: That's December thirtieth. There's also they're also doing a show
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: in Vegas, I think at like the fucking Singular Wireless
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Center or whatever.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: How much are I'm assuming they're sold out by.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Now, so they sold out in like twenty minutes. But
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: they're like one hundred bucks or something to get just
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: up in the rafters. So I'm trying to I'll make it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to the show. I'm going to figure out. Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to see that. Yeah, just because
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's Misfits and Glenn Dan's. There's a great fucking
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: video of Glen Dan's. I got the Reunited show where
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: They've got these big.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Like pumpkins behind him, and he just goes, yeah, you
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: like our fucking pumpkins. They're pretty fucking cool. How'd you
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: like to have that out of your lawn for Halloween?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Neighbors would be like take that down, and you'd be like, no,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: fuck you, Well fucking kill you. Anyway, here's a song
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: about zombies, like is the best? I just I'm gonna
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: go laugh at him. Yeah, could not have less to
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: do with tubacxer Ah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: It's fine. Where so let's talk.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: About my mother? You know, I like the conspiracy show,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: but you just go with these standents. Sometimes I'm like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, mom, was we gonna do a whole hour?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Fuck you? The the thing about the ruthless records maybe
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: being involved in his death. What's interesting about it is
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the document it comes from, which is I don't know
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: if how many people know this, but go to FBI
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: dot gov sometime I think it's uh FBI dot gov.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Here I will recreate the uh oh, the series of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Google searches that led you to a You can just
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: go to fbidi gov and they have like documents you
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: can look through, like I just googled out of curiosity.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I googled Jerry Heller organized crime while I was researching
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: this episode. And there's a website that I've I've told
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: people about before. It's called Vault dot FBI dot gov. Okay,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and it is just like thousands and thousands and thousands
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of actual FBI documents about famous people, Adam, I don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: have time to know this. Various cases like this, Like
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I just googled Jerry Heller and you get this whole
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Oh and they're clearly scanned with all the ink splotches
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: on them, and shit, that's so awesome.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: But there's this one that came out a couple of
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: years ago. Atlas Obscura did a really interesting article about
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: it that basically it's this very long document about an
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: FBI investigation into not even if just into the fact
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that Tupac and Easy, both in the weeks before they died,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: were targeted in an extortion scheme that was run by
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: someone operating on behalf of the Jewish Defense League. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: they don't name the person in the documents, but it
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: seems like it's probably sug Night. Yeah, And basically what
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the way it worked is this person would start getting
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: phone calls saying you're.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Gonna be killed yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And sug Knight, They obviously would go to sug Night
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and be like, man, what's going on. This person's fucking
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: calling threatened to kill me, and sug Knight would be like, oh,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: well I have connections. I can make some phone calls
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and see what's going on. Ye yeah, the whole time
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: pay us for protection on the block, right, and the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: whole time he's in on it. So basically they would
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: at that point take this person to poke Easy whoever,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to a different residence and under the guys that they
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: were being guarded, and eventually they would have to give
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Suge Night money and he would make another phone call
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and be like all right, it's done, You're fine, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the death threats would stop. And what a racket man?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine the crew enough scary guy points that
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you could just go through a series of like fucking
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: like scarecrow phone calls and then and just like.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Just imagine your boss doing that to right shit.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I mean I can't give a fuck Jewish defensially, this
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: really just sounds like the West Coast Avengers, like kind
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: of like a second string like Superhero League. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: it's an actual like they're listed as a terrorist organization.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was reading something. I think it was
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: about one of these sex scandals where one of those
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: dudes with this I could be completely incorrect, so I apologize.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: But it was like had them like like employed, like
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: you know, it was like using them to like for protection.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, yeah, there was there was a time
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: in this country when terrorism happened all the time. It's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: just no one died, yeah, yeah, hijackings and bombings all
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the time. It was all like for like money.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was that that big white supremacist fucking
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: like armored truck jacking, right that like funded all those
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: groups for years that we talked about in Oklahoma City.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Jewish Defense League is one of those
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: groups in the seventies that was pulling off these terrorists
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: just like let's get a fucking bankroll going, and we
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: started like investing in ship And they've since then kind
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: of rebranded themselves as like an advocacy group, but they're
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: still it's still the Jewish Defense League and they're still meanwhile,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: so that's an interesting thing, like the fact that it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: FBI documents in their pages and pages and pages of them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: It is funny, just like there's probably like a certain
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: amount of the budget at the FBI. That's just like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I wonder, what do they want to figure out? Where
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: are we gonna go Tupac? Do we want to see
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: do we want to figure out what that other airhead's
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: flavor is?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Who do we follow next?
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. This website is pretty fucking fascinating. I haven't
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: sure started to dig into all the stuff that's on there,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: but this file in particular is really fascinating.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: It goes through all of that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably easier to just read the Atlas
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Obscura article as opposed to trying to power through the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: entire thing.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But they make it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like you could kind of mad libs it
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: with the names that they redact. Yeah, in that like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: at one point they're talking about an incident where this
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: shadowy figure was discussing the night life. Well, they talk
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: about one thing, one part where he and two associates
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: show up at Ruthless Records and beat up easy E Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to force him to sign over doctor Dre and the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: DC that happened, Like should Knight we all know Shude
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Knight did that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're clearly talking about Chude Knight.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's insane, Like it's crazy to think of
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the kind of cause you hear like Dennis was it
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Dennis Quaid or Randy Quaid is the.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: One who went nuts? He went nuts and was like.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm getting followed by these celebrity star whackers who
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: kill people and take their money.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, what a lunatic.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: And then you see this FBI file and it's like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: holy fuck, is Randy Quaid getting followed by celebrity star whackers?
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this shit, and it makes sense. Organized crime
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is a thing. Extortion is a thing. It really is.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and who easier than especially piece of shit?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Lastition probably last golden age of organized crime before it
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: had to go into like weird bitcoin fucking hacking. The
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: realms is like the nineties. It's like everyone still has pagers.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's not like there's a camera in everybody's pocket. It's like, yeah,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: let's get it in where it fits in, because this
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: technology is about to blow up our spot and make
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this a little bit harder.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite trends is if you go back
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and look at all the technological advances and all of
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the crimes it solved.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like cell phones.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: For a long time, a lot of crimes were solved
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: just because people didn't realize leave your cell phone at home,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: don't turn it on. Yeah, take it with you, leave
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that shit at home. Otherwise everywhere you go is just
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: gonna ping off all these towers.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Oh there's a thing on Twitter like, name a plot
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of one of your favorite movies. It would be ruined
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: if cell phones were present. And it's like so many movies.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: There's If you go back and watch really early episodes
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: of Forensic Files, it gets frustrating at some point because
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: they go through this long investigation and at the end,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: inevitably they're like, and then we pull phone records, Right,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: we didn't even need to go through all this. You
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: solve this crime in two Yeah, and you just needed
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to fill forty five minutes to sell ad space. But yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: that happens in it. You know, it's the Internet has
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: caught up with people. I feel like it happened with
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: video cameras and the police.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Like they got used to a comfortable
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: level of like, you know, like using their power and
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: then it was like, oh, there are repercussions for this.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think after the Rodney King thing, it
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, well we can do this and even
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: if it's on video, it's fine. Yeah. So then there
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: was a long time where they were like comfortable being filmed.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Me and my roommates were having a fun thing because
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: there's a Bill Hicks bit about the Rodney King rights
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: and they're talking about he's naming the obviously, like so
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Officer Jackson, Officer Peters, and officer Kune.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Is the way with his othern accent that he says it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Hey love weird, officer cute? What an unfortunately named cop?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I know one beating the shit out of Rodney King?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Oh fucking for sure. Yeah, no, it is crazy. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: then like, uh, you know, like Jerry h was just
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: like easy one to kill, Sugar. I should have let him. Yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I love That's one of my favorite interviews. Yeah, because
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: there that is a very tender scene in Straight out
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of Compton, Yeah, where he's like I want to kill him,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and Jerry Heller's like, don't do that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I just realized, fucking Sugar, I know
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Jerry Heller is the Malcolm McLaren of rap music.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right where he's just like, Oh,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the business guy, but behind this and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: fucking treatis dude. Uh. And also you mentioned the doc
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: If you want like a song that is as good
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: as the Ship on Straight out of Compton that you
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: probably haven't heard, the Grand Finaley with the d C
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: feed all of n w A. Yeah, Doctor Dre is
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: doing the interstitials. He's not rapping, but he's it's fucking
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: ice opening verse on that song, oh, is one of
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the best in rap fucking history. And then so the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: fucking the instrumental, it sounds like the climax of like
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a Jackie Brown black sploitation movie. It's so fucking exciting.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: It's great. It's just blood pumping. Just yeah, it's fun.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: That's a That entire album is fucking flawless.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that on vinyl. Oh no, I love
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that album.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: That that's a real that's a tragic story there. What
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: happened to that guy, the DC, if he was still rapping,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: he would change it into the POC get more work.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: He yeah, you know what happened with him?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: He got like in this crazy car accident after that
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: album came out, and it crushed his windpipe.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So his voice sounds like this now.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: And he can't he can't, he can't rap anymore. He
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: tried to put out an album, and I'm assuming he
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: still puts music out because he's a great writer. Yeah,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: well he's, yeah, he's he probably could have made a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: good living doing that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Well, he did.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: He for a long time was just one of Doctor
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Dre's songwriters.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: He probably still is to some extent.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that was a really sad story because
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: that guy had some fucking potential that first Yeah, that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that first album I think is one of Doctor Dre's
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: best production's overall. Yeah, Like just like there's certain like
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: there's kind of like these golden eras where you're just
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: like easy does It's true out of count and those
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Cubra and it's just like there's like a five year
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: chuck where it's just like, oh, everything's fucking so good. Yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Like the late eighties early nineties is the gold I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: mean they call it the Golden Age of rap. Well yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: well just like with that specific that specific kind and
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like motown music where it's like you
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: could Selo puts out fuck You and it's got this
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: fun motown VI but it's like it's not really it
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like that shit from back in the Supremes
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and the Temptations and Yeah, four Tops and you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: all Gladys Night, And it's just like there's a finite
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: amount of it, you know. And it's the same thing
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: with that kind of like upbeat, like like fucking straight
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: out of Compton rap music. It's just like, oh, it's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you fucking love it, and you can kind of get
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: little bits of it in other places, but it's like
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: there's only so much of it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about the last theory.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: There is a very extensive Vice article that puts forth
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the idea that Snoop Dogg's cousin killed Tupac. Snoop Dogg
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: has a cousin named Lil Half Dead who he shouts
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: out on his songs all the time, and who is
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: makes you didn't know that he's a rapper and he
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I think has put out albums before, but the industry
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: rumor is that he wrote Brenda's Got a Baby, which
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: is Tupac's first real big hit. Yeah, and the rumor
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is that he gave that demo to Tupac as if
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, we listened to my demo, and then
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a few months later Tupac just puts the song out
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: and there is a prison confession. Someone wrote a letter
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: confessing to being present when this murder happened and said
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that Little Half Dead is the one who shot Tupac
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and that he was paid by someone to do it,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: specifically sug Knight's ex wife. Because I don't know if
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: you've heard that theory. At one point Suge Knight came
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: out inside being honest.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a weird.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: One because the there's basically three or four main players
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: in this theory. There's Little Half Dead and then his
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: two accomplices Quarter Dead I have no fucking idea, and
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: then Suge Knight's ex wife and one of her business associates,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: who this prison letter basically claims that they put the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: hit out on Suge Knight and that Little Half Dead
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: agreed to do it because he was bitter over the
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: song being stolen and that Suge Knight was actually the
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: target and that Little Half Dead was just like, well,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: i'll shoot two pox. Yeah I was already there. Yeah,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I hate that guy. Yeah, he took got a Baby. Yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and one off Suge Knight's putting out the head. He's like, yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I'll just fucking you know, kill your golden goose and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: just you know, you can sell t shirts. Yeah, And
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: like I had never heard that. This is the one
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: theory I had never Yeah, and I just kind of
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: explained it because I was just reading this and I
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, wait, what is the Was he half dead?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: And he was just tiny interesting interesting fact to Ice
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Cube's cousin, Dell, the funky hom Sapien, Yeah, the Ready rapper.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I think he appears on little crumb snatches of the
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: last track on the first Dell album, Mister Doublee and
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: all that shit. Yeah, go fucking check that out. Yeah
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that was great. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. I mean there's
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the I just a tough time because you think Brena's
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Got a Baby is such the iconic Tupac song, and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: it feels very Tupac with the way that the you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: just the way the verses are constructed, with the way
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: the flow is you know. Yeah. So it's just it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: it's difficult to believe that that would have been someone else. Yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: but it you know, I mean, I guess will We'll
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: never know. But this this is actually one of the
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: theories that there's so many movies about this murder. Now, yeah,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: there's at least two or three. And this theory is
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: put out by Russell Poole, who is one of the
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: He's an LAPD detective who has done a bunch of research.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: He's appeared in a few of the movies, and he's
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: on board with this theory that it was Tupo or
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Suge Knight's ex wife basically set up this hit.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Tupac and Snoop had a pretty good relationship up until
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the end when he kind of was like fuck everybody. Yeah,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: because All Eyes on Me was right before Calluminati and
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: that's the one that had America's most wanted on.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: It, right. Yeah, he was there at the end, Tupac.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's he was almost asking for because you
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: just like everybody want to kill Tupac.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just kind of a butthole.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's almost surprising he lived as long as
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: he did.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, he was just you know, out the West
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Coast and then he just basically was like fuck all
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: your favorite West Coast rappers.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and he would like I kind of.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Got paranoid for good reason, for sure, but clearly clearly
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: that good reason to be paranoid. But yeah, it's there's
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: so many different theories. One of my favorite ones about
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: this is that have you ever heard the the this
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: comes up in here that his tupacs like associates smoked
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: his ashes.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: No, some Keith Richard shit like snorting his dead like.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: Put him in a blunt and smoked him. Wow, damn
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: that's gross. That is super gross. I would not do that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: So yeah, there's that theory too. There's so many like
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: if we went.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: We're actually going to be distributing Adam's ass. There's as
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: like a Patreon reward here. If you're in the fifty
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: dollars range, you get a little file of ATV.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: If we like, if we went in detail on every
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: one of these, this would be a four hour oh
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: forty Yeah, but there's a lot. Uh, I don't I
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: don't know if I even have a favorite theory. I
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: don't know either.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta feel like it's like the one
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: that just kind of like for me is just Shug
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Knight wanted to keep cashing those checks he had to
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: know there's friction. He had to note that this relationship
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: was not gonna last forever, just by virtue of all
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the shit that went down, that they were both you know,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: open with each other about not to mention the missing
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: money and all that shit, and who knows how much
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: of that had been discussed.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is there's another documentary that suggests that
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: that P Diddy and Notorious Big had him killed. Yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: they in that documentary. I think it's the Nick Broomfield
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: when he like that. There's this interview where someone like
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: goes in depth about the meeting they had and like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: all the specifics. So it's it's like, not only are
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: there several theories, but there's several theories where people have
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: gone on record and said this is what happened.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just them trying to fucking get a
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: book deal and pay for family, you know, with their story.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Pretty like, yeah, I hire a ghosts ready to make
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: up some facts and ship. Well, I fucking love that.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: This is another reason why I feel like he definitely
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: didn't do it, or maybe he's just the smoothest fucking
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: criminal of all time. There's a Biggie interview right before
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Life After Death came out and they asked him about
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Tupac because Biggie actually outlived.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Him, which is kind of weird when you think about it.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's just like when I heard he got shot,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, again, but he's just he was just like, yeah, man,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I respect for him. I would have liked to squash
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: to be is basically just like I wish we could
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: have just you know, been friends again or whatever.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who knows. This is one of those where
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: it's kind of anyone's guess to what actually happened.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: And like we said, it's a rap murder, so it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: never could have.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Even been the fucking official story it could have that
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: one's even fucking valid. Yeah, it could have been anything.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: We just you know, it's a shame it happened in
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: such a far off location where no witnesses were around.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I know what happened, and they drove him out into
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the fucking.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Of Greenland, fucking Vegas strip.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we solved the Aaron Hernandez murder and he killed
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: a dude in a fucking industrial park.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah we could.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: We could solve the No Country for Old Men murders.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Before we've you know, at a Texaco in a fucking
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: All right, so we should wrap it up. Yeah, but
• 58:20
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• 58:21
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• 58:22
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• 58:22
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• 58:30
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• 58:33
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• 59:28
  Speaker 2: of everyone else. Okay, who and Cuba wanted Vanessa Gritton dead?
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Oh there's a lot of them all right, let's get
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: the fuck out of here.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Connor say goodbye bye everybody. Goodbye everybody.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: We love you.