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Exposing Injustice & Suffering in Palestine & Around the World with Filmmakers Zaya & Maurizio Benazzo · Deep Transformation

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Dear,
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dear
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listener,
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hi,
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this
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is
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John
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Dupuy.
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I
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want
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to
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ask
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a
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favor
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of
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you.
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If
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you
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like
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the
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podcast
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Dee
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Transformation
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and
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you're
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getting
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a
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lot
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out
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of
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it,
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could
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you
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please
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help
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us
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by
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going
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to
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wherever
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you
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get
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your
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podcast,
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it's
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a
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Spotify
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or
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Apple
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or
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wherever
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it
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is,
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and
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write,
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write
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a
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review
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that
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would
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really
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help
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us
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to
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get
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this
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out.
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We
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really
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believe
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in
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what
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we're
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doing
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and
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we're
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really
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praying
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and
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hoping
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this
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is
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helping
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people
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and
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being
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part
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of
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the
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solution.
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So
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if
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you
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could
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do
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that,
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it
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would
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be
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greatly
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appreciated
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by
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Roger,
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myself
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and
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our
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team.
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God
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bless.
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Thank
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you.
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Welcome
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to
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part
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two
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of
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our
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conversation
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with
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Zaya
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and
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Maurizio
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Benazzo
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where
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we
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discuss
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their
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beautiful
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and
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heartbreaking
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film
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Where
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Olive
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Trees
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Weep.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation,
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Self,
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Society,
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Spirit,
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Life
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enhancing
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paradigm
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rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activists.
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With
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Dr.
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy.
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Let's
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see,
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we
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could
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go
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a
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number
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of
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ways
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here,
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but
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to
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bring
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some
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threads
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together
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and
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also
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move
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into
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a
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very
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powerful
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recent,
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more
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recent
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part
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of
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your
1:08
work.
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I've
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watched
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several
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of
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your
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films
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starting
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with
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Nisa
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Godada
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and
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out
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of
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all
1:15
the
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films
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you
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made,
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the
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one
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that
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really
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impacted
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me,
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touched
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me,
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pained
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me
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so
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deeply
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was
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Where
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Olive
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Trees
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Weep,
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your
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film
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about
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the
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tragic
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mistreatment
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of
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some
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of
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the
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Palestinians
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in
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the
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west
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bank
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of
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Israel
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and
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the
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kind
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of
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apartheid
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there.
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What
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brought
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you
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to
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film
1:39
this?
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How
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did
1:39
this
1:40
start?
1:40
You
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want
1:41
to
1:41
see
1:41
it?
1:44
Once
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we
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finished
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the
1:45
Wisdom
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of
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Trauma
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with
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Gabor
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told
1:48
us,
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what
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are
1:49
you
1:49
gonna
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do
1:49
next?
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Said,
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we
1:51
don't
1:51
know.
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And
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he
1:52
said,
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well,
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why
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don't
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you
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make
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a
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documentary
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about
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indigenous
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culture
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worldwide
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and
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intergenerational
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trauma
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and
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impact
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of
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colonization.
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So
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yes.
2:02
And
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then,
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and
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then
2:03
she
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said
2:03
in
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the
2:03
same
2:04
breath,
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almost,
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oh,
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and
2:05
by
2:05
the
2:05
way,
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in
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few
2:06
weeks
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I'm
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gonna
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go
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to
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the
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west
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bank
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to,
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to
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lead
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a
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workshop
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for
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the
2:11
healing
2:11
workshop,
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a
2:11
trauma
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healing
2:12
workshop
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with
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the
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young
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women,
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Palestinian
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women
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released
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from
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Israeli
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prison.
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And
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we
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said,
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okay,
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we
2:18
come.
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We
2:19
said,
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can
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we
2:20
come?
2:20
And
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he
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said,
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I
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don't
2:21
know
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because
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it's
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not
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my
2:23
space.
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You
2:24
know,
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you
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have
2:24
to
2:24
ask
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the
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women
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who
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are
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inviting
2:26
us.
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So
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we
2:28
reached
2:29
out
2:29
and
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they
2:29
were
2:30
like,
2:30
ah,
2:30
we
2:31
don't
2:31
know.
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We're
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not
2:33
sure
2:33
at
2:33
the
2:34
beginning.
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But
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eventually
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we
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built
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a
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friendship
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and
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connection
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and
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we
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were
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able
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to
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go
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and
2:41
film.
2:41
We
2:42
stepped
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into
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it.
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I
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mean
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we,
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we've
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known
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both
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of
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us
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the
2:46
history
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and
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to
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an
2:48
ex.
2:48
We
2:49
thought
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we
2:49
knew,
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we
2:49
thought
2:50
we.
2:50
Knew,
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we
2:51
thought
2:51
we
2:51
knew.
2:51
But
2:52
you
2:52
Arrive
2:52
there.
2:53
If
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you
2:53
arrive
2:53
there
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in
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24
2:55
hours,
2:55
that
2:55
really
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takes
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a
2:56
minute.
2:57
It's
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appalling.
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It's
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unbelievable.
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The
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amount
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of
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injustice,
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violence,
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disrespect
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of
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human
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rights.
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It's
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appalling.
3:07
Appalling.
3:07
And
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we
3:08
are
3:08
talking
3:08
about
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2021.
3:10
Before.
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We
3:11
thought,
3:11
this
3:12
is
3:12
insane.
3:13
How
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can
3:13
this
3:14
be
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in
3:15
a
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supposedly
3:16
democratic
3:18
society?
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How
3:19
can
3:20
that
3:20
be?
3:20
And
3:21
now,
3:21
obviously,
3:22
the
3:22
genocide.
3:22
There
3:23
is
3:23
no.
3:23
Now
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is
3:24
hundred
3:25
times
3:26
worse.
3:27
We
3:28
were
3:28
weeping
3:29
every
3:29
day,
3:30
crying
3:30
with
3:30
the
3:31
people
3:31
we're
3:31
meeting
3:32
and
3:32
listening
3:32
to
3:32
the
3:33
stories.
3:33
Like,
3:33
how
3:34
is
3:34
it
3:34
possible?
3:35
How
3:36
is
3:36
it
3:36
possible
3:36
we
3:37
are
3:37
allowing
3:37
this
3:38
to
3:38
be
3:38
happening
3:39
now?
3:40
And
3:40
we
3:40
thought,
3:40
it
3:41
cannot
3:41
get
3:41
worse?
3:42
And
3:42
it
3:43
did
3:43
get
3:43
worse.
3:45
Yeah.
3:45
We
3:45
stepped
3:46
into
3:46
a
3:47
field
3:47
that
3:47
we
3:48
knew
3:48
that
3:49
it's
3:50
huge,
3:50
but
3:50
we
3:51
didn't
3:51
know
3:51
how
3:51
big
3:51
it
3:52
is.
3:52
It
3:52
was,
3:52
again,
3:53
bigger
3:54
than
3:54
us.
3:54
And
3:55
we
3:56
were
3:56
not
3:56
even
3:56
sure
3:57
if
3:57
we
3:57
could
3:58
make
3:58
a
3:58
movie.
3:58
We
3:59
left
3:59
after
4:00
two
4:01
and
4:01
a
4:01
half
4:01
weeks.
4:02
We
4:02
filmed
4:03
pretty
4:03
much
4:03
day
4:04
and
4:04
night.
4:04
We
4:04
went
4:05
everywhere.
4:05
We
4:06
could
4:06
barely
4:06
slept.
4:08
We
4:08
wanted
4:08
to
4:09
share
4:09
as
4:09
many
4:09
stories
4:10
as
4:10
possible
4:10
and
4:11
capture
4:11
as
4:11
much
4:12
as
4:12
possible.
4:13
We
4:13
got
4:14
back
4:14
home
4:14
and
4:14
we
4:14
were
4:14
like,
4:15
we
4:15
don't
4:15
know
4:15
even
4:16
if
4:16
there
4:16
is
4:16
a
4:17
movie.
4:17
Like,
4:18
there
4:18
was
4:18
so
4:19
much
4:19
pain
4:19
that
4:20
we
4:20
carried
4:20
in
4:21
the
4:21
footage
4:21
that
4:21
was
4:22
like,
4:22
anybody
4:23
who
4:23
watches
4:23
this,
4:23
they
4:24
would
4:24
just
4:24
feel
4:24
overwhelmed
4:25
and
4:25
they
4:26
would
4:26
not
4:26
be
4:26
able
4:26
to
4:27
even
4:28
see
4:28
it.
4:30
And
4:31
we
4:31
couldn't
4:32
most
4:33
of
4:33
at
4:33
the
4:34
end,
4:34
the
4:34
move.
4:34
Okay.
4:35
The
4:35
movie
4:35
was
4:36
part
4:36
also
4:36
of
4:37
the
4:37
idea
4:37
of
4:38
going
4:38
around
4:38
the
4:38
world,
4:39
make
4:40
films
4:40
about
4:40
a
4:41
film
4:41
about
4:41
the
4:41
impact
4:41
of
4:42
colonization.
4:43
And
4:43
the
4:43
idea
4:44
was
4:44
in
4:44
our
4:45
mind,
4:45
oh,
4:45
yes,
4:46
we
4:46
go
4:46
now
4:47
after
4:47
Palestine,
4:48
we
4:48
gonna
4:48
go
4:49
to
4:49
Brazil,
4:49
to
4:50
New
4:50
Zealand,
4:50
to
4:51
Greenland,
4:51
to
4:52
Africa,
4:52
to
4:53
the
4:53
United
4:53
States.
4:54
We
4:54
go
4:54
all
4:55
over
4:55
the
4:55
world
4:55
and
4:56
we
4:56
show
4:56
these
4:56
movies
4:57
about
4:57
what
4:58
colonization
4:58
is
4:59
and
4:59
the
4:59
pattern.
5:00
And
5:00
then
5:01
at
5:01
the
5:01
end,
5:02
we're
5:02
gonna
5:02
show
5:03
the
5:03
movie
5:03
about
5:03
Palestine.
5:04
People
5:04
cannot
5:05
deny
5:06
that
5:06
this
5:06
is
5:06
a
5:07
settled
5:07
colonial
5:08
project
5:09
with
5:09
the
5:10
same
5:10
genocidal
5:11
intent
5:11
that
5:12
has
5:12
been
5:12
done
5:13
all
5:13
over
5:13
the
5:13
world
5:13
in
5:14
the
5:14
past
5:14
few
5:14
hundred
5:15
years
5:16
or
5:16
even
5:16
more.
5:17
We
5:17
saw.
5:18
But
5:18
then
5:18
October
5:19
7th
5:19
happened,
5:20
and
5:20
we
5:21
find
5:21
ourselves
5:21
with
5:22
this
5:22
material
5:22
in
5:23
hand.
5:23
They
5:23
said,
5:23
we
5:23
cannot
5:24
hold
5:24
with
5:25
this.
5:25
We
5:25
have
5:25
to
5:26
take
5:26
it
5:26
out.
5:26
This
5:26
is
5:26
a
5:27
document
5:27
that
5:27
we
5:28
cannot
5:28
to
5:28
share.
5:29
So
5:29
we
5:30
were
5:30
able
5:30
to
5:31
take
5:32
our
5:32
main
5:32
character,
5:33
Ashera.
5:34
Any
5:34
of
5:34
the
5:34
stories
5:34
we
5:35
captured
5:35
could
5:36
not
5:36
be
5:36
there
5:37
with
5:37
the
5:37
film
5:37
to
5:38
the
5:39
people,
5:39
because
5:40
we
5:40
knew
5:40
that
5:40
they
5:41
will
5:41
go
5:41
after
5:41
them.
5:42
If
5:42
the
5:42
movie
5:43
is
5:43
seen
5:43
and
5:44
becomes
5:45
popular,
5:45
they
5:46
will
5:46
suffer.
5:46
So
5:47
a
5:47
lot
5:47
of
5:47
the
5:47
stories
5:48
didn't
5:48
make
5:48
it
5:48
to
5:48
the
5:49
movie.
5:50
And
5:50
the
5:50
main
5:50
character,
5:51
we
5:51
waited
5:52
for
5:52
her
5:52
to
5:53
be
5:53
ready
5:53
to
5:53
leave
5:54
Palestine.
5:55
And
5:55
then
5:55
we
5:56
released
5:56
the
5:56
movie.
5:58
Her
5:58
and
5:58
her
5:58
family.
5:58
We
5:59
took
5:59
her
5:59
out,
5:59
her
6:00
and
6:00
her
6:00
family.
6:00
And
6:00
many
6:01
people
6:01
told
6:01
us,
6:02
like,
6:02
are
6:02
you
6:02
sure
6:03
you
6:03
want
6:03
to
6:03
release
6:04
this?
6:04
Like,
6:05
you
6:05
know
6:05
what's
6:05
going
6:05
to
6:06
happen
6:06
to
6:06
you?
6:06
You're
6:07
going
6:07
to
6:07
be.
6:08
Was
6:09
dismantled.
6:10
And
6:10
we
6:10
were,
6:10
we
6:11
were
6:11
like,
6:11
we
6:12
were
6:12
a
6:12
bit
6:12
naive,
6:13
but
6:13
people
6:14
warned
6:14
us
6:14
and
6:15
said,
6:15
you,
6:15
you,
6:16
you
6:16
will
6:16
see.
6:17
And
6:17
basically
6:18
we
6:18
were
6:18
getting
6:19
like
6:19
200
6:20
hate
6:20
mails,
6:21
like
6:21
per
6:21
day,
6:22
per
6:22
day.
6:23
And
6:23
we
6:23
answered
6:24
every
6:24
single
6:25
one
6:25
of
6:25
them.
6:26
We
6:26
have
6:26
a
6:26
team
6:27
that
6:27
answers
6:28
every
6:28
email.
6:29
The
6:29
more
6:29
hateful,
6:30
the
6:30
more
6:30
we
6:31
engage
6:31
with
6:31
that
6:32
and
6:33
we
6:33
understand
6:33
why
6:33
they're
6:34
hateful.
6:35
It's
6:35
clear.
6:36
It's
6:36
part
6:37
of
6:37
an
6:37
identity.
6:38
It's
6:38
part
6:38
of
6:38
an
6:39
indoctrination
6:40
that
6:40
so
6:40
many
6:41
people
6:41
carry.
6:42
It's
6:43
loyalty
6:43
to
6:44
ancestors.
6:45
It's
6:45
everything.
6:47
If
6:47
we
6:47
want
6:47
an
6:47
archetypal
6:49
wound,
6:51
this
6:51
is
6:51
it.
6:51
This
6:51
is
6:52
the
6:52
one.
6:52
We
6:52
can
6:53
all
6:53
learn
6:54
and
6:54
see
6:55
ourselves
6:55
in
6:56
that.
6:56
Yeah.
6:57
I
6:57
must
6:57
say,
6:57
preparing.
6:58
Watch
6:58
the
6:58
film
6:59
and
6:59
preparing
6:59
for
7:00
this.
7:00
It's
7:01
been
7:01
the
7:01
hardest
7:01
podcast
7:02
to
7:02
prepare
7:02
for
7:03
that
7:03
I've
7:04
ever
7:04
done.
7:05
It
7:05
was
7:06
deeply
7:06
painful
7:07
and
7:07
deeply
7:07
moving.
7:08
And
7:09
there
7:09
is
7:09
just.
7:11
There's
7:11
plenty
7:11
of
7:11
hatred
7:12
and
7:12
atrocities
7:13
on
7:13
both
7:13
sides.
7:14
And
7:15
I
7:17
searching,
7:18
you
7:18
know,
7:18
what
7:19
is
7:19
the
7:19
way
7:19
out
7:19
of
7:20
this?
7:20
How
7:20
did
7:21
you
7:21
know?
7:21
Northern
7:21
Ireland,
7:22
the
7:22
Protestants
7:23
and
7:23
the
7:23
Catholics
7:24
finally
7:24
just
7:24
say,
7:24
okay,
7:25
enough
7:25
of
7:25
this
7:26
and
7:26
stop
7:26
killing
7:26
each
7:26
other.
7:27
And,
7:27
and
7:28
what
7:28
I
7:28
came
7:28
to
7:29
is
7:29
that
7:30
when
7:30
you
7:30
have
7:31
religious
7:32
fundamentalism
7:33
of
7:33
any
7:34
type
7:34
and
7:34
the
7:35
main
7:35
people
7:35
that
7:35
are
7:36
invading
7:36
the
7:36
west
7:36
bank
7:37
are
7:38
fundamentalist
7:39
conservative
7:40
Jews
7:40
who
7:41
think
7:41
that
7:41
this
7:41
was
7:41
a
7:42
land
7:42
that
7:42
was
7:42
given
7:42
to
7:43
them
7:43
by
7:44
the
7:44
promise
7:45
Abraham,
7:45
it
7:45
was
7:45
a
7:46
promised
7:46
land
7:46
and
7:47
they
7:47
feel
7:47
it's
7:47
okay
7:48
and
7:48
they're
7:48
the
7:49
chosen
7:49
people
7:49
and
7:49
the
7:50
other
7:50
people
7:50
aren't,
7:50
so
7:50
they
7:51
can
7:51
get
7:51
rid
7:51
of
7:52
them.
7:52
And
7:52
the
7:52
other
7:52
hand,
7:53
the
7:53
people
7:53
in
7:54
Hamas
7:54
that
7:54
went
7:54
out
7:55
and
7:55
slaughtered
7:55
all
7:55
these
7:55
innocents,
7:56
they
7:56
felt
7:57
God
7:57
was
7:57
leading
7:57
them.
7:58
So
7:59
these
7:59
two
7:59
parts
7:59
aren't
8:00
going
8:00
to.
8:00
Be
8:01
more
8:01
complex
8:02
and
8:02
nuanced
8:03
than
8:03
that
8:03
which
8:04
I.
8:04
But
8:04
you
8:04
have
8:05
to,
8:05
you
8:05
have
8:05
to
8:05
include
8:05
that
8:06
that's
8:06
true.
8:06
Absolutely.
8:07
It's
8:07
not.
8:07
Not
8:08
true.
8:09
Yes.
8:09
And
8:10
we
8:10
do
8:10
see.
8:11
Yes.
8:11
His
8:11
religion,
8:12
religion
8:13
is
8:13
being
8:13
used
8:13
because,
8:14
you
8:14
know,
8:14
Orthodox
8:15
Jews,
8:15
they
8:15
don't
8:16
agree
8:16
with
8:16
us
8:17
that
8:17
there
8:17
should
8:18
be
8:18
a
8:18
state
8:18
of
8:18
Israel.
8:19
It
8:19
doesn't
8:19
fit
8:20
their
8:20
scriptures.
8:21
So
8:21
is
8:22
not
8:22
even.
8:24
It's
8:24
a
8:24
Christian
8:25
Zionist
8:26
who
8:26
wants
8:27
this
8:27
project
8:28
of
8:28
Zionism.
8:29
And
8:30
you
8:30
know,
8:30
then
8:30
it
8:31
became
8:31
a
8:31
Jewish
8:32
project
8:32
and
8:32
then
8:33
it
8:33
became.
8:33
And
8:34
it
8:34
was,
8:34
you
8:35
know,
8:35
connected
8:36
to
8:36
the
8:36
colonial
8:37
project
8:37
of
8:38
the
8:38
British
8:39
taking
8:39
over
8:39
Palestine.
8:40
You
8:40
know,
8:41
they
8:41
have
8:42
such
8:42
history.
8:42
Well,
8:43
it's
8:43
politics
8:44
but
8:44
also
8:45
it's
8:45
80
8:46
years
8:46
in
8:46
the
8:47
making.
8:47
We
8:47
have
8:47
to
8:48
see
8:48
that
8:48
the
8:48
genocide
8:49
we
8:49
are
8:49
witnessing
8:50
today
8:50
has
8:50
a
8:51
history
8:51
and
8:52
has
8:52
a
8:53
history
8:53
that
8:54
many
8:54
of
8:54
us
8:55
don't
8:55
know.
8:55
And
8:56
that's
8:56
part
8:56
of
8:56
the
8:57
indoctrination
8:58
and
8:58
part
8:59
of
8:59
the
8:59
work
8:59
of
9:00
the
9:00
Zionist
9:00
project
9:01
is
9:01
to
9:01
erase
9:02
every
9:02
other
9:03
narrative
9:03
that
9:04
doesn't
9:04
fit
9:04
the
9:05
narrative
9:05
of
9:06
Israel
9:07
being
9:07
entitled
9:08
to
9:08
the
9:08
Palestinian
9:09
land.
9:10
And
9:11
one
9:12
question
9:12
we
9:12
ask
9:12
everyone,
9:13
when
9:13
we
9:13
went
9:14
there,
9:14
we
9:14
were
9:14
naive
9:15
and
9:15
we're
9:15
like,
9:15
what
9:16
about
9:16
peace?
9:17
We
9:17
went
9:17
to
9:17
every,
9:19
in
9:19
every
9:19
interview,
9:19
he
9:20
said,
9:20
how
9:20
about
9:20
peace?
9:21
And
9:22
I
9:22
said,
9:22
yes,
9:23
we
9:23
want
9:23
peace.
9:25
How
9:25
of
9:25
our
9:25
kids
9:26
are
9:26
called
9:26
peace?
9:26
Salam.
9:28
This
9:28
is
9:28
what
9:29
we
9:29
dream
9:30
of.
9:31
But
9:31
we
9:31
cannot
9:31
have
9:32
peace
9:32
without
9:32
justice.
9:33
We
9:34
cannot
9:34
have
9:34
an
9:34
apartheid
9:35
and
9:35
say
9:36
we
9:36
are
9:36
for
9:36
peace.
9:37
We
9:37
cannot
9:37
have
9:38
one
9:39
set
9:39
of
9:39
law
9:40
for
9:40
Jewish
9:40
people
9:41
and
9:41
another
9:41
set
9:42
of
9:42
law
9:42
which
9:42
is
9:43
military
9:43
law
9:43
for
9:44
Palestinians.
9:45
We
9:45
can't
9:46
pay
9:46
10
9:46
times
9:47
more
9:47
for
9:48
water
9:48
than
9:48
the
9:49
Jewish
9:49
people
9:50
on
9:50
the
9:50
land.
9:50
The
9:51
same
9:51
land,
9:51
the
9:51
same
9:52
water,
9:52
we
9:52
pay
9:52
10
9:53
times.
9:54
So
9:54
every
9:54
aspect
9:55
of
9:55
their
9:55
life
9:56
is
9:57
controlled
9:57
and
9:58
it's
9:59
injustice.
9:59
Their
10:00
children
10:00
can
10:00
go
10:01
to
10:01
school
10:01
and
10:01
be
10:01
shot
10:02
in
10:02
the
10:02
knees
10:03
on
10:03
the
10:03
way
10:03
to
10:03
school.
10:04
And
10:04
they
10:05
don't
10:05
know
10:05
if
10:05
their
10:05
child
10:06
will
10:06
be
10:06
back
10:06
home
10:07
alone.
10:08
There
10:08
is
10:08
generations
10:09
living
10:09
in
10:10
the
10:10
same
10:10
building
10:10
because
10:11
Israel
10:11
doesn't
10:12
allow
10:12
Palestinian
10:13
people
10:13
to
10:13
expand
10:14
their
10:14
homes.
10:15
It's
10:15
like
10:15
everywhere
10:16
you
10:16
look
10:17
at
10:17
it,
10:17
there
10:18
is
10:18
injustice.
10:19
We
10:20
can't
10:20
talk
10:20
about
10:20
peace
10:21
without
10:22
addressing.
10:23
The
10:24
underlying
10:24
yes,
10:25
John,
10:25
I
10:25
can
10:26
assure
10:26
you
10:27
that
10:27
if
10:27
you
10:28
were
10:28
there,
10:28
if
10:29
you
10:29
were
10:29
in
10:29
the
10:29
west,
10:30
the
10:30
little
10:30
I
10:30
know
10:30
about
10:31
you,
10:31
if
10:32
you
10:32
were
10:32
a
10:32
Palestinian
10:33
living
10:33
in
10:33
the
10:33
west
10:34
bank,
10:35
you
10:36
will
10:36
not
10:36
be
10:37
silent.
10:38
You
10:38
will
10:39
not
10:39
be
10:39
silent
10:39
if
10:40
you're
10:40
somebody,
10:41
if
10:41
your
10:42
grandparents
10:42
house
10:43
was
10:44
taken
10:45
70
10:45
years
10:46
ago,
10:46
your
10:47
grand
10:47
grandparents
10:48
were
10:48
probably
10:48
killed
10:48
a
10:48
lot
10:49
of
10:49
us
10:50
and
10:50
you,
10:50
you
10:50
were
10:50
then
10:51
sent
10:51
to
10:51
Gaza
10:52
or
10:52
the
10:52
West
10:52
bank.
10:53
Then
10:53
in
10:53
those
10:54
70
10:54
years,
10:55
you
10:55
have
10:55
no
10:56
document,
10:56
you
10:57
have
10:57
no,
10:57
no
10:57
jobs,
10:58
no
10:58
schools.
10:59
You
10:59
go
10:59
to
10:59
school,
11:00
you
11:00
are
11:00
shot
11:00
in
11:00
the
11:01
knees,
11:02
you,
11:02
you
11:03
have
11:03
no
11:03
document,
11:04
you
11:04
cannot
11:04
get
11:05
a,
11:05
you
11:05
cannot
11:05
go
11:06
to,
11:06
you
11:06
cannot
11:07
travel
11:07
anywhere.
11:07
You
11:07
have
11:07
not
11:08
you,
11:08
you
11:08
have
11:08
no
11:08
nation,
11:09
you
11:09
are
11:10
under
11:10
military
11:11
law.
11:12
70%
11:13
of
11:13
the
11:13
west
11:13
bank
11:13
is
11:14
called
11:14
Area
11:14
C.
11:15
There
11:15
is
11:16
no
11:16
law,
11:17
it's
11:17
only
11:18
military
11:18
law,
11:19
which
11:19
means
11:19
you
11:19
can
11:20
be
11:20
taken
11:20
and
11:21
put
11:21
it
11:21
in
11:21
jail
11:21
for
11:22
up
11:22
to
11:22
three
11:22
years,
11:23
renewable.
11:24
You
11:25
will
11:25
never
11:25
see
11:25
a
11:26
lawyer
11:26
without
11:26
sentence
11:27
there
11:27
for
11:28
three
11:28
years.
11:29
If
11:29
you
11:29
live
11:30
in,
11:30
they
11:30
can
11:30
come
11:30
and
11:31
demolish
11:31
your
11:31
house
11:32
because
11:32
it's
11:33
military
11:33
law.
11:34
And
11:34
this
11:34
is
11:34
a
11:35
war
11:35
territory.
11:36
70%
11:36
of
11:37
the
11:37
west,
11:37
which
11:37
by
11:38
the
11:38
way
11:38
includes
11:39
all
11:40
the
11:40
farming,
11:40
all
11:41
the
11:41
water,
11:42
all
11:42
the
11:42
places
11:43
that
11:43
have
11:43
any
11:43
value,
11:44
there
11:45
are
11:45
70%
11:46
in
11:46
this
11:46
area.
11:47
They
11:47
can
11:47
demolish
11:47
your
11:48
house,
11:48
demolish
11:49
your
11:49
village,
11:50
and
11:50
then
11:50
by
11:51
miracle,
11:52
24
11:53
hours
11:53
later,
11:54
there
11:54
is
11:54
a
11:54
settlement
11:55
that
11:55
appear
11:57
in
11:57
your
11:57
land.
11:58
Now,
11:59
now,
11:59
two
11:59
years
12:00
ago,
12:00
in
12:00
the
12:00
last
12:00
70
12:01
years,
12:01
a
12:01
settlement
12:02
landed
12:03
in
12:03
24
12:03
hours.
12:04
They
12:04
have
12:04
water
12:04
and
12:05
electricity.
12:06
You
12:06
pay
12:07
for
12:07
water,
12:07
as
12:07
I
12:08
said,
12:08
up
12:08
to
12:08
10
12:09
times
12:09
for
12:10
water.
12:10
As
12:10
a
12:11
farmer
12:11
in
12:11
the
12:11
west
12:11
bank,
12:12
if
12:12
you
12:13
don't
12:13
farm
12:14
the
12:14
land,
12:15
then
12:15
they
12:15
say,
12:16
oh,
12:16
you
12:16
don't
12:16
farm
12:17
the
12:17
land,
12:17
then
12:18
after
12:18
three
12:18
years
12:19
they
12:19
can
12:19
take
12:19
it.
12:20
So
12:20
you
12:20
lose
12:21
the
12:21
land
12:21
and
12:22
all
12:22
of
12:22
a
12:22
sudden
12:23
because
12:23
they
12:23
don't
12:23
give
12:23
you
12:23
the
12:23
water,
12:24
you
12:24
pay
12:24
more.
12:25
It's
12:25
completely
12:26
absurd.
12:27
Is
12:28
the
12:28
most
12:28
apart.
12:29
I
12:29
don't
12:29
know
12:30
about
12:30
South
12:30
Africa.
12:32
What
12:32
I
12:32
know
12:32
a
12:32
little
12:33
bit,
12:33
but
12:33
I
12:33
think
12:34
this
12:34
is
12:34
even
12:34
more
12:35
extreme
12:35
than
12:35
South
12:36
Africa.
12:36
I
12:37
mean,
12:37
I
12:37
hear
12:37
your
12:37
passion
12:38
and
12:38
the
12:39
movie
12:39
was
12:39
very
12:39
powerful.
12:40
But
12:40
I'm
12:41
looking.
12:41
It's
12:41
like,
12:41
what
12:42
is
12:42
the
12:42
way
12:42
out?
12:42
I
12:43
don't
12:43
think
12:43
a
12:44
violence
12:44
just
12:45
works.
12:45
Justice,
12:46
justice.
12:47
I
12:48
don't
12:48
think
12:48
it
12:48
can
12:48
be
12:48
achieved
12:49
by
12:49
violence.
12:49
That
12:50
just
12:50
causes
12:50
more
12:50
suffering
12:51
and
12:51
more
12:51
killing.
12:52
But
12:52
John,
12:53
if
12:53
you
12:54
were
12:54
in
12:54
that
12:54
situation,
12:55
how
12:56
can
12:56
you
12:56
not
12:56
just
12:57
accept
12:57
the
12:58
fact
12:58
that
12:58
some
12:59
here
12:59
in
12:59
the
12:59
US
12:59
people
13:00
get
13:00
a
13:00
gun
13:01
and
13:01
shoot
13:01
everybody?
13:02
Can
13:02
you
13:02
imagine
13:03
if
13:03
you
13:03
had
13:03
that
13:03
kind
13:04
of,
13:04
of
13:05
injustice
13:05
on
13:06
you?
13:06
It's
13:06
reasonable
13:07
to
13:07
expect
13:07
that
13:08
some.
13:08
Not
13:09
that
13:09
I'm
13:09
justified
13:09
in
13:10
any
13:10
way,
13:10
shape
13:10
or
13:10
form,
13:11
but
13:11
you
13:11
can
13:11
expect
13:12
that
13:12
somebody
13:13
can
13:13
get
13:13
so
13:13
frustrated
13:14
that
13:14
the
13:14
only
13:14
thing
13:14
they
13:15
can
13:15
do
13:15
is
13:15
do
13:16
some
13:16
violence
13:17
is
13:17
trauma.
13:18
We
13:18
agree.
13:18
It's
13:18
happening
13:19
here.
13:19
We
13:19
all
13:20
need
13:20
to
13:20
really
13:21
stand
13:21
for
13:21
justice
13:22
and
13:22
see
13:23
what's
13:23
happen.
13:23
I
13:23
know,
13:24
but,
13:24
but
13:24
justice,
13:24
how
13:25
do
13:25
we
13:25
do
13:25
it?
13:25
How
13:25
do
13:25
we
13:25
get
13:26
there?
13:26
Do
13:26
we
13:27
say
13:27
it's
13:27
so
13:27
horrible
13:27
and
13:28
you're
13:28
justified
13:28
in
13:28
being
13:29
violent?
13:29
I
13:29
mean,
13:30
that
13:30
causes
13:31
more
13:31
suffering
13:32
and
13:32
more
13:33
injustice.
13:34
Let's
13:34
look
13:34
at
13:35
what's
13:35
happening
13:35
in
13:35
Gaza
13:36
right
13:36
now,
13:36
in
13:37
this
13:37
very
13:37
moment.
13:38
Right?
13:38
What's
13:38
happening?
13:39
Genocide
13:40
and
13:40
starvation.
13:41
Well,
13:41
if
13:42
we
13:42
want
13:42
to
13:42
do
13:42
something,
13:43
we
13:44
have
13:44
to
13:44
stop
13:44
the
13:45
starvation.
13:46
And
13:46
the
13:46
peace
13:47
agreement
13:47
that
13:48
few
13:48
days
13:48
ago,
13:49
that's
13:49
really
13:50
offensive
13:52
because
13:52
it
13:52
ensured
13:53
the
13:53
hostages
13:53
being
13:54
returned
13:54
and
13:55
zero
13:55
rights
13:56
to
13:56
the
13:56
Palestinian.
13:57
Palestinians
13:58
are
13:58
continuing
13:59
to
13:59
be
13:59
killed
13:59
every
14:00
day
14:00
and
14:01
they
14:01
start
14:01
stopping
14:02
the
14:02
trucks,
14:02
the
14:03
food
14:03
aid
14:03
again.
14:04
So
14:04
if
14:04
we
14:05
want
14:05
to
14:05
do
14:05
something,
14:06
we
14:06
want
14:07
to
14:07
stand
14:08
for
14:09
food,
14:10
for
14:11
human
14:11
rights,
14:12
for
14:12
equality,
14:13
start
14:14
there,
14:14
like,
14:14
recognize
14:15
Palestinians
14:17
as
14:18
worthy
14:18
of
14:19
dignity.
14:19
Like
14:19
every
14:20
human
14:20
being
14:20
on
14:21
this
14:21
planet
14:22
at
14:22
this
14:22
moment,
14:23
they
14:23
don't
14:24
have
14:24
the
14:24
dignity
14:25
that
14:25
we
14:25
all
14:26
deserve.
14:27
So
14:28
I
14:28
would
14:28
say
14:28
we
14:28
start
14:29
there,
14:29
like,
14:30
fight
14:30
for
14:31
their
14:31
freedom
14:33
and
14:33
I.
14:34
Need
14:35
to
14:35
throw
14:35
this
14:35
in.
14:36
Netanyahu
14:37
is
14:37
about
14:37
is
14:38
getting
14:38
ready
14:38
to
14:38
be
14:38
thrown
14:39
out
14:39
of
14:39
power.
14:39
Israel
14:40
was
14:40
rising
14:40
up.
14:41
Good
14:41
luck.
14:42
Yeah.
14:42
Hundreds
14:43
of
14:43
thousands
14:43
of
14:43
people
14:43
hitting
14:44
the
14:44
street
14:44
every
14:44
week.
14:44
National
14:45
Guard
14:45
pilots
14:46
were
14:46
saying,
14:46
we're
14:46
not
14:46
going
14:46
to
14:47
fly
14:47
anymore.
14:47
He
14:48
had
14:48
all
14:48
these
14:48
corruption
14:48
charges
14:49
and
14:49
all
14:49
this.
14:50
And
14:50
then
14:50
the
14:50
Hamas
14:51
attack
14:51
happened,
14:52
and
14:53
Egyptian
14:53
intelligence
14:54
knew
14:54
it
14:54
was
14:54
going
14:55
to
14:55
happen.
14:55
Israeli
14:56
intelligence
14:56
knew
14:57
it
14:57
was
14:57
going
14:57
to
14:57
happen.
14:57
The
14:57
CIA
14:58
knew
14:58
was
14:58
going
14:58
to
14:58
happen,
14:58
and
14:59
he'd
14:59
get
14:59
nothing.
15:00
In
15:00
fact,
15:00
he
15:00
stood
15:00
down
15:01
troops
15:01
because
15:01
he
15:02
wanted
15:02
him
15:02
to
15:02
do
15:02
that.
15:03
Exactly.
15:04
That
15:04
saved
15:04
his
15:05
political
15:05
ass.
15:06
And
15:06
war
15:06
is
15:07
what
15:07
saved
15:07
him.
15:07
And
15:09
that
15:09
was
15:09
one
15:09
of
15:10
the
15:10
results
15:10
of
15:10
October
15:11
7th.
15:11
You
15:12
empowered
15:13
Netanyahu,
15:14
you
15:14
know,
15:15
and
15:15
it's
15:15
just.
15:15
It's
15:16
been
15:16
a
15:16
war
15:16
crime.
15:16
It's
15:17
in
15:17
our
15:17
movie.
15:18
We
15:18
say
15:18
that.
15:18
I
15:19
want
15:19
to
15:19
say
15:19
something.
15:19
It's
15:20
easy
15:20
to
15:20
say
15:20
it's
15:20
Netanyahu,
15:21
but
15:22
the
15:22
recent
15:22
pools
15:23
in
15:24
Israel,
15:25
62%
15:26
of
15:26
the
15:26
people
15:27
say
15:28
that
15:28
the
15:28
genocide
15:29
in
15:29
Gaza
15:30
should
15:30
continue
15:31
and
15:31
don't
15:31
use
15:32
enough
15:32
force.
15:33
They
15:33
haven't
15:33
used
15:33
enough
15:33
force.
15:34
Even
15:34
if
15:34
Netanyahu
15:35
goes
15:36
away,
15:36
nothing
15:37
is
15:37
going
15:37
to
15:37
change
15:38
because
15:38
the
15:39
apartheid
15:39
is
15:39
going
15:40
to
15:40
stay.
15:40
The
15:40
settlement
15:41
will
15:41
continue
15:42
to
15:42
grow.
15:43
The
15:43
Palestinians
15:44
will
15:44
still
15:44
be
15:44
oppressed
15:45
and
15:46
occupied.
15:46
Netanyahu
15:47
is
15:48
not
15:48
the
15:48
problem.
15:48
He's
15:49
just
15:49
like.
15:49
Like
15:50
Trump
15:50
is
15:50
not
15:51
the
15:51
problem.
15:51
Exactly.
15:52
I
15:52
mean,
15:52
he's
15:52
not
15:52
Trump.
15:53
People
15:54
around
15:54
there
15:54
was
15:55
Hitler
15:55
wasn't
15:55
the
15:55
problem.
15:56
Yeah,
15:56
yeah.
15:57
Those
15:57
are
15:57
puppets
15:57
in
15:58
a
15:58
way.
15:58
Those
15:58
are,
15:59
those
15:59
are.
15:59
You
15:59
know,
15:59
they're.
16:00
They're
16:00
the
16:00
puppets.
16:01
The
16:01
front
16:01
hand
16:02
of,
16:02
of
16:03
a
16:03
system
16:03
is
16:04
rotten
16:05
at
16:06
the
16:06
core.
16:07
Well,
16:07
I
16:08
just
16:08
think
16:08
October
16:08
7th
16:09
was.
16:09
Which
16:10
is
16:10
a
16:10
terrorist
16:10
attack
16:11
justified
16:11
or
16:12
not?
16:12
I
16:12
don't
16:12
think
16:13
that
16:13
behavior,
16:13
rape,
16:14
slaughter
16:14
and
16:14
all
16:14
that's
16:15
justified
16:15
in
16:15
any
16:16
sense.
16:16
But
16:17
that
16:17
made
16:17
it
16:17
very
16:17
much
16:18
worse
16:18
for
16:19
Gaza.
16:19
And
16:20
60,000
16:21
people
16:21
have
16:21
died
16:22
so
16:22
far.
16:23
Yes.
16:24
What
16:24
happened
16:24
when.
16:25
When
16:25
911
16:25
happened
16:26
in
16:26
the
16:26
United
16:26
States
16:27
directly
16:28
from
16:28
that,
16:28
in
16:28
our
16:28
invasion
16:29
of
16:29
Afghanistan,
16:30
almost
16:31
a
16:31
million
16:32
Muslims
16:32
were
16:32
killed
16:33
as
16:34
a
16:34
direct
16:34
result
16:35
of
16:35
attacking
16:35
the
16:36
towers
16:36
and
16:36
the
16:36
Pentagon.
16:37
That
16:38
doesn't
16:38
solve
16:38
things.
16:38
That
16:39
just
16:39
kills
16:39
the
16:40
people
16:40
you're
16:40
trying
16:40
to.
16:41
And
16:41
it's
16:42
not
16:42
the
16:42
Afghani
16:42
or
16:43
the
16:43
Iraqi
16:43
who
16:44
bombed
16:45
this.
16:46
The
16:46
9
16:46
11,
16:47
by
16:47
the
16:47
way,
16:47
as
16:48
you
16:48
well
16:48
know.
16:48
I
16:49
mean,
16:49
it
16:49
was
16:49
the
16:49
excuse.
16:50
Let's
16:50
do
16:50
a
16:50
war
16:50
with
16:51
somebody.
16:51
Oh,
16:51
they
16:52
killed.
16:52
Those
16:53
are
16:53
all
16:53
pretext.
16:54
We
16:55
all
16:56
agree
16:56
that
16:56
October
16:57
7th
16:58
was
16:59
violent
16:59
violence
17:00
and
17:00
terrible.
17:01
It's
17:01
horrible,
17:01
unacceptable.
17:02
And
17:03
before
17:03
October
17:04
7th
17:05
is
17:05
October
17:06
6th,
17:06
October
17:06
5th.
17:07
How
17:07
many
17:08
people
17:08
were
17:08
killed
17:09
in
17:09
Gaza?
17:09
You
17:10
know,
17:10
how
17:10
many
17:10
times
17:11
there
17:11
were
17:11
peace
17:12
agreements
17:12
Israel
17:13
violated
17:13
and
17:13
went
17:14
back
17:14
and
17:14
killed
17:14
Thousands
17:15
of
17:15
people.
17:16
The
17:16
march.
17:17
The
17:17
March
17:17
of
17:18
Return.
17:18
The
17:18
March
17:19
of
17:19
Return.
17:19
Peaceful
17:20
protest
17:21
that
17:21
Palestinians
17:22
marched
17:22
to
17:22
the
17:23
border
17:23
and
17:23
said,
17:23
we
17:23
want
17:23
to
17:24
go
17:24
home
17:24
to
17:25
our
17:25
homes
17:25
or
17:25
on
17:25
the.
17:26
Other
17:26
side
17:26
of
17:26
that
17:26
fence,
17:27
completely
17:27
peaceful.
17:28
180
17:29
people.
17:30
What
17:30
happened?
17:31
200
17:31
people
17:32
were
17:32
killed.
17:32
Nothing
17:33
changed
17:33
by
17:33
snipers.
17:34
Prisons
17:35
of
17:35
Israel
17:36
are
17:36
full
17:36
of
17:37
children,
17:37
they're
17:37
full
17:38
of
17:38
prisoners
17:39
that
17:39
are
17:39
raped,
17:40
they
17:40
are
17:40
abused
17:41
daily.
17:42
That's
17:42
before
17:43
October
17:43
7th.
17:45
So
17:45
it's
17:45
important
17:46
to
17:46
keep
17:46
seeing
17:47
the
17:47
big
17:48
picture.
17:48
Yes,
17:49
the
17:49
violence.
17:50
Nothing
17:50
justifies
17:51
violence.
17:52
Yes,
17:52
but
17:52
violence
17:53
brings
17:53
violence,
17:55
which
17:55
brings
17:56
more
17:56
violence.
17:57
Yeah.
17:57
What
17:57
I'm
17:57
looking
17:58
for
17:58
is
17:58
a,
17:58
is
17:59
a
17:59
way
17:59
out
17:59
and
18:00
completely
18:00
agreeing
18:01
with
18:01
everything
18:01
you're
18:01
saying.
18:02
But
18:02
it's
18:03
not
18:03
just
18:03
enough
18:03
to
18:03
say
18:03
we
18:03
need
18:04
justice.
18:04
I
18:04
mean,
18:04
how
18:04
are
18:04
you
18:05
going
18:05
to
18:05
do
18:05
it?
18:05
You
18:06
know,
18:06
how
18:06
are
18:06
we
18:06
going
18:06
to.
18:06
Change
18:07
and
18:07
right
18:07
now
18:09
recognize
18:10
Palestine
18:11
and
18:11
Palestinians
18:13
human
18:13
rights
18:14
as
18:15
humans?
18:15
Equal
18:16
rights
18:16
for
18:17
Palestinians
18:18
and
18:18
for
18:19
Israeli.
18:20
It's
18:20
not
18:20
even
18:21
a
18:21
two
18:21
state
18:21
anymore.
18:23
That
18:24
was
18:24
all
18:24
destroyed.
18:24
That
18:24
was
18:25
all
18:25
destroyed.
18:26
Yeah.
18:26
It's
18:26
one
18:26
state
18:27
democracy.
18:28
Everybody
18:29
can
18:29
vote.
18:30
Right,
18:30
let's
18:31
vote.
18:32
But.
18:33
But
18:33
things
18:33
are
18:34
turning
18:34
against
18:35
Israel
18:35
in
18:35
popular
18:36
opinion
18:36
because
18:37
of
18:38
Netanyahu's
18:39
whatever.
18:40
The
18:40
attack
18:41
on
18:41
Gaza,
18:41
you
18:41
know,
18:42
people
18:42
that
18:42
were
18:42
always
18:42
very
18:43
pro
18:43
Israel
18:44
are
18:44
starting
18:44
to
18:44
go,
18:44
wait,
18:45
this
18:45
is
18:45
not
18:45
right.
18:46
So
18:46
that
18:47
is
18:47
happening.
18:48
So
18:48
what
18:48
is.
18:48
How
18:49
do
18:49
we
18:49
come
18:49
from
18:49
a
18:50
level
18:50
that
18:50
is
18:50
beyond
18:51
the
18:51
religious
18:51
hatred
18:52
on
18:52
both
18:52
sides
18:53
and
18:53
despair
18:54
and
18:55
the,
18:55
the
18:55
trauma
18:56
of
18:56
the
18:56
Holocaust
18:57
and
18:57
bring
18:58
it
18:58
all
18:58
together
18:58
and
18:59
being
18:59
attacked
19:00
from
19:00
all
19:00
sides
19:01
in
19:01
Israel,
19:02
and
19:02
then
19:02
they
19:03
became
19:03
very
19:03
strong
19:03
and
19:04
very
19:04
powerful
19:04
and
19:05
people
19:05
attacked
19:05
them.
19:05
They
19:06
hit
19:07
back
19:07
10
19:08
times,
19:08
100
19:08
times,
19:08
whatever.
19:09
How
19:09
do
19:10
we
19:10
move
19:10
from
19:10
that
19:11
to
19:12
a
19:12
place
19:13
of
19:13
reconciliation
19:14
and
19:15
peace?
19:16
And
19:17
if,
19:17
if
19:17
it's
19:18
just,
19:19
you
19:19
know,
19:19
it
19:19
seems
19:20
very
19:20
difficult,
19:20
but
19:20
I
19:21
know
19:21
that
19:21
it
19:21
has
19:21
to
19:22
be
19:22
done
19:22
from
19:22
a
19:23
level
19:23
that's
19:23
higher
19:24
than
19:24
from
19:24
the
19:25
level
19:25
it
19:25
was
19:25
done
19:26
at.
19:26
I
19:27
think
19:27
it's
19:27
already
19:27
happening
19:29
because
19:29
the
19:30
world
19:30
sees
19:30
it.
19:31
We
19:32
see
19:32
what's
19:33
happening
19:33
even
19:33
here.
19:34
So
19:34
many
19:34
Jewish
19:35
people
19:35
have
19:36
organized
19:36
and
19:37
they're
19:37
standing
19:38
in
19:39
solidarity
19:39
with
19:40
Palestine.
19:41
The
19:42
world
19:42
is
19:42
waking
19:42
up.
19:43
There
19:43
is
19:43
no
19:43
going
19:44
back.
19:44
We're
19:45
seeing
19:45
the
19:46
reality.
19:47
And
19:47
we
19:47
have
19:47
to
19:48
also
19:48
remember
19:48
Palestinians
19:49
when
19:50
we
19:50
asked
19:50
them,
19:50
like,
19:50
how
19:51
do
19:51
you
19:51
leave?
19:51
How
19:52
do
19:52
you,
19:52
you
19:53
know,
19:53
you're
19:53
not
19:53
going
19:53
to
19:53
see
19:54
probably
19:54
justice
19:54
in
19:55
your
19:55
lifetime.
19:55
And
19:55
said,
19:56
yes,
19:56
it's
19:57
not
19:57
going
19:57
to
19:57
be
19:57
in
19:57
my
19:57
lifetime,
19:58
but
19:59
this
19:59
is
19:59
not
19:59
something
20:00
that
20:00
started
20:00
in
20:01
my
20:01
lifetime
20:01
and
20:01
it's
20:02
not
20:02
going
20:02
to
20:02
end
20:02
in
20:02
my
20:02
lifetime.
20:04
And
20:04
that's
20:04
what
20:04
we've
20:05
learned
20:05
in
20:05
every
20:06
indigenous
20:06
community
20:08
we
20:08
visited
20:08
is
20:09
like,
20:09
that
20:09
is
20:10
intergenerational,
20:11
that
20:11
it's
20:11
seen
20:12
as
20:13
something
20:13
that
20:14
is
20:15
not
20:15
mine
20:15
to
20:16
sow.
20:16
Again,
20:17
this
20:17
is
20:17
our
20:17
little
20:18
bit
20:18
modernity
20:19
mindset.
20:19
How
20:20
do
20:20
we
20:20
fix
20:20
it?
20:20
Can
20:21
we
20:21
fix
20:21
it
20:21
tomorrow,
20:22
get
20:22
over
20:22
it
20:22
and
20:22
move
20:23
on?
20:24
No,
20:24
this
20:24
has
20:25
been
20:25
in
20:25
the
20:25
making
20:26
for,
20:26
you
20:27
know,
20:27
hundred
20:27
years.
20:29
More.
20:29
Yeah.
20:31
A
20:31
couple
20:31
thousand.
20:32
Yeah.
20:32
Then
20:33
doing
20:33
is
20:33
not
20:34
going
20:34
to
20:34
happen
20:34
probably
20:35
in
20:35
our
20:36
lifetime.
20:37
And
20:37
still
20:38
the
20:38
question
20:38
is
20:39
with
20:39
us,
20:39
which
20:39
is
20:40
John's
20:40
question.
20:41
You
20:41
know,
20:41
the
20:42
question,
20:42
what
20:42
can
20:42
we
20:43
do?
20:43
Is
20:44
really
20:44
the
20:45
colon
20:45
of
20:45
our
20:46
time.
20:46
And
20:47
each
20:47
of
20:48
us,
20:48
as
20:48
you
20:48
said,
20:49
has
20:49
our
20:49
own.
20:50
Each
20:50
of
20:51
us
20:51
has
20:51
our
20:51
own
20:51
path,
20:52
and
20:52
each
20:52
of
20:52
us
20:52
has
20:52
to
20:53
find
20:53
our
20:53
own
20:53
answer
20:54
to
20:54
that.
20:54
But.
20:54
Exactly.
20:55
Just
20:56
acknowledge
20:56
what
20:57
a
20:57
beautiful
20:57
contribution
20:58
you
20:58
found
20:59
to
20:59
make
20:59
just
20:59
by,
21:00
as
21:00
you
21:00
said,
21:01
I
21:01
mean,
21:01
this
21:01
is
21:02
a
21:02
very
21:02
hard
21:02
film
21:03
to
21:03
watch.
21:03
Where
21:04
Olive
21:04
Trees
21:04
Weep.
21:05
And
21:05
I
21:05
highly
21:05
recommend
21:06
that
21:07
everyone
21:07
listening
21:08
watch
21:08
it.
21:08
It's
21:09
really
21:09
powerful.
21:10
And
21:10
this
21:11
was
21:11
before
21:12
the
21:12
October
21:13
7
21:15
horrific,
21:16
which
21:17
catalyzed
21:18
a
21:18
whole
21:18
things
21:18
to
21:18
a
21:18
whole
21:19
new
21:19
level.
21:19
So
21:20
the
21:20
level
21:20
of
21:21
injustice
21:21
there
21:22
that
21:22
you
21:22
displayed
21:23
in
21:23
the
21:23
film
21:23
that
21:23
was
21:24
on
21:24
was
21:25
horrendous.
21:26
And
21:26
I
21:27
also
21:27
want
21:27
to
21:27
emphasize
21:28
that
21:28
one
21:28
of
21:28
the
21:28
beautiful
21:29
things
21:29
about
21:29
the
21:30
film
21:30
is
21:30
that
21:31
there
21:32
you
21:32
have
21:32
some
21:33
Jewish
21:33
people
21:34
there
21:35
working
21:35
for
21:36
exactly
21:36
the
21:36
goals
21:37
that
21:37
you
21:37
say
21:38
are
21:38
so
21:38
important
21:38
for
21:39
justice
21:40
and
21:40
just
21:40
not.
21:41
Judaism
21:42
and
21:42
Zionism
21:42
are
21:43
completely
21:44
different
21:44
things.
21:46
There's
21:46
nothing
21:46
in
21:46
common.
21:47
And
21:47
like
21:48
what
21:48
we
21:48
did,
21:48
we
21:49
have
21:49
filmmakers
21:50
and
21:50
we
21:50
have
21:50
spiritual
21:51
communities.
21:52
So
21:52
we
21:52
got
21:52
back
21:53
and
21:53
we
21:53
start
21:53
speaking
21:54
to
21:54
our
21:54
spiritual
21:55
community.
21:55
Listen,
21:56
this
21:56
is
21:56
what
21:56
we
21:57
saw,
21:57
this
21:57
is
21:58
what
21:58
we
21:58
experienced.
22:00
And
22:00
with
22:01
the
22:01
film
22:01
now
22:02
has
22:02
been
22:02
seen
22:03
over,
22:03
I
22:04
don't
22:04
know,
22:05
thousands
22:05
screenings
22:06
people
22:06
have
22:06
organized
22:07
all
22:07
over
22:07
the
22:08
world.
22:08
Schools,
22:09
universities,
22:10
and
22:11
the
22:11
film
22:12
has
22:12
also
22:13
funded.
22:13
We
22:13
planted
22:14
2,500
22:15
olive
22:16
trees
22:16
in
22:16
the
22:16
west
22:17
bank,
22:17
because
22:17
that's
22:18
one
22:18
thing.
22:18
Also
22:18
Israel
22:19
does
22:20
they
22:20
go
22:20
and
22:21
burn
22:22
like
22:22
hundreds
22:23
of
22:23
years
22:23
old
22:24
olive
22:24
trees,
22:25
which
22:25
is
22:27
heartbreaking.
22:28
And
22:28
then
22:28
we
22:29
also
22:29
provided
22:30
80,000
22:31
gallons
22:31
of
22:32
drinking
22:32
water
22:33
in
22:33
Gaza,
22:33
and
22:33
we
22:34
continue
22:34
to
22:35
do
22:35
that
22:35
work
22:36
so
22:36
each
22:36
and
22:37
every
22:37
one
22:37
of
22:37
us
22:38
can
22:38
find
22:39
our
22:39
way
22:39
to
22:40
participate
22:41
in
22:41
the
22:41
change,
22:42
to
22:42
participate
22:43
in
22:44
alleviating
22:44
the
22:45
suffering
22:45
of
22:45
Palestinian
22:46
people
22:46
in
22:46
this
22:47
very
22:47
moment.
22:48
As
22:48
we
22:49
continue
22:49
to
22:49
grapple
22:50
with
22:50
the
22:50
question,
22:52
how
22:52
do
22:52
we
22:53
stop
22:53
this
22:53
bloodshed?
22:54
How
22:54
do
22:55
we
22:55
stop
22:55
this
22:56
wound
22:57
from
22:57
continuing
22:58
to
22:58
bleed?
22:59
And
23:01
how.
23:02
It's
23:02
a
23:02
huge
23:03
question.
23:03
How
23:04
do
23:04
these
23:04
children
23:05
in
23:05
Gaza
23:05
right
23:06
now,
23:06
seeing
23:07
what
23:07
they're
23:07
seeing,
23:08
how
23:09
would
23:09
they
23:09
carry
23:10
life
23:10
forward?
23:12
The
23:12
trauma
23:14
it's
23:14
gonna
23:15
live
23:15
for
23:15
generations.
23:17
They
23:17
cannot
23:17
carry
23:18
hatred.
23:19
I
23:19
mean,
23:20
if
23:20
it
23:20
was
23:20
us
23:20
there,
23:21
John,
23:21
I
23:21
was
23:21
saying
23:22
to
23:22
you,
23:22
if
23:22
it
23:22
was
23:22
us,
23:23
you
23:23
and
23:23
I,
23:23
seeing
23:24
the
23:24
conversation
23:25
we
23:25
had
23:25
if
23:25
you
23:26
and
23:26
I
23:26
were
23:26
there
23:27
in
23:27
school
23:27
together
23:28
now
23:29
80
23:29
years
23:29
old
23:30
kids
23:30
in
23:30
Gaza,
23:31
how
23:31
will
23:32
we
23:32
be
23:33
when
23:33
we
23:33
are
23:33
18?
23:34
And
23:34
also
23:34
we
23:35
were
23:35
walking
23:35
through
23:35
the
23:35
streets
23:36
on
23:36
October
23:37
7th
23:37
and
23:37
seeing
23:38
all
23:38
the
23:38
body
23:38
parts
23:38
and
23:38
all
23:39
the
23:39
corpses
23:39
around.
23:40
How
23:40
would
23:40
we
23:41
feel
23:41
there?
23:41
It's
23:41
the
23:42
same.
23:42
Same.
23:42
Yeah,
23:43
it's
23:43
the
23:43
same
23:43
because
23:44
the
23:44
October
23:45
7
23:45
is
23:45
a
23:45
date
23:46
but
23:46
October
23:46
6,
23:47
5,
23:47
4,
23:48
there
23:48
is
23:49
been
23:49
several
23:50
and
23:51
they
23:51
call
23:51
it
23:52
mowing
23:52
the
23:52
law.
23:53
Mowing
23:53
the
23:53
law.
23:54
When
23:54
the
23:54
Israeli
23:55
goes
23:55
to
23:55
Gaza,
23:56
mowing
23:56
the
23:56
law
23:57
every
23:58
X
23:58
amount
23:58
of
23:58
year,
23:59
I
23:59
think
23:59
it's
23:59
four
24:00
or
24:00
five
24:00
years
24:00
they
24:01
go
24:01
in
24:01
and
24:01
kill
24:01
few
24:02
thousand
24:02
people.
24:03
That's,
24:03
that's
24:03
a,
24:04
that's
24:04
a.
24:04
It's
24:05
documented.
24:05
It's
24:05
documented.
24:06
It's
24:06
happening
24:07
anyway.
24:07
UN
24:08
so
24:09
yes,
24:10
this
24:10
didn't
24:11
start
24:11
October
24:12
7th.
24:12
Please,
24:12
this
24:13
not
24:13
start
24:13
October
24:14
7th.
24:14
And
24:15
there
24:15
is
24:15
no
24:15
beginning
24:16
and
24:16
I'm
24:16
not.
24:16
And
24:17
there
24:17
I
24:17
don't
24:17
know
24:17
the
24:17
solution.
24:18
But
24:18
the
24:18
solution
24:19
is
24:19
to
24:19
find
24:20
a
24:20
way
24:20
in
24:21
which
24:21
we
24:21
stop
24:21
the
24:22
violence
24:22
on
24:22
both
24:22
side.
24:23
I
24:23
agree
24:23
a
24:23
hundred
24:24
percent
24:24
with
24:24
you.
24:24
How
24:25
do
24:25
we
24:25
stop
24:25
the
24:25
violence?
24:26
By
24:27
bringing
24:27
dignity,
24:28
justice,
24:29
food,
24:30
education,
24:31
freedom
24:32
to
24:33
each
24:33
and
24:33
every
24:33
one
24:34
on
24:34
both
24:35
sides.
24:36
Yes,
24:36
but
24:37
if
24:37
we
24:37
continue,
24:38
if
24:38
we
24:38
continue
24:39
expanding.
24:40
Expanding,
24:41
expanding
24:41
and
24:42
bring
24:42
more
24:42
settler
24:43
and
24:43
kill
24:43
more
24:44
Palestinians
24:44
because
24:45
they
24:45
call
24:45
them,
24:45
this
24:46
primary
24:46
called
24:46
them,
24:47
they're.
24:47
Those
24:47
kids
24:48
should
24:48
be
24:48
killed
24:49
because
24:49
they
24:49
are
24:49
snakes.
24:50
The
24:51
kids
24:51
should
24:51
be
24:52
killed
24:52
because
24:52
they
24:52
are
24:53
snakes.
24:54
Poly
24:55
high
24:55
rank
24:56
politician
24:56
can
24:56
say
24:57
something
24:57
like
24:57
this
24:58
and
24:58
nobody,
25:00
you
25:00
know,
25:00
bring
25:00
him
25:01
to
25:01
the
25:01
UN
25:01
to
25:02
the
25:02
hug
25:02
in
25:03
person,
25:03
it's
25:04
appalling.
25:05
But
25:05
I,
25:05
I
25:05
will
25:06
say
25:06
Einstein
25:06
said
25:07
that
25:07
you
25:07
can't
25:07
solve
25:08
a
25:08
problem
25:08
on
25:09
the
25:09
same
25:09
level
25:09
it
25:09
was
25:10
created.
25:10
Absolutely.
25:11
Somehow
25:12
we
25:12
have
25:12
to
25:12
up
25:12
level
25:12
this
25:13
thing
25:13
or
25:13
it's
25:13
just
25:14
going
25:14
to
25:14
not
25:14
go
25:15
away,
25:15
it's
25:15
just
25:15
going
25:15
to
25:15
get
25:15
worse.
25:16
The
25:16
hatred
25:17
revealed
25:17
and
25:17
it
25:18
just
25:18
insane.
25:19
And
25:19
I
25:19
don't
25:19
think
25:20
anyone
25:20
would
25:20
agree
25:21
with,
25:21
with
25:21
what's
25:22
going
25:22
on
25:22
in
25:22
the
25:22
settlements.
25:23
That's
25:24
illegal,
25:24
that's
25:24
horrible.
25:25
I
25:25
think
25:25
most
25:25
of
25:25
the
25:26
world
25:26
agrees
25:26
to
25:26
that
25:27
and
25:27
I
25:27
don't
25:28
think
25:29
many
25:29
people
25:30
agree
25:30
what's
25:30
going
25:30
on
25:30
in
25:31
Gaza
25:31
right
25:31
now.
25:32
It's
25:33
just
25:33
horrendous.
25:33
And
25:33
the
25:33
world's
25:34
turning
25:34
against
25:34
Israel
25:35
by
25:35
and
25:35
large.
25:38
And
25:38
I
25:39
just
25:39
want
25:39
to
25:39
bring
25:40
it
25:40
to
25:40
the
25:40
spiritual
25:41
community
25:41
again
25:42
because
25:42
this
25:43
is
25:43
our
25:43
audience,
25:44
this
25:44
is
25:44
our
25:44
community.
25:47
At
25:47
the
25:47
beginning
25:48
when
25:48
we
25:48
asked
25:48
spiritual
25:49
teacher,
25:49
why
25:50
don't
25:50
you
25:50
say
25:50
something,
25:51
why
25:51
don't
25:51
you
25:51
address
25:52
it?
25:52
And
25:53
you
25:53
probably
25:54
have
25:54
noticed
25:55
the
25:55
silence
25:55
in
25:56
most
25:57
spiritual
25:58
communities
25:58
and
25:58
they're
25:58
like
25:58
oh
25:59
that's
25:59
politics.
26:00
We
26:00
don't
26:00
want
26:00
to
26:00
deal
26:01
with
26:01
politics.
26:03
So
26:03
I
26:03
think
26:04
that
26:04
goes
26:04
also
26:04
to
26:05
the
26:05
very
26:05
essence
26:06
of
26:06
the
26:06
issue
26:07
of
26:08
our
26:08
times,
26:09
that
26:09
we
26:09
have
26:10
separated
26:11
what
26:12
we
26:12
call
26:12
justice,
26:13
politics,
26:14
spirituality,
26:16
ecology,
26:17
the
26:17
kind
26:17
of
26:17
silos
26:18
that,
26:18
oh,
26:19
I
26:19
work
26:19
on
26:19
ecology
26:20
now
26:20
I
26:20
do
26:21
politics.
26:22
And
26:22
it's
26:22
not
26:23
like
26:23
this.
26:23
This
26:23
is
26:24
where
26:24
we
26:24
have
26:24
to
26:24
strip
26:25
those
26:26
labels.
26:27
Labels
26:27
and
26:28
container.
26:29
Yeah.
26:29
And
26:30
really
26:30
see
26:30
that
26:30
if
26:31
we
26:31
really
26:32
believe
26:32
in
26:33
interconnectedness,
26:34
in
26:34
oneness,
26:35
if
26:36
our
26:36
brothers
26:36
and
26:37
sisters
26:37
are
26:37
suffering,
26:38
we
26:38
are
26:39
suffering
26:39
too,
26:39
because
26:40
we
26:40
are
26:40
connected.
26:41
And
26:41
just
26:42
from
26:42
that
26:42
level,
26:43
we
26:43
need
26:44
to
26:45
turn
26:45
towards
26:46
the
26:46
pain
26:47
and
26:47
be
26:47
with
26:47
the
26:47
pain.
26:48
Even
26:48
though
26:48
we
26:49
can't
26:49
solve
26:49
it,
26:50
we
26:51
cannot
26:51
look
26:51
away,
26:52
we
26:52
cannot
26:52
pretend
26:53
it's
26:53
not
26:53
there.
26:54
Which
26:54
is
26:55
very,
26:55
very
26:55
sad
26:56
to
26:56
see
26:57
that
26:57
still
26:57
many
26:58
therapists
26:58
and
26:58
spiritual
26:59
teachers
26:59
don't
27:00
want
27:00
to
27:00
look
27:00
that
27:00
way.
27:01
It's
27:01
too
27:02
uncomfortable.
27:03
And
27:03
that
27:04
discomfort
27:05
is
27:05
the
27:06
very
27:06
essence
27:06
of
27:07
the
27:07
issue
27:08
on
27:08
a
27:09
psychological
27:10
and
27:10
archetypal
27:11
level.
27:13
And
27:13
clearly
27:14
the
27:14
first
27:14
thing
27:15
is
27:15
to
27:15
bring
27:15
awareness
27:16
to
27:16
it.
27:16
And.
27:18
John's
27:19
question
27:19
of
27:19
what
27:19
can
27:19
we
27:19
do?
27:20
We
27:20
need
27:20
to
27:20
acknowledge
27:21
that
27:21
that's
27:22
a
27:22
very
27:22
profound
27:23
question.
27:25
It's
27:25
not
27:25
like
27:25
any
27:25
of
27:26
us
27:26
will
27:26
suddenly,
27:26
oh,
27:27
I
27:27
have
27:28
an
27:28
answer
27:28
or
27:28
the
27:28
answer.
27:29
It's
27:29
like,
27:29
no.
27:30
These
27:31
are
27:31
questions
27:31
to
27:32
sit
27:32
with
27:32
and
27:32
for
27:32
each
27:33
of
27:33
us
27:33
to
27:33
wrestle
27:34
with
27:34
and
27:35
to
27:35
look
27:36
what's
27:37
the
27:37
most
27:37
strategic
27:38
thing
27:38
we
27:38
can
27:38
do?
27:39
And
27:39
for
27:39
you,
27:40
your
27:40
filmmakers,
27:40
you
27:41
made
27:41
this
27:41
incredibly
27:42
powerful
27:43
film
27:44
which
27:44
is
27:45
just
27:45
hot,
27:45
moving,
27:46
heartbreaking,
27:48
and
27:48
really
27:49
does
27:49
illustrate
27:50
the
27:51
apartheid
27:51
like
27:52
system
27:52
that's
27:53
operating,
27:53
has
27:54
operated
27:54
for
27:54
years
27:55
way
27:55
before
27:55
the
27:56
Hamas
27:57
attack.
27:57
So
27:58
that's
27:58
part
27:58
of
27:58
it.
27:59
And
27:59
our
27:59
hope
28:00
is
28:00
that
28:01
this
28:01
podcast,
28:02
having
28:02
you
28:02
speak
28:02
to
28:03
our
28:03
audience,
28:04
our
28:04
growing
28:05
audience,
28:05
will
28:05
have
28:06
its
28:06
impact
28:06
and
28:07
that,
28:07
you
28:08
know,
28:08
I've.
28:08
I've
28:08
certainly
28:09
been
28:09
moved
28:10
just
28:10
in,
28:10
in
28:11
watching
28:11
a
28:11
film
28:12
and
28:12
being
28:12
preparing
28:13
for
28:13
this.
28:13
John
28:14
has
28:14
too.
28:14
And,
28:15
and
28:16
hopefully
28:17
there'll
28:17
be
28:17
people
28:18
in
28:18
our
28:18
audience
28:19
who
28:19
will
28:20
be
28:20
moved
28:21
in
28:21
the
28:21
same
28:21
way.
28:22
Hopefully
28:22
a
28:23
lot
28:23
of
28:23
people
28:23
watch
28:24
the
28:24
film.
28:24
So
28:25
it's
28:25
a
28:25
human
28:25
issue,
28:26
it's
28:26
not
28:26
a
28:26
political
28:27
issue.
28:27
That's
28:28
what
28:28
we
28:28
wanted
28:29
with
28:29
the
28:29
film,
28:29
to
28:29
tell
28:30
human
28:30
stories.
28:31
We
28:31
did
28:32
give
28:32
some
28:32
background,
28:33
but
28:33
the.
28:34
It's
28:34
a
28:34
human,
28:35
on
28:36
a
28:36
human
28:36
level,
28:36
it's
28:37
a
28:37
collective.
28:37
We're
28:38
losing
28:38
our
28:38
humanity
28:39
in
28:39
this.
28:40
Yes,
28:41
yes,
28:41
and
28:42
yeah.
28:42
And
28:43
yes,
28:44
this
28:44
could
28:44
be
28:44
the
28:44
blueprint
28:45
of
28:45
how
28:46
this
28:46
planet
28:46
will
28:46
look
28:47
if
28:47
we
28:47
don't
28:48
deal
28:48
with
28:48
it.
28:48
Well,
28:48
we've
28:49
been
28:49
doing
28:49
the
28:49
same
28:49
thing
28:50
for
28:51
thousands
28:51
of
28:52
years.
28:52
We
28:52
just
28:53
have
28:53
the
28:53
technology
28:54
now
28:54
that
28:54
makes
28:54
it
28:54
all
28:55
that
28:55
much
28:55
more
28:55
doable.
28:56
Yes.
28:56
And
28:57
this
28:57
makes
28:57
it
28:57
scary.
28:58
It's
28:58
like
28:58
there
28:59
wasn't
28:59
a
28:59
golden
28:59
age
29:00
where
29:00
everybody
29:00
treated
29:00
each
29:01
other
29:01
kind
29:01
never
29:02
happened.
29:02
No,
29:03
no,
29:03
no.
29:03
But
29:03
now
29:04
also
29:04
we
29:04
see
29:05
it.
29:05
Yeah.
29:05
And
29:06
it's
29:06
right
29:06
in
29:06
our
29:06
face.
29:07
Exactly.
29:07
Because
29:08
in.
29:08
In
29:08
the
29:09
past,
29:09
my
29:09
grand,
29:10
grand,
29:10
grand,
29:10
grand,
29:10
grand
29:11
grandparents
29:11
probably
29:11
didn't
29:12
know
29:12
what
29:12
was
29:13
happening
29:13
in
29:13
the.
29:14
In
29:14
Australia,
29:15
you
29:16
know.
29:16
Yeah.
29:17
And
29:17
I
29:17
watched
29:17
your
29:17
film
29:18
sitting
29:18
where
29:18
I
29:19
am
29:19
now
29:19
on
29:19
my
29:19
computer,
29:20
and
29:20
it
29:20
was
29:20
just.
29:21
Yeah,
29:21
we
29:22
see.
29:22
It
29:22
is
29:23
undeniable.
29:24
Yeah.
29:25
Yeah.
29:26
Well,
29:26
first
29:27
off,
29:27
I
29:27
want
29:27
to
29:27
just
29:27
say
29:28
thank
29:28
you
29:29
or.
29:30
For
29:30
the.
29:30
For
29:31
this
29:31
film.
29:31
And
29:32
thank
29:32
you
29:32
for
29:32
all
29:32
your
29:32
work,
29:33
actually.
29:33
But
29:33
this
29:33
film
29:34
is
29:34
a.
29:34
It's
29:34
just.
29:35
It's
29:35
just.
29:36
Just
29:36
to
29:36
throw
29:37
light
29:37
on
29:37
this,
29:38
just
29:38
to
29:38
see
29:39
what's
29:39
happening
29:40
is
29:40
a
29:40
first
29:40
step.
29:41
And
29:41
I
29:42
really
29:43
appreciate
29:43
the
29:43
fact
29:44
that
29:44
you
29:44
respond
29:45
to
29:45
all
29:46
the
29:46
hate.
29:46
Hate
29:47
messages
29:47
you
29:47
get.
29:48
I
29:48
think
29:48
that's
29:48
fantastic.
29:49
Good
29:50
for
29:50
you.
29:50
It's
29:50
important.
29:51
We
29:51
had
29:52
to
29:52
expand
29:52
our
29:53
customer
29:53
service
29:54
team
29:54
and
29:54
we
29:55
respond
29:55
with
29:56
compassion.
29:57
Sometimes
29:57
we
29:58
lose.
29:58
So
29:58
it's
29:58
when
29:58
we.
29:59
Very
30:00
rare,
30:00
but
30:01
we.
30:01
We
30:01
feel
30:02
the
30:02
pain.
30:02
So
30:02
we
30:03
try
30:03
to
30:03
connect
30:03
to
30:04
the
30:04
pain.
30:04
The
30:04
hate
30:05
comes
30:05
from
30:05
pain.
30:07
We
30:07
feel
30:07
your
30:07
pain.
30:08
We
30:08
understand
30:09
and
30:10
we'll
30:11
share
30:12
what
30:12
we
30:12
know
30:12
and
30:13
what
30:13
we've
30:13
experienced.
30:14
And.
30:15
And
30:15
do
30:15
you
30:15
get.
30:16
Do
30:16
you
30:16
get
30:16
a.
30:16
Responses
30:17
back
30:17
to
30:18
yourself?
30:18
Yeah.
30:18
Oh,
30:19
yeah.
30:19
We
30:19
go
30:20
for
30:20
months
30:20
sometimes.
30:21
Sometimes
30:22
they
30:22
are
30:22
conversation.
30:22
They
30:23
last
30:23
for
30:23
a
30:23
long
30:24
time,
30:24
and.
30:25
They
30:25
evolve
30:26
customer
30:26
service.
30:27
He's
30:27
Jewish,
30:28
and
30:28
he
30:28
was
30:29
very
30:29
much
30:30
indoctrinated.
30:31
He
30:31
came
30:32
when
30:32
we
30:32
went
30:33
to
30:33
Palestine.
30:33
He
30:34
was
30:34
like,
30:34
you
30:34
shouldn't
30:35
be
30:35
doing
30:35
this.
30:37
And
30:37
he.
30:37
Through
30:38
our
30:38
journey,
30:38
he
30:39
learned
30:39
and
30:39
he
30:39
opened
30:40
and
30:40
he
30:40
studied.
30:41
I
30:41
mean,
30:41
he
30:41
spent
30:42
months
30:42
studying
30:43
the
30:43
history.
30:43
And
30:44
he
30:44
was
30:44
like,
30:45
I
30:45
can't
30:46
believe
30:46
I
30:46
was
30:46
so
30:47
blind.
30:48
So
30:48
he's
30:48
also
30:49
answering
30:50
from
30:50
that
30:50
point
30:51
of
30:51
view.
30:51
It's
30:51
like,
30:51
I
30:52
know
30:52
I
30:52
was
30:52
there
30:52
myself,
30:54
and
30:54
this
30:54
is
30:54
what
30:54
I
30:55
learned
30:55
on
30:55
the
30:55
journey.
30:56
So
30:56
that's
30:56
also
30:56
a
30:57
good
30:57
way
30:57
to
30:58
help
30:58
people
30:58
understand,
30:59
you
30:59
know,
31:00
you're
31:00
not
31:00
alone
31:01
on
31:01
that
31:01
journey
31:01
of
31:02
unlearning
31:02
indoctrination.
31:04
And
31:04
does
31:05
it
31:05
diffuse
31:05
some
31:06
of
31:06
the
31:06
hatred?
31:07
Oh,
31:07
yeah.
31:07
Oh,
31:08
yeah.
31:08
Some
31:08
people.
31:09
Some
31:09
people.
31:10
Some.
31:10
No.
31:11
Some
31:11
people
31:12
came
31:12
after
31:12
a
31:12
few
31:13
months
31:13
and
31:13
said,
31:13
we
31:14
see
31:14
what
31:14
you
31:14
actually
31:15
did
31:15
now.
31:16
Like,
31:16
I'm
31:17
with
31:17
you.
31:18
We
31:18
had
31:18
people
31:18
from
31:19
Israel.
31:19
I
31:20
mean,
31:20
we've
31:20
done
31:20
events
31:21
with
31:21
rabbis.
31:22
Like
31:22
a
31:23
month
31:23
ago,
31:23
we
31:23
did
31:23
a
31:24
Rabbi
31:24
Lynn
31:25
Gottlieb
31:25
and
31:26
several
31:26
spiritual.
31:27
She's
31:27
wonderful.
31:28
Yeah,
31:28
she's
31:28
wonderful.
31:29
And
31:29
different
31:30
spiritual
31:30
teachers.
31:33
So.
31:34
Yeah.
31:35
And
31:35
we
31:35
also
31:35
had
31:36
characters
31:36
in
31:37
the
31:37
movies
31:37
that
31:37
you
31:38
will
31:38
see
31:39
two,
31:40
let's
31:40
say
31:40
one
31:40
character
31:41
in
31:41
the
31:41
movie
31:41
that
31:42
she.
31:42
Basically,
31:43
when
31:43
we
31:43
came
31:43
out
31:43
with
31:44
this,
31:44
she
31:44
lives
31:44
with
31:45
indigenous.
31:45
She's
31:45
Jewish
31:46
and
31:46
lives
31:46
in
31:46
indigenous
31:47
culture
31:47
in
31:47
The
31:48
United
31:48
States.
31:49
Because
31:49
she
31:49
wanted
31:49
to
31:49
live
31:49
with
31:49
the.
31:50
With
31:50
the
31:50
real
31:51
indigenous
31:51
culture.
31:52
Da,
31:52
da,
31:52
da.
31:53
And
31:53
she
31:53
moved
31:53
there
31:54
40
31:54
years
31:54
ago.
31:54
She
31:55
has
31:55
been.
31:55
She's
31:55
completely
31:56
committed.
31:57
You
31:57
know,
31:57
she
31:57
understand
31:58
everything.
31:58
The
31:59
colonial
31:59
everything.
32:00
Understand.
32:00
We
32:01
did
32:01
the
32:01
movie.
32:01
She
32:02
completely
32:02
got
32:03
berserk
32:03
on
32:03
us
32:04
in
32:05
an
32:05
adorable
32:05
way.
32:06
I
32:06
said,
32:06
no,
32:07
but
32:07
this
32:07
is
32:07
completely
32:07
different.
32:08
And
32:08
we
32:09
say,
32:09
okay,
32:09
we
32:09
start
32:09
a
32:09
conversation
32:10
now.
32:11
She's
32:12
100%
32:12
on
32:13
our
32:13
side.
32:13
I'm
32:14
sorry,
32:14
I
32:14
didn't
32:14
understand.
32:15
I
32:15
was
32:16
so
32:16
brainwashed
32:16
and
32:18
I
32:18
was
32:18
so.
32:19
And
32:19
it's
32:20
amazing.
32:20
Some
32:21
people.
32:22
Yeah.
32:22
Some
32:22
serious
32:23
Zionist.
32:24
Cause
32:24
of
32:24
the
32:24
movie.
32:25
They
32:25
said.
32:26
They
32:27
started
32:27
conversation
32:28
and
32:28
said,
32:29
yeah,
32:29
they
32:29
were
32:29
able
32:30
to
32:30
swap.
32:30
That's
32:31
really.
32:31
People
32:31
want
32:32
to
32:32
be
32:32
heard.
32:32
We
32:33
all
32:33
want
32:33
to
32:33
be
32:33
heard.
32:34
What
32:34
else?
32:35
We
32:35
all
32:35
want
32:35
to
32:35
be
32:36
heard.
32:36
Want
32:36
someone
32:37
to
32:38
go
32:38
deeper
32:38
in
32:38
this.
32:40
There
32:40
is
32:40
Maytal.
32:41
They.
32:42
She.
32:43
They
32:43
were
32:44
in
32:44
the
32:45
idf.
32:45
She
32:46
was
32:46
IDF
32:46
soldiers,
32:47
a
32:47
pilot.
32:48
Her
32:48
father
32:49
was
32:49
high
32:49
rank,
32:50
Very
32:50
high
32:50
rank.
32:51
Very
32:51
high
32:51
rank
32:51
in
32:51
the
32:52
army.
32:52
And
32:53
she
32:53
wrote
32:53
a
32:53
beautiful
32:54
book
32:54
called
32:55
Bloodlines.
32:56
Grappling
32:57
with
32:57
her
32:58
bloodlines.
32:59
And
32:59
she's
33:00
little.
33:00
They
33:01
are
33:01
more
33:02
extreme
33:02
than
33:02
we
33:02
are.
33:03
So
33:03
I
33:04
don't
33:04
know.
33:04
But
33:05
she's
33:05
a
33:05
poet
33:06
that
33:06
speaks
33:07
beautifully,
33:08
spiritually
33:08
connected.
33:10
Check
33:10
the
33:10
book,
33:11
Steve.
33:11
You
33:11
always
33:12
get
33:12
an
33:12
introduction
33:13
and
33:13
you.
33:14
Could
33:14
have
33:14
a
33:15
conversation.
33:15
Yes,
33:16
well,
33:16
that
33:16
would
33:16
be
33:16
really.
33:17
Yeah.
33:17
Yeah.
33:17
I
33:17
mean,
33:17
Tara
33:18
Brack
33:18
is
33:19
very
33:19
courageous.
33:20
I
33:20
don't
33:21
know
33:21
if
33:21
you've
33:21
interviewed
33:22
Tara
33:22
Brack.
33:22
No,
33:23
we
33:23
haven't,
33:23
but
33:23
I've
33:24
listened
33:24
to
33:24
her
33:24
a
33:24
lot.
33:24
She's.
33:25
She's
33:25
really
33:25
a.
33:26
My
33:26
wife's
33:27
favorite
33:27
Buddhist
33:27
teacher,
33:28
by
33:28
the
33:28
way,
33:28
and
33:28
probably
33:29
right
33:29
up
33:29
there
33:29
with
33:29
mine,
33:29
too.
33:30
So
33:30
she's
33:31
amazing.
33:32
And
33:32
she
33:32
spoke
33:33
right
33:33
away
33:33
like
33:34
she
33:34
was
33:34
very
33:34
early
33:35
on.
33:35
She
33:36
spoke
33:37
and
33:37
to
33:37
her
33:38
community.
33:38
She's
33:39
one
33:39
of
33:39
the
33:39
few
33:39
spiritual
33:40
teachers
33:40
that
33:40
was
33:41
very
33:41
courageous
33:43
to
33:43
address
33:43
Gaza
33:44
and
33:44
to
33:44
address
33:44
the.
33:46
By
33:46
the
33:46
way,
33:46
I
33:46
have
33:46
a
33:47
song
33:47
that
33:47
I
33:47
wrote
33:48
and
33:48
sang
33:49
on
33:49
Ukraine
33:50
that's
33:50
on
33:51
YouTube.
33:51
Well,
33:51
I
33:51
had
33:52
a
33:52
young
33:52
Ukrainian
33:52
girl
33:53
did
33:53
the
33:53
video.
33:53
And
33:54
whatever
33:54
you
33:54
think
33:55
of
33:55
the
33:55
song,
33:55
you.
33:55
You'll
33:56
just
33:56
weep.
33:56
It's
33:57
so
33:58
powerful.
33:59
How
33:59
do
33:59
we
33:59
find
33:59
it?
34:00
Just
34:00
put
34:00
Ukraine
34:01
with
34:01
an
34:01
exclamation
34:02
mark
34:02
and
34:02
John
34:02
Dupuy.
34:03
Okay,
34:04
okay.
34:05
On
34:05
YouTube.
34:08
Okay.
34:08
Yeah.
34:10
Maybe
34:10
as
34:10
we
34:10
come
34:11
towards
34:11
the
34:11
end
34:11
of
34:11
the
34:11
time,
34:12
I'd
34:12
like
34:12
to
34:12
ask
34:12
you
34:13
about
34:13
what's
34:14
next
34:14
for
34:14
you.
34:16
You
34:16
keep
34:16
moving,
34:17
you're
34:17
missing.
34:20
There's
34:20
always
34:20
a
34:21
new
34:21
thing.
34:21
So
34:22
what's
34:22
on
34:22
the
34:22
horizons
34:23
now?
34:24
We
34:24
are
34:25
on
34:25
the
34:25
horizon.
34:26
Well,
34:27
where
34:28
olive
34:28
trees
34:28
Weep
34:29
was
34:29
part
34:29
of
34:30
this
34:30
series
34:31
of
34:31
film
34:32
called
34:32
the
34:32
Eternal
34:33
Song.
34:34
And
34:34
the
34:34
Eternal
34:34
Song
34:35
is
34:35
basically
34:36
we
34:36
Travel
34:37
around
34:37
the
34:37
world
34:37
after
34:38
that
34:38
in
34:38
13
34:39
different
34:40
indigenous
34:41
communities
34:42
to
34:42
make.
34:42
We
34:43
thought
34:43
we
34:43
were
34:43
making
34:44
one
34:44
movie,
34:44
the
34:44
Eternal
34:45
Song,
34:45
which
34:46
came
34:46
out
34:46
and
34:46
is
34:46
available
34:47
eternalsong.org
34:49
and
34:49
then
34:50
we
34:50
realized
34:50
instead
34:51
that
34:51
we
34:51
have
34:52
12
34:52
different
34:52
feature
34:53
films,
34:54
one
34:54
in
34:54
each
34:55
location
34:55
that
34:55
we
34:56
have
34:56
been
34:56
visiting.
34:57
So
34:57
we
34:57
are
34:57
now
34:58
releasing
34:59
every
35:00
month,
35:00
month
35:00
and
35:01
a
35:01
half,
35:01
two
35:01
months,
35:02
one
35:03
of
35:03
these
35:03
films.
35:03
The
35:03
first
35:04
one
35:04
is
35:04
being
35:04
released
35:05
yesterday.
35:06
Maori
35:07
M
35:07
A
35:07
U
35:07
R
35:07
I
35:08
about
35:08
the
35:08
Maori
35:09
culture
35:10
in
35:10
Aotearoa,
35:11
New
35:11
Zealand.
35:12
And
35:12
we'll.
35:13
And
35:13
the
35:13
Eternal
35:14
Song
35:14
we
35:14
released
35:15
in
35:15
June,
35:16
and
35:16
it's
35:16
accompanied
35:17
by
35:17
collection,
35:18
incredible
35:19
collection
35:19
of
35:20
50
35:20
conversation
35:21
with
35:22
indigenous
35:23
elders
35:23
from
35:24
all
35:24
over
35:24
the
35:24
world.
35:25
Very
35:25
beautiful
35:26
film.
35:26
Yeah.
35:27
So
35:27
very,
35:28
very
35:28
rich.
35:29
In
35:30
addition
35:30
to
35:30
the
35:30
film,
35:31
anyone
35:31
can
35:32
dive
35:32
deeper
35:32
and
35:33
understand
35:34
really
35:35
what
35:35
are
35:35
the
35:35
indigenous
35:36
ways
35:37
of
35:37
relating,
35:38
of
35:38
healing,
35:40
of
35:40
dealing
35:41
with
35:41
pain.
35:42
And
35:42
again,
35:42
the
35:43
conversation
35:43
as
35:43
we
35:44
see
35:44
it,
35:44
with
35:45
send.
35:45
We
35:45
are
35:45
moving
35:46
from
35:46
the
35:47
individual
35:48
to
35:48
the
35:48
collective
35:49
journey
35:50
to
35:50
the
35:50
collective
35:51
process,
35:52
from
35:52
individual
35:53
awakening.
35:53
What's
35:54
my
35:54
practice
35:55
to,
35:55
like,
35:56
how
35:56
do
35:56
we
35:57
heal
35:57
together?
35:57
How
35:58
do
35:58
we
35:58
heal
35:58
in
35:58
community?
36:00
How
36:00
do
36:00
we
36:01
surf?
36:02
You
36:02
know
36:02
what?
36:03
Yeah.
36:03
And
36:03
I
36:03
think
36:03
in
36:04
the
36:04
last
36:04
part
36:04
of
36:04
this
36:04
conversation,
36:05
we
36:05
tapped
36:05
into
36:06
the
36:06
darkness.
36:07
You
36:07
know,
36:08
my
36:08
heart's
36:08
broken
36:08
over
36:09
the
36:09
whole
36:09
thing.
36:09
And
36:09
you,
36:10
obviously,
36:10
you
36:10
guys
36:11
were.
36:11
And
36:11
it
36:11
was
36:12
pretty
36:12
happy.
36:13
And
36:13
then
36:13
it
36:13
got
36:13
really,
36:14
you
36:14
know,
36:15
heavy.
36:16
And
36:16
I.
36:16
I
36:17
just
36:17
feel
36:17
that
36:17
deeply
36:17
in
36:18
my
36:18
heart.
36:18
And
36:19
you
36:19
guys
36:19
have
36:19
lived
36:20
a
36:20
life
36:21
well
36:21
done,
36:22
you
36:22
know,
36:22
and
36:22
you.
36:22
You
36:23
made
36:24
a
36:24
bigger
36:24
contribution
36:24
than
36:25
most
36:25
of
36:25
us
36:25
have
36:25
made.
36:27
And
36:27
the
36:27
quality
36:28
of
36:28
the
36:28
film,
36:28
by
36:28
the
36:29
way,
36:29
is
36:29
not
36:29
just
36:29
the
36:29
content.
36:30
It's
36:30
artistically
36:31
and
36:31
beautifully
36:32
shot.
36:32
It's
36:33
just
36:33
the.
36:33
I
36:33
mean,
36:34
the
36:34
opening
36:34
sequence
36:34
itself
36:35
is
36:35
just
36:35
a
36:35
masterpiece.
36:36
We
36:36
wanted
36:37
to
36:37
see
36:37
beauty
36:37
no
36:38
matter
36:38
where
36:38
we
36:38
were.
36:39
And
36:39
there
36:39
is
36:40
beauty
36:40
in
36:40
the
36:40
midst
36:41
of
36:41
pain.
36:41
And
36:42
we.
36:42
Our
36:43
films,
36:43
I
36:43
believe,
36:43
captures
36:44
that.
36:45
And
36:45
then
36:46
the
36:46
other
36:46
films
36:47
are
36:47
also
36:47
dark.
36:47
I
36:48
mean,
36:48
they
36:48
grapple
36:48
with
36:49
the
36:49
impact
36:49
of
36:49
colonialism
36:50
on
36:50
indigenous
36:51
communities.
36:51
Residential
36:52
schools,
36:53
board
36:54
schools,
36:54
what
36:54
happened
36:55
to
36:55
indigenous
36:56
children.
36:57
And
36:57
because
36:57
of
36:58
Catholic
36:58
Church,
36:59
because
36:59
of
36:59
the.
37:00
The
37:00
religion,
37:01
you
37:01
know,
37:01
these
37:01
are
37:02
also
37:03
big
37:03
questions
37:03
to
37:04
grapple
37:04
and
37:05
to.
37:05
To
37:06
sit
37:06
with.
37:07
I.
37:07
I
37:07
was
37:08
connected
37:08
to
37:08
the
37:08
Lakota
37:09
tribe,
37:09
so
37:09
I
37:09
know
37:10
all
37:10
these
37:10
stories
37:10
about
37:11
the
37:11
schools.
37:12
And
37:12
the
37:12
man
37:12
who
37:12
became
37:13
my
37:13
mentor,
37:14
they
37:14
kept
37:15
them
37:15
away,
37:15
lost
37:16
back
37:16
in
37:16
the
37:16
back
37:16
parts
37:17
of
37:17
the
37:17
reservation
37:18
so
37:18
they
37:19
wouldn't
37:19
get
37:19
called
37:19
off
37:20
to
37:20
these
37:20
schools
37:20
where
37:20
they're
37:21
trying
37:21
to.
37:21
Dead
37:22
Indian
37:22
eyes,
37:23
Indians,
37:24
Native
37:24
American
37:24
children.
37:25
Wallace
37:26
Black
37:26
Elk,
37:26
you
37:26
probably
37:26
have
37:26
heard
37:27
of
37:27
him,
37:27
but
37:27
he
37:27
was
37:27
a
37:27
very
37:28
loving
37:28
man
37:28
in
37:29
spite
37:29
of
37:29
all
37:29
that
37:29
history
37:29
and
37:30
everything
37:30
he
37:31
said.
37:31
Did
37:31
you
37:31
say
37:31
Black
37:32
Elk?
37:32
Yeah.
37:33
Wallace
37:33
Black
37:33
Elk
37:34
Yes.
37:34
And
37:35
he
37:35
said
37:35
one
37:35
time
37:35
in
37:36
a
37:36
sweat
37:36
lodge,
37:37
he
37:37
said,
37:37
all
37:38
of
37:38
our
37:38
blood
37:38
is
37:38
red.
37:40
There
37:40
it
37:40
is.
37:41
There
37:41
it
37:41
is.
37:43
So
37:43
he
37:43
was
37:44
sort
37:44
of.
37:45
Yeah.
37:45
We
37:46
all
37:46
have
37:46
been
37:47
indigenous
37:47
to
37:48
a
37:48
place
37:50
at
37:50
some
37:50
point
37:51
in
37:51
life.
37:53
Yeah.
37:53
And
37:53
we
37:53
had
37:53
that
37:54
relationship.
37:56
Yeah.
37:57
Maurizio,
37:58
as
37:58
we
37:59
come
37:59
towards
38:00
a
38:00
close
38:01
here,
38:01
is
38:01
there
38:01
anything
38:02
you'd
38:02
like
38:03
to
38:03
add?
38:04
Any
38:05
questions
38:05
that
38:05
you
38:06
would
38:06
like?
38:07
You
38:08
don't
38:08
usually
38:08
get
38:08
asked
38:09
that
38:09
you'd
38:09
like
38:09
to
38:09
be
38:10
asked.
38:11
Well,
38:11
I
38:11
am
38:11
just
38:11
very
38:12
grateful
38:12
for
38:13
the
38:13
two
38:13
of
38:13
you
38:14
for
38:14
being
38:15
in
38:15
this
38:15
conversation
38:16
and
38:17
for
38:17
opening
38:18
to
38:18
the
38:19
darkness,
38:20
to
38:20
the
38:20
pain.
38:22
I
38:22
think
38:22
that's.
38:23
That's
38:24
the
38:24
gift
38:24
of
38:25
this
38:25
time.
38:26
And.
38:28
Thank
38:28
you
38:29
because
38:29
it
38:29
takes
38:29
courage
38:30
to
38:30
look
38:31
in
38:31
the
38:32
direction
38:32
that
38:32
is
38:33
not.
38:34
Doesn't
38:34
look
38:34
good,
38:35
and
38:35
it's
38:35
uncomfortable
38:36
and
38:36
it's
38:36
painful.
38:37
So
38:38
thank
38:38
you.
38:38
And
38:39
may
38:39
that
38:39
ripple
38:40
through
38:41
your
38:41
community
38:42
and
38:43
many
38:43
more
38:43
hearts
38:44
for
38:44
people
38:44
to
38:44
wake
38:45
up
38:45
and
38:45
say,
38:46
no,
38:47
we
38:47
can't
38:48
continue
38:48
separating
38:49
life
38:49
into
38:50
our
38:50
silos
38:51
to
38:51
feel
38:51
comfortable
38:52
and
38:52
to
38:52
feel
38:52
safe.
38:53
If
38:54
we
38:54
truly
38:54
believe
38:54
we
38:55
are
38:55
one
38:55
and
38:56
we
38:56
are
38:56
interdependent.
38:57
That's
38:58
it.
38:59
May
38:59
it
38:59
be
38:59
so.
39:00
Well
39:00
you
39:01
have
39:01
done
39:01
with
39:02
your
39:02
life's
39:03
work
39:03
and
39:04
just
39:04
so
39:04
many,
39:05
so
39:05
much
39:05
good.
39:06
You've
39:06
made
39:06
so
39:07
many
39:07
contributions.
39:07
You've
39:08
touched
39:08
so
39:08
many
39:09
people
39:09
and
39:10
opened
39:10
a
39:11
lot
39:11
of
39:11
hearts
39:12
and
39:12
minds
39:12
in
39:12
beautiful,
39:13
beautiful
39:13
ways.
39:14
And
39:14
now
39:14
you're
39:14
opening
39:15
them
39:15
to.
39:16
In
39:16
a
39:16
bigger
39:16
picture,
39:17
to
39:17
the
39:18
historical
39:19
forces,
39:19
to
39:20
cultural
39:21
impact,
39:21
to
39:22
colonialism,
39:23
and
39:24
particularly
39:25
your
39:25
work
39:25
with
39:25
the
39:26
west
39:26
bank,
39:26
the
39:26
colonization
39:27
there,
39:28
the
39:28
apartheid
39:29
there.
39:30
Enormous
39:31
amount
39:31
of
39:31
suffering.
39:32
And
39:32
you've
39:32
done
39:32
it
39:33
from
39:33
a
39:33
place
39:34
of
39:34
both
39:35
your
39:35
own
39:35
hearts
39:36
and
39:37
making
39:38
the
39:38
hearts
39:39
and
39:39
feelings
39:40
of
39:41
people.
39:43
Praise.
39:45
You've
39:45
really
39:45
touched.
39:46
You've
39:46
really
39:46
let
39:47
them
39:47
touch
39:47
us.
39:48
So
39:48
it's
39:48
a
39:48
priceless
39:49
gift
39:49
you've
39:49
given
39:50
us
39:50
all.
39:50
So
39:50
thank
39:50
you
39:51
so
39:51
much.
39:51
Yeah.
39:51
And
39:52
I've
39:52
been
39:52
deeply
39:52
impacted
39:53
by
39:53
this.
39:54
God
39:54
bless
39:54
you
39:54
guys.
39:55
Thank
39:55
you.
39:55
And,
39:56
oh,
39:56
by
39:56
the
39:56
way,
39:56
one
39:57
thing
39:57
we
39:57
didn't
39:57
say,
39:58
that
39:58
all
39:58
the
39:59
movies
39:59
we
39:59
make,
40:00
50%
40:01
of
40:01
the.
40:01
Of
40:01
the
40:02
revenue
40:02
coming
40:03
from
40:03
the
40:03
movie
40:03
goes
40:03
back
40:04
to
40:04
the
40:04
indigenous
40:05
community
40:05
that
40:05
we
40:05
met
40:06
in
40:06
the
40:06
movie.
40:06
We
40:07
didn't
40:07
say
40:07
that
40:07
beautiful
40:08
is
40:08
including
40:08
$0
40:09
the
40:09
donation.
40:09
And
40:10
then
40:10
when
40:10
we
40:10
get
40:10
the
40:10
money,
40:11
we
40:11
cover
40:11
the
40:11
cost
40:11
of
40:12
the
40:12
movie,
40:12
and
40:13
after
40:13
that,
40:13
we
40:14
split
40:14
50%
40:15
to
40:15
project.
40:16
They're
40:16
initiated
40:17
by
40:17
the.
40:18
That's
40:18
important
40:19
also
40:19
because
40:20
we.
40:20
Perfect.
40:22
Thank
40:22
you
40:22
so
40:22
much.
40:22
Okay.
40:23
Deep
40:23
gratitude.
40:24
Thank
40:24
you,
40:25
Roger.
40:25
Thank
40:25
you,
40:26
John.
40:26
Thank
40:26
you,
40:26
Roger.
40:27
Thank
40:27
you.
40:28
To
40:28
the
40:28
next.
40:29
Yes.
40:29
May
40:30
your
40:30
good
40:30
work
40:30
continue
40:31
to
40:31
flourish.
40:32
Thank
40:32
you
40:32
so
40:32
much.
40:32
Likewise,
40:33
likewise,
40:34
likewise,
40:34
likewise.
40:35
We
40:36
are
40:36
all
40:36
little
40:37
parts
40:37
of
40:38
a
40:38
bigger
40:38
system.
40:39
We
40:39
are
40:39
all
40:39
connected.
40:40
Yeah.
40:43
Thank
40:43
you
40:43
very
40:43
much
40:44
for
40:44
being
40:44
a
40:44
part
40:45
of
40:45
this
40:45
conversation.
40:46
We
40:46
hope
40:46
that
40:46
you
40:47
were
40:47
moved
40:47
as
40:48
we
40:48
are
40:48
moved
40:48
being
40:49
part
40:49
of
40:49
it
40:49
ourselves.
40:50
We'd
40:50
also
40:51
like
40:51
to
40:51
say
40:51
that
40:51
this
40:52
is
40:52
being
40:52
funded
40:53
by
40:53
Roger
40:53
and
40:54
myself.
40:54
It
40:54
comes
40:54
out
40:54
of
40:54
our
40:54
pockets.
40:55
So
40:55
if
40:55
you
40:55
would
40:56
like
40:56
to
40:56
help
40:56
us
40:56
to
40:57
mainly
40:58
to
40:58
get
40:58
this
40:58
podcast
40:59
out
40:59
to
40:59
more
40:59
people
41:00
because
41:00
the
41:00
bigger
41:00
audience
41:01
have
41:01
which
41:01
is
41:01
steadily
41:02
growing,
41:02
but
41:02
the
41:02
more
41:03
people
41:03
we
41:03
can
41:03
reach
41:03
and
41:04
the
41:04
more
41:04
marketing
41:05
can
41:05
do,
41:05
the
41:05
more
41:06
positive
41:06
effect
41:06
we
41:07
can
41:07
have
41:07
on
41:07
the
41:07
world.
41:08
So
41:08
we've
41:08
done
41:08
that
41:08
a
41:08
couple
41:09
of
41:09
ways,
41:09
but
41:09
we'd
41:09
like
41:09
you
41:10
to
41:10
buy
41:10
us
41:10
a
41:11
cup
41:11
of
41:11
coffee,
41:11
very
41:11
simple.
41:12
And
41:12
I
41:12
do
41:12
that
41:13
with
41:13
podcasts
41:14
that
41:14
I
41:14
support
41:15
and
41:15
I
41:15
find
41:16
it's
41:16
very
41:16
satisfying.
41:17
So
41:17
thank
41:17
you
41:18
for
41:18
your
41:18
help,
41:18
thank
41:19
you
41:19
for
41:19
your
41:19
presence
41:19
and
41:20
thank
41:20
you
41:20
for
41:20
all
41:20
you
41:21
are
41:21
and
41:21
all
41:21
you
41:22
do.
41:22
We
41:22
love
41:22
you.