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The Contagion of Idiocy — Todd Hayen · UK Column Radio

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None. How long have you and I been
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doing this now? A long time.
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I, I knew a couple of the last time we did this, I actually
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looked up. I've forgotten.
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I mean, it's a couple of years at least, if not 3, three or
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four. I feel a long time.
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Yeah, I feel like no matter what happens, we have to continue
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doing these types of recordings into the future as long as we're
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here. You know, I can imagine the
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whole world bombed out and you and I are talking in the middle
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of the rubble. But talking utter nonsense.
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That's right, exactly spitballing, as they say.
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I got a call this morning from a very, very good friend of mine,
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probably my best friend because we grew up together, but he
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emigrated to your side of the pond over a decade ago.
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I don't know where he is in Calgary, I think and.
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Oh, OK. And he landed here in Cape Town
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this morning. He's here for a month.
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And I was, I was asking him if he's feeling jet lagged.
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And yes, he is because he arrived last night.
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But that flight, I mean, from anywhere in Canada to South
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Africa is very long. It's yeah, it's a long.
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I think it's over 20 hours. Oh my gosh.
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Wow. To fly from where I am, we're
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just Cape Town to New York is around 15 hours straight.
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And that's for me a very scary flight because it's just over
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the ocean. There's no nothing, there's no
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land. And I know that it makes no
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difference if you fall out of the sky, right?
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Makes actually no difference in the water.
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But it's like you could. Fall into a tree though, you
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know there is that girl. What was that in 1971 or
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something that fell 2 miles and fell in a tree and she survived?
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But it's interesting how the brain works if you if you're on
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a, on a, on like a little boat, like a rubber dinky, OK, let's
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go a bit bigger, let's say a yacht and you go out into the
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deep sea and you know that underneath you it's almost
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infinite. It's that deep it it messes up
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your brain. Oh, it does.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we have all kinds of
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weird perceptions like that. Just being in an aeroplane alone
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should make you crazy, you know, Talk about that, it being on the
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freeway in a car. No, but you're on the ground.
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So you, so you. No, but you feel like you.
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Have you it's better, it's better yeah, it's better.
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But but you, you go through a a thing of, and I've written about
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that a lot about this like healthy denial, you know, this,
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this realisation that, that in order to function in the world,
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we have to be in a state of denial most of the time of some
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sort, you know, because it's perilous out there.
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It's like, it's very easy to take you down, you know,
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something smashing you or whatever.
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And you really do have to like be in this.
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Oh well, whatever, you know, but.
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It's something that I don't, I don't understand with the human
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psyche. I mean, it doesn't matter what
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you tell me. I will never sleep at night with
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my arm hanging over the side of my bed.
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There is something under the bed.
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I'm just saying. I'm telling you, there's
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something there. There is.
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And it's the same sort of, it's the same sort of fear when
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you're in that yacht in the middle of the deep sea and
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someone says, hey, let's jump over and go for a swim.
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I think it's that that it's the fear of the unknown.
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That's what I think it is, which is why I think if you're driving
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on a highway, you you feel somewhat grounded because you
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can still hit the brakes and you can come to a stop.
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Well, yeah, I mean the the denial thing gets more and more
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extreme as as it becomes less and less in your control.
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So, you know, they're getting on the freeway in a car is is not
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that difficult to acquire that kind of denial, but you know,
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it's, it's but you're right. You know, if you feel like you
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have some control over the environment, then the denial you
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have to conjure up is not quite as intense.
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And when you're in an aeroplane, I mean, you know, think about it
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being in the yacht in the ocean, you still have some control
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because you're stable. You're sitting on a boat that's
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sitting on the top of the water. So, you know, your denial isn't,
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that doesn't have to be that great, but like in an aeroplane,
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it really does. I deal with it.
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Yeah. You have 0 control.
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And I, I have a lot of clients that of course, if you're
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traumatised, like if you're in a plane crash and you live through
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it, or if you're in a car crash and you live through it, you,
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you do have a less of a sense of denial because you, you, you
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know what can happen and you're very aware of it.
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And, and it's, it's unhealthy to, to have this denial, but
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it's also unhealthy to not have it in our modern culture.
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You know, you take somebody from the 1500s and pull them up into
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the modern age and they would go crazy very, very quickly because
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they, if they had any perception of what they were dealing with.
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You know, like in an aeroplane. If they, if they had any concept
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or any perception that they were up high in the air and had no
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control, they would probably lose their mind pretty quickly.
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Or or especially speeding in a car because they they could see
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that they their senses would be able to tell they were in
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something moving really quickly and dangerously so.
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Well, I mean, the interesting segue here is that that's
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precisely how the COVID event worked.
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It was the fear of the unknown. If if the authorities say
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there's a deadly virus, you can't see it and you know that
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people get sick and suddenly you see somebody getting sick around
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you, you think, oh, it must be that deadly virus.
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And so therefore you become more easily manipulated.
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Well, that's the whole thing is manipulation because the, the
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agenda, lack of a better word, you know, took that bull by the
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horns and figured, well, we can really manipulate people with
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this fear, just like you're saying.
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I mean, exactly like that. If, if it were a natural organic
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fear, it would be nowhere near as intense.
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Now, if there really was something to fear, like if there
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really was a virus that could kill everybody very easily, then
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we would learn that through our natural experience, just like
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they did during the bubonic plague at times.
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Of course, they had no idea what that was, but they knew it was
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there. So they would do whatever they
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thought they could do to control it or to to avoid it.
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The COVID thing was, in my view, was completely manufactured.
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It was a fabricated event in order to gain control.
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That was the purpose behind it. And they just made it up.
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You know, they used the flu as, as the springboard for their
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fabrication because people knew what that was and they knew that
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they if they had a, a respiratory issue that was flu
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like that, then the agenda just spun that around to be, oh, this
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is a special disease. Even though it seems like you're
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just getting a cold, this will kill you.
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This isn't like that. Well, the flu can kill you too,
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but you know, you're usually compromised that the flu is
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going to take you down. But this was something else.
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So they just ran with that. And of course you hear all these
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things like, well, cases of the flu went down almost 0 during
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the COVID time. And so that's just another
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indication that they were just using that.
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If you counted the COVID cases, quote unquote, whatever they
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were, if you counted them, they the the real ones, like people
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that actually got sick that with the flu, OK, whatever it was
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then then it would, it would match what the with the previous
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years where it would be kind of in alignment with that.
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At least that's what I've heard. I mean I I'm not an expert.
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But saying agenda is, I think, quite correct.
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I mean the whole climate change thing is also an agenda.
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And it's all interesting. Interesting, Todd.
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The way in which people become controlled easiest is with that
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invisible enemy. Well, you know, we, we don't, we
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don't actually see with our empirically, with our senses
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about 99% of what is going on in the world.
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You know, it used to be that before any of this media or or
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cameras or anything, we only knew what was going on that we
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could see within whatever we walked out of our cave or our
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Hut, we could see what we saw. And if there was a fire or if
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there was a Sabre tooth tiger running through the village or
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whatever, we saw it and we saw the danger.
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And then the things that we couldn't see, like maybe light,
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well, we could see lightning, but we didn't know where it came
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from. We didn't know what it was.
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We'd make up a myth about it. We'd make up some superstition
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about that and then we would follow the rules of that
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superstition, whether it be sacrifices to the crocodile gods
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so they don't need us when we walk across the river or
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whatever it might be. But no, I mean, you're, you're
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nailing it with that. And, and it's so it's so easy to
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manipulate that, that unseen thing, because it, it's all word
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of mouth. It doesn't become empirical
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evidence. We don't see people dropping
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dead in the street. We don't we don't see people
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dying of nuclear poisoning for or we don't get blasted apart by
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nuclear. I mean, you know, you read 1984
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and you can you can see all this stuff predicted like 7580 years
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ago, whenever it was. So it it's, you know, the war
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thing is, is such a good one too.
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That can be so easily faked and you know, oh, an atomic bomb
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went off in in Kiev. It's like how many people are
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going to know that's true or not?
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Just the people who are there that are like going, well, I
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don't see any bomb. I mean, you could fake that.
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The whole alien thing that's going on now with that three I
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Atlas nonsense is another one That's an unseen danger.
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I mean, it's a it's a far fetched one, but it seems that
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since the government is jumping on board with the alien thing
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now and suddenly you're saying, Oh yeah, they're aliens out
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there. Then then they can create
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something like this. If if they're doing that, I'm
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not saying they are for sure. I don't know.
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But an, an alien attack to fake that is, is a big one.
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That's that's like a very global, just like a pandemic is.
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It's a global, unseen danger. Assuming you don't think Earth
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is flat, do you think aliens? Is.
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It's concave. You kidding?
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Are you going to say it's not? I mean, who would have thought?
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Who would have thought? But do you think the alien thing
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could be real though? I mean.
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Yeah, sure, all all of this stuff could be real.
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That's just it. That's the reason why it's easy
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to believe unless you don't believe in infectious diseases
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at all, which a lot of people don't or they don't believe in
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viruses. I don't know what's the
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difference is bacterial infection that can get spread,
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is that also not considered? I mean, I don't know if if it's
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infectious diseases that people don't believe are just the idea
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of a virus, but whatever. I mean, if you do believe that
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far, there certainly could be a real thing.
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In fact, I wouldn't be surprised.
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One of the things I wouldn't be surprised about is if they
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actually release a real pathogen that can wipe out most people on
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Earth to get it down to that 500 million they're shooting for.
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And most people would not take vaccines because our side has
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made it so clear that it's a hoax and it's nonsense.
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If they release something that was real, you know, who knows,
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you might not have as many people complying, no?
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But my question was, do you think aliens could be real?
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Oh, aliens could definitely be real.
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In fact, I think aliens are real.
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I'm not quite sure if they're attacking us or not.
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I mean, that's the part that I would, I would really question.
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They've been around a long time and they haven't, they haven't
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done that yet. And who is it?
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There's, there's some theory and I can't, there's a name for it
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and I can't remember what it is. My brain's gone, but it's, it's
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that the reason why aliens haven't contacted us or haven't
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attacked us or whatever is because we're, we're, we're so
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insignificant. It, it would be like looking for
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a needle in a haystack. It's like they may have visited
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at one time but then forgot about us.
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Or it's, it's a whole Ant theory that, you know, we, we don't go
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out and destroy all the ants because it's like, who cares?
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It's insignificant. It's not important.
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But I mean I don't understand why some people just outright
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blanket statement claim aliens don't exist.
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I don't get that. I mean how?
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How can you be so certain? Well, you can't.
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You can't be, especially nowadays.
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I, I think back in the 40s and 50s when people were much more
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rigid about stuff like that. I mean, there was a religious
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element to it. It's like, you know, if, if
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they're aliens, then where's God?
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Why did God create us? And aren't we exclusive?
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You know, human life, human life is, is created by God, can't be
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created elsewhere in other forms.
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You know, that was part of it. And, and I think I know when I
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was a kid and nobody believed in aliens at all except for me, me
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and a few of my buddies, it was, it was more about this weird
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concept that only life can live in an Earth like environment and
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there are no Earth like environments any anywhere else
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in the universe. Universe was much smaller than I
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think at the time scientifically.
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And also there's this there's this idea that always screws it
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up is that if there are aliens, they'll never visit us because
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they're too far away. We know they're not in our solar
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system. Yeah, right.
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Right. Well, you know, the speed of
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light was the ultimate speed. And, you know, the closest
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possibility of alien life is 100 million light years away or
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whatever it was. I don't know, don't quote me.
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And of course, they, they would never be able to visit us
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because they were too far away. But you know, that was before we
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had ideas of like quantum multi universe and reality being made
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up of of thought and all this kind of crazy stuff.
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And you know, I know. Is it rich?
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Who is the guy? Gear, I think is his last name
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or Greer, who's really into this?
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I mean, he did a documentary called something of that.
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I think it's the encounters of the fourth kind or something,
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something like that, where he talks about this, this whole
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light, this idea of, of connecting with whatever this
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is, life form or whatever through thought and through
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consciousness and creating reality by.
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And, you know, and I'm kind of tending more toward that idea.
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I mean, the whole idea of aliens has always historically been
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very materialistic. It's like they fly around in
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spaceships and they, they, they go faster than the speed of
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light, which doesn't make any physical sense.
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But that's the reason why it's rejected, because it doesn't fit
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in the material as paradigm. But aliens as creatures that
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have big eyes that, you know, fly around and fly in saucers
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and whatever, that's a very materialist concept.
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So if if you can't fit it in a material paradigm, then it then
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it doesn't exist if it can't exist within that material
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paradigm. But we're now starting to think
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that maybe it doesn't exist in a material form.
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I mean, it can go in and out because obviously we see them
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and they fly around in these things, you know, but one of the
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things you hear all the time is that they can move from one
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place to the other without any, any time between their
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movements, Stuff like that, which is a non material concept.
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It's a quantum concept of of, you know, space and movement and
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whatnot. Well, so.
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Todd, we are living in a material world and I am a
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Material Girl. Oh boy.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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Or both. Depending on how I'm feeling.
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Yeah, yeah. You've never told me your
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pronouns, so I I don't know. I mean, maybe you're not what
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you appear to be. Exactly.
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It's a mystery you'll never know.
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That's right. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, I mean, it sounds so
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absurd and I'm wondering if this fits into your categorization.
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What did you call it? The contagion of idiocy.
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Just about everything does I, I mean, it's, you know, everything
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we're talking about does I, I think the human psyche or human
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mind, whatever you want to call it, is very flexible, is very
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malleable, moldable into whatever, whatever force is
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being forced on it. And I think in the past and
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maybe the distant past, this is one of the things I grapple with
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is how long has this agenda been operating?
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I think it's recent that it's been as effective as it is now.
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I think that's a recent phenomenon.
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I think in the past, you know, we had smaller groups of people
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that were under the influence of 1 central power, like a monarchy
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or, or you know, the, the king Bubba of a certain primitive
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tribe or whatnot. And I think now we can be very,
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very easily manipulated if anybody takes takes the, the
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initiative to, to manipulate us. And I think that's one of the
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hardest things with the, the, the sheep idea out there is that
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they simply, those groups of people simply refuse to accept
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the fact that they're being manipulated.
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And that what's odd about that is that humans have always been
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manipulated in some form. Looks like I just said, you
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know, whether it be a monarchy or whether it be some large
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larger government over a larger group of people.
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I mean, human beings have always been manipulated by by those
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powers. They haven't been huge groups.
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They've been relatively small compared to an entire planet,
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but they have been. It's a natural tendency for
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humans in power to manipulate humans that are not in power.
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And the sheep people, whatever the majority of people certainly
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in North America and probably Europe as well, just simply
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won't accept that possibility even.
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I mean, they do with Trump, obviously, because Trump has
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hated so much. And that's also a mystery as to
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why, why he's capable of doing all the things and more than
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what we claim the globalist agenda is doing.
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Part of the reason why I think they hate him is because he's a
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nasty guy. He, he's blunt.
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He's, he's, you know, he's ugly. He, he can be a Dick.
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He can be all those things. So it's easy for people to
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project that where you look at somebody like, say, Obama, who
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is like a sweetheart and everybody thought he was such a
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good, decent person. And Biden, the same thing.
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I mean, the Democrats generally bring in people like that and
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and so it's easier to hate this guy, but it's all it's all based
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on nonsense. I mean, it's based on his scowl
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that he had whenever you see him in public making his, he's
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always looking like that. And and people just go, I hate
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him. I hate him.
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You know, I I hate his hair. I hate every word he says.
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You know what not I mean, maybe he is a jerk.
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I mean, in every whatever, but it's just interesting how the
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masses canmore move toward that because of somebody's
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personality. It becomes a personality issue,
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not a policy issue, not, you know, whatever.
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Yeah. But anyway, I'm kind of going
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off on a tangent. Yeah.
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But that's the contagion of idiocy concept that she is
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talking about because it's that. It's that divide and conquer.
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The reason why Democrats and Republicans hate each other is
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because it's manufactured. Yeah, exactly.
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Everything is, it's, it seems I can't really find anything
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that's going on in the world except for just kind of
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inconsequential things that aren't important, that are not
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under the thumb of the globalist agenda.
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And, and some of it could be organic.
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It could not be an intentional thought in anybody or any groups
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particular head, but it just comes about because it's almost
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like an emergent property of the the sum of its of the parts
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become greater in meaning and purpose than than the sum of the
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parts. It it's, you know, like, like
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you get something rolling like with the, the left idea of say
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DI or diversity or whatever, and you get that rolling through
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whatever you do as the agenda, you know, policy or action
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that's taken. And then once it rolls, it takes
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on a life of its own and it starts creating things that was
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never intended, but it's fine because it fits, it fits in the
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agenda, but it wasn't necessarily an agenda focused
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idea. Does that make sense?
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But I do wonder sometimes if this idea of a global agenda is
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overstated. So it is.
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Overstated. Sure it is.
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David Icke, for example, puts everything into a single setting
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point. It's all part of one agenda, and
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ultimately we're part of a simulation.
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I mean, there's no aspect. There's no, what's the word I'm
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looking for? There's no possibility of
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emergence. Everything's by design.
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I I agree with that, that that's like down at the bottom of the,
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of the rabbit hole, the Ike idea.
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And you know, I certainly entertain it.
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I, you know, my belief system is, I mean, it's not unique, but
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it's, it's odd. It's like out there and it fits
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that a little bit, a little bit, I should say.
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It doesn't fit it entirely. But I think in a realistic point
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of view, like a probability, A probable setting there.
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I I mean, like take, you know, just to go back to Trump again,
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you know, there are many people that think he's part of of the
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deep state, part of the global agenda and whatever.
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And the reason why I'm still on the fence with that is because I
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don't think the agenda necessarily has its tentacles
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everywhere in everything that just like you're saying, it's
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like, you know, Ike's position is that everything is, is
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determined. It's, it's part of the, the
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process. There's, there's nothing that
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can escape it. And I'm not at the point yet
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where I believe that this agenda is foolproof, that it's so
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rigidly compacted that there's not a single thing that happens
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that isn't part of its intention.
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And I think Trump is a long shot because I think it is probably
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more likely that he is part of that because he's he's a big
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deal. You know, be very easy to take
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him out like it would anybody if they were not following the
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agenda's agenda. So, you know, you kind of look,
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well, why is he even still there if he isn't part of that
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intention? So I do question it in that in
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that regard. But I also like to think there's
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a possibility. I mean, it kind of it kind of
25:20
goes back again to Orwell in 1984.
25:23
You know, he had the Brotherhood that was supposedly against the
25:27
mainstream agenda in 1984. And it's pretty clear when you
25:33
read the book. Well, it's not really clear, but
25:34
you know that that was also fabricated.
25:38
That was also created by by the whatever the government is the
25:44
the Goldstein thing and you know, I don't know.
25:51
The sort of David Ikean way of viewing things I think is a bit
25:56
lazy because it's it just puts everything into one box and and
26:02
there you go, a neat little package and you put a wrapping
26:04
around it. And if you disagree, then you
26:07
are being duped. Right.
26:11
I've heard that a lot, believe me, but it's.
26:15
Also entirely possible and in my view plausible that let's say
26:19
Trump, since you mentioned him, is certainly on the right side
26:24
of history in many ways. I think he's, I think he's on
26:28
the right side of history when it comes to various culture
26:31
wars, whether it's LGBTQ, transgenderism, climate change,
26:36
even. And it's entirely fine and
26:41
acceptable that because he's a human being, you know, a, a
26:45
complex system, he can also be on the wrong side of history
26:48
with other things like Israel and, and, and COVID and warp
26:54
speed. I mean, he still thinks that
26:55
vaccines are fantastic. And the reason, the reason that
27:00
I think people get caught up in this sort of binary thing the
27:04
whole time is because they don't want to think of the grey.
27:08
They want to think of black or white only.
27:11
It is, I mean, you're, you're nailing a, a huge aspect of
27:15
this. And this is also something that
27:17
has come come into, it's always been there, this idea of, you
27:24
know, you can call the participation mystique, which is
27:27
this idea of just aligning with whatever the major voices out
27:32
there in order to avoid. And, and of course, Jung also
27:36
said there's attention to the opposites, that that where those
27:39
two opposing ideas meet and conflict is really where life
27:44
is. People have a tendency in their
27:48
natural state to to glom onto 1 polarisation just for the
27:57
reasons you said they're they're it's tiresome not to it's and
28:02
you know, that's one of the reasons why I think you and I,
28:05
you know, at least for me, I'll speak for myself that I enjoy
28:10
talking to you because you, you allow for all ideas.
28:15
You don't necessarily agree with them, but you allow for them.
28:18
And I think people used to be more like that.
28:21
And that could be totally wrong because people have always been
28:23
rigid and, and a lot of areas, but it just seems that they're,
28:28
they're, at least in my experience, in my lifetime, when
28:31
I was younger, they're different ideas were allowed to be, I
28:37
mean, most people, there were major majorities that disagree
28:40
with them, but they were allowed to be to, to some degree,
28:43
certainly more than they are now.
28:45
And, and this is, this is where, you know, one of the contagion
28:50
of, of idiocy is, is this idea that you have to be 100% on one
28:56
side or the other in order to feel safe, in order to feel
29:01
there's a difference between those two sides though, because
29:04
this side, our side, if I have to call about sides, is willing
29:09
to listen to the other side. At least that's what I've
29:12
experienced. They're willing to listen to it.
29:14
They make a decision about it. They may not agree with it, but
29:18
they're willing to listen. They don't shut it down.
29:21
They don't censor it. They don't they, you know, and,
29:25
and you hear that on the other side quite a bit.
29:28
It's like, oh, well, he should never even speak.
29:30
That person should be just completely shut up.
29:33
They shouldn't be allowed to say anything because it's dangerous
29:37
and it's this and it's misinformation and all that
29:40
crap. So I went off on a tangent
29:43
again. So sorry, I'm not sure if I was
29:48
focused on exactly what you were saying.
29:51
No, but I, yeah. The idea here is that people
29:57
always, no matter which side of the battle they're on, all into
30:02
the same traps. It's sort of this ideological
30:05
slash tribalism thing which which which ultimately removes
30:11
individual agency. Absolutely.
30:14
And and this is you're, you're precisely pointing at I think is
30:20
one of the biggest problems with what's happening in the world
30:23
now. And certainly on a personal
30:25
level, but even on a, on a larger level, I, I know I have
30:29
lost lifelong friends who have completely dissed me.
30:35
Like, I mean, I had, I think I probably said this on your show
30:39
that I had two friends that I knew in college was that one of
30:43
them was my roommate and the other was just a very close
30:45
friend who literally said in the middle of the COVID thing, I
30:48
hope you get COVID and die. They literally said that to me.
30:52
And I recently had my composition teacher that I've
30:57
known for, you know, forever, 50 years, however long it's been
31:02
who I tried to get together with him for lunch when I went back
31:05
to end of Virginia, which I do every time I go.
31:08
And he's a hardcore liberal. And he wrote to me and he said,
31:12
no, I don't think it's a good idea that we get together
31:14
because we have such serious differences.
31:17
And I'm like going, you know, it isn't like we're in Nazi Germany
31:21
and I'm wearing a swastika or something.
31:23
And even then, it's like you don't you don't lose family and
31:27
friends over political views or whatever it might be.
31:30
But all this has been spun into this, well, if you didn't get
31:33
vaccinated means you're a selfish, hateful, ugly person.
31:36
And I don't want to have anything to do with you or
31:38
whatever. If you voted for Trump, you
31:40
know, back in the day, you know, you could be a Republican or a
31:44
Democrat. It's like people would joke with
31:47
you and they would like say, oh, yeah, you don't know what you're
31:49
talking about. Or, you know, that's really
31:51
stupid. You support that idiot and
31:53
whatever. But people didn't lose those
31:56
kinds of deep friendships over stuff like that.
31:59
And I don't, I don't care if if this guy is a super liberal,
32:06
doesn't, I mean, I'm interested in listening to what he has to
32:09
say. It's like, yeah, so.
32:12
Yeah, I'm the same. I mean, I'm not afraid of of any
32:15
idea. I'm not afraid of talking to
32:16
anybody. And obviously, yeah, I mean,
32:20
I've had some of the best conversations with self
32:23
proclaimed communists. Where is it?
32:25
If you had asked me 10 years ago, I would have not done that.
32:28
And yet if you aim to to find common ground and break apart
32:33
ideology and and sort of dogma, you actually can get on with
32:38
most people. But as you say, the contagion of
32:41
idiocy is designed not to allow for that.
32:46
Right, right. See, you know, there's a,
32:48
there's a fundamental, there's a fundamental thing like, like if
32:53
you knew somebody who is literally a serial killer or a
32:56
serial rapist or a paedophile. I'll still talk to them.
33:00
You might still talk to them, but you might not be close buddy
33:05
friends with them. You might not be.
33:07
Not saying they're not, they're not capable of seeing the
33:11
divine. I mean, their fundamental value
33:13
as a human being is, is essentially divine.
33:16
It's Christ conscious. And if you can see through the
33:21
junk, because all that, you know, paedophilia, murder,
33:25
murder or whatever, that's all junk that's added to you.
33:29
It's not your basic self. And lots of people like to think
33:33
it is, but it isn't. And that you basically come out
33:37
of the box, You know, I've never seen a baby come out of a, a
33:40
woman's body. It is a woman, by the way, that
33:43
a woman's body that that you know is a, is a.
33:55
I'm glad you got to use that. Yeah, but anyway, the the point
33:58
I'm making you don't see a baby that's that's just born be a
34:02
serial killer that they they might have brain damage that
34:06
causes that later, but that's still in addition, that's a
34:09
material physiological aberration that yes, it has to
34:15
be accounted for. I understand that, but the, the
34:18
soul, the the soul exists within a a living body and if the body
34:24
is damaged, it may go in certain directions that the soul would
34:28
not be aligned with and be tuned into.
34:33
But still, everybody is forgivable.
34:35
You know that the whole Christ idea.
34:38
And but anyway, what I was going to say a second ago when you
34:42
were talking about that I forgot is that I, and I think, I think
34:46
we're on on in alignment with this, is that I think, I think
34:50
things are, I think life in general is complex enough that,
34:57
that there are anomalies, that there are always things that are
35:01
outliers that are off the, the grid.
35:04
And therefore this agenda idea cannot be so powerful or so all
35:09
encompassing that there isn't things within that system that
35:16
is not in alignment with the agenda, with with the thought of
35:20
the system. And if you believe in God, you
35:22
have to believe that. You have to believe that the
35:25
devil is not all powerful, that the devil or evil or whatever
35:30
you want to call it is. There will be a way, there will
35:34
be something in there that doesn't align with the evil that
35:39
can breakthrough it. And so you have to have hope in
35:44
that. And when you see it manifest
35:46
here and there, like let's say something that Trump is doing
35:48
just as an example that you think is positive and not in
35:52
alignment with the agenda, you, you have to look at that and
35:55
say, OK, well, there, there it is.
35:59
It may not be him, it could be anything, but there is hope to,
36:03
to put it that way. You know, at a fundamental
36:06
level, we and you know, again, you could, you could go down to
36:12
this kind of divine idea that at the fundamental level in, in my
36:18
belief of, of human existence is good.
36:23
You know, that anything that's bad that we would consider bad
36:27
on a not, not even a, not even a rigid polar bad, OK,
36:32
polarisation bad because you really can't identify that.
36:35
That's like trying to identify morality and you know, if, if,
36:41
if you're needing to survive and you have children, you're,
36:45
you're going to do things that are considered bad to keep your
36:48
children alive. And you know, what's what's good
36:52
for the snake is bad for the mouse.
36:55
It's like, you know what, there, we've, we've got that, that
36:58
thing going. We can't, we can't ignore that.
37:01
But on a very fundamental level, human beings out of the box at
37:06
their fundamental level are good and they're altruistic, they're
37:10
caring, they're empathic. And I think that's a level.
37:14
I think that's a level you're talking about is that we get
37:17
along at that level when we start adding stuff to it, like
37:21
where's the best place to go fishing?
37:24
And there's an argument about that and people get heated and
37:29
whatever, and maybe they'll be a faction of people that go to one
37:31
place and one go to the other. I mean, that's a really
37:33
simplistic kind of at a very base level of differences.
37:37
But then as they go higher and higher and higher, then you get
37:40
into these these inhuman ways of polarising, which that's where I
37:46
go to the manipulation that everything we're seeing.
37:50
I didn't used to think this until the COVID thing, that
37:53
everything that we're really seeing that seems inhuman, like
37:58
this idea of, of losing friends and family because you voted for
38:02
Trump or whatever it might be is, is a manipulation of the
38:06
agenda. It's manipulating natural
38:09
organic psyche, psyche, archetypal presentation.
38:17
It's manipulating that and it's taking advantage of things like
38:22
the tribal instinct or, you know, the thing we were talking
38:26
about earlier about not wanting to be in the grey because it's
38:29
uncomfortable or this idea of denial of that we first started
38:34
talking about with, you know, the fear, the fear element of
38:38
creating something under the bed.
38:41
And to say don't hang your your arm over the bed because what's
38:44
under it will get you. And it's like, don't walk around
38:48
without a mask or don't go to your, your grandmother's dying
38:52
days in the hospital because you'll get this thing that will
38:56
kill you. And you know, we're basically
39:00
from a non spiritual perspective, we're terrified of,
39:03
of losing our life. Our life is the end all.
39:06
It's everything. And I think when you, when you
39:09
find God, and I don't mean that lightly, but when you really
39:13
understand and are aware of what is real and what's truthful, you
39:17
know, what's the line from Course in Miracles?
39:19
Is, is nothing unreal exists? You know nothing real can be
39:24
threatened and nothing unreal exists.
39:27
Therein lies the peace of God. If you really think about those
39:30
two first lines, it's like nothing unreal, nothing real can
39:35
be threatened. So your life can't be, your body
39:38
can't be threatened. Your whatever, your soul is the
39:41
only thing that's real. Everything material around us,
39:44
we make up and that can't be threatened.
39:47
So if if we're in that state of mind and believe that sure, we
39:52
want to stay alive, we want our body to function and not go
39:55
through pain and certainly loss. We don't want to die.
39:59
But when that's the only thing that matters to us, we're going
40:05
to fall into this, into this agenda power that agenda has
40:11
over us to be able to say, well, if you don't wear a mask, you're
40:14
going to die. And, and it doesn't matter that
40:19
wearing a mask takes away your human quality.
40:22
It takes away your way of communicating with other beings.
40:26
It takes away I, I mean, endless humanitarian things, things that
40:31
make you a human. Yeah.
40:32
OK. We're, we're convinced that if
40:35
we don't wear one, we'll die, which also is not true.
40:38
That's that's a manipulation of fabrication.
40:41
But let's say it was true. It's, it's like, do we give up
40:45
our, our humanness in order to physically survive?
40:50
And I mean, I could tell you a million stories that, that focus
40:53
on that theme, the idea of, you know, murdering people or I
40:59
mean, any number of things in order to physically survive.
41:04
No, we, we don't. We, we have morals about things
41:07
like that that are internal within us.
41:09
And we will not step out of our humanity in order to save our
41:13
bodies and save our life. The people are starting to do
41:17
that and they're doing it because they're being
41:21
manipulated to do it. Because we're humans and, and we
41:24
don't believe, for the most part, most people don't believe
41:27
in a higher power. They don't, they don't believe
41:30
they're not in alignment with source.
41:33
They believe that anything can be threatened, that everything
41:36
is real, that's physical and everything then can be
41:39
threatened. So it's a secular society,
41:45
culture, human culture. And I think that's that's the
41:49
core of the problem. I don't know who said this, but
41:52
I read it online. Someone said simulation theory
41:55
is the unbelievers. God.
41:57
I mean, it's it's a great point because basically no matter
42:02
where you fit into all of this, you still believe in something,
42:07
whether you're a Christian and you believe in God or you are, I
42:11
don't know, a polytheist and you believe in multiple gods or you
42:16
are David. I Can you believe in everything
42:18
being a simulation, which implies that there is a creator
42:23
of the simulation. Atheists can explain, explain
42:27
the, the crucial, the critical things.
42:30
They, they can't, they just, they'll just say things like,
42:33
well, it's just, it just is, you know it.
42:35
Just is. It's a Big Bang and you know
42:37
everything. Everything started from nothing
42:39
or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
42:41
And it's just as equally absurd then as simulation theory or God
42:47
or gods. The point is, is that we're
42:50
effectively all the same well. When you're talking.
42:55
When you're talking about. Yeah, there's some sort of
42:58
search for higher meaning. That's what I'm getting at.
43:01
Yeah, I mean when you're talking, when, when you when you
43:05
focus on materiality as as reality, the physical world as
43:10
reality, then it's very easy to to go into these kinds of ideas
43:15
that there's no God, there's no higher power or whatever you
43:19
want to call it. But materiality isn't, isn't the
43:25
the end all it, it isn't even really that important.
43:30
I mean, that's why you can say it's all simulated and go, well,
43:33
who cares if it's all simulated like, like what's simulating it?
43:38
Like you said it a minute ago. And I, I don't know enough about
43:41
that theory to make to make comments on it.
43:43
I think it's all simulated in the sense that it's all created
43:46
through consciousness. It's all created through,
43:49
through mind and the mind of God.
43:52
Whatever words you want to use. I, I mean, a lot of people don't
43:55
believe that. So I'm not flipping it off and
43:58
just saying, but, but yeah, I mean, it, it, it makes the most
44:04
sense. I mean, I've studied this, this
44:06
stuff for a long time. I'm not an expert on anything,
44:09
but I, I certainly have grappled with all of these ideas, the
44:13
ideas of, of the different forms of God.
44:16
You know, what the different religions believe God is going
44:19
all the way back to the old days where they thought God was a
44:22
human form that sat on a throne up in the sky.
44:26
You know, and, and also the atheist idea.
44:29
It's like, I've read so much about intelligent design and
44:34
this this idea that everything just comes from nothing.
44:37
And I always find that argument to be so weak.
44:41
They they don't go into a deeper, A deeper way.
44:44
Now, they of course think the argument that that some thing,
44:48
it's not a thing, but whatever God is, some created everything.
44:52
Yeah, created everything. They find that as ludicrous is
44:55
it coming from nothing. But in a way, it's the same.
44:59
It's the same thing because God isn't a thing.
45:02
There's no material element to whatever this is, whatever you
45:05
want to call it. And it just makes more sense
45:10
when it, when it gets put together.
45:12
This is another point I want to make and I'd be very curious to
45:15
know what you think about this. It's like I've, I have my sub
45:17
stack. I, I have lots of people there
45:21
and I talked to a lot of people. I have a lot of clients.
45:24
I have not yet found somebody who is on our side of the fence
45:29
with all of this that does not believe in God, that does not
45:33
have some spiritual religious, whatever.
45:38
I mean, they don't necessarily have to.
45:39
They can be Buddhists. They whatever people that that
45:42
don't believe the material is all there is and it's all
45:46
arbitrary that actually believe that there's something more to
45:49
this. I haven't met somebody that
45:53
doesn't believe that, that I'm sure there are.
45:56
I mean, there's always outliers and, and every bell curve.
45:59
And conversely, most of the people that I know that are hard
46:05
left or whatever, whatever, whatever category we want to put
46:09
them in, don't believe. And if they claim they do, they
46:15
really don't, you can just, you know, ask a couple of key
46:20
questions and, and you can see that they're just saying they
46:25
do, but they, they really don't trust in anything.
46:28
They, they don't put any kind of weight or meaning in something
46:33
metaphysical. It's all, it's all in the
46:36
physical reality. And that makes sense because I
46:39
think that that people like that are more likely to project
46:43
authority onto other people, like a government or a health,
46:49
you know, a Fauci or whatever they're, they're more likely to
46:53
say, well, he knows everything that we need to know.
46:57
Rather than say, this doesn't make sense from a, from a more
47:02
divine perspective, It doesn't make sense that we're all going
47:07
to be wiped out by some pathogen or something.
47:10
It just doesn't, doesn't fit, Although that does fit, but, but
47:15
not created by the government, not created by what?
47:20
Whatever. I mean, I'm, I'm going too deep
47:22
into this and I, I'd, I'd have to talk for a long time to try
47:26
to explain it and I still wouldn't explain it.
47:29
But but anyway, I think, do you, do you resonate with that at
47:34
all? Yes.
47:36
I was going to say, though, that I don't entirely have the same
47:41
experience, but I have engaged with a number of folks on quote
47:46
unquote, our side who don't believe anything.
47:51
They'll say, oh, but Christianity or God is a psyop.
47:53
You know, how can you see all these other things as psyops?
47:57
But you've got a blind spot here.
48:00
You're such a no, I can see that.
48:02
And and I can see that, but but circling back to what you were
48:07
talking about earlier, those same people ultimately do also
48:12
believe in something. They'll say source or God bless
48:17
them if they say, you know, there's nothing because then
48:21
we're back to that sort of atheist conundrum, which which
48:23
then? Is just which is.
48:25
In my view is just completely nihilistic and empty because
48:30
I've, I've, I've always argued believe in something just, you
48:32
know, it gives, it's part of the natural human condition for
48:37
thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
48:40
What it separates us from animals.
48:42
You know, we're not, we're not sheep, literally we're not, you
48:45
know, elephants or giraffes do they don't have any sense of
48:49
self awareness. It's that sense of self
48:51
awareness that makes us wonder why we are here and where that
48:56
purpose and meaning originates. No, actually, I think that was
49:00
pretty brilliant. I you know, I really, I really
49:05
like that because it's it's a natural organic emergence from
49:10
from humans because we're different to to go what's going
49:15
on here? What is this?
49:17
And I think in the early days of of human hood, we came up with
49:23
very simplistic ideas about what this could be like the guy in
49:28
the throne on the cloud. And then as time has gone on,
49:32
we've either rejected, we've thrown the baby out with the
49:35
bathwater and just said, well, it's not that.
49:37
We know that for sure. We've been up there and we never
49:39
found him. So to hell with that.
49:41
It's not true. And I think that's where the
49:43
atheist people kind of go. And then there's a more
49:47
sophisticated way of looking at it.
49:49
And sure, you could, you could say, you could analyse the idea
49:54
of say, Christianity and or any of the organised religions and
49:59
say they were a psyop. I mean, who is, who is running
50:03
it? I'd be curious to know.
50:05
I mean, those those traditions have been around a long time and
50:08
they're based, I think, on fundamental truths.
50:12
You know, you may not believe that Jesus actually physically
50:15
existed. You may not believe that, but
50:17
certainly what he's a true, what's attributed to Jesus are
50:20
very universal truths that, yeah, that you can identify them
50:26
further back in a, in like ancient Egyptian ideas and
50:31
cosmology and whatever. But it's not like what Jesus
50:36
preached was, I mean, it was unique because it was him and it
50:40
was centralised into one ministry basically.
50:43
But it's still, you know, it's like ultimately the same idea of
50:48
what humans are and what they're capable of and what God is and
50:52
blah, blah, blah. So organised religion, sure,
50:55
there's a lot of problems with with those ideas.
50:59
They've had a shitty history. A lot of them have a
51:02
Christianity, Christianity, Christianity certainly has had a
51:09
strange history with with corruption and blah blah, blah.
51:13
But the ultimate idea is is that this isn't arbitrary.
51:17
This isn't the end all that there's.
51:19
There's something else going on that is significant and
51:23
prominent and the most important element of this physical
51:27
experience that that we're experiencing.
51:30
We don't know the answers to it, but you know, and, and yes, I
51:35
mean, I will go back and say, OK, let's say 90% of the people
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on quote, our side of the fence are spiritual in some way.
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That doesn't necessarily, I mean, you can interpret that the
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other way around. You could like say, well, that's
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the reason why we fall for this nonsense that that the
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government is, is, is out to get us and all this crap.
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And because we have that that other thing we look at that's
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beyond human control and that could be a fault that that maybe
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we don't see the truth as the physical truth as readily as
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people that don't believe in in a God or whatever.
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I would say that believing in nothing is quite artificial
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because it goes against the human condition.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree.
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I, I wrote an article, I don't know if it's published yet.
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I think it is. It's like from it's like bottom,
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bottom up as opposed to top down.
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And, and that's really, and I don't think it is published yet
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actually, but that that is, that's essentially what that
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article is about. It's this idea of, of solving
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problems like the drug problem or, or you know, whatever my, I
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mean, even things like climate issues or whatever, solving them
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from the top down. And yes, sometimes if it's
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purely a material issue, top down work can have impact and
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have a fact. But really, to change the world
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into a better place, to use those really broad terms, it has
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to be bottom up. It has to be about character and
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about raising children who understand the difference
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between right and wrong from a from a more metaphysical
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perspective than just what is better for them physically.
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You know, I think that's where we're going.
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It's like, well, what's right and what's wrong is what makes
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me better, what makes me feel better, what makes me happier,
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what makes me feel high. And it doesn't matter what other
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people that they don't matter. And it's not, it's not a, a
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moral issue per SE. It's more of a what's best for
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this body, what's best for my longevity, what's best for, you
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know, give me the shot, you know, put a chip in my brain.
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What whatever is better for me because then I could live
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forever or why anybody wants to live forever.
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It always astounds me. I think the reason why people
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want to live forever is because just because they want to avoid
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death, it's not that they want to live forever, they just don't
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want to die. And that's not a good reason to
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want to live forever. There's a downside.
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If you were to summarise the contagion of idiocy, how would
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you do it? I think I'd summarise it and,
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and I guess one word would be manipulation.
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I, I think the contagion of, of idiocy, I think any contagion
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for humans is tribal. And I think it, it goes back to,
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to very tribal elements which are very primitive and they're
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not really bad. I mean, they can be, there's a
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lot of people on the earth which there shouldn't, there shouldn't
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be. I mean, it shouldn't be 500
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million, but the, you know, we're used to tribal, tribal
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existence, which is a small number of people.
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There's so many people, it's very easy to get lost and very
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easy to lose contact and to feel isolated.
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But the problem with the idiocy part, the idiocy part of it is
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that it's intentional from, from it's a manipulative tool by
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people in power that want to have control.
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And so they put into, they put the contagion into the culture,
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like the whole trans thing or whatever it might be.
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They put it in the, the fear of, of the COVID thing.
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They put it into the culture and they take advantage of a natural
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tendency to side and to follow the whatever and, and they
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manipulate that. So that's where the idiocy
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idiocy comes in. It's it's that people are not
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naturally idiots, I don't think. I think they're trained to be.
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And this is something I talks about all the time with this
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indoctrination, this educational indoctrination.
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Don't think, don't critically think, don't be curious.
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Think out of the box, which is essentially out of the tribe.
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And you can do that. The only time tribal stuff is
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dangerous is when another tribe tries to take that tribe's food
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or whatever. That's that's when the tribal
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idea becomes dangerous. Tribes don't go out there and
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want to kill each other just for the hell of it there.
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There are reasons why they do, and that's manipulation to give
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it a reason, to give a reason to be hard left or hard right.
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And that becomes the idiot part of it because we are idiots.
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As far as being manipulated, we can very easily be manipulated.
56:54
Todd, how can audience follow you?
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Go to shrewviews.com, www.shrew views, the little animal views
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like and join up. I have some free articles there
57:07
every week or every couple of weeks and I do two articles a
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week. So and the community is really
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what you want there. I mean, there's some great
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people that we chat, we talk, we go back and forth and we're
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going to soon be doing a Zoom thing every week.
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So it's fun. Todd Ayan, thank you for joining
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me in the trenches.