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Construcción Plural - Programa 1157 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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  Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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  season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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  Listen to him on radio train Topicu President, he would have been born in
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  Argentina. Dr Gabriero Mireyu, I' m presiding over you all. There
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  is no stabilization plan, not good, but the delay to change. There
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  ' s a foreign exchange problem here. It is impossible to achieve the zero
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  deficit in the twenty- four thousand. Good. It' s very little
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  speck. Raya is a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal.
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  There were taxes on the potion. No, but if I go up
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  one plus three hundred sixty- five times and give me three sixty s it
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  can' t. If there' s no video and there' s no
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  one who invited me to be Fede t Fideo Cotuko. They want to know
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  how the economy is going to grow, it' s going to go up
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  like a diver' s fart. But there' s no and clos.
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  Well, because there' s no comprehensive plan. But you should set the
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  path. This is not a liberal government because it did not release the drug.
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  Not because there is an appreciation changed And there is appreciation change but good
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  freedom expensive how about, my friends, we put good afternoon a new start
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  of week in plural construction, to which we are a prosecutor denounces Alberto Fernández
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  for the disproportionate increase of pensions, for invalidity juiso to but it throws the
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  error of your human. He didn' t want to speak and the verdict
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  will be heard at 20 hours. Well, local friborists warned by the brute
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  that there is in the consumption of blue meat rising in one thousand three hundred
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  and five. Overtakes the thousand- three hundred barrier. In news risk you
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  can go down a little bit to a thousand three hundred eighty- two.
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  And I quickly get going with Don Daniel Kipper, who isn' t expected
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  on lines Daniel, Good afternoon, how he' s doing. I got
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  it, Daniel, Daniel' s mutated, uh, I got it a
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  lot, Daniel, hey, how you doing, Fernando. Good afternoon,
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  good afternoon, hi, hi, na, daniel, yeah, there I
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  am, there we hear you notice how you are. Well, I'
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  m fine. Okay. Well, I hear proto good, good to see
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  during quinerism and this also taxed on getting to my law on the street.
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  It was a little bit in vivira Pepa let herself do everything and we leave
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  a little bit of this other extremes, where some of us worry about an
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  effect no longer dis bearorio, but too repressive. Prosecutor Estornelli wrote in recent
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  days that the object of the proceedings is to denounce the detentions of what the
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  Government calls terrorists in the face of a golo attempt at the coup d'
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  état. According to Estorno, the one that lay in the set of actions
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  and behaviors was a case in a possible organized form, aimed at inciting collective
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  violence against institutions, to impose their ideas or to fight others by force,
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  instilling a public fear and provoking tumults or disorders, while directing it to be
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  a possible uprising against the constitutional order and democratic life. We went from one
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  end to the other to see what Daniel really heard It is unusual about Estornelli,
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  because obviously none of those circumstances have occurred in Argentina. I can understand
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  that the President misuses the term terrorism, because he is not a jurist and
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  does not know the basic or minimum elements required to speak of terrorism. But
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  in the D A' s case, he' s Tornelli, he'
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  s a jurist. It is a prosecutor who has his hands on the life
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  and freedom of the citizens and cannot incur such glossies. It would be that
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  they remind us of past times, because in the 1970s, the justification for
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  what we have later called State terrorism, which involved violence, torture, deaths
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  and the disappearance of persons, was precisely attributable to certain groups terrorist activities.
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  Tender what damage? Can we? It may coincide that there was a violent
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  group, but it is very different what we saw the other day in Congress
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  Square, where the people exercised a constitutional right, which is the right to
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  demonstrate, to petition the authorities. It was done and done. If there
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  were individual overflows, obviously and crimes are promised within the framework of those individual
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  borders, they must be analyzed, tried and eventually convicted. But within the
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  framework of the gravity of each of these behaviors, burning a wheel of a
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  car, throwing a stone is not terrorist behavior. They' re a long
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  way from it. They can be burning a wheel or burning a car.
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  Sorry, both behaviors. Burning a wheel clearly does not constitute terrorist conduct.
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  What are the precautions that a conduct must have in order to be qualified and
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  such there is no uniform definition on the subject. The authors tend to give
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  different criteria, but in the United Nations, through the resolución 1, 500
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  sixty- six of the year two thousand four, they basically demand that at
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  least three elements be involved. On the one hand, the conduct is intended
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  to cause death or serious bodily injury or to take hostages. I don'
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  t think that happened the other day in Congress Square, in front of the
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  public demonstration, then provoke a state of terror in the general population. Nor
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  does it give me the feeling that a stone- thrower would like to provoke
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  a state of general terror. And after these acts constitute acts defined in international
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  conventions and protocols as terrorist acts. Nor is this situation in what we saw
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  the other day in the Plaza de Mayo. Burning a rubber is a misdemeanor,
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  the crime of harm to the extent that the rubber is alien, to
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  the extent that it is its own, because one has the power to destroy
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  one' s own property. To think that this is to incite violence implies
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  not knowing what the verb in quoting means in the behaviors that are required by
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  the subject to talk about being incited to violence, basically quotations put in the
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  head of the other. The idea of performing a certain conduct is a kind
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  of instigation and, obviously, one' s conduct, even if it is
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  imitated or emulated by others themselves, is not incitement. So I really don
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  ' t understand how the prosecutor is Tornelli uses those terms and I' m
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  worried because it seems like the end of the rule of law what we'
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  re seeing, where we want to abuse legislation to qualify many acts as terrorists
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  and thus prevent people from engaging in their thinking. It is precisely all this
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  that the policy given to it by the land seeks the most and is discouraging
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  social protest. I can' t basically read you to see if I can
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  find him. Please, a report by United Nations experts that says that they
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  are an attempt to remove the actors of civil society and damage the civic space
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  in Venezuela, that is, when the United Nations judges the conduct of the
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  Venezuelan authorities, justly critical of this kind of legal argument to silence the opposition
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  and one of the arguments that had Miley in campaign was that the other candidate,
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  Sergio Maza, led us to venerate like Venezuela. Looks like we'
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  re becoming Venezuela. As the United Nations experts say. Then I read it
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  with great concern this Tornelia said. In addition, the prosecutor has to accuse
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  him of imputing conduct on the basis of evidence and individual conduct. He can
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  ' t generalize behaviors like he has, that is, if you and I
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  go on the march and there' s a third person who incites violence,
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  the third person is responsible. You and I were spectators, but we don
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  ' t take part and can' t charge us with any conduct. And
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  here' s a man who sold empanadas. I don' t know about
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  biological cartarism, maybe because of the quality of empanadas. He wants to impute
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  to him the friend Stornelli, but it is obvious that here there was no
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  element that can near the quiquia with technology and affirmations and more are said and
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  even face, but so difficult is to grasp those who, for example,
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  the worst, apparently or so, was the fire the author. So hard
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  to grab that bone that they showed the car that sprayed apparently naphtha. So
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  difficult you notice that of these subjects there are photographs in the foreground, at
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  least I have seen debris and then apparently they took a car with the patent
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  turns and some talk about that they would be use hypotero, the hypothetical potential
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  intelligence service of the federal or but if the whole procedure is wrong, wrong,
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  problem, ill thought or thought for different purposes to the common good,
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  Because if it is a constitutional right to manifest and protest, what the police
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  operation has to do is to ensure that the citizens can express themselves, that
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  they can march in bread. Patricia Bon Rit' s Protocol ends up causing
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  what she says she wants to avoid, which is the cut of silence,
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  because she already mounts a police operation in advance. There was an army of
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  police, there were tankers that were throwing water jets, they were collecting crimogens,
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  and all that operation isolated the area. It is caused that one could
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  not circulate in the area, so that if what the excuse is to allow
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  people to circulate, the police themselves, the authority itself, which is limiting
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  the movement and instead of guaranteeing the right of the citizen to express himself,
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  represses him and represses him in the worst way, which is with violence.
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  And this can also be constitutive of one or more crimes, because in the
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  police force it cannot abuse force, it cannot strike, because, that is
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  to say, these are issues that surely various human rights bodies are going to
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  bring to justice in the coming days and I am even concerned that I act
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  also by the judge, because in criminal matters, first I stop you and
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  then I investigate you to see if there is reason to leave you detained calmly.
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  I could have ordered the release of all detainees, by taking their data,
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  possibly by sleeping the polka dots phones to see if there were any evidence
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  that they were furguing from these cell phones, having them identified, investigating them,
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  and, once the investigation concludes, if there are elements of charge,
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  ordering them to be remanded in custody. But what has been done is first
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  I stop you, then I find out how you justified your detention. And
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  this is the end of the rule of law. We' re all under
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  suspicion of maintaining this kind of operation. Okay, well, it' s
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  a little more worried about what I came in and I see it' s
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  really hard, but it' s perfect. But the truth is that one
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  comes out more listening to you, who are also specialists in matter, comes
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  out more worried than what came in. No, the truth is there'
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  s going to be a march and in the afternoon, even to make you
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  see a clear differentiation, not violence, we don' t all repudiate it
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  in some sense. It was the government' s turn, in this case,
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  that of Millay, to say civilization or barbarism, and figure that accused
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  the government of Milay. But it is necessary to detect to those who,
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  effectively in flagrante or committed with the videos the facts of having any mansalva,
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  as you say, then also not giving him the possibility to release, because
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  they will not enter to seem the process, nor one thinks that they can
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  escape, etcetera, etcetera. Personally, I support that freedom must always be
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  granted, except for very exceptional cases, however, of a process, because
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  it is a constitutional right. Article 18 is clear. No one may be
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  deprived of his liberty without prior trial and conviction. Here he deprives him of
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  the liberty of the citizen without conviction and this, for our constitutional text,
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  is inadmissible. There was a section of the doctrine that, in order to
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  overcome this constitutional limit, invented the danger of escape or altering the evidence.
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  But the danger of escape and alteration of evidence should first be limited, because
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  the judge can quickly gather all the evidence he needs. And in the case
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  of the escape, there are different mechanisms, from an electronic anklet to a
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  man- to- man police marking, as is done in the phone,
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  if you want to not restrict the personal freedom of a citizen. Until now,
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  there was no conviction. But even under this last lens I criticize for
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  accepting the deprivation of the liberty of an unconvicted person. Only these two issues
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  are admitted and it is clear that the evidence here was easy to collect,
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  because it was full of footage everywhere, there were all the television channels,
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  of all the independent political media trends. I mean, it was very easy
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  to have the proof. Kidnapping each other' s phones was very simple.
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  They even ordered a straight line in the house. If the judge understood it
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  convenient, it could also be done and nothing justifies a prolonged detention of these
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  people, beyond the fact that today he was listening on television with concern of
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  detainees who attributed that the police said we placed stones inside the bag to record
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  their procedural situation that was given this discussion that in the framework of their detention
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  they were subjected to mantralancos. That is to say, this is worrying because
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  it takes us to a time that we intended to overcome. In Argentina,
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  he had a time of violence, which left many wounded dead and we thought
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  we had reached a more rational stage of political debate. Let' s hope
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  we don' t go back to those times. Well, Daniel, thank
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  you very much. As always a great taste, a taste Fernando and thank
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  you very much, Daniel Kepper, our specialist in legal matters criminal mantera here
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  under construction prubal, with this worrying fact. Obviously, these arrests are apparently
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  the majority. I don' t know if they' re all unjustified.
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  Well we go from legal analysis to political analysis of the good we have to
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  friend Carlos Fara, some friend is talking to me about cumshot. I don
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  ' t know what you want me to tell you today The lu is in
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  a thousand three hundred five. It goes up almost two pesos when someone told
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  me, but what ran if I counted Liquiy Baja at zero to fifty-
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  five and is under the lulue is in one thousand two sixty- four.
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  The light' s on top of everything. I' m told that there
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  ' s a good thing, that it' s a perio topic, that
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  yesterday there was a holiday here in the United States, that there were threepol
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  with Liki, but then, that' s why today it goes down a
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  little bit. But it got on him. Well the risk country between these
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  thousand three hundred eighty- three casualties zero twenty- two. Well, I
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  had him, as Carlos Palaya told them, online, Carlos. Good to
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  be in my friend, how' s it going, how' s it
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  going, how' s it going. But good afternoon well, you are,
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  as Miss Law, not passing by for a few days. It is
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  not so holy, because the President is leaving again on Friday, arrived in
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  Europe and leaves the following week. It' s a good thing he says
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  he doesn' t like to travel the man. Not because he' s
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  not like you in that. You seem to me like as I' m
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  going to say we love to travel, but yes, our trips go cheaper.
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  It' s not also true, yes, quite good to see Carlos.
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  We' re going to play the game of political and journalistic extremes.
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  We went from the worst week with the average sanction to the issue of retirement
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  mobility to the best with the subject of finally missing Members, but well,
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  then you will have. You have to see the small letter, but now
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  to consecrate in fifteen to twenty days, law and has its first law.
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  That which you well call one of your columns without law this millay the inflation
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  that you continue to settle although it could, although it will surely rise in
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  June and after July we will see the agreement with the Fund. It'
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  s a bit minimal, especially soft with China. It is important, I
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  say when you, I say records as an analyst, when you hear this,
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  we go from the worst week or weak law, bad from petovelo to
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  the best week, which has been exaggerated in political and journalistic environments. How
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  you read it let' s say it reasonably or evenly. It does not
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  seem to me that last week was the best week. Because, well,
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  first, there were a lot of things that were important to the government,
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  but particularly because let' s say good to get approval in the Senate,
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  beyond what the final text is. Well, it was a mountain coming up
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  that we talked about. We assumed that, indeed, the Government was going
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  to achieve some kind of law, albeit moderate, and that, well,
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  now if that was on the board it had to unpack channel on the one
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  hand. We don' t know. We didn' t know if they
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  were going to give the confluence of good news, that this is inflation too
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  much and more the Monetary Fund plus the anus price lor soap at that time,
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  yes, if the TimYes, yes, he did as well. But
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  good or what happened I tell you that he did nothing but this one.
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  Let' s say this deepen the feeling of the best week considering. Let
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  ' s say besides, we were basically turning around about six months, the
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  six months of management. Yeah, good, good. And now when,
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  in two weeks or so, you who understand this manage much better than I
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  do the parliamentary dynamics in two weeks or so. Not to see first that
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  it will come out base in principle, that we will have to see that
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  it comes out, that it comes out. But I say how long in
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  the Senate you' re going to become a law that you' re theoretically
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  going to put Millay in and you' re going to tell me if you
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  ' re really going to eat that unpopular event, because there' s a
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  pa, the subject, a subject that' s very unpopular. Not messing
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  with education, I get attached to the retired Cristina see eighty- two percent,
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  which was much more in budgetary matters. But I say and we would
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  say in two weeks, or it will be after the basic law, when
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  the Senate becomes the leil of mobility and eventually look at what we will say
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  if they advance on the also educational issue that is the budget of having to
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  taste in Congress by the opposition, how what reading will have to be done
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  at that time. Now he made two goals, he made three goals,
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  but he got another one. With what it' ll be like then.
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  Yeah. I believe that this is a party that is going to be very
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  hand in hand, very much to Pablo all the time, even if it
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  is not for the fact that the President is the parliamentaryly weaker president in the
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  last forty years that, on the one hand, then, well, I
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  say independently of the fact that the situation to which he gave retirement, which,
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  as you well say, is a popular issue, is not only a
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  popular issue, but that, moreover and we are governed by the level of
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  approval that he had in the Chamber of Deputies, reached the two points.
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  This means, according to the Constitution, that if the law is passed and
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  the beta President, Congress can exist with two- thirds in both chambers and
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  then the law is passed yet and the President can no longer veto. Let
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  ' s get you interrupted. Step, step that I repeat and it is
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  true not for flattering you handle much better than I legislative dynamics. First we
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  will deal with bases and then, if he will be in principle, then,
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  if the bosom that is going to be the sixty deputies, or it
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  can be in the middle, it can be before the Senate. Discarding that
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  it turns into law retirement difference, this mobility, this new formula, gives
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  me as the impression that first will come out base law and only after it
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  will be updated retirement, even if it is not more because of the issue
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  that enters Commission, it is discussed, it is expected a week before they
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  enter. I' m also still in my account and you correcting me or
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  ratifying my law You' re sure I say believe that beta or it'
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  s like so much belé that throws and then sees pragmatism, sees how good
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  or beta and says good as well. But I' m going to increase
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  them just as much as you are your night. Sometimes I' m going
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  to increase them by three, four, or vetoing just seems too much,
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  or you don' t think they' re even going to veto, because
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  you know what you can eat the dance that you said to ratify it and
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  that says it like I made a much stronger defeat. No, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no. The first question is he' s going to
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  veto simply because this, let' s say, buys him time. Let
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  ' s not say the process later takes longer until Congress returns. Congress has
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  to go through both cameras, which takes a few weeks. That, on
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  the one hand, then he can' t stop vetoing for a conceptual question
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  that this is, even if it isn' t more political than Congress.
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  I impose a law, it puts more expenses on me exactly. The third
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  is that, indeed, as you say, good is good. Congress insists,
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  but he or in the middle between which he vetoes and the law returns
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  to Congress, he may, indeed, return a little abstract to the discussion
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  with some kind of increase. Let' s say, within what the resources
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  have given, you don' t want me to do that good. Now
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  we' re going to depend on how the basic law comes out, why
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  the basic law, I mean if it comes out with profits, if personal
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  goods, it' s one thing. If not, the government will have
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  a real mess. You have to make an adjustment, because they won'
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  t save you the numbers. So let' s say it' s not
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  a question of var the will. It' s simply because you won'
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  t have money to meet the fiscal balance. No good to the collaborativeist position
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  is seen everywhere. How you see from time there is also a feeling when
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  you talk to legislators as well. Well even in part of the prote would
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  say, but well I say in the radicals in company pinche in rosemary to
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  say good, but we give it this way. They have no more excuses.
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  It stops us from putting exclusions. I say how much we will see
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  from now on of collaboration of the general dialectist opposition, Congress. One has
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  the impression that it will be like by law. I' m not saying
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  maybe I' ll hold the vote. Yes or and it' s not.
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  No. Yes, first, because the government would not want to be
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  part of any bloc political negotiation, let' s not say, but we
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  ' re seeing a little bit of the way. Let' s just say
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  what Macriy did, not that Mquirie didn' t want a deal with the
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  dialectists, but not even these dialectists, but actually let' s say he
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  wanted to go law by law, that on the one hand and on the
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  other hand, the part you have is more. That wears you out more.
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  Not to go law by law, wears you much more. Not good
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  to see is the present, but well all clear, that' s what
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  I was going to tell you. Everything has advantages, and disadvantages aren'
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  t that simple either. Let' s say discarding it from the outset a
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  more cro agreement let' s say it also forces you to certain things that
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  out there you don' t want. Anyway, I think Milay still thinks
• 27:07
  that Elgual is doing well in public opinion for what the hell it' s
• 27:11
  going to be an agreement for anyone, but we' re going to see
• 27:14
  the no. And then a detail, which is that the dialectists, as
• 27:19
  you say, give you this first law to tell you well that now that
• 27:25
  you do not seek excuses and start to govern, but that at the same
• 27:30
  time it will make the future negotiations between the government and the dialectists harder.
• 27:37
  Not if the dialogists were going to say so more condescending. Now they'
• 27:42
  re gonna be tougher in the future. Well, there are divers colleagues of
• 27:51
  yours to see I say I have the names of them. You don'
• 27:52
  t need to do it from Gustavo Córdoba, who seems closer to Peronism or
• 27:56
  the style that gives him relatively unpopular that a Miley forty and beaked is like
• 28:02
  ten twelve points below in the image to an oliarchy that are I say quite
• 28:07
  serious or. Giacobo that to my taste or not that they give him fifty
• 28:11
  - six or Aurelio that realizes in what we have in our midst as a
• 28:15
  friend and columnist also with you or gualme that gives him and a little down
• 28:18
  forty- five at what point we put ourselves. They' re done.
• 28:22
  Public opinion about Miley' s figure has lost a bit, not too much,
• 28:26
  infusing the adjustment, which is terrible, which is facing or has already
• 28:29
  begun to fall or remains solid with reading. If an American diplomat comes tomorrow
• 28:34
  and you wonder how you would define him, let' s say, zapa
• 28:37
  just over six months of management in terms of his personal image and his political
• 28:41
  leadership. I would tell you that, at the point of balance, let
• 28:45
  ' s not say between approvals and that approval, that is, which is,
• 28:48
  the measure that goes by time and taking into account the size of the
• 28:52
  adjustment, obviously, let' s say it' s not wrong, especially
• 29:00
  because now, in principle, you tested a law, I say we and
• 29:03
  all the media say correctly good. It practically has its first law, so
• 29:06
  that' s its political triumph that perfectly let' s say this a little
• 29:18
  raises the expectation low the same country, calms down the financial dollars, etcetera.
• 29:22
  This, of course, is all bread for November, for tomorrow,
• 29:25
  not by my law, but simply because within two weeks, as you say,
• 29:30
  we can have an unexpected Tuesday stress and then all that lasts lasts nothing,
• 29:34
  but yes it does balance point. It seems to me that it will
• 29:40
  remain in balance, at least until the second part of the year begins in
• 29:45
  August or September. Not only is it also good to see first, there
• 29:52
  is a certain seasonality. Let' s not say we' re already finishing
• 29:57
  June in practice and we' re coming to July, which is a month
• 30:00
  of winter vacation, even if it' s not all, but there'
• 30:04
  s kind of a situation. You saw how when we evaluate what public opinion
• 30:08
  looks like after the December holidays, it' s another public opinion. It
• 30:11
  ' s not a public opinion that' s a little bit on another relaxed
• 30:15
  raps. Then later, because let' s say to leave, I'
• 30:19
  d tell you in August. That is why more September is beginning to end
• 30:22
  the dollars of agricultural exports, so that we lay down the questions about the
• 30:30
  sustainability of the scheme so that it does not impact back on inflation or get
• 30:36
  out of hand, even if it is not for issues that have some psychological
• 30:40
  impact. The issue of financial dollars seems to me to be an issue to
• 30:45
  express attention and then, well also because the surprise to Milady is running out.
• 30:48
  I mean, actually, Manea hit you by a train. Let'
• 30:53
  s not say you don' t distribute food that you have in the warehouses.
• 30:56
  They' re adding up to this kind of thing. They' re
• 31:00
  your problems. It' s not Fernández' s problem. Alberto Fernández.
• 31:03
  It stays good just over suspicion, veils food. The subject of these excessive
• 31:10
  trips what we talked about when we spent half in Broma. The senator'
• 31:11
  s subject, almost bought with ambassador, an embassy b at UNESCO in Paris.
• 31:17
  No less than she doesn' t even have the role of day-
• 31:18
  to- day ambassadors, but she' s such an honorary car. That
• 31:22
  ' s right, it' s unglued and they' re marquitas that in
• 31:26
  any case can pass bills and Miley and he' s weak in terms of
• 31:29
  image popularity. Within a few months of August that I Prize when you can,
• 31:32
  i e, still those bullets bounce him off, let' s say
• 31:37
  or not yes, yes, I would tell you that public opinion doesn'
• 31:38
  t register him. No. In fact, yesterday evening we were with focus
• 31:42
  groups in an area of the Greater Buenos Aires and that does not come out
• 31:52
  in the conversation directly nor trips, nor veil peto or any of that.
• 31:56
  What we do say, that had the most impact is, on the one
• 32:01
  hand, the threat of employment. Obviously the salary does not reach you like
• 32:08
  this, but the threat on the subject of employment activity is a strong issue
• 32:14
  and the other issue is insecurity, because it has also obviously been partly triggered,
• 32:17
  let' s say, by the social situation. No, then I
• 32:22
  ' d tell you now those issues don' t come up now. At
• 32:27
  some point, as we have commented, you saw that at the moment you
• 32:30
  get all the coffers. Yes, you can get in, yes, then
• 32:34
  you saw, but at some point it seems that your old vest is going
• 32:37
  to be fantastic and at another time it seems that you have expiration date or
• 32:40
  expiration date. And, therefore, among all the bullets put together the misfortune.
• 32:44
  But that' s the way it is. I think that now,
• 32:45
  if I am not mistaken your colleagues in Argentina' s opinion, perhaps I
• 32:49
  am mistaken. But I think that Argentina, which pointed out that unemployment has
• 32:52
  already surpassed inflation and is first concerned about employment, as the first concern that
• 32:58
  some of your groups say put points in g in Ba confirm is the most
• 33:02
  critical area for my law has no images, Yes, it is the most
• 33:07
  critical area, but we are talking about one are of the northern zone,
• 33:13
  which is obviously a little more favorable. That on the one hand, and
• 33:19
  we' re talking about one of a few areas where let' s not
• 33:24
  say, it usually goes well with the pro yes, yes, what I
• 33:29
  mean by this. Also there we begin to present a dilemma, because let
• 33:35
  ' s say it is the area we are going to say so less criticism
• 33:38
  of my law within the Greater Buenos Aires. And yet it' s making
• 33:42
  noise, because it makes a lot of noise being the uncertainty of people you
• 33:47
  saw They don' t know what' s going to happen then they don
• 33:52
  ' t know what' s going to happen to the salary, I don
• 33:53
  ' t know what' s going to happen to the job. Well let
• 33:54
  ' s say situations where the subject of it begins to see the President how
• 34:04
  far away from social sensitivity, and he does no work, not in that
• 34:08
  sense. He' s going to say that he' s intellectually honest,
• 34:13
  he doesn' t do any work beyond saying that the huache won him inflation
• 34:15
  and I don' t do any work to show empathetic with the retiree or
• 34:21
  the one below, not beyond that there' s part of the bottom that
• 34:22
  supports him, that supports him over all young people, but I say he
• 34:25
  doesn' t do any work in that sense. In terms of public opinion,
• 34:27
  no. No. No. No, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 34:29
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no. No,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:29
  no, no, no, no, no. No, because let'
• 34:31
  s say here, let' s say there' s a conceptual question that
• 34:38
  this is and well I told them that it was going to be him,
• 34:42
  that it was going to be hard, that we had to be patient,
• 34:43
  and so on, and so on. The important thing is, let'
• 34:45
  s say they were on course. Say beyond short- term results. No,
• 34:47
  yes, but it' s fine. But I say and they have
• 34:50
  done it almost as if tomorrow someone feels freedom advance or Carina looks at the
• 34:52
  compossi and asks you, I can tell look at the truth, my love.
• 34:55
  We have to lower expenses. Doing this is gonna be tough. But
• 34:59
  in six months, a year. But be saying good all the time.
• 35:01
  But I appreciate your understanding. I appreciate you coming down. We have no
• 35:06
  choice but to put the breast, that is, but I also say encourage
• 35:08
  or thank you for putting the body in the thing. That part' s
• 35:12
  practically off the agenda. President, in the presidential narrative. It' s
• 35:15
  not the sacrifice in Argentina power and I, but there' s no good
• 35:17
  issue. We know some statement out there that even seems to be eye-
• 35:22
  catching. Maybe we didn' t get out of hand with the fit.
• 35:23
  Also tell me that' s like the surgeon telling you like that, my
• 35:27
  hand went off with the cut. Well, I' d worry. But
• 35:30
  I say there is no empathy in terms is true what you say, but
• 35:34
  there is no empathy. And say well, I know we' re in
• 35:37
  difficult times. They re- interview that we are in crisis, but it
• 35:39
  is not generated. But I' m saying, but I' m asking
• 35:42
  myself. I mean to analyze it, not just my law or even frank.
• 35:45
  There is no one from the narrative government, the government adorns them,
• 35:47
  that is, they all come out like a stick and it strikes me.
• 35:51
  That, I mean, will be that society now wants that I don'
• 35:53
  t know, I get the attention that doesn' t overreact a little empathy
• 36:00
  even without getting out of their plans and strategy. I' ll explain yes,
• 36:05
  it' s just that to see first goes beyond the President. Obviously,
• 36:07
  the President weighs heavily. The first question is the truth, that it
• 36:12
  would be difficult to find what figure in the Cabinet. One might say he
• 36:15
  ' s an empathetic figure. This is part of the problem. There is
• 36:20
  a theme of personal styles. I say that, obviously, the other issue
• 36:24
  is clear that everyone deduces that the President, the caputo, the economic team
• 36:30
  think that well, you have to order the most, but it is not
• 36:34
  that you order the macro and good is already a problem of the rest.
• 36:37
  Let' s not say we don' t get into the micro, because
• 36:40
  the role of the national government is to sort out the macro. And when
• 36:44
  you talk about the macro and you don' t talk about the micro,
• 36:50
  then there is an absence of productivist discourse and employment discourse, of SME discourse.
• 36:54
  No, then that' s absent. He' s probably always absent
• 37:00
  because they don' t really believe in saying anything about it. Well,
• 37:07
  as you passed you mentioned the pro issue with your focus groups there in GBA,
• 37:10
  especially in the north, which path you intuit that freedom is going to
• 37:15
  take electorally advances and pro let' s say in some districts agreements together,
• 37:20
  in others, not all together. And to say it' s clear that
• 37:23
  if Miley' s doing well, you can eat the next one and it
• 37:25
  ' s wrong. The pro fall with them this machine in the middle.
• 37:29
  I turn you see on both sides where we can tend beyond the bullry hobo
• 37:32
  that is already inside. It seems more freedom is progressing than there is by
• 37:36
  time in terms of putting it into milay more what they can agree that they
• 37:39
  cannot agree to some specific agreements. Others don' t go in all the
• 37:43
  provinces together that you see let' s say look. I don' t
• 37:45
  think there is much alternative, because to see if you are governor of the
• 37:57
  pro or radical also obviously and you say well look, I will maintain my
• 38:02
  identity because I won' t go with freedom advances, although we consider that
• 38:07
  the bomb is correct, et cetera. The calculation that the governors pull together,
• 38:13
  for the change is that they charge the old to go so zero to
• 38:15
  their provinces. If Miley' s doing well, I' m sorry to
• 38:20
  interrupt, but that will be because the discharge was different the other time.
• 38:22
  No, but when Miles had his own candidates, it went wrong everywhere.
• 38:25
  I mean, I mean, it' s okay. Now, he'
• 38:28
  s moving to support Miley' s figure and his candidates, Juan de los
• 38:30
  Palotes in San Juan or Catamarco, in Tierra del Fuego. It is a
• 38:36
  bit good at the time it would be so to see the most I would
• 38:39
  do if it were to say government strategist, that is, to vote my
• 38:47
  LEDs not support Milad and you cut Maurio or tarlo a fara total a postcast
• 38:52
  is Milanil. Then I say here is a plebiscite about my law. Eye
• 38:54
  with that detail very different from the other, which were separate elections It'
• 39:00
  s also true to say that, as we say, that came in as
• 39:07
  deputies and senators many strangers who entered because they went with Milete' s ballot
• 39:10
  to see e Miley' s ballot and it' s gone. But let
• 39:13
  ' s agree that let' s say he' s going to be the
• 39:15
  most important player, because today he' s the national executive power. Not
• 39:17
  that, on the one hand, then what they say my law does well
• 39:21
  for you say Miley does well for you. Pacific Peronism thirty, or every
• 39:25
  twenty- five, takes out thirty- five or whatever depends on each province,
• 39:30
  will go out to the second. And if you don' t go
• 39:32
  with a thousand ay until the third, so let' s say it'
• 39:37
  s not very funny. Now at what point you decide that, because you
• 39:42
  could come. We are going to say so in June next year that we
• 39:45
  doubt not to contain it so clearly. If Miley' s doing well or
• 39:47
  he' s doing badly for me. Milal' s pretty much going around.
• 39:52
  And then, obviously, but you have to make a decision. So
• 39:55
  it seems to me that you don' t have much choice, points of
• 40:00
  choice to go together. If there is no other clear believe, why,
• 40:02
  because you are, you, you are an audience, if you were an
• 40:07
  antica voter and then the public is either strong, antica, divides and wins
• 40:14
  the k then people are going to say. Gentlemen, all irresponsible people should
• 40:20
  have gone together. Like it or not. He likes it no yes,
• 40:23
  then I say. I think you have to be very delicate about that.
• 40:27
  Part of the radical problem with radicalism is that the voter base tells them to
• 40:32
  look at it, because if Quicherism doesn' t come back, it'
• 40:37
  s already back once. It' s not like that, let' s
• 40:39
  say the totes are so good. Among the radical militancy there is no part
• 40:43
  that is alfoncinist to half- left center. And just as I didn'
• 40:45
  t want to know, you didn' t want to do anything with Macri
• 40:47
  unless you wanted to know with Mira and I don' t say the one
• 40:52
  from the inside or the one from the region Mendoza or I don' t
• 40:52
  know, but it' s not much. The radical voter on the contrary,
• 40:54
  disemboweled with the right in quotation marks or I' m wrong Look.
• 40:58
  I believe that this is for large urban centres and for more social democratic cores
• 41:02
  the majority of radical electorates. It' s not that Millay likes it very
• 41:07
  much, but he thinks it' s better than that than the scripting coming
• 41:10
  back. So I say it' s very conservative, let' s say
• 41:16
  conservative interior and what happens is that I say don' t take into account
• 41:22
  let' s say that it looked like the famous, they don' t
• 41:27
  come back and then they came back to have it in their time yes,
• 41:32
  yes, of course, then the issue is not going to be that now
• 41:32
  by making differences. Even if my law is half- crazy, half-
• 41:36
  foolish, half- behaved, or whatever, it occurs in a situation where
• 41:40
  quisnerism becomes valentine and wants to return in twenty- seven, simply because it
• 41:46
  was divided, let' s say, the force of heaven was divided.
• 41:52
  Okay. Finally, Peronism. With this about what happened to the challenge that
• 41:57
  was the sung candidate and the sung President, today the sung candidate, it
• 42:00
  seems that if how delighted it is and how much trouble it has on that
• 42:06
  road, tern the paved can have in the face of a madness. I
• 42:08
  ' m talking about Argentina. In this three years as a candidate. To
• 42:12
  see me it seems that they are of those situations in which if everyone comes
• 42:16
  to the conclusion that it is going to be lost and why not, why
• 42:21
  can not be candidate that total is to peel and why, but why.
• 42:25
  Macri, when he won parliamentaryism, played six years ahead and repeated the two
• 42:31
  Christine governments. That' s why to believe that no, no, no,
• 42:38
  no obvious, obviously, obviously, what I want to say to you
• 42:43
  is that, when you have to make the decision, I say why shouldn
• 42:47
  ' t it be that if I lf the scenario seems like it' s
• 42:52
  going to take, not now, if the scenario is that my law is
• 42:59
  going to go wrong and all the partners say they' re in an obviously
• 43:06
  complicated situation, then look, because there' s going to be more than
• 43:13
  one interested to make the beneficiary candidate name Cristina Fernández include me. I don
• 43:14
  ' t think so anymore. I don' t think he' s got
• 43:16
  anything in the tank to run for again. The public of Union for the
• 43:22
  Homeland itself assumes that Cristina is a political referent, but that she will no
• 43:27
  longer be a candidate. No, but well, that' ll look like
• 43:29
  it. The point is that well, then it' s to win we
• 43:36
  ' re going to leave it here cinado. Either Cristina says well, then
• 43:38
  she goes to duet of Pedro or Masa says well, then to win I
• 43:43
  notice back. I think that' s where we' re going to enter
• 43:50
  a very complex scenario. The truth is that I still think that Cristina is
• 43:57
  going to try to come back with the logic of the candidate. It is
• 44:01
  the model and that, therefore, let us say it has to be one
• 44:07
  as faithful as possible. No, even though the truth is that here if
• 44:09
  you' re navigating them enough, cleverly the complexity ahead of you ah is
• 44:20
  speaking is cunning with these meetings, with other parties' slugs and so on.
• 44:24
  No yes, because it is also moderate, It is faced with the
• 44:34
  champagne, with which, within the most politicized part, say, che,
• 44:37
  it is not allowed to abandon. It seems that it does what it can,
• 44:43
  considering that a candidate is a good space candidate, space is the most
• 44:49
  reasonable. I don' t know if he' s a good candidate the
• 44:52
  most reasonable, which are two different things. Well, finally, freedom comes
• 44:54
  out together with the proof of forty- five too much seems forty- five
• 45:00
  percent of the votes to return to you great parliamentary party and paromentary dynamics.
• 45:07
  He doesn' t have one. It does not stay with the majority of
• 45:08
  the House or if of deputies for one case it will not reach the first,
• 45:12
  the first majority, yes, but the first majority or if it was
• 45:15
  poised that it was on the edge to see to see The first question is
• 45:22
  we know that I read today partly reflects the result two thousand twenty- three,
• 45:30
  which means that in the main province of Argentina it is not a place
• 45:35
  where forty is going to go one hundred the registry of Buenos Aires, forty
• 45:37
  one percent. Yeah, no, he' s not gonna do better,
• 45:40
  so you really wander around like you see the antherimeter. If you do well
• 45:46
  in Buenos Aires Province. No, if after cos you start adding Rioja,
• 45:52
  Catamarca, Jujuy, Salta, Río Negro, etcetera. And if we start
• 45:57
  arguing there, say a pontrite deputy where he is far from the discussion.
• 46:01
  So what I think that, let' s say. It' s an
• 46:07
  important detail because two issues. The first is to you. You can do
• 46:12
  very well, but suppose that freedom advances twice its deputies and goes from if
• 46:21
  I am not mistaken, thirty- seven to suppose seventy- five. You
• 46:25
  ' re at thirty- eight, you' re at least fifty deputies.
• 46:30
  Of having we don' t have to add up to the good pro.
• 46:37
  There' s the second one. The second letter girl clear. Of course,
• 46:42
  wherever freedom gains, the pro is going to lose and radicalism is going
• 46:45
  to lose. That is not to say that we add all this and also
• 46:51
  increases freedom to banza. Not sure, this is more like a game sumos
• 46:54
  tera. What I earn you' re gonna lose or vice versa. Well,
• 47:00
  in that case, he gets to the laora in half plus one of
• 47:04
  the deputy. Since I don' t know anything that has little. No.
• 47:06
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no. No,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 47:07
  I think it' s gonna be legit. I think we' re
• 47:08
  going to have four years of a free parliamentary minority government. Then he can
• 47:15
  make progress, etcetera. But that' s another argument. Let' s
• 47:17
  say yes with alien yes, yes, yes, of course, but that
• 47:22
  ' s on the one hand. Then let us also note that in just
• 47:27
  by Thomas let us say the first round of last year, thirty points of
• 47:32
  my law plus twenty- three of Homeland Buchas fifty- three, fifty-
• 47:37
  five. Let' s say you know that you don' t put all
• 47:40
  that together again next year in a legislative election, so I say well,
• 47:45
  it seems to me that you' re far from a discussion on parliamentary majorities
• 47:51
  in deputies or talk much more in the Senate than a one goes for a
• 47:54
  total third, Carlos a taste as always. Thank you very much, big
• 47:58
  hug, also for you, Carlos Juan, so that it is not so
• 48:00
  long interview to our columnist here, in plural construction of politics, we go
• 48:04
  to the economy gently with a little bit of mora. We are obviously delayed,
• 48:07
  to see, very amicably, Orlando Ferreres, the leading economist who already
• 48:10
  awaits us online, Orlando good afternoon, how he is doing, how we
• 48:14
  are doing, how we are doing well, very well, very well,
• 48:16
  luckily, here, Fernando Pollita, good to see how we are at what
• 48:22
  point we are because I say the best week of the government today a superior
• 48:28
  that the government has just announced also in financial May of one thousand eighty-
• 48:32
  three million pesos, a free dollar that goes to one thousand three hundred five
• 48:37
  and is in record a rich country that keeps going down there little bit in
• 48:39
  one thousand three hundred eighty- five. The concern about whether there is a
• 48:43
  second stage and how it will be if you start to generate any economic activity.
• 48:49
  I don' t know to what extent it exaggerates, if it'
• 48:52
  s black turce, enter the cabinet and noise or with totaputo. At what
• 48:54
  point we' re praying. Well, in principle, the first six months
• 49:00
  of my law didn' t go well with what he proposed, which was
• 49:05
  let' s say the fiscal and monetary part. That thing the first result
• 49:10
  also lowers inflation from twenty- five to four with two. Now it'
• 49:15
  s going to go up a little bit in the next month because of the
• 49:20
  tariff increases. But, well, it' s things to take what'
• 49:22
  s going to happen, it' s going to push the interruption away,
• 49:25
  what' s going to happen from July to December. Or that it is
• 49:25
  estimated to say that it is stagnating as far as the level of May,
• 49:30
  four three or more close to the five of that June closer to the five
• 49:35
  to do at a time that it will adjust several topics. And also the
• 49:38
  exchange rate is complicated, because with two percent for the official exchange rate,
• 49:43
  with inflation that' s at five or five and a half, obviously it
• 49:46
  doesn' t work for us to achieve good exports and in turn, should
• 49:53
  we also think when it' s going to come out of the stocks?
• 49:57
  It' s going to come out of the sepo once and for all,
• 50:01
  along with the most sacred impo advances and all I believe because there are many
• 50:07
  things that are including the sepo. We made a sheet with all the imitations
• 50:12
  that the cpo brings and the truth that encompasses an entire sheet really impressive things
• 50:17
  that complicates and so I think it will come out of the sepo little by
• 50:21
  little. I don' t think it' s going to be possible overnight.
• 50:29
  As much as I have followed something from the Monetary Fund that would come
• 50:32
  out in July, but it would start to come out because the tax on
• 50:38
  countries until December, but that they raise it before December, they do not
• 50:42
  bite. I believe it because it also pays a lot. This yields much
• 50:45
  as collection is forgiveness June inflation of how many we are talking about the four
• 50:50
  or two to how many ark the five up, the five plus minus in
• 50:53
  a bit down from having disassociated above it of the six. Ah so much,
• 50:59
  yes, the first week, I have consented to the whole month before.
• 51:07
  It' s the first week of June, not and the second is
• 51:12
  six seven, so one has to think that the number to arrive in Buenos
• 51:16
  Aires is going to be six and a half seven. Now the whole country
• 51:22
  can be smaller because they don' t have the same problem, they don
• 51:28
  ' t have so much tariff arrears. So, of course, it can
• 51:30
  be a little smaller out there. You marked the subject of it. Well
• 51:34
  it' s God, except the President is a bit of a common place
• 51:37
  or the delay change me and how you get out even to improve exports and
• 51:42
  so on. And how it gets out, because the Fund always presses for
• 51:45
  an evaluation. The government devalued itself, not because otherwise, I also put
• 51:49
  the inflationary issue at risk. How you get out, let' s say
• 51:52
  it' s healthy or what' s the best possible scenario to get out
• 52:00
  of the exchange rate delay, from the official doar that comes a moment that
• 52:04
  makes the exit, unification, would change the exit of the stocks and all
• 52:08
  that termination of the adjustments, and there you can make a ju a devaluation
• 52:15
  also that will be hidden within all this other and I think that' s
• 52:20
  the way to find a realistic kind of change that no longer needs to be
• 52:22
  changed much more every month. It seems to me that that is what I
• 52:24
  would do if I were there well, although one is not known, because
• 52:30
  sometimes when it is there, it begins to doubt on one side and on
• 52:36
  the other with lanickints angles that it can have Previdently, the exchange rate of
• 52:43
  balance for the external sector is more than two thousand three hundred fifty pesos and
• 52:50
  in the thousand three hundred and fifty, one thousand three hundred and fifty,
• 52:57
  one thousand three hundred and fifty pardons badly you saw one hundred and fifty.
• 52:59
  The program wrong balance exchange rate for carrier pardons for all. They are multinational
• 53:06
  exporters, that is Brazil, in China, Europe, the United States,
• 53:09
  etc. That would be the exchange rate that there should be, as the
• 53:15
  official exchange rate is at nine hundred and six pesos. Evidently, it'
• 53:21
  s worth worth fifty percent or something, to make things work more. The
• 53:28
  inflation that this generates, which is about fifty percent of the devaluation that is
• 53:34
  going to be in about two months. Evidently, they carry the exchange rate
• 53:39
  in a thousand seven hundred. But to have something to do, because if
• 53:44
  you do, to wait for someone else to do it and you can happen
• 53:49
  the same thing as Macri who was waiting for the exchange rate until the last
• 53:52
  hour realized that he had to evaluate. No. What happens is that that
• 53:59
  ' s obviously going to generate inflationary pressures. Yeah, of course, that
• 54:04
  ' s why they don' t. I think that' s the one
• 54:07
  with whom they don' t encourage themselves to do it and prefer to find
• 54:15
  angles that tell you the exchange rate? Okay, obviously, the exchange rate
• 54:17
  in a country where many capitals enter is made an account from 1, 80,
• 54:24
  60 so far for our retail inflation and is counting from the United States
• 54:34
  dans or less six hundred pesos per dollar. But at a time of dollar
• 54:38
  outflow where there are reserves or no reserves, it gives about 1, 500.
• 54:45
  This must bear fruit for him between a thousand and five hundred and six
• 54:50
  hundred. That' s the angle. That' s why today I'
• 54:53
  m fine, because I' m within the angles that this macroeconomics allows me.
• 55:00
  But, however, we are having a very high risk country of 1,
• 55:07
  500 together a little more. So that doesn' t mean Uruguay'
• 55:12
  s hippo rich, which has a hundred and forty points or something like that
• 55:17
  or Peru, which is also pretty close to that. Obviously, there is
• 55:22
  a greater risk of products that tend to be that in Argentina, out there
• 55:27
  can not pay and, in turn, as an organization wants to introduce,
• 55:35
  a generalization of currencies, also that requires it to have more reserves to not
• 55:40
  take risk, with which I think they had to have a slightly higher exchange
• 55:44
  rate to be quieter and safer to see short ones at the foot the last
• 55:51
  ones. We' re here gently making runs in connection with that job that
• 55:54
  we' re going to see. Let' s say worrying scenario. How
• 55:58
  many he can get out. Let' s say in unemployment, well,
• 56:00
  it can grow quite a bit. So far it grew a lot in what
• 56:04
  is this troxamen constructions. Construction fell twenty- two percent between April this year
• 56:12
  and last year' s habil, i e that there are 9, 000
• 56:17
  people who have gradually gone through the unemployment insurance they have. But the industry,
• 56:22
  which is also pretty bad, is falling more or less, even ten
• 56:25
  percent to open up a little more. It really still reached unemployment. That
• 56:31
  ' s where we can say two digits that we can' t go more
• 56:36
  or less there. I think there may be two old ladies there where it
• 56:39
  is and after there is the trade part that also having problems with retail sales.
• 56:46
  Evidently, that may also have some unemployment for you. Now the agro,
• 56:52
  which did not have a good harvest last year, is giving the opposition,
• 56:58
  a growth of centipo percent in the soy of sixty percent of the corn,
• 57:04
  which result in much nomenting and the same thing that is seen if it
• 57:09
  alters above all by oil and gas, which is growing quite. So,
• 57:14
  like you, the country divided three sectors that fall very much and all three
• 57:19
  sectors that also increase very much. The fall of the plebe there of three
• 57:24
  as one percent in April, but everything you are given already opens the six
• 57:30
  with three me And so that the field is not going to follow all the
• 57:34
  time, it will only be important in this second trimester. Well, by
• 57:40
  praying thirty final seconds that throw me out of the air the last melconian for
• 57:45
  example, I put a name you don' t have to refer, but
• 57:46
  the phrase. Let' s say, the government makes a mistake saying the
• 57:51
  worst is over. The worst is over and there' s starting to be
• 57:55
  some outbreak, some rebound or actually fictional being the worst. We didn'
• 58:00
  t see the worst of the adjustment. No, I think the worst is
• 58:02
  already. It is believed because it was high inflation with high recession, and
• 58:08
  that part of the recession in the construction industry is ending and now comes the
• 58:13
  recovery in real wages and also retirements, thus compensating the painful expansion that may
• 58:19
  have a miracle in this new harvest that is now beginning to say in the
• 58:25
  middle of the year, that is. I think this better time is coming
• 58:32
  and we' re festive for next year, that is, two thousand twenty
• 58:37
  - five. An increase of at least five percent in gross product with inflation
• 58:43
  of thirty- five to forty percent. Thirty- five forty percent inflation to
• 58:51
  non- single. It comes very well, Orlando a taste as always,
• 58:55
  thank you so much for the difference of tempting us. On the contrary,
• 58:58
  thanks to you for taking up. Thank you Orlando Freres in plural construction start
• 59:02
  of the clear week on Thursday, we rest tomorrow we return, we pass
• 59:07
  by keper Fara and Ferreres. See you tomorrow. Thank you, Juan,
• 59:08
  thank you Silvia, until tomorrow morning at 4: 00 p m. Byve
• 59:10
  bye bye. Thank you, thank you, gra