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#0120 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman, with Tim Burchett · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Good to see you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, brothers. Big honor.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very excited about this.
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  Very excited to talk to you. There's so many different
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  things to discuss. So do you know what is going
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  to be released? So supposedly this is the week of
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  some kind of disclosure. Can you give us any insights?
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  as to what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I got a call, uh, um, that tomorrow
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  at three o'clock, I'm going to be briefed over the
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  phone by, um, I think one of headsets top dogs
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  is going to go over some stuff with me that
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  they've gotten. And I have no earthly idea. I, I
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  don't want everybody to get their hopes up. I don't
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  have a lot of faith in, in our government. President
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  Trump's always been great to me. He's never lied to me,
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  but I, I don't know that he knows the right
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  questions to ask and the right people to talk to because,
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  I mean, this thing's been covered up at least since 1947.
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  And I just don't think they're going to, they don't
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  give up that easy. The war pimps at the Pentagon
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  and everybody else, they just don't give up that easy.
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  Speaker 2: How, how did you come to understand all this stuff?
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  Like what was your understanding of it before you got
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  into government?
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  Speaker 1: I had pretty cool parents.
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  Speaker 3: Right now they would, daddy was an old World War
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  II Marine and, Mama flew an airplane during the second
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  world war.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they were, they were bad asses.
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  Speaker 3: Then they were good Christian people, but my daddy was
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  a stone cold killer. I mean, he was the real deal.
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  He was on Peleliu and Okinawa and the Marine Corps.
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  And of course, mama's oldest brother, Roy got killed fighting
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  the Nazis and mama did her part. Just a little
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  country girl. Didn't have electricity until she's a senior in
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  high school.
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  Speaker 1: So I've kind of lived the American dream.
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  Speaker 3: But they would let me, you know, they'd let me
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  get bloodied up and then they would patch me up
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  and let me go you know I could ride my
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  bike to the library or the library if you're from
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  east Tennessee and uh and it was you know about
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  a mile from the house and they'd go in there
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  and they have these books set up and they had
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  all this stuff on you know this wild stuff and
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  there's a book on UFOs and I just picked it
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  up and started reading and I probably wasn't I don't
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  know seven or eight years old and I just always
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  followed it you know the magazine articles and I'd go
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  out at night and hope to see a UFO.
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  Speaker 1: Never did.
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  Speaker 3: Never have until some of the briefings I've been in.
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  But and then I'm walking down the street. And can
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  I mention another news source? OK, I was walking down
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  the street and TMZ was there was a guy there,
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  this black fella. His name's Colin. He's a buddy of mine.
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  He doesn't work for them anymore, but he was filming.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, hey, congressman. He said, you want me
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  to comment on the UFO thing? He couldn't get anybody
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  to comment. I said, well, sure.
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  Speaker 3: I said, they're going to tell you they're going to
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  issue your report, and it's going to be loaded, and
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  everybody's freaking out.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be the greatest thing. It's going to
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  be total disclosure. And then they're going to put something out.
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  It looked like somebody shot it with a dadgum 12 gauge.
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  It's just going to have holes in it. It's all redacted.
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  And I said, and they're not going to put it
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  out this week. It'll be weeks later, and that's exactly
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  what they did. They had a report I felt like
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  had some information in that was– new to the public.
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  Speaker 3: And they did what they always do.
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  Speaker 1: They hid it, covered it up. And then everybody saw
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  that interview. And I said on it, I said.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one we were talking about, Bases in the Ocean?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: A different one.
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  Speaker 3: This is totally different. This is just out on the
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  street corner. And then I started getting calls from people
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  literally all over the world. I mean, I've talked to
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  legislators in Russia over this issue.
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  Speaker 1: And then people.
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  Speaker 3: people start just stop me on street corners and say, hey, man,
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  I really appreciate you going for disclosure. I have doctors
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  tell me this. I have lawyers, engineers. I have military
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  people that have seen things that they can't describe. I've
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  had members of Congress. You know, there's a few bullies
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  in Congress. They'll make fun of me and say smart
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  aleck stuff. But put it out there to your people.
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  It's over 55 percent of the American population feels like
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  we're not alone. I mean, seriously, you go out there
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  and look at those every night. My dog's They got
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  to take a leak. They never want to take a
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  leak at like nine o'clock. It's always three o'clock in
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  the morning. I look at those dadgum stars, man, and
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  the light from those stars left there before the time
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  of Christ. And the light from some of those stars,
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  the stars have already combusted. I mean, they're not even
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  there anymore. You know, light years to us is something
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  that's hard to understand. And we are more, we are just,
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  you know, one grain of sand on a billion beaches.
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  And I still don't think we're the best that God
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  can do. I mean, you know, I just can't imagine
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  We're his shining, uh, we're, we're, we're the one they
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  put on the mantle. Oh, look, he made humans. Well,
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  you know, we've kind of screwed things up. So I, I,
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  you know, and I, um, and I read my Bible
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  and a lot of the Christian folks knock me. They
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  talk about demons. And I said, well, I'm good with Jesus.
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  I'm not worrying about demons. I'm not going to worry
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  about that. I don't think they're demons. I don't, why
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  would they, they don't have to fly around in some
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  craft to, to, you know, it's just, to me, it's,
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  it's hard to imagine, but the, um, The underwater thing
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  was I was getting briefed by, it was a former
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  admiral came into my office. And Joe, it was a
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  very friendly conversation. And I'm always a little couched because,
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  or a little, I hold back a little bit because
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  I think there's a psyop going on with some of
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  these departments. I was briefed by one of our alphabet
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  agencies not long ago. And the final thing was somebody said, well,
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  why don't we got more information? He says, We just
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  don't have the funding for that, Congressman. And, you know,
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  it's a and I know they're reading the polling data
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  and they're saying, you know, well, let's shake loose the
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  money tree for us. And that's that's part of it, too.
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  And I warn people about that. But I guess in
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  a nutshell, that's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: So when you first got in, how long have you
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  been in government for?
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  Speaker 1: Well, eight years in Congress. I was in our state
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  legislature in Tennessee, 16 years. And then I was county
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  mayor for eight years.
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  Speaker 2: So was it. When you got into Congress that you
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  first started getting inside information about what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that was– was that eight years ago or like
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  when was that?
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  Speaker 1: Probably six years ago, five or six. Let's see. It
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  was during Trump's first administration. So it would have been
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  about eight years ago.
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  Speaker 2: And do you remember what it was? Do you remember
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  how you were introduced to it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We raised– we just raised total hell about it.
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  And then– Because it's a cover-up. Nobody would give us information.
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  Speaker 2: But what made you think it was a cover-up? Why
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  did you think that there was information?
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  Speaker 3: I guess I just don't trust the government. I've been
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  in government most of my life, and I just don't
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  trust it.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that, but was there something that led you
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  to want to pursue this particular subject?
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  Speaker 3: No, just it kind of pursued me. After I did
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  that TMZ interview, people started calling me, and then people
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  would— I would get phone calls from people.
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  Speaker 2: But the TMZ interview was fairly recently, right?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: That was, that was one that was, that was, that
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  was what started it all. It was seven or eight
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  years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't, I didn't explain.
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  Speaker 2: That very well. So, so then, so, but you had
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  an interest from the time you were a child and
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  then getting into government, what was like the first introduction
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  where you had an idea that there's something going on?
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  Speaker 1: When I started asking questions and, um, and we just
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  get to run around.
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  Speaker 2: Like what kind of questions?
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  Speaker 3: Like what is this? Where are you seeing these things?
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  And we would get people. I had an interesting meeting
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  in my office with some people that were nationally known,
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  and they came by to see me, and they just
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  wanted to talk to me about it. And they started
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  telling me things.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had a group come to my house.
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  Speaker 3: I said, y'all just come by the office in D.C.,
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  and we'll talk. And they said, We don't feel comfortable
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  doing that. And they came by the house and they said,
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  can we hook up to your television? And I said, well, sure,
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  you know, and they hooked up the computer to it
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  and they were showing me, they were showing me objects
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  that were flying it. And granted, I'm not a, you know,
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  I'm not an astrophysicist by any stretch of imagination, but
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  they were showing me things that were flying at speeds
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  that were just, that nothing compares. And the angles that
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  they were taking would literally, and I've said this before
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  and it grosses people out, but it would turn you
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  or me into a ketchup package. I mean, we, you know,
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  you go this way and then boom, you're going this
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  way and we have no, no capability of any of it.
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  And now I've been briefed so many times from on different,
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  different groups. You know, you know, we've, we scrub missions
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  because these things are out there. We, and then we
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  tell everybody that's involved to keep your mouth shut. And
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  then if you're a pilot, And you come back and say, hey,
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  I've seen this. You immediately pulled off the flight line.
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  I'm not a pilot or military person, but flight line
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  is what I call it. They're not able to fly,
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  and they're given a psych evaluation. And they're given an
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  eight-hour– they call it a debriefing. I've been told by
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  some of the officers that have been involved. It's really
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  just an interrogation. And then you've got that hanging on
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  your record.
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  Speaker 2: So it influences them to stop asking questions.
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  Speaker 1: Keep their mouth shut.
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  Speaker 3: I literally had a guy tell me, Joe, that he
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  said his– recorder. It was an older style plane. And
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  he said, I think he said it was close to
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  his right knee. And when he got that on his recorder,
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  he started smashing it with his right knee to discombobulate
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  it so that it wasn't even, because he didn't want anything.
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  Speaker 1: He did not need it. He saw it.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't need it on his record. Even if he
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  saw it and it was on a dadgum tape, they'd
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  drag you in. And so myself, Luna, and Matt Gates
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  went down to Florida to be briefed by. Matt was
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  told that some pilots had seen some things, and they
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  had some photographs. And so we go down there, and again,
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  we go in. I told Matt, I said, Matt, they
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  don't give up this stuff easy. we're gonna go down
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  there and I have a bad feeling they're gonna turn
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  us out. Well, we went down there and Joe, they
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  briefed us on some very, very serious issues that they
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  were dealing with, with the Chinese and communist infiltration and
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  things going on around Florida and the ocean. But they
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  did never have the, they wouldn't bring the pilots in
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  and Matt said, hey, I understand all this, but this
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  is not why we came down here. And Matt's, you
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  can say what you want to about Matt Gates, but
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  he's a great orator and he's a great attorney. And
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  he just started flailing on them. And he told them,
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  he said, here's what's going to happen. You're going to
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  jerk me around. And I said, I'm going to subpoena
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  you all. We're going to call you all back to Washington.
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  And I remember looking over in the corner at the
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  suits and I said, I called them spooks because They
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  were obviously some sort of military intelligence or CIA. And
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  I leaned over to Matt, and I said, the spooks
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  are getting nervous, brother, because they were kind of shifting around.
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  And they shut us down. They said, no, we're not
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  going to do it. And Matt said, I'm calling whoever
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  big Air Force was. Matt was on one of the
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  military committees, and he called. And an hour later, they
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  stuck us up in this room and had microphones under
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  the desk. I remember Luna reached under and unplugged them.
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  And they had a nice fruit tray that you paid
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  for it, taxpayers. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: So I went and did it like a jackass eating sawbriars.
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  I was just eating. I didn't care.
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  Speaker 3: And so finally I came back in an hour and
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  the guy says, I don't know who you all called,
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  but you're going to get your briefing.
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  Speaker 1: They're bringing the pilots in.
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  Speaker 3: And literally they brought these pilots in and they were
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  in their flight gear and they had just come out
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  of the planes and they were the ones and they
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  And they described things and it's been reported now, it's
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  been reported in public, but it was these craft that
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  were hovering for extended periods of times and could shoot
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  straight up at incredible speeds that we don't have capabilities
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  of doing. And those are the kind of thing. And two,
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  this was military people. These were top people. These are
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  like the equivalent, not, you know, just some of our
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  top people. And I know folks are going to say, well,
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  it's probably the Russians. Well, if it's the Russians, dadgummit,
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  they wouldn't be, tied up down in Ukraine for how
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  many years. And Putin's such an egomaniac. He'd fly a
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  saucer to Pennsylvania Avenue, get out and probably wrestle Trump
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  in the front yard or something, you know, bare chested,
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  ride a unicorn or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: If it was China, they'd own us even more than
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  they already do. And then people say, well, it's ours, Birch.
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  It's just ours. They don't want to erase it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, think about this.
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  Speaker 3: President Trump, and he should have, and I give him
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  great credit for that, that pilot that got knocked down
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  over in Iran. We spent untold millions of dollars to
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  bring that cat home and we should have because it
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  sends a message to our enemies and it sends a
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  message to our fighting men and women that we're not
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  going to leave you behind as many presidents have done
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  many times. There's no way on God's green earth that
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  they would risk a half a billion dollar aircraft with
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  something flying around it and risk those guys' life and
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  all that training to put these guys in harm's way.
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  And that's And that's exactly what they're doing. I mean,
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  these things are buzzing cockpits. It's not an everyday occurrence.
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  It's in certain areas. And that's where the deep water
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  thing comes in, the deep water bases. I was sort
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  of misquoted. I was just telling what I was told.
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  But it makes a lot of sense that these deep
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  water areas are where we see a lot of sightings.
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  And we've seen craft underwater sites. that do something over
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  200 miles an hour that are on the sonar pickup
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  are as big as a dadgum football field. And the
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  best we have, we don't have anything big as a
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  football field, maybe in length, but not underwater anyway. And,
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  you know, the best we can do is maybe upper
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  30 mile an hour, maybe something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But 200 miles an hour, that's just out of the question.
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  And these things don't have a heat signature and I hope, though,
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  that they release some of the footage that we've seen
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  and some that we haven't, that we've been rumored that's
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  out there. What I'm afraid, though, it's going to get
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  so sanitized and it's going to get cleaned up. I mean,
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  even Obama, he said, yeah, there are aliens out there.
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  And then in a recent interview I saw just last
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  week or so, he's backed up on that.
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  Speaker 1: I was just kidding. I was just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I saw Trump when he was getting interviewed. He
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  said Obama shouldn't have said that because it's classified. He goes,
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  but I might release it. I might make it unclassified.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope he does. And I told him that.
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  I talked to the president about it. And I said,
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  you know, Mr. President, it's like layers of an onion.
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  Just keep peeling it back. And I hope he does.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he might be the only one that would ever
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  do it.
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  Speaker 1: Only one with enough guts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because he's not beholden to that bunch. All they've done
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  is try to bury him.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when these men came to you and they
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  hooked up the computer to your television and showed you,
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  did they tell you why they wanted you to see
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  this stuff?
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  Speaker 3: I just thought I should know about it because I
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  was asking the right questions. And then shortly after that,
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  I was in. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Were you told that you were not supposed to tell
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  people about this?
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  Speaker 3: No, but it's interesting. I had that deep throat moment,
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  you know, not the porn version, the Richard Nixon moment,
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  you know, where I was walking in the tunnel one
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  day and a person came up to me. And it's
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  always a friend. It's always a friend that does this
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  and said, It was just the strangest conversation, and I'll
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  never forget it, because he said, Burchett, he said, you know,
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  you're really pushing on this UFO thing. And I go, yeah, yeah,
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  I am. He said, do you really think we need
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  to do this? And I just kept listening. When I
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  was a young man, I'd run my mouth and said, oh,
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  shut up. But I listened to what he said. He said,
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  I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community
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  and all this other, I mean, some of this stuff
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  just left unknown, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: And The government has no right to decide what I
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  can and cannot understand or handle or see. And every time, Joe,
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  let me tell you what they're going to do. I
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  had a two-page bill for disclosure, and Chuck Schumer had
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  one that was 60 pages, I believe. And he modeled
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  his after the Kennedy assassination committee release, which we're over
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  60 years into that, and we still don't– they haven't
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  released everything. on President Kennedy getting shot. And that's what
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  they wanted to model this dadgum thing after. Mine was
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  two pages long. Of course, mine didn't get anywhere. I
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  was told by a member of leadership, they come and
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  sit with me. I call it center's row. I sit
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  on the back row, second from the back on the aisle.
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  Everybody gets in trouble. They come sit with me sometimes.
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  And I was told by a member of leadership that
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  the intelligence community was unhappy with what I was doing.
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  And then I got a phone call from... a former
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  member of, um, president Trump's staff who told me that
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  I needed to, um, I forget his exact terminology, but
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  he said, Oh, he said, you need to get some
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  bodies around you. And so, you know, I don't know
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  what that means.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress, Joe.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: So they bumped me off and it's going to be like, they'll, they'll,
• 17:50
  they'll be one tear shed on the house floor. That'd
• 17:52
  be because I owed somebody $ 10. I didn't pay them back.
• 17:55
  And then they'll move on to the next guy.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So, Well, I'm sure you're aware of this narrative about
• 18:00
  the missing scientists and scientists that have turned up dead
• 18:02
  and been killed.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: 100 percent. That's real. I think I have a theory
• 18:08
  on that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I know it's a little dangerous to throw these things out.
• 18:11
  But and I was on maybe Fox one time and
• 18:15
  I just came up with this.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I say, say your family's mobbed up. OK.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And you all own a nice Italian restaurant and it's
• 18:22
  world renowned and you're you're busting at the seams, you know,
• 18:25
  and you're. franchising and putting out cookbooks and everything. You've
• 18:28
  got this one chef who's the kingpin of all of it.
• 18:32
  But you're afraid he's talking to your competitors. Now, you
• 18:37
  don't bump him off. What you do is you rough
• 18:39
  up a few of the busboys, and that sends a
• 18:42
  quick dadgum message that you need to shut your mouth.
• 18:47
  Timing is everything, and nothing happens by accident in Washington, D.C.
• 18:51
  To me, I think the timing is uncanny. You got
• 18:56
  a president, you know, he had these hearings in Washington.
• 18:59
  You have a president that says he's going to release stuff.
• 19:02
  And all in that same time frame, before and after that,
• 19:04
  you're having some of these high-ranking officials disappear. And to me,
• 19:10
  nobody disappears in this country unless they want to disappear.
• 19:14
  You know, there's cameras everywhere. And it just, to me,
• 19:17
  it's just, it reeks of a deep state sewer.
• 19:22
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  of the things that I thought of is, One of
• 20:43
  the subjects that these people– they're all working on different things,
• 20:47
  but they're working on alternative energy sources.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the– I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut
• 20:54
  you off.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's okay.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But that's what ties them together, I think.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And two, one of them's spouse said, oh, my husband
• 21:02
  or wife or whatever never did anything with UFOs. Well,
• 21:05
  they don't talk about it. It's actually– It's a pretty
• 21:08
  close-knit group. And I always remember this. I knock on doors.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That's how I got elected. Nobody really does.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of people like me that come
• 21:15
  from a family of public educators that get elected to Congress,
• 21:18
  all right? Most of my contributions are $ 25, and somebody
• 21:21
  wraps a Bible verse around it and tells me they're
• 21:24
  praying for me. The big boys, they're always for me
• 21:26
  the day after the election, all right? They always, oh,
• 21:28
  let me write you a check. And we were with
• 21:30
  you all along. I always say, yeah, I felt it
• 21:31
  right there towards the end, you know? But I'm knocking
• 21:34
  on this guy's door down in Farragut. And he's putting
• 21:39
  his flag out. He's an older gentleman. And I said,
• 21:42
  I said, hey, brother, did you serve? And he said, no.
• 21:45
  You know, I mean, it's East Tennessee, you know. And
• 21:46
  he kind of held his head down. No, I didn't.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And I said, he said, I worked at Oak Ridge.
• 21:52
  And I said, brother, I said, my daddy was on
• 21:54
  Okinawa when they dropped the bomb. They were getting ready
• 21:56
  to invade mainland Japan. I said, if my mom and
• 21:58
  daddy were alive today, they would hug you because that's,
• 22:04
  they put it together. And he told me, he said, Tim,
• 22:07
  Before I left, he said a funny thing. He said,
• 22:10
  my wife worked there too. And, you know, she worked
• 22:14
  on a, I think he said he was a fuse
• 22:17
  or something. And she was, I worked on a timer
• 22:20
  on the atomic bomb. He said, I didn't know what
• 22:23
  she did the entire time that we were working there.
• 22:25
  That's called compartmentalization. And that's what you have here. And
• 22:29
  if I can elaborate just a little bit more, you're
• 22:33
  familiar with FOIA. I mean, you're a member of the
• 22:35
  Media Freedom of Information Act. It means I can request
• 22:39
  from a federal agency, the FBI, they probably wouldn't give
• 22:41
  it to me, but any information. But I can't go
• 22:44
  after like Ford Motor Company, okay? So what they've done
• 22:48
  is they've given this information, if it's craft, if it's material,
• 22:52
  if it's bodies, I don't know. I have my suspicions.
• 22:55
  But they've given them, there's four or five major contractors
• 22:59
  at UC that are always the ones that are putting
• 23:02
  it out there. There are missile defense systems, there are
• 23:04
  They're coming up with this new metallurgy, these new propulsion systems.
• 23:08
  And I think that whatever they had, they gave to
• 23:12
  them early on. And they're the ones. But they're so
• 23:16
  far disconnected from the government that I can't touch it.
• 23:19
  And the people that are working on it, there's nobody
• 23:22
  alive around Roswell or any of that stuff that was
• 23:25
  in and around those years that's still alive or still working.
• 23:29
  So all those people are gone. I mean, that's the
• 23:32
  best secret you can keep if You tell somebody and
• 23:34
  they die. And that's exactly what they've done. And, you know,
• 23:39
  we've been given places, addresses, and things. And everybody says, oh, man,
• 23:45
  go to, you need to get out to Area 51, Burchett,
• 23:48
  and see what's out there. There ain't nothing at freaking
• 23:51
  Area 51. As soon as we announce where we're going,
• 23:54
  the U-Haul vans would have already been there and left,
• 23:56
  you know. And so what it's going to take is
• 23:59
  it's going to take a scientist or somebody, that's going
• 24:02
  to have to walk out of one of those dadgum
• 24:03
  labs before they're allowed to commit suicide by shooting themselves
• 24:08
  in the back of the head 10 times with a
• 24:11
  shotgun or something.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know the Bob Lazar story?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I've never met Bob. I know a buddy of mine,
• 24:20
  I guess a friend of mine, I think sort of
• 24:22
  broke that story.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: George Knapp?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Knapp. I'm sorry.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I I haven't slept much in the last 48 hours.
• 24:29
  But yeah, George, I met him through all this. And
• 24:32
  I mean, it's a big honor because I grew up
• 24:33
  watching George Knapp. He's a cool guy.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: He's awesome.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I love him. He comes to my office and we
• 24:37
  hang out.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And I mean, people get, you know, they get kind
• 24:41
  of starry eyed when they see somebody like yourself or
• 24:44
  Kid Rock or somebody. But for me, it was George
• 24:46
  Knapp because I mean, you know, because I asked him,
• 24:48
  I'd ask him stuff. He goes, yeah, that was a
• 24:50
  report I did when Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: He's very careful about what he says, too. He's not
• 24:56
  a guy who says anything that he can't.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And he documents it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You ever seen his files? I mean, it's just a
• 25:01
  myriad of files.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: He's very even keeled and fair in the way he
• 25:06
  assesses things. He's not hyperbolic. The way he describes things
• 25:10
  is like as clean and as accurate as possible.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: He's not trying to sell T-shirts, really. I mean, he's
• 25:16
  a true journalist. I wish other people would look at
• 25:19
  a guy like that and say. That's the way we
• 25:21
  need to go with journalism.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: A real journalist who didn't start off with this whole
• 25:25
  UFO thing. He didn't want to do– I mean he
• 25:27
  was an actual just regular journalist until Bob Lazar contacted him.
• 25:30
  And that story– I've had Bob on a couple of times.
• 25:34
  In fact, this is how popular this idea is in
• 25:38
  the American zeitgeist. The Bob Lazar episode– Of this podcast
• 25:44
  is the most viewed episode that I've ever had on YouTube.
• 25:47
  Is that right? Yeah, it's got 65, 66, 66 million
• 25:51
  views right now.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, a guy who's just talking about how he
• 25:57
  used to work at S4, Area 51, Site 4, where
• 26:02
  he was back engineering UFOs. Right. And there's a new
• 26:05
  documentary that he just did called S4. where they use
• 26:10
  CGI and they made models of the craft and they
• 26:14
  made him like they brought him, you know, they used
• 26:17
  this technology that makes it look like he's a lot younger. Yeah.
• 26:20
  And they showed like what his experience was. They completely
• 26:24
  recreated it and it down to a T. And I,
• 26:27
  Jamie and I got a chance to watch it with him,
• 26:30
  with Bob and Luigi, the guy who made the film.
• 26:32
  And it was, I mean, watching how emotional he gets
• 26:35
  when he's in the room. He's like, this is it.
• 26:37
  This is, this is like, like, It freaks me out.
• 26:39
  It brings me back because we're talking about 1988, 1989
• 26:43
  when all this was going on.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And he really– the last report I saw, somebody interviewed
• 26:49
  him at his house. I mean he had like a
• 26:52
  mid-' 80s Corvette or something. He's not– he hasn't cashed in
• 26:56
  on it like everybody else seems to do.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: No, he hasn't made any money off of it, and
• 27:00
  he's still just a legitimate scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs.
• 27:04
  That's what he does, and he's a brilliant guy. And–
• 27:08
  doesn't want the attention like I it was very difficult
• 27:11
  to get him to come back in a second time
• 27:13
  you know and he wanted to wait until this documentary
• 27:16
  was out and come in and talk again but he
• 27:18
  got freaked out he drank a lot of whiskey you
• 27:20
  know he was like gets weirded out by it all
• 27:21
  it's all like to him the whole experience was very
• 27:24
  surreal and strange and.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Well, you got to figure he's the one that escaped
• 27:29
  from all of it and is still alive. And somehow
• 27:31
  he got out and was able to do it before
• 27:33
  they could silence him. They tried to discredit him, said
• 27:36
  he didn't work there. And then I think he produced
• 27:38
  check stubs even.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Well, not just that. They tried to pretend that he
• 27:41
  never worked at Los Alamos Labs, but he was on
• 27:43
  the employee roster. There was a lot of stuff going
• 27:46
  on where they tried to discredit him. But he went
• 27:48
  public because he was afraid they were going to kill him.
• 27:51
  Because the initial one, he gave a fake name and
• 27:53
  he was a silhouette and he told a story. But
• 27:55
  then his home got broken into. His car was getting
• 27:58
  broken into. He got shot out on the highway. It
• 28:01
  got real weird. And so he said, look, I've got
• 28:03
  to go public. It might be the only way to
• 28:05
  protect myself. And he told the whole story. And he
• 28:07
  hasn't deviated from that story. And that's what's really kind
• 28:11
  of crazy because it's been, you know, what, 40-something years
• 28:14
  or close to?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: These guys, they ask those questions, you know. They always, oh, yeah, well.
• 28:19
  And they say, was it red? No, it was green.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And then they were adamant that it was red 10
• 28:23
  years ago. Right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Everything about him has been that he– and I've seen–
• 28:27
  there was a documentary on him and they asked somebody
• 28:29
  to analyze him.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Was he telling the truth or not? And he said,
• 28:34
  I think he's telling the truth.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It doesn't seem like he's lying.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: But I mean– Of course, I'm in the business. I'm
• 28:40
  in Congress. He's an amateur. We're professionals up there, brother.
• 28:45
  You only think you can tell a lie.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: They're not very good at it, the people in Congress
• 28:49
  that are liars. The problem with liars is they don't
• 28:53
  really have a good understanding of the truth because if
• 28:57
  you're lying all the time and you're forging this like
• 29:00
  fake narrative, people see that. And so when you try
• 29:05
  to say it as the truth, it doesn't come off
• 29:07
  like the truth. This is a feeling that people get
• 29:09
  when they talk to you. Now, there's some real crazy
• 29:12
  people that could just lie, like really insane. But generally,
• 29:16
  they lie about a bunch of stuff. They don't just
• 29:18
  have one lie from 1989.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: The term pathological comes to mind.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: That bass was this big.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Well, his story, though, one of the interesting things is
• 29:30
  he was talking about the ways in which the craft moved.
• 29:33
  And then decades later, we have footage. that shows these
• 29:37
  crafts rotating in the direction that they want to travel,
• 29:40
  then zooming off. And then, of course, there was the
• 29:43
  Commander David Fravor incident off the coast of San Diego
• 29:46
  in 2004. And if that was our technology, the thing
• 29:51
  that puzzles me is if we had something In 2004,
• 29:55
  that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to
• 29:59
  sea level in under a second. I can't imagine that
• 30:04
  22 years later there would be no advances that it
• 30:07
  would have leaked through into mainstream technology.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Well, the energy just along with that. The energy.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's– we'd heat our homes in the winter and cool
• 30:15
  them in the summer. But then again, I always throw
• 30:18
  out the war pimps. I'm not– my daddy fought for
• 30:21
  this country and I'm not– that's their business is war
• 30:24
  and their business.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Is very good.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Um, they, they will quickly, um, you know, stand up and, and,
• 30:32
  and trash a guy like favor. Um, he was, um,
• 30:34
  he testified before our committee and I was, I was
• 30:38
  taken by what he said. I know him pretty well now,
• 30:40
  but we, um, you know, we had the committee, which
• 30:43
  was crazy. Uh, we, uh, me and Luna and, um,
• 30:49
  a bunch of others got together and said, man, we
• 30:51
  ain't got to do this committee. This is, we need
• 30:53
  to do this. And so I went to the chairman
• 30:55
  and he said, sure. And then they sort of blew
• 30:59
  it off. And then, then they want, and I go
• 31:01
  see the staff, uh, of these committees. And that's, that's the,
• 31:05
  that's the real problem in Washington. Reagan said it best. Don't,
• 31:08
  don't term limit politicians, term limit staff. You know, I
• 31:11
  go in there and I'm told, yeah, well, I think
• 31:14
  we want to just talk about this Chinese hot air balloons.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: What we want to really talk about. I said, no,
• 31:19
  hell no, that's not, excuse my language. Heck no.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Um, We want to talk about that gum UFOs, what
• 31:26
  people are calling us about constantly. I mean, it was
• 31:29
  just getting so much airplay. And then I was told
• 31:33
  by some old timers, which was kind of cool. They
• 31:35
  said that, you know, Tim, I've been here. Some of
• 31:38
  them have been here 10, 15 years. And so that
• 31:40
  was the most attended committee that they could remember. They
• 31:42
  had to open up another room so people could be there.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I walked out. I was on Fox that morning. And
• 31:48
  I was going out. I left my office at 430
• 31:51
  in the morning.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: And I was outside, and I remember it was hot
• 31:55
  because it was summertime, and there was people already outside
• 31:59
  lining up that had come from all over the country
• 32:02
  on their own dime. I mean, these weren't like wealthy people.
• 32:04
  I mean, one guy said, this is our vacation this year.
• 32:07
  We're coming to this dadgum committee meeting, and Joe, they
• 32:10
  were lined up around the hall, around everywhere, and that's
• 32:14
  where I met Sean Ryan and a bunch of people,
• 32:18
  and it was just, it was amazing to me, and
• 32:20
  That's when Congress started paying attention to it because they
• 32:23
  realized the voters are paying attention to it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that might be the only way to
• 32:27
  put pressure on them. The thing about the alternative energy sources,
• 32:32
  one of the things that I was thinking is that
• 32:34
  if you were involved in whatever, petroleum, like whatever your
• 32:40
  business is and there's.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Something that's coming along. Put them out of business.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Them and the Pentagon. That was my point on the Pentagon.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Put them out of business. Put the oil companies out
• 32:49
  of business. Because this thing wasn't even showing a dadgum
• 32:51
  heat signature. If a blackbird flies across my farm, it's
• 32:55
  going to put out a dadgum heat signature. And through
• 33:00
  all the technology we had, they called them the Tic Tac.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Tic Tacs. Yeah, they look like the little men. And
• 33:07
  that's what they were.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: That's what Commander David Fravor saw.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And not only saw, but there's video footage of it.
• 33:13
  There's radar footage of it. It's exhibiting travel that's just.
• 33:17
  beyond comprehension for modern technology, for current state technology.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: But if these people were working on some sort of
• 33:26
  new energy source or some sort of new propulsion system,
• 33:30
  and you've got to imagine there's a very small amount
• 33:33
  of people that are on the cutting edge of whatever
• 33:36
  this stuff is. If this is like groundbreaking technology that's
• 33:41
  not known by mainstream physicists or whoever's working on it,
• 33:46
  and you only have a small group of people, if
• 33:48
  you whack one of them, you put a big stop
• 33:51
  to any progress, especially if you get the main people,
• 33:55
  the lead scientist, and that guy winds up getting assassinated
• 33:58
  or winds up in some... Disappears. Disappears. The one lady
• 34:01
  was the weird one. So she's walking with her.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Is she hiking or something?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yes. Walking with her friend. Her friend turns around and
• 34:09
  talks to her, and then... walks a little further, turns
• 34:12
  around to say something again, and she's gone, just gone.
• 34:16
  And they bring in dogs. They have cadaver dogs. They
• 34:20
  can't find her. There's no trace. No one's seen her since.
• 34:22
  And this lady was apparently– wasn't she– Jamie, wasn't she
• 34:25
  involved in some sort of alternative technology, alternative– Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I think she was on a pack. Metallurgy was her deal.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: So you think these– whatever this craft or whatever have
• 34:37
  to be something. And I said this earlier on one time,
• 34:42
  and it made a lot of sense. I was surprised
• 34:44
  at something I said did, but it sort of stuck.
• 34:46
  You know, it's like, well, why don't they just bring
• 34:48
  it all out now if they've got it?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've got.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: The technology to figure out what the heck it is. Like,
• 34:53
  I ride motorcycles. I got an old 47 Indian Chief.
• 34:57
  If I were to take that thing back to the
• 35:00
  when they came over in the Mayflower, you know, they
• 35:02
  would see it and think that's kind of unusual. They
• 35:04
  might worship his as a God. I know I sometimes
• 35:07
  do when I go out to the garage, but, but, uh,
• 35:10
  but you know, they're gonna, they're not going to be
• 35:12
  able to adjust the valves.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna know what the heck spark plug is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: They probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to
• 35:17
  make a fuel with a high enough octane for the
• 35:19
  thing to kick over.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Um, and, and I think that, and they might polish it.
• 35:24
  They might get it started. And I think that's sort
• 35:27
  of where we're at with this stuff, Joe. I think it's, uh,
• 35:30
  I think a lot of them have something and they
• 35:33
  just don't know what the heck to do with it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it. And that was
• 35:36
  his take on it when he was working there in 1989.
• 35:39
  He said they understood how to turn it on. They
• 35:42
  didn't exactly understand how it worked or what it did.
• 35:45
  And they wanted him to try to figure it out.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Those guys that came to my house, they talked about
• 35:52
  that and how something could travel at these light years.
• 35:56
  And one of them was an astrophysicist and And I
• 35:59
  don't really understand astrophysics, but it took me six years
• 36:03
  to get out of UT and I didn't drink or
• 36:05
  smoke pot. So I'm just going to elaborate a little
• 36:07
  bit if that's all right with you, brother. Having a
• 36:10
  green shop, technological and adult education. I can fix your lawnmower.
• 36:13
  I can burn your house down if you need it wired,
• 36:15
  but I'll always have a job. So you got something
• 36:18
  vibrating over here and then instantly it's over here. And
• 36:21
  that's sort of the way they explained it, put it
• 36:23
  on my level to understand it. And to me, it
• 36:26
  proves that there's a God. I mean, because it's an
• 36:28
  instantaneous travel that we don't quite comprehend. Now, is there
• 36:32
  friction involved? And that's where the, when they see these
• 36:37
  blobs out there that are floating around, they, that are
• 36:42
  lit up. I've had several people tell me about that,
• 36:44
  how these, there was one incident where they surrounded a
• 36:49
  group of our aircraft and it was, and a lot
• 36:55
  of them deal with nuclear weapons. It seems that we're
• 36:58
  around some nukes. We've had I always remember I went in,
• 37:01
  and it's been a long time since you had a
• 37:03
  man bun, so I'm going to knock on this. I
• 37:06
  had this bureaucrat with a dadgum man bun telling me.
• 37:09
  I asked him about a certain incident, and he said, oh,
• 37:11
  we don't have data points on that, Congressman.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, what about this deal? And he said,
• 37:15
  I don't know what you're talking about. I said, well,
• 37:17
  Google it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Everybody in the world knows about we had a nuclear
• 37:21
  power plant that had these things fly over, and the
• 37:24
  dadgum thing shut down. I mean, it's been documented. It
• 37:27
  has been documented unequivocally. And, you know, and, and that's,
• 37:32
  and then, then you have members of Congress go, well,
• 37:34
  they said it didn't exist. So we're out, you know,
• 37:35
  I'm good. And I'm like, no, no, I'm sitting there
• 37:38
  reading these officers that are obviously very, I read people.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: God gives us all a gift. My gift is reading somebody.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: And I was reading these, these military officers and, you know,
• 37:50
  they had the full, they had all of it. You know,
• 37:52
  they'd been serving for a while and some of them
• 37:54
  had done some things and I could just sit there
• 37:57
  reading them. They're thinking, this little twerp right here beside me,
• 38:00
  I'd choke him out if I could, you know what
• 38:02
  I mean? They were just like, no, not at me,
• 38:05
  at him, at him, because they wanted to tell something.
• 38:09
  And this was a Biden appointee and, you know, it just, and, and, and,
• 38:13
  and that's a lot of the times we are, I
• 38:15
  was in one situation, I'll just call it where they
• 38:19
  sent somebody in basically just to disrupt and, you know,
• 38:22
  to throw at, um, at, at, at, at a witness. And, um,
• 38:27
  And that witness just, it was like a, he was
• 38:29
  like a pro ball player hitting T-ball, man. He was
• 38:32
  just knocking them out of the dadgum park every question.
• 38:35
  What about, and he gave a date and he said, oh,
• 38:37
  you're talking about this incident. Well, let me tell you
• 38:39
  what happened there. And, and he would go through everything
• 38:42
  and it was, and it was beautiful.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: It was beautiful.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: And then he got disgusted and ended up leaving the meeting. And,
• 38:49
  you know, and, and that's, they, they send people in
• 38:51
  to disrupt. They're just not going to turn. And I
• 38:54
  don't know if the fact that And the corruption.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: In Washington, D.C.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Is not like it used to be. You know, it's
• 38:59
  not like, oh, I got a picture of you sleeping
• 39:02
  with some hooker over in Istanbul.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You know, oh, make copies. I want to take it
• 39:06
  to my buddies. I mean, that's about what you'd get now.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: But the way it is now is, I think, is
• 39:12
  that some members have a family member or a wife
• 39:16
  and or girlfriend that could work for one of these groups.
• 39:20
  And they're told, hey, you want to keep your dadgum
• 39:22
  job or you want these pictures to come out or whatever.
• 39:26
  We need a little help here. And then they go
• 39:28
  disrupt and come into the community. meetings and ask ridiculous
• 39:31
  questions to try to get a partisan fight going. And
• 39:35
  maybe some of them do it unbeknownst to them what
• 39:37
  they're being told to do, but they do it because
• 39:41
  they're just lapdogs.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: So there's a strategy where they have a bunch of
• 39:44
  people that they sort of compromise as disruptors.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And they and they are compromised. Exactly.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: That's the word. I was on a I'm going to
• 39:53
  say another one. I was on the Benny show early
• 39:55
  when he was early on. And and I was talking
• 39:58
  to Johnson.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And so he's been very kind to me. And so
• 40:03
  he he asked me about how do they do it?
• 40:06
  And I said, well, they used to do this thing
• 40:07
  called the honeypot. You know, they you'd go to some
• 40:10
  you go. I never go on trips. The only trip
• 40:12
  I've ever been on a Codale was to the border
• 40:15
  down here. down in Texas, and I went down for
• 40:20
  one day, flew down here, saw the border, saw all
• 40:22
  the people coming over the border, got in an airplane,
• 40:25
  flew home. It was about an 18-hour trip. It wasn't
• 40:28
  any luxury. I stayed in a room that my buddies
• 40:30
  at the frat house would have probably asked for our
• 40:32
  money back in. It was pretty rough, you know. Got
• 40:35
  some good barbecue, though. But anyway, so these guys go
• 40:40
  on these trips, and say you're sitting down at the bar.
• 40:43
  I mean, you're a good-looking guy. Some girl comes up
• 40:46
  to you or some guy, whatever your interest, whatever your
• 40:48
  proclivities are, and laughing at your jokes. And, you know,
• 40:51
  next thing you know, you're up in the bedroom naked
• 40:55
  with them. And then you think, man, I pulled this off.
• 40:58
  I was at this smoke show, and my wife and
• 41:00
  kids don't know about it. And I'm just going to,
• 41:02
  you know, just between me and the Lord. And then,
• 41:06
  you know, you're getting ready to make a key vote.
• 41:09
  And a staffer comes up or a lobbyist or something.
• 41:12
  You're in the hall and says, hey, congressman.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, man, how's it going? He said, he
• 41:16
  got this big boat. Yeah, but I'm not for y'all
• 41:19
  on this one. Okay, we understand.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: He said, hey, were you in a motel room in
• 41:24
  Istanbul with a pretty redhead one time?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: And they say, man, I don't want that out. It'll
• 41:29
  wreck my mom. We don't want it out. We just
• 41:31
  need your help. And that's how they sink their claws
• 41:34
  into you. They used to. And they might do that now.
• 41:36
  But I was on the Benny show, and I was
• 41:38
  talking about that. Oh, man, I caught it. I mean,
• 41:41
  it was leadership and members. Man. Everybody thinks we're sleeping around.
• 41:45
  I said, no, I didn't say everybody. I just said
• 41:47
  some of y'all are.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, don't– and every day you can–
• 41:51
  there's a new one getting in trouble, so it's not
• 41:53
  any big secret. 435 of us, so. You get 435.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: People, you're going to add a few freaks in there. Oh. 435.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Group of any human beings.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Especially, you know, if you can compromise a man with
• 42:09
  beautiful women. It's not that hard to do.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Or if they're– If they're gay and they don't want
• 42:13
  it out in their public or whatever. So I said
• 42:17
  this to Benny and I caught it. And then about
• 42:21
  a week later, a week later, and I said it's
• 42:24
  probably the Chinese, the Russians or something. They busted a
• 42:27
  Chinese prostitution ring. And what did they list as their clientele?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Lobbyist, government, employees and politicians.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And then what happened the next week? That story went away.
• 42:40
  And Benny does this thing. He showed me walking out,
• 42:43
  and I throw a match, and whatever behind me just
• 42:47
  bursts into flames, and I'm walking out. It's really cool.
• 42:51
  He also did a song of me singing Dad Gum,
• 42:53
  which is my cuss.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't cuss. I say Dad Gum, and he did that.
• 42:56
  But anyway, that was my point, is that they use
• 42:59
  this stuff, and they know what we want. These guys,
• 43:02
  these countries, they own the Internet, so they know which
• 43:06
  porn you look at in the privacy of your home
• 43:08
  that you think you're. You know, you got this private
• 43:11
  name on your freaking computer and they know, you know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And so that's what they're going to hit you with.
• 43:17
  So anyway, that's a long story. But I think mostly
• 43:20
  it's just jobs now.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Mostly jobs and influence and figuring out what you think about.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: You get a dirt bag, you're going to get him
• 43:26
  to sleep with some hooker. You know, that's going to happen,
• 43:29
  you know, eventually too. But I just don't know if
• 43:32
  it's that prevalent. And I had a lobbyist tell me
• 43:34
  one time. He was, his name was Tom Hensley. He
• 43:37
  was the Golden Goose. He was a liquor lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee.
• 43:40
  And he was a caricature of what a lobbyist is.
• 43:42
  He had a three-piece suit, big old cowboy boots, smoking
• 43:45
  a cigar. And we were at the Crown Plaza. He
• 43:48
  liked me because I never would vote for his liquor bills,
• 43:51
  but I never would vote for.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: A tax on him either.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: So he, we were there and the guy from the
• 43:58
  governor's office came and just chewed both of us out.
• 44:01
  You know, just treated me, I'm a legislator and he
• 44:02
  was treating me like a dog. And Goose was sitting
• 44:06
  back there, and he had that fancy Jack Daniels black
• 44:09
  label or whatever it is, the fancy version of it is,
• 44:11
  because he represented Jack Daniels.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It was made in Tennessee.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: And he pulls that big $ 5 cigar out of him mouth,
• 44:16
  and he goes, Birchett. He goes, Governor's come and go,
• 44:20
  but the old Goose will be sitting right here. And
• 44:23
  I said, well, what are you going to do, Goose?
• 44:24
  He's going to shut you down, man. You're going to
• 44:26
  tell all these people stuff? He goes, Birchett, I just
• 44:29
  need one chairman. I don't need the whole– in one
• 44:32
  body of the house, in the House or the Senate,
• 44:34
  I just need one chairman that will listen to me.
• 44:37
  He wasn't saying– he never did anything crooked in front
• 44:39
  of me and he never offered me any bribes or anything.
• 44:41
  But that was a good lesson to learn as a
• 44:44
  young man when I was in the state legislature.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Well, if you just think about how much money congresspeople
• 44:49
  wind up leaving office with, just that alone is incentive
• 44:53
  to play ball.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: You don't mean– you don't think we're making 16,000 percent
• 44:57
  on our own knowledge?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: My daughter called me a while back and said, Dad.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: And she's super smart. She can do anything. I'm a veterinarian, doctor,
• 45:09
  brain surgeon. She's crazy smart. I married my wife and
• 45:12
  adopted her. My wife was a widow, so genetically she's
• 45:15
  not mine. But when she gets into trouble, my wife says,
• 45:17
  that's all you, Tim Burton. But she's an exceptional little girl.
• 45:21
  And she said, Dad, I think I'd just like to
• 45:23
  cut hair. And I was like, right on, girl. You
• 45:26
  go and do it. and that's what she does. I mean,
• 45:29
  she's going to school to do that. So I cashed
• 45:31
  out my $ 11, 000 portfolio, which was a mutual fund, because
• 45:36
  I think, and I don't own any individual stocks, but
• 45:39
  I think that members of Congress ought to do that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That was my bill. More people have played professional baseball
• 45:47
  than have ever been in Congress. It's a very tight.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And I tell people, if you don't get off that
• 45:56
  dadgum plane and look at that Capitol and get chill bumps,
• 45:59
  you need to get your butt back on that plane
• 46:00
  and go home because we don't need you there. And
• 46:03
  everybody knocks on Pelosi, and I know that. But out
• 46:05
  of the top 10, you know where she is in
• 46:08
  the amount of trades?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Where is she at?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Number 11. She's not even in the.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Top 10, dude.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Well, she should get a better PR person.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It's crazy because everybody uses her as an example.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I know, but she don't care. I mean, if you
• 46:20
  were making 16,000%, would you care?
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I would be a little concerned that someone would come
• 46:25
  for me.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: She's all right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal. That's the most
• 46:30
  bizarre thing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's not right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It's not right, but it's legal. And I just said, look,
• 46:36
  you cash out everything. You put it in a mutual fund.
• 46:39
  And I know they got this bill, and everybody's all
• 46:41
  fired up for it. And I don't know what I'm
• 46:44
  going to do about it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Which bill?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They got a new bill. They don't like my bill.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Mine and Luna's bill that says that you can't own
• 46:51
  individual stocks.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Just own a mutual fund. They're going to let you
• 46:54
  keep your portfolio.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Some of these cats got a $ 20 million dadgum portfolio.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: They make $ 170, 000 a year, which is amazing. Imagine the
• 47:03
  average person out there making $ 170, 000 and all of a
• 47:07
  sudden they make $ 100 million in the stock market.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: We're involved. Not all of them are crooked. Some of
• 47:17
  them are geniuses.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I've been in Congress with some real geniuses, but If
• 47:21
  you see– I'll give you a case in point, all right?
• 47:24
  And I've said this many times, and nobody's come after
• 47:27
  me and said– they told me to quit saying it,
• 47:30
  but I don't care.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I got to have them First Amendment. I don't care.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: They can't come to East Tennessee and try to beat me.
• 47:36
  But they– I forgot what I was saying now, man.
• 47:41
  I've lost my mind. I guess that's the part you're
• 47:43
  going to.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Have to cut out. No, we're talking about insider trading.
• 47:47
  We're talking about the amount of money that people generate.
• 47:50
  That's where we're at. We were talking about bills.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Someone's a genius, really good at it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think. I forgot it. I've got
• 47:56
  so many one-liners in my head, Joe. I should have
• 47:59
  written all these down.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But anyway, not all of them are crooked.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Some of them really are that good.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know what it was. It was when Russia
• 48:13
  invaded Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for that.
• 48:16
  It's not our dadgum war. I don't know. keep my
• 48:20
  dollars here. We need to defend our own dadgum borders. Well,
• 48:24
  Joe Biden, for better or for worse, gave Ukraine basically
• 48:27
  our missile defense system. So immediately we had to replenish
• 48:31
  our missile defense system. Now, who do you think owns
• 48:35
  stock in those missile defense systems? Members of Congress.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Members of Congress. And apparently some of them had bought
• 48:43
  it fairly close to those time periods.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And so I don't know. Are they doing something crooked?
• 48:50
  I mean, you can't prove it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, if it's not crooked, they know things that would
• 48:55
  help them. They know things are coming.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Remove all reproach. And if you've got a $ 20 million.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Portfolio or whatever, some probably have more than that, you
• 49:03
  know good and dadgum well, you're going to vote. It's
• 49:06
  in the back of your mind you're going to vote
• 49:08
  to make my investment worth a little more.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the possibility of financial windfall would probably– Make people.
• 49:20
  play ball.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Which makes sense which makes sense i mean human nature
• 49:24
  you got you got guys up there that are that
• 49:28
  you know they've got they got expenses at home got
• 49:32
  a couple kids in school got payments on a house
• 49:35
  you know and 170 000 doesn't go as far as
• 49:36
  it used to i.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Guess And they– just human nature. You want more. People
• 49:43
  want more. They want whatever it is.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: And a lot of times it's not them investing. It's
• 49:50
  their wife or their spouse. We've seen cases of that
• 49:54
  where a 16-year-old kid is doing pretty well.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And it's the child of someone who has some inside information.
• 50:03
  There's something that just came out yesterday about Ro Khanna.
• 50:06
  A guy, Kevin Bass, on Twitter posted this big, long–
• 50:11
  this examination of his stock trades and how much money
• 50:14
  he's made and how he's made it and what he's done.
• 50:18
  There's– I mean it's just all over Congress. You have
• 50:22
  inside information. That's what it is.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: That's disappointing. I know, Roe.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: But– I don't know if it's true.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I mean you could pull it up if you want, Jamie.
• 50:31
  Kevin Bass, B-A-S-S. It's Bass or Bass. I'm not sure
• 50:35
  how to pronounce his last name. But he made this
• 50:38
  very detailed post about it. But, I mean, that's just
• 50:41
  one example of one person who's profited. I'm sure it's
• 50:46
  probably minor in comparison to the other 11 that are
• 50:49
  ahead of Nancy Pelosi.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I sleep on my couch in my office and I
• 50:53
  shower in the gym. I don't have a place. I
• 50:56
  can't afford it. It's too expensive up there. I got
• 50:59
  elected with a guy one time and he said, when
• 51:02
  we got elected, he said, hey, Burchard.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I just paid $ 1. 2 million for this place. What do
• 51:06
  you think?
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: And I know he was just bragging to me, you know,
• 51:08
  because no way I could do something like that. And
• 51:11
  he said, and I said, well, probably in a couple
• 51:13
  of years they're going to say I can't believe you
• 51:15
  only paid $ 1. 2 million for it because the price of
• 51:18
  that real estate up there is just crazy. It is crazy.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And it's a rich man's game. It was really a
• 51:26
  rich man's game.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And the problem with being around rich men is even
• 51:30
  if you're rich, you don't feel like you're rich if
• 51:32
  you're in comparison to them. And so if you're worth
• 51:35
  a couple million and this guy over here is worth 50,
• 51:37
  you're like, damn, I've got to up my game.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I've got to up my game.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And you're in this sort of culture, this culture of
• 51:43
  a bunch of people that are investing a bunch of
• 51:45
  money and making a bunch of returns.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, it was a public meeting. I
• 51:49
  remember it was in transportation. It dealt with some technology
• 51:52
  in an airport, and it was pretty cool. And I
• 51:56
  just asked the question. I said, is your stock publicly traded?
• 52:00
  I was watching people see what they did, and they
• 52:04
  all looked up. And I thought, note to self, call
• 52:07
  my broker when I walk out of here.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: It's just very odd that that has been legal for
• 52:15
  so long. That's what's very odd.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's disgusting.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: And here's what we're going to do. We'll pass some bill.
• 52:21
  And the Senate will pass another bill or phone just
• 52:23
  won't take it up, which is we're seeing a lot
• 52:25
  of now. It won't take anything up and it'll die.
• 52:28
  And we'll all go back back to our people and say, oh, look,
• 52:32
  I tried to do this. I voted for this bill. But,
• 52:35
  you know, I didn't get a I didn't get a
• 52:37
  dadgum break, you know.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And look how tough we are.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: And, you know, and they'll all be up at Kennebunkport
• 52:45
  sipping expensive wine and toasting each other on their great
• 52:48
  financial choices.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: That's where Bush is from, right?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I think they're from Kennebunkport, Maine.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just threw that one out. It's the only
• 52:56
  place I could think of. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina for
• 52:59
  somebody like me would be pretty cool.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: So one of the things about this disclosure thing, the
• 53:05
  documentary Age of Disclosure, and you're in that. It's really great.
• 53:10
  If you haven't seen it, folks, and you're interested in
• 53:12
  the UFO phenomenon, one of the fascinating aspects about Age
• 53:17
  of Disclosure is– You got all these insider people that
• 53:21
  are all talking about all these different experiences that people
• 53:23
  have had and all the stuff that people know. And
• 53:27
  one subject came up that made a lot of sense
• 53:30
  and it was that if there have been back engineering
• 53:34
  programs and they have had access to all this technology
• 53:39
  and they've had crashed vehicles and biological entities and they've
• 53:44
  been– all these programs studying this for so long, they
• 53:47
  had to have funding. So if they had funding, that
• 53:50
  means they had a lot of Congress. So if they
• 53:52
  had a lot of Congress, there's misappropriation of funds. So
• 53:54
  you're talking about massive felonies. So if they don't have
• 53:59
  some sort of amnesty, and this is one of the
• 54:00
  things that's pushed throughout this entire documentary, is that we
• 54:04
  need some kind of mass amnesty. I'm a very skeptical person.
• 54:09
  I see something like that. I'm like, okay, I see
• 54:10
  what you're doing. You are talking about UFOs so you
• 54:15
  can get some sort of amnesty for misappropriation of funds.
• 54:19
  And that might just be straight up fraud. There might
• 54:22
  be fraud and theft and you might have moved money
• 54:26
  into offshore accounts and there's a bunch of shady shit.
• 54:30
  And you could say, oh, but we'll tell you some
• 54:33
  very obscure information about UAPs. I don't like that term
• 54:38
  because it was always UFOs.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: UFOs, that's a misdirection. I hate that term.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Why do we need a new name? We've already had
• 54:45
  that name forever.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Let's call it what it is.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me feel sanitized. But if
• 54:53
  they can give you some fucking semi-shady information, now you've
• 54:59
  got amnesty. Now you've got amnesty. And you've got amnesty for...
• 55:03
  decades of misappropriation of funds. So maybe some of it
• 55:07
  is real. Maybe a lot of it is real. Maybe
• 55:10
  a lot of it is really back engineering programs. Maybe
• 55:13
  they really have been doing these things and maybe they
• 55:15
  can give us slowly trickle down some insight as to
• 55:19
  what's going on. It'll probably take forever if you ever
• 55:21
  get anything out of it. But in the meantime, all
• 55:24
  these people that have made who knows how much money
• 55:28
  in shady ways have With all this misappropriation of funds
• 55:32
  and now they're not in trouble anymore. Yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Representative Eric Burleson has a bill to do just that.
• 55:38
  But it's whistleblower protection is the way you need to
• 55:41
  go about that. And he can't– he's tried to get
• 55:46
  it attached to bills and they just won't allow it.
• 55:50
  They won't allow it. Or they put it on and
• 55:51
  kill it in the Senate. It's the same old game.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Joe, back and forth. So then the other problem that's
• 55:57
  brought up in Age of Disclosure is– Say if you
• 56:00
  do have a retrieved craft from wherever, another planet, another dimension,
• 56:08
  whatever it is, from the ocean, whatever it is, and
• 56:11
  you need to study this thing, where are you bringing
• 56:14
  it to? Most likely, you're going to bring it to
• 56:16
  a weapons manufacturing company.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And so if you do that, well, what about the
• 56:21
  other companies? They don't have access to that? Well, then
• 56:23
  they can sue. I'm thinking why didn't I get access
• 56:26
  to that sort of technology? Why does this person– you've
• 56:28
  damaged my business or what have you. And also people
• 56:34
  probably lied under oath about whether or not those things
• 56:36
  exist or what– where they got certain technologies. I mean
• 56:42
  there's a bunch of different reasons why you could see
• 56:44
  why– logical reasons why you could see why they would
• 56:48
  try to put the brakes on disclosure and try to
• 56:50
  put some blockades up and try to obfuscate and make
• 56:53
  things much more difficult to get through.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I agree. A hundred percent.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think these folks disappearing and dying
• 57:02
  unexpectedly are.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Delivering some of those messages.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: And members of Congress will, you know, several of the
• 57:10
  people that have been involved that are really heavily into
• 57:14
  it now, they were real skeptics. We kind of brought
• 57:16
  them in. I needed some skeptics. It couldn't just all
• 57:18
  be a bunch of folks that thought like I did.
• 57:21
  And they're now not skeptics.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Can you give me some examples of how that happened?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Well, we had a committee meeting. And my buddy Eric Burleson,
• 57:30
  for instance, he was a skeptic. And I mean, I'm
• 57:35
  a skeptic of a lot of it myself, but I
• 57:37
  just have been studying for so damn long. And he,
• 57:41
  you know, he He was in the committee, and he's
• 57:44
  asking very poignant, sharp questions, which is what you're supposed
• 57:48
  to do in a hearing. And he's one of the
• 57:54
  biggest advocates now for total release of everything. He's always
• 57:59
  at the forefront of writing legislation when we're doing something. Me, him,
• 58:04
  and Luna, Jared Moskowitz on the Democrat side is involved
• 58:10
  in it a lot. And other members will come in
• 58:14
  and say, hey, I want to be read into this
• 58:17
  committee or whatever, which means they can come on when
• 58:19
  we do the UFO stuff. But nothing really had the
• 58:23
  impact as that first committee meeting. And I told people
• 58:27
  at the end of it, I was recognized at the end,
• 58:28
  I said, the one thing about, and Nancy Mace, of course,
• 58:31
  she's involved with as well. And one thing at the end,
• 58:35
  I said, you know, I just want you all to
• 58:37
  know that people do believe you. This is not some
• 58:41
  crazy far out thing and you all are have a
• 58:44
  right to be skeptical and and and ask questions to
• 58:48
  your government and get these answers because we're not going
• 58:51
  to give it to you without without y'all without y'all
• 58:54
  being there and raising these questions.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Well there's too many stories from too many credible people
• 58:59
  too many people like ryan graves too many people like
• 59:01
  commander david fravor there's too many people that just go
• 59:04
  i don't know why this person would lie about this one.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Thing can i tell you one that i got on
• 59:09
  I was in the state legislature with a guy and
• 59:14
  and he was watching.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Unknown aliens or something. And they. They film you one time,
• 59:21
  and then they use you for like three years.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, Ancient Aliens?
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens. I'm sorry.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: That show's great.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I love that show. I love those guys.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: They're all great.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Giorgio.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Giorgio Suclus with his crazy hair.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I love that guy.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I think he's Greek. I need to get him an
• 59:35
  oxal for the Greek festival. But anyway, he'd be a
• 59:39
  rock star there. So, again, we're, you know. I'm losing
• 59:45
  my train of thought here, Joe. I don't even smoke weed,
• 59:47
  and I'm losing my train of thought. What were we
• 59:49
  talking about here? I hope you edit some of this
• 59:50
  because I.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Look like an idiot. We're not editing shit. We were
• 59:52
  talking about disclosure.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, disclosure.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: We were talking about things that people see.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: And credible people.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: So I pick up the phone, and a buddy of
• 59:59
  mine says, Timbo? And I recognize the voice, and I said, hey, brother,
• 1:00:02
  what are you up to? We were in the state
• 1:00:04
  house together. He said, I just saw you on Ancient Aliens.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay. And I thought, here it comes,
• 1:00:09
  you know. Hey, you been probed lately?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: You know, you get that stuff from some of the
• 1:00:14
  gals in Congress. And he said, can I tell you
• 1:00:17
  a story? And I said, sure, buddy. And his voice
• 1:00:19
  kind of got quiet. And I remember he hollered at
• 1:00:21
  his wife. He said, hey, said her name. And he said,
• 1:00:26
  what year was that? It was when he was in
• 1:00:28
  the Navy. And she said it was, and she gave
• 1:00:30
  the date. It was, I think, in the 50s. And
• 1:00:32
  he was out on a boat. And I don't know,
• 1:00:34
  you know, a battleship from an aircraft carrier. But anyway,
• 1:00:37
  he was out on a boat. And they were arming
• 1:00:39
  a sub. with nukes. It was in the early part
• 1:00:43
  of that where the subs could launch nuclear weapons. And
• 1:00:46
  they were all out on the deck. And all of
• 1:00:48
  a sudden, there was just a cloud over them.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: He said he looked up and he saw this humongous
• 1:00:55
  saucer in the air. And he said, Timbo, if that
• 1:00:59
  thing wasn't two blocks long, I'll kiss your butt. And
• 1:01:05
  he described it to me. He gave the color.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: And it was the classic saucer. He said there was
• 1:01:11
  lights coming out of portals around it. And he said
• 1:01:15
  it made no noise whatsoever. And it just sat there
• 1:01:18
  and hovered. And they just looked up at it. And
• 1:01:21
  then it just went, it just went straight up. No noise,
• 1:01:25
  no nothing, no anything. And they were just like, what
• 1:01:30
  the heck was that? And so when they get back
• 1:01:33
  to port, the guys in the suits come on, the
• 1:01:37
  you know, the so-called men in black, I just, they're
• 1:01:39
  just spooks, CIA or something, and told them, they said,
• 1:01:42
  this is national security, if you talk about this, you'll
• 1:01:47
  be in Leavenworth the rest of your dadgum lives, busting rocks.
• 1:01:50
  And back then, you know, nobody, the cell phone wasn't invented,
• 1:01:53
  Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: What year was this?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: It would have been in the 50s, late 50s, late 50s,
• 1:02:00
  I believe, or early 60s. So, and then, but he
• 1:02:03
  gave me some descriptions of, And after this came out,
• 1:02:06
  I mean, my phone, Joe, every day when this started breaking,
• 1:02:10
  I would get– somebody would call me and send me
• 1:02:12
  pictures of something, you know.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: That's like a reflection or something, you know. And, oh,
• 1:02:17
  come out to my house.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm afraid I was going to end up
• 1:02:19
  in a freezer in North Carolina or something, you know.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: It would be somebody's dinner. And I was like, no,
• 1:02:24
  I don't want to go out there and look at it.
• 1:02:25
  Just send me a picture of it. And every day–
• 1:02:27
  but then I got a call from a guy who
• 1:02:29
  was Air Force. And I Googled him. He's legit.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: And he told me about a– a sighting he had,
• 1:02:36
  he was out, they were out fishing in Florida and,
• 1:02:40
  and it was near where one of the military bases was.
• 1:02:42
  And this thing, and he described exactly what my buddy
• 1:02:47
  had seen. And this, he saw this in the, I
• 1:02:49
  think the early eighties and, or late seventies. And he
• 1:02:53
  described this craft that was just hovering and it was
• 1:02:56
  just going along. And these, then, you know, it was
• 1:03:00
  just going on a pretty good click. And he said,
• 1:03:01
  these jets were trying to keep up with it. He
• 1:03:03
  could tell by the, you know, cause he's an air
• 1:03:05
  force guy and he was an officer and, um, it
• 1:03:09
  was a legitimate and I've since read the story that
• 1:03:12
  he told, but, um, but it was, it was strangely
• 1:03:18
  identical in the, in the, the color, the, you know,
• 1:03:23
  the texture, it was an off gray, I believe. And, um, and,
• 1:03:28
  but it didn't really matter, but it was just the
• 1:03:30
  same one that they said could have been chartreuse for
• 1:03:32
  all I know, but they, um, But the size and
• 1:03:36
  the circumference and the dome on top and the portholes
• 1:03:43
  and just everything was just very, very similar to what
• 1:03:46
  this guy had told me about just a few weeks prior.
• 1:03:49
  And when you see identical things of people that have
• 1:03:52
  no contact with each other, to me that says something.
• 1:03:55
  And with these pilots, they're risking their careers to come forward.
• 1:03:58
  And those engineers in Age of Discovery– That come forward.
• 1:04:02
  Their reputations and everything are on the line.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: These aren't rich people. They can't just retire.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: No, and they're good folks.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I've hung out with them when they had the world premiere,
• 1:04:12
  which was something else. Me standing on a red carpet,
• 1:04:16
  a little out of place at a.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Film festival. Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: No, I'm sure. I avoid those things. They're weird. But
• 1:04:25
  this subject, when you talk about, them appearing over bases,
• 1:04:31
  appearing over aircraft carriers, appearing over submarines that have nuclear capability.
• 1:04:37
  It kind of makes sense that if you were from
• 1:04:40
  another planet or you're from another dimension or wherever it
• 1:04:42
  is and you're monitoring what seems to be the most
• 1:04:46
  intelligent species and the most capable species on the planet,
• 1:04:49
  that when they would get access to something like that,
• 1:04:53
  like All the UFO sightings ramped up considerably after World
• 1:04:57
  War II. After we dropped the bombs.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: We dropped the bomb.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There was a considerable amount of activity. You know,
• 1:05:04
  that's when Kenneth Arnold first saw those things and talked
• 1:05:08
  about them as flying saucers.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Called them flying saucers.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: That was in Washington State?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: They looked like stones skipping across. They looked like little saucers.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: So that's where the term first got. Introduced into the
• 1:05:22
  modern world. And then you see so many of them
• 1:05:26
  and then you hear these stories about them going flying
• 1:05:28
  over nuclear bases and hovering over and shutting down the equipment.
• 1:05:33
  And just the fact that they would hover over that
• 1:05:35
  submarine and then take off just to let you know, like.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That's probably what we can do.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It's probably a smart move if you if you don't
• 1:05:43
  want to completely intervene and like kidnap people and shut
• 1:05:47
  down the government and land on the White House lawn
• 1:05:49
  and freak everybody out. What better way than to take
• 1:05:53
  something that's completely isolated like a submarine in the ocean
• 1:05:56
  where you know everybody is going to lock everything down
• 1:05:58
  top secret and just show yourself and just like, hey, bitch,
• 1:06:03
  like we're here. We're here and we are watching everything.
• 1:06:09
  So don't do anything fucking stupid.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: You talked about that issue or episode.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I remember when they– at first I've never been invited back,
• 1:06:18
  of course, but the intelligence committee– when they did the
• 1:06:22
  UFO thing and there was, they had these, all these
• 1:06:24
  seats and it was an open to the open to
• 1:06:27
  the everybody, Congress and the press and everybody. And they
• 1:06:31
  had all these seats behind these, this white, this white
• 1:06:33
  guy and this black guy who were appointed to oversee
• 1:06:37
  the UAP issue, which, um, and I remembered, I thought
• 1:06:40
  I'm going to get there early, get the seat down front.
• 1:06:43
  And I sat right behind those guys and nobody else
• 1:06:46
  showed up. I was the only member of Congress outside
• 1:06:48
  of the members in the, in the, um, on the committee,
• 1:06:52
  and Joe, those guys couldn't spell UFO. I mean, they
• 1:06:55
  were intelligent. They were, I'm sure they were patriots. They
• 1:07:00
  had no clue about anything. There's questions asked about certain incidents,
• 1:07:05
  and we don't know anything about that. And I thought
• 1:07:09
  to myself, that's when the compartmentalization came to, in my mind,
• 1:07:14
  how they compartmentalize that stuff, because to them, they could
• 1:07:16
  take a lie detector test and say, I don't know
• 1:07:19
  anything about it, because they are kept away It's like
• 1:07:22
  they're looking down the barrel of a.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: 22 rifle, man. It's just a little bitty area, and
• 1:07:26
  they don't get outside that area. Of course. And they
• 1:07:27
  don't ask questions unless they're told.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And if you want to keep your career, that's how
• 1:07:32
  you have to operate.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: And your pension and everything else.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: It makes sense. That aspect of it makes sense. What
• 1:07:39
  doesn't totally make sense is why now disclosure other than,
• 1:07:47
  I mean this is being cynical. The Iran war is
• 1:07:50
  not going very well. American public is very upset. A
• 1:07:53
  lot of people don't think we should have ever been
• 1:07:54
  involved in that in the first place and we need
• 1:07:56
  some good news. I think we– We need something to
• 1:08:00
  distract us. We need something to take our focus off.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Of– If I was going to do it, now would
• 1:08:05
  be the time I'd do it. But I don't think
• 1:08:07
  Trump really even cares. I think he just wants to
• 1:08:10
  get it out there.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he does too. He's talked about it
• 1:08:13
  and he's.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Also– trying to get everybody off target by disclosing UFOs.
• 1:08:22
  I think he cares about all of it, but I
• 1:08:24
  don't think he cares that if you're talking about it
• 1:08:26
  or not. I just think he genuinely sees that America
• 1:08:30
  needs to know this stuff.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Well, he also realizes America wants to know it. And
• 1:08:35
  he's an outsider. I mean, even though he's the president,
• 1:08:37
  he is in a lot of ways, he's an outsider.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Mean, this is his last term. Right? And so it's
• 1:08:44
  like if you're going to– if someone is going to
• 1:08:45
  do it, do it. You want to leave a legacy?
• 1:08:47
  Be the guy who releases all these files and lets
• 1:08:50
  everybody know.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I've tried to kill him three times. Yeah. So it's
• 1:08:53
  not– and that ain't no– Did you see.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: That judge that apologized to the guy that– did you
• 1:08:59
  see the story? No.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: No. OK.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: The guy who was at the White House Correspondents Dinner
• 1:09:04
  that shot one of the Secret Service agents and the
• 1:09:06
  guy got arrested?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: The judge who's dealing with the case apologized to him
• 1:09:11
  for his treatment in jail. Do you have that, Jamie?
• 1:09:15
  See if you can find that.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: He should have gotten some quality stick time.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: This is another guy. This judge also released another man
• 1:09:23
  who was arrested for threatening to kill Trump.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Oh. Trump derangement syndrome is real, dude. It's ridiculous.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: The way this guy addressed this man, it's almost as
• 1:09:34
  if he was condoning it. Look at it. It says,
• 1:09:36
  the indictment comes the day after the judge overseeing the
• 1:09:38
  case against Allen expressed grave concerns. about how he's being
• 1:09:42
  treated in jail and apologized to him in court. You're
• 1:09:45
  talking about a guy who showed up with a rifle
• 1:09:48
  or a shotgun.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Shotgun.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Shot a Secret Service agent, obviously in the vest. The
• 1:09:52
  guy's okay. But whatever you've been through, I apologize for
• 1:09:56
  the prior week. Magistrate Judge Zia Faruqui, I don't know
• 1:10:02
  if I'm saying that right, said during a hearing in Washington, D.C.
• 1:10:05
  on Monday, according to the court documents filed over the weekend,
• 1:10:08
  Allen had been in solitary confinement. Oh, poor baby. At
• 1:10:11
  the D.C. jail, after being placed on suicide watch after
• 1:10:14
  his arrest on April 25th, his lawyers said that he
• 1:10:17
  was housed in a permanently illuminated safe cell with no
• 1:10:21
  access to personal items or jail visits, despite repeated assessments
• 1:10:25
  showing he did not exhibit any suicide factors. In an
• 1:10:29
  order issued on Sunday, Faruqui wrote that he had grave
• 1:10:34
  concerns about the conditions Allen was being kept in, which
• 1:10:37
  he said were seemingly unprompted by the facts of the
• 1:10:40
  case and It could drive a person crazy to be
• 1:10:43
  in that situation for what we said during Monday's hearing.
• 1:10:46
  That is really crazy. That is really a crazy thing
• 1:10:52
  to apologize for someone who is trying to at least
• 1:10:56
  assume– you're assuming he was trying to kill the president.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: The guy has been programmed to do this. He immediately
• 1:11:02
  turns from one way to the other overnight almost and
• 1:11:08
  this is– We're seeing this.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: More and more, I think.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? You guys have been programmed?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I think these people are.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: You mean like MKUltra type programming? 100%. Really?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I think so, but it's a different. You know, MK,
• 1:11:21
  you're the expert on it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not really.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Don't say that.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: No. I don't want to get you bumped off here.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Let somebody else go start your car when you walk
• 1:11:32
  out there and wait 30 minutes.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: I know nothing. But, you know, the CIA, they.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Were grabbing these people up and giving them, I guess,
• 1:11:41
  acid or LSD, whatever, and then programming them. And then
• 1:11:45
  they said they weren't doing it. And then they got sued.
• 1:11:47
  And they said, oh, we lied. We were doing it.
• 1:11:50
  But we're not doing it anymore. Now, which time are
• 1:11:52
  they not? Here's my thought on this. I think you've
• 1:11:55
  got a bunch of people today. because of this, it's
• 1:11:58
  just open up, open up your head and pour it in.
• 1:12:01
  And they can put these things out to people just
• 1:12:04
  enough to where they know that there's going to be
• 1:12:07
  a reaction.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: There's some people, you and I are going to read
• 1:12:09
  this stuff and go, huh? Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: And there's some people that are just going to stay
• 1:12:12
  awake at night and just fume. I know people that
• 1:12:15
  read stuff and they'll call me and text me and said,
• 1:12:17
  can you believe this? And I'm like, dude, man, I
• 1:12:20
  live this stuff.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Cool out. We're good. We're okay. And I think that
• 1:12:24
  these folks, they know who they are and they can
• 1:12:27
  target them. How many of these people are going to
• 1:12:29
  be– are we going to find that have no internet access,
• 1:12:33
  have no history of being on the internet? Right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Like Thomas Crooks. Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: That's just total BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't– we'd
• 1:12:42
  let him on the roof and then you had.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Also, they couldn't get snipers on that roof because the
• 1:12:47
  slope was too steep.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: We had members of Congress that are older than– I
• 1:12:50
  think Daryl Issa was there. I know a couple other
• 1:12:54
  guys were there too. I mean he's an older guy.
• 1:12:56
  He's older than me.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I think he was walking around up on it.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: That's bogus. That's totally bogus. They put Trump in a
• 1:13:02
  bad position. That's the thing.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: You'll never know.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: Dead men tell no tales.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: There's another thing we should talk about. There's a lot
• 1:13:10
  of people running around out there saying that that first
• 1:13:13
  Trump assassination was a setup and that it was a
• 1:13:15
  hoax and that Trump did it to try to get
• 1:13:17
  people to be more sympathetic to him. Anybody who says
• 1:13:20
  that doesn't know anything about guns.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Because the shot was from, how far was it? Was
• 1:13:27
  it 140 yards? Is that what it was, Jamie? There
• 1:13:32
  is not a person on earth that could nick your
• 1:13:36
  ear at 140 yards reliably. Not only that, but miss
• 1:13:41
  other shots first. Kill someone behind you. shoot another person
• 1:13:45
  as well and just nick his ear. And just by
• 1:13:49
  the grace of God, by just sheer luck, he turns
• 1:13:53
  his head at the right time and he catches his ear. Okay,
• 1:13:57
  120 to 140 meters or 135 to 150 yards away
• 1:14:01
  during the rally. He was positioned on top of an
• 1:14:04
  AGR international building, which provided a clear line of sight
• 1:14:08
  to the stage. Just that alone is a tremendous failure
• 1:14:11
  of security. The fact that they didn't search and look
• 1:14:15
  at these buildings that you don't have drones above, scanning
• 1:14:18
  the area where you have a potential line of sight,
• 1:14:22
  an easy shot with someone with a scope.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: My buddy Eli Crane, he's a sniper, and he said,
• 1:14:29
  you know, I could have made that shot, you know,
• 1:14:32
  because he's a SEAL sniper.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: My brother-in-law Cliff is a Marine sniper, and he said,
• 1:14:37
  I could have probably done it with SEAL sights, Tim.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Did the man have steel sights or did he have– Yeah,
• 1:14:42
  he did have steel sights. So he didn't have a scope.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: And the thing to me is that he got up
• 1:14:48
  there and people were pointing at him. It was just
• 1:14:50
  a complete– is it a breakdown? You think is it
• 1:14:54
  a breakdown?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: It's a breakdown if Tim Burchett sneaks into the back
• 1:14:58
  of a Leonard Skinner concert and gets close to the stage.
• 1:15:02
  That's a breakdown. That to me is a complete capitulation.
• 1:15:05
  They put Trump out there and there's people that don't
• 1:15:08
  like him. You can say what you want to. about
• 1:15:11
  programming and things. I just think it's out there. I
• 1:15:14
  think it is a reality, and I think people better
• 1:15:17
  wake up because Washington, D.C. is not a— everybody wants to
• 1:15:22
  call it a swamp.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it does have a scope. Is that a
• 1:15:24
  scope or is that a sight? Yeah, that's a red dot.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's magnified. It says
• 1:15:30
  optics attached to rail, AEMS optics attached. So I don't know.
• 1:15:37
  I'd have to talk to some of my guys out
• 1:15:39
  front about like what kind of a what kind of
• 1:15:42
  a sight that is, what kind of optics that is.
• 1:15:44
  I don't know if it's magnified or if it's like
• 1:15:46
  pistol optics. But either way, even if it's just if
• 1:15:50
  he's prone and he's got a rifle and it says, yeah,
• 1:15:55
  check it out, Jamie. I think that's just the setup though.
• 1:16:01
  I don't think that's actually the– I think AMS Optics–
• 1:16:05
  AEMS Optics. The Optics. Modified with a collapsible stock.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: AEMS. Red dot site.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a red dot. I don't know if
• 1:16:19
  that's magnified. I don't think that's it. I don't think
• 1:16:21
  that's magnified. I think– Yeah. I think that's just like
• 1:16:23
  what you get on a pistol. It just makes it
• 1:16:25
  a little bit more accurate.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I'd seen pictures of him just walking across
• 1:16:29
  an area, and you could tell he was carrying something
• 1:16:31
  that was fairly long.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, he was walking around the site
• 1:16:34
  with a range finder. Yeah. Are you playing golf?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: He'd earlier put a drone up, I think. Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: If you're not playing golf and you have a range finder,
• 1:16:42
  you're trying to shoot something. That's it. There's only two
• 1:16:45
  reasons to use a range finder. You're playing golf, you're
• 1:16:47
  doing archery, or you're trying to shoot something with a rifle.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: No other thing.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: But these guys just keep doing this. And I think
• 1:16:56
  we're going to have a hearing on that, not on
• 1:16:57
  that particular case, but just on what the CIA is
• 1:17:01
  doing and how they could do that today.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Well, they most certainly can do that today if they
• 1:17:06
  could do that in the 1960s. There's a fantastic book
• 1:17:08
  called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. It's all about the Manson family.
• 1:17:11
  Have you ever read it?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. I haven't read it.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: It's phenomenal. And it's mind blowing. You read it and
• 1:17:18
  it all documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra program
• 1:17:22
  and what they did with Jack Ruby. And they visited
• 1:17:25
  Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald. And Jack
• 1:17:28
  Ruby went insane and had a complete psychotic breakdown and
• 1:17:31
  said they're lighting Jews on fire. And he was like
• 1:17:33
  going nuts and was sane before Ruby visited him. This
• 1:17:37
  guy was known to be using LSD on people, unknowing people.
• 1:17:41
  They ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is where the CIA
• 1:17:46
  actually ran brothels. They had two-way mirrors, and they had
• 1:17:50
  these supposed prostitutes give these Johns alcohol that had LSD
• 1:17:55
  in it, and then they'd monitor them. They were doing
• 1:17:57
  that with people, unsuspecting people, dosing them up, trying to
• 1:18:00
  figure out how and what techniques they could use to
• 1:18:03
  manipulate people and to get people to do things they
• 1:18:05
  wanted them to do. That's what the whole Manson family
• 1:18:07
  was all about and what the Manson family– what those
• 1:18:11
  killings did, the Tate-LaBianca murders, what they did was they
• 1:18:15
  turned people against hippies. Like people had this idea of
• 1:18:18
  hippies being peace and love and like, oh, it's a
• 1:18:21
  new world and everyone is just going to do acid
• 1:18:23
  and hug each other.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: And drop out of society.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Then it all of a sudden became, no, they're psychotic
• 1:18:28
  killers and they're demonic and this is what we have
• 1:18:32
  to think about. We need to ban all these drugs
• 1:18:34
  and that's what they did. And it's kind of fascinating
• 1:18:36
  that they were able to do that and do that
• 1:18:39
  for so long. And if it wasn't for the Freedom
• 1:18:41
  of Information Act request and if it wasn't for finding
• 1:18:44
  those documents that they found that were just in storage
• 1:18:47
  that detailed all this, we wouldn't have any knowledge of
• 1:18:49
  this stuff.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Most of that stuff disappears.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that we have.
• 1:18:54
  I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 1:18:56
  There's probably a ton of those things that have gone
• 1:18:58
  on that they successfully hid. And they got sloppy with this.
• 1:19:02
  And Johnny West seems like he was a completely insane person.
• 1:19:05
  And how could you not be if you're like, running
• 1:19:07
  around dosing people with acid, running fake whorehouses. I mean,
• 1:19:11
  it's nuts. The whole story is nuts. But the idea
• 1:19:14
  that they go, hey, we shouldn't do that anymore, even
• 1:19:17
  though it was successful, that doesn't track. That doesn't track
• 1:19:21
  with how anything works. That doesn't track with human nature.
• 1:19:24
  It doesn't track with how the government works. The idea
• 1:19:27
  that they don't have people right now. And also, how
• 1:19:30
  many people are voluntarily on psychiatric medication that alters them?
• 1:19:35
  And then without any sort of formal program like MKUltra,
• 1:19:40
  just using bots, just using AI, just using people's algorithm
• 1:19:46
  to turn them, radicalize them in certain ways. Like, of course,
• 1:19:52
  they're going to do that. Of course, they're going to
• 1:19:53
  try to figure out what they can do, what they can,
• 1:19:56
  how they can shift narratives in one direction or another.
• 1:19:58
  I mean, that's what they do.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And Trump's a threat to their machine.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I don't ever think we're ever find the answer to it.
• 1:20:06
  I don't think somebody's going to come forward and maybe
• 1:20:10
  in our lifetime they might, but by then everybody would
• 1:20:12
  be gone again.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Well, where's the toxicology examination on Thomas Crooks? Let me
• 1:20:17
  find out what he was on.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: They cremated him.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they cremated him really quickly. Not only that, why
• 1:20:22
  was his place professionally scrubbed? He didn't even have silverware
• 1:20:27
  in his house. He had no computers. He had no
• 1:20:31
  social media.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: No internet footprint at all. And then they found Stuff
• 1:20:35
  that led him to believe that maybe he had international accounts,
• 1:20:38
  but he didn't have it. You know, it just is constant, constant.
• 1:20:41
  And it just happens over over every course of every time.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Not only that, but they documented metadata that tracks specific
• 1:20:49
  phones from the Virginia area out near where the FBI
• 1:20:53
  area is to his home multiple times.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: He's a kid. He's just a young weirdo kid. And
• 1:21:01
  someone's visiting him. Over and over again?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: His parents were allegedly counselors, I think. And that makes
• 1:21:07
  the whole thing even that much more mysterious.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: It's all weird. And we don't have any answers and
• 1:21:13
  no one's asking questions. It's like, bye-bye. Went away.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: You ask the questions, you're still not going to get
• 1:21:18
  the answers.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, that will be one of those things
• 1:21:21
  that 30, 40 years from now, people are going to
• 1:21:22
  be reading books about it and go, what the hell
• 1:21:24
  was going on?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: It's like the Kennedy assassination. You know, in the Kennedy assassination,
• 1:21:28
  we had a committee meeting on that. And I asked
• 1:21:31
  a question from this doctor who was in the, In
• 1:21:34
  the emergency room, they brought Kennedy in, and he clearly
• 1:21:37
  brought a poster in to show that clearly that the
• 1:21:41
  bullets had come from two different directions. And so it
• 1:21:46
  had to be two bullets. It couldn't have been a
• 1:21:48
  very quick ricochet, obviously. And the whole thing, and no press,
• 1:21:54
  nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that was blockbuster news.
• 1:21:58
  I thought that would have been. But, again, the big
• 1:22:00
  boys didn't see fit to put that out, and there
• 1:22:03
  we are.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, just the magic bullet theory alone. Like, shut up.
• 1:22:07
  That bullet's ridiculous.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Well, that gun is called a Mannlicher Carbine.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I got one, actually.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: I think it's a 7.62 Italian. It's called the only
• 1:22:17
  gun that never won a war. You could have gone
• 1:22:19
  to a Western Auto and bought an M1 with scopes
• 1:22:22
  on it and made a much better shot than that thing.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing just stinks.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: And the gun they show holding up and the gun
• 1:22:27
  that they had later, you know, the whole thing is
• 1:22:30
  just screwy.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Screwy. Because we didn't ask questions back then. Yeah.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Well, no one had information. So what questions could you
• 1:22:37
  even ask? And there's a great book on it called
• 1:22:40
  Best Evidence by David Lifton. And he was an accountant
• 1:22:43
  that was hired to go over the Warren Commission report.
• 1:22:47
  And he started finding all these inconsistencies and contradictions in
• 1:22:50
  the Warren Commission report. So then he wrote this book
• 1:22:53
  on all the different things that are wrong with the
• 1:22:55
  Kennedy assassination and all the different things that we've been
• 1:22:58
  told that couldn't possibly be true. And it's very disturbing,
• 1:23:01
  including how many people that were witnesses that died. Witnesses
• 1:23:05
  at the scene in Dallas that died from weird circumstances
• 1:23:10
  and the odds of those people dying, car accidents, suicide, murder, robbery.
• 1:23:15
  It's just too strange.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: And people they can't find anymore that were in those pictures.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends. Quick.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: But back then, again, you couldn't ask the questions. You
• 1:23:27
  didn't have the internet.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: But I think.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: But nobody's even talking about it.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: You can't get anybody to bring up anything on Trump
• 1:23:35
  getting shot.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: No. Other than they put out it's fake. His ear
• 1:23:40
  healed itself and all this stuff.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He got shot in
• 1:23:45
  the ear. You can see the blood come out right away.
• 1:23:47
  It's dripping down the side of his face. And the
• 1:23:50
  idea that that's a setup, you cannot be that accurate.
• 1:23:53
  You definitely can't be that accurate with a red dot
• 1:23:55
  at 140 yards. You can hit him. You can definitely
• 1:23:58
  hit him center mass. No problem. Maybe you hit him
• 1:24:00
  in the head if you're really good and you're prone.
• 1:24:03
  But nicking his ear like that on purpose and to
• 1:24:05
  be there and say, hey, I just want you to
• 1:24:07
  nick my ear just a little piece. There's not a
• 1:24:11
  chance that that's a fake. And the guy behind him
• 1:24:14
  is dead. So what are you saying? You think that's fake?
• 1:24:17
  That's a setup?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Fireman lost his life.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy. But it's
• 1:24:22
  just this thing where people hate him so much and
• 1:24:25
  the narrative in the media– This Trump derangement narrative that
• 1:24:29
  you see in the media is so strong and people
• 1:24:31
  are so programmed by it. And for the average person
• 1:24:34
  that has a very involved job, you're working all day
• 1:24:38
  and then you have a family and you have a
• 1:24:40
  life and you have– you don't have time to really
• 1:24:43
  go into depth about what's real and what's not real.
• 1:24:46
  And you got that Russia collusion stuff shoved down your
• 1:24:48
  throat by mainstream media for years and you believe all
• 1:24:51
  of it.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: 100 percent.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: And so you really believed that he's a terrible person,
• 1:24:56
  Russian agent, all these– So you want someone to kill him.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a group of folks, young folks that are
• 1:25:01
  starting to ask some questions.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: You know, my wife's son, Tyler, he lives on the
• 1:25:07
  farm there with us. And he's been asking me inquisitive
• 1:25:12
  questions because he doesn't buy it. And a lot of
• 1:25:15
  those kids in that generation, I don't know if it's
• 1:25:17
  the Charlie Kirk effect. I don't know what that is.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: That has definitely an effect on it because a lot
• 1:25:22
  of people don't buy that story either. But it's also
• 1:25:24
  the internet. The internet has– there's enough independent reporters out
• 1:25:27
  there that are untied, independent journalists that are untied to
• 1:25:31
  any organization that has a narrative they're supposed to push
• 1:25:34
  and they're uncovering real information that's screwy. It doesn't make
• 1:25:38
  any sense.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Well, and also when they do though, they get trounced
• 1:25:42
  upon by the so-called mainstream media.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: But their numbers– I mean my gosh.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: I read somewhere the amount of– that the amount of
• 1:25:51
  media or the amount of information people get from the
• 1:25:54
  mainstream media is just diminishing.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Well, COVID sunk them. The way they handled COVID and
• 1:26:00
  the way they carried water for the pharmaceutical drug industry.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And Fauci.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fauci, and now he's going to walk.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Is he going to walk? Because there's some talk about
• 1:26:08
  him possibly being set up for perjury, but there's only
• 1:26:10
  a week to go.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a week to go. I just don't. He'll
• 1:26:13
  get a stern letter from somebody in Washington.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: That drives me crazy, man.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: I saw, you know, the big boys, you go down
• 1:26:20
  to the, the big hardware chain, and they were allowing
• 1:26:23
  people to go in, but they closed down the little
• 1:26:25
  local ones, and they closed the churches and the synagogues
• 1:26:28
  and everybody down. And then we just all got in line.
• 1:26:31
  They just rang the bell, and we're like Pavlov's dog,
• 1:26:33
  and we just all got in line. I remember at
• 1:26:35
  my hospital in Knoxville, one of them, I came out
• 1:26:37
  there to get tested.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I got tested. I can't tell you how many times
• 1:26:41
  I got tested. I never tested positive.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: I never took the vaccine or any of that, but
• 1:26:44
  I can remember coming out there, and they had these
• 1:26:47
  morgues they were setting up just in anticipation of And
• 1:26:52
  I just thought, man, this is– if this doesn't work out,
• 1:26:55
  this is the ultimate psyop because people are going to
• 1:26:57
  get rich off this crazy thing.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: And they did.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: The greatest transfer of wealth ever. Unbelievably.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Unbelievably, yeah. And Congress just did it. We just did
• 1:27:07
  it and didn't ask any questions.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like there's a real pandemic right now
• 1:27:10
  on this cruise ship, you know, about that Henta virus.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: That seems really crazy.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: And ticks everywhere. Watch that thing.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: The tick thing is nuts. Yeah.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Especially– Because of meat, because of gates.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Well, there's boxes people are finding– and I don't
• 1:27:24
  know if this is true because I've seen many reports
• 1:27:26
  on it. But I'm just going to say what I saw,
• 1:27:28
  that farmers and ranchers are finding boxes of ticks on
• 1:27:32
  their property. Now, I don't know if that's fake. I
• 1:27:35
  don't know if someone is setting that up to pretend
• 1:27:38
  they found these boxes of ticks. But there's videos of
• 1:27:41
  these people finding boxes of ticks.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Now, what they'll say is they'll probably say they're sterile
• 1:27:47
  ticks and that we're planting them out there so we
• 1:27:50
  can diminish the population is what they'll say. But anytime
• 1:27:53
  they try to mess with the balance of nature, it
• 1:27:55
  never goes right.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Is that what they're saying? No, but just get ready.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: That's what you're getting at right here.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: I don't believe you have a right to go to
• 1:28:03
  someone's property and drop off sterile ticks.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: No way in hell.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: That's crazy either way. But. I have a good friend
• 1:28:10
  of mine who got bit by the Lone Star tick
• 1:28:12
  and has that alpha gal problem.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a guy came out my house yesterday looking at
• 1:28:16
  putting gutters up at our house. And dad got me.
• 1:28:19
  He said, and I said, you did what? He goes, yeah,
• 1:28:21
  I can't eat anything, any meat produced by a mammal. Yes.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah. So my buddy, he had it.
• 1:28:28
  And my friend Evan, so he had it for a
• 1:28:31
  little while. And then he did a bunch of treatments
• 1:28:34
  and got off of it and then started eating steak again.
• 1:28:37
  And he was fine for about a year and a
• 1:28:39
  half and then it came back stronger than ever. And
• 1:28:41
  he just can't shake it. He can't shake it.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: It's been around that long. Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: He can only eat eggs. I mean he's basically eating
• 1:28:46
  eggs and vegetables. That's all he's eating. And every time
• 1:28:49
  he tries to deviate, he has a horrible reaction. It
• 1:28:52
  makes– for people that don't know, it makes your body
• 1:28:53
  allergic to red meat. Right.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: And who has got genetically made meat now? Yeah.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they're doing things with mosquitoes and they're messing
• 1:29:04
  around with nature in a way that no one's giving
• 1:29:06
  you permission to. The general public does not want you
• 1:29:09
  doing this. If they could vote on it, they'd say
• 1:29:11
  no way. You can't.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: It's like those beagles that they show that Fauci. I
• 1:29:16
  grew up with beagles. Sport number one, sport number two.
• 1:29:18
  They're the sweetest dogs.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: They are the best dogs ever.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: And my Buzz, he's a Cavalier mix, but he was,
• 1:29:26
  or we think, I'm not really sure, but he was
• 1:29:27
  a rescue dog. And that poor thing had never been
• 1:29:30
  on grass. And I see those dogs acting just like
• 1:29:32
  poor Buzz. He couldn't climb stairs. And he was mistreated.
• 1:29:36
  He can't hear very well. And he's the sweetest dadgum dog, though.
• 1:29:40
  And those freaking beagles. That rips my heart out. Because
• 1:29:45
  right now, I've talked to scientists in the labs. Everything
• 1:29:48
  we can do now, we can do in the lab
• 1:29:51
  pretty much without cruelty.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Without cruelty. Yeah. you know, bringing in beagles and why beagles?
• 1:29:57
  The whole thing just stinks to me.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's very evil. I mean, look, I don't
• 1:30:01
  even like when they do it with rats.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: But doing it with puppies is insane. And then euthanizing
• 1:30:07
  them after you've forced them to be mistreated. Oh, it's horrible.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: He did some evil stuff. He's, and he lied, like
• 1:30:15
  clearly lied to the American people about transmission, lied to
• 1:30:18
  the American people about preventing infection.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: I can remember when they brought him to Congress and, um,
• 1:30:25
  Brought him into a meeting I was in, and I
• 1:30:26
  was in the back, and he's a little short guy,
• 1:30:28
  and I was like.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Who the heck is that? And he said, it's Fauci.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: And they brought him in, and everybody started cheering. I
• 1:30:35
  thought I had a bad vibe on him then. And
• 1:30:37
  then you talk to gay folks, you know, he was involved.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: In the AZT.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: AZT.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they got a bad feeling towards him.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, he's the culprit. He's the villain in
• 1:30:48
  that movie, The Dallas Buyers Club. That's about him, preventing
• 1:30:52
  people from taking alternative medications. Does that sound familiar?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what they did during COVID.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Right now we're doing it. I was, um, I was
• 1:30:59
  in Blount County.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Yesterday for a police officer's memorial service and an officer
• 1:31:03
  came up and said, you know, my, my child is, uh,
• 1:31:06
  suffers from a rare disease and, and we can't get
• 1:31:09
  to this treatment.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: And can you, can you put a bug in the present?
• 1:31:13
  I was like, sure, you know, we'll try.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: But, and Trump's doing that a lot now with, and RFK, yeah,
• 1:31:19
  RFK Jr. People, they'll try to trash him and that's fine.
• 1:31:23
  He's a tough guy. But, um, A lot of those
• 1:31:27
  trials now are going forward, cancer and other things. And
• 1:31:31
  that's another reason they don't like Trump. Man, you talk about,
• 1:31:34
  I mean, you've got big pharma, you've got big agriculture,
• 1:31:38
  and a couple others. And they run the table, Joe.
• 1:31:44
  They run the table. And I told somebody, and of course,
• 1:31:48
  big energy, oil, we get zero. I know it's a
• 1:31:52
  commodity and I'm going to get lit up. that oil
• 1:31:55
  is a commodity and it, you know, the world market,
• 1:31:57
  but we get zero oil from Iran, zero. We, we
• 1:32:03
  export oil right now. And yet the price is going
• 1:32:06
  through the roof. It's going through the roof because it can,
• 1:32:08
  they can. And I always say, well, how does that
• 1:32:12
  gasoline in the pumps go up? It's been in the,
• 1:32:16
  they've already been processed, already been paid for. How does
• 1:32:18
  it go up exponentially just overnight, 20 cents a gallon
• 1:32:21
  or whatever. And how does that, And if that's because
• 1:32:24
  it's a commodity and you don't understand, how come that
• 1:32:28
  quart of oil at the hardware store doesn't go up
• 1:32:31
  like that?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: It's processed oil. Wouldn't it do the same? And, of course, diesel.
• 1:32:38
  Your first cut, I think, is kerosene. Then it's diesel.
• 1:32:42
  And I've got a diesel dually. I filled it up yesterday.
• 1:32:45
  It's over $ 100.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: It is the cheapest. It is the roughest cut. That's
• 1:32:50
  why you have these incredible filters. Because it's dirty. And
• 1:32:55
  gasoline is the third or fourth cut. And it ought
• 1:32:58
  to be the most expensive.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: But it's not. I just think it's a racket.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: And every time they'll hold the hearings and they'll come
• 1:33:05
  down there and, you know, the oil companies will shake
• 1:33:10
  that money tree.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: They know how to do it on both sides of
• 1:33:13
  the aisle.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: It happens all the time. I remember when Bush was
• 1:33:15
  leaving office before Obama took office where gasoline just went
• 1:33:19
  through the roof. Everybody was freaking out and no one
• 1:33:24
  could explain it. And it was just– I was like, look,
• 1:33:26
  they can. This is like the last chance they can
• 1:33:29
  to just jack up the prices, jack up the profits,
• 1:33:32
  hold everybody hostage. You have to get gas. You got
• 1:33:34
  to drive to work.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Got an old man in the White House. Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: And they just jacked it up.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: It's payoff time. Yeah.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I just– and I'm a capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist.
• 1:33:45
  I make skateboards.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: You make skateboards?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than a psychiatrist. Yeah.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm a little bit like Trump. I like
• 1:33:54
  ketchup on my steak, although I think he gets his
• 1:33:56
  well done. I get my medium rare.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: You put ketchup on your steak? You should go to jail.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Has the Baptist Church got a bus?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, they do. That's terrible.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: No, I make skateboards. So I make this crazy skateboard
• 1:34:08
  for Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of mine. She's kind
• 1:34:12
  of a.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I love her, too. She is wonderful. And she's from Hawaii.
• 1:34:16
  So in Trump's first Oh, there it is. Okay. I
• 1:34:19
  made that skateboard.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Your Bigfoot skateboard?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I put my sticker on it.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: It's made out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers off
• 1:34:25
  the banana plant.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: And she outs me during the Trump's first, there's my
• 1:34:32
  guys at Pluto Sports. They put my wheels and trucks on.
• 1:34:34
  It's just, they're guys I was in high school with.
• 1:34:36
  Do you skate?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't do the. Fancy stuff.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Do you do tricks?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Not anymore.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: I'm 61, dude. I don't heal like I did when
• 1:34:45
  I was 51, much less when I was a young man.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: You're only a few years older than me.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Well, you look good.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry, man. People think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally
• 1:34:54
  this huge. So Tulsi says, Birchit. I said, hey, Tulsi.
• 1:35:00
  She says, she's walking in here to State of the Union, cameras,
• 1:35:03
  people around. Where's my dadgum skateboard? My birthday's next month.
• 1:35:06
  I'm like, oh, crap.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: So I make her this skateboard, right? And that picture
• 1:35:10
  comes out. I mean, people all over the world are saying,
• 1:35:13
  where can I get a Birchett board? Where can I
• 1:35:15
  get a Birchett board?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm Mr. You know, I'm trying to be ethical. And,
• 1:35:19
  you know, and I go down to see the ethics guy.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: And this little attorney tells me, he says, well, Congressman,
• 1:35:26
  you know, you got to you can't do that.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: You can't call it a Birchett board. You can't.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: You know, I said, well, my wife's got to own
• 1:35:32
  the company. And they think, well, maybe. And then you
• 1:35:35
  but you can't work there. And all this other stuff.
• 1:35:38
  And you know everybody down there has got a side hustle.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: And I've said, dude, so you're telling me I can
• 1:35:43
  do insider stock trading, but I can't sell a dadgum skateboard?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: And the guy said, that's correct. So anyway, I got.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: About 35 skateboards in my barn. I just keep making them.
• 1:35:54
  And I call my attorney.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: You make them yourself?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I say. It's cheaper than
• 1:35:57
  a psychiatrist.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: So you make them by hand?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's pretty cool.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I make them.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: I'm cheap. So I make them out of bamboo that
• 1:36:07
  I cut. A buddy of mine, Chris Pointer, has got
• 1:36:10
  a bunch at his house. But I go to the synagogue.
• 1:36:12
  Behind the synagogue on Kingston Pike, there's a bunch of bamboo.
• 1:36:14
  And they used to let me cut it. Now that
• 1:36:16
  this airs, they probably won't. And then I get oak
• 1:36:20
  pallets and banana fibers that grow off the banana plant.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I grow those.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: And you just laminate it all? Yeah.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I used fiberglass with that. And I'm trying to
• 1:36:29
  get away from the carcinogens, you know, the cancer-causing. So
• 1:36:33
  I use Titebond 3 glue. It's waterproof and water-based. And
• 1:36:37
  then I just sand them all down because, you know,
• 1:36:40
  you scuff them up after you ride them around anyway.
• 1:36:42
  So anyway, so I make them out of that and
• 1:36:45
  I laminate the wood. And my local, the steel laborers,
• 1:36:50
  they needed a project one year when I was mayor
• 1:36:52
  of Knox County. And somebody said, hey, they want to,
• 1:36:55
  these guys want to make a skateboard press. I said,
• 1:36:58
  do you want one? I said, yeah, I'll buy the metal.
• 1:37:00
  And I'm thinking, you know, they're going to build me
• 1:37:02
  this little thing. No, I mean, it's like three Burley
• 1:37:05
  Union trucks. metal workers have to put this thing in
• 1:37:08
  the back of my daddy gun pickup truck. It is
• 1:37:10
  a monster and it, um, and I can press them, but, um,
• 1:37:14
  and I've got clamps and I do all of it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that's pretty cool.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I can't, but I can't sell them. I
• 1:37:20
  got third, my wife's like, what are you doing out there?
• 1:37:23
  And I said, well, come out there and look at
• 1:37:24
  my boards, honey. I'm making skateboards. And I'm saying, I said,
• 1:37:27
  and she always there, that's one. I had, that was
• 1:37:30
  this one I'd laminated up, but, um, or it's side laminated, but,
• 1:37:33
  That's very cool.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: My wife always says, honey, you go to it. She says,
• 1:37:37
  I'm sure they laughed at the guy that created the
• 1:37:39
  pool noodle.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: That's her line.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Probably, right? My wife Kelly said, oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: It was just a piece of insulation off some old
• 1:37:46
  rental house, and he threw it, and his kids were
• 1:37:48
  swimming with it. And he thought, man, I'm going to
• 1:37:49
  take that 12-cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart
• 1:37:52
  and sell it for $ 6 a piece. Now he's probably
• 1:37:54
  sitting on some island somewhere laughing at us right now. But, no,
• 1:37:58
  I make them, and I've been trying to. Anyway, it's
• 1:38:02
  very frustrating. I got a meeting with the attorneys and
• 1:38:05
  the chairman of the ethics committee, who is a really
• 1:38:08
  good guy. I came to Congress together, and we're trying
• 1:38:10
  to work it out.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: It's not even that it's a lot of money in
• 1:38:13
  handmade skateboards. The fact that you could have insider trading
• 1:38:17
  and you can't sell handmade skateboards, that's ridiculous.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: A little ridiculous, isn't it?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: It's also like, what, because you're famous? Because you're on television?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: Somebody's going to yeah, they're going to sway my vote
• 1:38:29
  because they bought a dadgum skateboard from me. I took
• 1:38:32
  one to an auction, and I think somebody paid $ 5, 200 for.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: One of those dadgums.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: And then some other guy comes up and says, Tim,
• 1:38:40
  I was at the bar, and I missed it. If
• 1:38:42
  I give them $ 5, 200, will you make me one?
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: So I got a couple, and then my friends in
• 1:38:46
  Claiborne County– the mountains up there they um they uh
• 1:38:52
  they chair the committee and they asked me and somehow
• 1:38:54
  I thought I was making one and then when I
• 1:38:56
  got out of there I was making three so I
• 1:38:58
  don't know and then I people just like them and
• 1:39:00
  they put them on their wall I mean you know
• 1:39:02
  you're not gonna be in the Olympics with Tony Hawk's
• 1:39:04
  not gonna go hey Tim Burchett will you make me
• 1:39:05
  a board you know but it's it's just for cruising
• 1:39:09
  down the sidewalk kind of thing.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: That's awesome that's awesome it sucks that they won't let
• 1:39:13
  you sell it though that's.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah You sell your soul, but I can't sell a skateboard.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of selling, you were telling me earlier before we started,
• 1:39:24
  and I said save this because I want to talk
• 1:39:25
  about this later, that the Taliban gets how many millions
• 1:39:29
  of dollars a week?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: About $ 40 million a week.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: It all happened.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: I was on a podcast, and they were talking about it,
• 1:39:40
  and Sean Ryan.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: I love that dude.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Great American. I love him.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Good man.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: He's a good Christian man. He's been through it.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: You know, he's an incredible guy that they've asked to
• 1:39:53
  do horrible things. And people like that, I give them
• 1:39:56
  a wide path. I let them slide on a lot
• 1:39:58
  of things. But he's a good daddy, and, you know,
• 1:40:04
  he worries about our country. He reminds me a lot
• 1:40:06
  of my dad because you couldn't wake my dad up
• 1:40:09
  to the day he died over the top of him,
• 1:40:11
  always by his big toe. Because he might wake up
• 1:40:14
  on one of those islands and pin me against the wall.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Right. His Marine on Peleliu and Okinawa. Yeah.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Daddy's colonel was a guy named Chesty Puller, Colonel Puller.
• 1:40:24
  You can look him up. He was a Marine Corps legend.
• 1:40:26
  And my daddy loved him. But anyway, I'm on this
• 1:40:32
  podcast with Sean. And he says, hey, I want you
• 1:40:35
  to introduce Eli Crane. He's a Navy SEAL in Congress.
• 1:40:38
  He said, I want you to go on this. podcast
• 1:40:40
  with Sean Ryan. I said, I don't know who Sean
• 1:40:42
  Ryan is. I don't, I'm not a podcast guy. I don't,
• 1:40:45
  my daughter always give me your phone. I don't know
• 1:40:48
  how to do it. And all of a sudden I
• 1:40:48
  got a cool picture of her on there. I don't
• 1:40:50
  even know how she did it. But so I'm on
• 1:40:53
  there and, um, and he calls me and says, I
• 1:40:56
  want you to meet with this guy. He goes by
• 1:40:58
  the name legend and that's not his real name, but, um, he, um,
• 1:41:04
  he comes up, he comes into the office and he
• 1:41:07
  has to, he can't use his real name. And, uh,
• 1:41:10
  and says, look, they're getting $ 40 million a week.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I said, who is? He said, the Taliban. And he's
• 1:41:14
  an Afghani that fought for us. And so he's dual citizenship.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: I talked to the last democratically elected president of Afghanistan
• 1:41:26
  through him on a call. And he's a dear friend.
• 1:41:31
  And he comes by all the time and we talk.
• 1:41:34
  And so John Stout in my office, he's the best.
• 1:41:39
  I mean, this guy His mom and daddy were in
• 1:41:41
  a very tragic car accident and they prayed through it
• 1:41:45
  and they both lived.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, daddy had to.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Get, you know, he was banged up and his mama's
• 1:41:50
  head got banged up pretty bad. And John's just, he
• 1:41:53
  is the quintessential staffer because he's so loyal and he
• 1:41:58
  loves this country. And so he said, boss, I think
• 1:42:00
  I got an idea.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: I said, all right.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: So he figured out this monitoring thing where what they
• 1:42:06
  do is they send pallets of cash to them through
• 1:42:11
  whatever and they uh there's three banks and um over
• 1:42:15
  there that are owned by the Taliban and everything goes
• 1:42:19
  through them you know the Lord takes 10 percent with
• 1:42:22
  tithe and but the Taliban takes a hell of a
• 1:42:25
  lot more they take it right off the top and
• 1:42:26
  on ingress and egress if you give them money or
• 1:42:29
  take money away I mean if you spend money or
• 1:42:32
  put money in or whatever you take in or pay
• 1:42:35
  out they get their cut off of it every dadgum
• 1:42:37
  time and so I'm thinking this can't be right. So
• 1:42:42
  I got a memo on my desk from the State Department.
• 1:42:44
  It's stamped classified, so I can't talk about it. But
• 1:42:48
  then it's stamped unclassified under it, so I can talk
• 1:42:50
  about it. And it basically said under the Biden administration,
• 1:42:54
  they think we gave them $ 5 billion with a B,
• 1:42:57
  $ 5 billion.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Now, and you've got NGOs. Now, how many NGOs do
• 1:43:03
  you think operate over there?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Over 1,000. And then you throw in the United Nations.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Out of Afghanistan?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: There's 1,000 NGOs?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: It's the freakiest. It's the biggest scam.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: NGOs, I wrote a letter to the president months ago,
• 1:43:19
  and they've tapped the brakes on the NGOs. I mean,
• 1:43:22
  some of them don't have any money, and some of
• 1:43:24
  them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me, like
• 1:43:28
  I really know him. I mean, I hung out with
• 1:43:30
  him a couple times, and we talked. He called me Tim,
• 1:43:32
  which I thought was pretty cool. But he says– He says, Tim,
• 1:43:37
  here's how these NGOs work. He said, you know, they
• 1:43:40
  start out as a good organization, maybe during Bush I
• 1:43:43
  or Bush II. You know, a lot of those limousine liberals, do-gooders,
• 1:43:46
  you know, they start these organizations. And they set them
• 1:43:51
  up and to do, you know, feed the starving children
• 1:43:54
  or whatever.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they don't have any money in them.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: And some billionaire who we all know you can just
• 1:44:01
  name him, they'll drop a million in one of those.
• 1:44:04
  And then this unelected bureaucrat in Washington, DC says, Hey,
• 1:44:07
  they got a million dollars. This place is legit. And
• 1:44:09
  so they give them money. They put the money in
• 1:44:12
  there for them. And then they start running federal money
• 1:44:16
  through that yours and my tax dollars. And he told me,
• 1:44:21
  he thinks they stole over a trillion dollars. And I
• 1:44:22
  thought at the time, I thought that was crazy. But
• 1:44:25
  then I start looking at, um, You know, what happened
• 1:44:30
  in Minnesota, $ 19 billion. Joe, when I went to state legislature,
• 1:44:36
  our state budget of Tennessee wasn't $ 19 billion years ago.
• 1:44:40
  It's a lot more than that now. But that's the
• 1:44:44
  amount of fraud and waste and abuse that go on. Well,
• 1:44:47
  so backtrack to this deal. So I get involved with it,
• 1:44:51
  and it's just unbelievable. I passed the bill twice. And
• 1:44:59
  the second time my buddy John Stout in the office there,
• 1:45:01
  he comes up with an even stronger version. And so
• 1:45:04
  we send it to the Senate. And so we find
• 1:45:07
  out that there's a Senate staffer that somebody said he's
• 1:45:13
  like the unofficial ambassador to Afghanistan. I've literally read where
• 1:45:19
  he said it appears to me complimentary things about the Taliban. Now,
• 1:45:24
  those people want to kill us. As I like to say,
• 1:45:27
  they'll hate us for free. We don't need to give
• 1:45:28
  them any money. Well, it's like pulling teeth through my committee.
• 1:45:33
  The Democrats raised ruckus because, obviously, they don't want anybody
• 1:45:38
  looking at those NGOs. And the NGO money, now get this,
• 1:45:42
  it maybe a little bit goes to feed some starving kid,
• 1:45:46
  but a lot of it gets washed, and it goes
• 1:45:48
  back to the good old United States of America. Are
• 1:45:51
  you familiar with dark money and campaigns?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: You know, and folks back home, the day before the election,
• 1:45:59
  the people for American justice approved this ad. Did you
• 1:46:03
  know Tim Burchett, you know, pushed his second grade girlfriend
• 1:46:07
  down in a mud puddle and never apologized? That's what happened,
• 1:46:11
  you know, and then paid for by the people for
• 1:46:12
  American justice, you know, you know. And then but what's
• 1:46:15
  happened is, is that money that you're sending over there
• 1:46:18
  is coming back in the form of dark money. And
• 1:46:21
  we've got– and I think both parties are involved with
• 1:46:24
  it at some point. I think the Democrats have had
• 1:46:28
  a run of it, and they've got it pretty much closed.
• 1:46:31
  They've got a pretty good market going on it, in
• 1:46:33
  my opinion. And there are probably some Republicans I think
• 1:46:35
  I know of that have some dark money too. And
• 1:46:40
  not necessarily from this, but from other things. And then
• 1:46:42
  you start talking about the U.N.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: The U.N.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: Has got– and everybody says, well, that's U.N., Burchard. We
• 1:46:47
  don't have– heck, we don't. We sponsored the freaking U.N.
• 1:46:50
  If it was up to me, I'd pull out of
• 1:46:52
  the dadgum U.N. They are nothing. All they do is
• 1:46:54
  get Americans killed. They talk ugly about us, and they
• 1:46:59
  take our dadgum money, and we let them do it
• 1:47:01
  because crooked politicians are in bed. Washington is crooked as
• 1:47:05
  a dog's leg, Joe. And this bill makes them report
• 1:47:09
  it and follow the money so we know where it's going.
• 1:47:12
  And if it's going to the Taliban, it's out.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: So can you just explain to me how– they would
• 1:47:19
  justify sending money to the Taliban? And what is the circumstance?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: They justify it by saying it doesn't happen. They justify
• 1:47:28
  it by saying it doesn't happen. But I'm talking to
• 1:47:30
  a guy, this guy, a legend, who's got people on
• 1:47:33
  the ground. And the people over there, the freedom fighters,
• 1:47:36
  are saying, please quit sending them money.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: And, you know, when we left over there, you know,
• 1:47:42
  we left how many billions of dollars worth of armaments
• 1:47:45
  on the ground. They said, oh, I mean I heard
• 1:47:48
  Democrats saying, well, those people can't fly those high-end choppers. Well,
• 1:47:52
  you know who could? The dadgum Chinese who were on
• 1:47:55
  the ground before we got out of there. So it's
• 1:47:58
  just a crooked game. It's a small portion.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: I know– But explain. How is the money getting to them? OK.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: It is sent to them through these NGOs and other organizations.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: And so– So we fund the NGOs.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: The NGOs send money to the Taliban. Why would they
• 1:48:15
  do that?
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Because they get a cutoff of it. They don't care.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. So the Taliban gets $ 40 million and then they
• 1:48:25
  send that money back?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Some of it comes back and some of it doesn't.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: But as long as they get a piece of it,
• 1:48:31
  they don't care how much the Taliban gets.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: This requires a report on any cash assistant programs in
• 1:48:37
  Afghanistan and how the U.S. keeps the Taliban from assessing that.
• 1:48:41
  And it requires a report on the Afghan fund and
• 1:48:44
  the Afghanistan Central Bank. And these reports, of course, would
• 1:48:48
  shed light on the Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan Central Bank.
• 1:48:51
  And you can research it. A lot of it is
• 1:48:55
  these do-gooder programs. Oh, man, we're taking care of the orphans.
• 1:48:58
  We're taking care of this. And you know good and
• 1:48:59
  well they ain't taking care of any dadgum orphans. They're
• 1:49:02
  stealing the money to do it. And it just infuriates me.
• 1:49:06
  And then I hear them say, well, it's not happening.
• 1:49:07
  I say, well, if it's not happening, then dadgummit, pass
• 1:49:09
  the bill.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: What's it hurt? What's it hurt?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: We pass.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Worthless legislation every dadgummit day. And, you know, and I
• 1:49:17
  can't get a peep.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: I said to Thone when he came in when King
• 1:49:20
  Charles was in, which was kind of funny too. I
• 1:49:22
  had a funny conversation with King Charles.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: By the way, no kings.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not a king. Yeah, what about that? No kings.
• 1:49:27
  Everybody cheered.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: What the heck?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: There's a picture posted by the bank. There's a picture
• 1:49:30
  of me. I did a video on my ex-account at
• 1:49:33
  Tim Burchard. See how I threw that plug in?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Central Bank of Afghanistan said it received another injection of
• 1:49:39
  $ 40 million in cash this week. And this is literally
• 1:49:43
  $ 100 bills in stacks. Is that real? Is that a
• 1:49:47
  stock photo or is that them showing a photograph of
• 1:49:50
  the money they received? Because I can't imagine they're sending
• 1:49:53
  bricks of cash.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: It's pallets. It's called a pallet of cash.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: I'm reading through this explanation of it from these reports.
• 1:50:01
  He's saying exactly what these are all saying, but this
• 1:50:03
  is a lot.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Of explanation in here. I got a mutual fund.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: I don't understand all the money, but when I sit here,
• 1:50:10
  $ 40 million going overseas.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: But in cash, too, is crazy.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: There's no record of it. Take it and divvy it
• 1:50:18
  up and we print it every day.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: The U.N.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: Is responsible for purchasing, transporting, and transferring at least $ 2. 9
• 1:50:25
  billion in U.S. currency to Afghanistan. This was from 2024,
• 1:50:28
  I think, when this was printed.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: So that they have to find the cash on– Call your.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Senator and say, I want this dadgum bill on the floor.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: That is crazy.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: It's past the committee and it was like pulling teeth.
• 1:50:41
  It was– because apparently I offended somebody, which I'm sure
• 1:50:44
  I did now.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: But I don't understand why anybody wouldn't recognize that giving
• 1:50:48
  money to an organization that hates us, a fundamentalist religious
• 1:50:54
  organization that hates us.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: They're not a religion. They're not a religion. They're a
• 1:50:57
  cult or.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you want to call it. Since its first
• 1:51:02
  cash shipment, UN has made at least 80 purchases of
• 1:51:06
  cash for transport to Afghanistan. 80. 80 purchases of $ 40 million.
• 1:51:12
  The UN reported that it began purchasing and shipping cash
• 1:51:16
  because of Afghans' banks' inability to participate in international wire
• 1:51:20
  transfers and Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency circulating throughout its economy. Oh,
• 1:51:25
  so we got to help them out and give $ 40
• 1:51:27
  million a week.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the starving kids are still starving, and the
• 1:51:30
  little orphans aren't being taken care of.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: And they're still throwing gays off of buildings and poking.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Little girls' eyes out. Are there any gays left?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: They've got to be in the closet.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: They are in the closet. There's a lot of that,
• 1:51:42
  a lot of pedophilia. I have some buddies that served over.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: There and told me some horrible stories.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a guy was going to frag an Afghan general
• 1:51:50
  or something one time. He told me, and he used
• 1:51:52
  to work for me, and he had mental issues over it.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've heard horrible, horrible stories.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: My dad wouldn't go back to Okinawa because, if I
• 1:52:01
  can digress quickly, Daddy went back for the 50th anniversary
• 1:52:06
  of the invasion of Peleliu, and I said, you going to.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Go back to the 50th anniversary?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, those Marines, not a lot of those
• 1:52:12
  guys are left, you know, and they're all gone now.
• 1:52:14
  But he said, I ain't going to go back to Okinawa.
• 1:52:17
  And he told me this story. He said they came
• 1:52:19
  over this hill, and a Corsair caught a bunch of
• 1:52:22
  Japanese out, in this field. He's caught, dad called it
• 1:52:25
  a lucky strike. Dad loved a Corsair. That thing dive
• 1:52:28
  at over 400 miles an hour and just lit them up,
• 1:52:31
  caught them out, obliterated them.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: And they run up on them.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: And, um, they had been raping some of the Islanders
• 1:52:37
  or Korean girls that they, they collected. And, um, and
• 1:52:41
  I think that messed with my dad of all the
• 1:52:43
  stuff he saw blowing caves and shooting people up close.
• 1:52:47
  And that's what he said. I won't go into it.
• 1:52:50
  Cause I got a daughter that's going to be watching
• 1:52:51
  this thing. But, um, And that's what scarred my daddy.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: You would have loved him.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: He was, my buddy, my buddy Chris Haggard, he got
• 1:53:05
  an Acura for Christmas when it was a bright red Acura. And,
• 1:53:08
  you know, Acura's not made in America at the time.
• 1:53:11
  And dad goes, Hag? He says, my daddy was a
• 1:53:14
  dean at UT, dean of student conduct. He goes, where's
• 1:53:16
  that thing made? And he goes, I reckon it's made
• 1:53:19
  in Japan, CB. And dad goes, I reckon you're going
• 1:53:23
  to be parking that thing out in the street.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Daddy just went back in the kitchen bag, went out
• 1:53:26
  and moved his act around the street.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: Nobody messed with my dad. I remember the neighbor one time,
• 1:53:32
  she comes over and said, somebody's in my house.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm downstairs. And I run upstairs and dad runs
• 1:53:39
  by me with a Browning Hi-Power. I mean, he's probably
• 1:53:42
  70 years old. And he was clearing that house. He
• 1:53:44
  ran in that house. And I remember mom was on
• 1:53:46
  the phone and said, don't shoot my husband. He's in
• 1:53:48
  a blue powder leisure suit.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, he was something else. Yeah, Mama was something else, too.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: They were real Christians, so they weren't bumper sticker kind
• 1:54:01
  of Christians. That's awesome. To this day, I love the
• 1:54:06
  Waffle House. You know, it's America's premier steakhouse. And I
• 1:54:09
  go in there, and I don't like eating breakfast food
• 1:54:14
  any other time than at breakfast because I can always
• 1:54:16
  remember as a little boy, Daddy would always pick up
• 1:54:18
  somebody on the interstate. Somebody broke down, black folks, white folks,
• 1:54:22
  you know. anybody and um or some ut student that
• 1:54:25
  was having a little rough go and bring him to
• 1:54:27
  the house and there wouldn't be enough hamburgers for me
• 1:54:30
  my brother sister and i i know the five of
• 1:54:32
  us and but mama could make enough breakfast and i
• 1:54:35
  always knew that daddy brought somebody home and we were
• 1:54:37
  going to be eating break we're going to be eating
• 1:54:39
  breakfast for supper and that always ticked me off as
• 1:54:42
  a kid you know i didn't understand at the time
• 1:54:44
  but now i realized i had pretty cool parents so
• 1:54:47
  that's awesome can i show you a cool picture of
• 1:54:49
  my mama She flew an airplane during the Second World War.
• 1:54:54
  I was hanging out with Kid Rock one time, and
• 1:54:56
  I'm going to use a little language here, Bobby. And
• 1:55:00
  I said, I know your thing is you're the American badass.
• 1:55:03
  I said, but I was raised by the American badasses.
• 1:55:05
  And I got pictures of Dad on Peleliu in Okinawa
• 1:55:07
  with his Thompson submachine guns.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Here's my mama. Somebody colorize this. She's just a little
• 1:55:12
  country girl. Wow.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: And flying an airplane during the Second World War. Her
• 1:55:16
  brother Roy, who was 33 years old, got killed in
• 1:55:18
  the hedgerows. wow she's a beautiful woman.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: They colorize that.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: And i'm an unrepentant mama's boy that's a crazy picture
• 1:55:27
  yeah that's crazy she got her foot up and i've
• 1:55:29
  got a picture of my daughter we were at the
• 1:55:30
  air show and the guy had a biplane over there
• 1:55:32
  and he wasn't gonna there it is that's the black
• 1:55:34
  oh thank you jamie you're the man but that's in
• 1:55:37
  nashville and somebody it was national women's aviators day and
• 1:55:41
  everybody's showing all these pictures these women and i i
• 1:55:44
  said well I'm going to have to one up y'all.
• 1:55:47
  And I put that up there and somebody sent it
• 1:55:49
  to me. I didn't know just a supporter, not even
• 1:55:50
  in my district. And they colorized it for me. And
• 1:55:53
  so I was, uh, you know, and that company that, uh,
• 1:55:56
  I can't read the name off of all the parachute,
• 1:55:58
  but I think they're still in business.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: And, but anyway, that was in Nashville. You can see
• 1:56:03
  they're on dirt.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: And, um, and the, the crazy thing was when she qualified,
• 1:56:07
  I don't know how long, how many, how long you
• 1:56:09
  got to fly with an instructor before you solo.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Well, they messed up.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: And they did the math wrong on it, which was
• 1:56:16
  crazy because Mama was a math teacher, but she was
• 1:56:19
  a country girl, and she's in it for the fight.
• 1:56:22
  And she's a lot like my wife. My wife is
• 1:56:24
  a fighter too. You don't want to get between her
• 1:56:27
  and anybody in our family. But Mama, she soloed in
• 1:56:33
  half the time that she was supposed to. And, you know,
• 1:56:36
  the war's going on, and I've still got her little logbook. And, um,
• 1:56:41
  and they tried to redo the math on it and
• 1:56:43
  it was wrong, but you know, mama just, daddy.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: Said, yeah, I bet she cleared out a fence row
• 1:56:47
  when she landed. No, she was pretty cool.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: It's gotta be in a, a terrible slap in the
• 1:56:54
  face of these people that served in Afghanistan to find
• 1:56:57
  out that the Taliban's getting.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: My buddy Eli Crane, I just look over at him
• 1:57:01
  and he's one beautiful human being.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy and, um, um,
• 1:57:09
  lone survivor, um, Marcus Luttrell? Yeah, his brother.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Morgan?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: Morgan, yeah.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: He's the catcher on our baseball team. And I was
• 1:57:18
  out there one day, and we don't actually practice in
• 1:57:22
  the best part of town, but we've got security everywhere
• 1:57:25
  because when they shot Scalise and all those guys years back,
• 1:57:28
  we've got.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: I feel very secure.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: And I heard this pop, pop, pop, pop. And this
• 1:57:34
  young officer, D.C. officer said, Capitol Policeman said, it's okay, guys.
• 1:57:39
  I think it's fireworks. And Morgan took his hat off
• 1:57:42
  and goes, Burchett, that was gunfire. And I thought, I'm
• 1:57:45
  going with what Morgan says. I'm not going with what
• 1:57:47
  this guy up here says. They never fired a shot
• 1:57:49
  in anger. And I love those guys. They're wonderful people.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: And I do too. I hurt for them.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: I used to hurt for my daddy because he would,
• 1:57:58
  he'd talk about China. They went to China after the
• 1:58:00
  war and he fought the communists over there for a
• 1:58:01
  short while.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Before he left the Marine Corps, but how we just
• 1:58:07
  turned them over and that he would talk about that.
• 1:58:09
  And he would, he would be visibly upset and walk
• 1:58:12
  away because of that you know these we just we
• 1:58:15
  want to get these wars over and we don't we
• 1:58:17
  don't deal with the repercussions we don't deal with repercussions
• 1:58:20
  of we got warriors we need to heal and we
• 1:58:24
  gotta you know and and it's just very frustrating.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: To me yeah well You know, kudos to Trump for
• 1:58:31
  passing this psychedelics bill.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, good gosh. I saw you on that. I love that.
• 1:58:36
  Because I didn't know anything about it.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: And I asked some of those guys about it before,
• 1:58:42
  and they said, oh, yeah, Birch, one member confided in
• 1:58:47
  me that he, because he'd been in some of the mess.
• 1:58:49
  And I told him, I said, you know, my daddy
• 1:58:53
  had anger issues and stuff.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: He never beat Mama or me or anybody.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: How could you not? Oh, shoot.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: How could you expect? That's the crazy thing. You expect
• 1:59:01
  this of people to do horrible things and to see
• 1:59:04
  horrible things and to come back and just go to
• 1:59:06
  the grocery store. Just be normal. Just sit in traffic.
• 1:59:09
  Be normal.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: I remember one time we were at a UT football game,
• 1:59:12
  and I was a little boy. I must have been
• 1:59:14
  four or five. And we were on the 50-yard line.
• 1:59:18
  It was in the 60s, and they let you bring
• 1:59:21
  these cowbells. And it was the last game they let
• 1:59:23
  you bring cowbells to. I don't even probably do it now,
• 1:59:25
  but back then they– and so this guy was sitting
• 1:59:27
  behind us, and he was drunk, And he took the
• 1:59:30
  Lord's name in vain. And my daddy said, hey, we've
• 1:59:34
  got ladies down here. My sister, who was probably seven
• 1:59:37
  or eight, and my mama was there. And the guy said, okay.
• 1:59:41
  And then the guy spilled his drink on my dad.
• 1:59:44
  And my mama grabbed us all as kids and just
• 1:59:47
  rushed us out. And I remembered, I was like, no,
• 1:59:49
  what's daddy doing? And the UT cops, they loved my
• 1:59:52
  daddy because he was dean of student conduct. He always
• 1:59:54
  backed them up. And they'd come running down the aisle,
• 1:59:57
  and literally my dad beat these guys' ass, all three
• 1:59:59
  of them, right there on the 50-yard line at Neyland Stadium.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: And I was just a little boy, and I was
• 2:00:04
  like– he didn't give high-fives back then, but if I had,
• 2:00:06
  I would have given them because he was a pretty
• 2:00:09
  incredible guy.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Well, a guy who's been to war like that man
• 2:00:14
  had and come back.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: And– And it wasn't any different than thousands of other
• 2:00:18
  of his buddies. They would get together and talk about stuff,
• 2:00:21
  and I– We didn't drink in the house. My mom
• 2:00:24
  and daddy didn't let me have a beer can collection.
• 2:00:26
  And daddy's buddy, Red Welch, came over and Red drank
• 2:00:30
  beer at the dinner table.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: And it was in the 80s.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: I was in, I was, gosh, I was getting ready
• 2:00:35
  to go to college. And that was still no beer
• 2:00:37
  in the house. And Red was drinking beer. And I said, daddy,
• 2:00:41
  I said, what's the deal with Red drinking beer? And
• 2:00:42
  he said, buddy, he said, you get pinned down on
• 2:00:45
  one of them islands and you got, you know, you're
• 2:00:47
  going to get, you're going to leave this earth pretty soon.
• 2:00:50
  There's one guy that comes running for you. He can
• 2:00:53
  do pretty much whatever he wants to in your house.
• 2:00:55
  And that was Red. I found an old picture of
• 2:00:57
  him and Daddy in China the other day. But, yeah,
• 2:00:59
  Daddy had a great life, though.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: He had a great life.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: Him and Mama are both buried at Veteran Cemetery there
• 2:01:05
  in Knoxville. And, you know, to this day, I'm 61
• 2:01:08
  years old. And if I go up there, I think
• 2:01:11
  about them and their sacrifice, and I cry like a baby.
• 2:01:13
  Because I go to that Capitol, Joe, and I see
• 2:01:16
  people just that are just going to throw it all away.
• 2:01:20
  Throw it all away.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: And to me, that's just that's that is unforgivable, unforgivable.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm very happy that some of these people that
• 2:01:30
  have experienced these horrible things have at least a pathway
• 2:01:35
  to relief now.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: And that is and thank you for getting involved, brother.
• 2:01:39
  That is that was huge. Well, thank I couldn't see
• 2:01:41
  that ever do what?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, because if
• 2:01:46
  it wasn't for them explaining to me what they've been
• 2:01:48
  through and how it's helped people and all the other
• 2:01:51
  people that I know, like Marcus Luttrell was a friend.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't have happened.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: I talked to everybody and they said it wouldn't happen
• 2:01:57
  if it wasn't been for you. You use that microphone
• 2:02:00
  for good. And I appreciate it because a lot of
• 2:02:01
  people aren't.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: But I never asked him for anything up until that moment.
• 2:02:06
  And I was like, if there's a thing that I
• 2:02:07
  could do that might make the world a little bit
• 2:02:10
  of a better place. And the fact that those things
• 2:02:13
  were made illegal in the first place is just ridiculous.
• 2:02:15
  It should have never happened. They should have been studied
• 2:02:18
  and we could understand how they could help people, especially
• 2:02:20
  when you consider how many people are on antidepressants in
• 2:02:23
  this country. Tim Walz's daughter, the guy who was running
• 2:02:28
  for vice president, his daughter just made a post on
• 2:02:32
  social media where she was talking about how she's been
• 2:02:34
  on him for 15 years and she's realizing … That
• 2:02:37
  they're a real problem. And every time she's tried to
• 2:02:39
  get off, it's been devastating. And I know people that
• 2:02:42
  have also been on them that they try to get
• 2:02:44
  off them, like my friend Theo Vaughn. And the roof
• 2:02:48
  falls off. And, like, every time he starts talking about
• 2:02:51
  something that drives him crazy, I just got to kind
• 2:02:53
  of rein him in and just, like, calm down, like.
• 2:02:56
  You know, if you've had friends take their lives, and
• 2:02:58
  I've had a few.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: I've had quite a few.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: It's a horrible feeling when you think about it and
• 2:03:04
  you go, what could I have done? What could I
• 2:03:06
  have said? How could I have?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: And so much so we don't know.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: My oldest friend in the world, a guy named Scott Davis,
• 2:03:14
  he and I were at Little Red Schoolhouse together. His
• 2:03:16
  brother took his life, and he suffered from depression. And
• 2:03:20
  this was in the 80s, and we didn't understand it.
• 2:03:22
  You know, I was with a guy yesterday. One of
• 2:03:24
  his best friends, Ben Testerman, he was telling me, you know,
• 2:03:28
  I talked to him. You know, I came home. He
• 2:03:31
  was a professional tennis player. And he came home and
• 2:03:34
  was talking to Jeff. And he said, you know, he said,
• 2:03:36
  I just feel like I'm in a hole. And nobody
• 2:03:38
  gets that. And people will say to him, I hear
• 2:03:41
  people all the time say, hey, just get over it, man.
• 2:03:45
  You know, go for a jog. And there's some freaking
• 2:03:47
  chemical imbalance that we don't understand. Something has happened that's
• 2:03:50
  jarred them that we don't understand.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: And that is if there's one avenue, it gets it.
• 2:03:56
  But big pharma, again, big ag, big pharma, it's like hemp.
• 2:04:00
  Why the hell are we not growing hemp? It just
• 2:04:02
  drives me crazy. It drives me crazy as well. It
• 2:04:04
  doesn't make any sense, especially when you find out all
• 2:04:07
  the stuff that is legal. It's like have some consistency.
• 2:04:10
  It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: How many people do we lose every year?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: And a lot of my friends are in the alcohol business,
• 2:04:15
  but it's a personal responsibility issue with me. If you
• 2:04:18
  do it, it's your business, but if you break the
• 2:04:20
  law– Yes. You're going to the hooch, gal.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And listen, I'm not a big drinker, but I
• 2:04:25
  think you should be allowed to drink. I don't think
• 2:04:27
  there's anything wrong with being allowed to smoke cigarettes. If
• 2:04:28
  that's what you want to do, you should be able
• 2:04:30
  to do it. I believe in freedom. But I don't–
• 2:04:32
  I think we should be consistent. And the fact that
• 2:04:34
  there's these things that could help people that are suffering
• 2:04:37
  from depression, that are suffering from opioid addiction, that are
• 2:04:40
  suffering from all sorts of PTSD and CTE, and that
• 2:04:45
  we have this thing that we've known about for decades
• 2:04:47
  and the only person that the courage– To try to
• 2:04:50
  push an executive order as Trump? And if I help that?
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: Again, he is enemy number one with a lot of
• 2:04:58
  those people.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, thank God he's got the kind of
• 2:05:01
  courage that he has to push stuff like that through
• 2:05:04
  because it's going to change a lot of humans' lives,
• 2:05:07
  a lot of veterans' lives, a lot of first responders,
• 2:05:09
  a lot of police officers, a lot of people that
• 2:05:11
  have experienced violent crime. It's going to change a lot
• 2:05:14
  of people's lives.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Women that have been abused.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: All of the above.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Everything.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: And they're not going to be walking around like some
• 2:05:21
  kind of crazy zombies thing. It's a very controlled thing.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Especially Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not recreational in any shape or form.
• 2:05:29
  No one's taking it recreationally. I've never done it, but
• 2:05:31
  I've heard it's a terrible experience. But you come out
• 2:05:33
  on the under end of it. And Rick Perry was
• 2:05:36
  also talking about how he's experienced natural brain atrophy being
• 2:05:40
  a man in his 70s.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: He went and got an examination after he did it,
• 2:05:43
  and his brain atrophy had dropped by 25%. He went
• 2:05:46
  back in six months later. It was all gone. Just
• 2:05:49
  that alone. Wow. Think about all the elderly people out
• 2:05:52
  there that are suffering from memory loss and all these
• 2:05:54
  different issues that people have, that that could fix them,
• 2:05:58
  and that it's literally just one experience that you have
• 2:06:01
  that takes 12 hours, and when it's over, you're better.
• 2:06:04
  That's crazy. And we've kept this from people. There's no
• 2:06:08
  chance of people being addicted.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: The money. The money.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: I understand. But at some point in time, we've got
• 2:06:12
  to be human.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: All these money people have to realize you only have
• 2:06:15
  a certain amount of time on this planet.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: You need to shut them out.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to make the world a better place.
• 2:06:21
  And we got to say no to people that just
• 2:06:23
  want personal money. They just want personal funds that are
• 2:06:28
  going to go to their money, that's going to go
• 2:06:30
  to their bank accounts, going to go to their company,
• 2:06:32
  their corporation. Personal benefit at the– expense of who knows
• 2:06:37
  how many people, including literal heroes.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: When's enough enough for those guys?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When is enough enough? I mean, this is the
• 2:06:44
  same feeling that I have about this disclosure stuff. Like,
• 2:06:47
  I don't care what it's going to affect. I don't care. Like,
• 2:06:51
  if there's real things out there that we don't know about,
• 2:06:56
  you as a human being have no right to keep
• 2:06:59
  that from the rest of humanity. I don't care what
• 2:07:03
  your title is. I don't care what three-letter organization you
• 2:07:06
  work for. You're a human being, and you have an
• 2:07:09
  obligation to the other human beings to alert us. The
• 2:07:13
  fact that there's people that have– if this is real,
• 2:07:15
  there's people that have gone to their grave with this
• 2:07:16
  information that would literally change the course of human history.
• 2:07:19
  That's a crime. It's a real crime.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine the poor countries, the people that suffer–
• 2:07:26
  the deserts and things like that, if you could cool
• 2:07:28
  their– huts or whatever. And we get out of these
• 2:07:33
  worthless wars, which are over.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: All the time. And it just, it would end it
• 2:07:37
  all in just a stroke of a pen almost.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think it is?
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: I go back and forth.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: I know it's a little crazy and this will probably
• 2:07:47
  cost me election because they've tried to use it against
• 2:07:49
  me in the past.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: It will only help you at this point.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we need to look at these deep
• 2:07:54
  water areas. I have a hard time believing that something
• 2:07:57
  can travel light years in some suspended state. They have
• 2:08:00
  to be in some kind of suspended state. So I
• 2:08:03
  have trouble with that. Those five gentlemen that came to
• 2:08:06
  my house, four or five, that came to my house
• 2:08:08
  that time, they were talking about a moon that was
• 2:08:12
  around Saturn or Jupiter that they'd done some testing with
• 2:08:16
  that they think would be capable of something And the
• 2:08:20
  moon was larger than our Earth, of course.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: There's a moon that's larger than our Earth?
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, around Jupiter or Saturn.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. I don't think that's correct.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Check it out. No, no, no. There's no moons that
• 2:08:32
  are larger than a planet.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: Our planet. I don't believe that's true.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: Circles around it. I don't know. Anyway, I'm wrong.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: Is that accurate? Do I not know about this? Yeah,
• 2:08:45
  but there's not– I don't believe there's a moon out
• 2:08:47
  there that's larger than our planet.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: These guys seem to think that something can travel from
• 2:08:51
  there and it was the quantum physics. After talking to
• 2:08:54
  that admiral, it makes me wonder if there is something
• 2:08:57
  in these deep ocean areas. The old cliche, we know
• 2:09:00
  more about the surface of the moon than we do
• 2:09:02
  the surface of the ocean floor in some areas. I
• 2:09:05
  think it's true because we're not down there.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Logically, that's the one place where we don't go. And
• 2:09:11
  it covers 75 percent of the earth at least, right?
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: And if you wanted to hide, that would be the spot.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: I mean if you were monitoring humans, let's say that
• 2:09:20
  humans are on this path of technological evolution. And then
• 2:09:25
  they recognize that humans have split the atom. We've developed
• 2:09:28
  atomic weapons and we've used them. And they want to
• 2:09:32
  make sure that we don't blow up the entire planet
• 2:09:35
  before we achieve some sort of enlightenment, before we bypass
• 2:09:39
  whatever– territorial primate monkey brain stuff that we have that's
• 2:09:45
  causing us to have all these wars and do all
• 2:09:47
  these things that we shouldn't be doing.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: Stupid stuff.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: And that we're on our way. We're getting better. We're
• 2:09:51
  clearly better than we were 1,000 years ago and better
• 2:09:53
  than we were 3,000 years ago. We're on our way
• 2:09:56
  to being a more advanced civilization, but it's possible that
• 2:09:59
  we could screw it all up at any point in
• 2:10:01
  time and blow ourselves to smithereens. I would imagine they
• 2:10:04
  would want to monitor us.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: One maniac in Iran.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: If they hadn't stopped their nuclear, I'm convinced that they
• 2:10:12
  were out for Armageddon. They'd have launched something. They had
• 2:10:15
  the capabilities to go all the way to England. If
• 2:10:17
  they put one close to Israel, it'd be over. And
• 2:10:20
  people like North Korea, who have terrible technology on missiles,
• 2:10:24
  the biggest threat there was if they put one up
• 2:10:26
  in the air that the nuclear cloud could blow over China.
• 2:10:30
  And so that could have had some incredible bad repercussions.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the fact that there's so many different countries that
• 2:10:36
  have nuclear weapons and we're just relying on these people
• 2:10:38
  to keep their shit together is nuts.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: It's nuts. It's nuts. Completely nuts. Yeah. And they're maniacs.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it makes sense that if you were a
• 2:10:48
  super advanced life form from wherever, that if you wanted
• 2:10:52
  to have a base, some sort of a base where
• 2:10:54
  you'd monitor us, it would be in the ocean. You'd
• 2:10:56
  be right there. You could get out of it real
• 2:10:58
  quick and go to wherever you wanted to go.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: Orbs was the thing I was thinking of earlier. Orbs.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: That's the new word that you hear a lot of.
• 2:11:06
  It's getting away from saucers.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with orbs where
• 2:11:10
  people say that they could summon them.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not on that.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: There's someone– a friend of mine wants me to go
• 2:11:16
  and do it with her. She's– my friend's wife has
• 2:11:20
  like experienced it. She's like, you got to try it.
• 2:11:22
  I'm like, oh. Now that to me is– I'll say
• 2:11:24
  who it is when she comes on the podcast next.
• 2:11:27
  I don't know. I don't have permission to talk about it.
• 2:11:29
  I don't know if she wants me to talk about it.
• 2:11:30
  But– I'm like, okay, what do we got to do?
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: Be careful about the sex cult angle.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Well, she's not. I'm not worried about that.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: No, you're a good-looking guy, Joe.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: She might be digging you.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. This ain't that. This is not that.
• 2:11:44
  She's been my friend for 20 years. She's married to
• 2:11:47
  my friend.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying the angle that they use.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Well, this lady's not that. She's a comedian. This is
• 2:11:53
  not that. But there are a lot of kooky people
• 2:11:57
  that do have sex cults. The sex cults– every cult
• 2:12:02
  turns into a sex cult, right? Power. You know, I
• 2:12:05
  almost bought a building in Austin that was owned by
• 2:12:08
  a cult. No, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The original Comedy
• 2:12:11
  Mothership was– the original location was a place called the
• 2:12:15
  One World Theater. The One World Theater was owned by
• 2:12:18
  this cult. And I kind of knew about it because
• 2:12:21
  Ron White told me about it because they had this
• 2:12:24
  theater that they built to– so that their leader can
• 2:12:28
  perform in front of them. And then the cult got disbanded.
• 2:12:31
  The cult– there's a documentary about the cult called Holy Hell.
• 2:12:35
  And yeah, it's crazy. But it's a sex cult. It
• 2:12:39
  was a guy who is a– get this. He started
• 2:12:42
  out in California and he was a gay porn star
• 2:12:44
  and a hypnotist, which is a wonderful combination if you
• 2:12:47
  want to start a cult.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: Like you do. Yeah.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: And also a yoga teacher. So he starts out teaching
• 2:12:53
  these people yoga. And I don't know if you've ever
• 2:12:55
  taken yoga before. I've taken a bunch of yoga classes.
• 2:12:58
  with a bunch of different instructors, and most of them
• 2:13:00
  have been amazing. But a few of them were very culty,
• 2:13:04
  very culty. And there's this one guy that I took
• 2:13:06
  classes from way back in the day, like more than
• 2:13:08
  20 years ago. And he was in California, and he
• 2:13:10
  was sleeping with a bunch of the ladies that were there.
• 2:13:12
  And he was kind of like a cult guy. Yeah,
• 2:13:15
  they were.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: Following him and getting drug into it.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was singing, singing stupid songs. But he was
• 2:13:21
  very full of himself. It was gross. He was gross.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: You know, everything wound up falling apart for that guy.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: Then he ran for Congress.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of these people that for whatever reason,
• 2:13:32
  that's where it all boils down to. They want to
• 2:13:34
  have sex with everybody's wife and they want to run
• 2:13:36
  and everything and they want, you know, run of the mill. And,
• 2:13:39
  you know, it's very strange.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: But that's where the demonic stuff comes in with Christians.
• 2:13:43
  When you call these things down.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: Why do you think that that has to do with
• 2:13:47
  sex cults? Why would the aliens have to do with that?
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's the aliens. I think it's I
• 2:13:52
  just think some people are abusing them. The people's– they
• 2:13:56
  think that they're using their belief in UFOs to draw
• 2:14:00
  them in and to some sort of thing.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: Have you knowledge of this kind of stuff?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I get all of it. I hear about all
• 2:14:08
  of it.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: Can you name names? Can you talk about.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Like– Not on the air.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 4: OK.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get sued.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: OK. So– The underwater bases or the underwater– This is
• 2:14:20
  what an admiral told me. So did he say locations
• 2:14:24
  that these things are coming from or is there an
• 2:14:26
  actual physical base that they've observed?
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: He said that they don't have the capabilities to get
• 2:14:34
  down that deep actually. But they did say that the
• 2:14:38
  sightings were happening in about– I think four of the
• 2:14:42
  five deepwater areas.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: Around our world.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: And he didn't have any other– and then I was
• 2:14:48
  on talking about it, and somebody said, Tim Burchett says
• 2:14:52
  that they're underwater bases. And then they had– Gates was
• 2:14:58
  on the other day, and.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: He was briefed. I just told what I was briefed on,
• 2:15:02
  and he.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: Was briefed by a guy that said– it was in
• 2:15:05
  uniform– that said that they were breeding– they were capturing
• 2:15:10
  people and breeding them with these aliens.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: And, you know, he just talked. So, yeah, he was on.
• 2:15:16
  You can pull it up. I mean, Matt Gates, he
• 2:15:18
  talked about it. He didn't say he believed it. But,
• 2:15:21
  you know, we talk about we get briefed on. That's
• 2:15:23
  what I'm talking about.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: The PSYOP. Here's part of the problem, too. They bring
• 2:15:27
  you information and you go forward with this. And this
• 2:15:30
  is this is the truth. You know, these underwater bases, whatever.
• 2:15:34
  And then they prove it doesn't exist. And then they
• 2:15:37
  just discredit you and they discredit the whole movement. So
• 2:15:39
  that's why I'm very cautious anytime anybody brings me any
• 2:15:43
  information or pictures or testimony or third cousin's recollection.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That is– the disinformation thing is a problem. They'll
• 2:15:53
  tell you some truth and mix it in with some
• 2:15:55
  really kooky stuff. And then you say the kooky stuff
• 2:15:58
  along with it, and the kooky stuff just discredits everything
• 2:16:00
  that's true.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: And Lazar talked about that too. He said they would
• 2:16:06
  tell people certain things that weren't true. And they would
• 2:16:09
  tell different people different things that weren't true. So if
• 2:16:12
  the story got leaked out, they would know who leaked it.
• 2:16:15
  It was like a hook. So that anchor would be like, oh,
• 2:16:18
  that was Mike. Mike told the story.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: That's when I always warn our other members when we
• 2:16:23
  go into the skiff and talk about stuff that, you know,
• 2:16:28
  that's the first time I've ever heard that one or
• 2:16:31
  that's sort of what we heard the last time. And
• 2:16:34
  then I say everybody just be real careful with it
• 2:16:36
  because if it gets out, Then they'll come after you
• 2:16:40
  or if they want it to get out so they
• 2:16:42
  can discredit you and make you look like a fool.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: So they talk to you about deep water areas where
• 2:16:48
  sightings occur. And so it's just a presumption that somewhere
• 2:16:52
  in that deep water they're emanating from, that they're.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Well, he also– he described– It is.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: Gates claims whistleblower told him of alien-human hybrid programs. The
• 2:17:05
  alleged program involved captured extraterrestrials mating with abducted humans from
• 2:17:10
  war zones and migrant caravans to create hybrids for intergalactic communication.
• 2:17:17
  He claimed the whistleblower identified between six and 12 such
• 2:17:20
  facilities in the U.S. and sought coordinated congressional visits to
• 2:17:24
  prevent relocation of the activities, though Gates did not verify
• 2:17:28
  any of the information. How could you?
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: You're going to talk to the hybrids? Yeah.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: I just want to go to the t-shirt shop.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent you, Jamie.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: That's bonkers. I don't buy that. So this is a guy.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: It says his name is Alan Dido.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's weird. Capital D, lowercase i, capital D,
• 2:17:53
  lowercase i, o.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: Didio.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: Didio? After sitting in a private meeting with pastors and
• 2:18:00
  those connected to these investigations, the message was clear. UFO
• 2:18:04
  and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now.
• 2:18:08
  Silence is not an option. Well, what does that mean?
• 2:18:11
  Like what are they preparing the people for? Like what–
• 2:18:15
  why would they bring in– A group.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: Of pastors I've never heard of. Are these BS? I do.
• 2:18:20
  I think it is. I think if he had brought
• 2:18:21
  anybody in, he'd have brought Franklin Graham in.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his– Yeah, he.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: Runs– well, I mean he also has a show, which
• 2:18:29
  is– Of course he does.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: Of course he does. Oh, so his show is about disclosure?
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: The Revival Nation Church or something.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, I don't know that.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: This is just what these clips are coming around.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: Can you click on his bio, please? Like what it clicks,
• 2:18:42
  what it says? Equipping end time believers for the next
• 2:18:47
  great awakening.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: I would warn people that think we're in the end times.
• 2:18:53
  The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that
• 2:18:55
  they don't even, the angels in heaven don't even know.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: When the end times are?
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: When the end's coming.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm always very suspicious of people that say
• 2:19:04
  the end times are coming. I remember when I was
• 2:19:06
  living in L.A., there was a billboard. Do you remember
• 2:19:08
  those billboards, Jamie, where the guy was saying a very
• 2:19:11
  specific date where the end was coming? The rapture was
• 2:19:14
  going to— and then it didn't happen. He's like, oh, I
• 2:19:16
  got some bad information. It's coming soon.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did my math wrong. I remember. I see
• 2:19:21
  those all the time. I just shake my head. It
• 2:19:23
  ain't happening.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011. Cry mightily unto God.
• 2:19:30
  Judgment Day.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: And look at the gold stamp. The Bible guarantees it.
• 2:19:35
  By the way, I read the Bible. I've never read
• 2:19:37
  anything where there's a guarantee of this day.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: May 21st, 2011.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: So when they tell you things, is there anything that
• 2:19:48
  they tell you that you could tell us? Like how
• 2:19:51
  much of what they told you is like completely top
• 2:19:54
  secret that you're not allowed to say until they disclose it?
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of it.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of it.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that really disturbs you?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: We had one meeting and it got into some stuff
• 2:20:05
  that they were talking about and the treatment of people
• 2:20:09
  and the capabilities.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: And this was– The treatment of people by these supposed extraterrestrials?
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: Not by our own government, but that we're trying to
• 2:20:19
  come forward with this stuff, but also– Yeah. They told
• 2:20:22
  me some pretty creepy stuff. So I would, um, again, yeah,
• 2:20:28
  I bring this out and then they're busting my ass
• 2:20:30
  for it.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: But what do you think is going on? Like, so
• 2:20:34
  I think.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: It's a coverup.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: I think there's something else out there. I do not
• 2:20:38
  think we're the best that God can do. And I
• 2:20:40
  really just don't know, Joe, there's so many options. It
• 2:20:43
  could be, um, one of these groups that met with me, they,
• 2:20:48
  they described several different, um, types of beings, and they
• 2:20:53
  go through all of them.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: How many different types of beings?
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Three, four, five. I don't know.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: It just changes. I don't get caught up in that.
• 2:21:02
  And I tell our guys, I say, look, here's the argument.
• 2:21:05
  Just say, I just want to know what we're spending
• 2:21:09
  tens of millions of dollars on.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: That's all. I don't care.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: It's not about little green man. It's not about flying saucers.
• 2:21:15
  It's what are we spending this money on if they
• 2:21:17
  say they don't exist? That should be the answer. The
• 2:21:21
  question and the answer will come from that.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. So if they do exist, when you say you
• 2:21:27
  think it's a cover-up, what do you think.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: They cover up? Well, I think they really do exist.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that there's such a finite group
• 2:21:36
  of people that actually know it. And you've got a
• 2:21:38
  lot of charlatans out there that say they know it
• 2:21:41
  and they're out there selling memberships.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: But I think there's something to it.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: I'm always very suspicious of anybody. who speaks definitively about
• 2:21:52
  something like that where you can't possibly know. And then
• 2:21:54
  they don't offer up any proof of this.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: And they say, well, I've seen the pictures. Well, bring
• 2:21:58
  me the dadgum pictures.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: But I have seen some pictures, and I have seen video,
• 2:22:02
  and I have.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: Seen— What's the most convincing thing that you've seen?
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: Those guys came out the house. That was pretty convincing.
• 2:22:10
  You know, that was before the hearings that we had.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: How clear was the video?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Clear as a screen. I mean, it was pretty clear.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: And that was pre-AI. AI was such a new thing.
• 2:22:25
  And then it fit in with what the Tic Tac
• 2:22:28
  videos were.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: And the.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: Heat signature is what I always thought was unusual because
• 2:22:35
  it had to have a heat signature, but it didn't.
• 2:22:38
  It's a zero-point energy, whatever that is. And just the
• 2:22:45
  quantum physics angle of it is– Mind-blowing to me.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: And you have no knowledge of what's supposed to be released?
• 2:22:52
  Because today is Wednesday.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to know tomorrow at 3.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow at 3 p.m.? Allegedly. Is that when the world knows? No.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to ask me. Just give me
• 2:23:01
  a little bit of it. But I got a feeling
• 2:23:03
  they're not going to tell me much. I got a
• 2:23:04
  feeling they're not going to tell America much.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: When? Is it supposed to be disclosed this week? Whatever
• 2:23:11
  they're going to disclose?
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: But if they're going to disclose it to us, then
• 2:23:15
  it'll be out. right as soon as they hang up
• 2:23:17
  the phone with some guys.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: Do you feel an obligation if they don't release it
• 2:23:21
  to try to tell people what you know? I do.
• 2:23:25
  I do.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's because I don't like it if they're
• 2:23:29
  lying to us. And I, again, I don't think Trump knows.
• 2:23:35
  I mean, these people have kept this stuff secret. Here's
• 2:23:37
  another thing. I was in one meeting and a guy said,
• 2:23:40
  I said, what about the president on this? And he said,
• 2:23:42
  the president's on a need to know basis. Now, That's
• 2:23:45
  a federal employee saying that he or she has information
• 2:23:52
  that the president is not allowed to see. And I
• 2:23:57
  just was aghast, man.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, that's the kind of crap you
• 2:24:00
  see on the sci-fi network or something. But that would
• 2:24:04
  be the title of my book. I mean that.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Ought to tell you right there that this thing is
• 2:24:09
  a cover-up. And I don't– it's kind of like MKUltra.
• 2:24:14
  I don't think we're going to get the– they're not
• 2:24:16
  going to tell us everything.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't think they're going to give
• 2:24:21
  us half of what we should get.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: But you think we're going to get something?
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to get something.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: Do you know Hal Puthoff? Do you know Hal Puthoff?
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Do what?
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: Do you know Hal Puthoff?
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Do you know who he is?
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say Hal Puthoff you
• 2:24:35
  are right now.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, Hal.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Puthoff are you?
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: Hal Puthoff was in the documentary as well. He was
• 2:24:40
  in The Age of Disclosure and he was a guest
• 2:24:42
  on the podcast and one of the things that he
• 2:24:43
  told me is that During the Bush administration, they brought
• 2:24:46
  in him and a bunch of other scientists and thought leaders.
• 2:24:50
  And what was explained to him was that they are
• 2:24:54
  considering disclosure and that there have been visits of these
• 2:25:00
  super intelligent beings from somewhere else that we have retrieved,
• 2:25:04
  crashed vehicles, and that we have biological remains.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: And we are talking about disclosing. We would like you—
• 2:25:13
  To make a list of all the ways that it
• 2:25:16
  will negatively affect society and all the ways that it
• 2:25:19
  will positively affect society and attach a numerical value to
• 2:25:23
  these things. And they all did it and every one
• 2:25:26
  of them said the negatives far outweigh the positives in
• 2:25:29
  terms of the impact on government, the impact on the economy, religion,
• 2:25:34
  all these different factors and how it would disrupt society.
• 2:25:38
  And in the end, they decided not to disclose.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard that many times. I just don't buy it.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: You don't buy it.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I don't doubt what he's saying. I
• 2:25:47
  know all those guys. Now that you mentioned that was
• 2:25:48
  a movie, of course, and I met them all afterwards,
• 2:25:51
  but I don't, I just don't buy that.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: I think we should know. Let us know. Let us decide.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: No, I believe that too, but I, I wonder what
• 2:26:00
  that meeting was like and whether or not they were
• 2:26:04
  being truthful to these people or whether it was a
• 2:26:06
  thought experiment.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: Allegedly when they told Jimmy.
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: Carter, he cried. That's what I heard too.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: I was, yeah, it was, I won't go into all
• 2:26:14
  of it, but I was in a meeting.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: What would make him cry?
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. He's a very sensitive guy,
• 2:26:20
  but I understand.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: But I mean, he was also, I cried when I
• 2:26:22
  saw old yeller.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did too. Still cry.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: But they, uh, he, he had seen a UFO, you know,
• 2:26:28
  he was on a Navy sub nuclear sub. And, um,
• 2:26:31
  I don't know if he saw that when he was
• 2:26:32
  on the sub or not. I can't remember, but you know,
• 2:26:35
  here he is. That guy, he's president United States.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: And he, they told him something. Supposedly he cried.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: And I was in the meeting and I, That was
• 2:26:43
  brought up, and the guy that they were trying to
• 2:26:46
  trip up gave the date of that meeting, and he said,
• 2:26:49
  you can go to the Carter Library and pull up
• 2:26:55
  that date, and you'll know there's one person they omitted
• 2:26:59
  their name, which who knows who that was, but they
• 2:27:02
  list the meeting and where he was when he got
• 2:27:04
  that briefing.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know either.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not. They also
• 2:27:14
  say Nixon pulled up one night to Jackie Gleason's.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: I know that story.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you know Jackie Gleason built that crazy house in
• 2:27:23
  upstate New York. Do you know about that?
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: Do not.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, you don't? It was for sale a while back.
• 2:27:29
  Jackie Gleason essentially built a UFO house.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: He built a house that looked like a flying saucer.
• 2:27:33
  No kidding. Yeah, it was for sale fairly recently within
• 2:27:36
  the last few years. That's the house. Oh, crap. That's
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  a house Jackie Gleason built after supposedly Richard Nixon took him.
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  So supposedly the story was they were golfing, out drinking,
• 2:27:48
  and Richard Nixon's like, hey, you want to see some shit?
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  And then he took him to see this UFO somewhere
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  on some base. You know, the story is very vague.
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  It's hard to tell what actually happened. But apparently, people
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  that knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly affected him. And
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  Jackie Gleason became obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then he
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  had this house built, the shape of a UFO, which is,
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  I mean, not evidence, but weird.
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  Speaker 1: That's very weird.
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  Speaker 2: Weird.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And Nixon was a very serious guy. That would have
• 2:28:22
  been an interesting scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed.
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  Speaker 1: But I— I just wish they'd show us everything.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see what comes
• 2:28:37
  out this week. But thank you very much for being here.
• 2:28:39
  I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could get you to move to East Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we saved Texas ass, man. Did you? Yeah, David Crockett.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he was in Congress and got beat.
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  He was a state legislator, and he got beaten in Congress.
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  And he said, as for– let's see, his quote was,
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  for me– He says, for you, you can all go
• 2:29:00
  to hell. As for me, I'm going to Texas. He
• 2:29:03
  goes to Alamo and gets killed. But he parlayed that
• 2:29:06
  into a Disney special, so he kind of evened out.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Sort of. Sort of. I'm very partial to Texas.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: All right. We're a low-tech state. I know. Texas is
• 2:29:15
  a low-tech state.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: I just love it here. I love a lot of
• 2:29:17
  things about Texas. I love the people. It's a fun
• 2:29:20
  place to be.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My buddy Chip Roy, he's leaving. He's from down here.
• 2:29:23
  A bunch of these guys in Congress are down here
• 2:29:26
  that are leaving.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: And they're going to Tennessee?
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: No, they're coming down here.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're coming down here.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: He's running for AG down here. But, no, they're all
• 2:29:33
  coming home. They're tired of Washington.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 3: Latrell told me. I said, why are you leaving Congress, dude?
• 2:29:38
  And he says, I want to spend time with my family.
• 2:29:40
  My kids are growing up. And I was like, can't
• 2:29:42
  argue with that, brother.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the pressure of Congress, the pressure of Washington
• 2:29:47
  and D.C. is just so odd. I've only been there
• 2:29:50
  a couple times, but every time I'm there and I leave,
• 2:29:52
  I'm like, yuck.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: It's like when I used to minister to a guy
• 2:29:57
  in prison. And when you leave Brushy Mountain State Prison,
• 2:30:01
  I call it that institutional smell. Whatever they use to
• 2:30:04
  clean that place, you just smell like it. You could
• 2:30:08
  smell it in your nose for days later. And Washington, D.C.,
• 2:30:11
  it's more of a filthy smell.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's necessary, supposedly.
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  But it's odd to visit. But I appreciate people like you.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: And I appreciate you doing the right thing, especially for
• 2:30:24
  our veterans and on disclosure and all the other hot-button issues.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: And you got Hecklefish right there. I do.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: Hecklefish.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: He said my name on his show one time. Yeah,
• 2:30:34
  I love that show.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: He said my name one time. He said it wrong,
• 2:30:37
  but he's a Yankee, so I guess it's okay. It's
• 2:30:39
  like Burchette or something.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It was awesome. All right, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.