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Living...Not Leaving Your Legacy with Codi Shewan · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, Ron.
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  It's, it's Roxanne Derhodge from Authentic Living with Roxanne.
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  Thanks for tuning in again this week.
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  Today, I have a special colleague Cody Shee.
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  Is it she when or is it she hand?
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  Neither.
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  She went.
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  She went.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  And, you know, 50 slaps for me because I should know this, well, you know, as much time as I do
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  with you.
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  Cody and I.
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  Cody is now the upcoming presidents for the Canadian Association of Professional Speakers,
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  and I've sat on this board with him for quite a while without, pronouncing his name well.
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  So, forgive me for that, Cody.
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  So Cody is been so gracious and give us some time today, and he, has been doing,
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  professional speaking for a long time, but he has a special message around legacy.
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  So I'll tell you a little bit about him, and we'll jump right in.
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  So he's a professional, speaker trainer consultant.
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  And in 2020, became the best selling author of the critically acclaimed book, everyday legacy,
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  lessons for living with purpose right now.
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  So not waiting, but doing it right now.
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  Is passion for empowering others to see the best in themselves and to re redefine their
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  legacy from something they lee they leave to something they live every day is the driving
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  force be behind his work.
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  He's also passionate about giving back.
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  And like I said, this in 2021, he's the president of the Canadian Association of
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  Professor speakers in our Toronto chapter.
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  So, Cody, thanks again for coming on.
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  So we're gonna talk, like, your your background is pretty fascinating and, probably not often
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  times something people might want to bring up.
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  You know, unless you get into a situation where you might have had to use your services.
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  So for 20 years, he acted as a funeral director and, what a beginning to talking about legacy
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  today.
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  So tell us a little bit about being surrounded by death.
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  Like, what what kind of things were you exposed to and, you know, what did it teach you for
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  those 20 years?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, it's it's a it's a great place to start, and it's you're right.
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  It does often turn people's heads.
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  It inspires some interesting reactions, and and people are often curious about what a career
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  spent surrounded by death taught me.
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  And many people would think that a career spent in that space would would have taught me a lot
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  of death.
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  And in fact, it taught me a lot about life.
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  It taught me a lot about the power of showing up and having presence in the people's lives
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  around us and really understanding the impact that we're making while we're still here.
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  You know, one of the stories that I tell in the book, and it's a powerful story is that know, I
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  was conducting a funeral one day, for a gentleman, we'll just say he was grandfatherly
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  like, probably in his seventies or eighties.
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  And the stories that folks were telling about him were so moving.
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  You know, the room was filled with tears from laughter at some points.
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  And, obviously, tears of sadness, but it was a real gamut of emotions, this service.
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  And, of course, I had done thousands of services before that, but there was just
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  something about this this guy that resonated, this man, and and I thought, you know, the
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  world would be better for for knowing this guy.
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  And I wonder if he acted the way he did on purpose.
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  I wonder if he showed up that way because he was conscious of the impact he was making.
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  Mhmm.
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  Or if he didn't, what a shame You know, what a shame if he didn't understand the depth and
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  breadth of his impact.
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  And so it was in that moment that I really had this epiphany that everything I had ever
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  thought about legacy up until that point was something that I had equated to what comes
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  after once we're gone, what were dead.
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  And if we just shifted that narrative from leaving to living a legacy and we started to
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  understand the difference we could make, whether it's in, you know, the people in our
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  homes, whether it's the people in our community, whether it's a larger impact we
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  wanna make, perhaps it's even the world, that when we understand the difference that we make,
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  we really then can double down and compound that effect and have a ripple effect of our
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  legacies while we're still here and really understand the magnitude of difference we can
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  make.
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  Absolutely.
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  And I I would think, you know, with my background, you I I did a a fair amount of work
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  in trauma.
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  And my one of my very first positions right out of school was I was a first responder with the
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  Metro Toronto Police.
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  And, what I would often do, and I was 22 at that time Cody.
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  So, you know, really, you know, really not knowing what I was stepping into.
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  Right.
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  My very first call was, attending a murder suicide in Toronto, and I was struck by the
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  impact of what that did to someone.
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  So you're talking about the reverse or the polar opposite of that really is which is
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  living versus leaving, which I like that because that really gives us something to kind
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  of think about, right, like how how will I repeat?
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  What stories will the people tell, you know, the night of my wake or when they're coming in,
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  versus Obviously, they'll miss you profusely that, people that love you, but what kind of
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  stories will they tell about you?
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  So let's talk about So you you got prompted by this man, and I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that
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  his stories were probably quite moving.
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  Powerful.
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  What what prompted you to actually write the book about legacy?
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  Was it the stories?
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  Was there other things in your life that really kinda made you say, this is something that I
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  really kinda have to put pen to paper on.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, the interesting thing was that experience was, you know, almost 15 years ago.
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  That I had this sort of lightning bolt moment around this idea of legacy.
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  And it just is something that started to permeate everything that I thought about the
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  work that I was doing.
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  And, you know, funeral directors are some of the kindest heart centered, heart driven, and
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  heart led individuals that I know.
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  In the book, I talk about, you know, in many ways, we can equate them to the firefighter
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  running into the burning building to extinguish the fire, funeral directors really lead with
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  their heart and step up and embrace people at one of life's most difficult times and really
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  partner with them through the ensuing days.
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  And in many cases, months of care afterwards.
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  And so I started to really reframe this idea of legacy and how it was showing in the work that
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  I did, but it didn't lead me to write a book right away.
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  In fact, you know, I think what it did was put a microscope on the work that I was doing to
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  notice things like echoes over regret, which I talk about in the book.
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  You know, this idea that, we need to be selfful to fill our own comp in order to be of service
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  to other.
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  So in fact, I think Roxanne, what it was doing was was at least highlighting for me the areas
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  that I could focus on that I could create a greater impact that with that I could
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  ultimately live my everyday legacy through the work I was doing.
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  And then I tried to write a business book.
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  You know, I I do a lot of keynote speaking.
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  I know.
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  And I talk a lot about organizational development, leadership, change management, and
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  really the the culture of organizations and how to how to have that is the the single driving
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  force in your organization before anything else.
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  And I tried to write that book 3 or 4 times, and it failed miserably.
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  I just was not getting past the first, maybe, chapter each time.
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  I wasn't in love with what I was writing.
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  Mhmm.
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  And what's interesting is my my logical left brain kicked it and said, well, dummy, you've
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  never written a book before.
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  Of course, you don't know how to write a book.
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  That's the obstacle.
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  So I hired a book coach, you know, much like yourself, myself, a lot of our colleagues, when
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  when you're in a spot and you don't know what to do, you hire an expert.
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  You you tap into expertise.
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  And so I hired this book coach and lo and behold, the obstacles were just the same.
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  I ran into the very same obstacles.
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  And at one point, this gracious, beautiful human said to me, stop.
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  Stop.
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  Stop.
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  Up.
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  Just tell me one thing you believe with all conviction to be true.
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  All your conviction to be true.
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  What's one thing?
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  And I said, I really think we have the definition of legacy all wrong.
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  I think that we go through life hoping that we are in many in many cases, subconsciously,
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  living in a way that will be remembered purposefully and perhaps fondly when we're
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  gone.
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  But if we just started focusing on it now, we could be in control of that narrative.
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  We could understand and perhaps it could propel us more to show up with whatever our everyday
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  legacy is, kindness, impact, influence, you know, humility, graciousness, whatever those
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  whatever those characteristics are that bake the cake, if you will, of of legacy for each
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  individual that really that it could change how we live in the world.
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  It could change how we live with purpose, and then we could do so on purpose.
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  And about 4 hours later, we hung up the phone.
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  And before we did, she said, I think there's the book you you wanna write.
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  And what's really interesting to that is, as you know, I spent, you know, 20 years in the
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  corporate space, and before I launched my own, entrepreneurial venture in consulting.
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  And when I left, you know, one of the one of the things that I saw so happens so frequently
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  in the in the corporate environment was these incredible ideas by these incredibly bright
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  individuals sort of live, be born, if you will, and live on the boardroom table and then die
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  when the when when that product or service or initiative hit the front line, and it was
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  because so often, we sitting around the board table thought we had this great idea, but it
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  just never executed fully at online because the people weren't passionate about the idea.
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  They didn't share the same vision or values necessarily.
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  And there was just a giant often disconnect between the leadership of the organization and
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  the frontline.
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  And so when I started my consultancy, I I left and said, the principal tenant of my consulting
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  work will be people first always.
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  And when we use that as a catalyst in our organizations to understand the front lines of
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  our business, who these people are, what their skills are, what the pain points are between
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  them, you know, doing doing the work and doing the work purposefully and passionate we really
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  start to then rethink how we are working in the workplace with our teams, how we're engaging
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  how how engaging we are as leadership as leadership team members.
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  And so it's not really even though I've connected the later.
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  In the moment, I never connected the dots that here I had this very individual centric
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  business philosophy around focusing on people, the individuals in the 1st and foremost.
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  And then I wrote a book that's very personally driven, non prescriptive, but still has the
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  underlying business tone of business context people can apply it, in their work as well.
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  So it's funny how all these things line up the puzzle pieces.
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  As I like to say, these are, you know, a series of shoulder that all lead us in the right
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  direction.
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  Sometimes they're not obvious at first, but, boy, oh, boy, when they make themselves clear,
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  do they ever make themselves clear?
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  Well, you know, I, you know, I talk about authenticity and leaders And obviously, you
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  know, when they are big goals, each person on the front line needs to be there has to be some
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  kind of connection between what is the big vision and how I'm gonna get there.
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  And I talk about leaders being connected to themselves in order that they might be able to,
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  you know, move things along.
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  So if everybody has that vision, but they're coming from that authentic space, they're able
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  to get there sooner.
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  Now in the time that we're in, this economic uncertainty, this if we think about legacy, you
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  know, Cody, you know, I'm sure.
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  I know I've thought about, you know, if if something were to happen, unfortunately, and
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  most of us have thought about this because of the time we're in.
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  What kind of things have you found that people are talking about now that you've launched this
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  book and and in this time around legacy?
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  I think I think in particular, it's around this idea that I introduce into the book called The
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  Pause.
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  And that is really time that we have to carve out for ourselves.
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  You know, it's the one thing I think in this COVID reality that we're living in that is a
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  globally shared experience is that most of us, in in many cases, save and accept our very
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  frontline workers, which include federal, professionals as well.
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  You know, that that most of us have been sequestered away at home.
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  Sometimes not really sure what to do with our times or how our business is going to adapt.
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  Sometimes we're wearing multiple hats where, you know, we're the CEO of our businesses.
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  We're also the principal educator in our homes.
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  We're also the chief disinfector many times.
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  Whatever the case may be, whatever we wear, we have all found, I think, some clarity around
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  what's important.
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  And when I say what's important, it's less what and more who.
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  You know, and I think that that is applies both personally and professionally that, you know, a
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  real microscope has gone over workplaces and how we communicate, how we connect, and
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  especially when COVID, I I think, has introduced to humanity, like we've never seen
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  before, that if we just spend some time thinking about that, we can capitalize on
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  unifying and coming together.
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  Not only globally, I think there's a lot of global crises in the world right now that you
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  know, goodness could use all of our collective positive efforts.
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  But even in our workplaces, even in our homes that the shared humanity to really see people
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  how they need to be seen, and to give them the capacity to show up how they can show up with
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  the resources they have.
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  I think has really shown a very positive light on working, even if that work is still remote
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  right now for most of us, I think that that pause is is critical, the time to carve out to
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  do these things, to just spend some time being conscious.
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  Has really opened people's eyes and awareness.
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  And I think it it puts them into that into that mindset of the ability to be adaptable and
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  flexible versus this stagnant mindset that, you know, even present company, I got caught up in
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  the very beginning, you know, like, how am I gonna pivot?
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  How am I gonna change?
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  And it all just felt like a a mountain at times that I was not equipped to to climb, but
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  steadily focusing on it steadily steadily carving out time for for me to fill my own cup
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  enabled me to show up powerfully, not only in my own work, but for my team and in their work
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  as well.
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  So let's talk a little bit about, echoes of regrets and, you know, how we should live a
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  life with fear should have.
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  Because I I, you know, I often think, you know, in in, when you think of people that are in, my
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  dad's gonna my dad's 84 and, you know, interesting the stories that my father tells me
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  now, about his when he was a little boy.
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  And I I often thought my father was, you know, a CEO throughout my life, and I would get
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  snippets, not even the real stories.
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  And now he's telling me all these really vulnerable, deep, connected conversations about
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  his humble beginnings.
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  And I said to him, I said, daddy, how come How come you never shared this before?
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  He goes, it just wasn't the right time.
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  So I'm I'm interested with with your, you know, I resonate when I hear that term, you know, re
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  the echoes of regrets.
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  And tell me a little bit more about that because I I'm sure everyone of this thing would
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  want to know more about that concept.
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  Sure.
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  Sure.
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  Sure.
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  So so often I sat around the arrangement table, and I would be discussing, you know, funeral
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  arrangements with with individuals who had lost someone.
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  And more frequently than I can count Roxanne, I I heard things like, I wish I had done this or
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  I wish we had, had said this.
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  I wish we might have.
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  I wish we could have.
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  They included things like, I wish I'd said I love you one more time, or I wish I hadn't gone
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  to that angry.
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  I wish we had gone on, you know, that trip that we kept putting You know, I wish I'd shared how
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  I really felt.
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  Mhmm.
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  You know, all these should haves or could haves.
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  And there was always this tiny little voice inside my head that said, why didn't you, or
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  why did you in many cases?
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  You know, it was, you know, it was more eye opening for me that many of the things that
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  people often regretted those echoes of regret that ultimately, they were things that were
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  surmountable, that with one tiny shift, perhaps in the time that it would take to snap your
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  fingers, that you could have done those things.
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  It was just the difference between, not doing them and doing them.
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  Now that's not to simplify it because we all know that you know, if a if a relationship has
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  been fractured for years of decades or longer, it's not as simple as just saying, I love you.
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  Perhaps for the first time in a long time, but the decision to consider it, the decision to
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  look through a different lens, that happens in the snap of a finger.
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  And so it's just about getting to that point that we can limit the echoes of regret because
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  the challenge in the examples that I had was the person was gone.
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  And there was no way to remediate that, unless it was on your own.
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  And so it means showing up as powerfully as you can in the lives of those around single day and
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  and really sharing with them what they mean to you and also listening for, queues and looking
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  for hints at how you show up powerfully in the lives of others.
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  What difference do we make individually?
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  Whether it's individually or as leaders, are you a part of people's stories?
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  And if so, how?
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  And if it's of positive benefit in the world, how can you manifest more of How can you
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  replicate that behavior so that it's not one team member if it's professionally that you
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  show up in, power you show up powerfully, but your entire team and perhaps the entire
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  organization and perhaps even into your into your into your, customers, your external
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  audience as well.
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  You know, it's it's powerful when we start to think about these things.
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  And, you know, it's through the lens of death, which no one wants to talk about, But as I
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  said, as I submit in the book, you don't just spend a long time there.
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  You know, these lessons are so powerful and so poignant that usually, again, in the same snap
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  of a finger, you can reframe the positive and
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  to them?
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  No.
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  I often, you're gonna laugh at me, but I was born in Trinidad and Tobago.
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  And, so I grew up there and I, you know, we would joke around.
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  So for wakes in Trinidad.
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  What they do is, which is kind of interesting is they tell stories.
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  It's probably based on on the British legacy, you know, of the island.
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  But in Trinidad, what's kind of nice.
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  And I I often say that I want a steel pan.
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  I want calypso music, and I also want people to tell the stories about me, that are the funny
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  ones.
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  Well, of course, people are gonna cry and, you know, because I that's why we just, you know,
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  express love but I said, what about those silly things that you know about me that, you know,
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  you remember where Roxanne did blank?
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  You know, that would put such a spin on things because, like, to your point, when we already
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  think of our legacy, it's kind of what would people say about us right now?
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  Let's say when we when we were to enter or leave a room, those are the things that really
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  and if you think, oh, I don't want to remember with this quality, I might want more of this.
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  You know, so I think that would be such a powerful thing to have those discussions now.
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  And even From a leadership perspective, tell me your point point of view on this, I think if
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  leaders got more comfortable with speaking about their legacy, and how it translates out,
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  not just not not sharing super a lot about their personal lives, that might help them
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  translate, and kind of from their, you know, top down mentality, be able to translate or
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  relates all the way through to the front line and even to the front facing facing customer.
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  Yeah.
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  I I totally agree.
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  And I think when it comes to leadership, you know, setting coding?
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  Yeah.
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  It does.
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  A 100%.
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  When you think about setting that stage, with a bit of vulnerability.
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  You know, people identify with vulnerability.
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  They identify with, these stories.
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  And it's in these stories that you embed yourself in the minds and in the hearts of the
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  people that work with And be because ultimately Roxanne, people identify with stories more than
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  anything else.
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  And, you know, so so really, I think you're exactly right.
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  I think leaning into that as a leader and and making a decision every single day to make sure
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  you're connecting in a meaningful way with your team members.
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  It doesn't need to be individually.
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  And if you have 800 employees, you know, that's a logistical challenge.
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  But is there something you can do every single day to impart that, you know, ultimately your
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  legacy of leadership to the people that you serve in, in your organization?
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  I think that I think that makes a lot of sense because if you're doing that on a daily basis,
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  this whole concept that uses being self full.
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  So tell me more about that because I'm thinking if, as a leader, if I'm self full, if I'm
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  understanding that concept, I'm gonna understand where I'm at and if I'm kind of
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  depleted or if there's certain things that I need to do.
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  So tell me more about the concept of self full.
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  Well, so many of us are raised when we spend time thinking about ourselves or on ourselves,
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  then in fact, we are being selfish.
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  And so many of our many as many of us are raised with the humility to focus on others
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  first.
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  You know, we're taught that saying, you know, to give is better than to receive.
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  The challenge is when you when you don't spend time replenishing your own reserves, you're
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  operating from a place of low energy.
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  And when you think about that, you wanna do things that enable you to show up as powerfully
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  as you can.
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  Now it might be nice to think about getting away for a week to a sunny spot with a beverage
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  or 2 to your right hand side on, you know, with your feet facing the water.
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  You know, that's maybe in an ideal world, but we have to figure out ways that can take the
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  same value that we get from maybe a week away into our every single day, and it might be as
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  simple as something for 10 minutes, meditation, yoga.
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  It could be getting a workout in It could be a a walk.
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  It could be a conversation with a friend.
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  It could be reading.
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  It could be whatever you need it to be.
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  Whatever is powerful for you.
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  That allows you to escape our the daily busy of our minds into a space that allows you to fill
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  your own up first.
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  And then in order to be of service to others, we're operating from this place of, infinite
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  reserve where we are ultimately focused on on the greater good of the organization through
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  service of self and to self as a principal tenant well.
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  So looking at it from a, really an abundance lens, right, because I'm gonna be doing little
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  things, you know, not the concept as soon as I hit the tarmac, I'm I'm back to reality, but
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  recognizing that I can do all those things and most all of us in the last 8 months of really,
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  we we haven't been able to travel.
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  Most of us, would be on planes and trains and doing also fun things, but even in our travel
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  for business, most of us have been sitting And I think that's really I think it's challenged a
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  lot of people to say, what can I do?
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  What little things can I do?
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  And I've even explored so much more in my little neighborhood of places that I've I've
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  been here for, like, 25 years.
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  And the little things that I've even noticed now, it's it's pretty amazing because I've been
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  I've been home more.
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  Right?
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  So I've been able to do little things just to have fun, whereas before I'd be in my car or
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  taking off for the weekend, those types of things.
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  So go ahead.
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  Go ahead.
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  Yeah.
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  I wanna give a suggestion here.
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  And and that is that, you know, when we think about the little things that we can do to make
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  an impact, not only for ourselves, but sometimes it's in the seemingly inconsequential
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  things.
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  So here's an exercise that we can either do as individuals with those we love in our family or
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  even as leaders with our team.
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  It's a simple little, technique, but pull out your cell phone or perhaps your email
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  distribution list and and if you're a leader and share an email to each person, that is just
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  a line or 2.
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  You know, your you make a difference because dot, dot, dot, and then fill in how that person
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  makes a difference, whether it's to you as a leader, to someone in the organization, perhaps
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  to your customers, whatever the case may be, it doesn't take a long time, but the impact that
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  one little thing can make will be, you know, it won't be inconsequential.
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  The act might seem inconsequential, but its power can be, you know, it can oftentimes not
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  even be measured.
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  It can be so impactful to the individual receiving it that it can totally shift their
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  day.
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  And with loved ones, we can send them a quick note and say, and I love doing this.
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  I have something I have to tell you dot, dot, dot, and hit send.
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  And then inevitably, you get flooded with, usually a response very quickly saying what's
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  up or what's wrong.
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  But you can get that pretty quickly when you say, you know, I when I think about you and the
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  legacy you're living, this is what I think about, you know, and you you'll share you know,
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  it made such a difference to me when you did this or that time in your example that you made
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  me laugh so hard.
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  I almost peed myself.
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  You know, whatever the case may be, And you can see right now, I already know that just in
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  sharing that story, you're thinking about one of those times when you've laughed hard enough
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  that that could happen.
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  And you're starting to remember the story.
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  And the story is the piece that's the powerful part.
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  It's triggering those memories.
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  It's why when I wrote the book, One of the things that I refused to do was write it
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  prescriptively.
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  I did not write the book as a this is how you live your legacy.
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  It's told through story and so that the reader can identify with those stories or perhaps the
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  circumstances, perhaps the individuals, in those environments, in those stories, and then
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  that will propel them to see the lesson in their own world and their own reality.
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  And so, you know, it's powerful to do these things, and it doesn't take a long time.
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  If leaders had 10 direct reports and, you know, they they did this and it took 2 minutes each,
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  it's 20 minutes out of your day.
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  And I think most leaders would agree that while we are more pressed for time than ever, 20
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  minutes is not a lot of time to carve out when they start to realize the impact that 20
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  minutes can make You know, if you look at the if you look at 20 minutes being wasted, it's
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  hard to hard to qualify or quantify the impact because it was wasted, but when you spend time
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  doing these sort of exercises that are simple, seemingly, and consequential, the the magnitude
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  can be, formidable.
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  And when it's least expected to as well, right?
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  Like, you know, just to be able to really say to someone, you know what, Cody, when you did
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  this with me at the board meeting, This is what I remembered.
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  I I chuckled because I thought about it, and it was it really meant a lot to me, but it's it's
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  when I I find that with feedback like this, which is what you're talking about, it's when
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  you're not expecting it and someone says something that you may have said or done that
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  it really it lights up your part that much more because you're thinking, wow.
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  I was not it was not prescriptive.
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  It's not performance evaluation time.
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  It's not bonus time.
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  Those types of things, not the traditional things.
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  But just out of nowhere, someone set fix something really nice of you, and then they
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  share it with you.
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  And I think when you're talking about just little things that you could start doing, that
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  would be something that's senior leadership or just managers in general could do that would
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  would, not take a lot of their time.
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  So where can people find out more about, everyday legacy?
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  Where where is it?
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  You know, I know you've I've I've seen, on social that you've been out and you've been,
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  you know, you're in California promoting the book.
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  Where what's what where can they reach it?
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  You, with, whether it's speaking or, consulting or just to anything related to the book.
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  At least from a website perspective to learn more about the book, kodyshuen.com, Cody with
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  an ICODI s h e w a n com is where you can find anything to do with my speaking.
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  And I'm all over social media at Cody again with an eye, Schoen.
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  You can find me everywhere, Instagram, Facebook, and and I I love connecting with
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  people who, maybe have listened today and it's resonated or whoever read the book because it's
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  it's this conversation is important, but it's the conversation that comes after and the
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  conversations that ensue as a result of these kinds of considerations, these kind of
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  perspective shifts or lens changes that, I think is the most powerful.
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  So to anyone listening that wants to connect, please do.
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  I'm happy.
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  I'm happy to.
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  Awesome.
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  Well,
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  you know, I often say that I always pick something, pick a topic or a point.
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  And what I often say is that with, unfortunately, with the my background with the
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  mental health being a mental health and wellness specialist, what happens is crisis
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  creates shifts.
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  But what you're saying is let's not wait for the crisis create the legacy.
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  Let's do it now.
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  Do it often.
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  It does not have to take a lot of time and look at the impact that you'd be creating with the
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  people around you now.
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  So again, Cody, thanks for your time for anyone wanting to learn more about authentic
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  relationships.
• 29:49
  You can go to roxanderhodge.com, and there's a quick quiz that you can take.
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  So you can learn a little bit more about what it takes to be authentically connected in your
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  relationships.
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  Okay.
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  Take care, everyone, and take care Cody.
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  We'll talk to you soon.
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