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Do You Like Brahms? | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 52 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas. And I'm back for a new episode,
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  a new K drama. And today I'm joined by the
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  incredible Sarah from K Drama. This slash the cohost of
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  Afternoon Ask podcast. How are you, Sarah?
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  Hey, I'm so excited to be here, Jess.
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  So thank you so much for inviting me.
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  Yes, I'm absolutely thrilled that you're here.
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  I think I asked you on this episode like January or February
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  of this year. We're now towards the end of the
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  summer and I feel terrible that it's taken this long to get
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  here, but I'm thrilled that we were both able to watch the show
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  that we're going to talk about today.
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  Do you like Brahms, A musical K drama?
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  And we're going to do a nice deep dive.
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  I forgot to preface this by saying that I was going to ask
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  you this question, which was how did you get into K dramas and
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  see dramas and all the rest. Oh right.
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  Well and so I my background, for those of you who don't know me,
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  I'm British Chinese, so my parents are from Hong Kong.
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  So I technically been watching Asian dramas.
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  So Hong Kong dramas, like way before any Western dramas or any
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  other dramas really. Because, you know, so I'm, I'm
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  sufficiently old, right? We only had one TV in the house
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  when I was growing up and like after dinner and the programming
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  for the cartoon stops. Then it like my parents like
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  this is like our TV time now and so you can sit and watch TV with
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  us, but it's Hong Kong dramas or you can go to bed.
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  And I was like, I don't like going to bed.
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  I'm gonna stay around and watch these Hong Kong dramas.
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  So. So technically I've been
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  watching sees Hong Kong dramas trying to Hong Kong Chinese
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  dramas all my childhood. So since I was young and I was
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  very lucky. So I'm a child of the 80s and
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  back then TVB, which is like the main Hong Kong broadcasting
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  channel, was like in its. Golden era, so people that you
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  might know so like Tony Lung who played the Mandarin in Shangchi,
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  the Marvel movie like. It was his heyday, you know,
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  like he was an opera. So he was my original, my
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  original opera, like my crush when I was growing up and and
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  then Andy Lau, who he was in a movie with.
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  It's like a big star. And so in fact, you probably
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  know Crouching Tiger and Michelle Yeoh and Jackie Chan,
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  like this is their era. Like, this is the era that I
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  grew up. So I think we kind of all
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  acknowledge that Hong Kong drama is just it's not really where
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  it's at anymore, but back in the day.
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  And Leslie Chung he gets like regularly kind of name dropped
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  and he was hugely properly in career.
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  I don't I didn't realize until I started watching K drama and I
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  see references to him and his movies all the time now.
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  So obviously he was really big in career.
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  So yeah, so grew up with that and then K dramas.
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  So again there was like this this.
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  So in Cantonese I'll say Daichung gum is I think it's a.
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  A really old, very popular K drama that charted like the
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  history of a female physician. So my first proper K drama was
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  during Lockdown. Like it's historical drama, but
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  it was huge in Asia. And like my parents were
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  watching it like just kind of binging and binging it.
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  And I remember dipping in and out of it, but I just wasn't
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  really like getting it. And and they were binging.
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  So they were like doing like way into the night.
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  And I was like, I'm, I got to sleep.
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  So I. And so, similar to many others
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  crash lending on you. Was.
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  My gateway drama. My gateway drama.
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  And yeah, it was like an experience, right?
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  So just so I'm a romance reader. I've always been like a lifelong
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  romance reader. And I was just like, what is
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  this drama like? They literally put.
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  Everything in it, you know? Like, they don't, they don't
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  limit themselves. They don't limit themselves,
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  right? Like, they're gonna just Chuck
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  everything at this drama. And like, I got to the end and I
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  was like, my God, what is this? I've got like the worst
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  hangover. I was playing the soundtrack
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  like over and over. And I was like, I think the only
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  way I can cure myself in this hangover.
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  It's just to rewatch the whole thing, cuz I've just gotta do
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  like I've just gotta see them again and do more crying and
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  like, yeah, and then I feel like I can lay this drama to rest and
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  and then that's it. Down the rabbit hole I went and
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  like, I don't think I've watched barely any Western dramas since
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  Crash landing on you. And that's basically now my mini
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  journey. My God, I love to hear.
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  I love to hear people's origin stories and how you grew up in
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  the heyday of Hong Kong cinema and television and how that's
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  really just segued into talking about key dramas because the
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  pandemic made us all rethink life and, you know, changed our
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  our watch habits tremendously. And I'm so thankful for crash
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  landing on you, which we have covered on the podcast.
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  I had my OG cohost Rico watch it and I was like, you don't
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  understand. This is like the gateway drama
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  for so many people. I was like trying to like how
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  make him understand the gravity of like what he's just watched.
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  And he was like, yeah, like he just did it.
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  It wasn't necessarily the gateway drama for him.
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  So and then I have been really sucky at choosing dramas for him
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  to watch because every time we come on here or he does a show
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  an episode with me for Tibak, he's like, it was fine.
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  He's not like riveted by anything.
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  He's just takes it all in stride and he's like, this was good,
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  this was bad and pretty even keeled.
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  And I haven't hit like a sweet spot where he's like that was an
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  amazing show. The only one that he's pretty
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  much said that about is Signal. I need to work that.
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  I still need to work that cuz I'm such a need you fan so.
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  My God, me too. Yeah, I have that out there.
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  He's doing like a fan. Me, I'm so I'm about to fly to
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  Asia for a holiday, for a family holiday, and I've been.
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  I've been like, just scouring the net to see if anyone is
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  doing a flipping fan meet while I'm out there.
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  Yeah. But unfortunately everyone is
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  going either just before or just after I'm there and I'm like,
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  oh, they're like in a different city altogether.
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  So I think he's just been to Manila or like Sewing Gook is
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  nearly in Manila. Or like, you know, there's just
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  like. But he was in Singapore earlier,
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  which is where I'm going to. And I was like, ah, you couldn't
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  do your fan meet in August when I'm gonna be there.
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  Like, I so wanted. Like even just, I'm just so
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  curious, right. So like, what happens on a fan
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  meet, right. Same I was about.
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  I mean, like if your dad meets are like an enigma.
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  Exactly right. If you're not, if you're not an
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  idol singer and you're not doing like, dance performances, like
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  what are you? And then do they speak in
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  Korean? And then people like, do they
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  does somebody live, translate or like how do you like what do
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  they do on fan Meets? I agree.
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  I have so many questions that can be answered.
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  They're just going to a fan. I know.
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  Well, thanks again for chatting really quick.
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  Before we get into this episode on Do you like Brahms?
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  So please join us over there. All right, Sarah, we're going to
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  start talking about do you like Brahms?
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  As always, nonspoiler and then spoiler section, and we can get
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  into it right now. I'll go ahead and start us off
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  with the MDL synopsis, which reads in defiance of her
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  family's opposition song, now gets accepted to the music
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  school of the same university where she originally majored in
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  business. As she's seven years older than
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  her classmates, she finds her new academic life daunting and
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  struggles to find strength. One day she hears June Young
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  playing Palma Hey, which I think that's how you say it.
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  It's in German and I looked up the pronunciation and I think I
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  just butchered it anyways, but. It's the Trauma Ray.
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  Trauma Ray for the those who don't speak German like me.
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  Anyway, this song comforts her doing.
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  Young is a talented pianist who started playing the piano when
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  he was six. He's been friends with Jung
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  Kyung and the granddaughter of Kilmu Group CEO for a long time
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  and is in love with her. When he decides to keep his
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  distance from Jung Kyung, he meets Sona.
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  So this show is a pandemic show. It aired from August to October
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  2020. It is 16 episodes long and it's
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  directed by Iun Zong. He's also directed In The
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  Interest of Love, which just came out a few months ago.
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  It's a 2022-2023 show and that's pretty much it.
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  This director hasn't done any other directing work.
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  It is written by Riu Bori and this this screenwriter only has
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  two writing credits. It's Do You Like Brahms and
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  Trolley from 2022 and then This stars Pakun Bin as Tesuna and
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  she is a child actress. She's still acting 30 + T V
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  credits. You might have seen her recently
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  in the King's Affection and Extraordinary attorney Wu, which
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  we have covered on the podcast. And then her costar is Kim Min
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  Jay, who plays Pak Jungyong. I will hereby call him here
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  after call him JYP for further remainder of the episode because
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  that is way easier than saying Pak Jungyong.
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  Min Jay has had a really good few years, I've said this
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  before, but the pandemic has done really good things for his
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  career, just like it's done really good things for other
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  actors and actresses. He was in Delhi and Cocky Prince
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  in 2021. Boom, The chosen Psychiatrist,
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  one, one and two both seasons, and then most recently in
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  Bloodhounds, which is a Netflix original from just this year,
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  2023. You might have seen him in other
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  things like I I always think of him as the King, the young
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  version of the King in Guardian, The Lonely and Great God.
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  And then he's also in Tempted, which is a Cruel Intentions
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  remake, basically. And yeah, you might have seen
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  him in some other stuff. So that's not, that's not all
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  he's been in. How do you feel about Pakun Bin
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  and Kim in J as actors and actresses in the industry, and
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  where have you seen them before? This is a great question because
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  actually it's the reason I picked this drama up.
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  So I saw King's affection, loved Pakun bin in this and in that
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  drama. And I was really intrigued by
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  this one. This was my first barring the
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  goblin kind of mini cameo thing. This was my first came in Jay
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  kind of drama as well and I was just blown away by how good they
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  were. And also cuz partner been I've
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  I've seen her in so I kind of watched part of hot stove leaf
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  but I hadn't I kind of it's on hold and she was but she's so
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  different right in that drama she is really.
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  I don't. Have you seen it?
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  Just, I haven't seen hot. So yeah.
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  So it's a sports drama. So that's kind of why I put it
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  on hold, because I was like, anyway, she plays like such a
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  dynamic character and she's really, like just really
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  energetic. And here she's just so
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  completely different, right? Really quiet, really
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  introverted. And in King's affection, like, I
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  feel like she was, you know, really quite alpha, right?
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  Because she was, basically. Like.
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  Playing a king, the most of the drama.
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  And so this role was like a really different side to her.
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  So I was really like, wow, is this like the same actress, you
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  know, so, so intrigued. And then Kim and Jay I, I kind
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  of thought that he was this kind of actor, like this role just
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  was. So it sat so well with him and
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  so easily on his shoulders. And then I watched Darlie and
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  Cocky Prince earlier this year and I was like, oh.
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  Like he is. Wow, he's an amazing actor,
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  right? Cuz he's just so completely
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  different. Like, you know, in that Have you
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  seen Dolly and Cocky Prince? I haven't seen that one.
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  I need you need to watch it, Jess.
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  So, like Dolly and Cocky Prince. Like he's the cocky Prince in
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  the titular. Like he's the titular Cocky
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  Prince. And he is just literally the
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  complete opposite of the character he plays in Brahms.
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  Like he's the closest we have, I think, to a Himbo.
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  As a K drama lead like he is, yeah, he is really like
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  uncultured. He's brash, He's a cocky Prince,
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  right So. And he's way less intelligent
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  than the female lead. And he's very pretty, obviously,
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  and just really shallow and materialistic.
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  And he totally carries it off. And I was just, Oh my God, he's
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  just like chalk and cheese. Like what an amazing actor that
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  he could do both so authentically and make you love
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  him as well. Like you know you could you can.
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  So he goes and gets. He's always dressed in light
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  heads. I know they were not supposed to
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  be talking about Darling Cocky Princess podcast.
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  We like he's, he's in like top to toe in like designer gear.
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  And then we realized that he's actually also a bit tight.
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  So he doesn't buy his designer gear from a designer shop.
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  He's a table that buys them from second hand Oh that's fine.
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  So funny good and but you still love him and that he he just has
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  that connection with the audience I think and then like
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  in Brahms it's just completely different right.
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  He's so reserved. He's so well turned out.
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  He's so you know stoic and but he again makes you fall for him
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  and I just think they're really I I just think it's incredibly
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  hard. I I mean, I I would just say
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  like the genius of this drama, I think.
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  Is that it's about two introverts, Yes.
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  Thank you. And they and they make you like
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  you draw. You're drawn to them and it's
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  amazing. And I'm still kind of a little
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  bit working out what the gene, the genius of how they did it,
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  right. Because it was, yeah, really
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  good. We're gonna circle back to that
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  because I think this is must be a genre or like a subgenre all
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  on its own with two characters that are introverts and how they
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  fall in love and how they navigate their relationship and
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  any misunderstandings that happen in K Drama Land.
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  Because they're not like the typical leads to me.
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  And it's been a really long time since I've seen other than
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  Summer Strike, which is 2/2 introverts falling in love as
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  well and really sweet sweet romance.
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  But. The this two introverts, I feel
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  like it's gone by the wayside, largely.
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  And it's so nice when you come across one of these stories
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  where you're like, there's something really frustrating at
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  times with them, but also very comforting to say.
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  These two sort of fall into each other and have to put themselves
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  forward in different ways, and it's difficult to sell a romance
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  where someone isn't naturally charismatic.
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  Yeah and and so quite like quiet.
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  Not quiet in the volume way but just quiet in people you know
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  and and obviously normally it's it's they'll pair an extravert
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  with an introvert or grumpy with sunshine or yeah and opposites
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  and it was just so lovely to see actually.
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  No, we're going to just find two people that see, you know, their
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  kind of person in this person and and you know, because they
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  open up in a way that they don't with others.
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  And it was really beautiful to watch.
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  Yeah. So quickly we have our second
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  couple slash second female lead. So we have Kim Sung Toll who
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  plays Hansong who is the cellist slash BFF and he will be in
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  Hellbound 2 later this year. He was the 2nd male lead in our
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  beloved summer. He was the president that
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  Vincenzo seduced in Vincenzo in 2021.
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  I just saw him in Sweet Home because we just reviewed Sweet
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  Home on the podcast and so he was in that.
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  Not to spoil anything about his character in that show, he will
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  definitely be back in Sweet Home too, I'm presumably.
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  And then he's been in Arthrochronicles, The Wind Blows
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  and Prison Playbook, as a matter of fact, which I really enjoyed.
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  Prison Playbook. And that's another episode that
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  you can scroll back in your podcast if you didn't listen to.
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  He stars opposite Pak Chi Chi Hyun, who is the second female
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  lead. She plays John Kyung and she's
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  most recently been in Reborn Rich, which I still haven't seen
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  yet, and love all play, which we've also covered on the
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  podcast. It's a sports show, Sports K
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  Drama. You me cells.
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  You might have seen her in you me cells if you saw her in You
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  me cells and you really hate her because she was really sort of
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  annoying and mean and conniving a little bit in You me cells.
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  Yeah, a bunch of stuff that she's been in.
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  But how did you feel about these two and where have you seen them
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  before? So Kim Sancho, can I just now
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  use your your podcast to manifest like a nice romance for
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  him? Do you not feel the same way?
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  I'm just like I like I watched him.
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  I loved him in prison playbook. I think that's my first drama
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  with him in it and then I watched this and but he's such a
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  good actor. He's just such a good actor.
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  Like, really makes he really makes me feel his pain.
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  Like his pain at not being loved.
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  Specifically. And then our beloved summer
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  again the same let's just he's just like constantly yearning
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  like his face is just like And then finally I got to Vincenzo
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  and it's like I've got to say it's a little bit homophobic
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  that kind of whole like section but still like.
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  He just rocks up and he just absolutely delivers it, right?
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  So even in Nintendo he's like yearning and I'm just like,
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  please, could someone please give him a drama where he ends
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  up happy and not yearning? Like could someone just love him
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  back? I.
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  Agree. I think he's way overdue for his
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  own romance. Yeah, for his own leading role.
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  Yes, and he can act really well. I I think everything that I've
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  seen him and I'm like, wow, he's really good.
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  He's different in any in everything, and it might be just
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  that he's choosing projects that are varied and characters that
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  are different, even though they don't end up.
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  With the with the, you know person at the end.
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  But I agree, I think he's he's overdue to to get his own show.
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  Hopefully it'll happen soon for him.
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  And let's manifest that together Will will collectively yearn for
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  that and request that of the industry.
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  And then Poxy Hyun, Have you seen her before?
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  No. This is my first drama of hers,
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  actually, and I think she has a very difficult character.
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  Oh my. God, yes.
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  So I think she actually did quite well in a way because it's
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  I think probably of the all four characters hers was the more
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  complex one to play, so. Yeah.
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  And I went on my own little journey with her and her
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  character. So by the end of it, I was like,
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  do you know what? Hats off to you.
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  You did actually. Really.
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  You really did this character justice, and it was not an easy
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  role. It was not an easy role.
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  And maybe because I came in with my own biases of not liking her
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  from other shows, not not liking her acting, I mean, like she's
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  consistently playing these characters that are, they're
• 21:30
  testing you. Yeah, OK yeah.
• 21:33
  And so when I saw her in the show, I was like, oh shit, here
• 21:36
  she is again. I was like, Dang it.
• 21:39
  And sure enough, her character is really difficult to like.
• 21:42
  She's actually quite unlikable and she's prickly and she's
• 21:47
  irritable and she's jealous, and it's totally fine for characters
• 21:54
  to be flawed and you know what have you.
• 21:58
  But in this show, I really was disliking her for the bulk of
• 22:02
  it. It was only until the last
• 22:04
  couple of episodes that I was like, OK, fine, yeah, fine, I
• 22:09
  will allow it. You know what I'm saying?
• 22:12
  I do. I had the same journey.
• 22:14
  I had the same journey. Yeah, well I think I can guess
• 22:18
  what your feelings are, but what were your overall thoughts on Do
• 22:22
  you like Brahms? I was just so in awe of this
• 22:27
  drama. Like it's really.
• 22:30
  Like, it just really surprised me.
• 22:31
  So when I started it, I just didn't.
• 22:33
  I kind of started it on a whim. Like I said, I saw puck and bin
• 22:36
  and I was like, oh, like they're classical musicians.
• 22:39
  I don't really know much about classical music.
• 22:41
  So I was like, you know, I'm just going to start it and I
• 22:44
  might end up like 2 episodes in and just not carrying it on,
• 22:46
  which is kind of like the thing that I do.
• 22:50
  But before I knew it, I was like 8 episodes in and I was so
• 22:53
  invested. I just.
• 22:56
  Was the writing was amazing that acting was.
• 22:59
  I just loved it. I think it's so underrated.
• 23:01
  So that's the other thing because people don't talk enough
• 23:03
  about this drama. No they don't.
• 23:04
  They really don't And and I was. So that's partly also it because
• 23:08
  you kind of you know you like you hear stuff and like someone
• 23:10
  says oh this is an amazing drama you gotta go and see it or or
• 23:13
  like it's a really famous you know like genre setting drama or
• 23:17
  whatever. But no one really talks about
• 23:19
  this drama and. So I just thought maybe it was
• 23:21
  just gonna be something that like was a bit of a palate
• 23:23
  cleanser in between a couple of like big dramas that I was
• 23:25
  watching. But no, it just and it stayed
• 23:28
  with me. And This is why it was so lovely
• 23:31
  that you you invited me back because it was to talk about
• 23:33
  this drama rather because it was so, so lovely to relive it again
• 23:38
  actually and just kind of re enjoy it and rewatch some clips
• 23:41
  and listen to the soundtrack again and just be reminded of
• 23:44
  how what a great drama this is. And so.
• 23:47
  It's good that you're doing this so that other people who may not
• 23:50
  have seen it pick it up and well might be intrigued by this
• 23:53
  podcast and think I'm gonna give this a go cuz it deserves.
• 23:56
  It yeah. I can't remember how this ended
• 23:59
  up on the docket for season 4, but I'm glad that it did.
• 24:02
  I am really partial to musical dramas.
• 24:06
  We've covered Dream High on the show.
• 24:07
  I don't know if any other podcast has covered Dream High.
• 24:10
  Maybe it's just cuz it's a bit of a torture to watch, but we
• 24:14
  did the hard work. If you want to, if you want to,
• 24:16
  no thoughts about that one, then scroll back and listen to it.
• 24:19
  But I have a soft spot for music dramas and I've feel like I've
• 24:24
  watched a fair share and this one is very good.
• 24:30
  I think that I was more annoyed that it was such a slow burn
• 24:35
  because, and I don't mind slow burns, like we've covered
• 24:38
  something in the rain, which is pretty slow and some other shows
• 24:42
  as well, that would fall into that category of slow burn
• 24:45
  romances. This one's real slow and I think
• 24:49
  it was more annoying that the the pace at which people were
• 24:53
  speaking to each other was so slow.
• 24:57
  And there were a lot of pregnant pauses, which are rife in case
• 25:02
  Rama land, where people just say something and then nobody
• 25:05
  responds back for a long minute and then they continue the
• 25:09
  conversation. And so I had to put this one on
• 25:12
  1.25 speed and that seemed to be a really good sweet spot for how
• 25:18
  I wanted this paste. Literally that one change of
• 25:23
  making it 1.25 speed made all the difference.
• 25:27
  I actually thought on a couple instances as I was watching the
• 25:30
  last few episodes, because I didn't do this for the whole
• 25:32
  show, I just did it for like the last few episodes.
• 25:35
  I thought that the setting had like somehow come undone and it
• 25:39
  was still. It was just playing on regular
• 25:42
  speed because it was so believable.
• 25:46
  I was like they must be talking really fucking slow for me to
• 25:50
  think that this is actually the regular speed and the thing
• 25:54
  messed up like the plugin messed up.
• 25:57
  So. Yeah, it's so funny because I
• 26:00
  didn't realize till I read what you'd written that the director
• 26:04
  of this had directed Interest of love.
• 26:07
  Interest of love. Yes.
• 26:09
  Did you watch that from earlier this year?
• 26:11
  Right. So if you find Brahms pregnant,
• 26:15
  Paul slow, you would. You will really struggle with
• 26:19
  it. Just.
• 26:20
  I just thought it was so in I was like, ah, do you know when
• 26:23
  you find out directors directed two things and you're like,
• 26:26
  yeah, that makes sense, That totally makes sense.
• 26:28
  Yeah. But I think, yeah, that, I mean,
• 26:32
  I think it's a real Marmite drama.
• 26:34
  I think people who are watching it with me kind of on socials at
• 26:37
  the time were just like, Oh my God, this is how I hate this.
• 26:40
  And then there were other people like, Oh my God, this is
• 26:42
  brilliant. So.
• 26:44
  Yeah, but that was pretty much my only complaint was this sort
• 26:48
  of like her taking their sweet time saying things and I don't.
• 26:55
  I love the content of what they're saying, and I love the
• 26:59
  way that it's scripted. That's all great.
• 27:01
  I love that, and I generally love a slow burn.
• 27:04
  Apparently the show in my mind should have been on 1.25 speed.
• 27:08
  Like that's the should. Be the regular speed.
• 27:10
  Yeah, um, So I'm gonna, I'm gonna defend that a little bit,
• 27:14
  right? Because I for me, I felt like,
• 27:18
  so I'm not, I don't classify myself as a full introvert and
• 27:24
  something a podcast, so I can't be that introverted.
• 27:26
  But I think there's an element, there's an element of like
• 27:30
  introverts that have to work out what they're saying in their
• 27:34
  head. Like, I feel like if you're an
• 27:36
  introvert that struggles to, and this is not obviously not me or
• 27:40
  you struggles to kind of put our thoughts into words and actually
• 27:45
  marvel at the way that some people just go, right.
• 27:47
  Well, this is what I think. And Pam, you know, it's like I'm
• 27:50
  gonna lay out here with this point and you know, and I have
• 27:53
  people in my life that that say this to me.
• 27:55
  Like I just can't. Talk like the way you do.
• 27:58
  Like, I just don't. My brain doesn't work that fast.
• 28:01
  My mouth doesn't work that fast, and I can't.
• 28:03
  Like, I have to work out what I'm saying in my head before I
• 28:05
  can say it out loud. And I feel like if you're that
• 28:08
  kind of person, this drama will speak to you because there's
• 28:11
  these two people and they're grappling with, like, big
• 28:13
  emotions, right? There's a lot of stuff
• 28:15
  happening. So I think it was for me very
• 28:18
  real that it took them so long to respond to each other and to,
• 28:23
  as you say, with pregnant pauses and things because.
• 28:26
  They're just people that are kind of still working things out
• 28:30
  and also not great at expressing themselves and also struggling
• 28:34
  to kind of put it into words. And I think that they they.
• 28:37
  And that's partly why I loved it so much, because it was truly 2
• 28:41
  introverts. Falling for each other.
• 28:43
  It wasn't like I'm just going to kind of sketch introverted
• 28:47
  people, but I'm still going to make them drama people and they
• 28:50
  kind of like be, you know, like Dawson's Creek level of like,
• 28:53
  you know, like unlike that I could speak about my feelings in
• 28:56
  a really like intelligent way even though I'm still a teenager
• 28:59
  type thing. So it was really like believable
• 29:02
  for me I think. And it added for me added to
• 29:04
  that kind of authenticity of like these two are truly like,
• 29:07
  you know, these characters, these introverted characters,
• 29:10
  You make a fine point and I agree with you.
• 29:12
  And the just the other day I was on the phone with my mom and I
• 29:15
  told her that I was really tired because I was interacting with
• 29:21
  more people. I I just switched jobs recently
• 29:24
  and I'm spending my days in the office now and I've been working
• 29:27
  from home for the past few years.
• 29:28
  And I told her at the end of the day, I'm so tired because I'm
• 29:33
  talking to people and interacting with people and I
• 29:35
  have to be on all day long. And that's so different than how
• 29:40
  I was spending my time during the pandemic and working from
• 29:43
  home even even more recently. And I told her I'm an introvert
• 29:48
  and this is taking a lot out of me.
• 29:50
  Yeah, yeah. And she was like, you're not an
• 29:52
  introvert. And she like, fought me on it.
• 29:55
  And I was like, I swear to God, if I am in a social situation, I
• 29:59
  it takes a lot of effort for me. And when I leave, I'm drained.
• 30:04
  Yeah, and I love to curl up and I'm a such a homebody.
• 30:09
  I want to be home and you know, that sort of thing.
• 30:14
  And maybe I'm way more of an introverted, I'm sorry
• 30:18
  extroverted introvert now than I was when I was in my younger
• 30:22
  years. Because in my younger years I
• 30:23
  feel like I would have full on conversations in my head and I
• 30:27
  was a much. I feel like over the years I
• 30:31
  come to understand that there's people that like to just listen,
• 30:36
  you know, even before even responding, let alone the
• 30:42
  response that comes after. I just mean, like people like to
• 30:45
  wait and listen, and they're not quick to insert their own
• 30:49
  thoughts or quick to cut people off or something like that.
• 30:53
  And that is something that a lot of people don't don't
• 30:59
  understand. Like it doesn't compute that.
• 31:01
  Like, I should just stop talking, you know?
• 31:07
  And absolutely, I agree with your take that it was very
• 31:10
  authentic to have these two people be introverts and true
• 31:15
  introverts and not like, they call them introverts, but
• 31:19
  they're not really introverts. But I think as an audience
• 31:27
  member, I was really pressed about the way that they were
• 31:31
  talking. I'm so glacial pace in some
• 31:36
  conversations and I and then it's all important to me.
• 31:41
  I was like, this isn't even like a nothing conversation that
• 31:45
  these people are having. Every conversation to me was
• 31:48
  important. Every interaction meant
• 31:50
  something. And so I was like, I can't skip
• 31:53
  this. So then I was like, you know, I
• 31:56
  was like, we have to, let's go like let's move a little.
• 31:59
  So that's where the 1.25 came from.
• 32:01
  It is not a blight on the show. It might be just a blight on me.
• 32:05
  So I I think you mentioned earlier how it was very not
• 32:12
  slow, but they were restrained basically.
• 32:18
  And I love the themes of the show and how it's studied music
• 32:23
  and dreams and the really inside baseball take on the classic
• 32:30
  classical music. Industry, yeah.
• 32:33
  Yeah. Yeah, characters and
• 32:34
  relationships. And there were some other
• 32:38
  another show that it reminded me of, which was Spring Waltz.
• 32:43
  I don't know if you've watched that show.
• 32:45
  It's with Han he or two. I want to say it's 2007.
• 32:51
  Eight around. There it was.
• 32:53
  It was late 2000s and she falls in love with a very talented
• 33:01
  concert pianist. And even though that's a
• 33:06
  melodrama, I don't know if I would classify do you like
• 33:09
  Brahms as a melodrama? Maybe some episodes, but not the
• 33:14
  whole thing. And that show felt had the
• 33:19
  vibes, like the relationship seemed to have the same sort of
• 33:22
  vibes where, you know, you had like very thinking, feeling
• 33:29
  people who just loved each other and appreciated music.
• 33:34
  And there was drama with the music and you know, all these
• 33:38
  things wrapped in a neat bow of a Music K drama.
• 33:42
  So I don't know if you've have you watched a lot of music K
• 33:47
  dramas? Like, not really, I don't think.
• 33:50
  Yeah. Have there been.
• 33:53
  I definitely have watched Dream High, which you just mentioned.
• 33:55
  Well, yeah. And maybe we'll give that a
• 34:00
  path. No, I can't really think of any
• 34:03
  of this that that I have watched, actually.
• 34:07
  But yeah, there's quite a few, but I think they focus on bands
• 34:11
  a lot of the time, right? The kpop industry, yeah.
• 34:15
  But the classical music you've got like spring waltz we have 5
• 34:20
  fingers, which is a like 30 episode K drama that I didn't
• 34:25
  even finish watching. I dropped it because I was like
• 34:27
  this is too long, but it's stars D Tang Wook.
• 34:34
  Oh, OK, yeah, yeah. And this other guy, He was just
• 34:39
  in GD son. What's that actor's name?
• 34:44
  No, I don't know. Anyway, those two are in like a
• 34:47
  piano rivalry, right? It's totally.
• 34:50
  Okay. Yeah, and there's this.
• 34:54
  Special piano in their house that they don't know how it
• 34:58
  makes such a beautiful sound and.
• 35:02
  There's a piano CEO company in the mix like it's I was it was
• 35:06
  like a lot of piano, which what, 5 fingers I guess.
• 35:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:10
  And then Beethoven virus. Oh, oh, go ahead.
• 35:14
  No, you said G. Chal and I just completely have
• 35:17
  blanked out because it's a drummer.
• 35:18
  I dropped the sound of magic. Ah, sound of magic.
• 35:24
  So I have to go into why? You dropped it.
• 35:25
  Yeah, I have seen. Another So yeah, that's the only
• 35:28
  other music drama that I've seen.
• 35:30
  So yeah. OK, we got.
• 35:32
  Beethoven virus. We got heartstrings, which this
• 35:36
  also reminded me of heartstrings because in heartstrings, they're
• 35:40
  in school, in music school. And it's.
• 35:43
  One of the members of CN Blue with Oh my God, the girl from
• 35:49
  Airs, Pakshinay. Is and she plays the kayakum,
• 35:55
  which is almost like a it looks like a Korean version of a
• 35:59
  zither. And she plays so she's like in
• 36:03
  the traditional instruments, like section of the music, not
• 36:09
  club of the music school. And then he is playing guitar
• 36:14
  and so he's in like the modern instrument part of the school.
• 36:17
  And so there's like a rivalry between the traditional Korean
• 36:22
  instrument people and then the modern guitar and bass and all
• 36:27
  this stuff. And it's really cute.
• 36:29
  So I enjoyed Heartstrings back in the day.
• 36:32
  A lot more music dramas than that, but those ones sort of
• 36:35
  relate specifically to me, to this drama, and then I also.
• 36:40
  Mentioned the comp summer strike already.
• 36:43
  I'm not sure I I have an idea in my head, but have have you ever
• 36:48
  played or do you play an instrument?
• 36:50
  I used to play? The piano.
• 36:53
  Oh yeah I like I mean not to very high up maybe this is what
• 36:57
  I found interesting right. So I mean this is, this is not a
• 37:01
  spoiler obviously. So puck and bins character from
• 37:03
  the start, we know that actually she has had to.
• 37:08
  Kind of overcome her, her family's disapproval that she is
• 37:12
  playing the violin, right and she's trying to try and make a
• 37:15
  career out of playing the violin.
• 37:17
  And I found it quite interesting for men, kind of an Asian
• 37:20
  background, that so many of us are encouraged to take piano
• 37:25
  lessons, classical music, instruments, as an
• 37:27
  extracurricular thing in order for us to have it on our CV so
• 37:32
  that we can then qualify and go through university.
• 37:34
  Like that's a whole like. That's a whole thing, whether
• 37:37
  you're an immigrant Chinese person or you're living in
• 37:40
  China, right? That is just a thing that your
• 37:42
  parents encourage you to do. And there's like generations and
• 37:45
  generations of people kind of playing in research.
• 37:49
  But unless. You're gonna?
• 37:50
  Be a concert pianist, right? No Asian parent wants you to
• 37:55
  actually then try to make a career out of it, right?
• 37:57
  They're just like, no, you're gonna.
• 37:59
  Play it. Competently to put it on your
• 38:02
  CV, but like God forbid you go and try and make a career out of
• 38:06
  it, right. Because we want you to go and
• 38:08
  like I don't know be a lawyer or a doctor or like you know an
• 38:11
  account or whatever. I we're not.
• 38:12
  We don't want you to choose something as difficult like her
• 38:15
  parents say it in the drama right?
• 38:16
  Like you know, like it doesn't pay and it's really kind of it's
• 38:21
  not seen as a high profile job and obviously she had a great
• 38:25
  degree before in business and. And I just found it like an
• 38:28
  interesting commentary on, like, Asian Society of how they view,
• 38:34
  how they push their children to do all this extracurricular
• 38:38
  music lessons but then say, well, no, but no.
• 38:42
  Creative, like creative arts is not not a career option like we
• 38:47
  want you to be, you know? Yeah.
• 38:49
  I thought it was an interesting take, actually.
• 38:52
  Yeah, I I'm Hispanic. If you don't know, I'm Hispanic
• 38:57
  and I I didn't. Grow up playing instruments.
• 39:02
  But I really wanted to learn how to play the piano, so I took
• 39:06
  started taking piano lessons late in life.
• 39:09
  I started taking them when I was already in high school, 9th
• 39:12
  grade, and I think I only took it for like a year or two and I
• 39:18
  went to miss Hannah Lisa's house, which.
• 39:22
  She lived in a predominantly Jewish community.
• 39:26
  She was, I think she was a Holocaust survivor from Namaste.
• 39:29
  And she would just do piano lessons out of her, out of her
• 39:33
  little like condo. And she was so sweet.
• 39:37
  And I remember I went to my first lesson with her and or
• 39:41
  like consultation, I guess because it wasn't a lesson yet.
• 39:43
  It was just like, you know, getting to know the the teacher
• 39:46
  and you know, what is the, what's the timeline here when
• 39:50
  you're available? And she looked at my hands and
• 39:54
  she goes, You have very small hands, but I know a lot of great
• 40:00
  pianists who have small hands. And she was so sweet, she was.
• 40:04
  Like, you can make it work. She basically was like, it's
• 40:08
  okay. And.
• 40:11
  I. Knew nothing.
• 40:12
  I didn't know how to read music or anything, so I was starting
• 40:14
  from Ground Zero. And it was like pulling teeth.
• 40:17
  It was very difficult. And then I had to find the time
• 40:20
  to practice It was this whole thing, like it was this whole
• 40:23
  thing to fit into my life. I quit taking lessons with Miss
• 40:26
  Hen and Lisa because I was failing algebra.
• 40:31
  My parents were like, it's either you.
• 40:33
  Practice or you passed your algebra class.
• 40:36
  It turns out that I'm actually really good at, or was really
• 40:39
  good at math because I went into.
• 40:42
  Some college courses and was taking like higher math and I
• 40:45
  had. I'm really proud of this fact.
• 40:47
  I had a math professor come and say you should get a math.
• 40:51
  Minor. All you need is like these two
• 40:52
  classes, these two three classes, and she mentioned the
• 40:55
  name of the class, names of the class, and I was like, that
• 40:57
  sounds terrifying. I'm not taking those classes and
• 40:59
  getting math minor. Come on, so get real.
• 41:03
  So it never happened. I have lost all of my math
• 41:07
  mathematics skills since. So it was just the teacher, the
• 41:12
  algebra teacher that I had during that tumultuous time that
• 41:15
  I was failing that class. I blame that teacher because I
• 41:18
  was good at math. Anyway, that's a tangent.
• 41:21
  But I I stopped taking Miss Hannah Lisa's classes and I had
• 41:25
  some really nice memories with her because she used to use a
• 41:29
  metronome on her on the piano to keep help me keep time.
• 41:33
  But then when she didn't use the metronome, she would count.
• 41:36
  And here's what I thought she would was about to keel over and
• 41:39
  die on me during the the lessons.
• 41:41
  Because here's what she would do.
• 41:44
  I can't believe I'm going to imitate.
• 41:46
  OK, here we go. She would go like this 1231.
• 41:51
  2312 Like I don't. Know if she just couldn't take a
• 41:58
  breath in between the counting, it would scare me half to death
• 42:03
  every time she would inhale. When she was saying the number
• 42:10
  and it was, it was a it. Was really frightening as a
• 42:13
  child's, as a high school person, I was, I would like look
• 42:16
  at her like, Oh my God. Anyway, that's Miss Hannah,
• 42:19
  Lisa. And then when I was in later in
• 42:22
  high school, we had to choose our electives.
• 42:25
  I chose three random electives. None of the electives that I
• 42:29
  chose were what was given to me. I got guitar one.
• 42:33
  With Mr. Eves in high school, this was a really highly coveted
• 42:39
  class position. I don't know how it was a God
• 42:42
  thing because I landed in that class and I loved it.
• 42:45
  I remember the first day, like 20 kids coming in at different
• 42:49
  points of the of the one class that I have, trying to get him
• 42:52
  to sign like the transfer so that they could enter his class
• 42:57
  and he's like, I'm maxed out. I can't.
• 43:00
  He was such a good teacher and I loved playing guitar.
• 43:04
  I played guitar for many many years after that and.
• 43:10
  I asked my mom today why she never signed me up or my sister
• 43:16
  up for a classical music instrument like violin, piano,
• 43:21
  something. Why she never signed us up for
• 43:23
  ballet or gymnastics or something.
• 43:26
  When? Those are things that kids sign
• 43:28
  up for when they're really little, like 5678, and she goes.
• 43:35
  Well, I took ballet when I was really little.
• 43:37
  My mom signed me up and I was like, yeah, and she goes, but
• 43:42
  she forced me to do it and I didn't have any interest in
• 43:46
  doing ballet. So I figured if you didn't have
• 43:50
  any interest in it, I'm not going to force you to do it.
• 43:54
  Like, just matter of Factly And I was like, OK, so I could have
• 43:59
  been a concert. Pianist and missing Lisa could
• 44:01
  have been famous for being my teacher.
• 44:04
  I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
• 44:05
  But that is my experience with playing instruments and I do not
• 44:11
  play any instruments anymore. Yeah, yeah.
• 44:16
  So this show. Felt very like her little
• 44:20
  journey going through playing violin and I was like.
• 44:23
  I I felt it deep in my bones, yeah.
• 44:26
  Well, I mean. I'm super.
• 44:27
  Impressed because they both learnt their instruments, right?
• 44:30
  So I think part and bin could play violin and then she kind of
• 44:34
  re picked it back up. Yeah.
• 44:36
  And then Kim and Jay like actually learnt to play the
• 44:39
  piano. Like, I'm just so impressed.
• 44:40
  He had like a month. He said he learned in a month.
• 44:44
  She learned in a month. How you can't learn.
• 44:47
  In a month but. Anyway, like, still, I'm
• 44:50
  impressed. Yeah, it's really impressive.
• 44:51
  That they played their own instruments in the show and that
• 44:53
  they looked pretty good. Really believable.
• 44:56
  I'm sure that. I mean, if I was someone on the
• 44:59
  production and I had a couple of actors doing their best, had
• 45:03
  minimal time to prepare to look like professional, a
• 45:08
  professional violinist or a professional concert pianist, I
• 45:12
  would dub them with a real person who can look at the
• 45:16
  footage and actually play something that might be.
• 45:20
  A little closer to the caliber that they need, yeah, but that's
• 45:25
  neither here nor there. I'm not taking away from the
• 45:27
  fact that they actually learned how to play piano and violin for
• 45:31
  this show. I I think that this drama is old
• 45:42
  school, and it's really hard to explain how it's old school
• 45:45
  other than like I already pointed to Spring waltz, which
• 45:47
  is an older K drama. But I think love rain also.
• 45:53
  Feels this way where you have two really timid and sensitive
• 45:59
  leading a leading couple and they're very introspective and
• 46:04
  feeling and I feel like maybe do you like Brahms has melodrama
• 46:10
  roots because K dramas of yesteryear in the melodrama
• 46:16
  genre are. Like this?
• 46:19
  They feel like this couple where it's like everything is a big
• 46:22
  deal and all of these conversations are important and
• 46:28
  you don't have all of this like fluff, so to speak, like empty
• 46:33
  episodes because everything is interconnected.
• 46:37
  But anyway, that's the last thing they'll say about that.
• 46:41
  Was there anything that really surprised you about the way that
• 46:46
  they portrayed music and the way that they portrayed?
• 46:49
  The music school and Chamber Orchestra and stuff.
• 46:55
  No, I. Found it.
• 46:55
  Well, like I said, I don't know much about the classical music
• 46:58
  world. So I found it like, really
• 47:00
  interesting. But I actually really enjoyed
• 47:02
  that. They made it so relatable
• 47:04
  because it's still like a microcosm of, like, Korean
• 47:08
  society within the music world, right?
• 47:10
  So you know, Kim and Jay is like the superstar of the world.
• 47:17
  But he's very lonely at the top, you know, like in that kind of
• 47:20
  like I've just wrapped King the land, right.
• 47:22
  So we're chebo drama and you know, like all like, you know,
• 47:27
  he's going through his emotions, but he's alone because he's at
• 47:29
  the top of the tree and then she is like, you know, right at the
• 47:34
  bottom of the tree, right. So she is not only, you know,
• 47:37
  still the student violinist, but she's also not a very talented
• 47:40
  one and doesn't, you know, isn't isn't getting the spots that she
• 47:43
  deserves and things. And then you've got some really
• 47:48
  awful professors, people that are really super selfish.
• 47:52
  So it felt really like they'd put in like all our very
• 47:56
  familiar OK drama tropes but within this classical music
• 47:58
  world, which I I, you know, I really enjoyed.
• 48:02
  And then I think there's another observation I had, but I think
• 48:05
  it might be a bit spoilery. So we could leave that till till
• 48:09
  the till the end. But I I like that they kind of
• 48:11
  flipped the trope a little bit with the classical music, so.
• 48:14
  Yeah, OK. Yeah, OK.
• 48:17
  So I think we're at that point. I think 1 two things.
• 48:21
  OST, because you mentioned that you were listening to it.
• 48:24
  Yeah, I love the. Ost loved it.
• 48:27
  OK, you didn't like it. No, I was fine.
• 48:30
  I. Just I think.
• 48:32
  I only. Comment on Osts when I get an
• 48:35
  earworm and I start and I like add it to all my playlists and I
• 48:39
  find it's really repeatable. Yeah, but otherwise I'm like,
• 48:44
  oh, that's. That was pleasant.
• 48:45
  That was nice. Nothing terrible.
• 48:48
  About it, it was. Wonderful in the moment,
• 48:50
  Absolutely. But if you played it to me in a
• 48:53
  mix with other K drama songs, would I be able to be like?
• 48:57
  That's Do you like Brahms? Yeah, yeah.
• 49:00
  I see what you mean. Yeah.
• 49:02
  No. There's one gummy track that I
• 49:03
  really liked that I thought was really good.
• 49:05
  So I mean, it's like still been on.
• 49:08
  So this drama, I watched it a while ago now, and the OSD
• 49:11
  tracks are still on my kind of like I have a rolling playlist
• 49:15
  and then I get sick of them and then I have to shove them off
• 49:19
  because I can't hear them again. Whereas the Brahms ones are
• 49:22
  still on there. Like, I'm still listening to
• 49:24
  them. Ohh, that's so.
• 49:26
  Nice. Sorry, it's a sign.
• 49:28
  Of longevity, It's good. Yeah, it is a good.
• 49:32
  All right, the second thing is what would you rate the show out
• 49:35
  of five Sojo bottles? 5 being amazing, 0 being
• 49:39
  terrible? So I.
• 49:41
  Kind of. Like at the time I gave this A9.
• 49:45
  Actually, so I'd score out of 10, so I guess the equipment
• 49:49
  would be 4. But like when I was revisiting a
• 49:51
  lot of this, I mean, maybe I've mellowed in my like, K drama
• 49:54
  critique, but I was thinking that I can't.
• 49:57
  I'd actually didn't, you know, there wasn't a lot that I
• 49:59
  disliked about it. So but yeah, so probably 4-4,
• 50:02
  but but OK, yeah, but not because there's like major stuff
• 50:06
  that I thought this is not so great or they didn't handle this
• 50:09
  well. So I'm knocking a point off
• 50:11
  just, you know, yeah. So less that the the there's
• 50:14
  something wrong with it. Just that it's like it's not
• 50:17
  knocking out the park. Amazing, yeah.
• 50:20
  OK, so I think. I'll rate it either 3.5 or 4.
• 50:24
  I'm leaning towards 4. There's some things in the later
• 50:26
  episodes that we'll we'll talk about in the spoiler section why
• 50:31
  that really bothered me, but other than that I think it's
• 50:35
  really pleasant. It's a really easy watch for the
• 50:38
  most part, and you should definitely give it a try if you
• 50:41
  haven't already. I think do you like Brahms?
• 50:49
  So I said. Is probably one of the more
• 50:45
  underrated shows for sure, yeah. And I.
• 50:49
  At the top, I'm a romance fan, and the romance delivers for me
• 50:53
  on this, you know, like, my problems with this drama are not
• 50:56
  the romance to say for me. And I think there were so many
• 51:00
  moments that just made me really feel things, and I think the
• 51:04
  actors did just such a good job of portraying their emotions.
• 51:09
  And that they're like eyes was just often brimming with
• 51:13
  emotions so they could have whole scenes, as she said, full
• 51:16
  of pregnant pauses. That really made me feel stuff
• 51:20
  because they were doing so much of their acting through emoting
• 51:24
  and through their body language and through the way their eyes
• 51:27
  moved or the way they looked and then looked down.
• 51:30
  And I just thought it was, yeah, it was really great.
• 51:34
  I agree. All right, so with that being
• 51:37
  said, we're going to get into the spoiler section.
• 51:40
  So if you don't care about spoilers, we're going to, we're
• 51:44
  going to keep going and you're going to come with us on this
• 51:46
  journey. We'll be back right after this.
• 51:56
  You want to come in? All right.
• 51:57
  We're on the other side of. Spoilers and I think we want to
• 52:01
  start where you left off. You said you had something that
• 52:05
  you want to say that was a little spoilery, and so we're
• 52:06
  gonna start there, right? I didn't mean to.
• 52:09
  Cliffhanger it, but like it's good.
• 52:12
  So what I really appreciated because we were talking about
• 52:14
  classical music and I've, you know, we talked about how before
• 52:17
  like a lot of people have this on their CV and they try.
• 52:19
  But I think so many Asian dramas, and I think specifically
• 52:23
  Korean ones, have this thing of showing people, if you just work
• 52:25
  really hard, you study really hard, you put your hours in, you
• 52:29
  will become successful and this drama.
• 52:32
  Specifically says no, actually, that might not work for you.
• 52:36
  You could play the violin and be so diligent and be practicing
• 52:41
  all the time and have calluses on all of your fingers, but it
• 52:46
  just might not be there for you because that elusive thing
• 52:49
  called talent, or the thing that elevates a normal pianist or a
• 52:53
  normal violence to to be some concert grade one is like.
• 52:58
  A specific magical thing that you can't try 10,000 hours and
• 53:02
  achieve. And I really loved that they
• 53:05
  made that part of this drummer. Like, I loved that her arc was
• 53:09
  that she put the violin away. Like this thing that was like
• 53:13
  she had dropped everything. Stopped her business career,
• 53:16
  restarted school, endured, like her classmates kind of basically
• 53:20
  looking down on her and her being an outcast.
• 53:23
  And because she was older than them and all the rest of it, and
• 53:26
  it was still not. Good enough.
• 53:28
  Not enough. And that's.
• 53:30
  Just so. Antiphical to K drummers, So I
• 53:33
  really love that. I love that.
• 53:34
  That was her arc, and I think so too.
• 53:38
  I think it's almost on par with being as compelling.
• 53:44
  As their romance, yeah, is her journey.
• 53:48
  And her heartbreak with. The.
• 53:54
  Deep love that she has. For playing the violin and and
• 53:57
  the violin in general. And that's something that the
• 54:00
  show also juxtaposes against other students and against JYP,
• 54:07
  her her. Her lover is that other students
• 54:11
  who have that quality, that talent, that drive, hate their
• 54:16
  instrument. And JYP multiple occasions was
• 54:19
  like I don't enjoy playing the piano.
• 54:24
  And the. People that want it the most
• 54:28
  don't have what it takes. And that is a brutal reality.
• 54:34
  And I remember, like, going through the whole piano and
• 54:39
  starting late and Miss Handelisa, like being like, oh,
• 54:42
  you're it's late. You know, because she had kids
• 54:45
  that were coming in there, like really little and play very
• 54:49
  well. I have this stupid story that I
• 54:51
  have to tell. I'd be remiss if I didn't tell
• 54:53
  it. And so the piano that I had at
• 54:55
  home that I would practice on was like an electric piano, but
• 54:59
  it had a bunch of settings and you could play some songs like
• 55:03
  the piano would like light up and.
• 55:06
  It would tell you like. What's a press?
• 55:08
  But the piano itself would play the song on its speakers, right?
• 55:11
  Whatever piano song and my sister.
• 55:14
  Had a friend over my sister's 3 1/2 years younger than I am, and
• 55:17
  so her friend presumably was also young, right?
• 55:21
  Maybe 3-4 years younger than I am.
• 55:24
  She had a friend come over and all of a sudden I hear the piano
• 55:27
  going like they had pressed some buttons and the piano was
• 55:30
  playing some piano song and I walk over and I was like turn
• 55:35
  off. The piano.
• 55:36
  I walk over. Her little friend is playing the
• 55:39
  piano, and it was so good. I thought the piano was playing
• 55:43
  it itself. Yeah, like I thought it was a.
• 55:46
  Track that. Came with the the keyboard.
• 55:49
  And I was shocked. She had the way her little
• 55:51
  fingers were flying over the keys.
• 55:53
  I was stunned. Yeah, stunned.
• 55:56
  And. I had not for anything, but the
• 56:00
  little friend was Asian, but I was.
• 56:03
  Like, I'm never gonna get to that level.
• 56:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:11
  A lot. And I liked the.
• 56:11
  I did not love it the way that this character loves the violin.
• 56:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:18
  And I think it's also because the drama starts with showing us
• 56:22
  that she made this momentous decision.
• 56:24
  Stop it, you know, just go and take it.
• 56:26
  So you you assume by the end of the drama she's gonna somehow
• 56:30
  Yeah, she's gonna, she's gonna, she's gonna rocky herself, you
• 56:34
  know out of and be all like well trained and like, you know, and
• 56:38
  is scary. It was scary how real it was.
• 56:42
  It was also scary how she was like a second class citizen in
• 56:45
  the school, so that. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:47
  Because of her. Lack of talent, and I thought
• 56:53
  the drama really started on a carefully.
• 56:58
  Like, how do I put this? It was humiliation.
• 57:02
  The drama started with humiliation because it had that
• 57:05
  whole intro sequence of her getting chewed.
• 57:09
  Out and humiliated by the conductor who had just dismissed
• 57:12
  her and the other seat next to her.
• 57:15
  Because he thought the violin section was too loud and he was
• 57:17
  like, OK, you're not playing today.
• 57:19
  She had already like, she was like, but I practiced so hard,
• 57:25
  yeah. And she started to like.
• 57:26
  State her case and the conductor was not having it.
• 57:30
  He was extremely rude and even when she.
• 57:34
  Said he's like, what is your name?
• 57:36
  And she starts saying her name, Tesuna.
• 57:38
  And that means sorry in Korean if you don't know how to spell
• 57:43
  it, because it's not spelled the same way as sorry.
• 57:45
  Evidently. And I was like, Oh my God.
• 57:48
  So it was like this little like who's on 1st gag that was
• 57:50
  happening because he's like, I I know you're sorry.
• 57:53
  Stop saying you're sorry. What is your name?
• 57:55
  I'm asking you your name. It was like, Oh my God, it was
• 57:57
  painful. Yeah.
• 57:59
  So painful. So then from there they start to
• 58:02
  craft this romance. And you, you're taken for a ride
• 58:06
  because her journey as a violinist as well is extremely
• 58:10
  important to the show and it gives it's a huge source of
• 58:14
  heartbreak for for you as the audience member and certainly
• 58:17
  for the characters. Yeah, and I thought it was
• 58:20
  brave. I.
• 58:21
  Thought it was brave, the drama ended with her putting her
• 58:24
  violin away and just going and saying goodbye.
• 58:27
  To it she. Literally like has there's a
• 58:29
  little like goodbye ceremony to her violin.
• 58:31
  And I was like, oh. I almost cried.
• 58:35
  When she because this is jumping to the end.
• 58:37
  But when she sells her violin, I have a story like that.
• 58:41
  I had a guitar that was collecting dust for years and
• 58:45
  years. It made the trip up with me
• 58:48
  after I moved out of my parents house and it was just in my
• 58:49
  closet and I never played it. I never practiced on it.
• 58:52
  I was like done with it by that point and I went to sell it and
• 58:57
  I listed it and you know, I was it was a public place.
• 59:00
  I was meeting up with these people and I had these thoughts.
• 59:02
  I was like. This guitar meant a lot to me
• 59:05
  and I remember buying it with my dad and like playing it in the
• 59:09
  store and all of the times that I practiced on it and played on
• 59:13
  it and I was getting really emotional.
• 59:14
  But then I was like, it's not like it's not living.
• 59:17
  It doesn't have a good home. I'm not playing.
• 59:19
  I had all of these thoughts as I was telling the star and the
• 59:22
  family that came to buy the guitar, they they looked pretty
• 59:28
  worse for wear. To put it, to put it mildly.
• 59:31
  And the dad picked it up and started playing the guitar and
• 59:34
  he played so well, he just played like a little lick.
• 59:36
  And I was like, this guy's gonna use it.
• 59:38
  This family's gonna enjoy the instrument.
• 59:41
  And it was, I was like, here, I would have given it at that
• 59:45
  point. I would have just given it to
• 59:46
  them for free because I was like if it goes to a good home then
• 59:49
  great, it gets played with. Yeah, it's like Toy Story 3.
• 59:53
  It is. It's.
• 59:55
  Like Toy Story 3, but yeah, when she starts crying.
• 59:59
  Yeah. Saying goodbye to the
• 1:00:01
  instrument. And that she's gonna sell it.
• 1:00:03
  I was like, Oh my God, yeah. I feel.
• 1:00:07
  This I feel, yeah, she's. So good at crying as well.
• 1:00:10
  She really kind of makes you feel.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah, she's so good. It's terrible.
• 1:00:17
  They say the name of the show in the show because she asked him
• 1:00:20
  at the airport in episode one. Do you like Brahms?
• 1:00:24
  I love when they do. That in shows and in movies.
• 1:00:28
  OK, it's like a low hanging fruit, but I love it and.
• 1:00:32
  He says no. He says no, I don't like Brahms
• 1:00:36
  because of this whole like supposed.
• 1:00:41
  Love triangle. That he had with Claire and
• 1:00:44
  Schumann to other composers of the time, and that mirrored
• 1:00:49
  JYP's own. Tumultuous relationship with his
• 1:00:53
  best friend's girl and the best friend he.
• 1:00:57
  Also had like 1/3. Wheeling situation.
• 1:01:16
  That you had like. And I like that the two they
• 1:01:04
  learned to like get through their complexes and him not
• 1:01:08
  liking Brahms. By the end, he's like I only I
• 1:01:11
  played your your three. Talked to me about in episode
• 1:01:18
  one and developed this pro music program that got you into this
• 1:01:22
  internship that was. Really powerful.
• 1:01:25
  To me that he ends up playing Brahms and you know, he chooses
• 1:01:29
  these songs, yeah. That mean a lot.
• 1:01:32
  And she understands because she's part of that world.
• 1:01:36
  So it was it. Was really nice.
• 1:01:39
  I'm going to switch gears for a second before we get too sappy.
• 1:01:43
  I really hated her best friend. Yes.
• 1:01:48
  OK. OK.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, I. Thought I was like being really
• 1:01:51
  catty about it. But no, no, I really disliked
• 1:01:55
  her. I found her a bit.
• 1:01:57
  I just I first of all like I just didn't feel like they were
• 1:02:01
  friends. Like they didn't feel like an
• 1:02:04
  authentic friendship. I felt like therefore she was a
• 1:02:08
  bit because also like so let me layout.
• 1:02:11
  I am not a big fan of love triangles, so to have.
• 1:02:16
  Basically 2 two of them in one drama.
• 1:02:19
  Yes. Was just like I'm a bit over
• 1:02:21
  them but I mean they I think they did the the kind of the
• 1:02:24
  Brahms and Clara Schumann thing like mirroring one was OK I I
• 1:02:30
  could do that but the second one fell forced and and then because
• 1:02:34
  obviously she is part of the best friend's part of this I
• 1:02:36
  felt like she was just kind of she just felt a bit yeah bit
• 1:02:40
  fake and it just didn't feel very authentic and then they
• 1:02:43
  jammed in this like second love triangle.
• 1:02:46
  I just. Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah, yeah, I. Didn't like it at all.
• 1:02:49
  It was a little bit icky. The best friend I think in
• 1:02:52
  episode 3. It's her birthday, right?
• 1:02:55
  It's Jason Wow's birthday and the friend comes by and says,
• 1:02:59
  I'm not going to be able to make it to your party leader.
• 1:03:01
  Here's your gift. And she start the best.
• 1:03:05
  Friend only comes to drop off the gift and cry and ball over
• 1:03:10
  the guy. Who now wants nothing to do with
• 1:03:14
  her? Her ex.
• 1:03:14
  Which is the crush that Chesungla has on him, yeah.
• 1:03:19
  And it makes that it. Makes Chesunglass feel really
• 1:03:23
  small and foolish. And why the?
• 1:03:27
  Hell would the friend? Do that on the her birthday,
• 1:03:30
  Yeah. It was like this.
• 1:03:34
  Isn't about you. Annoying.
• 1:03:35
  It's my birthday. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:38
  Yeah, it's. You know very.
• 1:03:41
  Annoying and then? Later on when she basically has
• 1:03:43
  a go at her for having feelings for him and it's just kind of
• 1:03:48
  like she doesn't get to choose and she didn't act on them
• 1:03:53
  because you know, out of respect you and you just chew her out
• 1:03:57
  for it. It's just kind of like.
• 1:04:00
  Oh, I was a bit. Like I just wanted to Chuck
• 1:04:02
  things at her. And then she said.
• 1:04:05
  Oh, it's not because you liked him.
• 1:04:07
  It's because you lied to me. That's what she was like.
• 1:04:09
  Oh, I'm upset at you because you lied to me for all these years
• 1:04:12
  and I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
• 1:04:14
  Like. Who would say, hey, I have a
• 1:04:17
  pretty strong crush on your boyfriend now?
• 1:04:20
  Your ex and hang the girl code or the bro code like this was
• 1:04:26
  totally uncalled for and she had she had no leg to stand on.
• 1:04:30
  It felt like the BFF. Thought she was the main
• 1:04:34
  character. That's a good take, yeah.
• 1:04:39
  Yeah, I yeah. I kind of felt like they wrote
• 1:04:41
  her in that, that, like, she just kept thinking they were
• 1:04:44
  meant to be, right? Yeah, like her.
• 1:04:46
  Her and this guy were meant to be.
• 1:04:48
  And he was just so not into her. It wasn't even the love triangle
• 1:04:51
  in some ways, because he was really not into her.
• 1:04:58
  I agree. I agree completely.
• 1:05:01
  And then they tried to bring her back later.
• 1:05:03
  I thought this was good, if only the relationship was believable,
• 1:05:08
  that then of them being friends, because they bring her back
• 1:05:11
  later when she's really chase someone was really down.
• 1:05:14
  And the violin repair shop guy who was that part of the other
• 1:05:19
  bit of that triangle calls the BFF and he's like basically I
• 1:05:25
  must, we don't see that conversation, but I'm glad that
• 1:05:27
  he did that, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  But yeah, that's part of the parts of the show.
• 1:05:32
  I'm like I could actually done without this bit.
• 1:05:37
  In episode. Three, we get this sort of like
• 1:05:39
  conversation at the dinner table.
• 1:05:54
  Like there's even. Can music comfort people?
• 1:05:44
  Is music a comfort? And I thought this was a little
• 1:05:49
  bit of a stupid conversation because I'm like, of course
• 1:05:51
  music can comfort. Music therapy.
• 1:05:55
  Now, when I was a kid, there was no music therapy, OK?
• 1:05:59
  But did you have thoughts about this romantic notion about music
• 1:06:04
  and the way that some of these players, like these
• 1:06:06
  instrumentalists, were like? I don't know if music can
• 1:06:10
  comfort whatever. They were a little bit
• 1:06:12
  pessimistic about it. Well, I found a macro.
• 1:06:16
  Like I think it mirrored, like I think it was a really good for
• 1:06:19
  Kim and Jay's character. So Joe repeats like arc in the
• 1:06:24
  you know. Like, he's the flip of Sona,
• 1:06:27
  right? He is so perdiciously talented.
• 1:06:30
  But piano, piano playing for him brings him no joy.
• 1:06:33
  He has no joy. It is just a way to make money.
• 1:06:37
  It's like a thing that's pressure.
• 1:06:38
  It's the thing that means that he has to take sleeping tablets
• 1:06:41
  to sleep and it's not something he gets any kind of.
• 1:06:45
  Joy out of, let alone comfort from anymore, right?
• 1:06:49
  And I think there is also like a commentary about which I think I
• 1:06:52
  feel as well, of just what happens when you turn your
• 1:06:56
  passion and your hobby into a job and it becomes like the
• 1:07:00
  thing that you just that your livelihood depends on it Does it
• 1:07:04
  just erode that passion for? So I mean, like, mine's just
• 1:07:07
  very small thing. But like, I love knitting and
• 1:07:08
  crocheting. And part of the thing when
• 1:07:10
  you're knitting and crochets, people meet you and you go, wow,
• 1:07:13
  wow, you've made this. Like, you should totally sell
• 1:07:15
  this, right? But like, nobody wants to pay
• 1:07:19
  actual money for things that have been like, made handmade.
• 1:07:23
  And the hours that go into it, like your average adult jumper
• 1:07:26
  would take 80 hours. So if I charge myself a minimum
• 1:07:29
  pay, like no one's paying me like 800 pounds or like 1000
• 1:07:33
  U.S. dollars for a hand knit jumper, right?
• 1:07:35
  That's just not not happening. And.
• 1:07:37
  And so. Like, but people always go, oh,
• 1:07:40
  you should do this as a job and so A it's economically not
• 1:07:42
  viable, but B it's also like, but then I wouldn't be doing it
• 1:07:46
  for myself, right? It would no longer be my hobby,
• 1:07:50
  my passion, my joy, my comfort. It would be something that.
• 1:07:54
  You know, I have to do like, whatever my customer wants me to
• 1:07:57
  do, even if it's hideous and in the wrong color or whatever, you
• 1:08:01
  know, thing that might erode my joy.
• 1:08:03
  And it becomes something that's not, you know, it becomes a
• 1:08:06
  chore. Because all jobs are a chore,
• 1:08:08
  right? Even the ones you love.
• 1:08:10
  So it's kinda. I thought it was.
• 1:08:12
  I thought it was a good conversation in that sense,
• 1:08:14
  because it was like asking this general, more general question
• 1:08:17
  of like what happens to you when actually you've picked up this
• 1:08:21
  instrument and it must have given you joy at some point.
• 1:08:23
  But now like several years down the line, does it no longer are
• 1:08:28
  you almost becoming to? Hate it because it's actually
• 1:08:30
  become something that you're tied to, you know?
• 1:08:32
  Absolutely. I think.
• 1:08:34
  You hit the nail on the head. I think that Jason basically
• 1:08:39
  comes in and says look. Songs mean different things to
• 1:08:42
  different people, and one person might derive joy from something
• 1:08:48
  that you hate. The out of the equation, the
• 1:08:57
  fact that it's a job for JYP, Yeah, And then he's actually
• 1:09:03
  suffering. And you know, she kind of
• 1:08:51
  defines it that way and it still.
• 1:09:03
  For the craft, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:08
  So. She does have a very romantic
• 1:09:10
  notion of living and playing music as her career versus JYP,
• 1:09:16
  who's in the trenches and really feels the strain of this life,
• 1:09:20
  how demanding it is, how he's constantly living out of a
• 1:09:24
  suitcase and you know, not to mention the financial strain
• 1:09:28
  that his family puts on him because his father's constantly.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, getting in debt, so. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  And then all the pressure. From his agent on staying on the
• 1:09:37
  top of his game and like, you know, being potentially
• 1:09:40
  overtaken by some other brand new star in the pianist world
• 1:09:43
  and yeah, just feel. For him.
• 1:09:46
  So much during this drama. Like I think he they do.
• 1:09:49
  A really good job. Of kind of showing how he's
• 1:09:52
  quietly, like how hard this is for him.
• 1:09:54
  Mmhmm. And then later on, this
• 1:09:58
  conversation comes into play. I think in episode 14 where she
• 1:10:02
  starts to this is when she's. Thinking of giving up the violin
• 1:10:07
  and she they have like the flashbacks of this conversation
• 1:10:09
  about music and bringing you comfort and she's like hugging
• 1:10:14
  the violin as well while she's thinking of all this and she
• 1:10:19
  goes to. The violin case and the bridge
• 1:10:22
  has fallen. The bridge has collapsed on the
• 1:10:25
  violin and you're like, Oh no, that's a little on the nose for
• 1:10:28
  me personally. Yeah, like that sort.
• 1:10:32
  Of thing. It happened multiple.
• 1:10:35
  Times in the later episodes. And I was like, this is a little
• 1:10:37
  cheap, like, you know we can, we were really smart earlier.
• 1:10:42
  You didn't need to have the violin bridge collapse to show
• 1:10:45
  that. Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  It's yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:10:50
  Well, actually. Because A.
• 1:10:51
  Lot of I think the beauty of this show was all the
• 1:10:54
  subtleties. You know, some some of the stuff
• 1:10:57
  like I didn't even notice until like afterwards I read like
• 1:11:00
  other people what they wrote about the drama and stuff and
• 1:11:02
  I'm like, oh, I didn't even notice that that was so.
• 1:11:05
  And like I think for example like the way that their
• 1:11:08
  relationship, like one of the things I loved about them was
• 1:11:10
  how organically they kind of grew together and the show
• 1:11:14
  showed. How they came to care for each
• 1:11:16
  other. And they did it in loads of tiny
• 1:11:18
  little ways and it was really, really softly done and really
• 1:11:22
  beautiful. Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  So the bridge was a bit like, oh, this is a bit K drummer is
• 1:11:26
  this is a bit. We get the symbolism.
• 1:11:28
  It's like, yeah, I get it, yeah. It's a little like, you know.
• 1:11:33
  Spoon fed in episode three he plays cuz she's very cut up and
• 1:11:39
  it's her birthday. She just had this.
• 1:11:41
  Thing happened with her best friend who's crying over the guy
• 1:11:44
  that she has a garage on. It's this whole complex thing
• 1:11:47
  and she's not feeling up for going to the party and I think
• 1:11:51
  he's in the practice room and he plays Moonlight Sonata for her.
• 1:11:57
  And then transitions. It into Happy Birthday.
• 1:12:01
  Yes. And I was like.
• 1:12:03
  I was holding onto the wall. I was like this is amazing this
• 1:12:07
  is. Genius right to do.
• 1:12:09
  This because she starts. She's like, I don't really feel
• 1:12:12
  like listening to music right now.
• 1:12:14
  I don't feel like listening to this song.
• 1:12:17
  And then? He transitions.
• 1:12:18
  Into Happy Birthday and I was like, Oh my God, I am sold if a
• 1:12:22
  boy did this for me, Major Kennergy, but also I would buy
• 1:12:26
  it. Yeah, so that.
• 1:12:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if it just reminded me
• 1:12:33
  the one thing I have to say when we have classical.
• 1:12:35
  Having said that, I'm not really into classical music.
• 1:12:37
  One thing when they do do classical music, I wish they
• 1:12:40
  would pick some other pieces and not pick like the like the
• 1:12:44
  literally the most overplayed, like Moonlight Sonata.
• 1:12:48
  Like in Twilight it was flipping Claire de Lune.
• 1:12:51
  I was like, just fucking loon. Claire's a fucking loon.
• 1:12:54
  I'm just like, yeah, let's just like, pick a different fact.
• 1:12:58
  Let's not all play the same thing.
• 1:13:01
  That's on like the classical 100 like CD, right?
• 1:13:04
  Let's just kinda. But yeah, I I was like, come on
• 1:13:08
  guys, that's I mean, I'd like to learn some other paintings.
• 1:13:11
  I'd like to learn, you know, find something obscure to love
• 1:13:15
  and then we could all get to know it a bit better.
• 1:13:17
  So yeah, that might learn my pet peeve for this.
• 1:13:20
  I agree completely. I agree.
• 1:13:22
  I think it was the transition that I was like, Oh my God, Oh
• 1:13:25
  my God. I hear it.
• 1:13:26
  It's happening. But then he gets up from the
• 1:13:29
  piano. Assess asks her, Would you like
• 1:13:31
  to be friends? Yeah, and then he says.
• 1:13:34
  No, we have. To be friends and then he goes
• 1:13:37
  and hugs her and says I'm doing this as a friend.
• 1:13:40
  Ohh, they were so. Cute.
• 1:13:43
  Because he's just like. Comforting her.
• 1:13:45
  And I like their date when they go on their first date and
• 1:13:49
  they're walking by the wall at the palace, yes, that, he said.
• 1:13:54
  Multiple times. He likes to take a stroll by the
• 1:13:56
  palace and she's like, really? I guess it's a little cliche,
• 1:13:59
  maybe, but I appreciate it. I appreciate these moments where
• 1:14:04
  you see them just vibing with each other and making small talk
• 1:14:11
  and having a little bit deeper conversations.
• 1:14:14
  And it's good. I I liked all that.
• 1:14:17
  Yeah, I really. What I really loved, and given
• 1:14:19
  obviously that they're introverts, was just how quickly
• 1:14:21
  they open themselves up and start telling each other things
• 1:14:24
  they haven't told their Bff's. About themselves and obviously
• 1:14:29
  crushes and whatever but just just like opening up it was
• 1:14:33
  almost like they kind of got like I mean you know I'm as I
• 1:14:35
  said a romance fan. So I do always love it when like
• 1:14:39
  two people meet and they kind of realize that they're this is.
• 1:14:44
  Someone that they. Can bear their soul to a little
• 1:14:47
  bit like that always gets me. And I think that they did that
• 1:14:50
  so well right from the start. Right right from the start.
• 1:14:53
  She's kind of quite honest about how she feels about this, that
• 1:14:55
  and the other and. Because they're so introverted
• 1:14:59
  in clothes. Like, this is like the first
• 1:15:00
  time we as an audience hear some of this as well, right?
• 1:15:02
  So I think that was really, I thought they did that so well.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah. What did you think about?
• 1:15:10
  Him and 2nd Femaley Dongyong together and their hang up,
• 1:15:17
  which was pretty consuming for a large part of the show.
• 1:15:23
  So this. So I did struggle.
• 1:15:25
  With this, like I said, I'm not a big love triangle fan.
• 1:15:31
  I found her character really difficult, so I think it sounds
• 1:15:34
  like we had a similar journey in the most of the drama.
• 1:15:37
  I was like, I just do not like this person.
• 1:15:40
  Apple. She's.
• 1:15:40
  A bitch like. My God and also why?
• 1:15:43
  Does she have? Two.
• 1:15:45
  Not just one, but two really amazing people fall for her.
• 1:15:48
  Like, what is? Why?
• 1:15:50
  Yeah, for what? For what, exactly?
• 1:15:52
  For what? She's not great.
• 1:15:54
  No, she looks great. No.
• 1:15:55
  And and neither of them are with her for the money which is
• 1:15:58
  something I could I could I'm like OK maybe for the money and
• 1:16:02
  the the influence because your family is like you know this
• 1:16:05
  amazing like musical like whatever you know family and for
• 1:16:09
  the for the prestige of it. But no that's not the reason
• 1:16:12
  you're with her. You like her?
• 1:16:13
  Because I don't know. I don't know why you're like
• 1:16:16
  yes. I don't know why.
• 1:16:18
  They liked her. She was not charismatic.
• 1:16:22
  She was very dry. She seemed to have no sense of
• 1:16:25
  humor. She was rude.
• 1:16:28
  Rude, yeah. Rude.
• 1:16:30
  She was mean. To Chesunga as well, Yeah, she
• 1:16:34
  seemed to have. One expression throughout the
• 1:16:37
  show and. Which was?
• 1:16:41
  It was distaste. Like she was annoyed or judging
• 1:16:45
  everyone around her at all points, and I particularly
• 1:16:51
  thought that she was cruel. In.
• 1:16:54
  Episodes 5 through 6 or so, when she breaks up with the cellist
• 1:17:00
  with the, he'll know like I thought that was terrible
• 1:17:02
  because she breaks up with him and.
• 1:17:06
  He's trying. I think they're in an outdoor.
• 1:17:09
  What are those called? Like the tented?
• 1:17:12
  Oh, the pojung child. Yes, yes.
• 1:17:16
  And he's trying to. Convince her that she's
• 1:17:19
  imploding their relationship for something that she thinks is
• 1:17:21
  better, which in this case is JYP.
• 1:17:24
  Yes, but it you know it's not, it'll make her uncomfortable
• 1:17:28
  eventually that she'll regret it eventually.
• 1:17:30
  The grass is not always greener on the other side and that.
• 1:17:34
  She and she still does it anyway.
• 1:17:36
  She still calls it quits with him and his crying in that scene
• 1:17:41
  was so good, so. Good.
• 1:17:44
  So good. I mean, as much as I bitch about
• 1:17:46
  how, like, it's still like, it gave us that scene.
• 1:17:48
  It gave us another. Not that we really needed it,
• 1:17:50
  but another Kimson Cho, looking wounded and like, heartbroken
• 1:17:55
  and yearning and just like, oh. My heart, my heart went out
• 1:17:59
  there, you know, our poor boy. But then later, she tells the
• 1:18:03
  foundation director, Youngin, I think they call her Noona
• 1:18:06
  throughout the show. She tells her that they broke up
• 1:18:10
  and he's there. Like Kilno is there in the
• 1:18:12
  concert hall where they're talking and she goes ape shit in
• 1:18:17
  front of the Noona character because she's asked him, did you
• 1:18:20
  intend to marry me? With what confidence?
• 1:18:24
  Did you think you had anything to offer me?
• 1:18:31
  Tell me why they. Liked her, she said.
• 1:18:34
  Shit. Person she is.
• 1:18:36
  Horrible She's and horrible and also like they kept flashing
• 1:18:41
  back. Like they kept flashing back to
• 1:18:44
  that scene in the concert like theater bit where they so this
• 1:18:49
  is JYP now and and and the sex second male asking female lead.
• 1:18:54
  And the. The.
• 1:18:55
  Kind of like confession. That wasn't the confession, But
• 1:18:58
  I think, I think when we got to like the fifth three play of
• 1:19:01
  this, you think Flashback. I was.
• 1:19:03
  Like enough. Enough.
• 1:19:05
  I'm like a bit over it. Like, actually, could you just
• 1:19:07
  show me why he liked her rather than this scene?
• 1:19:10
  This, rather than this scene? Could you show me a time when
• 1:19:13
  she deserved your adoration? Because then maybe I'd get it a
• 1:19:17
  bit more. But you know, I know, yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, we had. We both.
• 1:19:21
  Had the. Same issues with this character.
• 1:19:25
  And then her threatening at various points Chesuna like she
• 1:19:30
  shows up in front of her house in front of Chesuna's
• 1:19:32
  neighborhood and says that her and JYP have 15 years of
• 1:19:36
  history. Stay out of our business.
• 1:19:38
  Yeah, I was like, what? The hell where did this guy?
• 1:19:42
  If I was chasing, I'd have no idea what she's talking about.
• 1:19:46
  Why? Why she would come and tell me
• 1:19:48
  this? Because at this point, they're
• 1:19:50
  not even together, really. Yeah, it was crazy it.
• 1:19:54
  Was it? Was.
• 1:19:56
  So I completely. Was on Chase on last side, did
• 1:19:59
  you, did you take sides in their relationship at all?
• 1:20:03
  Like did you find? That you were.
• 1:20:06
  Sort of on JYP side as far as he had a lot of the way that he was
• 1:20:11
  behaving was warranted and you know, forgivable or were you on
• 1:20:16
  chase on last side? I was chasing our.
• 1:20:18
  Side Yeah, Yeah. Because there.
• 1:20:20
  Were there were. Times when I'm just like because
• 1:20:22
  let's be fair, like as as beautiful as this drama, that
• 1:20:24
  subtlety. There were also times when it it
• 1:20:26
  did lean into the tropes right and so like part way like like
• 1:20:29
  towards the end when it does that whole miscommunication
• 1:20:32
  thing if she miss her or misunderstands like.
• 1:20:36
  Him kind of being the accompanist to the second female
• 1:20:39
  and like you could just explain, you could just talk and you
• 1:20:44
  could also tell her like your money issues and you could just
• 1:20:48
  tell her like cuz she doesn't feel like you're talking to her
• 1:20:52
  right? Yeah.
• 1:20:54
  You could just talk. You could just talk.
• 1:20:57
  I mean it gives us antsy scene. So I'm just like, I get it, I
• 1:21:00
  get it, I get like that's why they did it.
• 1:21:01
  But yeah, now all the time I did feel like, OK, so first of all
• 1:21:05
  like, I just feel the drama did such a good job of.
• 1:21:10
  As we said, making her an introvert.
• 1:21:12
  But she is so brave. Like she like throughout this
• 1:21:15
  drama, right. She is consistently putting
• 1:21:18
  herself out there. And you know, because she's, I
• 1:21:20
  mean, this is flipping hard for anybody to do, but it must be so
• 1:21:23
  much more harder when you're such an introvert.
• 1:21:27
  So she tells him that you like seeing when she tells him she
• 1:21:30
  likes him. Oh yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Perfect example. And and you do you want to read?
• 1:21:35
  The thing because she wrote like an interview she gave right
• 1:21:38
  about that scene she talked. About that scene and it was
• 1:21:41
  really touching. The way she talked.
• 1:21:45
  About their chemistry, and she explained that in episode 6, it
• 1:21:49
  wasn't that I meant to confess my feelings, but after seeing
• 1:21:52
  his face, everything just came out uncontrollably.
• 1:21:55
  I had my hand on my chest and I could feel my heart beating, so
• 1:21:58
  it seems like she's a little method because.
• 1:22:02
  She was feeling some type of way during that scene, and you could
• 1:22:06
  tell that it was authentic and very organic.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah. The way that it just sort of
• 1:22:12
  spilled out of her, like I like you.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah. And I felt.
• 1:22:15
  It you know like I've been I've been that person that think that
• 1:22:19
  person that's kind of like I don't think you'd like me back
• 1:22:21
  and you're like way too like. You know about out of my league,
• 1:22:25
  which is I think how she feels right.
• 1:22:26
  This person is so out of my league.
• 1:22:27
  But oh, like I've got all these feelings and then suddenly like,
• 1:22:31
  and then suddenly you're asking me what's wrong And I'm just
• 1:22:34
  like I can't pretend that like I'm OK.
• 1:22:38
  Because obviously I'm not OK and like black is my feelings.
• 1:22:41
  And so it felt so real. I was just like and but she was
• 1:22:44
  so brave as well you know to just bear her heart it it, you
• 1:22:48
  know in in that situation where she feels like.
• 1:22:51
  It's just one sided like for her, you know, it's just from
• 1:22:54
  her side. So she's not saying it to like
• 1:22:56
  elicit like I like you back. Like I know she knows that this
• 1:23:00
  is not, you know. Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  And then the ice cream kiss. Can we talk about the ice cream
• 1:23:07
  scene? Take it away.
• 1:23:10
  Take it. Away I made a TikTok about it
• 1:23:12
  cuz I loved it so much. But absolutely please what did
• 1:23:16
  you what did you think about the ice cream kiss?
• 1:23:18
  I just love the. Well, first of all, I love the
• 1:23:21
  IT turns out that he didn't really like ice cream, so it was
• 1:23:25
  so delivable. This is so believable.
• 1:23:29
  Yeah, yeah, that he's. Like I just.
• 1:23:31
  Do you want to grab ice cream? He basically is just like pulled
• 1:23:34
  it out of thin air, even though he doesn't even like ice cream
• 1:23:36
  just to spend time with her and then later on she they're eating
• 1:23:40
  ice cream together. But he's not eating.
• 1:23:43
  He's. Not eating it.
• 1:23:44
  And she's like, what? It's wrong.
• 1:23:47
  And he's like, I don't really like ice cream.
• 1:23:51
  So that's really cute. That was already cute.
• 1:23:54
  As I mean God they're just so cute that was already cute as
• 1:23:57
  and then they lean in because then the hurt his ice cream
• 1:23:59
  falls and then she she's like you know you know they're about
• 1:24:03
  to kiss and and then she does it right she initiates it she
• 1:24:09
  kisses him and like I'm just like you go girl like you just
• 1:24:14
  you know like it must also really hard and then.
• 1:24:18
  And it's just so cute because then she kisses him and then she
• 1:24:21
  suddenly, like, draws back and sit like you could kind of feel
• 1:24:24
  like she goes, oh shit, like I I kissed him like, oh, like what
• 1:24:28
  was I doing? And then he just goes in for
• 1:24:31
  like round two. And then I'm just like, and then
• 1:24:34
  and then the ice cream is melting.
• 1:24:36
  And then we are all melting. And I was like, oh, this is such
• 1:24:39
  a great scene. I love that.
• 1:24:41
  Perfect. Yeah.
• 1:24:41
  She puts down her own. Ice cream so it's like.
• 1:24:44
  I got to dedicate myself to the sweeter thing and this kiss is
• 1:24:47
  sweeter than the ice cream. That.
• 1:24:49
  Right now I. Scene.
• 1:24:52
  And yeah, she's quite brave, I think even just the fact that
• 1:24:56
  she went to Business School, graduated with a business
• 1:24:58
  degree, and then was like, I'm going to go back to school for
• 1:25:01
  violin. And she'd never played the
• 1:25:03
  violin before. Wild that.
• 1:25:08
  Is that is. That's maybe something more
• 1:25:12
  because. And even her.
• 1:25:14
  Dad was like, do you? Even, like, are you even
• 1:25:16
  talented at playing the violin? The family's like befuddled by
• 1:25:23
  her decision and of course they don't support her, which is
• 1:25:25
  really sad and. I I don't know.
• 1:25:31
  I don't know if I like this family at all, but.
• 1:25:34
  But quite. I guess like in the in the
• 1:25:36
  social context, I think completely understandable.
• 1:25:40
  Yeah, I love, I love that she is such a brave character, but she
• 1:25:43
  doesn't look it right. She's going.
• 1:25:44
  So it's that juxtaposition of life.
• 1:25:46
  They don't have to always be warriors and they don't have to
• 1:25:48
  be like a king in the King's affection and be all like, you
• 1:25:51
  know, I'm alpha. Like she is so, so, so strong
• 1:25:55
  and so, so brave. And then even then, later, when
• 1:25:57
  she she decides that she's going to break up, you know, and she
• 1:26:02
  does it for herself. To put herself even though she
• 1:26:07
  likes him so much. She she's like, I'm doing this
• 1:26:12
  for me. That really organic and also
• 1:26:19
  really brave and took courage and yeah, I.
• 1:26:13
  This isn't. This isn't working for me.
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, and I. Agree completely.
• 1:26:24
  I like that she she brings up, I think in voiceover can she beat
• 1:26:30
  time, which is 2 things that she's trying to work out in her
• 1:26:35
  mind and heart. Can she beat the time?
• 1:26:38
  That other people have on her. Like as far as her musical
• 1:26:43
  ability, she is way behind everybody else in school.
• 1:26:47
  And even his JYP's agent comes and has like multiple terrible
• 1:26:52
  conversations with her where he's just putting her down and
• 1:26:55
  giving her reality check that she'd never requested.
• 1:26:58
  And he's like, there, you can't be time everyone else has had.
• 1:27:04
  Been practicing and taking lessons for over a decade and
• 1:27:07
  you're just starting. Like, whether you're good or
• 1:27:09
  bad, it doesn't matter, You can't beat them.
• 1:27:12
  And in her, in the relationship between JYP and Jung Kyung, the
• 1:27:16
  second female lead, it's the same thing that she's
• 1:27:19
  questioning. Like, can I beat this time that
• 1:27:22
  they've spent together? Like, I don't have this history
• 1:27:25
  with him and. How am?
• 1:27:29
  I going to get you know he's she's everywhere in his life.
• 1:27:33
  Like she goes to his house. She requests to go to his house
• 1:27:36
  which is also really brave right Early on in the relationship.
• 1:27:39
  She's like can I go up to your house And she sees like the
• 1:27:44
  Hank, the handkerchief that she gave him and he's funded
• 1:27:51
  basically by her family. His entire livelihood depends on
• 1:27:54
  on her and. So on and so forth.
• 1:28:05
  With this, and it's a valid question, yeah, talking about
• 1:28:14
  the relationship, the elitism, which I think you touched on
• 1:28:17
  earlier was probably the most like.
• 1:27:57
  The list goes on with how she's been imprinted all over JYP and
• 1:28:01
  she said like Jason was like, how can I?
• 1:28:22
  Frustrating part of the show. To me like never never mind the
• 1:28:25
  two love triangles and the second female lead from hell, I
• 1:28:29
  thought the elitism and the way that there is like a clear
• 1:28:33
  hierarchy in the school and. The music.
• 1:28:39
  Community. And I couldn't fathom how JYP
• 1:28:43
  could let his piano competition teacher speak so badly of his
• 1:28:47
  girlfriend at this point. And how her?
• 1:28:52
  Internship buddy as well was saying like, why would a world
• 1:28:55
  class pianist date an ordinary violin student?
• 1:28:58
  Yeah. Yeah, cuz she's just ordinary.
• 1:29:02
  It was. It was a lot.
• 1:29:04
  And I was feeling that along with the character, that was
• 1:29:08
  something that was running throughout the show was just
• 1:29:11
  this the way. That the community's so.
• 1:29:16
  Yeah, yeah, it. Was so hierarchical, right?
• 1:29:20
  But that's why then, then that also gave like, one of the other
• 1:29:22
  scenes that I really loved when he was just, you know, he was
• 1:29:26
  when they were together and people were asking them like,
• 1:29:30
  you know, is this rumor real? And he's like, yeah, she's my
• 1:29:32
  girlfriend. Like I'm we're dating.
• 1:29:34
  And then they sit next to each other in the canteen, and then
• 1:29:37
  they just basically do, because they just do a lot of this, like
• 1:29:40
  shy smiling at each. Like they can't, Yeah, stop
• 1:29:42
  smiling at each other. But then they kind of stop, and
• 1:29:45
  then they start again because they kind of like, can't not
• 1:29:47
  stop smiling. And I was just like, ohh,
• 1:29:49
  they're so adorable. They're so cute together.
• 1:29:52
  I love them. Yeah.
• 1:29:53
  Yeah, the exploitation. Of the students by the
• 1:29:57
  professors, yes. Disgusting.
• 1:30:03
  And they badger them. They insult them.
• 1:30:06
  The teachers are condescending to them.
• 1:30:09
  They pin all of like the professors pin all of their own.
• 1:30:14
  Dash Dreams. And musical aspirations on the
• 1:30:17
  students. And not only do they live
• 1:30:18
  vicariously through them, but they they're simultaneously
• 1:30:21
  gaining esteem and clout and position from attaching their
• 1:30:26
  name to their most successful students.
• 1:30:28
  And this blew my mind, I don't feel.
• 1:30:32
  Like, we have that in our culture over here in the West.
• 1:30:35
  So I was like, this is like a whole new thing where you have
• 1:30:41
  these students who make it and then somehow like the teachers
• 1:30:46
  also in the same sentence. Why?
• 1:30:48
  Yeah. That's really interesting.
• 1:30:50
  Because you know how you said like this drama kind of felt
• 1:30:53
  like a bit old school to you, So this part of it?
• 1:30:56
  Felt very old school to me because I think that's quite,
• 1:30:59
  it's quite an Asian confusion concept, you know, the whole
• 1:31:02
  like confusion thing of a master and their like their their pupil
• 1:31:07
  and how a successful pupil reflects well on their master.
• 1:31:11
  So for me, it felt like these were kind of themes that had
• 1:31:14
  been so the fact that they these two quite bitchy professors and
• 1:31:18
  they're like at each other, like the whole the two women
• 1:31:20
  professors, yeah. It felt really.
• 1:31:23
  Old school to me, so actually I. Ended up kind of enjoying it
• 1:31:26
  because I found that bit like a little bit melodramatic, like
• 1:31:30
  melodra, like old school melodrama.
• 1:31:32
  Like they were just, it was like it was just so OTT and they were
• 1:31:35
  just so bitchy and they just hated each other so much that I
• 1:31:39
  was like, OK, I'm just this bit's not like this is just the
• 1:31:43
  mellow butt of this drama. Like they're kind of like taking
• 1:31:45
  the P rather than it being like a true reflection of kind of
• 1:31:49
  might might go on in the classical world.
• 1:31:51
  So that's right. Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  So it was. It was a.
• 1:31:53
  Little bit. Trying to watch and to have the
• 1:31:57
  students get in the crosshairs of these petty rivalries and the
• 1:32:00
  those two music professors who don't one actually did teach the
• 1:32:06
  students. It felt like yes, whenever.
• 1:32:09
  She was having the private. Lessons with that one girl who
• 1:32:12
  had a a really overbearing mom she was teaching her.
• 1:32:17
  On the other hand, whenever we saw the other professor with
• 1:32:21
  Chesuna on those private lessons, it was.
• 1:32:25
  I was like, how is Jason, like, keeping it together?
• 1:32:27
  Because she's not even paying attention.
• 1:32:29
  She's not giving her any notes, She's not teaching her anything.
• 1:32:33
  And. Then she had to do the.
• 1:32:34
  Event and then not get invited like she did all that work and
• 1:32:38
  then so angry I was. Livid.
• 1:32:43
  I was livid when that professor said.
• 1:32:47
  That that she was. Like, oh, I only invited the
• 1:32:50
  best students, the best players. And so of course you're not.
• 1:32:54
  A member of the Chamber Orchestra which the chamber.
• 1:32:58
  Itself was like a pyramid scheme.
• 1:33:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a.
• 1:33:03
  Ponzi scheme, yeah, yeah, yes. The students, the players
• 1:33:07
  themselves, were buying all the tickets and.
• 1:33:11
  They were the like. There was no, Oh my God, it was
• 1:33:14
  so frustrating. But I I just couldn't get over
• 1:33:19
  that that bitch of a violin professor who?
• 1:33:23
  I mean. Even later.
• 1:33:25
  She's at some sort of event from the KYUNGSU Foundation that
• 1:33:29
  happens at the school and in front of all of the KYUNGSU
• 1:33:33
  Foundation girlies. The Bitch Violin Professor says
• 1:33:36
  you couldn't ask for a better wife for a performer.
• 1:33:39
  Nowadays women all have their own job keeping them busy.
• 1:33:42
  But honestly, for musicians like June Young who go on tour, they
• 1:33:46
  need a wife who packs their bags and manages their schedule.
• 1:33:51
  That's how they can focus on their music only, without having
• 1:33:54
  to worry about bothersome things like managing their money.
• 1:34:03
  It's a head scratcher. It's so.
• 1:34:05
  Old. School.
• 1:34:06
  That's what it is. That's the bit that remind, I
• 1:34:07
  think, yeah, that's the bit that felt like old school.
• 1:34:10
  Whoa. Whoa.
• 1:34:13
  And then I love how you had that Kyungsu nuna go.
• 1:34:16
  People really just say whatever they please, yeah.
• 1:34:20
  Like. People just flapped their.
• 1:34:21
  Lips together. And she goes.
• 1:34:24
  Not everybody. Is an adult just because they
• 1:34:26
  are older? Yes, I.
• 1:34:28
  Love her character. Oh, I loved her character.
• 1:34:31
  I thought she was such a gem. I really enjoyed her inclusion.
• 1:34:34
  Yeah, in the the whole show, really.
• 1:34:37
  I love. I love the.
• 1:34:38
  Actress. Actually, so yeah, I love her
• 1:34:41
  too. Yeah, that.
• 1:34:42
  Is I have her. Saw Jung Yong.
• 1:34:47
  Yes, so. She is also in interest of love.
• 1:34:51
  But she is. But she is playing the mum of
• 1:34:55
  Yuyun Suk and I think there's like a decade between them.
• 1:35:00
  I was just like, come on, now she's what?
• 1:35:03
  Now she's in. She's just like mum roles now.
• 1:35:06
  It's like she's not that old. Guys, come on.
• 1:35:09
  So yeah, that was a bit, yeah. Anyway, I digress.
• 1:35:13
  No, it's fine. It's fine.
• 1:35:16
  I think that the whole JYP doesn't, can't play piano the
• 1:35:21
  way he wants to and never has play piano the way he wants to
• 1:35:25
  is also really important part of the show.
• 1:35:27
  And really poignant because whenever he has these lessons
• 1:35:30
  with this terrible, terrible competition teacher who like, is
• 1:35:36
  mentally traumatizing all of his students evidently and
• 1:35:38
  especially JYP. Yeah.
• 1:35:41
  He's constantly telling him. To pander to the judges.
• 1:35:46
  And to basically dumb it down and play it in the most
• 1:35:49
  respectable, the most like appeal to the the common
• 1:35:54
  denominator basically versus playing it with the feeling and
• 1:35:58
  emotion and maybe slight difference from the pandering
• 1:36:04
  like the majority and getting a perfect score from like one
• 1:36:08
  person and making one person feel something.
• 1:36:13
  And I was like, that's powerful. Like we could sit there and talk
• 1:36:16
  about that for a long time, but I.
• 1:36:19
  Like that and he ends up. Saying can I not even play the
• 1:36:22
  piano the way I want to? And the teacher's like, no, you
• 1:36:25
  can't. It's.
• 1:36:27
  Really interesting because actually I think it's a parallel
• 1:36:30
  as well. So have you heard of Long Long?
• 1:36:32
  No. I don't.
• 1:36:35
  So. Lang Lang is a very famous
• 1:36:39
  pianist from China. So he's probably the most famous
• 1:36:41
  pianist that China has ever produced.
• 1:36:44
  And he started when he was three, obviously.
• 1:36:48
  So yeah. And he's and he's done
• 1:36:49
  interviews about how like he. He.
• 1:36:54
  Was basically like pressured into doing well.
• 1:36:57
  So anyway, I I digress. So one of the themes of and as a
• 1:37:02
  racist element to it as well, but one of the themes of.
• 1:37:05
  The Chinese classical music scene or even the East Asian
• 1:37:08
  musical scene is this kind of like and again slightly racist
• 1:37:12
  kind of viewpoint. The East Asian people are very
• 1:37:15
  technically good, but not necessarily have this kind of.
• 1:37:22
  Appreciation or this artistry or this authenticity of voice that
• 1:37:28
  maybe Western musicians have because they, you know, there's
• 1:37:32
  this kind of like because you know, like Chinese, there's a
• 1:37:34
  Chinese, like a racist Chinese trope is that we're all robotic
• 1:37:37
  automatons and that we're really good at that kind of following
• 1:37:40
  instructions and doing it. Like everybody could do the same
• 1:37:44
  move at the same time in a really orchestrated way.
• 1:37:46
  But we can't think for ourselves because we're kind of robotic
• 1:37:49
  like that and so. Pianists are like technically,
• 1:37:52
  so people who do then E stations that then do the classical music
• 1:37:56
  and learn an instrument are like technically very proficient but
• 1:37:59
  yet don't necessarily have this artistry thing.
• 1:38:03
  So I also thought that that was like his teacher was kind of
• 1:38:06
  representing like that world of like be.
• 1:38:10
  Somebody who is technically good and pleases everybody.
• 1:38:14
  And don't be too individual and express your personality and
• 1:38:20
  your you know your emotions through your piece and be too
• 1:38:23
  idiosyncratic, like because you should just fit in because like
• 1:38:27
  the Asian thing is to fit in and not stand out.
• 1:38:32
  I am shocked. Well, not shocked.
• 1:38:35
  How do I put this? I have never heard that about.
• 1:38:39
  Musicians and artists from Southeast Asia ever.
• 1:38:43
  And so that was shocking in and of itself.
• 1:38:45
  But I am so glad that you're here to have these great nuanced
• 1:38:49
  takes and and call out some of these maybe stereotypes if
• 1:38:54
  you're looking at the got it nicely.
• 1:38:55
  But I. Literally, you blew my.
• 1:38:59
  Mind right now about that take in that viewpoint about the
• 1:39:04
  racist stereotype and like. I never thought of it like that.
• 1:39:10
  I never thought and. It's just, you know, I come from
• 1:39:12
  a different culture and like, individuality is everything.
• 1:39:17
  And that's why you've. You know, gravitate towards
• 1:39:19
  certain performers because they make you feel a certain way or
• 1:39:23
  they talk about something that in their lyrics that like speaks
• 1:39:26
  to you. And classical music is really
• 1:39:29
  difficult to make a name for yourself to me, because the
• 1:39:33
  music has been on the page for sometimes centuries.
• 1:39:37
  And countless people have played it.
• 1:39:46
  Yeah. And what are you gonna bring to
• 1:39:41
  the table that's new and fresh and different?
• 1:39:44
  Yeah, no, I totally. Wow.
• 1:39:48
  Yeah, it was interesting. I I felt like that's why I
• 1:39:51
  actually appreciate another element of why I appreciated the
• 1:39:54
  drama that it was set in, the setting that was kind of had a
• 1:39:57
  wider social. Commentary I think like on,
• 1:40:00
  yeah, like I said that it's very much kind of.
• 1:40:04
  Something that lots and lots of people do in Asia just for the
• 1:40:07
  extracurricular credits and not necessarily in and of itself.
• 1:40:13
  Romance of it, yeah. Yeah, right.
• 1:40:12
  Not for. Or the love.
• 1:40:15
  Of it or the creativity, the artistry of it, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:19
  Yeah. I really.
• 1:40:23
  I guess the last thing that I wanted to talk about about gyp
• 1:40:27
  was that he was so. Wrecked, like with his soulless
• 1:40:32
  life. That he's lived as a pianist and
• 1:40:34
  as a student, and that he's the golden ticket for his family.
• 1:40:39
  The checking account that they dip into when his dad squanders
• 1:40:42
  more money and he feels indebted and owned by the rich family, by
• 1:40:48
  Jung Kung's family, who gave him everything.
• 1:40:51
  They gave him his shot, gave him the foundation money and they
• 1:40:55
  continually pay his family's debts under the table.
• 1:40:59
  And it's like he can't live without them.
• 1:41:03
  Like he can't amount. To anything without their
• 1:41:05
  wallet. And it's maddening for him to
• 1:41:08
  keep this toxic lifestyle that he's and it goes into.
• 1:41:12
  Like what we were saying earlier about he's never been able to
• 1:41:15
  enjoy his piano playing. Well, this is a huge part of it
• 1:41:18
  too, that he's been beaten into submission and he's been bought
• 1:41:23
  and paid for, basically. Yeah.
• 1:41:26
  Yeah, so the romance. Fan in me also loves that hits
• 1:41:30
  his setup because he's so lonely, right?
• 1:41:32
  I love a lonely hero. A lonely, damaged hero.
• 1:41:39
  And yeah, and I I love that. I love how they they set it up
• 1:41:42
  in the drama. Like it's not in your face that
• 1:41:45
  this is the thing that he's going through that you just kind
• 1:41:48
  of like peel back the layers and realize that he, you know with
• 1:41:52
  with the whole, like I'm this top tier concept, P&S comes all
• 1:41:56
  of this top kind of thing. And and I thought that the drama
• 1:41:59
  did a really good and then like Kim and Jay himself did a really
• 1:42:02
  good. He was.
• 1:42:04
  So it was a really physical performance actually because
• 1:42:07
  they're so introverted and they don't say a lot.
• 1:42:10
  So I felt like they were really showing their acting chops
• 1:42:14
  through really subtle like the way he held his body, the eye
• 1:42:19
  contact and stuff and like, yeah, just really great.
• 1:42:23
  I agree. I agree when they break.
• 1:42:27
  Up which I was fully supportive of Jason while breaking up with
• 1:42:31
  him. Actually, as a matter.
• 1:42:32
  Of fact, I was like, yeah, this should happen earlier.
• 1:42:36
  It's of course raining outside. And that's what I mean by in the
• 1:42:39
  later episodes it gets a little cheap with like the K drama
• 1:42:43
  tropes and the cliches where earlier they had this whole
• 1:42:47
  scene where she gave him an umbrella.
• 1:42:48
  It was raining, he didn't have one.
• 1:42:49
  She gave him one. Then they break up.
• 1:42:52
  Of fucking course it's raining outside.
• 1:42:54
  When she walks out and he gives her back the umbrella.
• 1:42:57
  Yeah, yeah. So I was like I hated it cuz
• 1:43:00
  they didn't need. It right I.
• 1:43:02
  Didn't need to do that. Well, actually, cuz yeah.
• 1:43:04
  And just the other really, really, really great scene that
• 1:43:08
  I really loved was his initial confession to her.
• 1:43:13
  So, so let me set this up. So she he had said, I need to
• 1:43:17
  have a conversation with you and I need to tell you something.
• 1:43:22
  So she then all starts thinking, Oh my God, what could he be
• 1:43:25
  telling me? Like, could he be telling me,
• 1:43:27
  could he be confessing his love back to me or whatever?
• 1:43:30
  And then she's all like, really tense and nervous.
• 1:43:32
  And then suddenly he goes, so I'm playing the piano for
• 1:43:37
  talking, and she's just like. What the like WCF like?
• 1:43:44
  Why you tell like why are you telling me this?
• 1:43:46
  Why is this relevant to me? Like you just kind of told me
• 1:43:49
  that you were telling me something so I thought you were
• 1:43:51
  here to tell me something big like just basically you know,
• 1:43:55
  she more thing like one more thing that Jung Kung has like
• 1:43:58
  Won over her. Yes, is.
• 1:44:00
  That now suddenly he's her accompanist accompanist.
• 1:44:04
  And she's struggling. Like has been struggling to get
• 1:44:09
  a good accompanies for her grad school audition.
• 1:44:12
  And it's like like right where it hurts, right, Yeah, right
• 1:44:15
  where it hurts. And then he said that this is
• 1:44:17
  the really important thing he wants to tell her.
• 1:44:19
  And also we as in the audience know that he wants to do it like
• 1:44:22
  cuz he doesn't want her to misunderstand and stuff.
• 1:44:25
  But my heart's with her. I'm just like seriously, like
• 1:44:30
  seriously, this is the way. Read the room.
• 1:44:31
  Read the room. Yeah, and then and.
• 1:44:36
  Then he drops the bombshell. Of like, actually I like you.
• 1:44:40
  And then they have their kiss with the piano and the
• 1:44:43
  discordant notes, and now it's like, I love the thing, I love
• 1:44:47
  the scene. Yeah, that's a really good A+
• 1:44:51
  scene and I. That then they come up with that
• 1:44:54
  thing. Between them, that's like, tell
• 1:44:55
  me the important thing first. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:00
  I really like that too. I.
• 1:45:01
  Really love that too. Yeah, so.
• 1:45:05
  This was OK for me in the episode. 15 they both get.
• 1:45:09
  And this is done in like a montage sequence, so it's not
• 1:45:12
  dwelled upon that much. But she gets sick because she's
• 1:45:16
  decided to give up the violin because that's her great love,
• 1:45:20
  right? She's loves playing the violin
• 1:45:23
  and then he gets sick at the same time because they broke up.
• 1:45:27
  Because she was his greatest love, not the piano.
• 1:45:30
  Like, who gives a fuck about the piano?
• 1:45:31
  So I I was like, OK, this is OK. I'll allow this trope of like,
• 1:45:38
  oh, they get sick because they're heartsick, basically,
• 1:45:41
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:45:45
  Yeah. Did you foresee?
• 1:45:47
  That Jung Kyung's grandmother would die.
• 1:45:53
  I was quite shocked actually, I think when it.
• 1:45:55
  Happened. But then I realized, I guess
• 1:45:58
  they were telling us that she was not.
• 1:46:00
  She wasn't. She was ill.
• 1:46:01
  She was ill. She was OK.
• 1:46:04
  So here's I I agree. With you and.
• 1:46:06
  I I'm. The fact that they were saying,
• 1:46:10
  oh, she had a hospital. Say she was ill and.
• 1:46:12
  People were kind of like treating her very gingerly
• 1:46:14
  whenever she was out and about. That's fine.
• 1:46:17
  But she seemed in good health the rest of the show, and so I
• 1:46:22
  thought we were free and clear of some elderly person just up
• 1:46:24
  and dying on us in the middle of the show.
• 1:46:27
  Not the case at all. You get a really cheap shot,
• 1:46:31
  right? Where Jung Kyung just sent the
• 1:46:33
  e-mail was about to send the e-mail that she's going to turn
• 1:46:35
  down the professorial position and her violin string snaps to
• 1:46:44
  signify. Smash, cut the grandma.
• 1:46:48
  We're already like, she's already dead and we're at the
• 1:46:51
  funeral. I was like, what the fuck?
• 1:46:54
  Like this is so. It couldn't.
• 1:46:58
  Have been more old School K drama in that moment.
• 1:47:03
  Yeah, I so agree. I so agree.
• 1:47:05
  Yeah, he's like, again, we were just talking about all this
• 1:47:08
  nuance and meaning throughout the show.
• 1:47:10
  And their journeys are so interesting.
• 1:47:12
  And then you have like the violin snap to civilize that the
• 1:47:15
  grandmother died. I'm like, shut up.
• 1:47:17
  Like, just shut up, tone it down.
• 1:47:19
  Because we were good up until now.
• 1:47:22
  I felt a bit like it was almost like the showrunner, like, came
• 1:47:25
  in. Maybe at that point I said, you
• 1:47:26
  know, like, I think you need to put these things into your
• 1:47:29
  drama. Like, it's just liberty.
• 1:47:30
  Subtle. It's too too smart.
• 1:47:34
  You have to dumb it down to the. Audience.
• 1:47:36
  Yeah, exactly. So annoying, but they finally
• 1:47:40
  get together. And play Brahms for her
• 1:47:44
  graduation. Recital, yeah.
• 1:47:47
  Which I really enjoyed their performance I thought.
• 1:47:49
  The latter. Performances between them and
• 1:47:53
  the trio, yeah. And his graduation recital as
• 1:47:57
  well. I was like, these are really
• 1:47:59
  good. Memorable bits of the show of
• 1:48:02
  them performing and they sounded really good.
• 1:48:05
  I did And I think where like Pak on bins kind of like violin
• 1:48:10
  playing and slight background and it really paid off because
• 1:48:13
  when she's doing the Super dramatic like you know, Boeing
• 1:48:16
  thing, I'm just like you look so right.
• 1:48:19
  You know, I do not pay the violin, so I have no idea, but
• 1:48:22
  you look like you look the real deal.
• 1:48:25
  And yeah, it was so great. It was really good.
• 1:48:28
  Yeah, I like the quote that she says to him after their
• 1:48:31
  performance at. Her graduation recital.
• 1:48:33
  You know, the piece we played today?
• 1:48:35
  The FAE Sonata means free but lonely.
• 1:48:38
  But I hope that you can be free and happy.
• 1:48:41
  Yeah, yeah, that's so lovely. It's so lovely.
• 1:48:47
  I don't understand this is a nipic.
• 1:48:48
  Why did? His graduation recital have like
• 1:48:50
  a bunch of songs, and then hers just had one song that's so big.
• 1:48:57
  Like he came in and had a whole program.
• 1:49:00
  And she just needed. Him for the one son.
• 1:49:02
  Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's just his, You
• 1:49:05
  know, he's the star. And she's like, yeah, true that
• 1:49:09
  little. But I like the.
• 1:49:11
  Conversation. That she has.
• 1:49:12
  With him after his graduation. Recital where he says, I mean he
• 1:49:18
  like they've already broken up, she's about to leave and he says
• 1:49:24
  like, I love you. Like I'm I'm being selfish right
• 1:49:28
  now. I know that.
• 1:49:29
  Like we've. Broken up and.
• 1:49:31
  I hurt you. This is so great.
• 1:49:31
  But I love you. And I think I just regret it for
• 1:49:33
  the rest of my life. If I didn't tell you right now
• 1:49:36
  and I was like, like, hand over heart, I like, couldn't breathe.
• 1:49:39
  I was like, Oh my God. Then she says that she can't be
• 1:49:44
  friends with him. Yeah, because she loves him.
• 1:49:47
  And then they have this most scrumptious kiss backstage.
• 1:49:52
  I was like, oh Lord, like this is.
• 1:49:56
  It was pretty good, yeah. Yeah, the last couple of notes
• 1:50:02
  that I have have to do. His mom.
• 1:50:05
  Throughout the show, I was thinking she should just divorce
• 1:50:08
  this asshole. There's no hopes that I know.
• 1:50:11
  I know Ben JYP has this convo with his mom.
• 1:50:16
  And says mom. Get a divorce.
• 1:50:18
  I literally gasped. So like the gasp that I gust
• 1:50:23
  when he goes, he just starts in. Mom, get a divorce.
• 1:50:26
  I was like, that's what I have been saying the whole.
• 1:50:31
  So direct. Love it?
• 1:50:33
  Yeah, yeah, he caught me off guard and.
• 1:50:36
  Then couple rings happy ever after.
• 1:50:41
  And and that's it like I think maybe the.
• 1:50:43
  Show the only. Other nippic I have is maybe the
• 1:50:47
  show should be 12 episodes long versus 16.
• 1:50:50
  I think that would be a really sweet spot so you didn't have to
• 1:50:53
  do the 1.25 speed so that I didn't have to.
• 1:50:56
  Do the 1.25 speed and we wouldn't have two love
• 1:50:58
  triangles. And we wouldn't have a little
• 1:51:01
  bit of wheel spinning with John Kyung and her bullshit.
• 1:51:06
  And yeah, it just would have been a little bit of a tighter
• 1:51:08
  show. And I again, really good show
• 1:51:13
  overall, really enjoyed it. I I I No.
• 1:51:17
  I liked it at 16. I would have taken 14 but I
• 1:51:20
  think like 12 was maybe a bit too.
• 1:51:22
  I mean the what the one thing I would say that my final point
• 1:51:25
  would have been that I'm just very glad that they the secondly
• 1:51:28
  didn't end up together. Oh my God that's a great point.
• 1:51:34
  I'm so. Glad they didn't, cuz I was.
• 1:51:36
  I was, I was like, you know, because I really didn't like
• 1:51:38
  her. So episode 14 bit, I think I was
• 1:51:41
  like, please don't get back together with her, don't, don't,
• 1:51:44
  like, don't give her, don't redeem her so much that she is
• 1:51:48
  now like, OK to have her. Because I thought that's what
• 1:51:50
  they were gonna do with the direct like her grandmother
• 1:51:53
  dying. They were gonna like make it all
• 1:51:55
  like get it all like like shmushi and like she was gonna
• 1:52:00
  like realize that she'd been a bitch all this time.
• 1:52:03
  And I was like, please don't make that happen because I'm
• 1:52:06
  just not buying it. And then he goes off to the
• 1:52:09
  States and I'm like, yes, yes, so leave me.
• 1:52:15
  Find. Someone.
• 1:52:16
  Find someone who deserves you, yeah.
• 1:52:19
  Yeah, I agree. Oh, the last thing, I guess.
• 1:52:21
  John Kyung. Is Semi redeemed when she
• 1:52:25
  realizes that she never loved JYP.
• 1:52:28
  She just was comforted by him and his presence and his piano
• 1:52:34
  playing and was extremely jealous of his success.
• 1:52:37
  And felt inferior because her own talent had diminished.
• 1:52:41
  Yeah, but. But again, I didn't buy that
• 1:52:46
  either though. Because that doesn't like her
• 1:52:48
  self realization. Yeah.
• 1:52:51
  OK, Well, no. Had self realization if that's.
• 1:52:53
  Why she liked him like I just was a bit like, but then, but
• 1:52:57
  then you were basically acting like the the jealous kind of
• 1:53:01
  bitch, right? So I don't like.
• 1:53:04
  I get like that could be a justification for how you feel
• 1:53:07
  about someone, but that is not how you behave.
• 1:53:09
  For the majority of this drama, she just behaves so badly.
• 1:53:13
  She did. She just behaves so badly, I
• 1:53:15
  guess. What I liked is that she was
• 1:53:17
  actually a good teacher. Yes.
• 1:53:19
  Yeah. So I like that little like, you
• 1:53:22
  know the the girl was, she saw herself in the girl, right.
• 1:53:25
  And her, her tiger mum. And yeah, and having, I think
• 1:53:30
  also having her coming to terms with.
• 1:53:33
  What the foundation means to each member of her family and
• 1:53:37
  how the grandmother, like she called her grandma out for
• 1:53:43
  thinking that this foundation was this like charitable thing
• 1:53:46
  that she was doing out of the goodness of her heart when
• 1:53:48
  really she started this foundation because she felt
• 1:53:51
  extremely guilty toward her daughter who died Junkyung's
• 1:53:56
  mom. And not having a good
• 1:53:58
  relationship with her and being very harsh toward her.
• 1:54:02
  Yeah, in life. And I was like, oh, that's.
• 1:54:06
  Ooh. That's heavy.
• 1:54:10
  I felt like towards the end, like I could.
• 1:54:09
  Yeah, that's. Buy her like, I don't think she
• 1:54:13
  had a full redemption art, but I could.
• 1:54:14
  I felt like I could buy a little bit of, like, hope for her, that
• 1:54:20
  she could be less of a bitch in the future.
• 1:54:24
  Yeah, and she was already in her 30s, like.
• 1:54:27
  I feel like by the. By the time you're in your 30s,
• 1:54:30
  you're fully cooked like this. You don't grow that much, I
• 1:54:35
  guess. I don't know.
• 1:54:38
  Yeah. This is great and you had such
• 1:54:43
  great takes and so much insight. So we Wow, we were on the same
• 1:54:40
  wavelength for a lot of. Cultural relevancy and things
• 1:54:48
  that spoke to you that I just didn't even pick up on.
• 1:54:50
  I'm so glad that you came on this episode with me.
• 1:54:53
  And enjoyed the show. Sometimes people come on and we
• 1:54:56
  have a good time but the show sucked and we were just
• 1:54:58
  commiserating the whole time because we didn't like the show.
• 1:55:01
  But in this case we did like the show.
• 1:55:03
  And I do wanna just thank you for being so patient.
• 1:55:06
  It takes a really long time sometimes to produce podcast
• 1:55:09
  episodes, as you know, with afternoon to ask.
• 1:55:12
  But I really appreciate it. You've been really, really
• 1:55:15
  wonderful. And I hope you come back.
• 1:55:17
  Oh, I'd love to come back. Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:55:20
  I had a blast. Thank you.
• 1:55:21
  Oh great. Where can with people find you
• 1:55:23
  online? Sarah So I.
• 1:55:25
  Post probably a little bit too obsessively on Instagram at K
• 1:55:29
  Drama this. And then as you said, we've
• 1:55:32
  we've just started a brand new Baby pod Afternoon Asks, which
• 1:55:37
  is a sister podcast of Afternoon Delight.
• 1:55:40
  And I know you've had Leah from Afternoon Delight on your show.
• 1:55:43
  So we myself and then Grace, my cohost is a Korean American.
• 1:55:50
  So we're kind of like Asian owned voices on this whole K
• 1:55:53
  drama many together. So we and it's called asks
• 1:55:57
  because we have a lot of questions, right.
• 1:55:59
  So, you know like we watched K dramas and we're like does this
• 1:56:03
  thing really happen. So we're we're kind of how to
• 1:56:05
  ask the questions that we all have and bring on a lot of
• 1:56:09
  guests and grill them because we both neither us know everything.
• 1:56:13
  We learn how to say Korean names properly with Grace and we learn
• 1:56:16
  some phrases and and other things.
• 1:56:18
  So yeah. So come and join us on Afternoon
• 1:56:21
  asks. I am so glad that you guys are
• 1:56:25
  doing those episodes. And have.
• 1:56:27
  Started a really nice like spin off of Afternoona.
• 1:56:31
  I loved having Lee Leon and here's some more episodes with
• 1:56:36
  you guys, both the afternoona team coming on Debak.
• 1:56:40
  I really appreciate it and that's it.
• 1:56:42
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• 1:56:45
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