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Eye Drop Killer Murders Woman She Loved Like a Mom · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine you're walking into a living room, right? And you
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Speaker 1: find a woman dead in her recliner.
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Speaker 2: Just a horrific thing to walk into.
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Speaker 1: Right, totally. But here's the thing. There's this mountain of
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Speaker 1: crushed pills resting just perfectly undisturbed right on her bare chest.
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Speaker 2: Which is strange right off the bat.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And to the left, there's a plate with, like,
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Speaker 1: Even more crushed medication. And prescription bottles are just flanking
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Speaker 1: her on both sides.
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Speaker 2: It's very theatrical.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a textbook, almost a cinematic suicide scene.
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Speaker 1: But then, three months later, the toxicology report drops this
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Speaker 1: massive bombshell.
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Speaker 2: The twist nobody saw coming.
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Speaker 1: Right. Not a single trace of those pills is actually
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Speaker 1: in her blood. The real murder weapon was just, you know,
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Speaker 1: sitting in plain sight on the nightstand the entire time.
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Speaker 2: A $ 5 bottle of eye drops.
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Speaker 1: A literal bottle of Vizine. Welcome to this deep dive, everyone. Today,
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Speaker 1: our mission is to untack a truly chilling true crime case.
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Speaker 1: We're pulling from a Law and Crime Network video. It's titled,
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Speaker 1: I Drop Killer Murders Woman She Loved Like a Mom.
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Speaker 2: It is a wild case.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And we are going to dissect exactly
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Speaker 1: how a seemingly sudden, you know, tragic death unravels through
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Speaker 1: these tiny microscopic anomalies.
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Speaker 2: Right. We'll be getting into the psychology of manipulation, the, uh,
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Speaker 2: forensic physics of a staged crime scene, and a really
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Speaker 2: devastating trail of financial deceit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the money stuff is just mind-blowing. But let's start
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Speaker 1: by heading to Pewaukee, Wisconsin. It's the city in the
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Speaker 1: Milwaukee area, kind of near Madison.
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Speaker 2: Right, in that region.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where a victim was born in June
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Speaker 1: of 1956. Her name is Lynn Hernan. And Lynn, she
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Speaker 1: was someone who really commanded a room.
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Speaker 2: She had a presence, for sure.
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Speaker 1: Definitely. She was a former hairdresser, a salon owner. And
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Speaker 1: people who knew her, they said she was just impeccably
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Speaker 1: dressed like all the time.
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Speaker 2: Every detail was curated.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Down to her hair, her nails, her jewelry.
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Speaker 1: She lived alone with her cats. She never married, didn't
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Speaker 1: have biological kids, but she had this really robust social circle.
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Speaker 2: And that background as a salon owner, it's actually a
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Speaker 2: really crucial psychological baseline for her.
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Speaker 1: Oh, how so?
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Speaker 2: Well, someone who runs a salon, who makes their living
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Speaker 2: curating appearances and kind of holding court in a social environment.
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Speaker 2: They usually possess a very strong sense of autonomy.
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Speaker 1: Right. They're the boss. They're in charge of the vibe.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They are highly accustomed to controlling their environment and
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Speaker 2: their public presentation. So when we look at how she
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Speaker 2: was later completely stripped of that autonomy, the contrast is
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Speaker 2: just stark.
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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, really, because then we have the foil of
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Speaker 1: our story, right? Jesse Kerchevsky.
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Speaker 2: The caretaker.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but also the daughter of Lynn's absolute best friend,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Flower. I mean, Lynn had basically watched Jesse grow up.
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Speaker 1: She viewed her as the daughter she never had.
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Speaker 2: There was deep bond there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had photos together showing this really loving familial connection.
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Speaker 1: But where Lynn was polished and curated, Jesse was described
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Speaker 1: by people around them as being, you know, a bit
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Speaker 1: rough around the edges.
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Speaker 2: Which is putting it mildly, considering her background.
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Speaker 1: Right, because she had a criminal history. Specifically, a recent
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Speaker 1: prison stint for forgery and identity theft.
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Speaker 2: And that detail... it immediately changes the threat matrix here.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by threat matrix?
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Speaker 2: Well, identity theft and forgery, they aren't crimes of sudden passion, right?
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Speaker 2: They aren't impulsive. They are systemic, highly cognitive crimes of manipulation. Ah, gotcha.
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Speaker 1: Like you have to plan them out.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They require the offender to confidently construct and maintain
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Speaker 2: a false reality over a long period of time. So
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Speaker 2: you have an offender who has practiced in deception and
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Speaker 2: she's entering the inner circle of a woman who extends
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Speaker 2: complete maternal trust to her.
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Speaker 1: That is a terrifying combination. So I guess the big
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Speaker 1: question is, you know, how does a trusted caretaker, someone
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Speaker 1: who is quite literally picking a sick woman up off
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Speaker 1: the floor, how does she transform into the prime suspect
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Speaker 1: in her murder?
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Speaker 2: It's a slow burn.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I want you, the listener, to really consider
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Speaker 1: that dynamic. Like, what would you do if your primary
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Speaker 1: lifeline to the outside world, the person managing your literal
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Speaker 1: daily survival, was secretly your greatest threat?
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Speaker 2: It's a nightmare scenario.
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Speaker 1: It really is. So we have to look at how
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Speaker 1: this web is spun, right? It's 2016. Jesse is released
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Speaker 1: from prison and almost immediately she steps in as Lynn's
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Speaker 1: full-time caretaker.
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Speaker 2: Because Lynn's health was failing.
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Speaker 1: Right. It was deteriorating rapidly. She's suffering from severe gastrointestinal distress,
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Speaker 1: high blood pressure, lung disease.
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Speaker 2: A lot of complex issues happening all at once.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And she is just constantly in and out of hospitals.
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Speaker 1: But the crucial detail here is that her illness remains
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Speaker 1: totally undiagnosed.
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Speaker 2: And if we connect this to the bigger picture, that
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Speaker 2: lack of diagnosis is the absolute breeding ground for dependency.
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Speaker 1: Because there's no clear answer, right? Right.
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Speaker 2: Think about it. If you have a broken arm or
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Speaker 2: a known pathogen, there's a protocol, there's a timeline, an
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Speaker 2: expected outcome. You know you'll get better.
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Speaker 1: But with chronic undiagnosed illness, it's just endless fear.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Especially severe gastrointestinal distress. It is terrifying. The patient
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Speaker 2: is undergoing all these endless invasive tests. endoscopies, blood panels,
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Speaker 2: and the doctors just keep coming back empty-handed.
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Speaker 1: Which has to be so frustrating.
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Speaker 2: It creates a profound information vacuum. The medical establishment feels useless,
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Speaker 2: and the patient feels completely abandoned.
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Speaker 1: So the caretaker just steps right into that vacuum and
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Speaker 1: becomes the only constant. Jessie is the one doing the
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Speaker 1: grocery shopping, paying the bills, picking Lynn up when she falls.
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Speaker 2: She controls every aspect of survival.
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Speaker 1: But wait, I have to ask, if Lynn is constantly
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Speaker 1: in and out of the hospital for this severe distress,
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Speaker 1: how on earth did every single doctor miss the fact
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Speaker 1: that she was being poisoned? I mean, don't they do
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Speaker 1: toxicology screens when you enter the ER?
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Speaker 2: You do, yeah. But we have to understand what a
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Speaker 2: standard hospital toxicology screen actually looks for.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do they look for?
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Speaker 2: The typical ER panel, which is often an ID5 or
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Speaker 2: a 10-panel drug screen, it's really just designed to catch
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Speaker 2: common drugs of abuse.
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Speaker 1: Like street drugs. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Opiates, amphetamines, cocaine, benzos, barbiturates. They're looking for the
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Speaker 2: usual suspects of an accidental overdose.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow. OK. Right.
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Speaker 2: They are not running broad spectrum mass spectrometry to look
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Speaker 2: for obscure over-the-counter chemical compounds unless they have a very,
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Speaker 2: very specific reason to suspect poisoning.
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Speaker 1: And they had no reason to suspect that. None.
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Speaker 2: A chronically ill patient coming in with GI distress and
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Speaker 2: shifting blood pressure That just looks like a complex internal
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Speaker 2: medicine case. It doesn't look like a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: That makes total sense, but it's also terrifying. And the
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Speaker 1: judge in this case, she actually theorized later on that
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Speaker 1: the hospital visits were the only thing keeping Lynn alive.
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Speaker 2: Which is a chilling thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The theory was that Jesse was conducting this long-term
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Speaker 1: calculated poisoning campaign, artificially inducing this illness to keep Lynn
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Speaker 1: weak and compliant.
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Speaker 2: And she would only pause the poisoning when Lynn was hospitalized.
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Speaker 1: Right, because of the cameras, the oversight, the constant blood drawing.
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Speaker 2: Because the hospital is an objective environment, it breaks the isolation.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if a predator is chemically engineering an illness, a
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Speaker 2: prolonged hospital stay is highly dangerous for them. The victim's
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Speaker 2: baseline vitals might actually start to normalize once the toxin
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Speaker 2: is removed from their daily intake.
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Speaker 1: And that threatens to expose the whole lie.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It exposes the baseline reality that the victim isn't
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Speaker 2: actually sick on their own.
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Speaker 1: Man. And, you know, Jesse gave investigators this incredibly telling
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Speaker 1: detail during all this. She claimed Lynn was so frustrated
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Speaker 1: with the medical system that she had, get this, 10
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Speaker 1: boxes of medical documents in her condo.
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Speaker 2: 10 boxes.
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Speaker 1: 10. And according to Jesse, Lynn was getting erratic. She
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Speaker 1: said Lynn was throwing out her bills so the hospital
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Speaker 1: wouldn't get her money. She was refusing rehabilitation, pushing back
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Speaker 1: home health care visits.
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Speaker 2: So you have to think of this like a psychological
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Speaker 2: sensory deprivation chamber.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I like that. Explain that.
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Speaker 2: Well, to completely control someone, you have to cut off
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Speaker 2: their access to external data.
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Speaker 1: So no outside voices. Right.
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Speaker 2: If Jessie is the one checking the mail, interpreting the
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Speaker 2: medical bills, and managing the calendar, she completely controls the narrative.
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Speaker 1: She can say whatever she wants.
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Speaker 2: Yes. She can tell Lynn that the doctors are incompetent
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Speaker 2: or greedy. And conversely, she can tell the doctors that
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Speaker 2: Lynn is uncooperative and paranoid. The isolation is both physical
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Speaker 2: and informational.
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Speaker 1: It's just this terrifying ecosystem. I was thinking about it earlier.
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Speaker 1: And it's not like the cuckoo bird, right?
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Speaker 2: The cuckoo bird?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know how a cuckoo bird lays its egg
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Speaker 1: in another bird's nest? Right.
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Speaker 2: And then the baby bird takes over.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Jessie completely takes over Lynn's ecosystem. She pushes out
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Speaker 1: all the other influences and becomes the only voice Lynn hears.
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Speaker 2: That's actually a really accurate analogy.
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Speaker 1: Is this level of control common in financial fraud cases
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Speaker 1: involving the elderly or the sick?
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Speaker 2: Very common. The physical deterioration of the victim isn't just
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Speaker 2: a side effect in these cases. It's the very mechanism
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Speaker 2: of control. The sicker they are, the more they need
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Speaker 2: you and the less they can double check your actions.
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Speaker 1: That is bleak. But, you know, the illusion of this devoted,
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Speaker 1: exhausted caretaker completely shatters on October 3rd, 2018.
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Speaker 2: The day of the murder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Lynn had just been released from the hospital days prior.
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Speaker 1: A neighbor, who the court identified as Witness A, actually
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Speaker 1: helped Jesse pick Lynn up off the floor after a fall.
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Speaker 2: And that neighbor noted something important, didn't they?
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Speaker 1: Yes. The neighbor noted that Lynn did not seem suicidal
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Speaker 1: at all. But then, on October 3rd, Jesse calls 911.
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Speaker 2: She tells the dispatcher she found Lynn unconscious.
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Speaker 1: Right, in her recliner. EMS arrives, and the Pewaukee Fire
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Speaker 1: personnel pronounce Lynn dead at the scene. And like we
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Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning, the scene is incredible. Incredibly dramatic.
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Speaker 2: Almost too dramatic.
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Speaker 1: Way too dramatic. There is this large amount of crushed
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Speaker 1: pills resting directly on Lynn's chest, a plate with crushed
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Speaker 1: medication to her left, and prescription bottles everywhere.
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Speaker 2: To a first responder, it presents a very specific, very
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Speaker 2: aggressive narrative of a drug overdose.
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Speaker 1: It screams suicide.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And when you layer that visual with Jesse's immediate
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Speaker 2: statement to the deputies that Lynn was sick, she was frustrated,
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Speaker 2: she was throwing out bills, she was terrified of a
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Speaker 2: nursing home, The scene seems to align perfectly with the
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Speaker 2: psychological profile Jesse is providing on the spot.
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Speaker 1: It's as like she handed them a script. But the
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Speaker 1: physical reality of the scene immediately set off alarm bells
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Speaker 1: for the detectives.
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Speaker 2: The physical evidence always speaks for itself.
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Speaker 1: It really does. Waukesha County Detective Timothy Loberg noted this
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Speaker 1: glaring inconsistency. He said that in all his years working
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Speaker 1: death scenes, presumed suicides do not have crushed powder resting
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Speaker 1: perfectly on their chest.
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Speaker 2: And this brings us to the crucial difference between staging
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Speaker 2: a scene and posing a scene.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there's a difference. I thought those were the same thing.
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Speaker 2: Not in forensics. Posing is usually done for psychological reasons
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Speaker 2: by the killer. You know, leaving the body in a
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Speaker 2: specific way for shock value or as part of some
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Speaker 2: dark ritual.
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Speaker 1: Like serial killer stuff.
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Speaker 2: Right. Staging, however, is a calculated redirection. The perpetrator is
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Speaker 2: actively tricked to engineer a scene... to communicate a false
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Speaker 2: narrative to the investigators.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so Jesse was staging. Yes.
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Speaker 2: The problem for her is, perpetrators usually aren't forensic pathologists.
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Speaker 2: They tend to overstage.
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Speaker 1: Because, frankly, biology and physics just don't cooperate with an
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Speaker 1: engineered narrative.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. If a person ingests a lethal amount of crushed medication,
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Speaker 2: the body does not simply power down like a computer
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Speaker 2: closing a laptop.
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Speaker 1: It's messy.
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Speaker 2: It is incredibly chaotic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There is often agonal breathing. involuntary muscle spasms, diaphoresis, which
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Speaker 2: is heavy sweating, and convulsions.
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Speaker 1: So they wouldn't just be sitting still.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. A person slumps, they shift violently in the chair.
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Speaker 2: The idea that a massive pile of crushed powder would
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Speaker 2: remain perfectly undisturbed on the chest of someone undergoing a
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Speaker 2: fatal physiological event, it just defies the basic mechanics of
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Speaker 2: human death.
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Speaker 1: It's cartoonish, almost. And the medical examiner, Dr. Linda Biedzycki...
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Speaker 1: finds an even more undeniable anomaly during the autopsy.
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Speaker 2: The smoking gun, medically speaking.
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Speaker 1: Right. She looks at the powder in and around Lynn's mouth,
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Speaker 1: and the powder isn't discolored. It hasn't bubbled. It hasn't
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Speaker 1: been vomited up.
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Speaker 2: It's pristine.
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Speaker 1: Yes. It is completely untouched by biological processes. It hasn't
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Speaker 1: even interacted with saliva.
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Speaker 2: And biologically, that's impossible if she took it while alive.
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Speaker 2: Saliva is a highly active enzyme solution.
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Speaker 1: Right. It breaks things down immediately.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Any dry powder placed in a living person's mouth
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Speaker 2: or even a recently deceased person's mouth, if they were
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Speaker 2: breathing through it at the time, would show signs of
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Speaker 2: moisture interaction, clumping, degradation, something.
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Speaker 1: But there was nothing.
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Speaker 2: The pristine nature of the powder indicates it was placed
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Speaker 2: there after biological functions had entirely ceased.
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Speaker 1: Literally just a prop on a stage.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a prop to sell a lie.
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Speaker 1: And while that stage scene is a massive red flag...
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Speaker 1: The definitive proof doesn't arrive until three months later, in
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Speaker 1: January 2019. That's when the full toxicology report comes back.
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Speaker 2: And that's when everything shifts.
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Speaker 1: Completely shifts. Lynn's system is totally clean of the pills
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Speaker 1: scattered on her chest. Instead, her blood contains a fatal
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Speaker 1: dose of a chemical called tetrahydrozoline.
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Speaker 2: Often abbreviated as THC.
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Speaker 1: THC, which is the active ingredient in common over-the-counter eye drops.
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Speaker 2: Like Vazine. Which, from a criminal standpoint, is an incredibly sophisticated...
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Speaker 2: If improvised, murder weapon.
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Speaker 1: Because nobody would look twice at it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. THC is virtually invisible in a normal medical context.
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Speaker 2: Think about it. A bottle of eye drops on the
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Speaker 2: nightstand of an elderly or chronically ill woman. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: trigger any suspicion.
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Speaker 1: It just belongs there.
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Speaker 2: It belongs there. It blends right into the background noise
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Speaker 2: of her illness.
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Speaker 1: But here's what gets me, and I'm sure you, the listener,
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Speaker 1: are wondering this, too. How does Vizine actually kill someone?
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Speaker 2: That's a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Right, because we all put it in our eyes to
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Speaker 1: get rid of redness. I've used it a million times.
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Speaker 1: How does a drop for your eye become a lethal poison?
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Speaker 2: It comes down to the mechanism of action. THC is
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Speaker 2: what's known medically as an alpha-adrenergic agonist.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, okay, break that down for me.
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Speaker 2: Right, so basically when you apply a tiny drop to
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Speaker 2: your eye, it works locally. It stimulates the alpha receptors
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Speaker 2: in the blood vessels of just your eye. causing them
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Speaker 2: to constrict, which squeezes the blood out and removes the redness.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. It shrinks the blood vessels.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. But when a large quantity is ingested orally, it
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Speaker 2: completely bypasses that localized application and hits the systemic circulation.
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Speaker 1: Oh, so it goes everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Everywhere. It enters the bloodstream, and crucially, it crosses the
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Speaker 2: blood-brain barrier.
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Speaker 1: That sounds bad.
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Speaker 2: It is very bad. It heavily stimulates the alpha-2 receptors
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Speaker 2: in the central nervous system, It essentially hijacks the brain's
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Speaker 2: regulatory system, tricking it into rapidly decreasing sympathetic tone.
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Speaker 1: Meaning the body just starts shutting down.
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Speaker 2: The body responds by plummeting the blood pressure, drastically dropping
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Speaker 2: the heart rate, and causing severe central nervous system depression.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: The victim goes into a deep lethargy, which is followed
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Speaker 2: by respiratory failure, coma, and eventually death.
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Speaker 1: And the craziest part is those symptoms, the low blood pressure,
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Speaker 1: the lethargy, they just mimic a natural decline. Right.
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Speaker 2: If the patient is already chronically ill, a sudden drop
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Speaker 2: in blood pressure just looks like their body finally giving out.
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Speaker 2: It is incredibly difficult to detect without specialized toxicological testing.
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Speaker 1: That is just, it's pure evil. And because the physical
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Speaker 1: evidence on Lynn's chest directly contradicts the chemical evidence in
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Speaker 1: her blood, investigators finally know they are dealing with a homicide.
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Speaker 2: The pills were a decoy.
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Speaker 1: The pills were a decoy and the eye drops were
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Speaker 1: the bullet. And this forces them to look at the
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Speaker 1: only person managing her care, which is Jesse.
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Speaker 2: The only logical suspect.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And this transitions us right into the interrogation room.
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Speaker 1: It's now July 2019. Investigators bring Jesse in for multiple interviews.
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Speaker 1: We're talking six separate sessions within a 10-day span.
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Speaker 2: It was an intense period of questioning.
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Speaker 1: And what happens in that room is an absolute masterclass
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Speaker 1: in shifting narratives.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the strategy that detectives used. The
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Speaker 2: Waukesha County detectives employed a highly strategic approach.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they didn't just walk in and slap cuffs
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Speaker 1: on her for murder, did they?
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Speaker 2: No, they didn't. They didn't bring her in and immediately
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Speaker 2: charge her with first-degree intentional homicide. Instead, they brought her
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Speaker 2: in on a probation hold related to her past financial crimes.
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Speaker 1: Why do that? Why not just confront her with the
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Speaker 1: murder immediately and shock her?
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Speaker 2: Because an immediate murder charge spikes the suspect's defensiveness to
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Speaker 2: the absolute maximum level.
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Speaker 1: Oh, they clam up.
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Speaker 2: Right. It usually results in them invoking their right to
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Speaker 2: an attorney immediately. Which shuts down the interview completely. Game over. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: But a probation hold lowers the psychological stakes. She's sitting
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Speaker 2: there thinking, OK, I'm just in trouble for some money
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Speaker 2: issues again. I've talked my way out of this before.
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Speaker 2: I can do it again.
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Speaker 1: It gives her false confidence.
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Speaker 2: It keeps the dialogue open. It allows the investigators to
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Speaker 2: lay out a breadcrumb trail of evidence and just watch
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Speaker 2: her attempt to incorporate it into her fiction.
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Speaker 1: OK, let's trace the evolution of these lies because it's
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Speaker 1: wild to watch her spin this. Lie number one is
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Speaker 1: complete ignorance.
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Speaker 2: She plays dumb.
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Speaker 1: Completely. When detectives first casually bring up the THZ, the
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Speaker 1: eye drops, Jessie acts like it's just a quirky habit
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Speaker 1: of Lynn's.
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Speaker 2: A quirky habit?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. She says Lynn had extremely dry eyes and would
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Speaker 1: go through, quote, four bottles of Vazine at a time,
17:42
Speaker 1: just constantly squirting them in.
17:44
Speaker 2: Medically speaking, that is absurd.
17:45
Speaker 1: I mean, four bottles.
17:47
Speaker 2: Continuous heavy application of THZ to the eye causes severe
17:51
Speaker 2: rebound hyperendemia, meaning the eyes would become permanently violently red
17:55
Speaker 2: and irritated.
17:56
Speaker 1: So the opposite of what you want.
17:58
Speaker 2: Exactly. It could lead to severe corneal toxicity. No patient
18:03
Speaker 2: organically uses four bottles of Vizine consecutively for dry eyes.
18:08
Speaker 1: It's just a ridiculous lie.
18:09
Speaker 2: But Jesse is testing the waters. She is trying to
18:12
Speaker 2: offer a benign explanation for the chemical's presence, banking on
18:16
Speaker 2: the police being ignorant of the required lethal dosage.
18:19
Speaker 1: She thinks she's smarter than them. But the police inform
18:22
Speaker 1: her that the medical examiner knows the THZ was ingested.
18:25
Speaker 1: They tell her, look, she drank it.
18:28
Speaker 2: So she has to adapt.
18:29
Speaker 1: She pivots in real time. And this leads to lie
18:31
Speaker 1: number two, the accidental or reckless suicide.
18:35
Speaker 2: She shifts the blame to the victim.
18:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. She claims Lynn was just so frustrated with her doctor,
18:40
Speaker 1: she wanted an easy way out, and that Lynn had
18:42
Speaker 1: actually researched Vazine online.
18:44
Speaker 2: Notice the psychological shift there.
18:46
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
18:46
Speaker 2: She moves from complete ignorance to being a helpless bystander.
18:51
Speaker 2: She accepts the new reality, okay, the THC was ingested,
18:54
Speaker 2: but she constructs a narrative that absolves her of any
18:57
Speaker 2: legal culpability.
18:59
Speaker 1: Right, like I was just sitting there, she did it
19:01
Speaker 1: to herself. And she says she watched Lynn dump multiple
19:04
Speaker 1: bottles of Azine into a large glass of vodka and
19:07
Speaker 1: drink it.
19:08
Speaker 2: The inclusion of vodka is also a highly specific tactical detail.
19:12
Speaker 1: Why vodka specifically?
19:14
Speaker 2: She likely introduced the alcohol to explain away how Lynn
19:18
Speaker 2: could have consumed such a large quantity of a harsh
19:21
Speaker 2: chemical without reacting to the bitter taste.
19:24
Speaker 1: Oh, like it masked the flavor.
19:26
Speaker 2: Right. It makes the story more believable on a practical level.
19:28
Speaker 1: That's so manipulative. But the detectives, they just keep applying pressure.
19:33
Speaker 1: They point out the inconsistencies. They tell her she failed
19:36
Speaker 1: a polygraph test.
19:38
Speaker 2: Which is a heavy blow in an interrogation.
19:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this brings us to lie number three, which
19:42
Speaker 1: is definitely the most complex.
19:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:44
Speaker 1: The assisted suicide narrative.
19:46
Speaker 2: This is where the interrogation strategy really pays off.
19:48
Speaker 1: Right. Because the detectives are... offer her a psychological out.
19:51
Speaker 1: They suggest, hey, maybe you didn't kill her maliciously. Maybe
19:54
Speaker 1: she was sick and you just wanted to help her
19:55
Speaker 1: end her pain.
19:56
Speaker 2: This is a classic interrogation tactic. It's often associated with
20:00
Speaker 2: the read technique.
20:01
Speaker 1: How does that work?
20:02
Speaker 2: You offer the suspect a theme that minimizes the moral,
20:06
Speaker 2: though not the legal, culpability of the act. You give
20:08
Speaker 2: them a sympathetic reason for the crime.
20:10
Speaker 1: So they feel less like a monster.
20:12
Speaker 2: Exactly. Confessing to being an unwilling participant in a tragic
20:16
Speaker 2: mercy killing is far easier on the ego than confessing
20:20
Speaker 2: to cold-blooded murder for profit.
20:22
Speaker 1: And she takes the bait completely. Jesse admits she bought
20:26
Speaker 1: the six bottles of Azine and gave them to Lynn
20:29
Speaker 1: knowing Lynn wanted to die.
20:31
Speaker 2: She finally admits to providing the weapon. Yes.
20:34
Speaker 1: She claims she felt sick to her stomach about it,
20:36
Speaker 1: but did it because Lynn was in so much misery.
20:39
Speaker 1: And here's the wild part. She wasn't just telling this
20:41
Speaker 1: to the police.
20:42
Speaker 2: She was test driving the story on others.
20:44
Speaker 1: Exactly. Her ex-boyfriend, Scott Craig, he told investigators that Jesse
20:48
Speaker 1: used this exact same narrative on him, claiming she was
20:51
Speaker 1: doing some, quote, Dr. Kevorkian stuff.
20:54
Speaker 2: The Dr. Kevorkian framing is so revealing. It's an attempt
20:57
Speaker 2: to recast herself, not as a murderer. but as a savior.
21:00
Speaker 1: Right, a martyr almost.
21:02
Speaker 2: She is desperately trying to assert control over her legacy
21:05
Speaker 2: and how she's perceived.
21:06
Speaker 1: Even her jailhouse roommate, who was identified as Witness G
21:10
Speaker 1: at the Tashida Correctional Institution, she reported hearing this same
21:14
Speaker 1: assisted suicide confession.
21:16
Speaker 2: But her reaction to the failed polygraph is what truly
21:19
Speaker 2: highlights her mindset.
21:20
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes. When told she failed the polygraph,
21:24
Speaker 1: she just flat out says, I didn't fail it, I
21:26
Speaker 1: couldn't have, I'm not lying about it. Like, is she
21:28
Speaker 1: delusional at this point?
21:30
Speaker 2: It's a profound example of pathological preservation fueled by cognitive dissonance.
21:35
Speaker 1: Pathological preservation?
21:37
Speaker 2: Yes. Individuals who commit systematic, long-term fraud often possess an
21:43
Speaker 2: extraordinary ability to compartmentalize.
21:45
Speaker 1: They just box up the lies.
21:47
Speaker 2: They literally construct alternate realities to justify their actions. If
21:51
Speaker 2: she admits the polygraph caught her lying, her entire psychological
21:54
Speaker 2: scaffolding collapses.
21:55
Speaker 1: She can't handle the truth of what she is.
21:57
Speaker 2: No, she must maintain the fiction, even to herself, that
22:00
Speaker 2: she is the victim of a flawed machine or a misunderstanding.
22:03
Speaker 1: But the physical evidence completely destroys the assisted suicide narrative anyway.
22:08
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. If Jessie genuinely just wanted
22:11
Speaker 1: to help her sick friend out of pain, why stage
22:14
Speaker 1: the scene?
22:14
Speaker 2: Exactly. The staging betrays the real motive.
22:16
Speaker 1: Right. Why meticulously crush up a bunch of unrelated prescription pills,
22:21
Speaker 1: carry them over, and arrange them perfectly on her chest?
22:25
Speaker 1: If it was a mercy killing with Vizine, why not
22:28
Speaker 1: just leave the empty Vizine bottles on the nightstand next
22:31
Speaker 1: to the vodka glass?
22:32
Speaker 2: Because a genuine mercy killing, regardless of its legality, typically
22:36
Speaker 2: lacks deceptive theater.
22:38
Speaker 1: Deceptive theater, I like that.
22:39
Speaker 2: The crushed pills were designed exclusively to mislead investigators and
22:43
Speaker 2: hide the true cause of death. You only hide the
22:46
Speaker 2: weapon if you know the act was an unjustified murder.
22:49
Speaker 1: Boom. Which brings us to the actual motive. Because while
22:52
Speaker 1: the medical examiner was taking months to meticulously confirm the
22:55
Speaker 1: toxicology and officially rule it a homicide, financial investigators were
22:59
Speaker 1: quietly dissecting Lynn's estate.
23:01
Speaker 2: Following the money.
23:02
Speaker 1: Always follow the money. And what they uncovered was just staggering.
23:06
Speaker 1: We're looking at nearly $ 290, 000 in total fraud.
23:10
Speaker 2: It's a massive amount of money to disappear.
23:12
Speaker 1: Let's dig into how one even hides that kind of money.
23:15
Speaker 1: Over $ 130, 000 was fraudulently transferred just by checks alone.
23:19
Speaker 2: Paper checks.
23:20
Speaker 1: Yes. Between October 2014 and November 2018, 21 checks were
23:26
Speaker 1: written from Lynn's money market account, and 20 of those
23:29
Speaker 1: went directly to Jesse.
23:30
Speaker 2: 20 out of 21.
23:31
Speaker 1: Lynn's account went from a balance of $ 250, 000 down to
23:35
Speaker 1: exactly $ 87. I mean, how does a bank not flag
23:40
Speaker 1: 20 checks completely draining a senior's account?
23:43
Speaker 2: Well, elder financial exploitation operates precisely because it mimics authorized
23:47
Speaker 2: activity for a long time before the well finally runs dry.
23:50
Speaker 1: So it looks normal until it's too late.
23:53
Speaker 2: Exactly. If the manipulator controls the mail, intercepts the bank statements,
23:57
Speaker 2: and isolates the victim from their financial advisor, the victim
24:00
Speaker 2: never raises the alarm.
24:01
Speaker 1: Because they have no idea it's happening.
24:03
Speaker 2: Right. And from the bank's perspective, if the signature looks passable,
24:07
Speaker 2: and remember, Jesse had a documented history of forgery, and
24:10
Speaker 2: the checks are under certain automatic reporting thresholds, The system
24:13
Speaker 2: simply processes them.
24:15
Speaker 1: That is a huge flaw in the system. But the
24:17
Speaker 1: post-death spending is where the real audacity shows.
24:20
Speaker 2: The lack of a conscience is astounding.
24:22
Speaker 1: After Lynn dies, investigators track ATM withdrawals and card usage
24:27
Speaker 1: at the Potawatomi Bingo Casino, Scotty's Pub, and Stollis Palace.
24:31
Speaker 2: Not exactly places Lynn would frequent.
24:33
Speaker 1: No. These are places Lynn Hernan, an impeccably dressed, chronically
24:37
Speaker 1: ill woman who practically never left her condo, would never,
24:41
Speaker 1: ever set foot in.
24:43
Speaker 2: This introduces the concept of financial homicide.
24:45
Speaker 1: Okay, financial homicide. Tell me about that.
24:48
Speaker 2: In many of these cases, murder is not the initial goal.
24:51
Speaker 2: It is the inevitable, violent conclusion of the financial crime.
24:55
Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
24:55
Speaker 2: The perpetrator steals until there is nothing left. But the
24:59
Speaker 2: victim is still alive, and eventually a bounce check, a
25:02
Speaker 2: tax document, or a relative is going to expose the
25:04
Speaker 2: missing funds.
25:05
Speaker 1: So they run out of time.
25:06
Speaker 2: Exactly. The murder becomes a mechanism to silence the only
25:09
Speaker 2: witness and prevent the discovery of the fraud.
25:12
Speaker 1: That makes total sense. And there is one detail in
25:14
Speaker 1: this financial bleed that is just so profoundly bizarre I
25:17
Speaker 1: can barely wrap my head around it.
25:19
Speaker 2: The spa certificate?
25:20
Speaker 1: Yes. Jessie was using the stolen money to buy lavish gifts.
25:25
Speaker 1: She bought things for her ex-boyfriend, Scott Craig. She bought
25:28
Speaker 1: gifts for his children. And she even bought a $ 100
25:32
Speaker 1: spa certificate for Scott Craig's ex-wife.
25:34
Speaker 2: Using stolen money?
25:35
Speaker 1: Using Lynn's stolen money. She gave it to the ex-wife
25:38
Speaker 1: at Christmas and said it was, quote, from the kids.
25:41
Speaker 2: That detail is a deep dive into the psychology of
25:44
Speaker 2: the offender.
25:45
Speaker 1: It's just unhinged.
25:46
Speaker 2: Well, purchasing a spa day for your ex-boyfriend's ex-wife, using
25:51
Speaker 2: the drained life savings of a dying woman, isn't just
25:53
Speaker 2: about money. It is about the acquisition of social power.
25:56
Speaker 1: Social power? Yes.
25:57
Speaker 2: She is using stolen funds to construct an identity for
26:00
Speaker 2: herself as a benevolent, wealthy, magnanimous figure in her social circle.
26:05
Speaker 1: Wow. So she's playing rich.
26:06
Speaker 2: It is entirely counterfeit generosity funded by blood.
26:10
Speaker 1: That gives me chills. I mean, you, the listener, just
26:12
Speaker 1: picture this. Picture Lynn, exhausted, in pain, relying on Jesse
26:16
Speaker 1: just to stand up or walk to the bathroom. And
26:18
Speaker 1: in the very next room, Jesse is on her phone,
26:21
Speaker 1: forging signatures, draining Lynn's life savings to buy a spa
26:24
Speaker 1: day for a stranger.
26:25
Speaker 2: It's a terrifying violation of trust.
26:27
Speaker 1: It really is. Jesse wasn't just stealing money. She was
26:31
Speaker 1: stealing Lynn's safety net, her security, and ultimately her life.
26:35
Speaker 2: Because once the money was gone, Lynn's life had no
26:38
Speaker 2: value to her anymore.
26:39
Speaker 1: Right. And with the forensic evidence of the THZ, the
26:42
Speaker 1: physical physics of the staged scene, and the massive financial devastation,
26:47
Speaker 1: the case finally moves to a courtroom showdown.
26:49
Speaker 2: Though it took a long time to get there.
26:51
Speaker 1: It did. The wheels of justice turn incredibly slowly. It
26:55
Speaker 1: isn't until October 2023, five full years after Lynn's death,
27:00
Speaker 1: that the trial actually begins.
27:02
Speaker 2: And the courtroom strategy on both sides is fascinating.
27:05
Speaker 1: Let's break it down. Legally, the prosecution is required to
27:08
Speaker 1: prove intent, not motive, right.
27:10
Speaker 2: Correct. Under the law, they just have to prove Jesse
27:12
Speaker 2: intended to kill Lynn. But juries are human. They need
27:16
Speaker 2: the why. They need the narrative.
27:18
Speaker 1: So the prosecution gave it to them. Their narrative was
27:20
Speaker 1: brutally simple. Lynn Hunnan became worth more dead than alive
27:24
Speaker 1: to Jesse Kerchowski.
27:25
Speaker 2: It's a very compelling, easy to understand motive.
27:28
Speaker 1: They methodically walked the jury through the drained bank accounts,
27:31
Speaker 1: the casino trips, the shifting confessions. But the defense, you know,
27:36
Speaker 1: they fought back hard.
27:37
Speaker 2: They had to introduce reasonable doubt.
27:39
Speaker 1: Right. They argued Lynn was a generous spender who willingly
27:42
Speaker 1: gave Jesse the money because she loved her like a daughter.
27:45
Speaker 2: Which is a tough sell given the account balance was $ 87. Yeah,
27:49
Speaker 2: 87 bucks.
27:50
Speaker 1: And they stuck to the suicide narrative, claiming Lynn was
27:53
Speaker 1: miserable and took her own life. To support this, they
27:56
Speaker 1: brought in an expert toxicologist, Henry Spiller.
27:59
Speaker 2: Spiller's testimony was interesting.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, his testimony was designed to cast scientific doubt on
28:04
Speaker 1: the medical examiner's homicide ruling. Spiller pointed out a critical
28:09
Speaker 1: gap in the medical literature. He noted that there is
28:11
Speaker 1: virtually no FDA data on the oral ingestion of tetrahydrozoline.
28:16
Speaker 2: Which is entirely logical if you actually think about it.
28:19
Speaker 1: Right, because it's meant for your eyes.
28:21
Speaker 2: Exactly.
28:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:22
Speaker 2: The FDA requires clinical trials to establish pharmacokinetics, metabolization rates,
28:27
Speaker 2: and lethal thresholds for intended uses.
28:30
Speaker 1: Right, like how much Tylenol is safe. Yes.
28:33
Speaker 2: It is highly unethical. and frankly unnecessary under normal circumstances,
28:38
Speaker 2: to conduct clinical trials on what happens when humans drink
28:42
Speaker 2: massive quantities of eye drops.
28:44
Speaker 1: Because nobody in their right mind does that.
28:46
Speaker 2: Exactly. So, of course, there's a lack of clinical FDA data.
28:49
Speaker 1: So Spiller used math based on the stomach contents instead.
28:53
Speaker 1: He calculated that there was about 4.1 milliliters of Vazine
28:57
Speaker 1: left in Lynn's stomach, which is just under a standard teaspoon.
29:00
Speaker 2: A very small amount.
29:01
Speaker 1: Right. And he argued that without definitive FDA clinical studies,
29:05
Speaker 1: the medical examiner was overstepping by calling it a definitive
29:09
Speaker 1: homicide based on the chemical alone.
29:12
Speaker 2: It is a classic defense strategy.
29:13
Speaker 1: Really?
29:14
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. You leverage hyper-focused technical doubt against broader contextual truth.
29:19
Speaker 1: Oh, I get it. So you zoom way in so
29:21
Speaker 1: they can't see the big picture.
29:22
Speaker 2: Precisely. The defense wants the jury to look only at
29:25
Speaker 2: the gap in the FDA data and conclude there is
29:27
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. They want them staring at that 4.1 milliliters.
29:31
Speaker 1: Well, the prosecution wants the jury to look at the
29:33
Speaker 1: macro environment. Right.
29:35
Speaker 2: The missing $ 290, 000, the physically impossible staged pills on the chest.
29:40
Speaker 2: and the suspect's own mutating confessions.
29:43
Speaker 1: So put yourself in that jury box. How do you
29:45
Speaker 1: weigh a lack of clinical FDA data regarding a bizarre
29:49
Speaker 1: poison against the overwhelming, blinding, circumstantial reality of a staged
29:54
Speaker 1: crime scene and a drained bank account?
29:56
Speaker 2: Juries usually lean towards common sense.
29:58
Speaker 1: And they did. The jury didn't struggle for long at all.
30:01
Speaker 1: After three weeks of testimony and nearly 40 witnesses, they
30:05
Speaker 1: deliberated for just two days.
30:07
Speaker 2: That's very fast for a trial that long.
30:08
Speaker 1: On November 14, 2023, they returned their verdict. Guilty of
30:13
Speaker 1: first-degree intentional homicide and guilty on two counts of theft
30:16
Speaker 1: of movable property.
30:17
Speaker 2: Justice for Lynn, finally.
30:19
Speaker 1: Yes, finally. But there is a really heartbreaking postscript to
30:22
Speaker 1: this verdict involving Lynn's best friend, Jennifer Flower.
30:25
Speaker 2: Jesse's mother.
30:26
Speaker 1: Jesse's mother. Despite the mountain of financial records, the forensic
30:29
Speaker 1: breakdown of the stage scene, the toxicology reports, Jennifer Flower
30:34
Speaker 1: publicly stated that she still believes Lynn, her best friend,
30:36
Speaker 1: took her own life.
30:37
Speaker 2: She refuses to accept that her daughter is a murderer.
30:40
Speaker 1: I mean, how does a parent sit through a trial
30:42
Speaker 1: like that, see all that evidence, and still deny the reality?
30:46
Speaker 2: It's a profound manifestation of cognitive dissonance.
30:49
Speaker 1: It has to be.
30:50
Speaker 2: The psychological immune system is incredibly powerful. For Jennifer to
30:53
Speaker 2: accept the jury's verdict, She has to simultaneously process two
30:58
Speaker 2: world-shattering truths.
30:59
Speaker 1: Right.
31:00
Speaker 2: First, that her beloved best friend was brutally murdered. And second,
31:04
Speaker 2: that her own daughter, the child she raised, is the
31:06
Speaker 2: predator who orchestrated it.
31:08
Speaker 1: That's just too much.
31:09
Speaker 2: For some, the psyche simply cannot bear that weight. It
31:12
Speaker 2: is easier to cling to the impossible narrative of a
31:15
Speaker 2: chemically complex, elaborately staged suicide. than to confront the monstrous
31:20
Speaker 2: reality of one's own child.
31:22
Speaker 1: That's tragic on a whole other level. Which brings us
31:24
Speaker 1: to the sentencing on April 5, 2024. Judge Jennifer Dorough
31:29
Speaker 1: looked at the totality of this case, the betrayal, the money,
31:32
Speaker 1: the stage scene, and she delivered a highly calculated sentence.
31:36
Speaker 2: Judge Dorough was very intentional here. In Wisconsin, a life
31:40
Speaker 2: sentence comes with the possibility of extended supervision after 30 years.
31:43
Speaker 1: Oh, so she could have gotten out. Right.
31:46
Speaker 2: If Judge Dorough had simply given her life for the murder...
31:49
Speaker 2: Jessie would be eligible for release in her late 60s.
31:52
Speaker 1: But the judge mathematically structured the sentence using the theft charges,
31:56
Speaker 1: didn't she?
31:56
Speaker 2: She did.
31:57
Speaker 1: She gave Jessie maximum consecutive sentences for the financial crimes,
32:01
Speaker 1: stacking them right on top of the murder charge. The
32:04
Speaker 1: judge explicitly stated her goal was to ensure Jessie would
32:07
Speaker 1: not be eligible for release until she is around 80
32:10
Speaker 1: years old.
32:11
Speaker 2: It's judicial symmetry.
32:12
Speaker 1: Judicial symmetry. I like that.
32:14
Speaker 2: The judge quantified the years Jessie stole from Lynn Hernan's
32:17
Speaker 2: life and her retirement. and ensured that Jesse would spend
32:20
Speaker 2: those exact years locked in a cell at the Tichita
32:23
Speaker 2: Correctional Institution.
32:25
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate closure to a case built entirely
32:27
Speaker 1: on taking advantage of time and trust.
32:29
Speaker 2: It really is.
32:30
Speaker 1: As we step back from the courtroom, you know, the
32:32
Speaker 1: tragedy of Lynn Hernon is the tragedy of a woman
32:35
Speaker 1: who loved fiercely and trusted deeply, only to be betrayed
32:38
Speaker 1: by the person she viewed as family.
32:40
Speaker 2: And this case serves as a glaring warning sign.
32:43
Speaker 1: It does. Financial abuse of the vulnerable is rarely an
32:46
Speaker 1: isolated incident. It is often the quiet, invisible predecessor to
32:50
Speaker 1: physical harm. We all need to stay vigilant about the
32:53
Speaker 1: safety of the isolated, the elderly, or the chronically ill
32:56
Speaker 1: people in our own lives.
32:58
Speaker 2: We need to watch out for them.
32:59
Speaker 1: Because this deep dive into the toxicology, the forensic physics
33:02
Speaker 1: of those staged pills, and the mechanics of the drained
33:05
Speaker 1: bank accounts prove that this wasn't a tragic woman seeking
33:08
Speaker 1: an end to her pain. This was a calculated cold-blooded murder.
33:12
Speaker 2: And it leaves us with a final, deeply unsettling concept
33:16
Speaker 2: to consider.
33:17
Speaker 1: What's that?
33:18
Speaker 2: Petrahydroxylene is an untraceable anomaly unless a medical examiner has
33:23
Speaker 2: a specific reason to look for it.
33:25
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
33:25
Speaker 2: It forces you to wonder how many other sudden, seemingly
33:29
Speaker 2: natural deaths of sick or isolated individuals were actually perfect crimes.
33:34
Speaker 1: Crimes executed quietly with something as mundane as a bottle
33:37
Speaker 1: of eye drops sitting completely unnoticed on a nightstand.
33:40
Speaker 2: It's a terrifying thought.
33:42
Speaker 1: It really is. When the weapon is something you buy
33:44
Speaker 1: for five bucks at a pharmacy... and the killer is
33:47
Speaker 1: the person holding your hand, the truth is incredibly hard
33:50
Speaker 1: to find. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive, everyone.
33:54
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes open, and we'll see you next time.