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@wandapod Reviews: 'Reality Check: America's Next Top Model' · Wine & Audacity

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  Speaker 1: M hm.
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  Speaker 2: Hm.
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  Speaker 3: So, do y'all want to do a questions of the
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  Speaker 3: week first?
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  Speaker 4: Do y'all want to talk about this America's Next Time
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  Speaker 4: Model documentary?
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  Speaker 1: We need?
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  Speaker 5: Let's let's do this question that we get it out
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  Speaker 5: the way, because I got some things to get off
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  Speaker 5: my chest.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, you got that documentary, baby, because he just come outside.
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  Speaker 6: We ain't gonna do nothing to bring your big ass
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  Speaker 6: fore head ass outside that up, said her. And while yeah,
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  Speaker 6: bring bring, bring break braid, mister, mister, mister J.
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  Speaker 3: Mister what's his name, mister J?
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  Speaker 6: Bring him with you?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, bring him wich. I'm gonna make the maybe
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  Speaker 5: leing off his motherfucker face. Bring which.
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  Speaker 4: How about we do talk about the documentary first? We
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  Speaker 4: already started talking about it before we before we get
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  Speaker 4: into I'm gonna actually read this synopsis. So for those
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  Speaker 4: of y'all that have been living under rock for the
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  Speaker 4: past month. At the top of February, Netflix release documentary
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  Speaker 4: called The Night Agent is Back.
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  Speaker 5: That's my show. I know I'm watching and Cross came
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  Speaker 5: back on too, and to sit down and I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to start it in our k she getting interrupted.
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  Speaker 5: It's only it's three episodes.
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  Speaker 6: Up so far. I just turned the First World on
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  Speaker 6: and so Eldest halled and was like.
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  Speaker 3: Lusty ass.
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  Speaker 4: So Netflix released documentary at the top of February called
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  Speaker 4: Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model, and the synopsis
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  Speaker 4: reads Tyra and the judges reflect on the early vision
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  Speaker 4: and ambitions of an TM as the show became a
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  Speaker 4: cultural phenomenon. Drama builds up behind the scenes. The story
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  Speaker 4: details the show again, like we mentioned earlier, from our
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  Speaker 4: younger years, when we were in high school that started
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  Speaker 4: called America's Next No No. They started in old ANTM
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  Speaker 4: started in two thousand and seven, So yeah, we were
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  Speaker 4: in high school when ANTM started, in our junior year
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  Speaker 4: of high school when America's Next Time Model started, and
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  Speaker 4: it was revolutionary because it peeled muffing cap back blue
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  Speaker 4: on the modeling industry and gave would be miles a
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  Speaker 4: chance at realizing their.
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  Speaker 3: Dreams and goals.
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  Speaker 4: I think we all knew who Tyer Banks was, being
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  Speaker 4: millennials from seeing her as Jackie on Fresh Prince of
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  Speaker 4: bel Air. I think Life Side had come out on
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  Speaker 4: the Disney Channel at that point. She was a model
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  Speaker 4: that we had seen around and she had been on
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  Speaker 4: TV for years, but this is revolutionary because it was
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  Speaker 4: nothing like it on TV at the time. So I said,
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  Speaker 4: I think earlier this week, I watched all three episodes
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  Speaker 4: back to back. I'm glad it was only three episodes
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  Speaker 4: because I would have been up all night finishing all
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  Speaker 4: ten of them. But I do think the show deserved it.
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  Speaker 4: They could have done a much deeper dive on like
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  Speaker 4: season by season.
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  Speaker 2: You know they need to do a deeper dive, but
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  Speaker 2: twer don't need to be any part of it though.
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  Speaker 4: Well, from what I was seeing online, she initially wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a part of this document They added her in after
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  Speaker 4: the fact. That's what I was sold, Yeah, and get
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  Speaker 4: her top billing. But she wasn't initially a part of
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  Speaker 4: the documentary that the two J's, nijoined and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the contestants were. But she they added her on
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  Speaker 4: after the fact to get her perspective as co executive
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  Speaker 4: producer with Kim Mock and the creator of the series.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing the behind the scenes of a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: shit that happened on that show was wild, and I
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  Speaker 4: think agree a lot of the commentary I'm seeing online.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, people have to understand that no, while it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't absolve you from the wrongs you did to people
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  Speaker 4: looking at this through a twenty twenty six lens for
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  Speaker 4: a show that premiered on TV twenty three years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Of course people aren't going to have the same level
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  Speaker 4: of sensitivity. They're not going to consider things the same
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  Speaker 4: way that we do now. Like for example, with Shandy
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  Speaker 4: in season was it cycle two or cycle three? When
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  Speaker 4: they went to Milan and she was sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 5: Got drunk, She got drunk, and I had no recollection
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  Speaker 5: really of what happened next day. This is why I
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  Speaker 5: always say to people you should never get You have
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  Speaker 5: to know your limits to be able to protect yourself
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  Speaker 5: because you cannot depend on other people.
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  Speaker 6: To protect you.
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  Speaker 5: And and and there's in no way to victim blame
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  Speaker 5: anything like that. I'm sure a lot of people have
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  Speaker 5: gone beyond their limits and don't remember a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You have to know what your your your limit is
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to alcohol, because some people look to
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  Speaker 5: prey on people like that. And her her story was heartbreaking,
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  Speaker 5: It was, it was very heartbreaking, and it was there
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  Speaker 5: was just so nonchalant about it. That's the put that
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  Speaker 5: pissed me off. Just like, well, I mean, and then
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  Speaker 5: they tried to get her to keep talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: When she went on tier show after the time brought
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  Speaker 5: it up, and you saw she was uncomfortable when you
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  Speaker 5: kept fucking talking, you big forehead that it's bitch, so
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  Speaker 5: you kept asking her, you kept questioning. Now, don't give
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  Speaker 5: a fuck about that show. That's the problem. Now people
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  Speaker 5: cared so much about ratings and going viral and all.
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  Speaker 6: This shit like that, and that girl was clearly uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 6: So what happened? Did you break up with you?
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  Speaker 5: You saw how you can anybody with any kind of
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  Speaker 5: fucking empathy can look and see how uncomfortable that girl was.
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  Speaker 6: And they kept questioning.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing about that that they talked about, and
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was really Of course, when it aired,
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  Speaker 4: we just thought in our young brains, oh, she just
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  Speaker 4: got drunk a cheated on a boyfriend, right, But looking
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  Speaker 4: on it, looking back on it as thirty nine and
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  Speaker 4: forty year olds, was like, my nigger, that was sexual assault.
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  Speaker 6: It was she cannot give consent.
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  Speaker 3: She could be.
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  Speaker 4: To be quite honest, the guy could have been past
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  Speaker 4: his point of being able to consider because he was
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  Speaker 4: so fucking drunk. He was drunk too neither one of
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  Speaker 4: them could have been in a place where they were
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  Speaker 4: able to consent. But the fact that the cameras kept
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  Speaker 4: rolling while rolling, while it was happening, nobody from project
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  Speaker 4: production thought to step in and hey.
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  Speaker 6: Wait a minute, y'all intoxicated?
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  Speaker 2: Now that was that was that was the thing that
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  Speaker 2: I was then have fucked me up because j J,
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  Speaker 2: because she was like the rule, you know, their rule
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  Speaker 2: was if it was if you were in the bathroom solo,
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  Speaker 2: you would not be recorded. And then it's like now
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  Speaker 2: that took, you know, and it felt like the producers
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  Speaker 2: took that and ran with that, like, Yo, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you see two drunk ass people and it's like and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not and I'm and it's like, I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: off of you know when you know, when we've seen it,
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  Speaker 2: when we seen it when we were younger.
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  Speaker 1: She got drunk, Like, Yo, she got drunk. He drunk.
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  Speaker 1: She feeling it, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: They going in it at that point, Yo, Once they went,
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  Speaker 2: once they went, once they went past that, we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have known what.
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  Speaker 5: They shouldn't have been allowed to invite strangers to the
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  Speaker 5: fucking house in the first place. That should have been
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  Speaker 5: a rule that was in places I was talking. You
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  Speaker 5: know what that person was capable of doing. They could
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  Speaker 5: have been set y'all up, and it could have been
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  Speaker 5: a whole lot worse than what it was.
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  Speaker 6: You have no idea.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't know them, them niggas, They had just met them,
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  Speaker 5: and you allowed them to invite them over to the
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  Speaker 5: house just so you can get a moment on came.
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  Speaker 5: But that was fucking bananas.
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  Speaker 2: And then when she and then it's like the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she said she needed to call her boyfriend and.
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  Speaker 6: They the phone call.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying, like all of that, going through
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  Speaker 2: all of that until she until she said she was
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  Speaker 2: going to quit, like all that shit. And then it's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you're quitting, then you know how, we can give
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  Speaker 2: you the phone, but we need to refort We need
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  Speaker 2: to record that conversation.
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  Speaker 6: Because they were to see what she was gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, that ship Nah, they knew, you know, they they
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  Speaker 2: know they know that it was gonna be something different.
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  Speaker 4: And watching it back and see her body, she's physically
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  Speaker 4: laid out on the ground. You hear her sobbing and crying.
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  Speaker 4: He's sobbing and crying on the other end, and she's
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  Speaker 4: just laying in her body.
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  Speaker 3: Baby.
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  Speaker 6: He called you a whole.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, her body and all the stuff and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that Shandy literally said when they finished recording the scene,
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  Speaker 4: the camera member like, we are so sorry that we
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  Speaker 4: had to record that moment for the show. We're sorry
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  Speaker 4: that this happened to you, and we're sorry that we
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  Speaker 4: had to capture that happening to you.
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  Speaker 6: I would have walked out. That was That was the
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  Speaker 6: things that people do to to chase pain. It's it's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: The stuff that they felt like they had to deal
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  Speaker 5: with and put up with because they were pursuing their dreams.
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  Speaker 6: Was it was a lot.
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  Speaker 4: But doesn't that speak to reality TV as a whole,
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  Speaker 4: where that's how they get a lot of people who
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  Speaker 4: may be down and out, may not have other options
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  Speaker 4: or things to fall back on, so they will put
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  Speaker 4: up with things or undergo what a lot of us
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  Speaker 4: considered to be drastic about it.
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  Speaker 5: And look at the reality shows that we grew up
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  Speaker 5: on and the way that these people go on TV
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  Speaker 5: and humiliate themselves for a paycheck.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: To the Zeus.
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  Speaker 5: With With with Love and the Love and Hip Hop
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  Speaker 5: franchise With With Flavor of Love and for the Love
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  Speaker 5: of Ray J and Rock of Love and Real Chance
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  Speaker 5: of Love and I Love New York and all of
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  Speaker 5: those shows that were coming on for years. They literally
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  Speaker 5: get on TV and humiliate themselves. And we know how
• 9:08
  Speaker 5: editing is, so they edit something to make it look
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  Speaker 5: ten times words.
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  Speaker 3: It's already bad, that was reinforced, it's already.
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  Speaker 5: In bad, but they add it and take stuff out
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  Speaker 5: to make it look ten times even the Housewives franchised,
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, all of it to look ten times words.
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  Speaker 5: Married to medicine, I promise you I would never trust
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  Speaker 5: none of them bitches with my medical care. Doctor Heavily
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  Speaker 5: couldn't do nothing with my teeth, Doctor Simone couldn't be
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  Speaker 5: in my cooterie. Cat No I would I wouldn't trust.
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  Speaker 5: And hell especially doctor Jackie.
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  Speaker 6: How fat shaming ass fuck her?
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: Well wait, well, my hunger one of one of my
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  Speaker 2: hunger her old BG was doctor Jackie.
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  Speaker 5: When she doctor her, but after she got her her
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  Speaker 5: male nutrition looking ass on TV and what she can
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: talk about fat business, I'm talking about her skinny a
• 10:04
  Speaker 5: and and said that they made their comment about and
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: then tried to backtrack order they comment about black women
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  Speaker 5: being able to toleberate more pain or or over exaggerating
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: whatever the fuck she said and tried to say she
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: misspoke or reworded and wrong, whatever the fuck she said
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  Speaker 5: to her doctor Jack, Okay, I'll say this, I said
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  Speaker 5: what I said before before washing the documentary already had
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  Speaker 5: like I already had, I was, I was already like
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  Speaker 5: fuck tower same just about her spirit, her spirit, don't right, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: you know watching, you know, like watching watching YouTube videos
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  Speaker 5: talking about America's next time model, watching and then you
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  Speaker 5: know we're going back, and then it's like, yo, you
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  Speaker 5: had a platform to help uplifted, to help uplift up
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  Speaker 5: and coming models.
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  Speaker 1: The first cycle. Okay, we saw it and it was good,
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  Speaker 1: like it was. It was good.
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  Speaker 3: And didn't know what.
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  Speaker 4: They were getting into because it was a brain new show.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: So there was no way for I would even say
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: the first maybe two or first two or three seasons,
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  Speaker 4: those early seasons of the show, the girls didn't know
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  Speaker 4: what they were getting into. They may not have known
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  Speaker 4: or had enough backstory to know, Hey, they gonna put
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: you through some ship. You gotta undergo medical procedures on
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: the show, Like remember Johnny got out the teeth that
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: with Danny, they got her, they closed her gap, or
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: they filed her teeth down and put in a prosthetic
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: thing that close her gap.
• 11:25
  Speaker 6: Other girl they.
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  Speaker 5: Teach took her teeth out of her mouth and did
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: something to her like that was a lie. So that
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: girl didn't want to close her game.
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: And she said Johnny said that she was eighteen, but
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: she didn't have a chance to talk to her mother
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: to seek legal counsel. Like they put they put like
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: a release in her face that she had to sign
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  Speaker 4: on the spot, and then they put her infidental care.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, my favorite one because she was giving it at
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  Speaker 6: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Mean that ship, Yeah, that was my whole. I mean,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: but that was my whole. That's my whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, Yo, you had this platform and then I
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  Speaker 2: just felt like you're you're trying. It's like you're trying
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: to put them through the ship that you went through,
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: and and it's like, yo, then it don't have to
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like you you're putting like
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: the one the one little the one little bit you
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: almost had hypothermia, like shiver, you're putting them the people,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: and then you started treating like it's fair factor because
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: you asked them how they you know, I think I
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: remember one cycle she was it was like people like
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: they were taking you did you did a photo shoot
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  Speaker 2: about other people fizz and these people are like definitely
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: scared of spiders and shipp and it's.
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  Speaker 7: Like that.
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  Speaker 5: Picture listen him even motherfucking picked for Marcel uh Sterling
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  Speaker 5: whatever is these days, Maybe.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe listen.
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  Speaker 3: That picture.
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  Speaker 5: That's easily the top one thing you can never take
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  Speaker 5: from her face called face car.
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  Speaker 6: They never declined, honey, I would.
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  Speaker 4: Saying it's that picture that even with the with the tarantula,
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  Speaker 4: your had the picture with that, but the motorcycle helmet
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  Speaker 4: on if you remember that from cycle two mm hmm,
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  Speaker 4: she was the white model. She had like a motorcycle
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  Speaker 4: helmet on. That's one of the top five photos. I
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: would say Kenya's photo.
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  Speaker 6: They ain't said they was picking bad photos of them
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  Speaker 6: on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was my but that's also that's also
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  Speaker 2: my That was also my problems after watching documentary was
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: still fuck Tarborough because these girls like these girls, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't like yo.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't take any accountability for the ship none.
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  Speaker 2: And then note in j and then in j Man
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  Speaker 2: you well you saw then then it's like, yo, you've
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: seen where he was out of it, like visically like
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: yo in and now when you now when you when
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: you look back on it, when they did when they
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: did the when they did the race swap, when they
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: did the race swap, and they was they was making
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  Speaker 2: you know, they made they was putting giving the white
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  Speaker 2: girls black face and ship and it's like, yo, he
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It was like he wasn't feeling it. And then you notice.
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  Speaker 2: That the second time that she did it, Tyra Banks
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you know it was was in charge
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  Speaker 2: of you know, like put it out there to make
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  Speaker 2: it feel, you know, to make it feel some kind
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  Speaker 2: of way. And then it's like, you know then for
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: her to say, I was just trying to put you know,
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  Speaker 2: put put the emphasis on more on the black and.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Brown people say nah, no, no, like yo, you were wrong.
• 14:17
  Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, it was you.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: You were wrong, and you were you were but little
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  Speaker 2: in these girls. You were purposely putting them through the ringer.
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  Speaker 2: And then Janice didn't make it no different, like making
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  Speaker 2: any better.
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  Speaker 5: And I can't stand at a cool cool I've never
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: liked Janie Dickerson. I've not didn't like her then, I
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: don't like her now. She is a horrible fucking person.
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  Speaker 4: I will say, looking at it from because there are
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: some some contestants from the show who to this day
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: showered Tower but nothing but praise. I think he was
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: one of them. Who else see but see Eva got
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: a career to car to an extent. And it was
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: even crazy watch to Carra come on and how they
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: were talking about how she's so fat and she they
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: don't have clothes that fit herr.
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  Speaker 5: And the other girl what was the white girl name
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  Speaker 5: that was so considered plus.
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  Speaker 3: Whitney one second.
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  Speaker 4: I watched Whitney season and actually followed Whitney on TikTok
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: after the I.
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  Speaker 5: Was shocked by that because they kept emphasizing her weight.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: I said, well, if she fed, I'm my mother fucking
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  Speaker 5: sham mo. If she considered fat.
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  Speaker 6: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: And but the fact was they tried to They emphasized
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: them by saying, well, we don't have clothes that fit
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: y'all know y'all could have got closed to fit. Figure
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: it out here. She was a bigger when when we
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: have to they stitch it or like clamp it in
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  Speaker 4: the back. But you got your home. The thing was,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: and I've seen pictures of Takara. To Cara is maybe
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I think at the time of the size ten besides eight,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: size ten.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: She just had big boobs.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes she did.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: Fine, still fine, still fine.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: I think correct me if I'm wrong, y'all, and not
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: too pair. But I think to Carra is smaller than
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Meghan is Stallion Now it's I think even back then,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: or they might have been like no matter, they might
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: have similar bills, but Meghan is all like.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeh, Meghan ship like a w a superstar.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Is just with more ass.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love anyways. Sorry, Clay, don't talk basketball in
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: him later.
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: We all know we've been lusting for Yes, but Tokara
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: was If you look at pictures of.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Takara, Tokara was small.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Standards in the real world or regular world, are a
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: lot more loose and less stretched than the moderling world
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: because they want models to fit into sample sizes, which
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: is a two.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: The real world sample sizes don't fit most people. Jordan,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: ain't no sign. Most people ain't no zero or two
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: zero or double zo.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: No.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: No, that's not that most people were not that signs
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: You're not being inclusively on doing it purposely.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: And that's what pisses me off.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You're hiding behind, hide behind the guys of were emphasizing
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: and plus size models because the model world, the modeling
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the world doesn't acknowledge them.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: Boo tomatoes.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know, but then the then then
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the other thing that was fucking with me about it
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: is that the ones that got eliminated they couldn't use
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: their they couldn't they couldn't use their.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: And it's like that was crazy.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least American Idol, you know, they're signed,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: they signed the top five to their little to their
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: little record label, and.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: People actually came up with actual records that went the
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: distance compared to a Jennifer.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Think about it, Rubens studied one American item, but Clay
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: still blew up.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if I'm not taken, clay Ship sold more than
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Rubens did.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Well, Clay Clay got Clay got more support than than
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: than than the black Man bro Like Clay Clay and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Clay and Clayton and led Bodie bro.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: They like they're gonna support you.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Everywhere he anyway he performed, and they they're right that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: in the first fifteen rows and sold out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Was he out back then? I don't think.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: I don't think he came afterwards.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: But that came out. He came out afterwards. Same with
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: let Lance Joey Thomas like Joy was like, we knew.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, we ain't say nothing, but we all knew.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: We know.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Have y'all seen a quick aside? Have y'all it's supposed
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: to quarter around on social media. It's supposed to Ricky
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Martin from back doing his living Levita. Looka days he's
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: performing on stage. All you see hips moving, he's performing
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: the song and a girl I think she's gen Z
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: was like, how did y'all not know that man was gay?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Because I'm watching this and clearly we knew.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: We know, we knew, We just didn't say anything. We
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: don't care. It's like it's like Luther, Yeah, we know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and the TEETHA.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I Queen Latifa, she was her wife and I was
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: ahead quality for.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: This. This is this is a day laying on Staying podcast.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, we love us.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: In these parts.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want no smoke, won't want yeah, I won't
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: want her to pull out that car.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: But motorcycle t why honey, we love us some day around.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And take the helmet up. She take the helmet off
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and the clear brads. It's like, yeah, my bad, bro,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you got that playing queen?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: The problem says.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: No, But to go back to America's Next Top Model,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I think going off of the perspective of a lot
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: of the girls who praised Tyra, and I think by
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the time Whennie Harlow came out, I had long stopped
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: watching America's Next Time Model by then, but they were
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: saying that Tyra did, in fact prepare them for what
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: they would experience in the actual modeling industry, from the
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: way that they've spoken to or about on the show
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: about their bodies, the way the things that they could
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: expect from casting directors and other models and agents and
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: people in the room.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: And it was crazy to.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: See how Danny, Danny Evans or she went by her
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: full name Danielle, she was like she was out around
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the same time as Shanel Lamont and they were in
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: like a model models apartment, and Chanelle had to ask
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: why Danny wasn't getting bookings and how she would come
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: home with a silence for everybody else, but Danny would
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: be singled out as a person on the side, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, you know she did she she we
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: gotta treat her differently because she came from reality television.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of like, it's a catch twenty two
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: because you're damned if you do, and you dan if
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: you don't. Because if you use the show for a
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: platform to get exposure, to be presented to these modeling
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: agencies and companies and brands and everything, but once you
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: get to get there or you win the title America's
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Next Top Model, they still don't want to fuck with
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: you because you didn't.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Come through it was through the traditional shows.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Because you were on a TV show, but without the
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: TV show. Especially if you come from like with Danny's
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: from Little Rock, Arkansas, you're from some town in North Dakota.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I think Shandy is from Fargo, North Dakota or Bismarck. McKee,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Well McKee is from Brittany McKee. Sullivan is from Chicago.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: But if you're from some town in North Dakota or
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: out in Idaho, out in the sticks, who checking for
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: you working at Walgreens? Like, it's a catch twenty two
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: and I see it. But it was wild watching just
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: to see what a lot of those girls went through
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and I'm glad that we were able to see a
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: lot of the girls that you know that were our age,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: you know when they were on the show, and they're
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: older now and they have more perspective. It was I
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: was happy I got to see Shandy, you know, even
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: though recounting her story but seemed a bit traumatic. Hopefully,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I hope she was able to find some peace with it,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: you know now twenty years later, because it's one thing
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: to have to live that, right, but to have to
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: live that on national telepor international television and have your
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: story replay out repeatedly, and have you.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Asked questions to judge people judge you and think you
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: call New York kinds of sluts, and this, this and this.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Everybody makes, everybody fucks up, everybody makes mistakes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: The end of the end is the end of the era.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: The the end game for it is to learn from
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: it and do things different.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: She was eighteen, nineteen years.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Old, she was inexperienced, bro inexperienced. People who should have
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: been there to protect her did not protect her.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: And a lot of.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Girls come from it, came from back, and they talk
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: about on the show a lot of these girls come
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: from back fronts where they don't have supported family or
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: they they like I mentioned earlier, they come from families
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: they man have money, and they struggling to make ends meet,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and they are using this as a launching pad into
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: a potential career which didn't honestly materialize for the vast.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Majority of them.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, I will say this.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: I want I wanted to work.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: At Walgreens after the face Shandy went back. Sandy went
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: back to walk was back at walk Green. Somebody, hey,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: when you want TV, you know, like it's it's a lot.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I think even somebody mentioned at least what I was
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: reading in the comments because I felt like I said,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I follow Whitney, who was a Cycle ten winner jazz
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Lene one Season nine, Cycle nine Whitney Thomas was the
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: first plus sized girl that wanted Cycle ten.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Somebody because I wanted the other Whitney to I want
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the black Whitney to win.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Black Whitney.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, wait, I think that was I think it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: was like she was she was also plus sized model.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Cycle do you remember.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was the same one that Whitney. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: think it was two Whitneys. It was like a black Whitney,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: then a white Whitney, and she had and she had
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: they had changed their names and whatever girls the same name. Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and she was like she wanted to be with Teal And.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I'm mmm, I'm grateful that a lot of those girls
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: have some simbilas of a voice and are able to
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: call Tyra out for what happened to them and have found.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Careers moved the colors. Yeah, I.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Would have loved to have seen Takara on the documentary.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I would have loved to have seen jazz Leen was
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Iis on the documentary. No, I would have loved to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: have seen Ices as the first trans woman on that
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: platform on national television. Yeah, like to see her experiences
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: as a trans woman going through the contest and then
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: her life and story of what happened afterwards.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think I think if I think if this
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: gets enough, it gets enough traction, then they will they
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: will dive deeper because you also, I mean, I also
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: want to see that inside of on the other side
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of you know, when they when they stopped they stopped
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: doing just the girls and they started doing like like
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: both you know, both men and women.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And that was in like later cycles.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like at the end of the day though, but
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it's still just like I understand that some people that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: felt like they you know, that Tower did allowed for them,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: but I but I also believe that she also had
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: her picks with with certain with the cycle, with the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: cycle winners, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: And this is it's still so it's still number one
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: in TV shows this show. So the documentary came out
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: either the top of this week or late last week,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: and it's still number one. And TV shows on Netflix
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: today this Saturday.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Joe Joe Tyler Perry's new movie of Number one, because
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: that was number one and that just came out last week.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: They came out back to back. Yeah, and that was
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: number one for yeah until they came out.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Sure was the state number winning movie. That was
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: funny ship.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So let's go, let's go deeper into this conversation. What
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: do y'all think we of course, as we get older,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: our bodies change the things we look at and things
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: we consume. You know, we don't have eighteen twenty five
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: year old metabolisms anymore. In terms of you personally, how
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: has your body changing as you've gotten older affected you
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: or what have you noticed about yourself physically changing as
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: you've gotten older. That's kind of like giving you pause
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: or made you feel away or or something like that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: And fused with my confidence really.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Because I was small for so many years, and even
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: if I had tray, I did put some weight on,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: but not as much. This as the biggest I've ever been,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: and it's mainly in my stuff, Like I see. That's
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: why I'm like taking pictures because I'd be like, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: look my face, my face so fag.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: I got like five chins. I hate it. I'm over exaggerating,
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: But that's just the biggest of You've known me all
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: my life.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I was always small. To put on all that weight
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: has been an issue for me. I know that it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: gonna take self discipline to use the weight. But the
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: worst part, I really just hate the most of my
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: stomach and stuff like I hate because I feel like
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I don't I want to wear certain things and don't
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: look right on me, and I don't want to be
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: over here.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: They got like a bust can and a biscuits.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: He about to say something stupid. I'm not even look.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: At he's gonna say something, so I'm not. I'm confident
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: because you ain't one thing you ain't going. I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: care how fat I am, bitch, I'm cute, so I
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: don't care. But that shout out here looking crazy because
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I see people sometimes like that, what was she put on?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: But you can wear it but still realize that it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: a trigger or it's something that you noticed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: About it, Like I love and stuff that I just
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: recently put a wrong po one I think when I
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: went on vacation a couple of years ago.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: But the way it was made, I felt okay in.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: It because it was kind of flared a little bit.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: But I put on one one day and I felt
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: like I looked like the music next. But that's how
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: I felt, And nothing nobody could have said to me
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: would have made me feel better. Nobody could be like, no, girl,
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: you look fine. No, no, I'm looking at me right
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: and I don't like what I see. So that's my
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: my issue.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Was Top Model or at that time when it first
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: started airing, did people did the appearance or the way
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: that they talked to those girls, like did the meat
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: make it?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Make it? A broader question?
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Did how did media affect you growing up in terms
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: of like your body and seeing stuff the way that
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: those girls were treated on the show, talking about their fat,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and these girls are size fours and sixes and eight.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: So how did media affect you and your self perception growing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: When the chauffeurs specifically speaking on top of my when
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: that show first came out, I was I was smaller.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: I had just started putting on weight. So we were
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: in junior year.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: I had just put on some weight that because I
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: was working in fast food and I was.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Donald's hips, so I did.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I finally had a little bit of a booty and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I gained some weight. I always had boobs.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: That was the one thing. I was small, but I
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: had boobs, had the like middle school but saying.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But about freshman year bullshit, I.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Had what you call.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Bro that was our other friend. She didn't get no
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: TV said she and her baby. She went from us
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: like an almost beat up to like a triple D
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: after she had her baby.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I always had boobs. I just went from a heavy
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: seed to a D after I had trade. But what
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I'm saying is seeing just before the BBO craze started.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, right, So but I wanted to have the
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: flat stomach and I never had hips.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: I've never had hips.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: I had a little bit of a booty, and but
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I had a flat of stomach and I had boob.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: So as I got older, especially after I had Tray,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: and I started seeing the girls with the nice little
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: butts and the small waists and the hips and the
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: flat stomachs and stuff that did affect me. I can
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: admit to that. I was like, damn, I'm gonna be
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: shipping that ship to this day, babe. If I could
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: be shaped like Niece.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: And Ash or or Meg the staf or what what.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I don't want to be shaped like Cardy Carty got
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: too much booty, It's too much, too much heads, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I would want to be shaped like that because I
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: want to wave with the funk I want to wear.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: But sometimes I want to tell you, y'all go on
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: vacation and I'll give a fuck. The people don't know me,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: so I bet on what the fun? I want to
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: put on baby head on two pieces my entire last
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: time I've been on vacation and everything all had was
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: a damn.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Two piece and oh the short man. It's loving though.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: What about you, Aaron? We don't focus.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: The focus is a lot on women, but as men
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: growing up, like we also had you know, we could
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: have had body image issues and from seeing guys with
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: muscles and you have athletes who atoned and they can run,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: and you know how they media affect your self perception
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and your your body image ground.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I mean it didn't.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It didn't honestly because for me, like y'all New York mind,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: middle school, I was, I was a fat like I was,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I was chunky then then you know, like freshman year
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was still you know, I was, I was, I was bigger,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, I accepted it, like I accepted it
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: for what it was. And I knew that if I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: wanted a six pack like them niggas, I got, I
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: gotta get my big ass down to start doing some
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: sit ups and some.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Ship And you though, because you got taller, right, yeah,
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: that helped fifth grade.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was taller than me at one point.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the crazy. Yeah. But I will say when.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You know, when I when I was in California for
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: like that six months and like I lost like one
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds real, yeah, and nigga, y'all like that's what
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: showed you. I was like, damn, And I was like, yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I look sick, just like niggas like, yo, you good
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: like you sure, But then it's like, but that was
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because I couldn't get it, you know, I couldn't get
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a job, so pretty much I was in the gym
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: all too. Like, yeah, we was in the gym and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: then walking up and down Calabasas all day. So it
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: was one of them situations like I do like thirty
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: minutes thirty minutes of cardio. Then the rest of it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: would be like strumth training and then we walk in
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: and because you walking in California heat, that dry ass
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't meant you know, niggas just sweating their asses off.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yo, I'm shedding, like I'm shedding like motherfucker.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But I didn't like, I ain't like myself when I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was that ue because you were too small. Yeah, I
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: felt I felt like I was too small. So then
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you know, started eating again. It's like, yeah, I met,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I'm at the right way. I need to be right
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: here because I mean, yeah, like I said, when you
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: see the niggas, you know, you see the niggas out
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: here like changing their dice and everything, and you see
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: them with the muscles, You'll.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Be like yeah, Yo, that looks good. Ship.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: I could do something like that is too much, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: then you'd be like, you know, y'all just thought should
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: know that you think something.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: It's a certain things too much. Yeah, it looks scary.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm willing, like you know, wanting to change
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: my diet changed and like change the routine and all that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: But then at the same time.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: It's like, yo, just creeping me out.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I would do it just to see it looks like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: they're just about to bust through their skin itches, you
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I would do it, just
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that's niggas don't do legs.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Looks plumping yours.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: I can't do it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I understand what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: It's like I would like I would do it, like
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I do it, just
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: say if I can, you know, just say if I
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: can do it. But then at the same time, it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: like maintaining that ship. I'm like, boy, that's the motherfucking work.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And it's like everything and it's like now I'm cool,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Like you know, as long as I'm healthy, you know
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like I still I still walk everywhere,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like I walk everywhere, and even you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and even even when I had the car, like I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like if I would walk like I I walk, like
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: when we was living we was living in the Art District.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You feel me like I walked straight down and go
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: get go, get keat the medicine to come right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Back up.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Because I like walking walking is fun.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah like that, Like, yeah, I said, I haven't walked.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: It's been honestly since twenty twenty six, I haven't really been.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: There was a period where I was doing ten thousand steps. Today,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I feel like a whole spring summer into the fall
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: till it got cold and the time.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Remember that never went back. I lost my weight. Was
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: like but it it that was I enjoyed.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: It because you're outside, you getting the breeze, disconnect from
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: the ship, stressing you out. You just out walking around here,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: you know, haveing a little sweat bag and my sunscreen on,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: had hat, you know, sunglasses.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I was cool. I loved it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, once I get distracted
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and stopped going, I just don't ever.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Go and walk with key and kankin sometimes. But it's
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: it's a it's a mind of a mad thing when
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: it comes to weight loss and stuff, because like he
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: did a really good job. He kept saying she needed
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: to lose weight, and I was like, well, no, you don't.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: But she didn't lose too much and she did.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I say, what did you do?
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And she started fasting so she only eat between the
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: certain time and a certain time, and she drank a lot
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: of water.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: She always drank a lot of water.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: She started walking and stuff like that, and she been
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: doing good. She been maintaining it, maintaining, not continuing to
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: lose weight. But now she's in the stage of maintaining
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: where she got to. So if I can discipline myself,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: I'm sure I can do it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: It's just a I.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Just be talking myself out. I'm I'm ying go in
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: here and change my clothes and I'm gonna go walk
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: and then I sit down and then I'll be like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: oh no, but I gotta fix dinner, all right, But
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: then I gotta eat, so because I can't go walk
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: and then come in here and eat, and then I
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: gotta do I try get them all like so I
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: talked myself out up but a lot, that's what it is.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: But if I can get this stomach to go down
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: because I hate weighing spanks and stuff. They are annoying,
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: especially it's time outside. I don't want to put the
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: spanks on and I don't No, it's not okay for
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: me to walk around my COOCHI hang down to my stomach.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: I don't like the way it looks like.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, ye coach, you hang it down to your stomach.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: It it don't look good.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And I see it all the time around I got you, like.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: You said, I'm hanging out and I'm sorry. I know
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: what I'm met, but I just see people.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie. I was about to call you roast.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I had to catch myself because.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: But yeah, if I stop like I mean all the time,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: I was like, but I'm just some people just don't care.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you. I'll tell you the flip side
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of that, though. Now the flip side is being us
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: been on the outside, and for years I keep telling
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: y'all I would want y'all. You know, one day wish
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: y'all could see y'allself the way I see y'all.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: He go getting all deep and ship at philosophical No,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: but no, but I wish I could see don't see
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: y'all the way I see.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I mean y'all always you know y'all,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like I ain't gonna think nothing wrong with y'all. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: feel me, and I mean that's just that's just me
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: being like me being honest, and it's like, you know you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Want to do it, like I support you.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: I even like, like old me, you used to be
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: able to say stuff like that about and it would
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: hurt my feelings, talk about my way or call me
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: ugly or something like that.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: Now I'm like, bitch thang, okay.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I mean saying, you can't call my fuck ugly, just
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: my fucker got bodies on them, like you know what
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Like if you you know what I'm saying, Like I
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: know a lot of butter faces and that's okay.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: So I mean, well, so I mean you can't. You
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: can't hurt my feelings. You can't talk.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, but that's not what.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I love it why I love me as a person.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: But it's how I feel about myself of course that's
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: all that. But yeah, the stuff like that really used
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: to effect me. Still looking at TV and like damn,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I wish I could wear something like that. Damn, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: wish I could put that ship on. Damn I would
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: for it. I tell people, I said, baby, if I
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: was shaped like me, if I was shaped like I
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: never had no clothes on.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I promise you who would if you work for a
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: body that have your body like? My perspective growing up
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: was is a bit different than Aaron's. I didn't really
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: notice anything rewind my body image. Well I wouldn't even
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: say issues, but the concerns are running. My body image
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: really weren't a thing for me until I got to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: high school. I was always a bigger kid. I was
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: wearing husky clothes growing up. I was, you know, always
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: bigger than everybody. A big and tours section I I
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: was husky. Wasn't no big and tall a bus then
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: it was just husky by school uniforms from the husky section. Husky,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I'm sure one of the I think the big things
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I noticed. And I was living in Chicago at this point.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: I actually I played football in high school freshman year,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: junior year, and sophomore year, and I swim with my
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: high schools freshman year and junior year. We were gone
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: before my junior year season started. We moved back to
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Baltimore in October two thousand and three. But I also
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: swam at the same time. When I was playing football,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I swam on like the local intramural team as well.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: So I would literally go to school all day, go
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to football practice, then literally leave football practice, go to
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: the other locker room, change out all my past put
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: a swim swim swimming trunks on, and then go swim
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: for a number two hours. There was a point in
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: high school where I started noticing that I was different
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: from a lot of the guys on the team because
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: when I was the only.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Black person on the team.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: But now so not only that, I was also the
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: biggest person on the team, because again I've always been
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: bigger than everybody else, and not just terms of like
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: physical stature, because of course I broad shoulders. I joke
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: about being shipped like a refrigerator now, but I was
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: just bigger than everybody.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: It is that everybody ain't meant to be the same.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: It is, but it plays. It played a number on
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: my side on me mentally, because it's like, okay, it's
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: comparison is the thief joy and you get that nail
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: at thirty nine and forty years old. But at fourteen
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: fifteen years old, when you're surroundered by a whole bunch
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: of guys were swimmers body types, and you are bigger
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: than everybody. You're doing the same workouts as then, but
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: you're not losing weight or your body just doesn't react
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the same way as does. I'll be honest, never mentioned
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: this to y'all. I starve myself for like a month when.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I was in high school.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Oh wow.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: I would eat at lunch and wouldn't be anything else
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: the rest of the day. I would go through all
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: my workouts, would go through everything, and I start myself
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: for a month. And it actually got to a point
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: where my mother would work. I think she was working
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: like three or eleven at this point. So by the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: time I came up from school, she was at work
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: already and she wouldn't get home until after I was
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: already in bed.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: For the night. And I remember, so it was easy
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: for you to hide.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: It, Yeah, but not as easy as I thought, because
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: she would buy groceries for the house. And I remember
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: one day she came up she I think she had
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: like a day off work because she had like a
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: doctor's appointment or something. But she came home from work
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: and she realized the food in the fridge hadn't been
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: touched and she looked. She never asked me what was
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: going on, but she said, you need to eat something.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: She looked at me, stopped me from what I was doing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: She said, Brandon, you need to eat something. And I
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: was like, I'm eating. She was like, you need to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: eat something. But I think the catch for me was
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: after about three or four weeks of doing that, I said,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: fuck this, I'm hungry and I'm gonna back to eating
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: and never had an issue with it again. But for me,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: the issue comes in not necessarily with yo yo dieting,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: but it's like the big push to do workouts and
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: do and push myself crazy, and then I stopped for months,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: and it's like weight game. It goes up, it goes down,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: it goes up, it goes down, it goes up, it
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: goes down. When I was twenty three, some before I
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: went to Germany, I was in college and I was
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: doing more in the workouts before class. I think my
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: first class that semester started at noon. I had the
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: entire morning to go to the gym. I would go
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: to the gym, get up, go to the gym, come
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: back on, shower, change eating, then go to class. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: was doing an hour and a half cardio five days
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: a week. I would do our weight training. I lost
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: in three months time. I think I might have lost
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: seventy or eighty pounds.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Mm hm oh yeah, that's what I mean. That's what
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was like and I.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Get that, but it's not It wasn't sustainable.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but yeah, that's what that's what I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was saying about. It's like, Yo, I like, I can
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: do it, but it's the prob The issue is. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: mean I could probably like I can do it, but
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: it's the issue of like you said, it's like, yo,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: we're gonna push push, push, push push. Did you get
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the then you get the result? You all reclined, is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: have of that mountain?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Now I sit back down and.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: There you slowly but surely putting weight on again. It's
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: like it's a never end the cycle. The biggest struggle
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: for me throughout my life is doing something that is sustainable,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: that I can sustain for a long period of time.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: For me, it was, honestly at that point it was
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: walking because walking is low effort.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I literally I wasn't jogging.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a point where I started doing
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: that couch the five k where it was like you're
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: doing walk when so you walk most of the time,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: then you run for a minute or ninety seconds, and
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: you stop, you walk for two minutes. I would do
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and that's you know, it wasn't too
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: too bad. But my thing is getting back to a
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: point where I can do workouts that are sustainable. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: can do workouts that don't take a lot of effort.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: And like Seana you mentioned, I taught myself out of
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: doing shit all the fucking time. Once I get home,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: when I get comfort, and I think for me, COVID
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: fucked this up for me getting we would up here
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: when we at COVID lockdowns, and all we could do
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: is walk.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I wasn't moving to the gym. I literally sat around
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and gain weight too.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: And I was learning how to cook new shit, no
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: stuff like that, like hey yo yo yo, y'all want
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: a girl.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I can say. My saving yeah, you want to g grow,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you want to grow. I can't say that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: My saving grace is the fact that with me having
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: mail prep now for close to fourteen years, I've learned
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: how to cook and make things, and I basically because
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I'm I call it measured laziness. I don't I rarely
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: order stuff from deal Dash. I don't eat out a lot,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: really just on weekends. I still eat healthily.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: There was another one of my problems.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I just don't move. I just don't move enough.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I'd be tired, especially when I was in school and stuff.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I come home, I didn't study, I didn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: have to do this. Pain I do this I wasn't.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I wasn't doing in the week, I was not doing this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: But I would try to make stuff one day that
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: it lasts a couple of days, or some days I'm like, yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: I want that no more, so I'll grab something on
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: the way home from work.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: It just became too much. So that's my issue. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: think if I could really just discipline myself change my eating habits,
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: I'll be fine. Overall.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I'm healthy. I've been, you know, been to the doctor.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: My prescious has gotten better. And you know, I'm not
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: subsceptible to I don't have diabetes.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Or anything like that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: My cholesterol was a little high, but you know, I'm
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: due for it I do for a physical and April.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: But also for me year in despite of how my
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: weight is going up in there three years, I've always
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: been healthy. I've never had high blood pressure issues, never
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: had cholesterol issues. I've never had so have them. But
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: you know mine probably got something to do with the
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: New boys.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Right, and also the blood your birth control.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they swapped you and they swapped, but they I
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: swapped it out. They put me on something else right though.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: But for me, in spite of my weight fluctuating throughout
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the years, I thankfully you have never had health issues,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: No blood pressure issues, cholesterol issues, no like diabetes, free diabetes,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: know anything, because I guess I eat so well. Even
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: when I went to the doctor for my physical this
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: past I told but my doctor was like, well, Brandon,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: you know your labs they look good. Ain't nothing you stable?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: He said, If you want to start eat baking and
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: eggs every day, he said, you should go for it,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: because are so fine. You fall with the rain for
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: everything I have for so many years. He said, if
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: you want to eat baking eggs every day, going ahead,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, like.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Then next time I come back, then you can tell
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: me my shiit how because I mean, sir.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I think, but I do. But to take it I mean,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: but to take it back to the terrorbank. Shit I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: did before like before watching I did, I felt, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: felt like, yo, you you had a platform to help
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: these girls and you you we just watched you break
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: these women and younger like younger us we we we
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: just looked at it like yo, I mean we didn't
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: look at We wasn't looking at what Tarbor was actually doing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: We were more so focused on the house, like what
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: they were, what they were going through, what they were
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: going through in the house before they you know, before
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: they did all the child.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: People that age ourselves, we were concerned with the reality
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: TV aspect of it all.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: We weren't really concerned.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: And then then it's like yo, then you look. Then
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you look at the then you look at the challenges
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that they're doing, and then you look at like the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: runway shows that they're doing.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Like the ship.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: It seemed like, yo, the ship just didn't make sense,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: like the dependent on them like when they're not the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: little when not the girl ought the goddamn thing, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: it's like, yo.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: She'd have broken shed broken foot.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Took you to deduct the points for that because it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: like you supposed to you you didn't hand a little
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: with poison all that bullshit, like we couldn't get no,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get no good picture you because you was
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: on you know, he was on the floor. And it's like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I feel like she had
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: she she had power. She had power in that situation,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and she kind of a used the power. And then
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: when you then when you see then, when you see that,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: when you see the people that she's working with, her circle,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: her core circle, telling her like you know, they can't,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: they can't do this ship you fire them niggas, like she.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: She did not take accountability from for any of it,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: or she glossed over a lot of what happened.
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and the NFLT.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I felt bad for note because not the quarter astray.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Like so when when when all three of them got
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: one of the network said, you know, when the network
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: told him night fire all three of them, It's.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, damn, what the natal do bro?
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Like he just taking pictures.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: But they had some very controversial shoots on this show too.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, to kind of wrap this up the issue, I
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: didn't like the race play one where they made him
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: switch races and.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: That she did did that multiple time.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: I didn't care. I didn't understand the point of it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: That became her thing.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: I didn't like it. I didn't understand it. And as
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: a black woman, you shouldn't put up with that. I'm sorry.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: It just didn't make you were Situa that had him
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: them doing black and white face and stuff. And I
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: saw somebody in the comments compared to like stuff like
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: white chicks and stuff like that, and I was like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can I can see what you're trying
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: to say, but I meant there was a movie they
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: were acting. I just didn't understand whatever. I have a
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: differentive opinion when it comes to that. But it was
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff that they had them doing.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: It became less about modeling and more about like, let's
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: see how far we can push them.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: But even she said doing like she brought up fear
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: factor to your point earlier, Aaron, she said that while
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: it was a modeling competition, they have ratings and they
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: have you know, network heres that are over top of
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: the executive producers of the show. So a lot of
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: the ideas for you know, getting in coffins and posing
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: like domestic violence victims and stuff. That stuff was ratings draws.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Because you had wanted people to sit and watch the
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: show doesn't make.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: It right, Yeah, it's I mean, but I think I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: think that's what watching.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: That for so long Anyway, I think the last season
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: I may have watched was when whatever season Yeah y'all
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: was on there, that was like season three. I think
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I watched it. I think I
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: watched when Yeah y'all was dead, When what season.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Was to car On four or five? I think that
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: was early.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: I think I watched was on there. Yeah, so no,
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: it may have been whatever the last season was that
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: Carver was on.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: I don't think I watched it. I did just stay
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: consistent after that. I watched it for some years. No,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: but again, it came out when we were in high school,
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: so we were younger than But I sitting watching now
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: no so and you know, I'm a reality TV junkie,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: but now all these I found myself still even sitting
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: there watching real TV.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: Like you went on TV and did this.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I tuned out.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I think, like I said, I watched season season nine
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: was when Jazz Cycle. When I was when jazz Leane
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: won and Cycle Team was when Whitney Whitney won who
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: was the.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: First plus size model.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I think after Whitney season cycle ten, I think I
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: to doubt the show pretty much after that because you've
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: been watching it basically five to six years at that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Point, and it was like the same thing, same.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Stuff, And yeah, I stopped watching after Whitney one, so
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: same with like the real World, I would.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I think, no, I think I take that on the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Only good thing that came from that was that became
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that used to be our thing, like you come over
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the crib and we were down in my mother's basement
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: kitchen watching it, watching on the big TV. Yeah, and
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: it like it brought like ship we just do that. Well,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that was just out time, like you know, the weekly
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: little like little get together. It was yeah, and it's
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: but like I said, it's it's just crazy and I
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: feel and then I felt bad for miss Jay my
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: mom my nigga was in the damn call was in
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: a calla for like five months and this bitch ain't.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Go see him at all.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: Yell and it's like that was that was that was
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: That was tough.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That was your man.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: It's tough like you she was sixteen, She's called she
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: checked on me, but you have not got your monkey
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: as on a fucking plane and went and saw him.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: But even she even Chris was like, she texted, said
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I want to come see you. But miss was like yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: but that was like right before we also started filming
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: this one. She probably knew and that we were gonna
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: probably interact on this program.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that became too. I didn't like that at all.
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: It was not genuinely your friend. It wasn't.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: And and him saying I taught models how to walk
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: and now I can't walk. I said, who not yet,
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: not yet, not yet, not yet.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: I believe he's gonna he's gonna make a recovery.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I really did, because even not just said you were
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: from not being able to speak, not being able to
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: do anything to move.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: And you back to your facial But it was on
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: who was on the other day, tam Ring or Sherry
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: or somebody was on the other day, and he said
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: something and he was like, I said, face.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just I mean, it's just
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that you see how they did how she
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: did them niggas dirty, and it's.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Like everything ain't on t there's a lot of people
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: who didn't take no damn accountability who were responsible for
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: this stuff.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Her co executive producer responsible.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: He did like this, But I mean, the buck stopped
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: with with Ken and Tarber because they were co executive
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: producers of the show. But you also have to blame
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: UPN head, the CW head, v H one, whatever network
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: that show was on, there greenlit a lot of those
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: that stuff happened, because at any point the head of
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: UPN could have been like, the girls just get sexually
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: assaulted on the TV show. This is cut that out,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: cut that out. She can stay on the show, or
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: y'all can say that she chose to leave and we'll
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: keep this part of the show out. No, but they
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: left in it. So a lot of people were responsible.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Tyra has been sacrificed or set up as the sacrificial
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: way for lack of a better term, because it was
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: her show. She was the creator and co executive producer.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: But she is not the only person responsible for how
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: that show turned out. She can knocking people up the chain.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: So in conclusion, fuck them all well, And I will say,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly think a lot of people felt
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: like this. The documentary from Timer being included seems like
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: a three episode long commercial for a new cycle of
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: American's X Stop Model. Yeah, she said, but we're coming
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: up a cycle twenty five.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, you know, I'm not watching.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: What's also funny is fucking me? Is that show you
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you living? You living in Sydney Now she lives in Australia.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: You hate that could well, you can't walk, you can't
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: walk the streets, and this motherfucker Same Stop. I'm all right,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I'm playing, I'm playing. I don't know, I don't know
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: for sure, but I'm just saying it's like it's kind
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: of ironic that, you know, like this shit came out
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in like twenty twenty. You know, everybody, you know, everybody
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was in the house for rewatching and shit, and then
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: now you got all this shit online. Niggas is telling
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: you how fucked up you are as a person. And
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: then it's like you go, you know, go somewhere else where.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: They can't well know where.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: They don't know.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Shit, they didn't see the original America's Next Time Model.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: They got Sydney's Next Top Model.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, this show.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I wondered if Tarra made because she probably that show
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: was probably turned into a millionaire because I think she
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: may have gotten EP credits or may have gotten some
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: sort of like not a kickback, but like gotten money
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: from basically like royalty licensing the show out worldwide to
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: different countries, because every country had a top model Canada,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the UK, France, Germany, Indonesia, Africa's next top model, Japan's
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: next top model, China's next top model, Tara. Basically, I
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: think she got royalties from all of that, or her
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: and the network of royalties from all of that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: That's why I she ain't tripping about that ship. Bro,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: she almost abigion.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah she got Yeah, she got sexual saug doing
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: she had sexual saws doing the show.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: One thing that I noticed about Tyra was when she
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: was when they were talking about like the Jay's and
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Nagel getting fired and everything, she kept saying that nobody
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: is bigger than the program, nobody's bigger than the program,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: nobody's bigger than the program. But then even when it
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: came term when they talked about her getting fired as
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: the host, and she said it again, nobody is bigger
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: than the program or bigger than the show. So maybe
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: she was a victim as well of the show's success. Maybe,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I think again, just as a sagittarius like Tyra, maybe
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: internally she made peace with a lot of the shit
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: that happened on the show internally years ago. And it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: trying to put on like a face of like it's fine,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: this happened, and this happened. But even I think I
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: saw an interview I think was Tamman or Sherry that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: said that when Jay was on the show, she wasn't
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: showing her real personality or her real feelings about what
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: happened on the show. She still had the mask on,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: and people did not connect with her, possibly could not
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: have connected with her because of that, right, m hm.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, man, I just I'm not watching
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: cycle twenty five of American's XCIT Model. You know, my
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: my days of watching reality TV have, I think, are,
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: like I said, outside of Real Housewives, the three franchises
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: I do keep up with are largely over at this point.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my guilty pleasure, but even now, I'm like,
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff I'm just like, I watch
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: all the bored them sometimes, like I do.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: I don't pay to watch the ship, but I do.
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: I did pay like for one.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: I paid for like one month of Zeus just to
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: see what the hype was about. And I initially paid
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: for to watch uh No. I paid for to watch
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Chances show, and they gave Chances to show, okay, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: that was ready to this hell too, and then I
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: ended up watch I didn't watch the first cycle of Baddies. Initially,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I didn't watch South, and then I think I ended
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: up watching East because they booked for shan On and
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, let me just watch that. And
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't watch Africa. I think I'm watching America now,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: but I'm not paying for it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: I found free online.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Posting videos, so that's how I see that. But a
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: lot of them, I just don't just sit there and
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: be like, y'all, really.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It's safe to say, is it safe to say that that?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: But you're trying to keep like Zeus is like that
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: one that work that just trying to keep that, that's
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: trying to keep.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: That nostalgic you know, that nostalgia predatory.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: I don't care, but nobody saying they are.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: They take girls who don't have it, and you who
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: are Internet famous, i G Famous and stuff like that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: And give them the opportunity to be on TV and stuff.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: They once they want to be artists. And there's a
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: few rappers. Baby mama's on there, y'all. Let talk to
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: y'all like she can't get popped in her chins And
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: it ain't no way how Crimson be talking me crazy.
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: No, No, it's just the negative.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: I was just saying, I will not daughter and talk
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: to me like that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying juice, I said juice. Zeus.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Feels like they're just trying to keep they're trying to
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: keep that that that flavor love reality, like reality, and
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: like they're trying they're trying to keep it alive.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: They're trying to keep it alive. But we moved, Damn,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: we're moving.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like, like I said, like I said a
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: couple of episodes ago.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Like we're moving past that era now.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: It's like now we're moving back into the back into
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the drama, like the drama to like drama TV shows
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and original like original plant like original ideas, older fantasy.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're also we started watching reality TV Springing Star
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: that was the nineties, the talk shows and we started
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: watching reality shows in the nineties. I think the first
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: season of The Railroad I Wire when it was Aaron
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: on m t V. Was the Railroad with Hawaii that
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: was like nineteen ninety seven, nineteen eighty eight?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Was that was that tacking Ruthie in Hawaiian?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right, bad bad bad?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: And then Tech became like this whole he became like
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: this whole, this whole whole MTV personality.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: After that, I.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Saw a railroad in New Orleans. I think I watched
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: the Railroad. I did.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: I used to watch it. I would be I didn't yet,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: I definitely didn't get into role.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: Well that ended before you know, that ended in the
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: mid nineties. So it was my baby, and I've seen
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: the way you look at other things you've been with.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: Come on, sweet, come on, baby, can be done with this.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: He's move on the question.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: But I will say we started watching reality TV in
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: the nineties. At least I started watching reality TV in
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety and at this point you watched when
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: watching nothing. We mentioned it before. I think the last
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: episode twenty years of the same foolishness. Narratives been painted
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: about people, people being put through all sorts of shit,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: and I mentioned this. We talked about zeus before. I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: didn't even finish the first season of Bad Boys. I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: got it and was using Shawna's login to watch Bad
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Boys on zeus because everybody was talking about it, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: I did not finish that season because I'm like, all
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: y'all doing. All y'all doing on this show is fighting
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: each other, beating shit out of each other, talking shit
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: about each other, y'all living in the house.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: And putting out music. Some of their music is horrible.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm losing brain cells
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: watching this and I had never watched anything else on
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: zous since then. But if that's how you get your money,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: more power to you get it how you live.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Y'all want to let the little Sam with Davis Junior
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: keep pimping y'all, that's fine.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: What power to y'all?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Look like?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Any closing words before we continue going with the rest
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: of the show. About Hover, he said, yeah, I'm not watching.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: It's like a twenty five of America's sext Time Model.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: But yeah, have fun if y'all do, and let us
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: know what y'all think in the comments about like just
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: the show and like your thoughts on the documentary, your
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: thoughts on like body image and how media shaped your
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: perception of how your body should look or what you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: think that you know, if you were affected by Tarbor
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: telling girls who were size sixes that they were fat
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: when they weren't actually fat, but that the modeling industry standards,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: you know they were because they weren't sample size. Drop
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: them into comments. Let's get a dialogue going, and if
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: nobody told you today you're beautiful.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: You're beautiful the word, the glow rear, every.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Curve, every curve, every flaw Yoh.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know your unique stretch tastes like Sinnamento's crencis.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: It's okay.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: You are beautiful no matter what they say. Words won't
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: bring you down. You are beautiful no matter what they day.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: But words can't bring you down. So don't you bring
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: me down today.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Because what I am is what I am.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: Sorry, Hey, Rose is still a rose.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Baby girl, girl, You're still a flower. He can leave
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: you and then take.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: You, make you, break you.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Darland, You hold the hold.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: Is what I am.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, tough question the week. Cham