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I Am All In…Again: Did Nicole Deserve a Better Send Off? (Season 4 E16 “The Reigning Lorelai”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again?
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  Speaker 2: How I.
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  Speaker 3: Am all in town? Meeting with Suzanne French and Tara
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  Speaker 3: sud An. iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am
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  Speaker 3: all in Podcast? What eleven Productions? Iheartradiomedia, iHeart Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We have a recap episodes, Season four, episode sixteen, The
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  Speaker 1: Reigning laurle I Special guest Guess who Tricia o' kelly.
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  Speaker 2: It's me.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing, Tricia?
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  Speaker 4: I am good?
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  Speaker 3: How are you good? Good? Good? Good?
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  Speaker 1: Best known for her recurring role as Marley Erhart on
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  Speaker 1: the CBS sitcom The New Adventures of Old Christine. She
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  Speaker 1: portrayed Nicole Lahey for eight Gilmore Girls episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Was it eight? It was eight? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Eight?
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  Speaker 1: And you can see a recently on Station nineteen high potential.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. We had you on in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Wait was it that long ago? For some reason, I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was last year.
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  Speaker 3: It was three years.
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  Speaker 2: So you're doing it all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing, Well, thank you for having me back again.
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  Speaker 1: The Reigning laurel I Episode sixteen, Season four, Air date
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  Speaker 1: March twenty twenty four. Synopsis. Richard's mother Tricks passes away,
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  Speaker 1: and Emily finds a scathing letter Tricks wrote to Richard
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  Speaker 1: the night before her and Richard's wedding that sends her
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  Speaker 1: over the edge. Marita Grabiac directed, written by Jane Espenson.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Trash, let's get into this.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just jump in right now and say, Kelly
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  Speaker 2: Bishop is a goddess?
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  Speaker 1: Go and Tricks is inconsolable with a scotch in his study,
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  Speaker 1: and he's and he's asking for a mock turtleneck suit.
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  Speaker 3: Suki knows how to make that.
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  Speaker 1: Emily starts making arrangements right away as Laurela I brings
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  Speaker 1: the soup in the study and she starts crying and
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  Speaker 1: is losing it because he regrets his.
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  Speaker 3: Last words to her. He says that that's.
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  Speaker 1: The way it ended. It was an argument. The hateful
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  Speaker 1: words end quote. Laurea lies with Emily going through Brand's papers.
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  Speaker 1: She learns that Tricks was.
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  Speaker 3: Already ready at Gilmore.
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  Speaker 1: They were second cousins, and she wants an open casket
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  Speaker 1: then to be cremated and split into two. Emily and
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  Speaker 1: Richard will have one urn and the other Ashes will
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  Speaker 1: be buried with her husband. Emily finds the letter Tricks
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  Speaker 1: wrote to Richard the night before his wedding to Emily,
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  Speaker 1: begging him not to marry her and reconsider penal and
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  Speaker 1: lot uh oh a lot again here we go. She
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  Speaker 1: gets extremely upset and stops planning the wedding immediately. Suki
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  Speaker 1: and Laura I go to Emily's and she's drinking and
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  Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and in her robe, not giving a care. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Jason comes over to get some signatures from Richard and
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  Speaker 1: he hugs him very awkwardly. Today, the funeral, Emily is
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  Speaker 1: still drunk and Richard is still moping around. Rory helps
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  Speaker 1: him get ready because Laurel I realize should give underwear
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  Speaker 1: to the funeral home, so she goes to Victoria's Secret
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  Speaker 1: to get one and has a meltdown. We meet Marilyn Gilmore,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the same actress as Tricks Gilmore, Marion Ross,
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  Speaker 1: and she asks about the bar glasses and tells stories
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  Speaker 1: about Tricks. What a you know, Trish, What a fun
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  Speaker 1: role that must have been to play talk about to
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  Speaker 1: talk about your dead character in that way?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Delicious, I mean, and she is just I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what an icon. Marion Ross is, right. I got to
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  Speaker 2: work with her on Christine. I don't remember whose mom
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  Speaker 2: she played on that show, but she's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: we grew up with her, right, and yeah, just amazing
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  Speaker 2: this at this whole episode was just so fun to rewatch,
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  Speaker 2: so good and every time I see this show, I
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  Speaker 2: am just Kelly Bishop is just one of the greatest,
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  Speaker 2: and this episode in particular, I thought she was just
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  Speaker 2: you know, Amy worthy, so good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's back to normal, Emily is. She still seems upset,
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  Speaker 1: but then Richard tells her he doesn't want the ashes
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  Speaker 1: to be on the mantle. As you've stated, these performances
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  Speaker 1: Tricia by Ed and Kelly were outstanding in this episode
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  Speaker 1: with the range of emotions they.
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  Speaker 3: Had to portay. Well, you know, but let's talk about you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, a lot of what the fans loved seeing is
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  Speaker 1: a day drunk Emily.
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  Speaker 3: Did you did you like seeing her let loose a
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  Speaker 3: little bit? Or was it?
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  Speaker 2: I loved it? Yeah, I loved it. And when they
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  Speaker 2: showed her with a cigarette without you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I d A, I d g A. What is it?
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  Speaker 3: I can't swear right and you can swear all you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, just with a cigarette with an I don't give.
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  Speaker 3: A let's all swear and she was just looking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, can we please God? That would make my life
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  Speaker 2: so much easier if we can just swear through this
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  Speaker 2: hole this whole episode. But yeah, just also just like
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  Speaker 2: what she was wearing, and she just looked like so
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  Speaker 2: seventies you know, I still you know, ice storm kind
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  Speaker 2: of with this cigarette. It was so good good.
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  Speaker 1: This letter is brutal, yes, and is widening the crack
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  Speaker 1: between Richard and Emily after Emily learned about the lunches,
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  Speaker 1: oh with the notorious pendulum.
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  Speaker 2: Lot And what a great name by the way, right right,
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  Speaker 2: perfect name for a nemesis.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think this is the turning point in their marriage?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean maybe it would have been, but the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he made the decision at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the episode to not have his mother's ashes watching over
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  Speaker 2: her and judging her until the end of time on
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  Speaker 2: the mantle, you know what I mean. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that was a choice and a statement, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: I choose you right right right, I still choose you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tough sledding.
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  Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Because I actually don't know how like
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  Speaker 2: I if they ended up.
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  Speaker 1: Together, it's an incredibly difficult situation. Yeah, And I think, boy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, no matter what decisions she makes here, Ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're a first time or to the series,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you come upon this particular narrative at
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  Speaker 1: this juncture, there is no wrong move for Emily here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's completely justified into ending the marriage and
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  Speaker 1: also you know, forgiving him and moving on and you
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  Speaker 1: rising above, there's there's not a wrong move she can make.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, can I ask you something because I I this
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  Speaker 2: is a really good this is a really good moment
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  Speaker 2: for a confession that I have not watched every episode
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  Speaker 2: of Gilmore Girls, so I actually don't know did their
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  Speaker 2: marriage survive this?
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  Speaker 1: I guess people will just have to keep tuning in
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  Speaker 1: to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Are people who are listening to your podcast watching for
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  Speaker 2: the first time or are they watching? Are they all
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  Speaker 2: in again with you?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, my thought is that they will stay together.
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  Speaker 2: He ultimately chooses her by making that decision at the end,
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  Speaker 2: and that is the final answer.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think she should get the option of getting to
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  Speaker 1: blow up one of its roles for risis.
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  Speaker 2: Think about how cathartic that would be, right.
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  Speaker 1: Or she gets to have a weekend in Marbeo with
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  Speaker 1: Eric Estrada right, Richard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, so Rory at Yale.
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  Speaker 1: Doyle thinks Rory plagiarized her article with certain phrases she's
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  Speaker 1: using and is ab set.
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  Speaker 3: The whole newsroom is using the computers for personal uses.
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  Speaker 3: Rory rewrites grants obituary because Richard hated it.
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  Speaker 1: Doyle gets upset at first, and she uses the great
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  Speaker 1: grandmother just died hall pass. He then lets her finish
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  Speaker 1: the obituary and relates to her because his grandma just died.
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  Speaker 3: Trish. Doyle's very tough from the beginning of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, then what happens He softens when he learns about
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  Speaker 1: the obituary and lets Rory get to know her great grandmother.
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  Speaker 3: That was a nice moment talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: But then she felt guilty because she wasn't as close
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  Speaker 2: to her great grandmother as she as he was to his.
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  Speaker 2: So she felt like she had to fess up, like
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  Speaker 2: I was just using this as a hall pass. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really I didn't know her all that well, you know, right, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: because she of course she's going to do the right.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, yes, Rory, always right, always, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And as the mother of a couple of teenage daughters,
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  Speaker 2: boy that would be nice.
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  Speaker 3: To have that.
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  Speaker 2: That is not my case.
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  Speaker 3: How old are your girls?
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  Speaker 2: Sixteen and almost eighteen?
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  Speaker 3: So lots of peace?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's no drama, thank god.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I never had that, like, oh God, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have two teenage girls and your life is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a nightmare. I never had that. But
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  Speaker 2: it is a lot. It's a lot too.
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  Speaker 3: It is a blissful, joyful experience.
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  Speaker 2: So rewarding, Scott, So rewarding it is.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: You can't see my face, but I'm looking real sarcastic, right.
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  Speaker 3: No, I can hear it. Okay, I can hear it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Let's get down to the centerpiece of this show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean what this show was made for. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: that is Luke and Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: That's what everybody's tuning in for.
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  Speaker 1: Meant, there's they're not They're just like they're blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, now this.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: So guess who's in town.
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  Speaker 2: Who's in town?
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  Speaker 1: Nicole's in town? Well, yeah, and guess who she's arguing.
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  Speaker 3: With on a match my no good husband, darn right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: every every bit of them.
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  Speaker 2: I have a question about arguing on the bench. But
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  Speaker 2: if you want to give our little recap.
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  Speaker 3: First, no, no, go ahead. I love questions.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I remember shooting that episode and the scene
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  Speaker 2: we're on the bench and the people are watching us.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's watching us from the diner, and you can't hear
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  Speaker 2: what we're saying. So not the scene where we're fighting
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  Speaker 2: and you can hear what we're saying, but the scene
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  Speaker 2: on the bench. Tell me if I'm wrong. I remember
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  Speaker 2: that we were actually having a normal conversation but just
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  Speaker 2: gesticulating wildly to make it look like we were fighting.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like we were. I feel like, again,
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  Speaker 2: you can't see me, but I'm going to gesticulate wildly.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we were, like, you know, talking about
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  Speaker 2: what we did over the weekend, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like I went to happy hour at the bar. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I had the time of my life, probably going
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  Speaker 2: to go back, like just we were like fighting, but
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  Speaker 2: talking about something super normal. Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying, okay, so you're saying that we were
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  Speaker 1: in the background of one shot and that's what we
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  Speaker 1: were doing, or yeah, oh okay, I wouldn't put it
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  Speaker 1: past me to float that idea to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure it was your idea, because I'm just
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  Speaker 2: a silly little guest star, and I wouldn't have made
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  Speaker 2: both decisions on my own. But like, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about our weekend or like a guy
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  Speaker 2: I was dating or something silly, okay, but just doing
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  Speaker 2: it in a very angry way because we were on
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  Speaker 2: camera but we couldn't be heard. It sounds like something
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  Speaker 2: we would do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just let's just say that's what that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually, it was actually an exercise that we
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  Speaker 1: used to do in uh in my little uh my
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  Speaker 1: first acting class in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, where you have to emote like the
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  Speaker 2: opposite of what the words are saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Yeah, all kinds of tricks. Tricks. So,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone in Luke's diner.
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  Speaker 1: Is very quiet, looking up, trying to listen to this
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  Speaker 1: kind of this argument that we're having, which we're really
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  Speaker 1: just talking about mendane stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Patty walks in and they shusher looked. Then Luke
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  Speaker 1: think comes downstairs and he is in a bad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. That's that's the next scene, right, the first one.
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  Speaker 2: We're on the park bench fighting.
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  Speaker 1: At the very and then Nicole comes downstairs and try
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  Speaker 1: to talk to him. They continue arguing, and then they
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  Speaker 1: end their conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And who walks away? Who walks away? Nicole?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tricia, this is your final episode in Gilmore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: although you are mentioned more times throughout the season, do
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  Speaker 1: you think Nicole should have gotten a better send off?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you put a ring on it. That
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  Speaker 2: should mean something, right, you know, like I, as far
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  Speaker 2: as I know, I was the only one, not me,
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  Speaker 2: not me personally, Nicole was the only one you actually
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  Speaker 2: went the distance with, albeit briefly, right, And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think they should have a bigger, a bigger sendoff
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  Speaker 2: for Nicole. Right, Yeah, that's rewatching that episode. I forgot
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  Speaker 2: that that was my last one. It felt like there
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  Speaker 2: was going to be something that wrapped it all up
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  Speaker 2: in a bow, like to follow in another episode, So
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  Speaker 2: I'd forgotten that that was it.
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  Speaker 3: Trista at this point, did you know that this was
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  Speaker 3: going to be your last episode? No, there's really no
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  Speaker 3: way you could, though, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I know, And remember and we talked about this in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I didn't even know I was coming
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  Speaker 2: back for this season because when I was hired and
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  Speaker 2: when I was cast, I was cast for a specific
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  Speaker 2: amount of episodes. I don't know how many. It was
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  Speaker 2: maybe four or something.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember. I would I would, I would call
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  Speaker 3: Amy in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say more, bring her back, please, or more because
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  Speaker 2: she's so amazing. Well, we got along really well, like
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  Speaker 2: we we had fun.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot. It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: It was Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But when I was cast and I said this time that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I had just finished finished a series where
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  Speaker 2: I had to dye my hair red and and then
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  Speaker 2: that series was canceled. And then the next day I
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  Speaker 2: auditioned for Nicole and got it. I was like shit,
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  Speaker 2: I got I was like so excited to get my blonde,
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  Speaker 2: my normal hair back, And so then that's why for
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  Speaker 2: that first season of Nicole, I was a redhead. And
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  Speaker 2: then I thought I was done, and so I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: went back to blonde, and then they called me back
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  Speaker 2: for the following season. I was like shit. So no,
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  Speaker 2: I did not know that that was gonna be my
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  Speaker 2: last episode. But I also didn't even know that I
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  Speaker 2: was going to be in that season at all, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that fight scene when I you come
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  Speaker 2: back down to the diner. Everyone was listening, and then
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  Speaker 2: I follow you down there and I was like, are
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  Speaker 2: you coming back? And You're like, I thought we were done,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I was in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the word september, like watch. I thought that line was
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  Speaker 2: so genius at the time that I never forgot it,
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  Speaker 2: and then rewatching it, I was like, that was such
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  Speaker 2: a good line. I was in the middle of you
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  Speaker 2: left the conversation thinking it was over when I was
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the word september.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, kiddle, Yeah, that's going to wrap
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  Speaker 1: this one up. Thank you everybody, Trisha Kelly, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming back. Always welcome. Let's not let three years pass
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  Speaker 1: until you come back for a third go route.
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  Speaker 2: I would love it. I would love it anytime. Scott.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure Amy would appreciate less phone calls from me
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I said, keep them coming, Scott, keep them coming.
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  Speaker 3: Keep keep the phone calls going, all right, I keep going,
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  Speaker 3: all right, cool, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, best fans on the planet, So appreciate you guys,
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  Speaker 1: keep the cards and letters coming. We read every single
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  Speaker 1: one of them and we appreciate your feedback.
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  Speaker 3: And remember where you lead, we will follow.
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  Speaker 4: Stay safety, everybody, and to forget.
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