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Episode 8 - Interview w/Jeanette Kauffman · Besties Do Verticals

• Aleta: Hello and welcome to Besties Do Verticals. With your besties, Alita and Lucy. Hi, I'm Alita. Lucy And Aleta: And I'm Lucy. Aleta: Thank you for tuning in to our very first interview episode. We talked about Lucy And Aleta: Whoop! Aleta: possibly having people from the industry, specifically those that worked and contributed to queer verticals. come on and talk about their experiences. Lucy and I feel that it is really important that those in the queer vertical industry have a voice and a place to talk about what they're working on, or current struggles. We are so excited to have our very first guest, a dear friend Jeanette Kaufman. Lucy And Aleta: Yay! Thank you, Nutty Jeanette, for coming ⁓ We're so excited! ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes. I'm excited to be here, so. Lucy And Aleta: Yay! So know as Netty, and she is a good friend of mine. We are so grateful to her for being our first guinea pig. ⁓ I mean ⁓ guest on our podcast. She is going to help us understand the process and work out all the kinks. Hee hee kink. In case we want to Jeanette Kauffman: Hahaha Lucy And Aleta: try and do more in the future. ⁓ Sorry, I'm just gonna make both of them laugh now. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah Lucy And Aleta: Nettie is a professional script writer who has worked in the film industry for eight years. She is a vertical drama fan and currently trying to break into the vertical We are so excited to have her with us today. So would you introduce yourself, Netty? Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, ⁓ my name is, well, ⁓ most of my family and friends call me Nettie, but my name is Jeanette. And ⁓ I work for a daytime soap opera right now. I work for one of the big daytime soap operas. I've been a dialogue writer there for eight years now. So ⁓ Aleta: Wow. Jeanette Kauffman: yeah, so that's what I do. And basically, ⁓ yeah, so for the last probably six, seven months, I've been trying to ⁓ see if I could get a vertical made, because I think it would be fun. ⁓ That's part of it. So yeah, that's me. Lucy And Aleta: I love it. And something I was actually gonna ask you in your intro is how did we meet you? How did I meet you? How did Alita get involved? I think you should explain that. Jeanette Kauffman: Well, ⁓ it's kind of a, so really, really, I just started like hanging out because I really, really was getting into the queer verticals on my own. And actually how I met you guys, I don't know if you even know. ⁓ So how I met you guys is that there used to be like a group chat and someone just randomly dropped me into that group chat without like me even knowing anyone Aleta: Ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ in there. ⁓ And ever since then, I've just been, I've known you guys. So yeah. Lucy And Aleta: I feel like I remember when I really put two and two together who you were is ⁓ Netty was in Evans subscriber chat with us ⁓ and ⁓ I ⁓ just let it hang out and I said where I lived ⁓ and Jeanette Kauffman: Yep. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Netty was like wait live in this area of that state ⁓ and I was wait wait wait wait ⁓ I was like I Aleta: Ha ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: We discovered we live about 30 minutes apart at the very most. Aleta: Mm. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah, and you know what's so funny is I always say just ten minutes apart, but it's not true. It is thirty minutes apart. Jeanette Kauffman: It's like 30, it's 30. Well, because I live in the middle of nowhere, so. Lucy And Aleta: You do, and that's okay though. but it is really cool because of the fandom, ⁓ I think her and I are only ones that I know of that get to hang out in person Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah. Lucy And Aleta: and geek out. Aleta: Yeah. Lucy And Aleta: We did recently decorate our arms with Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: vertical drama tattoos. They're gonna say this out. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: please! Yes, yes, we did. Yes, yes, we did. Yes, yes, we did. Lucy And Aleta: And we we we I might as well just set it straight here. We should have done things like a succum tattoo, Jeanette Kauffman: differently. Lucy And Aleta: yeah, TMRB tattoo, but we were like, what are the most awkward things we can put on our arms? Aleta: Ha ha ha. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ And that's what we did. ⁓ And then we made a video of it, and then Evan's like, Cool. Jeanette Kauffman: yep, we did that, we did that. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Hahahaha Lucy And Aleta: He's a great supporter of our chaos. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, he was a great supporter of RKS, so. Lucy And Aleta: I love it. Can you ⁓ us, because I don't think it's in the questions, ⁓ for the intro, what are some things ⁓ that were new exciting for you recently that are kind of helping you break into the vertical industry market, like things you've been trying to work on without giving too much away, because we'll get to that in the questions. Jeanette Kauffman: Well, so I had been, I've been like, ⁓ obviously trying to, like I wrote a vertical and it was kind of an interesting adventure because it is like a really different type of writing than anything that you're doing in the regular industry. So that was interesting. but basically started doing, ⁓ Contest I tried trying to enter contests and I also started trying to pitch to the apps which pitching to the apps was not the most successful thing but that's that's the things that I have I did was I started trying to pitch to the apps directly and also I tried ⁓ Entering several contests. So yeah Lucy And Aleta: can you tell us a little bit about the LA drama market that might have happened recently? Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, but I don't know if you wanted me to tell that yet. So, yeah, so the LA Vertical Drama Market, that was a really cool experience. So basically, ⁓ I submitted my script on a website called Film Freeway. They have lots and lots of like film and script writing and different kinds of... ⁓ festivals that they offer. I've actually entered it in a few more that haven't happened yet, but I entered it in the LA Vertical Drama Markets. They called it their Vertigo Pitch Competition and ⁓ you know, I kind of figured we'd see what would happen. Well, they picked 12 people and I was one of the 12, so I had to go to LA. I found out it was interesting because I found out on the 5th of May and had to be in LA on the 8th of May, so that was a little bit Aleta: ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: like ⁓ my God, you know what I mean? ⁓ But yeah, so I pitched in front of a panel of people. I mean, I was admittedly, I will admittedly say I was very, very nervous to do that and I had never done a true pitch like that before. So that was interesting and we still don't have the results of that, but it was a really cool experience. And I also learned a lot about what they're doing in verticals there too. So that was cool. Aleta: That's amazing. Lucy And Aleta: Agreed. I love it. I love to hear what she what you're kind of up to and where things are going. Aleta: tell us how did you get into vertical dramas, Nettie? Jeanette Kauffman: You mean like watching them? Aleta: Yeah. Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah. I mean, the same way I think everybody else did, like by from the from the crappy, like clickbait ads. I think we all got into them from the crappy clickbait ads. Lucy And Aleta: Ha ha ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: I mean, we all we can anybody admit that they didn't get into a vertical drama from the crappy clickbait ads. I mean, it happened. Aleta: We were all sucked in by suckum. Jeanette Kauffman: And I've always been, Lucy And Aleta: That's right. Jeanette Kauffman: I will admittedly say I've always been into, like I've always been kind of a soapy person. So like they drew me in cause I was like, okay, these are cool because they're like mini soaps, Aleta: Mm. Jeanette Kauffman: you know, cause that's what they are. They're basically like mini soap operas. ⁓ So ⁓ told in one minute bits as opposed to, you know, ⁓ one hour episodes. So yeah. Lucy And Aleta: What was the drama that sucked you in? Was it suck ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ the first vertical drama I ever actually watched was not Succum, but Succum was the first vertical drama I really liked a lot, like that really like made me, made me want to watch more. The first vertical drama I ever watched was actually My Secret Agent Husband. Lucy And Aleta: Really? ⁓ the king of stage kissing. Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah, it was. I'll admit that Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: the worst ⁓ stage ever. I mean, not insult these people, but yes, ⁓ some of the ⁓ stage kissing ever. yeah, Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. Jeanette Kauffman: but it's a good vertical. I mean, I think it's a really good vertical if... It didn't have the stage kissing, but no, that was my first one. But succum is, was the first vertical I ever like really loved. It was the first vertical I ever really like went, okay, I love this. So yeah. Lucy And Aleta: I love it. Very cool. ⁓ ⁓ what is favorite vertical and why? Jeanette Kauffman: I have massive feelings about this. can't pick one. ⁓ My favorite vertical is either Succum or Tutoring My Boy. I love both of them ⁓ and I love both of them a lot. So hard for me. I think it's that I have a affinity to Evan and I just can't pick, but that's the reality. Aleta: It's okay to tie. I have two tied for my favorite as well. ⁓ Everybody knows what they are. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: I know what they are. Yeah, ⁓ yeah, ⁓ they do. yeah, my favorite. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: Ha ha ha. Aleta: So we're very interested in hearing about that script that you pitched at the LA drama market. ⁓ Brother of the Bride, ⁓ can you give us a breakdown and ⁓ what your hopes are for it? Jeanette Kauffman: Yep. So I'm just going to, I'm going to read that the, at the log line from it, cause I think it's like a really good explanation of the entire script. So Aleta: Mm-hmm. Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ it's basically after being unexpectedly left at the altar, a young man finds true love with the last person he ever expected, which is the of his former bride. ⁓ So it is kind of like a brother-in-law story. It's, you know, like, I think we've seen brother-in-law stories, you know, where like, girl goes home to meet boys family and ends up falling in love with his brother or some you know version of that but this is that's what this is so except for it starts out with the main character who being left at the altar by his girlfriend who he's been with since he was like a kid and he's also best friends with this girl's brother and they've always been best friends But the brother is gay, this is a known thing pretty early, and he's always kind of had a crush on him too. And as the story progresses, the two of them, sort of after she leaves him, of ⁓ evolve into falling in love with each other, and then a series of things happens because this man, Milo, who's the main character, who is not based on Miles at all, which is kind of interesting, that's actually the character I think of as more being the Greg Duffy character. ⁓ He is ⁓ like, he slowly falls in love, we watch him slowly fall in love with ⁓ Artie, who is the other character. And it's very interesting because throughout the course of that, all of that happening, we learn Milo's father is really not okay with this and he does a lot of things to try to break them up along with Amelia also being a major factor in their relationship as well. But of course it has a happy ending. It's all good. And yeah, there we are. Aleta: Ha ha ha. Lucy And Aleta: And Amelia is the sister of Ar ⁓ Artie. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, of Artie, yes, she is the ⁓ original bride of the story. They are twins. Lucy And Aleta: Okay. Are they twins? I can't remember. Okay. ⁓ And ⁓ I know you touched on a little bit, but kinda who's your little dreamcast for it? ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: So I, when I wrote the script, will, I will immediately, I'm going to say real quick that when I wrote this script, I was actually really angry about the fact that we weren't getting a succum to from Goodshort. And that's where the whole like heart of like why I decided to write a vertical script came from. ⁓ I really just went like, you know, I'm so tired of us not getting Suck'em 2 and I couldn't write Suck'em 2 because I don't have the rights to write Suck'em 2. But I mean, I could write it if they'd let me write it, but they aren't going to let me write it. So I like came up with this other story that would have Evan ⁓ Gambardella as Artie and Greg Duffy as Milo. ⁓ In the original, in my original vision, I actually had those names switched, but then I thought it was two on the nose Milo was Miles. ⁓ And I eventually, like, I stuck with it, but I, yeah. So that's. Aleta: Isn't there that character from Atlantis named Milo that kinda looks like Greg? ⁓ okay. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, that is correct. Yes, is correct. ⁓ I also see like ⁓ someone like Erin Orcutt Amelia because I think she's already worked with Greg and I think it would be a cool thing to have her as well. Like I don't know that that would ever happen again. It's just my dream cast, but you know. So Lucy And Aleta: And currently and currently that is the script that you've been pitching. That's the one that went at the LA drama market. Jeanette Kauffman: Correct. Lucy And Aleta: So we also understand that just finalized your second BL script, Forbidden Steps. ⁓ Can you talk to us about that process as you did, Brother of the Bride, what it's about? Jeanette Kauffman: So this was easier to write though, because it was, I'd already written one ⁓ and already kind of knew like how they get written. ⁓ Again, I don't know, because I mean, it's like really early stages on that ⁓ one. just finished it, but it is basically, mean, and it's kind of funny because we actually had a step brother one come out, but ⁓ it a step brother one. It is very different than the step brother one that came out. is, they're adult step brothers, ⁓ essentially. In this story, ⁓ the main character whose name is Kingston comes home from being at college to find that his mother is engaged to a very wealthy man who he quickly figures out is the father of his former high school bully, Trevor. Although Trevor is, mean, Trevor was kind of debatably not a really bad bully, like someone else was really the bully. But Trevor was definitely the hot, attractive kid in high school, and Kingston was definitely the nerdy kid in high school. ⁓ And ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: Ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: of course, throughout the course of the antics of living together, we learned that the reason that Trevor was kind of mean to Kingston all those years is that Trevor is gay and has had a crush on Kingston, ⁓ like nerdy Kingston, ⁓ ever since they were kids. And again, it's the antics of vertical drama happen and ⁓ Kingston or basically Trevor is being forced to marry a girl that he doesn't really like very much named April and there's a lot of things that happen with that so and then of course you know we get to the the fact that they do end up together at the end so Lucy And Aleta: do have specific actors in mind for that one? ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah, that one I actually envisioned Sky and Evan in. That one I actually envisioned Sky and Evan ⁓ ⁓ than I envisioned Greg in that one. Sorry, Alita. ⁓ You know, Aleta: That's a hey. Lucy And Aleta: so ⁓ of reasons Nettie and I, I think get along so well is our brains are the same when it comes to where ⁓ our ⁓ how should say Motivations ⁓ for Jeanette Kauffman: Mm-hmm. Lucy And Aleta: why we doing we're doing, why she writes scripts, why essentially we did start this podcast, a part of the reason was Evan. Evan is so charming and Evan sucked us in, you know, just like Greg sucked Alita in. ⁓ But just just ⁓ kidding, Greg sucked us in too. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: For sure, for sure. Aleta: You c T Jeanette Kauffman: No, we're not taking that out. like it. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ We love you. We love Jeanette Kauffman: She's falling over. Lucy And Aleta: you. You're the best. ⁓ He listened to the first one. There's always a shot. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: It's awesome. Aleta: Thank God he's never gonna listen. It's okay, it's all good. That's it, he's not listening to anymore. I know it. Jeanette Kauffman: You may listen to all of them. Aleta: he's busy. Lucy And Aleta: I love it. ⁓ All right. All right, Alita, I'll let you g settle yourself and Aleta: ⁓ my god. Lucy And Aleta: Not bang and go to the next question. Yeah, I know. Okay. ⁓ Aleta: This is a good thing you're far away from me right now. Dear. ⁓ me now again. So I'm all discombobulated now. ⁓ Netty, what made you want to become a screenwriter in the first place? What? ⁓ whoops I skipped a question. Lucy And Aleta: Sorry. No no no no no No no no no you skipped a question Girl Jeanette Kauffman: Okay, it's okay. I would have answered. I was kind of like, that's not what the next question is, Lucy And Aleta: All right. All right. Go ahead. Aleta: Do you want me to answer the ne ask the next one? Okay. Okay. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. Talk about yeah. Go. This is this is why Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ god. Lucy And Aleta: podcasts take a while for us and then I take so long editing. All right, here we go. Aleta: What is it about Evan and Greg that sucked you in? Lucy and I are also huge fangirls, as you know. Jeanette Kauffman: I know, think it was, honestly for me, was actually the fact that succum was so, I mean, okay, this is gonna sound funny, because there are still problems in succum, but succum is unproblematic for a vertical. I ⁓ know that sounds strange, but it's really unproblematic for a vertical, and so many verticals are problematic. I fell in love with Greg and Evan's chemistry in it, but I also really love that vertical, because I can watch that whole vertical. without skipping anything and not feel gross about it. Like there are a lot of them that that's true of. And so like, I will say that that's why that vertical sucked me in. But I also say, Aleta: Mm-hmm. Mm. Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ Evan and Greg's chemistry is amazing. Like we all know that. ⁓ We all want it again. We've been wanting it again. So yeah, that's it. ⁓ Aleta: So were you there for the first live that they did? No. Okay. 'Cause that's when that's ⁓ when they got us, isn't it, Lucy? Lucy And Aleta: Yeah, I was gonna say, when did you start hopping into the subscriber chats? Was it November? Jeanette Kauffman: I think so. don't think it was right in Aleta: ⁓ well, okay. Jeanette Kauffman: November. I don't think it was right in November, no. Lucy And Aleta: Okay. Was it December? Jeanette Kauffman: I think it was December. Lucy And Aleta: Dude, time has gone by really fast. Wow. Jeanette Kauffman: Because I don't think that it was, I wasn't there for the first live, no, I wasn't. Aleta: Yeah, that was September fourteenth, the first live. So that was a long time before that. Lucy And Aleta: My perception of time is really messed up because it doesn't seem like December was that long ago, but I feel like I've known Nutty for a very long time. And I think it's because Jeanette Kauffman: That really at all. Lucy And Aleta: No, yeah, it hasn't been that long. And I feel like it's probably because we talk to each other every day. You know? Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah. Lucy And Aleta: Like we all work from home and so we just have we're just like, hey. ⁓ So we get to talk to each other. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: We all work from home. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's true. Lucy And Aleta: All right. So why did you want to become a script writer? Jeanette Kauffman: I don't know. mean, I can't really answer that. I can tell you that as long ago as I remember, I always did. ⁓ I ⁓ telling my high school English teacher that my dream was to become a scriptwriter. her telling, and like everybody else told me, ⁓ you'll never make it in that, ⁓ so many people want to be scriptwriters and never make it. ⁓ she did not. She was like, no, she's like, if that's what you want to do, then you do it. And so ever since then, I've been like, you know, I'm actually going to try to do it. I mean, it is, it is, I will not lie that it's an easy and say it's easy to get in script writing, especially in like Hollywood. I think it's probably easier in verticals because they make so many and yeah, but you know, you, you work hard for it and you, that's what you have to do. So yeah, I can't really say when I wanted to be when I just, as long as I can remember, did. Lucy And Aleta: I like it. Aleta: What is your writing routine? How do you organize your days? Or do you? ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Not well, not well. So I am a little different than a lot of people like when it comes to writing, although ⁓ Not necessarily. I do outline some, like a lot of people will outline their entire work before they ever do it. I don't do that. I'm a very organic writer. Like I tend to be like, ⁓ no, I want to do this next. You know I mean? ⁓ And I'll Aleta: Mm-hmm. Jeanette Kauffman: sometimes like my outlines won't be anywhere close to what ⁓ it was originally going to be because I'll be like, once I start writing, I'll be like, ⁓ no, I like this better. ⁓ So I tend to be like a more organic writer. There are some that have to have like a stringent outline of everything they're going write in their script. And I think that in some ways that that type of writing is really good for people because a lot of companies and things will want your full outline before they want your script. You know what I mean? Aleta: Mm. Jeanette Kauffman: Like they'll want to ⁓ like when you're, when you're writing something for like a, like, so for example, like if I were writing something for one of the vertical apps, they would probably me for a timeline first. And I would probably to stick to that timeline. And then it, then I have. more issues, but I can still do it. I'm different in that respect. I much prefer writing organically. Lucy And Aleta: Like it. another ⁓ question: there any methods you use for character creation and development? Jeanette Kauffman: on the vertical side, well, so I will say on the soap side, I've never gotten to make a character. Like I don't get that kind of like the characters are all way above my head. ⁓ like on the vertical side and in like my previous stuff that I've ever done, I mean, ⁓ lot of times my, my characters are inspired by people I like at that time. That's not necessarily always the case. Like, or they might be inspired by like several of the people I like at that time combined into one character. I've done that too. ⁓ so I will say that's, that's a huge part of character inspiration for me. Although I'm not saying like in the fan fiction way, I'm saying like in a, okay, I really like this person. I want to write a character, like what they would be like in this situation. And then I start, Aleta: Mm-hmm. Jeanette Kauffman: you know, building characters. I'm terrible at naming characters. I've been known use like, like game generators for my characters, sadly. Lucy And Aleta: I love hearing the methods. The mad the method but madness behind the method ⁓ Is that what I meant to say? There we go. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah. ⁓ Aleta: The method behind the madness. Jeanette Kauffman: There you go. Lucy And Aleta: I Aleta: How do you maintain your flow of creativity day to day? Jeanette Kauffman: So it really depends. There are days where I just don't. I'll it out there. There are days where I just don't. And it Aleta: Fair. Jeanette Kauffman: sucks there are days where I'll be like, ⁓ there are days when I will write 10 episodes of a vertical script and there are days that I will write no episodes of a script. I mean, I also have a real job so that sometimes, know, Aleta: Yeah. Jeanette Kauffman: factors it too. But ⁓ it just depends. I try to maintain, I try to make myself right. Something every day doesn't always happen, but I try to make my I have a rule that I try to make myself write something every day As I said, there are days though where it just it's not gonna happen. So Lucy And Aleta: Fair. maybe the question, maybe, unless I come up with some new and exciting ones on the spot, but what are some of your favorite and most inspiring films? ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: a hard question. I have always been kind of more, like I would say currently, I mean if I'm talking about very currently, I would say like Red White and Royal Blue because it's queer. ⁓ I would say, I mean if I can say TV shows, would, you know, there's a few of those. ⁓ I really like, ⁓ I don't know if you guys have ever seen it. you ever, I think Lucy has seen it. ⁓ Imagine Me and You, have you ever seen it? It's a GL movie. It's old too, but I really like that movie a lot. ⁓ I really like a lot of, mean, obviously I also grew up in the Buffy era of television, so as far as, that's a huge inspiration for me, even though I don't really do fantasy. ⁓ But ⁓ I do love that. That was my show when I was a kid, so that's where I'm at. Lucy And Aleta: I love it. I love it. I love that you love Buffy and all the things I love. Jeanette Kauffman: So actually Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: when I was a kid, favorite movie was 10 Things I Hate About You, though. So try to figure that out. That was my favorite movie. I Lucy And Aleta: I hate about you. Jeanette Kauffman: cried so hard when Heath Ledger died. Like, I can't even express it to you. Like, it was crazy. But you know, that's life. So. Lucy And Aleta: That's gonna be me when Shigourney Weaver passes away, because she is my goddess. And I lost Alan Rickman already, and he was my favorite actor, and so I worry deeply. Every day. Jeanette Kauffman: You Hmm. Lucy And Aleta: So, ⁓ Nettie, ⁓ what do you envision for yourself? where you want to be in the next five years in like with what you're trying to do. You're currently trying to break into the vertical industry market. say you do. What's your vision of yourself? Jeanette Kauffman: Well, I would really like to, well, I really want to make more verticals, like that's the biggest thing. But I also, like I've been like in the very beginnings of like a little project with some people to like maybe make a queer app, which would be cool. We don't really have that, that like ready to be. made or anything yet, we're still looking for backers for that. we are like in the process of trying, like the very early stages of trying to see if we can make that happen. Because I think a queer based vertical app would be really cool. And I would want like several kinds of queer content on that if I did it. Like would want like GL and BL and maybe even like. I think it would be interesting to have like some more interesting stuff, like maybe some non-binary or even like trans content. Like we don't have that in verticals now. But ⁓ yeah, as far as like, that we're tentatively calling that Ally TV. I have no idea how far that'll get or how that project's gonna go, but we are kind of in the starts of working on that. So that's been kind of cool. And I do see myself like writing more queer verticals. I struggle because I think that one of my biggest struggles of breaking into the industry for me personally has been that I don't really want to write straight content. would. I would do it 100 % if they asked if like an app hired me and they gave me prompts and told me what to write. I would do it. But it's not where I want to be what I want to be doing. And I've been putting that out to all of the apps when I been applying, been like, look, I really prefer writing this. And maybe they just don't have a home for that right now. You know what I mean? So there's that. Aleta: Yeah, they're all very tentative about their getting into queer content, you know, sort of. Jeanette Kauffman: Although it's really happening, like there's so many, there's so, so many, like one of the things I learned at the vertical drama market is how much like they were all saying, oh no, BL is like the thing right now. So they said that multiple times throughout the course of the conference. So I thought that was kind of cool. Aleta: Then our boys should be working. Lucy And Aleta: That's right, damn it. Hiya, Evan. Jeanette Kauffman: Here's the thing though, the thing that's kind of making me, yeah, Andrew too, the thing that's kind of making me nervous about that is I'm seeing a lot of BL and those guys aren't in it. So it'll be interesting Aleta: And Andrew. Yeah. Jeanette Kauffman: to see. And I'm happy to see new actors in it, but I also think the ones that started it should be working. Like I think the ones that started it should really be getting parts too. And ⁓ I just don't know how to rectify that like within ⁓ like the thing. So there's that. But yeah, they kept saying, so I know for a fact that the Shorts app, which has never done one before, is doing a BL. I don't know many details about it, but they're definitely doing one. And I got the impression several of the people there that my drama is almost completely doing ⁓ that kind of content. ⁓ that'll be interesting to see going forward. Like, it sounded like most of their upcoming projects during the Little My Drama Pitch were queer. that's something to, ⁓ I those are all great, great things, so. Lucy And Aleta: I'm really excited about that with my drama. Actually, we like to look at their new and upcoming and half of what they're releasing is girl love. So there are five ⁓ I don't know if there's no, I think it's close to five. So I'm pretty sure my drama there everything new that's out. Half of it is queer, it looks like. ⁓ And ⁓ I'm pretty sure there's five girl loves coming out. ⁓ One just released today, ⁓ or might been the other day. It's on early access. ⁓ we are gonna try recap this actually. It's called the Summer in Between. ⁓ And we weren't sure what it was at first because it's definitely poly looked poly. I found out very quickly in the first episode that it's it cannot be poly. And it ended up being LGBT. And I l it's like one of the best ones. So I'm gonna be really excited to recap that. And Alita and I are insane. And we're like, we're free this weekend. Let's like record every day. ⁓ And then that's insane because I'm like, where are we actually gonna release the episodes? Because we're not gonna release more than twice a week, so it's just gonna be it's just gonna be crazy. Aleta: God. Lucy And Aleta: yes, no, I am glad to hear about my drama ⁓ and ⁓ releasing more queer. ⁓ gives me a lot of hope. Jeanette Kauffman: Well, they said my drama had a bunch of BL too, but they don't show it right now. Like what they're showing right now is all GL. Lucy And Aleta: And that's okay. And that is okay. Jeanette Kauffman: Because nobody has it but them, pretty much. Aleta: Yeah. Lucy And Aleta: I know, well I'm excited there's a few others. We'll have the shot at love coming out and then but we didn't really have anything before that. It is pretty much my drama. Jeanette Kauffman: They also said that Candy Jar has one. just haven't, ⁓ they haven't released it yet. That was something else that came out during the conference is Candy Jar has a GL. Lucy And Aleta: Yes, I can't wait. I'm so excited. Jeanette Kauffman: So yeah. Lucy And Aleta: okay, did have a follow-up question. You talked a little bit about it, but can discuss, ⁓ you know, with what you're comfortable, some more of the challenges that you've been experiencing ⁓ trying to break into the vertical industry? Jeanette Kauffman: So it's been harder than I really, not necessarily harder than I thought it would be. I still think it's probably easier than Hollywood, but it's not been super, super easy. I have put out... I've applied for RealShorts job, like remote scriptwriter jobs, 6,000 times. So if RealShorts listening to this and they're interested in a BL scriptwriter, come on guys, like, message me back. They even, Lucy And Aleta: She's right there. Do it. Jeanette Kauffman: they haven't even messaged back. Like it's not even like they, they don't, it's not, they don't even acknowledge that I've applied. And then like ⁓ one time got a message from them that their pool of applicants was very large and that they would get back to me, ⁓ get back me at some point in time with like an aunt, but then they never have. And we're talking, this has been months and months and months. So I'm gonna say that either they don't want me ⁓ or ⁓ pool so big that it's gonna take them a year to figure out like that they do want me. ⁓ I've kind of just and it's funny because they keep reposting their job listing so I keep just reapplying for it over and over again. So if they ever if they decide they they they change their minds, you know, but yeah, so that was one of the things and then I I've sent my script off to a couple different apps. One app in particular, I did not like their response, but most of the most of the apps have been nice. They just most of them honestly have just never even replied to me. It's not even that I'm not getting like, I'm getting, your stuff's crap. Well, I would like it if they said, oh, your stuff's crap. They don't even do that. They don't even acknowledge that they ever received it. So it's like, okay, so where do I go now? You know what I mean? So I started trying to do the contests. I made it to the semi-finals of the Drama Box Contest. I have some questions about that because I discovered that no queer scripts made it into the finals of the Drama Box Contest, so I don't know if that was a factor or if they just didn't like my stuff. I have no answer to that. I will say that the version of the script I submitted to the Drama Box Contest was not as finished as the current version is. just wanted to submit it. I just to get something submitted. ⁓ Vertigo drama, the LA, so then I was on Film Freeway, which I can see that is place where have, they have contests and things, and I saw this Vertigo vertical drama pitch competition ⁓ for the LA vertical drama market. At that time, I didn't really know what it was, ⁓ but went ahead and submitted my script to it. and I was one of the 12 people chosen. I'm under the understanding that there was a lot of people that submitted scripts, so I think it was pretty cool that I got picked. I was actually really excited at that event because there was actually two BLs that were presented in the 12. So they were very open to that. They were not... I don't have an answer about Drama Box. I'm not judging them. They made their choice. But what I'm saying is they didn't pick any queer scripts. So I don't know if that was a factor or ⁓ I know that... ⁓ So I've, like I said, I've just been... Yeah, I've been sort of trying to figure out what to do next now. I do have... ⁓ I do have a very lovely person that has offered to help me a lot. And we will see how that goes. I don't want to say who that is, but I have a very lovely human that has offered to help me a lot with it. So we will see how that goes. ⁓ And yeah, if there's anybody out there that wants a BL script, feel Aleta: Ha ha Jeanette Kauffman: free to reach out to me, because I'm here for it. Lucy And Aleta: She She's got two complete, but she actually has other ideas. Jeanette Kauffman: I have four. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. And and and there's there's ⁓ do you have d four total or four more on top of the two? Jeanette Kauffman: There's three more on top of the two, so I guess it's five now. Lucy And Aleta: Was one of them the Riley and Evan one I want? I want so we're gonna add to six here. So Jeanette Kauffman: but it can be. So that's Aleta: No. Jeanette Kauffman: idea, not mine, but we did talk about it. We had like a whole conversation about it. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah, well no, we talked about it. Okay. So we did talk about we did. I I said I d I'm I've I have ample amount of time and I will help you write this if you're up for it. And I I don't know Aleta: You do not ample amount of time. Jeanette Kauffman: i was thinking to myself when she said that i'm like my god girl you don't have any time at all Lucy And Aleta: No, no, and it's because everybody's releasing all the queer content and you know what? That's okay. Keep going, apps. Make us suffer because I it feels good. I want to suffer and be bare. Jeanette Kauffman: You had two released today and one of them was a complete and total surprise, so... Lucy And Aleta: Yes, ⁓ Well they both group kind of surprises. Like The Girl Love wasn't supposed to release for a week, and I realized I forgot my drama does early access, and I got to see it Jeanette Kauffman: and Lucy And Aleta: before. so is what's really interesting. But let's talk about Evan a little bit, guys, just because we like to talk about Evan on every podcast if we possibly can. ⁓ And anyway, so Evan and Riley did a good short together recently, and we don't know what it is, but I think they're both supporting characters in it. Jeanette Kauffman: They are both definitely supporting characters in it. ⁓ I think Tess is the lead, just based on some pictures that I saw. I don't know if you guys know who that is. She's a very famous vertical drama actress. Lucy And Aleta: Yes, yes. And I did see that and she ⁓ gosh, what was it? I saw some of the BTS and it just like hit me because they were in some of the BTS. Jeanette Kauffman: that you wanted Riley and Evan in a. Lucy And Aleta: Evan together. They look good together. I never thought about it. So things that we know ⁓ is Riley has trying to break into BL's his whole vertical Jeanette Kauffman: Yes. Lucy And Aleta: career and no one ever hires him. ⁓ And I also got it confirmed, he's never a lead in a vertical. He's been doing supporting for like two or three years. Jeanette Kauffman: Right. Yeah, I can't believe that ⁓ Nottingham has doing only like, fricking ⁓ supporting roles. crazy because he's a very talented actor, so. Lucy And Aleta: And he's a filmmaker and he's produced and he's written and he's starred in like so many things already just outside of the vertical world. ⁓ And ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: and he's married to Declan Clifford, so. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: yes, they are the Aleta: Mm-hmm. Lucy And Aleta: cutest husbands in the world. ⁓ And so I kinda wonder, when I saw them together, I I was like, they actually look really good together. And ⁓ I think they ⁓ to be honest, I they only do like a comedy, potentially. Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ yeah, it'd have to be funny. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. ⁓ But they're both comedians. ⁓ Like they're both hilarious. Like it would be really good. So anyway, I have a Delulu thought and Delulu dream that when Netty's done with her millions of scripts that she already has, like maybe you know, we could talk about Nevin and Riley one. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, well I have one that I have to finish for Alita because she read the first five episodes of it and informed me I had to finish it. So ⁓ I to finish that one. ⁓ Jesus Christ. ⁓ Aleta: Another idea, actually. Last well Lucy And Aleta: Mine first. Aleta: well, you know, everyone's ⁓ you ⁓ with with ⁓ Princess First Love heading for million, ⁓ you know, we're all wanting a part two ⁓ of that. However, it occurred to me ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Mm-hmm. Aleta: another thing we've been asking for ⁓ is Greg and Andrew as ⁓ So ⁓ princess ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: Yes. Jeanette Kauffman: Okay. Lucy And Aleta: They would be good vampires. I Aleta: ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: they Lucy And Aleta: feel it. Jeanette Kauffman: would be good vampires. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: I feel it. ⁓ we're keeping this girl busy. Well, and now I just have a vision of like Netty with like seven or eight complete BL scripts and just be like, take your pick, dudes, take your pick, come on. but no, it's really cool. Do you have more questions, Alita? I think I mean I might have more, but you go. Aleta: You go ahead if you have more questions and I'll just jump in if I think of something. I'm not Lucy And Aleta: No, go. You haven't thought you haven't thought of anything? I was I was counting on you. Honestly, we're doing pretty good. We can wrap up. Aleta: I had a migraine this morning and my brain is just mush honestly. So Lucy And Aleta: Mushies. Okay. so ⁓ Nettie, we are so grateful that you were our first ⁓ And was the experience Jeanette Kauffman: Mm-hmm. Lucy And Aleta: painful or painless? Jeanette Kauffman: It's painless. It's good. Lucy And Aleta: Woo-hoo! ⁓ We are so excited. I have to that ⁓ these last few months that I've gotten to know you and learn about you, I'm so grateful that we do live very close to each other. It's been ⁓ really inspiring seeing how you care about Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ huh. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ certain things the vertical industry. ⁓ She didn't really talk about it, but something that is very important to her is moving away from ⁓ the problematic parts of the verticals. Jeanette Kauffman: Right, that's very important to me. Lucy And Aleta: Exactly. And you've talked about, ⁓ you know, there's things that watch that look good ⁓ and then they throw in up a pregnant woman with a baseball bat. Jeanette Kauffman: Right, and I don't understand why we're beating up a pregnant woman with a baseball bat. It's just wrong. And trying to make them miscarry. Like, that was the worst ad I have ever seen in my life. Like, I was crying from that ad. Like, and this is just not okay. And so, like, it's very interesting though, because I think it's going to be harder than we realize to break away from those things, because what the vertical apps are really want and it's very funny because like I learned a lot of this, this in the, when I was at the convention, like exactly how they view, like how you write a script. So every 10 episodes, 10 to 13 episodes, depending on the length of the vertical, and even some, some apps that do really short like Candy Jar do five. But they expect it to be what they call an ad cycle, which is they can use these 10 episodes or these 13 episodes as an ad. And what the cycles are is basically like you get close to in the first 10 episodes, you get close to the goal and then you break it again, right? Obviously we see this in verticals all the time, like as writing, as a writing technique. And then the next 10 episodes, you get a little closer to that goal. and then they break it again and they do that, that's how they want them written. So the problem with this is that that's the clickbaity stuff that we're, and that's really what the apps want. They want these to be written in that way. So you have to figure out ways to write them in that way that aren't so shocking and bloody and gross. You know, I don't really watch straight verticals very much and it's because of the content in them. I feel that a lot of them are very, very offensive to the female people in them. So. Lucy And Aleta: It is, and I feel like you said earlier verticals are like soap operas, and I've heard people describe that. I've heard people even generalize us, right? The fans. They're like they're all forty to sixty year old housewives. Now, ⁓ is there some validity to Sure, they're absolutely yeah, three of us. But Jeanette Kauffman: Look at the three of us. Lucy And Aleta: the thing is, is that there are other people who are watching them ⁓ and yeah, and I've heard ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: ⁓ for sure. Lucy And Aleta: From I don't I don't know if I've heard from actors or other fans, but how some apps are trying to break into the male market Jeanette Kauffman: Mm-hmm. Lucy And Aleta: because it's primarily a female market. And so that's what I feel like messed with the wrong nerd was. ⁓ Is they took a a script that was already made. It's usually the females who are the leads. They flipped them to male, and they made it like humor. And so I really struggled with parts of that script. Like I can and the and the vertical. Like there were things I loved. I loved Buddy, I loved Evan, and I love Ben Armstrong. Like they were fabulous. ⁓ But without that would have been the most miserable experience of my life to watch that. And it's because they were relying on the most outlandish ⁓ like things they could possibly do. And there was gross boy humor in it. And then I've noticed like real short and that that one's really popular by the way too. Like a lot of people really like you mess with the wrong nerd. ⁓ but I feel like I've real short Jeanette Kauffman: I also was with you on that. did not necessarily love You Messed the Wrong Nerd. It was not my favorite, but I mean, I love it for Evan. I'm happy for Evan. Lucy And Aleta: He was the best part I mean he was hilarious. And like I love Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, he was hilarious. Lucy And Aleta: yeah, he's that's the only villain of his that I like. The other villains he's played are terrifying to me and make me want to pee my pants because he's very effective at it. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Yes, yes, think that, yeah, go ahead. Aleta: You know, it's sorry. ⁓ I was just thinking, you know, it's interesting given that it is predominantly women watching verticals, at least at this point, ⁓ why there so much ⁓ misogyny and against women? Because you would think that women would not want to watch that. How are those how are those verticals so popular? I mean ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: because there are women that want to watch it, ⁓ But the thing, so like something else they were talking about was that their goal is so... ⁓ It started just like television. Apparently television when it was first started was all housewives in their houses watching TV because they were the ones that were home during the day and the men weren't. So that was what TV originally was. And then over time it evolved to have this big audience of lots of different things. And they said that's kind of their goal. Like they started with women just like television and they're eventually going to branch out. they said, there's like people considering doing kids verticals. Aleta: I was just thinking that as you said that. Like, imagine the iPad kids with vertical s that are that are geared to kids. Jeanette Kauffman: movies. Lucy And Aleta: I can't so when I think about that, Aleta: Wow. Lucy And Aleta: because ⁓ I I I have an alpha, right? Netty I both have alphas, ⁓ gen alphas, ⁓ and that is the iPad kid generation and I ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Mm-hmm. Lucy And Aleta: very hard to ⁓ limit ⁓ what she has, ⁓ YouTube I remember having that heavily restricted and somehow shorts still got through and ⁓ ⁓ made her crazy. Like I luckily I I caught it really fast, but that's basically what the verticals are. They are shorts Jeanette Kauffman: Bye. Lucy And Aleta: and each one ends on some kind of cliffhanger. And yeah, it is a dopamine hit. ⁓ I ⁓ gosh, ⁓ this is cool. So I don't do you guys ever get clips from the buzz on your social media? ⁓ he it the podcast. Jeanette Kauffman: The podcast, yes, I know. I've heard of him, yes, but I no idea. Aleta: Yeah. I've heard of it, but no. Lucy And Aleta: Okay, so he ⁓ recently interviewed ⁓ who ⁓ didn't anything about Felix. He won Best Villain at the Vertical Drama Love Awards. ⁓ And ⁓ didn't anything about him, but I had seen a vertical ⁓ on Drama recently that he starred in. It was so good. It was like when the Moon wears the crown or something like that. It was super good. ⁓ And anyway, now I'm like followed him and understand like he's a good actor. And he should be in a BL, by the way. Like, he would do really good with a lot of these guys. I don't know if he wants to be, but just saying. but he went on the podcast and there's some clips of where he's actually talking about the clickbait. And he's talking about ⁓ the ⁓ what it's like to our brains. Like, I actually really want to listen to the episode because what is it gonna do to us as adults? I don't know. You know, does it feed more into our ADHD? Like, I don't know. Jeanette Kauffman: think about what it would do to the kids then. What it would do to the adults. Think about what it would do if they really do a kids vertical app. I mean I can see a kids vertical app being very successful. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: Yep. I wonder if that's why DramaWave did their AI kitten thing. Jeanette Kauffman: Yeah, DramaWave did an AI kitten vertical. Aleta: Seen it. ⁓ my gosh. Jeanette Kauffman: It's their app. They did an AI kitten vertical. Like, it's got kittens as the main characters, dude. Like, when I saw it, I was like, this cannot be real. So I like literally went and looked on the app and sure enough, it's real. ⁓ They have, it's like kittens playing football. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. So Jen Cooper brought it up too. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Hahahaha Aleta: Water boy with kittens. Lucy And Aleta: there you go. Waterboy with kittens. Jeanette Kauffman: I don't think it's quite water boy with kittens, but I think there's a girl and a boy kitten. Aleta: No. Lucy And Aleta: Yeah. You know, I feel like here's thing. I feel like the apps did this all wrong. They got greedy with the AI. Because I think if the apps had started with things ⁓ that could never possibly be made with real people and their budgets, like there is one out there like a mermaid man, okay? Fair. Maybe we could start having that discussion. If they were starting to just bleed those in, like let's have water boys kittens. ⁓ They're not gonna get real live kittens to make Waterboy, okay? Let's get a mermaid dude who's in love with another dude. Okay, and you're slowly trickling him in and you're using it for things that you could never possibly do? Sure, maybe the response would have been less aggressive from fans. But what they did is they're like, we're gonna take everything you already love, like my secret agent husband, and make Jeanette Kauffman: and Naked AI. Lucy And Aleta: it AI. We're like, you already made my secret agent husband. the frick frack ⁓ are you sitting there? making it AI and it's scary because a couple of actors have reported on social media, that's my likeness. ⁓ What the are you doing? And they have to get legal people involved. Jeanette Kauffman: So yeah, iDrama specifically was making, they basically made cartoons that literally featured, mean like one of the actors, they even like used his tattoos. And it's the original soundtrack from his vertical that he made and it's... basically they're calling them tunes and they're like, they're cartoon versions of the same vertical that was already made identical because they even use the soundtrack. But they're actually tuning these people's likenesses even and they didn't tell them. They aren't paying them for that. Like he said, my tattoo is my intellectual property. I actually own that. I designed it. And the fact that you like literally mapped it onto your little AI cartoon person is not acceptable. So. Lucy And Aleta: No, it's not. And I think that the apps are making a giant mistake. Like when I really break it down logically, because AI is so much of like the Wild West, there are no regulations, I think there would have been better ways to approach. So my understanding right now, and people can email us if we're wrong, but My understanding is real short is trying hard to not go to AI, but they do have some out. And when they do, it's labeled AI. And I don't know any app that's doing that besides them. And I'm drama pops, candy jar, and my drama have no AI, as far as I know. And we don't see any hints that that's gonna change. And so I think about how where am I gonna spend my money? And so I've been pretty loud about. Who I have a year's subscription to. I have a year's subscription to Candy Jar. I have a year's subscription to real short. And I will never have a year's subscription to Good Short until they start releasing Human BL. And if they start doing it again, I will subscribe for a year. I almost subscribe to DramaWave, but we recently found out that they're overturning almost 80% AI. And that's what we were worried about with Flareflow. So yeah. ⁓ Aleta: Well, I mean they just we just saw that w when ⁓ just before we released Drive Him Wild, they a poster up and it had changed the title to Tamed by My Hockey Doctor, which were a threw us into a little bit of a tizzy. And then that went away, went back to Drive Him Wild, but now they have Tamed by My Hockey Doctor, which is AI. ⁓ And so it's presumably the same based on the same script again? Because it's No, absolutely not, you know. And I mean that's that's the only way we can combat it is to not give them a penny, right? If they're doing this. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: I won't turn it on to find out, so I refuse to turn it on to find out. Yeah, I say, and I'm gonna put this out there and then we can do this, we can ⁓ end or do whatever we need to do here, but I'm gonna say this really quick because I it's important. ⁓ Aleta: Mm-hmm. Jeanette Kauffman: So when I was at the event, I want to say before I, I'm going to preface this by saying that I was really grateful to the event for giving me my pitch and they did a great job and I don't want to like dog them in any way, or form. But they did have an entire lab in there that was all learning about how to make AI verticals. And they talked a lot about how like they're doing really cool things with AI. Now all the apps were, saying things like, ⁓ well, we're not getting rid of real people either. Like, we're gonna, it's gonna be both. They were saying they had no, like all of them said they have no, that were there. Drama Wave wasn't there, and neither was Flareflow, so I can't speak to those two. But they were saying like, we have no plans to eliminate AI. But we, or not AI, mean real people, but we also are not gonna not. do AI verticals, and they don't have shame about it. They were like, look, they kind of said, we don't care about the fan response, we're gonna do it. ⁓ And they all said that they have a very strong, they plan to do it as well. Now, a lot of them are only doing it with things that they can't do, ⁓ Like Lucy Aleta: I mean the problem is, and I mean it is a big problem, is that the the like I say, the main way we can combat it is to not give them any money, but unfortunately there's a lot of people all over the world who don't care. And they're still gonna give them money, right? Lucy And Aleta: No, I agree. I I was thinking about something when you you were speaking, Nettie, that for another thing we can do to combat is actually what we're already doing. So there are fan pages out for the actors that we love. There are edits that are being made. There are ⁓ an army of people, especially in the queer world. Shut up, that was on ⁓ But I'm keeping ⁓ That was on But I'm keeping it. ⁓ That was on but I'm keeping it. ⁓ I love it. ⁓ Haha. I think knows. Aleta: An army, you say? Jeanette Kauffman: Did you see my arms? Did you see my eyes? I was like, ⁓ shit. If Evan ever listens to this, he'll now figure it out. He'll know exactly who it is. Lucy And Aleta: think he knows. He's know. ⁓ I I'll take this out. Jeanette Kauffman: If he thinks it's you, I don't think he even knows about me. I don't think he has a clue it's me. Lucy And Aleta: I don't think he has a clue it's you, but I think he was shocked that he knew there were two people ⁓ and think he will be surprised that it's you. I think he's probably very convinced that it's probably me. Yeah. Well Jeanette Kauffman: It's you. He probably knows it's you. was thinking the same thing. And what's funny is the most unhinged thing on there I made. Lucy And Aleta: Yes It's so true. It's so true. It's been fun so I do feel that ⁓ one way we continue to combat everything is ⁓ by being supportive and of the actors ⁓ and expressing the apps that hey this is what we and these are the actors that we want. Now have the ⁓ Okay. Have the three of us specifically had a whole lot of luck with that in the last few months? No, but we're still trying. We might just die trying. But I can throw out the Waterboy fans because the Waterboy response when that vertical first came out, to me it was equal to Succ'em, but there was a difference of the apps. Good short didn't seem to care as much about the response of Succum, which was giant and actually created a legitimate fandom. Right. and I think the difference was the apps. Real short is different than good short, and real short, I have to plug them. They have been incredibly supportive of queer content. I like how they're conducting themselves and ⁓ figuring out how to handle AI. I think they're being respectful to all the actors. And they're being respectful to the fans. And I just have to say that if there is an app you're ever considering subscribing to, that's the one. Because so far they're conducting themselves really well. Jeanette Kauffman: Well, and we have been repeatedly told through sources that they actually are looking at what is being put out there and deciding future things based off that. We've been told that people have received the parts that they received because of the fan response to ⁓ their work. So, you know, I do think that that's something to say to them. Lucy And Aleta: I agree. So I think that's how we keep combating it, guys. If there's a vertical actor that you love, support them. And there's all sorts of ways to do it. You can s Jeanette Kauffman: I don't care if they're straight, I don't care if they're doing straight content either, you need to support them. If you want them to keep working, they need to have support. Lucy And Aleta: Exactly, because the industry, the film industry, has been a hot mess since the strikes, right? Like there's been all sorts of uncertainty and that's how verticals were able to rise in America, right? They needed people needed to work and there's been so much a discussion, middle class actors have been pushed out. ⁓ This is what the class actor is doing. Jeanette Kauffman: well, like I didn't, I mean, during the strikes, didn't work for ⁓ seven months. I'm, yeah. Lucy And Aleta: And that's scary and that's terrifying. Yeah. Aleta: Wow. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ And so, ⁓ you know, what was saying yeah, it doesn't matter if they're straight or queer, ⁓ get ⁓ what we can give ⁓ because the industry is such wild, wild west at this point, there are people listening and there are people paying attention. so that's what we can kind of Jeanette Kauffman: That's what we can do. ⁓ Yeah. Aleta: Just keep Lucy And Aleta: Yep. Aleta: plugging away. Run our little fan pages and ⁓ make our podcast and ⁓ and you don't have to do that. You don't have to devote your life to it like we have. ⁓ Jeanette Kauffman: Well, I'm not making a podcast. I don't have time to make a podcast, especially if you guys all keep wanting more scripts, because I can only do so much. Aleta: Hey, you are doing the most important work. But I mean, Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Yeah, you're pretty busy. I agree. Jeanette Kauffman: Well. Lucy And Aleta: ⁓ Aleta: people who don't want to get involved to that extent, just ⁓ sharing ⁓ the actors ⁓ content and their posts and ⁓ them interacting with helps to make them more too. Right? Even just commenting on their Instagram posts helps to push their posts up make them more visible. We're we're no strangers to comment section around here. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: Ha ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: No. Well, am ⁓ infamous going in the comment section on, ⁓ when posts something queer and I go in their comment section and yell at all the people that were homophobic because I'm ⁓ really, bad about that and I know I shouldn't do it, but I do it every ⁓ Aleta: Yeah. Yeah. I've gone in and yelled at all the Spanish ones too, 'cause I can. Jeanette Kauffman: Because you speak Spanish so you can yell at the Spanish ones. Aleta: Yeah. So you know, we gotta we gotta do what we can do. Keep supporting them. Lucy And Aleta: That's right. That's right. Well, I think it's a good time to wrap up if there's no final questions. so thank you again, Netty, for coming on. We appreciate you so much. ⁓ This was actually really fun, and I'm really hoping that it does turn out how I'm hoping because ⁓ I think everything's sounding really good. So exactly. Aleta: Ha ha ha ha. Jeanette Kauffman: think it's fun. I think it's fun. Aleta: Knock on wood. ⁓ Lucy And Aleta: I know. So why don't you take us away, Alita? Aleta: Well, thank you for joining us today, besties. We'll see you next time. Bye, besties. Lucy And Aleta: Five besties Jeanette Kauffman: Bye besties!