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Atlantis Debate! (Feat. Enigma Seeker) · Cosmic Peach

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I got a very exciting
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Speaker 4: episode tonight. We got a Enigma secret coming on with us,
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Speaker 4: Peter aka Enigma Seeker, and he approached me. He wanted
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Speaker 4: to come on and talk about Atlantis because it's a
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, man for sure.
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Speaker 2: Very nice.
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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Julis, thank you for making this one. You know,
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Speaker 2: She saves Christmas too? Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Christmas?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? These Everybody else.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you very much for coming on Jewels again.
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Speaker 4: Like I know, on the weekends, you're very busy man,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I try.
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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, and and Julia, I mean out of old
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Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, thank you, and thanks so much. I
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Speaker 8: always love joining for episodes like this. I love Atlantis,
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Speaker 2: Yeah all right. Now finally to the man himself, Peter
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Speaker 2: a enigma seeker, What is going on, sir? How are you?
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Speaker 4: Would you like to introduce yourself and maybe you know,
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Speaker 4: give give a little bit of your credentials or I
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Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, if you want to bring up the first lide,
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Speaker 6: we can, Yeah, start for a little intro.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So my actual academic background is landscape architecture, so that's
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Speaker 6: kind of where I learned about garden history design, and
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Speaker 6: but before that, it was really studying international studies, which
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Speaker 6: deals with like geopolitics, and I took some anthropology and
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Speaker 6: that's where I learned about Graham Hancock and Randall Carson,
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Speaker 6: which I was leaning to them at that time in
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Speaker 6: my bachelor's but in my graduate degree I started shifting
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Speaker 6: away from what they were saying after I dig a
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Speaker 6: lot deeper research into the topic of Atlantis. But originally
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Speaker 6: I was in Air Force for a little bit, say Japanese,
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Speaker 6: so I know actually probably more about Japan I do
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Speaker 6: about Egypt. I am a Catholic, so I do have
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Speaker 6: kind of a biblical worldview, but I'm more of a
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Speaker 6: kind of like an academic ethoc in the sense that
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Speaker 6: I don't you know, I'm not a younger of creationists,
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Speaker 6: or I'm not, you know, believing some of the things
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Speaker 6: that some Freemasons believe, which are carryover what some evangelicals
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Speaker 6: used to or believe in, which is more the kind
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Speaker 6: of a literal interpretation of scripture and all that. So
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Speaker 6: I'm a little more liberal on that topic. And I
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Speaker 6: also was a boy scout, so but ufology is probably
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Speaker 6: where I first started when I had my actual wu
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Speaker 6: Wu experience. So I am an eyewitness of the second kind.
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Speaker 6: I have contacted the FBI once. I have talked to
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Speaker 6: Linda multi House. I have been on now a few
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Speaker 6: times when we were helping her out cataloging a phenomenon
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Speaker 6: that the UF is producing, and that was called the
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Speaker 6: Mystery Boom phenomenon. And so far Luelsandre has not mentioned it.
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Speaker 6: I'm keeping an ear out for that to see if
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Speaker 6: he mentions that, but that might be in the future.
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Speaker 6: We'll see. But something was going on between the years
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Speaker 6: twenty eleven and twenty fourteen that caused media reports all
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Speaker 6: around the country to start popping up local media and
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Speaker 6: reach national at tension once. So that's a whole other topic.
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Speaker 6: But I addressed this on the YouTube channel Suspect Sky
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Speaker 6: Adrian's channel and he has compilation videos about UFOs and
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Speaker 6: unidentified strange noises and other paranormal things. So I've made
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Speaker 6: videos for him a few times. So that's now kind
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Speaker 6: of where I'm shifting. I'm not making as many videos anymore.
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Speaker 6: Back to college, I did, but I'm no longer in college,
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Speaker 6: so I'm working now as a landscape designer and I
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Speaker 6: live in Saint Louis, Missouri, but I did graduate from
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Speaker 6: University of Iowa and Iowa State.
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Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, thank you, that's wild you met a Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that's the lady with the commut relationships.
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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah. Yeah, Linda is still kicking. And she actually
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Speaker 6: got a touched a sample of the act some of
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Speaker 6: those UAP materials that Gary Nolan's mentioned in others. So
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Speaker 6: that's pretty interesting that she got touched that he's he's
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Speaker 6: the main guy that the Pentagon is using to disclose
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Speaker 6: the whole existence of the supernatural phenomenons. And again, lou
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Speaker 6: was not privileged to this until someone went to him.
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Speaker 6: And I think that's Mike. I think it was Mullen
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Speaker 6: or what's his name, the guy that hates Trump Clapper
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Speaker 6: under the Obama administration, those higher officials, they're the ones
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Speaker 6: that kicked all this off. So you can see why
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Speaker 6: they probably didn't want Trump in power at the time.
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Speaker 6: One reason, other geopilgal reasons, of course.
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Speaker 7: Lots of reasons.
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Speaker 2: So what what got you you interested in Atlantis?
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Speaker 6: Well, again, it was more studying anthropology at the University
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Speaker 6: of Iowa, and that's where I ran Across Ran Across
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Speaker 6: and Graham Hancock of course. But also it's just like entertainment.
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Speaker 6: I mean there's a there's an anime called Nadia which
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Speaker 6: inspired Disney's Atlantis, which I loved both of those, and
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Speaker 6: I think the Japanese one did it a little bit better. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 6: I like that Disney didn't go straight to Zacharais Sitchens
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Speaker 6: style and Eric Wondanka, whereas the original anime Nadia that
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Speaker 6: inspired Atlantis, they went they were uh guy Neck Studio
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Speaker 6: was inspired by zach Reiztitian Eric Wondanica, so there was
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Speaker 6: more ancient alien route, whereas Disney did more of the
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Speaker 6: spiritual route, which is what Graham Hancock was linking to.
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Speaker 6: So I think the directors and writers they were listening
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Speaker 6: to people at Graham Hancock and Zacharizichen comparing and how
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Speaker 6: they're going to write their story.
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Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on zachariz sisition.
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Speaker 6: I'm not an ancient alien believer, and I can kind
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Speaker 6: of explain that more at the end of the slides. No,
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Speaker 6: maybe I used to be, but after experiencing this phenomenon
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Speaker 6: firsthand multiple times as a eyewitness of the second kind, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: this shit's not aliens. Wish it was, but you know
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Speaker 6: which was sexy alien girls. But now I don't think so.
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Speaker 6: I think it's a freak.
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Speaker 8: So I think you and I might be in agreeance
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Speaker 8: on that. I mean, I think people are seeing something.
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Speaker 8: I think there's obviously some phenomenon going on. I don't
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Speaker 8: necessarily think it's fucking et, but they are seeing something,
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Speaker 8: you know, they're seeing fack in.
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Speaker 6: Some capacadd Yeah, yeah, there's there's something going on, which
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Speaker 6: David Grush is correct to say there are biologics. But
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Speaker 6: there's a reason why they're avoiding the specific term of
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Speaker 6: extraterrestrials in the in the DLD document, if you read it,
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Speaker 6: they're avoiding that. But there is one clue that David
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Speaker 6: Grush alluded to, and that's the phrase interdimensional. So, as
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Speaker 6: a Catholic, when I hear that that's what I'm I
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Speaker 6: think angels or demons or jins or what Japanese would
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Speaker 6: call yokai or kami, so something a lot deeper than
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Speaker 6: just you know, aliens in spaceships.
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Speaker 5: Do you not think that these spiritual beings could take
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Speaker 5: on these physical forms though, or maybe inhabit something of
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Speaker 5: like some kind of biological form.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what Catholics and muslim believe for over two
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Speaker 6: thousand years, and the Egyptians that believe that. So yes,
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Speaker 6: they physically can take avatar forms, but in limited time
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Speaker 6: and space. So they're basically the gods of ancient Pazz.
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Speaker 6: But they're not all powerful. They do have limitations because ultimately,
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Speaker 6: as the Tamaism Plato explains, there is a cosmic god
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Speaker 6: that keeps order over the lesser gods or the word
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Speaker 6: gods and angels and demons are basically the same thing.
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Speaker 6: They're just a semantically different thing based off cultural terminologies.
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Speaker 6: Like the word angel means messenger but also can refer
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Speaker 6: to watchers, but they're more like militaristic terms, like you know,
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Speaker 6: a literal messenger from the military goes out and sends
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Speaker 6: a message. They're using militaristic language in their theology, and
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Speaker 6: that's how the ancient world worked because there was no
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Speaker 6: separation of church and state in ancient times.
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Speaker 8: I'm already on board.
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Speaker 6: Yes to everything.
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Speaker 7: Hermis was considered the messenger of Zeus that he carried
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Speaker 7: the caduces Well, the caduceis was based off of this
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Speaker 7: rod that the messengers who observed battlefield would carry so
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Speaker 7: that people would kill them. So they had this big
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Speaker 7: rod with these white streamers off of the thing. And
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Speaker 7: so he was the angel of the god Zeus as
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Speaker 7: well as these messengers on the battlefield being the angels
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Speaker 7: of that king, whoever it is, commanding the armies.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Hermes is believed. Some scholars argue that I
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Speaker 6: maybe the former doctor michaels Heiser would argue that Hermis
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Speaker 6: or the archangel Michael derived from the inspiration of Hermes
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Speaker 6: motif and from Hermes, the Greek since got that inspiration
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Speaker 6: from Anubis. So it does go back to the land
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Speaker 6: of Atlantis, is what I argue. Atlantis.
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Speaker 5: Most people would connect Hermes with both, but that's the first.
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Speaker 2: Time I've heard.
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Speaker 6: Yeah again, I wouldn't get too attached to these place
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Speaker 6: these names on so called angels, because real angels. We
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Speaker 6: have no idea what the hell their names are, right,
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Speaker 6: We get these titles like Gabriel or no, so Rafayel
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Speaker 6: for example, it just means the healing angel or it's
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Speaker 6: a title phrase. It's not meant to be like literally
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Speaker 6: his name is Rafayel. No, there's many iterations of that.
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Speaker 2: That's why not magic. He's known for being a healing angel.
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Speaker 6: Because what you just said, Yeah, so when you invoke,
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Speaker 6: like if Catholics invoke that, some caps might take it
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Speaker 6: literal like he's literally named that, But it doesn't really
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Speaker 6: matter that whatever interdimensional beings around you, they might heal
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Speaker 6: you from you know, I don't know, kidney stones or something,
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Speaker 6: if you have real severe pain, if depending on your
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Speaker 6: spiritual state, they could enter. I think Madam Blovotsky and
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Speaker 6: other occultists believe that that, yes, you can summon angels
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Speaker 6: through psionics is when now what they're calling it, but
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Speaker 6: it's basically prayer meditation.
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Speaker 2: Ug all right, so uh we can go next time?
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Speaker 4: Su Oh, that's right, I'm controlling it my beads.
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Speaker 9: There we go.
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Speaker 6: So I guess getting I had a falling away from
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Speaker 6: you know, Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock mainly because you know,
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Speaker 6: as I studied at McBride Hall at the University of Iowa,
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Speaker 6: was on the upper left hand that building. That's why
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Speaker 6: I first heard about their names. I'm like, oh, my
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Speaker 6: professor actually mentioned them, so that was interesting. So after
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Speaker 6: he mentioned them, I dug deep and I started to
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Speaker 6: kind of fall for it, and I started to believe
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Speaker 6: that maybe Atlantis is basically North and South America. But
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Speaker 6: then I realized, uh, that's a mistake, because it was
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Speaker 6: basically Christopher Columbus assuming that maybe that's Atlantis. And he's
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Speaker 6: one of the first to promote this idea, so that's
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Speaker 6: why he named the first islands the Antilles or and Tilias,
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Speaker 6: and from there, since Columbus set that president others like
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Speaker 6: father Charles Brazio de Borgia. I can't say he's a
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Speaker 6: French dude, but he's the first one that really fall
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Speaker 6: in love of the Mayan culture. He was a Catholic
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Speaker 6: priest and archaeologist, and he did a lot of work
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Speaker 6: on Mayan history and really trying to analyze that. I
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Speaker 6: think Dan de d Dunker has mentioned him in one
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Speaker 6: of his videos and details, so I do alaud him
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Speaker 6: for that. But from there. You know, he influenced ignatious
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Speaker 6: Donnelly and Ignatia. Donald was politically motivated more so, and
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Speaker 6: he went to put his nationalist place attachment of Atlantis
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Speaker 6: in the Americas, or at least maybe in the Central Atlantic,
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Speaker 6: because there was a basic misconception between Atlantic Ocean and
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Speaker 6: Atlantic Sea. So that's where the confusion's coming about. People
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Speaker 6: thinking it's literally in the Atlantic Ocean. But that's not
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Speaker 6: the Greek's perspective at the time of you know, Solon,
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Speaker 6: or the time of even Plato some sense, So there's
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Speaker 6: some misconceptions on. You know, Graham and Random are kind
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Speaker 6: of using Atlantis as more of a concept to represent
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Speaker 6: a lost civilization befour hours before the Ice Age. And
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Speaker 6: that's fine. And I told Graham once on Facebook, you know,
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Speaker 6: it would be good to not use the name Atlantis
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Speaker 6: in his in his documentary Ancient Apocalypse, and he actually did,
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Speaker 6: surprisingly avoid using that name because I think he understands
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Speaker 6: now that Okay, historically, when you look into the deeper
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Speaker 6: brains of Plato, it's pretty clear it has nothing to
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Speaker 6: really do with the Americas or but you know, so
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Speaker 6: now it's people have broadened the term Atlantis just means
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Speaker 6: something something wesation past. And no thanks to Hollywood too.
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Speaker 6: It's really Hollywood that brainwashed a lot of people.
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Speaker 7: To give you a little bit of pushback.
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Speaker 6: Though.
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Speaker 7: We can't forget about Francis Bacon's book The New Atlantis,
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Speaker 7: which really did inspire a lot of Founding fathers and
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Speaker 7: how they wanted to form the country.
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Speaker 6: And you know, yes, because right, yeah, because that's why
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Speaker 6: an well, the Freemasons, Yeah, when they when the early
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Speaker 6: Freemasons came to America, so they really thought that the
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Speaker 6: Americas was that continent that Plato was speaking about. But
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Speaker 6: there are simply some translation errors at that early period
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Speaker 6: before Benjamin Jowad updated that. But even Benjamin Jowa or
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Speaker 6: the British translator, got some basic things wrong. But the night,
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Speaker 6: I'd say ninety five percent or more is correct. But
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Speaker 6: there's a few things like is it nine thousand or
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Speaker 6: is it nine hundred? Or do you divided by the
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Speaker 6: three seasons that'smatched in the Middle East, or is it
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Speaker 6: by the lunar calendar? So there's some confusion on the translations.
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Speaker 6: And more likely I'm gonna have to blame US Catholics
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Speaker 6: for that because of probably a bunch of monks in
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Speaker 6: Italy or France that messed up some translations that ended
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Speaker 6: up eventually getting to England. So over time people thought
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Speaker 6: when when the Romans named or when the Romans emphasized
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Speaker 6: that the straitcherche of Bulture is this and this new
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Speaker 6: pillars of Hercules, everyone assumed it was outside that. But
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Speaker 6: when you actually read Tomatos and Critaias, it's saying it's
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Speaker 6: subdued inside the pillars, but in the they're denoting a
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Speaker 6: different pillars than in Tamais, So there's two pillar locations.
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Speaker 6: And that's according to George sarn Titi's and I think
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Speaker 6: it's Johanna James who promoted Jack Kelly's documentary Atlanti's Puzzle,
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Speaker 6: and George Santezi's was actually one of my researchers, and
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Speaker 6: he is correct to realize that Atlantis does have something
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Speaker 6: to do with literally North Africa. So credit to Jimmy
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Speaker 6: from Bright Inside for figuring that out as well. Atlantis
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Speaker 6: is definitely associated to the continent of North Africa, but
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Speaker 6: not just Africa. Basically, anything that's the Middle East and
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Speaker 6: North Africa to the Greeks was Atlantis the continent, but
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Speaker 6: the island is something specific again, it might be a
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Speaker 6: translation there too. Is it island or is it oasis?
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Speaker 6: How do we translate that from Greek to French to
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Speaker 6: Italian whatever in English? So there might be some mistakes
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Speaker 6: along there on how Plato is emphasizing the idea of
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Speaker 6: an island. Is he saying island in a poetic sense
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Speaker 6: or is he saying it actually is like an oasis
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Speaker 6: because Egypt was surrounded by sand, a sea of sand.
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Speaker 7: Well, there's also the esoteric angle of Tomais and Critius,
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Speaker 7: which seems to get a lot more attention from the
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Speaker 7: academics then the actual there could be one, you know,
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Speaker 7: in reality. So if you're that, yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're correct. I was gonna show you something. Wait
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Speaker 6: do you see that link down there?
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Speaker 2: Oh go back?
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Speaker 6: Can you click on that and you can open that?
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Speaker 6: And I think it was Father Charles that he kind
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Speaker 6: of presents some esoteric ideas. Yeah, and click on that
19:35
Speaker 6: map fourteen eighty that. Yeah, so this is the map
19:39
Speaker 6: that may click it again. Oh, I don't know if
19:42
Speaker 6: you can zoom in, but in this map, this is
19:45
Speaker 6: what basically Randall, Carls and Graham Hancock are basing Atlantis
19:49
Speaker 6: on because Originally, you know, back in the old days
19:52
Speaker 6: when they wrote maps, maps were more of an artistic thing.
19:55
Speaker 6: It wasn't exactly detailed detail because they just simply didn't
19:59
Speaker 6: know how the all the exact shapes of islands and everything.
20:02
Speaker 6: But they're pretty close, you know, maybe fifty percent sixty percent,
20:05
Speaker 6: pretty accurate. But they put the Antilles or Atlantius in these.
20:11
Speaker 6: I was near the Azores, and they thought that was
20:13
Speaker 6: associated with Atlantis because at this time in the fourteenth century,
20:17
Speaker 6: some some thought that it was outside the pillars, but
20:20
Speaker 6: George Sorountisi is saying, no, it's more likely inside the pillars.
20:25
Speaker 6: And then there's another map that kind of shows why
20:27
Speaker 6: that would be. But that's that's an interesting map, I thoughts.
20:31
Speaker 6: But everything Graham Hancock ran across and believe in is
20:33
Speaker 6: based off this kind of this old map that is
20:35
Speaker 6: just saying that it has something to do with the Azores.
20:38
Speaker 6: But that's a misconception because people were still discovering new land.
20:42
Speaker 6: They just simply didn't know the translations because there was
20:45
Speaker 6: no map by Erodus. The map we see from Heradus
20:48
Speaker 6: is just made up in the eighteen hundreds, it's not
20:51
Speaker 6: he made up.
20:52
Speaker 7: Also, Hercules is a character in Greek mythology that represents
20:57
Speaker 7: their ability to expand and go out of these areas
21:01
Speaker 7: that were known to them before. So the Pillars of
21:03
Speaker 7: Hercules keep getting pushed back the more they discover in
21:07
Speaker 7: Western Europe, and a lot of people don't realize that
21:09
Speaker 7: at the time of Plato that was a very different
21:11
Speaker 7: place called the Pillars of Hercules than they are today.
21:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's multiple Pillars of Hercules locations, according to
21:18
Speaker 6: what George Santeitiz found, and he said, it's another reference
21:21
Speaker 6: to the aege and c. So if you go back,
21:24
Speaker 6: I maybe there's another map I think I have. Oh,
21:29
Speaker 6: let's see if you can go back, you go back
21:33
Speaker 6: to slides. I think the links on there. But this
21:38
Speaker 6: is an interesting map.
21:39
Speaker 2: I thought, oh yeah, yeah, I just went in a
21:43
Speaker 2: book and make it larger.
21:44
Speaker 8: Uh.
21:45
Speaker 6: I know, the original map I think is at the
21:47
Speaker 6: University of Minnesota. But yeah, this is a in a
21:50
Speaker 6: I think it's in a book. Yeah, okay, but there's yeah,
21:53
Speaker 6: it's an old photographer. Now, this is the writings of
21:57
Speaker 6: that what's his name father, the French priests of archaeologists
22:02
Speaker 6: that went to Mexico. So he's the one that started
22:04
Speaker 6: to think that Atlantis was Central America basically, and he
22:09
Speaker 6: thought that there was a connection with the Bible, and
22:11
Speaker 6: he's correct, but he started to think, you know, and
22:14
Speaker 6: there won food as the discovering new Land, and they're
22:16
Speaker 6: discovering the minds and looking at these pyramids, they're like,
22:18
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, you know, that's amazing. So he fell
22:21
Speaker 6: in love with that culture at the time and learning
22:23
Speaker 6: all about it, and he wanted to place it in
22:26
Speaker 6: Central America or have something to do with Central America.
22:28
Speaker 6: But in reality, that's when the Freemasons started to realize, Okay,
22:32
Speaker 6: maybe this is not correct. So Freemasons started to really
22:35
Speaker 6: honor Egypt more, which is why a lot of their
22:38
Speaker 6: temples are Egyptian style, because they realized in geopolitical philosophy
22:43
Speaker 6: or terms, that Egypt is the first true nation state,
22:48
Speaker 6: and that's because of the typology it has that forced
22:51
Speaker 6: it to be cohesive compared to other regions like Babylon
22:54
Speaker 6: or in China, it took a long time to consolidate power,
22:57
Speaker 6: but Egypt was considered the first true nation state, and
23:01
Speaker 6: that is why the Freemasons honored Egypt so much. Because
23:06
Speaker 6: Egypt was kind of like a symbol of America, like
23:09
Speaker 6: a new atlantischools. You know, that's that's where a lotsation.
23:16
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh.
23:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean I can't read that as French,
23:21
Speaker 6: but there are some translations. But this is an original
23:24
Speaker 6: scan copy of his book that explains. But he started this,
23:27
Speaker 6: this priest really, you know, he wasn't I mean, I
23:30
Speaker 6: don't think the Catholic Church really supported it, but he
23:34
Speaker 6: his work. At the time, they accepted it because you know,
23:37
Speaker 6: they're still discovering the new world. To them, it was
23:39
Speaker 6: all new and it was naturally the logic was, well,
23:42
Speaker 6: this is a new lost world, this is Atlantis, because
23:46
Speaker 6: they were correlating to this idea that is Atlantis loss.
23:48
Speaker 6: But when you actually read Plato, majority of Tomatoes Cortaias
23:52
Speaker 6: is not about Atlantis. Atlantis is simply the foundation example
23:57
Speaker 6: used for a broader cosmological understanding of the universe to
24:01
Speaker 6: fit to a geopolitical allegory. That's where it gets a
24:04
Speaker 6: little confusing.
24:06
Speaker 7: Right, He's talking more about the ideal state, and there's
24:10
Speaker 7: this angle that keeps popping up, is the city state
24:13
Speaker 7: versus the nation state, and those were the.
24:16
Speaker 6: Greeks hadn't really yeah, because the Greeks didn't really have
24:20
Speaker 6: a nation state, they had city states, but when they
24:22
Speaker 6: went to Egypt, there was the first nation state they
24:25
Speaker 6: encountered was Egypt. So then they were starting to question
24:28
Speaker 6: about the whole idea of geopolitics and how you form
24:32
Speaker 6: a state. What's the best way? Did Egyptians have the
24:35
Speaker 6: best way? But Egyptians tend to be more authoritarian because
24:38
Speaker 6: they're forced to buy agriculture, whereas in Greece it's a
24:42
Speaker 6: more sporadicallypirse agriculture between mountains and valleys, and it wasn't
24:46
Speaker 6: as unified, so it took more time for warfare to
24:49
Speaker 6: unify that region by force. But in Egypt was there
24:52
Speaker 6: wasn't as much warfare as like you see maybe in Babylon,
24:55
Speaker 6: because Babylon didn't have a fertile plane. As Plato describes,
24:59
Speaker 6: there was a fir tile plane. And he said on
25:01
Speaker 6: either side of this plain there were mountains. But the
25:04
Speaker 6: translation again from mountains may be partially wrong, but he
25:06
Speaker 6: says they're not very high, so he's implying that you
25:10
Speaker 6: could see across this plane. But then he says there's
25:13
Speaker 6: rivers through the plane. So I'm like, okay, so old
25:16
Speaker 6: Brichter of Straubenheind Germany is arguing another researcher. He's saying, well,
25:20
Speaker 6: maybe that's referring to a river, valley or a delta,
25:24
Speaker 6: and that's where he kind of correlate. He didn't say
25:26
Speaker 6: Egypt pacifically, but he was trying to leave it open
25:28
Speaker 6: to Okay, okay, it must be referring to some kind
25:31
Speaker 6: of natural typology of a river, and there's only a
25:33
Speaker 6: few civilizations in the Middle East that could that could
25:36
Speaker 6: be so, but people everybody thinks, you know, pillars of
25:39
Speaker 6: Bercles is a stretch of Boulta, and it's correct Plato
25:41
Speaker 6: was inferring that. But in the Timaeis or Creteus, they're
25:45
Speaker 6: referring to two different types of pillars, the Aegean Sea
25:48
Speaker 6: and then the Mediterranean. So the priest's decie is saying
25:51
Speaker 6: that you Greeks are from the little Sea and we're
25:54
Speaker 6: from the big Sea.
25:55
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:55
Speaker 6: They're trying to, like, you know, say, we're the older
25:58
Speaker 6: civilization and you're earning about your loss history from us.
26:03
Speaker 6: So that's why the Greeks are going to the Egyptians
26:05
Speaker 6: to learn about their lost history or so On's potentially
26:09
Speaker 6: we don't know if someone went to Egypt, it's not
26:10
Speaker 6: enough records, but more likely he did. It wouldn't have
26:12
Speaker 6: been that hard for him to travel over. But imagine
26:15
Speaker 6: if you're a Greek, you know, at the time of
26:16
Speaker 6: seven hundred BC, and you land in Egypt for the
26:19
Speaker 6: first time, seeing mego withic structures and temples, you would
26:21
Speaker 6: be shocked. It would be an Atlantean.
26:23
Speaker 2: Kind of world.
26:24
Speaker 6: So it sparks stories and all the trade issues in
26:28
Speaker 6: economics and politics and then.
26:30
Speaker 7: And all the major Greek thinkers had to go to
26:33
Speaker 7: Egypt to be inducted into their mysteries. And Herodotus even
26:38
Speaker 7: writes about this place. We know where it is today,
26:41
Speaker 7: but they're just not willing to excavate it. It's actually
26:44
Speaker 7: in a place that they it's like two football fields underground,
26:48
Speaker 7: and so this underground mystery school that was talked about
26:51
Speaker 7: in Herotodus was found, but they're just not excavating it.
26:55
Speaker 7: So it you know, it makes me wonder about Atlantis
26:58
Speaker 7: and all the rest of this stuff, about what's actually
27:01
Speaker 7: being kept from us and what's actually being let out.
27:04
Speaker 7: But I understand it. It's because there's a dam nearby
27:07
Speaker 7: and the entire place is flooded, so all of this
27:10
Speaker 7: underground chamber that they had is now completely you know, flooded.
27:14
Speaker 7: It's a giant sewer system and they don't want to
27:16
Speaker 7: have to mess around with all this hydrology from the
27:19
Speaker 7: dam to actually excavate. So it's frustrating.
27:22
Speaker 6: The Oswan dam.
27:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's close to it.
27:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they have moved to some of the temples,
27:28
Speaker 6: but it's it does make me one if there were
27:30
Speaker 6: a few temples they left underwater intentionally is possible, but yeah,
27:35
Speaker 6: I mean literally in modern days, we turned Egypt into
27:37
Speaker 6: Atlantis by flooding that part of the region, But the
27:40
Speaker 6: majority of the actual Atlantis, the island was the Delta,
27:44
Speaker 6: Like that was the geopetically most important locations to the Persians,
27:47
Speaker 6: to the Greeks, because that's where they got their their beer,
27:51
Speaker 6: their bread, and it's shipped up by the Phoenicians into
27:55
Speaker 6: into Greece and into the Tartessian region of Spain and Italy.
27:59
Speaker 6: We go back to the slides. I can kind of
28:01
Speaker 6: explain more.
28:05
Speaker 8: I have a quick question for you. Sure, are you
28:10
Speaker 8: familiar with Gary Wayne at all? Like the Genesis sixth guy?
28:14
Speaker 8: Are you familiar with him?
28:17
Speaker 6: Is that the paper by the CIA on Eden.
28:22
Speaker 8: No, he's like he talks a lot about what Jules,
28:25
Speaker 8: you know who I'm talking about.
28:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, I keep having a couple of people try to
28:30
Speaker 5: pressure me to get him on. I need to hit
28:32
Speaker 5: him up.
28:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's really cool. But he talks a lot about Atlantis.
28:36
Speaker 8: And one of his theories is like Atlantis was like
28:39
Speaker 8: this huge city and places like Egypt.
28:43
Speaker 5: And like the worldwide civilization. Right, maybe the capital that
28:48
Speaker 5: the island may have been the capitol or the place
28:51
Speaker 5: where you know they that's partly convened because there were
28:54
Speaker 5: twelve families I think rumored to have control of these civilizations,
28:58
Speaker 5: and the head of it being Atlas, right, this god Atlas,
29:04
Speaker 5: and then like yeah.
29:06
Speaker 8: Those places are like they're like satellite cities to Atlantis.
29:11
Speaker 9: They're like little breakaway.
29:12
Speaker 8: I'm glad you're here because you said it more, you
29:16
Speaker 8: said it better than I did. But yeah, that's basically
29:18
Speaker 8: the theory. And I think, I mean it could have legs,
29:21
Speaker 8: you know.
29:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if you make the claim too big,
29:25
Speaker 6: it becomes unrealistic to actual archaeological records. So that's where
29:30
Speaker 6: maybe he might have too much of a New Age perspective,
29:32
Speaker 6: and he makes the story bigger than it really is.
29:36
Speaker 6: And that's what that priest did, and you know it
29:38
Speaker 6: was ignacious Dolly and that priest and eventually Graham Hackle Randam,
29:42
Speaker 6: they're just they're making the story so much bigger than
29:44
Speaker 6: it really is. In reality, it all goes back to
29:48
Speaker 6: the origins of geopolitics and the origins of agriculture and history.
29:53
Speaker 6: It doesn't have anything to do with the new world
29:56
Speaker 6: of Central America or South America. So I wouldn't broad
30:00
Speaker 6: that much because we would have abundance amounts of evidence
30:03
Speaker 6: of that. If you're making such a massive claim. I
30:04
Speaker 6: don't know who this guy is, but some like you know,
30:07
Speaker 6: Exact Rights, Citenary Front Tank, and they make these stories
30:09
Speaker 6: so much bigger than it really is. And I think
30:11
Speaker 6: that's that's called the historians fallacy, where we're trying to
30:14
Speaker 6: paint our globalistic worldview to this law civilization, but in reality,
30:19
Speaker 6: you know, we would we would have found that evidence
30:21
Speaker 6: by now and wouldn't be you know, spear points and
30:24
Speaker 6: a few arrowheads. It would be very clear, you know,
30:27
Speaker 6: steel swords, petrified in stone or foundation stones or granite slabs,
30:33
Speaker 6: because you know, if you go to corporate buildings today,
30:36
Speaker 6: that a lot of them have lots of slate of
30:38
Speaker 6: granted everywhere for their buildings and their fancy lawyer offices,
30:42
Speaker 6: and you would find that stuff. It would be buried
30:44
Speaker 6: over time, and when it's buried, is actually preserved compared to.
30:48
Speaker 7: The So how much we agree and disagree with the
30:51
Speaker 7: exact same time. So I'm fully on board with the
30:54
Speaker 7: idea that there could be this Egyptian Atlantis idea, Right,
30:57
Speaker 7: I think that's that's definitely a possibility. But at the
30:59
Speaker 7: same time, I look at all of the Ogum text
31:03
Speaker 7: and all the rest of these Dolmans in North America
31:06
Speaker 7: and these other things, and I'm like, well, this kind
31:09
Speaker 7: of seems a little bit Atlantis too. I think there's
31:11
Speaker 7: probably a lot of different, uh you know, combinations or
31:15
Speaker 7: recombinations of how people went back and forth across the
31:18
Speaker 7: Atlantic that maybe didn't get recorded and didn't have much
31:21
Speaker 7: to do with Tommais and Critias.
31:23
Speaker 6: That's where I'm stretching the story away from the primary source,
31:28
Speaker 6: which is Plato in his Topaus Critis and the Republic. See,
31:31
Speaker 6: we can't take Atlantis out of the context of the
31:34
Speaker 6: work of the Republic, which is completely about which civilization,
31:39
Speaker 6: the Persians, and which civilization built round cities? The Persians.
31:44
Speaker 6: They have two of them. You can see them from
31:46
Speaker 6: satellite view. One's called derabogerd On, one's called Gore. So
31:51
Speaker 6: is there a possible conflation that Plato is taking Persian
31:54
Speaker 6: motifs and infusing that with Egyptian motifs and possibly hit
31:58
Speaker 6: type because he's just space. He's saying anything that's not
32:01
Speaker 6: Europa is Atlantis. So that's why the Atlas Mountains are
32:06
Speaker 6: named Atlantis. That's why Atlantia sometimes is referred to the
32:10
Speaker 6: Romans as Ethiopia. So Jimmy is right to put it
32:15
Speaker 6: back in Africa. But we want to make the story bigger.
32:18
Speaker 9: Now.
32:18
Speaker 6: There might be other civilizations that are lost, but they
32:21
Speaker 6: have nothing to really do with Plato's Atlantis. Like you know,
32:24
Speaker 6: gobecuy Tepe is very close, you know, to Greece in
32:27
Speaker 6: some sense, but Plato had no idea of that civilization.
32:31
Speaker 6: He didn't care about that. What he cared about is
32:34
Speaker 6: the brown people conquering the white people. Because the hit
32:38
Speaker 6: Tipes and the Assyrians and the Egyptians were the big
32:41
Speaker 6: empires of the time and they were starting to expand
32:44
Speaker 6: up into Greece, So this was the proto Hellenes would
32:48
Speaker 6: have been the Mysonians, and actually the Mycenians probably would
32:51
Speaker 6: have been darker skinned, a little bit more tan Mediterranean
32:54
Speaker 6: at that time, because the Mycenians mixed with the Minoans,
32:56
Speaker 6: and the Minoans definitely traded with the Egyptians. And there's
33:00
Speaker 6: one well, I kind of follow my slides here here
33:04
Speaker 6: we actually you can go to the next slide so
33:06
Speaker 6: I can get a burying where I'm at. So yeah,
33:09
Speaker 6: So basically it's just makes logical sense to ask the question.
33:14
Speaker 6: You know, if Plato says that Atlantis stretches from Libya
33:18
Speaker 6: to Asia, and he says it's it's bigger than that,
33:22
Speaker 6: he's referring to this vast continent, and that vast continent
33:26
Speaker 6: has to be Africa and Asia or specifically the Middle East,
33:30
Speaker 6: because he's talking about a war he's emphasizing. And in Freemasonry,
33:36
Speaker 6: there's a lot of kind of you know, understanding of
33:38
Speaker 6: the kind of the political worldview, but also spiritual mixed
33:43
Speaker 6: and so the Freemasons and the Vatican and the Persians,
33:46
Speaker 6: in the ancient Greeks, they all honored Egypt because Egypt
33:48
Speaker 6: came first before anyone else when it comes to the
33:52
Speaker 6: first true nation state. So you know, like you know,
33:55
Speaker 6: HARRIEUS Truman was a thirty third degree Freemason, I believe
33:58
Speaker 6: he was. And you know, you probably understood that it
34:01
Speaker 6: has something to do with Egypt. And that's why you
34:03
Speaker 6: have an obelisk in this center of Washington, d C.
34:07
Speaker 6: And why a lot of Freemason temples are inspired by
34:10
Speaker 6: Egyptian architecture because they were the first architects. They were
34:14
Speaker 6: the first nation state, the political entity that unified first
34:17
Speaker 6: before Babylon. It wasn't until Sargon of a Cod came
34:20
Speaker 6: and forced unification and developed the Acadian civilization. So when
34:25
Speaker 6: people say, oh, the Garden of Eden super, no, that
34:28
Speaker 6: super was no paradise. It was a hellhole ten degrees
34:31
Speaker 6: hotter on average in Egypt, not a Mediterranean climate. There's
34:34
Speaker 6: no black soil to create enough fertility for ag culture,
34:38
Speaker 6: and there's no monumental architecture at the level of Egypt.
34:42
Speaker 6: So it's so stupid that even jobbles kind of latch
34:44
Speaker 6: onto that. But that's just a misconception because over time,
34:48
Speaker 6: when they first discovered and learned about the Muslim world,
34:50
Speaker 6: you know, they're confusing some of the Muslim writings with
34:53
Speaker 6: the Biblical texts, and they didn't have all the Biblical texts,
34:55
Speaker 6: so they start thinking, well, you know, maybe it's literally
34:59
Speaker 6: Babylon over here. But over time place names changed. There
35:02
Speaker 6: was a place called Babylon Fortress in Cairo, but also
35:06
Speaker 6: Babylon in Iraq. And there's the Gihon River was sometimes
35:10
Speaker 6: associated with the Nile. But then there's Land of kush
35:12
Speaker 6: Can be Ethiopia, but also in Iran. So it gets
35:15
Speaker 6: confusing because these place things are being recycled over and over.
35:18
Speaker 6: That's why it's confused about Well, one thing, we know
35:20
Speaker 6: for sure it's not Easter Island, as Dandity Dunker might
35:23
Speaker 6: arch you has nothing to do with that because Plaosa's elephants.
35:28
Speaker 7: Well, there was a species of elephant that went extinct
35:32
Speaker 7: with the end of the Carthaginian Empire that was in
35:36
Speaker 7: North Africa. So they have all one. Yeah, yeah, a
35:39
Speaker 7: smaller version. That's what they took across the Alps.
35:42
Speaker 6: And they got those from Africa. There's a small speed
35:46
Speaker 6: scent not small, yeah, relatively small to the main elephants
35:49
Speaker 6: in Sub Sahara, Africa. But there was a North African elephant,
35:53
Speaker 6: and the Egyptians basically killed them all for used them
35:55
Speaker 6: in warfare or made for labor as well, So that's
35:57
Speaker 6: not other question. But they were a hindrance to the agriculture,
36:00
Speaker 6: so Egyptians basically wipe them out, and then the Romans
36:03
Speaker 6: eventually too, but they used them for eventually into circuses
36:06
Speaker 6: and things like that and for display. But yeah, they
36:09
Speaker 6: were They got up to I think islands near Greece
36:11
Speaker 6: or Crete and spread up into Rome. So there were
36:15
Speaker 6: these elephants. So when Playto speaks about that, they did
36:18
Speaker 6: exist at the time in that region. They got them
36:20
Speaker 6: through trade from Egypt.
36:23
Speaker 8: So they're fucking elephant killers. That saddens meant.
36:29
Speaker 6: Stopping crops, but they're so cute.
36:33
Speaker 8: Listen, are you saying Egypt could be Atlantis? Like that's
36:38
Speaker 8: the misconception is like they read they they came up
36:42
Speaker 8: with this name Atlantis, but really they were describing Egypt.
36:45
Speaker 6: Is that like the takeaway here? That's what when when
36:50
Speaker 6: some of the dialogues in Plato's speak they say, oh,
36:54
Speaker 6: you Socrates always make up stories about Egypt. There's some
36:57
Speaker 6: phrase like that, because that's exactly a Platos dude, Plato
37:00
Speaker 6: is taking socrates ideas and making up a story about Egypt.
37:04
Speaker 6: He's basically using Egypt as an allegory but putting a
37:08
Speaker 6: good spin on it against the other Atlanteans. And there's
37:13
Speaker 6: another Atlanteans that everyone forgets, and it's associated to the war,
37:18
Speaker 6: and it's not the Egyptians, it's the Hittites, Turkey Anatolia.
37:23
Speaker 6: So again that's why I say Plato says across the sea,
37:27
Speaker 6: so across the Greek world, either through the gen c
37:30
Speaker 6: or all the way down to Egypt and Palestine, that
37:32
Speaker 6: region was another world to them, completely different typologies. That
37:37
Speaker 6: was the Atlantean old world. So when Plato speaks about
37:40
Speaker 6: the khaliplist in the Republic, he's speaking about the future
37:43
Speaker 6: new world of the Greek world and using democracy, well
37:46
Speaker 6: semi democracy, but they all women to vote, but they're
37:52
Speaker 6: debating about whether it keep that monarchic system or democracy.
37:56
Speaker 6: And there's a divide. And when Plato's writing the story,
37:59
Speaker 6: he's keeping in con of the Persian wars. So to
38:03
Speaker 6: the to Plato, Persia is the neo Atlanteans. Hence why
38:07
Speaker 6: there's round cities. So there actually are one mile diameter
38:10
Speaker 6: long palace round cities that are completely wiped out over
38:14
Speaker 6: time by Alexander the Great and other wars. And he's
38:18
Speaker 6: associated with the Persian world order and Egypt is a
38:20
Speaker 6: part of that. But he wants to put a good
38:22
Speaker 6: spin sort of on Egypt because they want to make
38:24
Speaker 6: an alliance of Egypt against the Persians. And he's talking
38:28
Speaker 6: about older warters, saying, hey, we can beat back the
38:31
Speaker 6: Persians because we did it before, and the Egyptian said,
38:33
Speaker 6: we did it before, and that old war was with
38:35
Speaker 6: the Hittites. Now we can. I'll show you my sources
38:39
Speaker 6: on that. We can go next slide and I can
38:41
Speaker 6: explain where I get that from.
38:44
Speaker 8: Did you watch Black Panther Part two? No, by any chance,
38:50
Speaker 8: I was just gonna say they put a lot of
38:52
Speaker 8: shit in the Marvel movies. Obviously a lot of people
38:54
Speaker 8: know about that, but they made it seem like and
38:59
Speaker 8: also like Aqua Man right with Atlantis, like it still
39:02
Speaker 8: exists and it's all sunk in and shit, so you
39:05
Speaker 8: don't believe any of that stuff, like it's somewhere so
39:09
Speaker 8: far as.
39:11
Speaker 6: Each of us have ruins underwater. And now maybe they
39:14
Speaker 6: don't go back to the time of the actual date
39:18
Speaker 6: of the century eruption, which is one thousand, six hundred BC.
39:21
Speaker 6: And if you take away the nine thousand and use
39:23
Speaker 6: the nine hundred date, which is what these authors are
39:26
Speaker 6: all arguing. And so these researchers are basically saying, it
39:30
Speaker 6: doesn't make logical sense if they say that proto Athenians existed,
39:33
Speaker 6: who could that be? It must be the mace Andeans
39:35
Speaker 6: and they And once in the nineteen fifties we learned
39:38
Speaker 6: about the Santorini eruption, we realized that the center in
39:40
Speaker 6: eruption was a big, major event. It was not just
39:44
Speaker 6: your normal volcano eruption. It was actually a super massive
39:47
Speaker 6: volcano going boom with two thousand mega tons Castle Bravos
39:51
Speaker 6: fifty ton fifty megatons.
39:54
Speaker 2: So John G.
39:56
Speaker 6: Bennett and Jayquin Griffiths and Ryan's Carpenter, they're all saying
40:01
Speaker 6: it has to do with Sanerini. But what's confusing is
40:05
Speaker 6: they thought this associated Atlantis is the Minoans. No, and
40:09
Speaker 6: Plato is clear that it's across the Atlantic Sea, and
40:12
Speaker 6: the original Atlantic Sea, or to George Sarantigis and others,
40:17
Speaker 6: is the Mediterranean. It's not the Atlantic Ocean. Because you
40:20
Speaker 6: got to rotate that map and the way the Greeks
40:23
Speaker 6: are looking at the world, as they're saying, across the sea,
40:26
Speaker 6: there's this paradise island filled with elephants, and Plato says
40:29
Speaker 6: it doesn't rain, and there's monumental architecture and all that.
40:33
Speaker 6: So he's using Egypt as that island within the larger continent.
40:39
Speaker 7: Everybody forgets about the ten thousand. So in four oh
40:42
Speaker 7: one BC you have this group of ten thousand mercenaries
40:46
Speaker 7: who were hired by a Persian prince to go invade
40:49
Speaker 7: the land of Summer, and this is where they find
40:52
Speaker 7: out about all of these really ancient structures that they
40:56
Speaker 7: didn't know existed. So there was a whole civilization over
40:59
Speaker 7: to the east of them that they had just discovered.
41:02
Speaker 7: This is one of the reasons that, uh, you know,
41:04
Speaker 7: Alexander the Great went as far east as he did
41:07
Speaker 7: is because he was reading the stories of the ten
41:09
Speaker 7: thousand and he wanted to find out what was actually
41:12
Speaker 7: happening in the ancient world, because this was far more
41:14
Speaker 7: ancient than what they had, so a lot of that
41:17
Speaker 7: stuff really did.
41:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, it ultimately is related to the Persians, because the
41:23
Speaker 6: Persians are the real Aryans, the original neo Atlanteans. I
41:28
Speaker 6: guess in some sense that some of these authors would argue,
41:31
Speaker 6: but like the main author, Jay Guin Griffiths, he's looking
41:34
Speaker 6: at the actual descriptive details in Tamaeus and Critaeus and
41:38
Speaker 6: he's realizing that there are certain descriptives like he noticed
41:42
Speaker 6: that I misspoke a little bit on Mike and Dave's podcast,
41:46
Speaker 6: but it was actually ja gu and Griffiths that argue
41:48
Speaker 6: that Plato's leaving some things out. He's not mentioned certain
41:51
Speaker 6: things like the coconut, so there's no coconut. But he
41:56
Speaker 6: does mention that there are like palm trees, and there's
41:59
Speaker 6: legome and cereals and certain other He says there's a
42:03
Speaker 6: lot bents of agriculture, flat plane elongated. So all these
42:08
Speaker 6: other descriptives seem to be alluding to Egypt, especially when
42:11
Speaker 6: he says it doesn't rain in Atlantis, only in the
42:15
Speaker 6: winter times. So that clearly puts it back to North
42:18
Speaker 6: Africa because people think that, oh, it never rains in Egypt. No,
42:21
Speaker 6: it does rain in Egypt. So that's where you know
42:24
Speaker 6: Ran Across or Graham Hancock and Robert Viola might be
42:27
Speaker 6: gaining things wrong because they say, oh, there's no rain
42:29
Speaker 6: on the Sphinx. Now it's rained. Egypt just had a
42:32
Speaker 6: flood back in like twenty twenty or twenty twenty three,
42:34
Speaker 6: I think it was. It was like three inches of
42:36
Speaker 6: rain in like one hour. So they do get erosion.
42:40
Speaker 6: So there's clear evidence of Mediterranean medicanes coming in once
42:44
Speaker 6: in a while. I mean there's one that killed twenty
42:45
Speaker 6: thousand people like three years ago that it was in Libya.
42:49
Speaker 6: That's because of a flash flood. So it does rain
42:51
Speaker 6: in Egypt, just not as often, mostly in the wintertime.
42:54
Speaker 6: So Plato says that detail and he knows he says
42:56
Speaker 6: that detail is like, okay, this has to do with
42:59
Speaker 6: something with North Africa, because he says, this island of
43:02
Speaker 6: Atlantis faces the sea. So Plato's trying to describe a delta.
43:09
Speaker 6: It's literally facing the sea, and there's a shoal of mud.
43:12
Speaker 6: There was liqual. Fact he can say, we're legal faction
43:14
Speaker 6: be saying Atlantis was sinking. So if there's a massive
43:17
Speaker 6: earthquake caused by a supermassive volcano or tsunami, a combination
43:21
Speaker 6: of multiple things, then yeah, the delta would sink and
43:26
Speaker 6: there will be mud in the way. And we see
43:28
Speaker 6: very ruin underwater in Egypt.
43:32
Speaker 7: Right, and you could even see again. Back to Alexander
43:35
Speaker 7: the Great, where did he make his city is right
43:38
Speaker 7: at the end of the Egyptian delta. You know, he's
43:41
Speaker 7: thinking about the same sort of Atlantis type idea. That's
43:45
Speaker 7: why he's picking that area. And he's the one who
43:47
Speaker 7: surveyed it and created the outlook or the outlay for
43:50
Speaker 7: the city before it was even built, so there was
43:54
Speaker 7: a lot of influence.
43:55
Speaker 6: That's the confusion. If you go to the next slide,
43:58
Speaker 6: the confusion is between three skins. Plato gives us one scale,
44:02
Speaker 6: the continent. The second scale is the island in a continent,
44:06
Speaker 6: which is a little weird, and then he says the
44:08
Speaker 6: city state. The question is is he conflating the Persian cities,
44:13
Speaker 6: assuming they're just as old as Egypt, with Egypt, because
44:16
Speaker 6: sometimes they believe that Egypt was like kind of like
44:19
Speaker 6: the Persians, they were a big empire, and maybe the
44:21
Speaker 6: Egyptians kind of lied and said, oh, yeah, we were
44:23
Speaker 6: a big empire. We conquered those Hittites and those persons.
44:27
Speaker 6: They could have been lying because there's a legend of
44:29
Speaker 6: Cisus Stress and cis Striss was a Pharaoh to believe
44:32
Speaker 6: that conquered Anatolia, because if you look at you know,
44:35
Speaker 6: Hittite architecture and styles, it's clearly influenced by Egypt. The
44:40
Speaker 6: styles and the rulership system is modeled off of Egypt
44:43
Speaker 6: and their influences that because they were trading and eventually
44:45
Speaker 6: they were even exchanging you know, princes and princesses and
44:50
Speaker 6: having treaties, and eventually they had war at the Battle
44:52
Speaker 6: of Cadesh. So to the Greeks, yeah, they're conflating a
44:56
Speaker 6: few other regions in the Middle East with round states.
44:59
Speaker 6: But it's possible, well, there was a round lost city
45:02
Speaker 6: state in Egypt, because the Egyptian hieroglyphic city is a
45:05
Speaker 6: circle with an X, so it's possible Egypt may have
45:09
Speaker 6: once had a round city at the capitol of Heliopolis,
45:12
Speaker 6: but it's been so recycled over and over. You know,
45:16
Speaker 6: with Cairo modern day Caro being built on top, it
45:19
Speaker 6: would be almost impossible to find it because you've got
45:21
Speaker 6: a whole city on top of it. Because Egypt's been
45:23
Speaker 6: so recycled, because the density of the region is so dense,
45:28
Speaker 6: and that's why we call it this garden paradise. The
45:30
Speaker 6: original Garden of Eden. So Plato's Atlantis is basically one
45:35
Speaker 6: and the same with the story of the Garden of Eden.
45:37
Speaker 6: He's probably beating Ugarytic texts or something, and he's putting
45:42
Speaker 6: his own spin on it for political reasons.
45:45
Speaker 7: Right, And that Yugoretic text was the unification of Hittite
45:48
Speaker 7: culture and Egyptian culture, because they were right there on
45:51
Speaker 7: that borderline, and they took all of those elements from
45:53
Speaker 7: both into their mythology and into their architecture and all
45:56
Speaker 7: the rest of that stuff as well, and they played
45:58
Speaker 7: a huge role in before of the Canaanite Phoenicians later on.
46:02
Speaker 7: So you know, you've got all of these different influences
46:05
Speaker 7: creating this milieu, and especially in Egypt. It was recycled
46:09
Speaker 7: by the Greeks later on because they were obsessed with Egypt.
46:12
Speaker 7: That's one of the reasons why Alexander went down there,
46:14
Speaker 7: and why is generals occupied that place is the Ptolemy's
46:17
Speaker 7: for hundreds of years after.
46:19
Speaker 6: So they needed the wheat is the main thing they needed.
46:23
Speaker 6: You know, if you've got the origins of agriculture established
46:26
Speaker 6: in Egypt, you know Greece didn't produce as much agriculture
46:29
Speaker 6: until their empire expanded. But yeah, that's where like the
46:33
Speaker 6: Persians conquered Egypt because they wanted their agriculture, because that
46:36
Speaker 6: was literally a guard in paradise. So when Plato spent
46:38
Speaker 6: emphasized about in the Tomatos, this this lush you know,
46:41
Speaker 6: paradise and these allotments and they're ruled by twelve kingdoms,
46:44
Speaker 6: which is a reference most likely to the no marks
46:47
Speaker 6: of Egypt where you have a governorship, which is why
46:49
Speaker 6: the Freemasons kind of honored Egypt because you have like
46:51
Speaker 6: there's the governor regions and then there's one president, one
46:54
Speaker 6: pharaoh that rules them all and they're not allowed to
46:57
Speaker 6: war with each other. It was actually it was when
47:01
Speaker 6: they became too avarice in their power and they wanted
47:04
Speaker 6: to expand. So this is where maybe Plato or solon
47:08
Speaker 6: and is conflating the hit Tites with the Egyptians because
47:11
Speaker 6: they're basically say, oh, they're one and the same, and
47:13
Speaker 6: they're not really, but they were influenced by Egypt, sure,
47:16
Speaker 6: But that's where the point is. You know, they're conflating
47:21
Speaker 6: that because of the Persians, because the Persians did occupy
47:24
Speaker 6: of Egypt and the Hittites, so they're saying that there
47:28
Speaker 6: was an older Atlantic kingdom before the Persians, and that's
47:31
Speaker 6: a reference more likely to the Trojan Wars. That's the
47:36
Speaker 6: war that it was inferring upon.
47:37
Speaker 7: In Homer prior to the Bronze Age collapse. The Bronze
47:41
Speaker 7: Age collapse wiped out the memory of the ancient world,
47:44
Speaker 7: and that's what they were constantly trying to get back.
47:46
Speaker 7: Is that memory before the bronzege collapse.
47:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a Yeah, there was a lapse of
47:52
Speaker 6: time and Greek civilization, though not much was really going on.
47:55
Speaker 6: It was slow progression until they recovered after the Santorini eruption,
47:59
Speaker 6: so one thousand six hundre boom, the war stops. So basically,
48:02
Speaker 6: Plato's implying that both sides were destroyed in this war,
48:06
Speaker 6: the Greeks and the hit Tips and the Egyptians are
48:09
Speaker 6: telling it the story as a sort of an outside perspective,
48:11
Speaker 6: although in the next paragraph, this is where it's confusing,
48:14
Speaker 6: because Plato's saying first the island of Atlantis, and then
48:17
Speaker 6: he jumps to talk about the war, so people would think, oh, well,
48:20
Speaker 6: it was the people from the island that are the
48:22
Speaker 6: ones causing the war. No, that's not actually what the
48:25
Speaker 6: Tomato critics is saying. It's just there's a paragraph change
48:29
Speaker 6: and he's just talking about a different region now. So
48:31
Speaker 6: Plato's scaling out now, and that's the problem because you know,
48:34
Speaker 6: back in those days they have a good sense of
48:36
Speaker 6: location and bearing. So if Platos first starts at this
48:39
Speaker 6: large scale continent, then the island, then the city state,
48:42
Speaker 6: and conflating that the war with maybe being Egypt too,
48:46
Speaker 6: because the Egyptians might want to take credits saying yeah,
48:49
Speaker 6: those hit tights, they were part of our civilization, because
48:52
Speaker 6: that goes back to legend of cis Striss.
48:55
Speaker 7: In a way, it's so important for people to remember
48:57
Speaker 7: the esoteric nature of this. He's binding a bunch of
49:00
Speaker 7: locations and a bunch of different data to paint a
49:03
Speaker 7: picture of what he's trying to get across as the
49:07
Speaker 7: political message behind the piece that he's writing.
49:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's more likely it's the biblical stories, well
49:14
Speaker 6: not you know, modern day Bibles, but the actual scrolls
49:17
Speaker 6: of ancient times from the Hebrews, from the Zoroastrians and
49:21
Speaker 6: the Babylonians, you know, in the Hindus as well, pe
49:24
Speaker 6: simply in Pakistan, Indos Valley when they talk with dark
49:27
Speaker 6: Kalie Age, it is a reference to an actual event
49:30
Speaker 6: that happened, because people think the super mass volcano, Oh,
49:34
Speaker 6: it's just that local region, but no, it would have
49:36
Speaker 6: a climactic effect over the whole planet, just as the
49:39
Speaker 6: Mount Tambora had effect like in the eighteen hundreds. It
49:41
Speaker 6: would cause more rain events on rivers more, you know,
49:46
Speaker 6: it might make things cooler for about one or two years.
49:49
Speaker 6: Temperature could drop at culture starts to die off in Europe,
49:52
Speaker 6: so people start floating down and that's where you get
49:54
Speaker 6: the Indo Arians. They start moving south. So something happened
49:57
Speaker 6: in the Indos Valley that forced the migration from the
49:59
Speaker 6: ox civilization down into India. And that's so where you
50:03
Speaker 6: get the so called reference to Indo Ariyans. But it's
50:05
Speaker 6: really the Oxas civilization that gave birth to the Iranians
50:10
Speaker 6: and eventually moved down into the vegan cultures to established that.
50:14
Speaker 6: Now Indians, you know, they obviously are a little nationalistics,
50:16
Speaker 6: so they have debates about that. They don't like the
50:19
Speaker 6: idea that it was the Oxs civilization came down. But
50:21
Speaker 6: the record, archaeological record shows that Mohendro Daro and other
50:25
Speaker 6: cities in Pakistan. They just kind of collapsed right around
50:28
Speaker 6: year one thousand, seven hundred to one thousand, six hundred PC,
50:31
Speaker 6: and that happens to be around the Centerini eruption, So
50:35
Speaker 6: something may have caused a climactic shift that shifts the
50:39
Speaker 6: geoputical chessboard.
50:42
Speaker 7: It also hit the Mesopotamian region really hard too. This
50:46
Speaker 7: is you know, a major.
50:49
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah.
50:49
Speaker 6: So that's where the biblical stories come in. So people
50:51
Speaker 6: think the flood story is separate from the Garden of Edenstor,
50:54
Speaker 6: but in reality they're the same. They're just separated by
50:58
Speaker 6: different scribes are trying to maybe make it more simplistic,
51:02
Speaker 6: to make it more allegorical or more details. So it
51:05
Speaker 6: wasn't until the Acadian periods that these records start coming
51:09
Speaker 6: out and it shows from the airdo story. We can
51:13
Speaker 6: actually date the actual artifacts and we can launch we say, well,
51:17
Speaker 6: if that tablet is actually dated to around one thousand,
51:20
Speaker 6: six hundred BC, they might have wrote that story, you know,
51:24
Speaker 6: a few fifty years or maybe twenty years after the event.
51:28
Speaker 6: Same thing with the Mahama. All these stories were written
51:32
Speaker 6: after the Centornianus event. There's we can carbon date all
51:36
Speaker 6: this stuff, and they're all dating after that. They're not
51:39
Speaker 6: dating older. But people think that the Bible story the Genesis,
51:42
Speaker 6: oh that's two thousand BC, the flood happened. No, the
51:45
Speaker 6: oldest evidence that dates to these tablets are no older
51:49
Speaker 6: than one thousand, six hundred BC, and the maximum date
51:52
Speaker 6: for the centurion in eruption is one thousand and seven
51:54
Speaker 6: hundred BC. So some I think something happened in the
51:58
Speaker 6: Mediterranean region because the Priests of Science is saying the
52:01
Speaker 6: destruction happened in the homeland of the Greeks. You Greeks
52:05
Speaker 6: were destroyed and you lost your history basically, But the
52:08
Speaker 6: Nile we recovered faster, and naturally the most powerful civilization
52:12
Speaker 6: at the time would recover faster and would not be destroyed.
52:15
Speaker 6: So the logic that, oh, and advance civilization would get
52:18
Speaker 6: destroyed and be completely wiped out is illogical because it
52:22
Speaker 6: would be harder to erode a civilization that loses more
52:25
Speaker 6: shit compared to a small civilization.
52:30
Speaker 7: Right, and they had the food, they had the floods,
52:32
Speaker 7: They had the food, and that was the most important
52:35
Speaker 7: part in building back whatever civilization they had, So I
52:38
Speaker 7: mean that was the bread basket of all of the Mediterranean,
52:41
Speaker 7: kate Go ignored as this powerful force in that civilization,
52:45
Speaker 7: as well as a powerful spiritual force in all these
52:47
Speaker 7: different regions as well.
52:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think there's definitely a connection. As these
52:53
Speaker 6: other authors I showed, they all say that there must
52:55
Speaker 6: be some connection back to the Biblical record. So Plato
52:58
Speaker 6: is basically taking these Mesopotamian stories and Egyptian stories, because
53:02
Speaker 6: Egypt has records of a massive rainy evet called it
53:05
Speaker 6: in the Tempestila, and they've dated that to around one thousand,
53:09
Speaker 6: five hundred and fifty BC, so pretty close to the date.
53:13
Speaker 6: And when you actually take the translation of the nine
53:15
Speaker 6: hundred year hypothesis, it puts that to around one thousand,
53:19
Speaker 6: five hundred and fifty BC. Now give or take a
53:21
Speaker 6: margin of air of maybe fifty to one hundred years.
53:23
Speaker 6: So I'm open to the possibility that there are some
53:26
Speaker 6: carbon dates that are slightly off by may fifty to
53:28
Speaker 6: one hundred years, because we do have like the Dixon
53:31
Speaker 6: relic in the Pyramid that is dated to three thousand
53:33
Speaker 6: over three thousand BC. Now, they said, well, maybe that's
53:36
Speaker 6: very old wood possibility, but I highly doubt they probably
53:39
Speaker 6: took the wood from a branch more likely, which the
53:41
Speaker 6: branch will be younger than the center core of a
53:43
Speaker 6: tree or Yeah, so it's possible there are margin of errors.
53:48
Speaker 6: I'm not ruining that. I can't jump to what random
53:51
Speaker 6: Cars and Graham Hancocks say, because we need the swords. Okay,
53:54
Speaker 6: we have dinosaur bones. Where are the swords? Okay, we
53:58
Speaker 6: got stuff that's very old and present served. We should
54:01
Speaker 6: have petrified artifacts as something Roy hold, but there's nothing. Well, yeah,
54:05
Speaker 6: I see, we have found that's very.
54:08
Speaker 7: That could go to a lot of chandlers. That could
54:11
Speaker 7: go back to a lot of chandelers. So if you
54:13
Speaker 7: look at the channeling of the Sleeping profit what's his name,
54:17
Speaker 7: I keep forgetting his name, Caser. Yeah, when he talks
54:21
Speaker 7: about Atlantis, he's talking about a different type of technology altogether,
54:27
Speaker 7: sort of like a crystal and technology necessarily more advanced
54:31
Speaker 7: in terms of uh, you know, weapons and armor and
54:35
Speaker 7: all the rest of this stuff. He's thinking more of
54:37
Speaker 7: like crystallography or some kind of resonant technology. And we
54:40
Speaker 7: see in all of these doors different structures, right right,
54:45
Speaker 7: You see these different type of spiritual focuses on megalithic
54:50
Speaker 7: sites as opposed to having you know, the best swords
54:53
Speaker 7: and the best weapons, and you know, it's it's more
54:55
Speaker 7: of a shift away from that, more towards the interior
54:59
Speaker 7: world as opposed to the exterior.
55:01
Speaker 6: But again, Edgar Casey is being influenced by the old
55:04
Speaker 6: occultic age in the eighteen hundreds, you know, or even
55:07
Speaker 6: before that, by that one priest and ignacious Donnelly and
55:11
Speaker 6: their their worldview was so fixated on the Americas, and
55:16
Speaker 6: Edgar Casey's making the story bigger really is. It's more
55:18
Speaker 6: of a spiritual allegory for him. And I think you
55:21
Speaker 6: mentioned like flying cars. I don't think Atlantis had that. No, again,
55:26
Speaker 6: that's the concept idea of Atlantis, and that's because you know,
55:29
Speaker 6: I think the occult was in eighteen hundreds really wanted
55:31
Speaker 6: to make Atlantis bigger than it really was, because they're
55:34
Speaker 6: trying to make some sense sense of the world at
55:36
Speaker 6: the time. Because Casey, she was still being born sort.
55:41
Speaker 2: Of, he was.
55:44
Speaker 7: He was actually saying that they were not as advanced
55:47
Speaker 7: as all the rest of the more flowery authors have
55:49
Speaker 7: put it. He just said that they had a different
55:51
Speaker 7: way of achieving some similar things without having all of
55:55
Speaker 7: these flying cars. Yeah, because the flying cars, like chariots.
56:01
Speaker 7: That's sort of yeah, mentioned chariots.
56:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, he Plato mentions chariots, you know, he mentions, yeah, horses,
56:09
Speaker 6: of course, he mentions. Big clue is he uses atlantisposes
56:14
Speaker 6: the most ferocious animal in the land. Okay, well, what
56:17
Speaker 6: could that be? The hippo? The lion. More likely the
56:21
Speaker 6: lion is what he's referring to, but he says it
56:23
Speaker 6: kind of a poetic way. He's trying to basically describe
56:27
Speaker 6: Africa to the Greek world that's never visited Africa for
56:30
Speaker 6: the first time. They've never seen a lion in their life,
56:33
Speaker 6: so it's a he's he's kind of talking. Imagine him
56:37
Speaker 6: talking in you know, an amphitheater stage, and he's kind
56:40
Speaker 6: of exaggerating what Socrates is saying. You know, he Socrates
56:44
Speaker 6: poses crazy stories about uh Egypt's Middle East from Haradus
56:48
Speaker 6: and others.
56:49
Speaker 7: There is a Middle Eastern lion. There's a Mediterranean lion
56:52
Speaker 7: that used to live back in that time period that's
56:54
Speaker 7: now completely as well. So it's the same situation as
56:57
Speaker 7: the elephants, Like, there are these animals that we're talking about.
57:01
Speaker 6: But we don't Barbary lion I think it was called Yeah, yeah,
57:05
Speaker 6: so that existed, possibly even at the time of the Greeks.
57:08
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's more likely. But the majority of those
57:12
Speaker 6: animals that Plato's describing, he's referencing to what the writings
57:17
Speaker 6: of Radus is giving to him. So more than likely
57:19
Speaker 6: it's logical. We don't know Plato used Heradus, but it's
57:22
Speaker 6: logical he was probably reading Homer. He was probably reading
57:25
Speaker 6: Socrates and Solon and Haradus and others, so that's where
57:29
Speaker 6: he's getting his information from. And it's possibly Plato even
57:33
Speaker 6: visited Egypt. Some schours say he even visited Egypt, so
57:36
Speaker 6: if he did, he probably was like, woh, I gotta
57:37
Speaker 6: tell a story. And also there was a Heliky Heliki
57:40
Speaker 6: earthquake that happened in Greece, was a small earthquake but
57:43
Speaker 6: killed a lot of people, might kill people he knew,
57:45
Speaker 6: so that may have triggered also his story or reminded
57:48
Speaker 6: him of an older story that Solon was speaking of
57:51
Speaker 6: and Socrates. But again we referring to Edgar Casey's idea
57:58
Speaker 6: of Atlantis. I think he's still making it bigger than
58:00
Speaker 6: it really is, and I don't think it has anything
58:02
Speaker 6: to do with a global civilization whatsoever now global at
58:07
Speaker 6: the time of the Egyptians perspective, like, yeah, we are
58:10
Speaker 6: the center of the world, and even to this day
58:12
Speaker 6: they're sort of like the center of the world in.
58:15
Speaker 7: Terms of chance. I just I just take it as
58:18
Speaker 7: a spiritual lesson, like he's not necessarily giving us the
58:21
Speaker 7: actual facts, but he's sort of spiritualizing what he sees
58:25
Speaker 7: as this vision of Atlantis and all the rest of
58:27
Speaker 7: the stuff as well. So it's far more spiritual than
58:30
Speaker 7: it is actual factual.
58:31
Speaker 2: But.
58:33
Speaker 6: Political because he's using cosmological case at the end, it's
58:39
Speaker 6: about politics. It's about rulership. How do you set up
58:42
Speaker 6: a kingdom a nation state? And the Greeks are trying
58:45
Speaker 6: to learn from the Egyptians, so he's using the Old
58:48
Speaker 6: world as an example, and the old world to them
58:50
Speaker 6: was the Middle East.
58:54
Speaker 7: Well in America was the mound builders, right, and so
58:57
Speaker 7: you have that influence with Casey as well.
59:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, again, I think Casey was more influenced by us
59:04
Speaker 6: what's his name, Ignatius Donnelly. And I think again, you
59:07
Speaker 6: can't let your nationalism or place attachment of your culture
59:10
Speaker 6: where you're living now dictate actual writings of the perspective
59:13
Speaker 6: of played on Solon because they were just concerned about
59:16
Speaker 6: the Persians. Okay, the big band persons out to get them,
59:18
Speaker 6: and they wanted to blame the Persians and the Hittites.
59:21
Speaker 6: And that's that's it's always politics that's influencing stories. Even
59:26
Speaker 6: in the biblical stories. People think, oh, I do believe
59:28
Speaker 6: living peacefully in the garden. But in reality, if you
59:31
Speaker 6: think about it, it's just it's a smaller allegory, simplistic
59:35
Speaker 6: creation story to describe a larger event, and that's elaborated
59:38
Speaker 6: in the Exodus. So the Exodus is just the elaborated
59:44
Speaker 6: version of Genesis. They're not separated by time and space necessarily,
59:50
Speaker 6: So the so called character of Moses, a character of
59:54
Speaker 6: Noah may have been living at the same time. Whoever
59:57
Speaker 6: they symbolized. They were probably Egyptians more likely. That's but
1:00:02
Speaker 6: it's so fragmented because all this stuff was consolidated under
1:00:05
Speaker 6: King Davids and Solomon, and they're trying to figure out
1:00:08
Speaker 6: who the hell all these characters are, and there's different translations,
1:00:11
Speaker 6: and you know, they didn't have Google scholar to figure
1:00:13
Speaker 6: it out, so they just started amalgamating it all together
1:00:15
Speaker 6: and smushing it and thinking that these characters were literal
1:00:18
Speaker 6: or they tried to piece a new creation story to
1:00:21
Speaker 6: fit their new national identity in the Palestinian Israel region
1:00:26
Speaker 6: because they wanted to break away from Egypt. Because remember
1:00:29
Speaker 6: Egypt controlled Palestine and Hittite and the Hittites did too
1:00:32
Speaker 6: for a very long time, and the people living there
1:00:35
Speaker 6: were always kind of had animosity against the Egyptians and
1:00:39
Speaker 6: the Hittites because those were the two big superpowers.
1:00:46
Speaker 7: Well, the Hittite certainly had a lot of animosity towards
1:00:52
Speaker 7: the Egyptians. They in fact inverted the Egyptian pantheon just
1:00:55
Speaker 7: to get back at them for being, you know, sort
1:00:58
Speaker 7: of slave or servant to them for so long. So
1:01:01
Speaker 7: they had a real inversion to Egyptian theology, which I
1:01:06
Speaker 7: think plays out again and again in the Bible.
1:01:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's ironic because the origins of basically Matheism
1:01:13
Speaker 6: probably started in Egypt, and then it eventually it morphed
1:01:18
Speaker 6: over time from evolving into Astrianism and eventually the Hebrew gods.
1:01:23
Speaker 6: But again they're more tribalistic and at the time it's like,
1:01:26
Speaker 6: you know, this is our God, our God's better than
1:01:28
Speaker 6: your God. In reality, there is a source, and you
1:01:32
Speaker 6: have to find where's Atlantis, where's the ritual guard of Eden?
1:01:36
Speaker 6: And if you look at the topological and geographic and
1:01:39
Speaker 6: geopultical origins and archaeological record, Egypt's the elephant in the room.
1:01:44
Speaker 6: It's not sumer it's not Easter Island, it's not meso America.
1:01:49
Speaker 9: At three about Florida.
1:01:54
Speaker 5: In Florida, hey, man, I mean, what if you know
1:01:58
Speaker 5: there's one time where the whole the whole world was
1:02:01
Speaker 5: one continent, and what if it's separated, you know that
1:02:04
Speaker 5: it fits perfectly into that gap right there in in
1:02:07
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean. That's all I'm saying.
1:02:10
Speaker 8: I'm par Florida on that.
1:02:12
Speaker 6: I don't think Plato was thinking that big. He was
1:02:17
Speaker 6: concerned about the damn Persians because they want to blame
1:02:19
Speaker 6: everything on the Persians, even though in reality it might
1:02:21
Speaker 6: have been the Myceneans that started the hit tight Trojan Wars.
1:02:25
Speaker 6: But you know it's the victory, you know, it is
1:02:27
Speaker 6: written by the by the victors. I guess I can
1:02:30
Speaker 6: go to the next slide.
1:02:31
Speaker 9: Yeah, well in the six yeard, no question.
1:02:38
Speaker 6: No, I don't know, man, Ireland's a bunch of bs.
1:02:42
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, See I think there's there's stuff
1:02:44
Speaker 5: that you know. I mean, I think we're not told
1:02:47
Speaker 5: one hundred percent the truth of everything, you know, so
1:02:50
Speaker 5: there's some things we kind of have to come to
1:02:52
Speaker 5: our own conclusions about.
1:02:53
Speaker 6: And uh, but it's not really hidden. It's like, you know,
1:02:57
Speaker 6: people say, well, why did I learn about this in
1:02:59
Speaker 6: high school? Because high school is supposed to be a
1:03:02
Speaker 6: prison where they keep kids off the streets, so they
1:03:04
Speaker 6: learn some basic back and shit. Okay, you don't learn
1:03:06
Speaker 6: real history until you get into college. So in college
1:03:09
Speaker 6: is where I learned about these researchers. I have more
1:03:12
Speaker 6: researchers in essays, and and now I learned that Egypt
1:03:17
Speaker 6: literally has ruins underwater, Okay, and there's no other civilization
1:03:21
Speaker 6: has ruins like this underwater. And sure there are only
1:03:23
Speaker 6: days to May four hundred BC. Some could be older
1:03:26
Speaker 6: to one four hundred BC. But I bet there's a
1:03:29
Speaker 6: lot more on the east coast of the Delta, probably
1:03:31
Speaker 6: a couple hundred yards out into sea underwater, maybe under
1:03:35
Speaker 6: thirty or forty feet of water. I bet there's a
1:03:37
Speaker 6: lot more ruins, and a lot more under Cairo. But
1:03:39
Speaker 6: there's a big city in the way. But Egypt it's
1:03:42
Speaker 6: the only civilization that built a giant, massive pyramids, you know,
1:03:47
Speaker 6: and there's nothing on the planet. There's nothing else we
1:03:50
Speaker 6: was founded by now by lightar scans or whatever, satellite
1:03:53
Speaker 6: scans and there's nothing. Okay, Bosnian pyramid, No, that's not
1:03:56
Speaker 6: a pyramid.
1:03:58
Speaker 7: So just to give you my Herododus reference real quick,
1:04:02
Speaker 7: so if you could add my thing to the stage,
1:04:06
Speaker 7: I'll love pictures back up in a second. So this
1:04:09
Speaker 7: is from the recent discovery in the Mahata expedition in
1:04:14
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight, they use ground penetrating radar at
1:04:17
Speaker 7: the Hawara Pyramid about evidence of a massive underground structure
1:04:20
Speaker 7: talked about in Herodidas that he says underground there's three
1:04:24
Speaker 7: thousand rooms, and so they've they found it and they're
1:04:28
Speaker 7: not doing anything to excavate it. So in terms of
1:04:31
Speaker 7: like you know, cults in the origin of these things,
1:04:34
Speaker 7: I think that's that's one of the most important sort
1:04:37
Speaker 7: of factors.
1:04:38
Speaker 6: But again you need to question if the translation for
1:04:41
Speaker 6: the word three thousand is correct because again it's in English,
1:04:45
Speaker 6: and how many times has it been translated. It could
1:04:47
Speaker 6: have been maybe thirty rooms, it could have been three hundred.
1:04:50
Speaker 6: So you have to dig a lot deeper to that
1:04:53
Speaker 6: specific story and find out the source, like even the
1:04:55
Speaker 6: legend of like Tartessls. Everyone thinks Tortoso Suspain, it's Italy, okay,
1:05:01
Speaker 6: the original Tartessians. When you read details into that from
1:05:05
Speaker 6: horazz and others, you realize there are motifs and details
1:05:09
Speaker 6: that seem to point more to Italy because the Greeks
1:05:12
Speaker 6: first landed in Italy before they ever landed in Spain.
1:05:15
Speaker 6: But over time the nationalists in Spain adopted the story
1:05:19
Speaker 6: and placed it in Tartuso's because there was a reference
1:05:22
Speaker 6: to the Pillars of Parcoles. It was to Stretcher chippol
1:05:24
Speaker 6: Trebo's inside that, but they assumed it had to be
1:05:27
Speaker 6: Spain because a bunch of nationalists in Spain wanted it
1:05:30
Speaker 6: to be Spain. Same thing with Nazi Germany. They wanted
1:05:32
Speaker 6: Atlantis to be, you know, associated with white people. Even
1:05:35
Speaker 6: though Plato literally says there are elephants and it doesn't
1:05:39
Speaker 6: rain only in the wintertime. And when he says winter,
1:05:42
Speaker 6: you know, it's like people could go winter, it must
1:05:44
Speaker 6: be snow. No, So there's you gotta look at these
1:05:49
Speaker 6: other details and realize that Plato is giving us all
1:05:51
Speaker 6: these clues. He says, the phrases like cereals and legomes.
1:05:56
Speaker 6: He says the island faces the sea, but the word
1:05:58
Speaker 6: island could be a translated for oasis. And then he
1:06:02
Speaker 6: says it lives under the light of the sun, which
1:06:05
Speaker 6: is a plan way of saying it's in the desert.
1:06:07
Speaker 6: And he says there's horses, ferocious animals. He uses the
1:06:11
Speaker 6: phrase Atlantic polagae, not Atlantic ocean. So there's different phrases
1:06:16
Speaker 6: for water types in Greek. An original one was Atlantic
1:06:19
Speaker 6: Polagae or Atlantic Pelagos, and that's because there's two references
1:06:24
Speaker 6: of sea, so that's where that confusion comes about. He
1:06:27
Speaker 6: also references that there are twelve kings but one sovereign.
1:06:30
Speaker 6: That's kind of like how Egypt's monarchic system was established.
1:06:33
Speaker 6: There are main nodes of Egypt, no marks, they call them.
1:06:36
Speaker 6: He also references the gods, and we know that Poseidon
1:06:40
Speaker 6: has always been associated with the Atlantean world, not the
1:06:44
Speaker 6: Greek world. The Greek world is the Hellenes to Athena,
1:06:48
Speaker 6: not related to Poseidon. Poseidon, they say, went down to
1:06:52
Speaker 6: the land of Ethiopia and had a party or something
1:06:55
Speaker 6: or sometimes for the Atlantia and the Roman translations, so that's.
1:06:59
Speaker 2: Going to the well.
1:07:01
Speaker 7: The Minoans also had interactions with Poseidon as well, who
1:07:05
Speaker 7: gave them the white bull that ended up that ends
1:07:08
Speaker 7: up becoming the father of the Minotaur.
1:07:11
Speaker 6: And where do bulls come from? There were no bulls
1:07:14
Speaker 6: in Europe in the Ice Age, right, so the origins
1:07:19
Speaker 6: of the wars is a is a European I'm sorry,
1:07:22
Speaker 6: is an African bull or a or not Caucasia but
1:07:25
Speaker 6: in the Caucaus regions in Iran as well. So we
1:07:28
Speaker 6: can figure out the migration of bulls and feel like,
1:07:32
Speaker 6: where did the bull cult come from? It came from
1:07:34
Speaker 6: the Middle East, because that's where the migration of bulls
1:07:36
Speaker 6: went up to. Once the Ice Age retreated, they went
1:07:39
Speaker 6: up that way, but majority of the bull domestication happened
1:07:43
Speaker 6: in the Middle East. Same with horses. Horses first were
1:07:45
Speaker 6: domesticated by the Indo Ariyans in Ukraine. But when then
1:07:49
Speaker 6: they went down to across the Black Sea into Italy,
1:07:52
Speaker 6: I was confused Anatolia Turkey, and then it was the
1:07:56
Speaker 6: hit Ties that really domesticated and they sold them to Egypt,
1:07:59
Speaker 6: and then Egypt became real power once they had horses.
1:08:01
Speaker 6: So horses are a major influence on the development of
1:08:05
Speaker 6: an advanced civilization. Alcoho horse, you would not be an
1:08:08
Speaker 6: advanced civilization. And that's why Native Americans were not able
1:08:11
Speaker 6: to fully consolidate power fracture because they couldn't move fast
1:08:14
Speaker 6: enough and also there's too much land. So geography really
1:08:19
Speaker 6: dictates how civilization is baked and bubbled up and mixed.
1:08:23
Speaker 2: You looked at the way horses migrated.
1:08:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are two types. Well, mainly the brown horse
1:08:31
Speaker 6: that came down to Turkey.
1:08:32
Speaker 2: They started, well, I thought there was some that actually
1:08:35
Speaker 2: started in South America.
1:08:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, the ice age ones, but they're extinct.
1:08:42
Speaker 6: So these are the we can the genes of modern
1:08:46
Speaker 6: day horses and there where they come from. I'm just saying, yeah,
1:08:50
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a stretch because you're gonna go to
1:08:53
Speaker 6: go in the ice stage. But Plato is saying it
1:08:55
Speaker 6: doesn't rain, so he's referring to a desert region. And
1:09:01
Speaker 6: again you gotta put in Plato's.
1:09:02
Speaker 2: Perspective, maybe you're not getting much rain. It's a little small.
1:09:08
Speaker 6: Okay, this is where semantics are playing.
1:09:13
Speaker 2: Semantics prove that maybe.
1:09:15
Speaker 8: Maybe Plato was a sadistic fuck and he made all
1:09:19
Speaker 8: this ship up, like the fucking cities of Gold and
1:09:22
Speaker 8: ship to make people want to go on a wild
1:09:24
Speaker 8: goose chase for this ship that never existed, just the thought.
1:09:28
Speaker 8: But I don't necessarily know if he didn't make all
1:09:31
Speaker 8: this ship up or like just jam a bunch of
1:09:33
Speaker 8: like random facts together from different places he had seen
1:09:36
Speaker 8: and was like, there's this mystical place and it's called Atlantis.
1:09:40
Speaker 8: Is like, fuck you why because you so I don't know.
1:09:45
Speaker 8: I just you know, sometimes I struggle with this stuff.
1:09:47
Speaker 5: Is it really even real? I feel you?
1:09:51
Speaker 6: For example, he says, there's monumental architecture and there's three
1:09:54
Speaker 6: main types of stone used in that. There's red, white,
1:09:57
Speaker 6: and black. Okay, what did egyptpad? It had black diarite,
1:10:00
Speaker 6: white limestone, white albast a, red granite. So and then
1:10:05
Speaker 6: he says, you know there was a major war. We
1:10:08
Speaker 6: know what he's getting that. He's probably getting that from
1:10:10
Speaker 6: Homer the Trojan War, because that was a big deal
1:10:13
Speaker 6: to the Greeks because of the hit tights. So he's
1:10:16
Speaker 6: kind of he's definitely getting motifs from the Middle East
1:10:19
Speaker 6: because he says phrases like you know there was rivers
1:10:21
Speaker 6: and there's lots of canals, and these canals branch off rivers.
1:10:24
Speaker 6: Well that's what agapad. But then he says there are
1:10:27
Speaker 6: lofty mountains. Okay, well, now he's expanding the scale because
1:10:31
Speaker 6: he's saying he's talking about the continent, so he's probably
1:10:34
Speaker 6: referring to the Atlas mountain range. So that was part
1:10:39
Speaker 6: of Atlantis. So Jimmy's right to associate with North Africa.
1:10:43
Speaker 6: It's just it's not the islands Hea. Okay, there's no
1:10:45
Speaker 6: there's no obelisk and pillars or whatever. There's no monumental
1:10:49
Speaker 6: architecture on the foundation stone, foundation bedrock of the islands Aha,
1:10:54
Speaker 6: of the Rickat structure. So that's way out of the
1:10:57
Speaker 6: context of where harad Is traveled. So wherever Haradus went,
1:11:01
Speaker 6: that's what Plato's referring to, and he didn't go down
1:11:05
Speaker 6: that far south. Now, the Nava Hanna, the navigator did
1:11:09
Speaker 6: travel around West Africa and he went down we don't
1:11:12
Speaker 6: know exactly how far, but probably about center of Africa
1:11:14
Speaker 6: that he went back. So those travels may have influenced
1:11:18
Speaker 6: Plato as well. But Plato again, if you listen to
1:11:21
Speaker 6: Tmaths Kris, it's saying within two types of pillars inside
1:11:24
Speaker 6: the Big Sea, but also conquering the little Sea, and
1:11:27
Speaker 6: the little sea is the Greek Sea. According to the
1:11:30
Speaker 6: two priests, there are two priests that were speaking to
1:11:32
Speaker 6: Solon we can go next life. So the basic timeline
1:11:43
Speaker 6: I would put this out is basically at the Santorini eruption.
1:11:46
Speaker 6: So I do have the grieve scholars that has something
1:11:48
Speaker 6: to do with Santorini. Every scar I ran across ended
1:11:51
Speaker 6: up back at this date of one thousand, six hundred PC.
1:11:54
Speaker 6: So you've got the Atlantean world, which is the Middle
1:11:56
Speaker 6: East basically, and then the Tartessian world, which is the
1:11:59
Speaker 6: Roman Greek War, and that didn't start until definitely after
1:12:02
Speaker 6: the Bronze Age collapse and the Romans really started to
1:12:04
Speaker 6: gain a lot more power in Italy, and tartels really
1:12:08
Speaker 6: wasn't associated to Spain right away. It was associated to
1:12:11
Speaker 6: Italy because that's where the Greeks first colonized. Then over
1:12:15
Speaker 6: time they went to Spain. But there's conflation between that legend,
1:12:18
Speaker 6: but that's a whole other story. So the original Lanteans,
1:12:21
Speaker 6: they weren't white. They were probably Berber Egyptian, hit Tied
1:12:25
Speaker 6: Iranian kind of descent a mix of tan skin or
1:12:29
Speaker 6: brown skin, and they're from the land of the Sun.
1:12:33
Speaker 6: You know, we're living under the sun, as Plato says,
1:12:36
Speaker 6: and then that Bronze Age collapse happens, and then shiftings
1:12:39
Speaker 6: start to shift. But again the logic is, it's not
1:12:42
Speaker 6: that the Greek the priest's science is saying Atlantic our
1:12:44
Speaker 6: island was destroyed. Now he's actually saying we recovered. Even
1:12:48
Speaker 6: though there's lots of evidence in Egypt of earthquake damage
1:12:51
Speaker 6: everywhere on some megalithic structures, and there's a show called
1:12:55
Speaker 6: Ancient Armageddon just kind of like as Apocalypse, but this
1:12:59
Speaker 6: was definitely more mainstream documentary on HBO Max and Ancient Armageddon.
1:13:03
Speaker 6: There are scholars and they're saying that, yeah, there's definitely evidence.
1:13:06
Speaker 6: We're seeing that there's a lot of major earthquake damage
1:13:08
Speaker 6: in all these temples, and they could date to around
1:13:11
Speaker 6: the Centuri eruption. The problem is they have to move
1:13:14
Speaker 6: that Bronze Age collapse from the Early Bronze Age to
1:13:17
Speaker 6: the Middle Bronze Age. So there's a chance that scholars
1:13:21
Speaker 6: are definitely wrong about the dates of when this happened,
1:13:23
Speaker 6: and Plato may actually be right sort of but Plato
1:13:26
Speaker 6: would put it to around one thousand, five hundred and
1:13:28
Speaker 6: fifty pc if we go by the nine hundred hypothesis.
1:13:33
Speaker 6: So that's where you got the Old World Atlanteans, which
1:13:36
Speaker 6: were basically, you know, the biblical world where they were naked,
1:13:39
Speaker 6: you know, they dressed more seductively in the sense, but
1:13:41
Speaker 6: in Europe they had to wear more clothes because it
1:13:44
Speaker 6: was colder on average, So there's a transition. You know,
1:13:48
Speaker 6: as clothing developed and technology developed, the Europeans expanded. Once
1:13:51
Speaker 6: you're written into Ukraine, there is tenfold amount of agricultural
1:13:56
Speaker 6: land compared to what eachypt ever had. But it takes
1:13:59
Speaker 6: a large population to be able to control all that land,
1:14:01
Speaker 6: so it took a long time for the Europeans to
1:14:05
Speaker 6: gain that temperate climate zone. But once the population grew
1:14:09
Speaker 6: big enough, they became more powerful than Egypt the Romans.
1:14:13
Speaker 6: And that's why Europe had a geopltical advantage compared to
1:14:18
Speaker 6: other parts of the world because of their geography and
1:14:21
Speaker 6: their closeness, their proxymmetry to the original Atlantis and Garden
1:14:25
Speaker 6: of Eden, because civilizations started in the Middle East of
1:14:30
Speaker 6: gobecuy Tepe and karin Tepe.
1:14:32
Speaker 7: If we look at the corridor from the Turkey region
1:14:37
Speaker 7: up into the Black Sea. We see the journeys of
1:14:40
Speaker 7: Jason and the Argonauts going over there to get the
1:14:42
Speaker 7: Golden Fleece, and what they found is that there was
1:14:45
Speaker 7: a big processing center of gold over in the western
1:14:49
Speaker 7: part or the eastern part of the Black Sea, which
1:14:52
Speaker 7: is where Jason and his crew were going. So they
1:14:55
Speaker 7: had a link not only to ancient Egypt, but all
1:14:58
Speaker 7: the way up into the Caucasus. And we see today
1:15:01
Speaker 7: the Russian language is based off of the Greek, you know,
1:15:07
Speaker 7: morphology of their their alphabet, So you've got.
1:15:09
Speaker 6: A huge Venetians originally yeah, right.
1:15:13
Speaker 7: Through Cadmus, right, but you've got that huge Greek influence.
1:15:15
Speaker 7: And you know, we see Eastern Orthodox Church up in
1:15:19
Speaker 7: Russia coming through that Anatolian region, So that you know,
1:15:24
Speaker 7: the whole connection to up there in the Black Sea
1:15:27
Speaker 7: region and the Greeks that's less talked about than the
1:15:32
Speaker 7: rest of the Mediterranean because they had contacted.
1:15:34
Speaker 6: Because most of the trade was definitely coming to Turkey
1:15:37
Speaker 6: and Egypt and the Palestinian region because that's where agriculture
1:15:41
Speaker 6: was really being developed, was more sophisticated compared to the
1:15:45
Speaker 6: early Greeks means seven RBC. But then eventually as they
1:15:48
Speaker 6: learned that that those trades, you know, they did spread
1:15:51
Speaker 6: up into Ukraine. Well, typically the Crimean region is probably
1:15:55
Speaker 6: where they landed, but most of them probably were still
1:15:57
Speaker 6: following the coastline of northern Turkey, and then some braved
1:16:01
Speaker 6: enough went across the Black Sea. But the majority of
1:16:04
Speaker 6: trade routes are not going up to Europe until the
1:16:06
Speaker 6: Roman periods.
1:16:08
Speaker 7: And metallurgy is coming through that region in DEGREECE, so
1:16:12
Speaker 7: they've got the majority of metal.
1:16:14
Speaker 6: The majority of the metal came from the Phoenicians, and
1:16:17
Speaker 6: that came.
1:16:18
Speaker 7: From the Middle The Greeks were the Scythians, and the
1:16:22
Speaker 7: Scythian region is all the way up there in the
1:16:25
Speaker 7: Black Sea Coxes regions. That's where they got a lot
1:16:27
Speaker 7: of their mythology from is through the Cythian influence as well.
1:16:30
Speaker 7: So they've got to.
1:16:34
Speaker 8: Question just really quick, for Peter, uh, are we maybe
1:16:39
Speaker 8: I'm putting the cart before the horse, but are we
1:16:42
Speaker 8: totally just eliminating like the weird metaphysical spiritual weirdness with
1:16:47
Speaker 8: this story, because.
1:16:48
Speaker 6: I guess it has when you really read Plato. Plato
1:16:53
Speaker 6: is concerned about politics, even its cosmological.
1:16:59
Speaker 8: You think I can get on board with him, but
1:17:02
Speaker 8: like I feel like, let's just say I'm retarded. It's
1:17:05
Speaker 8: not hard to do. I do believe that they had
1:17:08
Speaker 8: like fucking some extra okay, interdimensional weirdness going on, maybe
1:17:14
Speaker 8: some spiritualism, some contacting of like some higher up motherfuckers. Yeah,
1:17:22
Speaker 8: some shit like that like that. That's where I'm at
1:17:25
Speaker 8: with it. I mean, I get Plato and like all
1:17:27
Speaker 8: that stuff. He could be a horrible war in making
1:17:30
Speaker 8: shit up too, and I could be definitely wrong. But
1:17:33
Speaker 8: when I think of Atlantis, even if it's Egypt or
1:17:35
Speaker 8: like some kind of like a subsidy of Egypt or whatever,
1:17:39
Speaker 8: all I think about is fallen angel technology communicating with
1:17:45
Speaker 8: X extraterrestrial, interdimensional whatever type of spirits fill in the blank,
1:17:51
Speaker 8: and like having some kind of like otherworldly technology. Like
1:17:57
Speaker 8: you're not going to convince me they build the pyramids
1:17:59
Speaker 8: with fucking ropes and pulleys. You're not going to convince
1:18:02
Speaker 8: me that the the we're like slaves with whips and
1:18:07
Speaker 8: chains and like stuff like that. Like I'm totally you'll
1:18:10
Speaker 8: never convince me of that in a million years.
1:18:13
Speaker 6: And so, like scultures not their own people.
1:18:16
Speaker 8: Well, woever, I think they fucking leavitate anyways. Like like
1:18:22
Speaker 8: if you were to say there's a spiritual aspect to this,
1:18:27
Speaker 8: like where.
1:18:28
Speaker 6: Let me get to slide the next slide? I think
1:18:30
Speaker 6: I do show.
1:18:31
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, Howard is saying, right here, sound residents, Yeah, cimatics.
1:18:37
Speaker 5: He plays a big role in that.
1:18:39
Speaker 6: Actually, go to the next slide after. I'll go back
1:18:42
Speaker 6: to them later. Next one. Let's see, next one, we'll
1:18:47
Speaker 6: go back. I can't even get to Okay, So I
1:18:50
Speaker 6: love this painting. Okay, So this is a kind of
1:18:52
Speaker 6: a symbolic reference by this uh, this artist trying to
1:18:57
Speaker 6: describe the tomais and trying to describe the cosmold. So yes,
1:19:01
Speaker 6: Plato is definitely influenced by a spiritual world. But Plato
1:19:05
Speaker 6: had a little bit more of an atheistic perspective on
1:19:09
Speaker 6: the cosmology. So he did believe as above so below.
1:19:13
Speaker 6: He believed that basically the idea, you know, whatever you
1:19:16
Speaker 6: bind on Earth is bound in heaven, and the gods
1:19:19
Speaker 6: will influence geopolitics. So when the super massive volcano goes boom,
1:19:24
Speaker 6: they believe possibility that the gods may have caused the
1:19:27
Speaker 6: volcano go boom. Now, did the actual UAPs make the
1:19:31
Speaker 6: volcano go boom? Probably not. The UAPs were probably just
1:19:34
Speaker 6: sitting around watching. As the Bible says, they're the watchers
1:19:39
Speaker 6: when it comes to actual supernatural interventions into history. If
1:19:43
Speaker 6: you go back a slide, you know what.
1:19:46
Speaker 4: I was just thinking though, like real quick, sure, wasn't
1:19:50
Speaker 4: it like Marsilio Ficino kind of translating Plato that spurred
1:19:55
Speaker 4: like the Renaissance kind of Yeah, you can't say that
1:20:01
Speaker 4: motherfucker wasn't spiritual if we old renaissances.
1:20:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, there's definitely influence, Like a lot
1:20:07
Speaker 6: of Christians really give honor to Plato on the cosmology
1:20:13
Speaker 6: God and angels and gods.
1:20:15
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:20:16
Speaker 6: But again, ultimately, at the end of Tamayas, he goes
1:20:20
Speaker 6: back to saying all this cosmological bs, I mean not bs,
1:20:23
Speaker 6: but you know, all this stuff about cosmology, and then
1:20:26
Speaker 6: he go simplifies and say, well, you know, let's go
1:20:28
Speaker 6: back to talk about war, and it's all just a
1:20:31
Speaker 6: reference to the war because the Persians were the big
1:20:34
Speaker 6: bad guy. They're bad, Okay, So he was he wanted
1:20:37
Speaker 6: to take all this spiritual stuff and say we need
1:20:40
Speaker 6: to fight against the persians basically, so you go back
1:20:43
Speaker 6: a slide to actual understanding of supernatural entities. Go back
1:20:48
Speaker 6: one slide, USh kind of explain. I think two slides
1:20:51
Speaker 6: are okay, So this is where you know, this may
1:20:57
Speaker 6: have nothing to go. I'm sorry, go back, but go forward,
1:21:00
Speaker 6: I think, oh, go forward, I'm sorry, okay, this is
1:21:07
Speaker 6: go back.
1:21:11
Speaker 9: There we go.
1:21:11
Speaker 6: Okay. So this is where this may have nothing to
1:21:13
Speaker 6: really do in a Plato's perspective, but more of our perspective,
1:21:18
Speaker 6: because now we do have an anthropological understanding of our past.
1:21:22
Speaker 6: We do have understanding that there are lots of evidence
1:21:25
Speaker 6: of hominids, dozens of bones, hundreds if not thousands, and
1:21:30
Speaker 6: more is being found, and something did change in us,
1:21:34
Speaker 6: and scientists are arguing in anthropologistaying there's something changed with
1:21:38
Speaker 6: the fox speed two gene and the nova gene in
1:21:41
Speaker 6: our brain related to language, and the vocal cord lyrics
1:21:44
Speaker 6: elongated and changing its form slightly. And then there's the
1:21:48
Speaker 6: mutation for us to be able to handle milk for lactose,
1:21:52
Speaker 6: and that happened around ten thousand years ago, and then
1:21:54
Speaker 6: there's mutation of the chin. So every hominid that we
1:21:57
Speaker 6: find that you know, like Michael talks about you always
1:22:00
Speaker 6: want to say, oh, what if these hominants were advanced, No,
1:22:03
Speaker 6: they're archaic. We can tell clearly by the anatomy, and
1:22:07
Speaker 6: that's it shows that there's something mutating in us. The
1:22:11
Speaker 6: question is, can UAPs do small discrete interventions at the
1:22:17
Speaker 6: molecular biological level. I would say as a Catholic, I
1:22:19
Speaker 6: would not rule that out, but it can be very discrete.
1:22:23
Speaker 6: So if evolution doesn't steer us in the right direction,
1:22:26
Speaker 6: once in a while, maybe these UAPs will intervene at
1:22:30
Speaker 6: the genetic level, but at a micro discrete matter that
1:22:33
Speaker 6: we wouldn't be able to tell. And it completely shifts
1:22:37
Speaker 6: how we evolve into an advanced civilization. So we go
1:22:40
Speaker 6: from being in Plato's cave, not understanding the whole world
1:22:43
Speaker 6: in the big picture as a hominid, and all of
1:22:46
Speaker 6: a sudden at around seventy thousand years ago. So if
1:22:49
Speaker 6: you want to say there's a lot of civilizations in
1:22:51
Speaker 6: the past, it would have to be be have to
1:22:53
Speaker 6: be after seventy thousand years ago, because that's when all
1:22:55
Speaker 6: these mutations start popping up and the birth of art
1:22:59
Speaker 6: really starts to get and hold with the or human's
1:23:04
Speaker 6: actual modern Homo sapien sapiens going up into Europe and
1:23:07
Speaker 6: doing paintings there and those abstract paintings. But other hominins
1:23:11
Speaker 6: never did abstract paintings. It wasn't conceptual, It wasn't They
1:23:14
Speaker 6: had the power of synthetic language. They had communication just
1:23:18
Speaker 6: like a dog does some extent, but they could not speak.
1:23:21
Speaker 6: They were physically impaired by that ability. But all of
1:23:24
Speaker 6: a sudden, as the Bible says, you know, he blew
1:23:27
Speaker 6: into Adam, and then Adam became a man. He had
1:23:29
Speaker 6: the spirit of God was in the image and likeness.
1:23:33
Speaker 6: So something definitely changed es and evolution does explain like
1:23:37
Speaker 6: ninety percent of it, but once in a while there
1:23:40
Speaker 6: could be these slight, abnormal mutational changes, and these UAPs
1:23:44
Speaker 6: clearly exist. The question is how much intervention have they
1:23:48
Speaker 6: really done in history, because again, all it took was
1:23:51
Speaker 6: for one interdimensional being. If you want to believe Jesus
1:23:54
Speaker 6: was one of them to intervene in the Roman Empire
1:23:56
Speaker 6: and boom chain reaction of the whole geoplical worldview, just
1:23:59
Speaker 6: like that, it was only thirty eight thirty three years
1:24:02
Speaker 6: or less. Just a magic wizard man like Gandalf appeared
1:24:05
Speaker 6: and boom, it changed history forever. Same thing with Mohammed.
1:24:08
Speaker 6: Mohammad had experienced boom. It changes the whole geopolitical chessboard.
1:24:12
Speaker 6: So angels or these into the interdimensional beings may have
1:24:17
Speaker 6: a slight hand in guiding the program or the simulation,
1:24:23
Speaker 6: but it's not ultimately it's the cosmic god or Allah
1:24:27
Speaker 6: or you know, as Plato describes. You know, there is
1:24:30
Speaker 6: one cosmic god that's hidden. He is ultimately control of
1:24:34
Speaker 6: order versus chaos, and there is this kind of trajectory
1:24:39
Speaker 6: into orders. We see we moved from something, We moved
1:24:42
Speaker 6: from something ugly and fearful to something beautiful and loving.
1:24:47
Speaker 6: And that that's profound in human in the planet of
1:24:51
Speaker 6: this history, because there's no evidence that we have buildings
1:24:55
Speaker 6: like this. Back ten thousand years ago, we would found
1:24:58
Speaker 6: the foundation stones of the universes. You know, they would
1:25:01
Speaker 6: have built something like a university if they advanced at
1:25:04
Speaker 6: our level, but we have nothing. It would not be
1:25:07
Speaker 6: completely gone. Okay, look at Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore would
1:25:10
Speaker 6: be there for a million years, assuming people don't blow
1:25:13
Speaker 6: it up. Or Crazy Horse Monument in South Dakota as well,
1:25:18
Speaker 6: So we have something definitely changed the question is did
1:25:22
Speaker 6: these UAPs have a hand. Absolutely when it comes to
1:25:25
Speaker 6: cultural influence. They appear to people, maybe to this one
1:25:29
Speaker 6: prophet or whatever, or they manifest physically as avatars poof
1:25:34
Speaker 6: in and out, and they're influencing culture. And that's what
1:25:36
Speaker 6: Jacques Falle is saying. So yes, they are having intervention.
1:25:40
Speaker 6: But Plato isn't really actually as concerned with the gods
1:25:43
Speaker 6: as you might think. He's more of like communists if
1:25:45
Speaker 6: you actually listen to him at times, he's a little
1:25:48
Speaker 6: bit more atheistic, but he knows the gods exists, but
1:25:51
Speaker 6: he's taking the allegory of the gods and making allegorical
1:25:54
Speaker 6: for geopolitical reasons because he's more concerned about politics, like
1:25:59
Speaker 6: everybody seems to be.
1:26:07
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was muted going sorry, that was a big rant.
1:26:16
Speaker 6: So if you go back to the David Miando slide,
1:26:18
Speaker 6: let me let me go back one more, or just
1:26:21
Speaker 6: gonna skip around so you can go back.
1:26:25
Speaker 9: One more.
1:26:26
Speaker 6: I guess okay, so this is where I'm gonna call out.
1:26:30
Speaker 6: You know, these two archaeolo are not archaeologists but historian
1:26:33
Speaker 6: and archaeologists. I respect doctor David Miano. Oops, what happened
1:26:36
Speaker 6: to my Earboots and Flint Dipple to some degree. Okay,
1:26:39
Speaker 6: I've reached out to them. Miano is aware of me,
1:26:42
Speaker 6: but he's ignoring me. He's give me the silent treatment,
1:26:45
Speaker 6: but he's aware and he he would probably be open
1:26:49
Speaker 6: to the eypothsis of Egypt being an influence on Atlantis
1:26:52
Speaker 6: because of authors or researchers like Jake Gwen Griffiths of
1:26:54
Speaker 6: Oxford University, who's the first to propose it. But he's
1:26:59
Speaker 6: ignoring presents to his audience. He's intentionally ignoring it. He's
1:27:02
Speaker 6: not bringing up the connection between Egypt and Hittites and
1:27:04
Speaker 6: the Persians, which would fit with the mainstream archaeological record,
1:27:08
Speaker 6: other than maybe shifting the Bronze Age collapse to the
1:27:11
Speaker 6: Middle Bronze Age instead of the earlier or Late Bronze
1:27:14
Speaker 6: Age or earlier sorry get confused, like the Early Bronze
1:27:18
Speaker 6: Age at one thousand and two hundred PC versus one
1:27:21
Speaker 6: thousand and six hundred PC. So that's where I'm open
1:27:23
Speaker 6: to possibility that dates are off by a few hundred
1:27:25
Speaker 6: years at the most. But Flint Dibble and Mian are
1:27:29
Speaker 6: so focused more on fighting back against more of the
1:27:32
Speaker 6: New Age at perspective and not really presenting an actual
1:27:35
Speaker 6: rational perspective on Atlantis because they are more liberal and
1:27:38
Speaker 6: they understand that Atlantis does have connections with the Nazis,
1:27:41
Speaker 6: and Nazis wanted to take Atlantis and make it their
1:27:44
Speaker 6: own story. Just as Eric Vondanaka and Zacharisichen are making
1:27:49
Speaker 6: things bigger than it really needs to be. They're trying
1:27:51
Speaker 6: to fit to their national politics. Again, it's political. Things
1:27:55
Speaker 6: become political even in archaeology and science, and Plato was
1:27:59
Speaker 6: very politic. He wrote the story because he hated the
1:28:01
Speaker 6: purchase because they wiped out Athens, so naturally that he's
1:28:06
Speaker 6: writing me story stories to figure out should we be
1:28:09
Speaker 6: like the old world or we could be something new?
1:28:12
Speaker 6: And I would I would tell doctor Miano and doctor
1:28:15
Speaker 6: Flint Dibble that yeah, Atlantis is real, but you just
1:28:19
Speaker 6: need to present these other researchers that you're ignoring, like
1:28:24
Speaker 6: Jay Gwen Griffiths is probably number one, J G. Bennett,
1:28:28
Speaker 6: old Rickter of Stupennheind, Germany, and many others. And they're
1:28:31
Speaker 6: all mostly from Europe and they figured out this, but
1:28:33
Speaker 6: they're in other languages and you have to find the
1:28:36
Speaker 6: English translations of their work to be able to figure
1:28:38
Speaker 6: out what they're arguing, which is a lot logical and
1:28:41
Speaker 6: rational that even Graham Hancock is starting to shift. He say, Okay,
1:28:45
Speaker 6: I understand Lances to me is more of a concept
1:28:47
Speaker 6: for a lot of civilization in the Ice Age, and
1:28:49
Speaker 6: I'm not ruin out there might be another source of
1:28:52
Speaker 6: civilization in the Ice Age at the level of Karen
1:28:54
Speaker 6: Teppe go Beckley Tepe, another one of those, somewhere in
1:28:57
Speaker 6: the Middle East, or maybe even long the equator zone,
1:29:01
Speaker 6: as Graham is arguing, is probably where that lostivilization would be.
1:29:04
Speaker 6: I agree there's a chance of that, but today we
1:29:07
Speaker 6: reach the level of Roman Egypt. Absolutely not. We would
1:29:10
Speaker 6: have found those Megoithic statues at that level, but we
1:29:14
Speaker 6: don't see that. So Randall, I'm sorry. Meano Inflant's right,
1:29:18
Speaker 6: there is no evidence, you know, of transfer of certain
1:29:21
Speaker 6: types of plants like apples or corn. There's no evidence
1:29:24
Speaker 6: of glass. Glass wasn't really invented until later periods after
1:29:27
Speaker 6: the Bronze Age, and there's some glass the Egyptians had
1:29:30
Speaker 6: in the hit tides, but not near at the level
1:29:33
Speaker 6: until later periods. So glass we should be able to
1:29:35
Speaker 6: find glass. You could break down glass, but there's still
1:29:37
Speaker 6: be sharks and you could tell it be manufactured. We
1:29:40
Speaker 6: have never found any glass in any burial mount ever,
1:29:44
Speaker 6: other than natural glass like ones found in Egypt actually
1:29:50
Speaker 6: from produced by from asteroids millions of years ago, or
1:29:53
Speaker 6: iron like we should be able to find some kind
1:29:55
Speaker 6: of iron pick would have survived by now. Or the
1:29:57
Speaker 6: fact that all the oil wells are not depleted. There's
1:30:02
Speaker 6: still bundance amounts of oil. And if you want to
1:30:05
Speaker 6: show that oil has been depleted, you know, you have
1:30:08
Speaker 6: to be able to say that there's like no easy
1:30:12
Speaker 6: oil to extract, but there's plenty of easy oil, which
1:30:15
Speaker 6: indicates that there was never any advancedivization within the past
1:30:19
Speaker 6: thirty million years now fifty five million years ago. Now
1:30:24
Speaker 6: we can argue there's a chance there could have been
1:30:26
Speaker 6: a loss civization, or you know, if beyond.
1:30:31
Speaker 7: That, out of place artifacts. So you've got in coal
1:30:35
Speaker 7: deposits in West Virginia, they've got, you know, little trinkets
1:30:38
Speaker 7: and metal that seems to be from a completely different
1:30:41
Speaker 7: civilization we're talking about. I was gonna mention that years ago, Yeah, yeah.
1:30:46
Speaker 6: Look like a sword does it look back to And
1:30:53
Speaker 6: I would even see those pictures I've looked at the
1:30:55
Speaker 6: pixel called pick in Texas, that general, which just to argue,
1:31:01
Speaker 6: is petrified, and I've seen it personally, and there's different
1:31:06
Speaker 6: types of petrification. But we need to see very clear
1:31:09
Speaker 6: evidence for something massive, a massive clean like that, and
1:31:12
Speaker 6: the only thing we have is the place to thermal map.
1:31:16
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean as a Catholic, you can understand this.
1:31:19
Speaker 8: I mean, show me evidence of like half of the
1:31:22
Speaker 8: ship in the Bible, right, but we all believe it.
1:31:24
Speaker 8: That's the faith aspect of it. I mean, where's Jesus's
1:31:27
Speaker 8: bones and like whatever. It's like, this is the faith aspect.
1:31:34
Speaker 8: Cannot but you cannot. So it takes people like me,
1:31:38
Speaker 8: who might be totally over the fence and crazy, and
1:31:41
Speaker 8: people like you who are more historical, to meet in
1:31:43
Speaker 8: the middle. And there could be truth somewhere in there.
1:31:46
Speaker 8: I think, like Atlantis, they had like advanced technology. I
1:31:52
Speaker 8: don't believe ins and like you know, I just I think,
1:31:58
Speaker 8: you know, there could be multiple things that are true
1:32:01
Speaker 8: at the same time. I don't think you have to
1:32:04
Speaker 8: necessarily find evidence of Atlantis for it to have existed.
1:32:09
Speaker 8: It may just have it in a different state. I
1:32:12
Speaker 8: don't think so, because I mean, people believe it in
1:32:14
Speaker 8: Santa Plus and ship like that, and they have no
1:32:17
Speaker 8: evidence of that.
1:32:18
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you wouldn't have much of a Bible
1:32:21
Speaker 2: to go by if you don't want to, if.
1:32:23
Speaker 6: You need influenced Plato, not the Bible. But you know
1:32:28
Speaker 6: the ancient scrolls the Hebrews wrote, because the Hebrews carbonated
1:32:32
Speaker 6: scrolls are right around the same time as the Greek scrolls.
1:32:35
Speaker 6: Why because they're talking with each other.
1:32:38
Speaker 5: It's the same thing with the dinosaurs, you know. I mean,
1:32:40
Speaker 5: they they present to us this evidence and they draw
1:32:42
Speaker 5: all these pictures up for us, but dinosaurs really were
1:32:45
Speaker 5: never really mentioned, you know. I mean large lizards were mentioned,
1:32:49
Speaker 5: Dragons more so big birds maybe right dragon, there.
1:32:56
Speaker 6: Was no The word leviathan derives from a snake or
1:33:01
Speaker 6: a whale. There's two debates whether it's referring to whales
1:33:04
Speaker 6: or a snake. Because in Egypt, what do we find.
1:33:07
Speaker 6: We literally find ancient whalebones on the surface. So when people,
1:33:11
Speaker 6: you know, Berber tribes ran across that, they say, hey,
1:33:14
Speaker 6: that's a Leviathan because they literally saw a giant bone
1:33:17
Speaker 6: that's you know, fifty feet long or you know, the
1:33:19
Speaker 6: the spine of it so that's where they're getting that
1:33:22
Speaker 6: from the fact that we had that exposed whale bone
1:33:25
Speaker 6: or some type of ancient whale that's like fifty years ago.
1:33:29
Speaker 5: That's evidence many different mont or you know, ancient creatures
1:33:33
Speaker 5: from many different cultures, but your core.
1:33:35
Speaker 6: But the problem is you're not conflating them. Yes, because
1:33:40
Speaker 6: the conflation is, you know, the god's avatars versus actual animals.
1:33:47
Speaker 6: So when you say bigfoot or werewolves, do they exist Catholics? Okay,
1:33:50
Speaker 6: real Catholics that look into this. Absolutely, Bigfoot is real,
1:33:55
Speaker 6: but it's not an evolutionary creature born from nature. It's
1:33:59
Speaker 6: just an avatar of an angel or a demon. They
1:34:01
Speaker 6: can change from a werewolf to a bigfoot to a
1:34:04
Speaker 6: great instantaneously. That's the nature of the gods. This is
1:34:08
Speaker 6: where doctor Mionnodin. People don't understand that the conservation of
1:34:11
Speaker 6: matter can be broken. That law in physics is going
1:34:14
Speaker 6: to change as UAP disclosure is revealed to people. And
1:34:18
Speaker 6: Big Brother, the military, the Pentagon, the intelligenceies are holding
1:34:23
Speaker 6: everyone's hand right now, so they don't scare the children.
1:34:26
Speaker 6: We are the children. So there these entities.
1:34:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm on and I'm a Christian.
1:34:32
Speaker 6: By the way.
1:34:33
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, sometimes you don't need evidence for shit
1:34:35
Speaker 8: to be real. And I don't believe necessarily in dinosaurs. Okay,
1:34:39
Speaker 8: there might have been some serpentine creature something, some ship.
1:34:43
Speaker 6: Like that, but there's lots of bones of dinosaurs.
1:34:46
Speaker 8: There's lots of lie you.
1:34:49
Speaker 5: Know, were they bones of dinosaurs? I mean, you know
1:34:51
Speaker 5: they there's talk of giants in the past, but where
1:34:54
Speaker 5: where are the giant bones? You know, there's dragons, giants
1:34:57
Speaker 5: people's cultures. You know, there's drag in the Chinese cultures,
1:35:01
Speaker 5: and I mean you can say nephilim. There's giants in
1:35:04
Speaker 5: every culture as well. They go by different names. You know,
1:35:07
Speaker 5: you're sure, but you know you're coming atically from you know,
1:35:11
Speaker 5: one kind of perspective, and and and and I get that, but.
1:35:16
Speaker 6: But do you literally believe there are giants like in
1:35:19
Speaker 6: a sense that we should be able to find a
1:35:20
Speaker 6: twelve foot skeleton one?
1:35:24
Speaker 2: Absolutelytons.
1:35:25
Speaker 6: I have talked with you, I've made YouTube videos about this,
1:35:28
Speaker 6: and uh, I don't chuck from CFAs the YouTuber that
1:35:30
Speaker 6: die a couple of years ago. He digged into all this,
1:35:33
Speaker 6: and yes, there are definitely legends about all Native Americans,
1:35:37
Speaker 6: and we have archaeological evidence of some of the Americans
1:35:39
Speaker 6: reaching about six to seven feet. That's not abnormal, really,
1:35:42
Speaker 6: it's it's an odd of deep. But there are seven
1:35:44
Speaker 6: feet tall people today. But in the Bible specifically, people
1:35:47
Speaker 6: are correlating the Native American legends with the Bible and reality.
1:35:50
Speaker 6: They're not the same. Again, you're change. You're putting the
1:35:53
Speaker 6: locale of the Bible into the New World, which has
1:35:55
Speaker 6: nothing to do with the Old world. Bible. Reality is
1:36:00
Speaker 6: a reference to is a reference to the Egyptians, and.
1:36:07
Speaker 7: Well a Bashad was a giant that they still have
1:36:10
Speaker 7: his mound, burial mound in Israel that they go to.
1:36:15
Speaker 7: Ashad is one, but they've got several other giants in
1:36:18
Speaker 7: the region.
1:36:19
Speaker 6: So it's skeletons, right, it's all over the place. Where
1:36:24
Speaker 6: are these giants?
1:36:26
Speaker 7: And uh, they're also recording them in the in the
1:36:28
Speaker 7: New World. You've got George Washington that mentions pulling out
1:36:31
Speaker 7: giant skeletons. You've got Abraham Lincoln that mentions all of
1:36:35
Speaker 7: the giant skeletons in the mounds.
1:36:36
Speaker 6: You've got so much of that is exaggerate over time
1:36:39
Speaker 6: because these are newspaper says this eight feet Someone then
1:36:44
Speaker 6: changes say, actually it was ten feet. So I someone
1:36:48
Speaker 6: in Indiana and they couldn't get the dimensions right. They said, oh,
1:36:51
Speaker 6: this lady saw a ten foot I'm like, is that
1:36:53
Speaker 6: the size of the burial or is that the size
1:36:55
Speaker 6: of the skeleton's I think it was the size of
1:36:56
Speaker 6: the skeleton.
1:36:58
Speaker 7: Or we could see massive displays of losing the bones
1:37:03
Speaker 7: by the Smithsonian Institute over and over and over again.
1:37:09
Speaker 7: Government institutions are trying well, I don't know why, but
1:37:12
Speaker 7: I'm telling you that's what they've done. They've done it
1:37:13
Speaker 7: over and over again. And we've got a problem in
1:37:15
Speaker 7: Currosol right now ofiscate the bones of a giant that's
1:37:20
Speaker 7: in a museum in Currosow right now. Because the Currosow
1:37:23
Speaker 7: Islands had they were referred to by Magellan as the
1:37:27
Speaker 7: Giant Islands. Now Magellan says that he met these giants
1:37:31
Speaker 7: in person, as well as the people who go down
1:37:33
Speaker 7: to Patagonia who said that they met giants in person too.
1:37:37
Speaker 7: These different sources from all these.
1:37:40
Speaker 5: Tribes that talk about.
1:37:42
Speaker 6: Just like Fato's Atlantis, the translations may shift slightly over times,
1:37:46
Speaker 6: so there might be misunderstanding.
1:37:50
Speaker 7: All of these tribes were different. They didn't know each other.
1:37:52
Speaker 7: And they talk about the proportions of the giants being
1:37:55
Speaker 7: not that of people with gigantism. They are specifically making
1:37:59
Speaker 7: that claim that it's different from people with gigantism, which
1:38:03
Speaker 7: they understood. So for them to all be saying that,
1:38:06
Speaker 7: and then watching the malfeasance of the Smithsonian Institute as
1:38:10
Speaker 7: well as other government entities, it's really hard to conclude
1:38:13
Speaker 7: that it's not a massive conspiracy to cover up this
1:38:17
Speaker 7: part of us that now we know nothing about.
1:38:20
Speaker 2: It's just the aliens and stuff. They're covering it up
1:38:23
Speaker 2: just like the aliens.
1:38:25
Speaker 7: They haven't tried, you know.
1:38:28
Speaker 6: But there's no doubt that the aliens are really just
1:38:30
Speaker 6: interdimensional beings. It's the interdimensional beings that are actually covering
1:38:34
Speaker 6: themselves up. The Pentagon has no control over the gods.
1:38:37
Speaker 6: If the gods want to hear just like that, they
1:38:40
Speaker 6: could do it, but they're not. So they're being discreete sneaky,
1:38:43
Speaker 6: in deceptive at times. So is it possible that they
1:38:45
Speaker 6: could mutate some humans to produce a few outlier giants
1:38:49
Speaker 6: seven to eight feet tall?
1:38:50
Speaker 9: Sure?
1:38:51
Speaker 6: I think there's something definitely weird in Charentepic. There's definitely
1:38:55
Speaker 6: a reference to six fingers, eight fingers, and some with
1:38:59
Speaker 6: four fings. I don't know what's up of that. The
1:39:01
Speaker 6: current hypothesis is that maybe symbolizes their rank based off
1:39:06
Speaker 6: the number of fingers. A little odd. I'm not sure yet.
1:39:09
Speaker 6: Hopefully we find some actual writing or petroglyphs that come
1:39:12
Speaker 6: out of go Beckwa Teppe and Karen Tape. But there's
1:39:15
Speaker 6: something weird there, and the Bible does reference is polydactylism,
1:39:19
Speaker 6: so there, but it's the question is is there's some
1:39:23
Speaker 6: tradition being passed down from Kiren Teppe go Beckue Tepe
1:39:26
Speaker 6: into the biblical reference with the reference of polydactism. Possibly.
1:39:30
Speaker 6: I wouldn't rule out the possibility that UAPs could mutate
1:39:33
Speaker 6: a few humans, but it would just be some outliers,
1:39:36
Speaker 6: a mutation born and then it dies. But it's not
1:39:39
Speaker 6: persistent where we could see it everywhere because someone, some
1:39:43
Speaker 6: construction worker would have dug it up by now take
1:39:45
Speaker 6: a picture and post on Instagram someone.
1:39:50
Speaker 7: Six fingered hand prints from around the American Southwest, including.
1:39:54
Speaker 6: Some Ye, there's something to that. So there is this
1:39:57
Speaker 6: polym is something possible?
1:40:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, the possible and if it's related to the giants
1:40:04
Speaker 7: as well. Those are two big, glaring coincidences that we
1:40:07
Speaker 7: need to start taking more seriously because I think the
1:40:10
Speaker 7: institutions that are investigating this or not, we're not investigating.
1:40:17
Speaker 8: I think that there are many depictions in hieroglyphics of
1:40:20
Speaker 8: giants too that I mean, if we're talking about Egypt,
1:40:23
Speaker 8: there's some fucking hieroglyphics you might want to check out
1:40:25
Speaker 8: because there's some giants up in that bitch. But I
1:40:28
Speaker 8: also don't believe enough to take the art.
1:40:30
Speaker 6: Too seriously though, because a symbolic at times, Yeah, because
1:40:35
Speaker 6: sometimes a giant it was the power of the feruh,
1:40:38
Speaker 6: not a literal giant.
1:40:41
Speaker 8: Yeah, But I mean some of them, some of them
1:40:44
Speaker 8: might be a metaphor some of them might be like
1:40:46
Speaker 8: real ship. But also.
1:40:50
Speaker 5: What did you say, Jules, I said it could be both.
1:40:53
Speaker 9: Maybe it could be both.
1:40:54
Speaker 6: There's not much evidence.
1:40:57
Speaker 7: The problem is is like we find all of the
1:40:59
Speaker 7: stuff in the world, we find all this stuff in
1:41:01
Speaker 7: the old world, and then we see the same institutions
1:41:04
Speaker 7: coming in and messing up any chance of having a
1:41:06
Speaker 7: real investigation. And that's the problem is that if we
1:41:09
Speaker 7: can't get these ideas taken seriously at least in some way,
1:41:13
Speaker 7: shape or form, the Smithsonian can keep destroying evidence, which
1:41:16
Speaker 7: they've been caught doing over and over again, especially with
1:41:18
Speaker 7: the boneyard up in Alaska. They took all of this
1:41:21
Speaker 7: stuff from the boneyard up in Alaska down to the
1:41:23
Speaker 7: Smithsonian to put it on display, and they just dumped
1:41:26
Speaker 7: it in the river like that type of irresponsible behavior
1:41:30
Speaker 7: needs to be called out, and far too often people
1:41:32
Speaker 7: just say it was that they that they took on
1:41:38
Speaker 7: behalf of a person. No, I don't, I don't know.
1:41:48
Speaker 7: It's it's the same thing. It's the Cosmos Club and
1:41:51
Speaker 7: the Smithsonian Institute working together to keep down certain aspects
1:41:56
Speaker 7: of society. And we have the Cosmos Club pamphlets and
1:41:59
Speaker 7: the things that they wrote about saying we need to
1:42:01
Speaker 7: keep certain truths from the general public. These are the
1:42:04
Speaker 7: founders of the Smithsonian Institute writing that in the Cosmos
1:42:07
Speaker 7: Club this is very important stuff that now we have
1:42:10
Speaker 7: huge chunks of our own history missing because of the
1:42:13
Speaker 7: elites that were mismanaging all of this evidence. And they're
1:42:16
Speaker 7: still doing it to this day, and it's really irresponsible
1:42:19
Speaker 7: for us.
1:42:19
Speaker 6: I think political attitude dictate reality here.
1:42:23
Speaker 9: You're it is very political well.
1:42:28
Speaker 6: Looking at a conspiracy.
1:42:30
Speaker 7: Flint Dibbel, for instance, Flint Dibbel looks at us like
1:42:32
Speaker 7: where children and having that perspective from these institutions looking
1:42:37
Speaker 7: at us like we don't know what we're talking about
1:42:39
Speaker 7: all the time. Is all fatigued by it because we
1:42:46
Speaker 7: asked questions responsible.
1:42:48
Speaker 6: And Dan Dandy Dunker said that he was trying to
1:42:52
Speaker 6: say that Atlantis is eastern island. But we know you
1:42:55
Speaker 6: can literally look it up yourself and read that Plato's's
1:42:58
Speaker 6: elephants and it doesn't rain, and they're lots of gold,
1:43:01
Speaker 6: So it makes no sense that he would make that
1:43:04
Speaker 6: same But because Dan is trying to make the concept
1:43:06
Speaker 6: bigger than what actually played, was saying he's ignoring details intentionally,
1:43:11
Speaker 6: or he's not reading it, or he doesn't care. That's
1:43:13
Speaker 6: what doctor are calling out, and I'm gonna call that out.
1:43:17
Speaker 7: I agree it should be called out. But the patriarchal
1:43:21
Speaker 7: methodology that they use to keep the public away from
1:43:24
Speaker 7: certain inconvenient facts about their own history is really really tiresome.
1:43:30
Speaker 7: I mean, there's no way that we can all just
1:43:32
Speaker 7: say the Smithsonian Institute doesn't have their hands dirty when
1:43:35
Speaker 7: it comes to mismanaging all these articles. There's a reason
1:43:40
Speaker 7: why Trump recently signed a document saying we need to
1:43:43
Speaker 7: have a full accounting of what's going on in the Smithsonian.
1:43:46
Speaker 7: They've been outside of the control of the American people
1:43:48
Speaker 7: for a long time now, and we need.
1:43:50
Speaker 6: It's not the Smithsonian, it's the intelligence agencies. If there's
1:43:54
Speaker 6: let me tell you, for if they find something in
1:43:58
Speaker 6: Iraq that looks like a utated human or chrimera or
1:44:01
Speaker 6: anything like that, the first people are gonna get it
1:44:04
Speaker 6: will be the military, and then they're sending it off
1:44:06
Speaker 6: straight to the intelligence sis to be locked up that.
1:44:10
Speaker 6: I believe Mamsonian, on the other hand, is not going
1:44:12
Speaker 6: to get access to that. See, I will go straight
1:44:16
Speaker 6: to ma Sonian directors say you give us that, or
1:44:19
Speaker 6: we're going to drain your bank account.
1:44:25
Speaker 5: That's what we're trying.
1:44:26
Speaker 7: It's all the same thing. We're just trying to more
1:44:28
Speaker 7: sovilient control.
1:44:29
Speaker 6: It's one more powerful than the other because one hasn't done.
1:44:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, the patriarchal Right, it's the patriarchal nature of how
1:44:38
Speaker 7: they treat us, and they cover for the people who
1:44:40
Speaker 7: are pressuring them instead of exposing it to the people
1:44:42
Speaker 7: who should know about it. And that's The big problem
1:44:45
Speaker 7: is all throughout the institutions we find that same attitude,
1:44:49
Speaker 7: which is why a lot of people get upset about
1:44:51
Speaker 7: this topic because of the fact that there is so
1:44:53
Speaker 7: much obfuscation.
1:44:54
Speaker 6: You know, liberals, there's too many liberal archaeolog just like
1:45:00
Speaker 6: these two and starting to speak out, but there's not
1:45:03
Speaker 6: enough more conservative or rationalistic, realistic archaeologist out there to
1:45:07
Speaker 6: speak out. And that's why you're gaining conflicts. I'm noticing
1:45:10
Speaker 6: a divide. Yeah on Dandy Dunker or Graham or Jimmy
1:45:15
Speaker 6: for Brighton inside there are a lot of them are
1:45:17
Speaker 6: right leaning, and then you're encountering more than left leaning
1:45:20
Speaker 6: academics and you're colliding, and there's not too many centrists
1:45:23
Speaker 6: like me to speak out say yes, there really was
1:45:25
Speaker 6: Atlantis and definitely has something to do with the Middle East,
1:45:29
Speaker 6: and it's broabably Egypt, because as Robert Pavow said, or
1:45:32
Speaker 6: not Roppervow, what's the guy that went on Joe Rogan
1:45:36
Speaker 6: that died. Oh he had the white beer and blanket
1:45:39
Speaker 6: out of his name, but he was saying that, you know,
1:45:41
Speaker 6: there basically was an Atlantis. To Joe Rogan, it has
1:45:44
Speaker 6: something to do with Egypt. I think it was oh
1:45:48
Speaker 6: man like it. I'm sorry, but I agree with Robert
1:45:51
Speaker 6: Vow and others that Egypt could be older because I
1:45:55
Speaker 6: do see artifacts that do have margin of errors. The
1:45:58
Speaker 6: dates of the Exus has a margin of air. Santorini
1:46:00
Speaker 6: has a marginer error. So when you add all these up, yes,
1:46:03
Speaker 6: there is something off of the dating records on things,
1:46:08
Speaker 6: and our coeusion should be open to that. But they
1:46:10
Speaker 6: do ignore the fact that, yeah, actually Santerni could be
1:46:13
Speaker 6: one thousand, six hundred and sixty eight BC or one
1:46:16
Speaker 6: thousand seven RBC. Is there a connection with the Indos
1:46:19
Speaker 6: Valley migration and collapse? And they say, well, well, we
1:46:22
Speaker 6: want to get to that because it complicates things. Well, yeah,
1:46:24
Speaker 6: it might complicate things. Okay, let's actually look at Platon.
1:46:27
Speaker 6: See there is some historical historicity that's shaping his worldview.
1:46:32
Speaker 6: Real things. Elephants are real, the sun is real, the
1:46:35
Speaker 6: gods are real to some extent. They call them UAPs
1:46:39
Speaker 6: or angels and demons. Could they be aliens? The evidence
1:46:42
Speaker 6: isn't strong enough yep for that. So let's go to
1:46:45
Speaker 6: the last slide and I'll just kind of end it here.
1:46:52
Speaker 6: Let's see, Yeah, so for example, I'm definitely open to
1:46:56
Speaker 6: the possibility of something even more macro than the story
1:47:00
Speaker 6: of players Atlantis, Like, could there have been a lot
1:47:02
Speaker 6: of civilization at fifty five million years ago? Yes, Doctor Flint,
1:47:05
Speaker 6: Devil and Miano should be open to that possibility, because
1:47:08
Speaker 6: when you're going back fifty five million years ago now,
1:47:11
Speaker 6: entropy has enough time to completely alter things. Oil would
1:47:16
Speaker 6: be replenished, so it wouldn't be just depleted. It takes
1:47:20
Speaker 6: about fifty about thirty to fifty million years for that
1:47:22
Speaker 6: to be replenished. So it's a possibility Mount Rushmore would
1:47:25
Speaker 6: be completely gone. Okay, crazy horse monument as well. So yeah,
1:47:30
Speaker 6: things could completely roll by that timescale, but not just
1:47:33
Speaker 6: within the past twelve thousand, fifteen thousand years, no, or
1:47:36
Speaker 6: even one hundred thousand years. Mount Rushmore would still exist
1:47:39
Speaker 6: two hundred thousand years from now. It would be hard
1:47:41
Speaker 6: to notice it, but you could see some stylistic carving
1:47:46
Speaker 6: on it. So, but if you want to even go bigger,
1:47:49
Speaker 6: you could say even the pre Carnian Peluvian event two
1:47:53
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty million years ago, a massive extinction event
1:47:56
Speaker 6: could completely wiped off the civilization. A massive rain event
1:47:59
Speaker 6: that happened there, but it has nothing to do with
1:48:01
Speaker 6: any biblical stories, Plato stories, nothing at all, completely disconnected.
1:48:05
Speaker 6: Same thing with Venus. There's a real possibility that Venus
1:48:09
Speaker 6: could have been just like our more so than Mars,
1:48:11
Speaker 6: because the sun was smaller and then it was more
1:48:15
Speaker 6: in the habitable zone, and Venus may have actually had
1:48:17
Speaker 6: a moon, and the hypothesis is that moon may have
1:48:20
Speaker 6: been mercury. If that's the case, there's a high probability
1:48:24
Speaker 6: Venus would have had a civilization because they now have
1:48:27
Speaker 6: detected according to the Japanese spaces and she that they
1:48:30
Speaker 6: found granite, the chemical signature of granite and phosphe. So
1:48:35
Speaker 6: it's looking very likely there's a possibility that, you know,
1:48:38
Speaker 6: if Venus has a civilization, Now what does that mean
1:48:40
Speaker 6: with the whole aspect of religion and the supernatural and
1:48:45
Speaker 6: paranormal things, because it shows that you know, this idea
1:48:49
Speaker 6: of Jesus, like is he an avatar? What do we
1:48:51
Speaker 6: mean by avatar? Is the debate on whether he's an
1:48:54
Speaker 6: interdimensional being. How many Jesuses have there been or is
1:48:57
Speaker 6: there different angels or being intermensial beings for every place planet,
1:49:00
Speaker 6: But they're not the same being. So this does have
1:49:03
Speaker 6: a theological implication in the long run, which I'm open to.
1:49:06
Speaker 6: But we gotta wait until they send those satellites back
1:49:09
Speaker 6: to Venus, which Japan and Russia are gonna do in
1:49:11
Speaker 6: the twenty thirties. It's gonna change the conversation big time
1:49:15
Speaker 6: in the late twenty thirties, I would say, and I
1:49:17
Speaker 6: would definitely be open, like C. S. Lewis was open
1:49:20
Speaker 6: to the possibility that Venus could have had a loss civilization.
1:49:23
Speaker 6: And now, okay, it wasn't gonna be within our timeline,
1:49:27
Speaker 6: but hundreds of millions of years ago, because right now
1:49:31
Speaker 6: NASA's only found about twelve out of six thousand exoplants
1:49:35
Speaker 6: may be considered super harpbule, but that only means it
1:49:38
Speaker 6: has plants, doesn't mean it has a civilization, because our
1:49:41
Speaker 6: civilization is like a blipin time on Earth, so we don't.
1:49:44
Speaker 6: It's hard to line up space and time. Venus is
1:49:47
Speaker 6: so close to us, but they're separated by time. So
1:49:50
Speaker 6: there really are probably extraterrestrials, but they're probably stuck on
1:49:54
Speaker 6: their Garden of Eden, just as we are. And that's
1:49:57
Speaker 6: the sad reality. Probably the Fermi Paradix truly is a thing,
1:50:02
Speaker 6: and the great filters, and we're not gonna carl Sagan said,
1:50:05
Speaker 6: you know, arsivilization is like one second of three hundred
1:50:08
Speaker 6: and sixty five days of the Earth's lifespan. What happens
1:50:10
Speaker 6: in that next second, We're gonna just be gone, and
1:50:12
Speaker 6: maybe two hundred million years later another one pops up
1:50:14
Speaker 6: your backyard squirrel evolves to be the next hominid. It
1:50:18
Speaker 6: could recycle, but it's gonna be have to be a
1:50:21
Speaker 6: larger scale, not sure scale as Randall, carls and Graham
1:50:24
Speaker 6: Hancock kind of want to believe on the recycling of civilization.
1:50:27
Speaker 7: Do you believe in hominated carsonization. This is a theory
1:50:31
Speaker 7: I'm coming up with. So you've got all these crabs
1:50:34
Speaker 7: that are not the same as like each other. They're
1:50:36
Speaker 7: different species of crabs, but they all look like crabs, right,
1:50:40
Speaker 7: They're all shaped in the same way because of carsonization,
1:50:42
Speaker 7: where everything that gets to that level of evolution starts
1:50:45
Speaker 7: to look like a crab. Well, what if there's a
1:50:47
Speaker 7: hominid version of that where everybody, every ape or whatever
1:50:51
Speaker 7: that gets to this level of evolution starts to look
1:50:53
Speaker 7: like a human.
1:50:55
Speaker 6: Yes, and I think there's that hypothesis of the dinosaurroid hypothsis.
1:50:58
Speaker 6: So like fifty five million years ago, possible ability that
1:51:01
Speaker 6: trodon would evolve to look more hominid like. And yeah,
1:51:04
Speaker 6: because there's some basic laws of physics. You need at
1:51:07
Speaker 6: least four fingers and it's some kind of an external
1:51:11
Speaker 6: appendage at a certain angle to be able to grasp
1:51:13
Speaker 6: a tool in the right way, to be amzi dictus
1:51:16
Speaker 6: or you know, to be able to write and maneuver
1:51:18
Speaker 6: material in a more efficient manner than like, you know,
1:51:21
Speaker 6: a dog can't. A dog can't write, it doesn't have
1:51:24
Speaker 6: the right anatomy at all. It has to be the
1:51:26
Speaker 6: right form. So this is why instead of calling intelligent design,
1:51:29
Speaker 6: I would say intelligent programming. And that's mainly due to
1:51:34
Speaker 6: the anthropic principle. Like the way the laws of physics
1:51:37
Speaker 6: works inevitably leads to a natural form that is made
1:51:42
Speaker 6: in the so called image and likeness of the gods. Now, again,
1:51:45
Speaker 6: the gods are purely spiritual that could take av to
1:51:47
Speaker 6: our forms. But is there a possibility that these so
1:51:50
Speaker 6: called UAPs are not just immortal gods that were always immortal.
1:51:55
Speaker 6: But the hyphpods is that maybe they were from planets
1:52:00
Speaker 6: and then they become a God, because that's what the
1:52:02
Speaker 6: Egyptians believe, that humans become a god, but a small
1:52:05
Speaker 6: g god, not the big cosmic one, but you move
1:52:08
Speaker 6: up the ranks of the of the heavens and a
1:52:11
Speaker 6: higher evolutionary spiritual form, I guess, and that's a possibility
1:52:15
Speaker 6: that some of these UAPs we experience, maybe entities that
1:52:18
Speaker 6: were born from Venus a billion years ago and now
1:52:21
Speaker 6: they're immortal and flying around screwing around with us. That's
1:52:25
Speaker 6: a weird way to look at but I think there's
1:52:27
Speaker 6: one NASA professor or NASA administrator was talking with Diana
1:52:31
Speaker 6: Pasoka and was kind of bringing up that idea sort of.
1:52:34
Speaker 6: But that's that's out there, and I'm open to that
1:52:37
Speaker 6: possibility that because you know, people say that Mary is
1:52:41
Speaker 6: manifesting as something like a UAP, and then you get
1:52:44
Speaker 6: this pentagondactment called the Immaculate Constellation, a wink wink to
1:52:48
Speaker 6: the Virgin Mary. I'm like, why are they doing that?
1:52:50
Speaker 6: And then you make me want make you wonder, Okay,
1:52:52
Speaker 6: is Mary a god? What do we define as a god?
1:52:55
Speaker 6: Is she an angel? What do we define as an angel?
1:52:57
Speaker 6: What's considered immortal? So the hierarchy and nature of angels
1:53:02
Speaker 6: is is pretty complicated. It comes down to basically their
1:53:05
Speaker 6: power level. In some sense, they're not all equal in
1:53:08
Speaker 6: their power, and they go up the rank, up the ladder.
1:53:11
Speaker 6: So some may surely have been from Venus for all
1:53:13
Speaker 6: we know. But they're no longer you know, humans, They're
1:53:17
Speaker 6: not depending on the planet anymore. They have become transcendent
1:53:20
Speaker 6: to a higher reality.
1:53:23
Speaker 8: I guess you'd have to believe in space to agree
1:53:27
Speaker 8: with that closing statement. But I mean, I'm not I'm
1:53:32
Speaker 8: not trying to like gang up on you or anything.
1:53:34
Speaker 8: I really enjoy presentations like this. I mean, there's been
1:53:37
Speaker 8: some real rock stars in the comments section tonight. Maybe
1:53:41
Speaker 8: this is somebody from you, Jules Nephlum Hunter zero zero seven,
1:53:45
Speaker 8: Is that from you? Yeah, that's all right, wonder well,
1:53:49
Speaker 8: fucking I like this fucking guy retarded. That's all right
1:53:54
Speaker 8: with me because so am I right?
1:53:57
Speaker 6: But yeah, now retard in maths.
1:53:59
Speaker 5: So you know, I think.
1:54:01
Speaker 8: Multiple things could be true at the same time. This
1:54:08
Speaker 8: is really interesting. I do still think that Atlantis could
1:54:13
Speaker 8: possibly have existed at one time. Maybe it's a advanced civilization,
1:54:19
Speaker 8: maybe it wasn't, but.
1:54:22
Speaker 6: Definitely pretty advanced relative to Greeks and the Romans, but
1:54:27
Speaker 6: I mean giant pyramids.
1:54:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that That's the thing though that you and
1:54:33
Speaker 8: I skiz them on is I think like they had
1:54:37
Speaker 8: some help, like not ropes and pulleys and ship like that,
1:54:42
Speaker 8: but like levitation and uh, you know.
1:54:48
Speaker 6: That. But what if the gods don't give you that power.
1:54:51
Speaker 6: We don't know how much power might actually give us.
1:54:54
Speaker 6: They might say, go ahead and slave away and use
1:54:56
Speaker 6: ropes and pulleys. We're not gonna help you. Why should
1:54:58
Speaker 6: they care if.
1:54:59
Speaker 5: Someone figured it out out or I don't know, what
1:55:01
Speaker 5: if they were passed down this knowledge and a download
1:55:04
Speaker 5: or a vision or maybe all.
1:55:06
Speaker 6: The same on the gods.
1:55:09
Speaker 5: What if the gods created the theory? But you know
1:55:11
Speaker 5: there's those theories as well.
1:55:13
Speaker 6: There's lots of evans to say that I'm open to
1:55:16
Speaker 6: the possibility. Like there's someone on Twitter name Third Eye
1:55:19
Speaker 6: Seekhs and third Ice Sekhs, and I are kind of you.
1:55:22
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys know him, but he
1:55:23
Speaker 6: goes around last year and talks about how the pyramids
1:55:27
Speaker 6: are kind of built and the possibility that they had
1:55:29
Speaker 6: to use more advanced levers and cranes and pulleys at
1:55:32
Speaker 6: the level of Rome or Persia, so and that some
1:55:36
Speaker 6: of that knowledge was lost and then rediscovered by the
1:55:38
Speaker 6: Romans and the Persians. So they actually were a little
1:55:40
Speaker 6: bit more advanced because the technologies and the techniques they
1:55:43
Speaker 6: would have used wuld have been very similar to how
1:55:45
Speaker 6: they built the cathedrals of Europe. So how the Masons
1:55:48
Speaker 6: built that is probably what they've learned from how the
1:55:51
Speaker 6: Egyptians built their temples. So they probably had cranes, they
1:55:55
Speaker 6: had pois and levers, but in a complicated form. So
1:55:58
Speaker 6: if you look up, for example, the image of the
1:56:03
Speaker 6: Cleopatches needle in Central Park that the Freemasons had had moved,
1:56:06
Speaker 6: they had this giant scaffolding let not levitating but suspending
1:56:10
Speaker 6: it in a fulk crumb the whole obelisk, and they
1:56:13
Speaker 6: could tilted with ropes and different poison. They used metal,
1:56:16
Speaker 6: of course, and horses, hundreds of horses, and it was
1:56:20
Speaker 6: a complicated thing, and they did it, and then the
1:56:23
Speaker 6: Vatican did the same thing, and the column in Saint
1:56:25
Speaker 6: Petersburg did the same thing. But it was a complicated system.
1:56:29
Speaker 6: Wasn't just a bunch of people pulling with ropes, No,
1:56:32
Speaker 6: they had to develop an architectural scaffolding system with mechanical
1:56:36
Speaker 6: advantages to be able to move this whole thing even wheels.
1:56:40
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think the Egyptians had more. Yes, exactly
1:56:44
Speaker 6: the Egyptians.
1:56:44
Speaker 7: Because pictures like that, No, that's that is a.
1:56:51
Speaker 6: Not that's not the original picture. That's a scam.
1:56:54
Speaker 7: That's that's the original picture that they skid. But that's
1:56:57
Speaker 7: a picture. It looks like the people in the foreground.
1:57:02
Speaker 7: This is eighteen eighty one. I believe it looks like
1:57:04
Speaker 7: the people in the foreground. Now, that's definitely a drawing.
1:57:06
Speaker 6: But yeah, this is this is a redrawing of that picture.
1:57:10
Speaker 6: There's another one, but there's a calm in Alexandria too,
1:57:13
Speaker 6: you can look up that. But a lot of them
1:57:14
Speaker 6: are drawings. Yes, but because you know, they didn't have
1:57:17
Speaker 6: photography back then, so sure.
1:57:19
Speaker 8: Because it didn't fucking happen that way, and they had
1:57:22
Speaker 8: to draw some ship up to make you think that
1:57:24
Speaker 8: they built it when they fucking didn't build it at all.
1:57:27
Speaker 6: Anyways, they did, That's how. That's when I moved it.
1:57:30
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying about this.
1:57:32
Speaker 5: You got it.
1:57:33
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying, though, is you got you said
1:57:36
Speaker 8: not everything is a conspiracy. What I'm telling you is
1:57:38
Speaker 8: it fucking is any every little thing is a CONSPIASI
1:57:45
Speaker 8: I don't wear anything.
1:57:47
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're they're picking it up. This is a real photo, right,
1:57:51
Speaker 7: but it doesn't show it, and it doesn't show they're
1:57:54
Speaker 7: putting it on the boat.
1:57:55
Speaker 6: I don't have video cameras back then.
1:57:57
Speaker 9: Well they've got the cameras they have, but you don't
1:58:04
Speaker 9: trust that photo.
1:58:06
Speaker 6: It comes down to your trust if you don't trust
1:58:08
Speaker 6: in basic society.
1:58:11
Speaker 7: Here's another drawing.
1:58:13
Speaker 9: That's drawing.
1:58:15
Speaker 2: But what what you think the camera back then?
1:58:19
Speaker 6: There weren't that many cameras back then.
1:58:20
Speaker 2: Of course you have to be a little bit like
1:58:23
Speaker 2: people camera right, Yeah, there's a drug.
1:58:27
Speaker 6: Right, So you guys are a bunch of communists, the elites,
1:58:30
Speaker 6: the elites, just.
1:58:33
Speaker 5: What we see.
1:58:36
Speaker 6: There are some conspiracies. U aps definitely have been hidden
1:58:39
Speaker 6: from us intentionally, and it's understandable, I think to some degree.
1:58:44
Speaker 7: Well here's the picture, right, that's a real Now.
1:58:48
Speaker 4: You know what's funny is that you think some of
1:58:50
Speaker 4: the stuff we think is so silly. But I actually
1:58:53
Speaker 4: think that you're listening to lou Alexandre was fucking ridiculous.
1:58:57
Speaker 2: That's not just.
1:59:00
Speaker 6: Again, he wasn't even in in the know until someone
1:59:04
Speaker 6: in the state. Yeah, what about David crush.
1:59:14
Speaker 2: It ship.
1:59:15
Speaker 5: I mean, would they allow them to speak if they
1:59:18
Speaker 5: weren't in on it?
1:59:18
Speaker 3: Man?
1:59:19
Speaker 5: I mean, look at history. You're correct what we've seen
1:59:21
Speaker 5: in the past.
1:59:22
Speaker 6: Name Greek, different career. Yeah, you guys are.
1:59:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:59:30
Speaker 7: He was very closely tied into the Clinton administration, like
1:59:33
Speaker 7: all of his agree stuff back in the nineties, were
1:59:35
Speaker 7: very close to the government, and that was his message.
1:59:38
Speaker 7: It seems really ridiculous now.
1:59:40
Speaker 6: Look, Yeah, the whole UAP topic, it's definitely a top
1:59:44
Speaker 6: down approach. It's the people at the very top who
1:59:47
Speaker 6: want to disclose it. It started under the Obama administration.
1:59:50
Speaker 6: Obama must have signed something to give them, give the
1:59:54
Speaker 6: Geospatial Intelligence Agency clearance to begin the process because it's
1:59:58
Speaker 6: that institution that holds the servers that have the classified
2:00:02
Speaker 6: videos from the eighties and the nineties and so forth.
2:00:06
Speaker 6: So sure, I agree, it's definitely top down. All these
2:00:08
Speaker 6: officers they cannot publicly speak without permission from the superiors,
2:00:13
Speaker 6: I agree. But yes, it's from the top down, because
2:00:17
Speaker 6: the Pentagon knows they can't control the phenomenon what happens
2:00:22
Speaker 6: if the phenomenon does do something that's ontological, like in
2:00:25
Speaker 6: twenty eleven over the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.
2:00:28
Speaker 6: That was a real event, and Fox News just kind
2:00:30
Speaker 6: of showed the wrong video and CNN just that it's
2:00:33
Speaker 6: probably just something fake. But there are five different angles
2:00:36
Speaker 6: of that shot in twenty eleven, something happened over there
2:00:39
Speaker 6: and after.
2:00:40
Speaker 8: That event, and all of a sudden that I think
2:00:42
Speaker 8: so too. I think that was some real shit.
2:00:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Obama administration said, Okay, maybe we should begin
2:00:47
Speaker 6: the process of disclosure because we can't hide the phenomenon
2:00:50
Speaker 6: because the phenomenon is going to people like me. And now,
2:00:54
Speaker 6: in my case, I didn't get on video because the
2:00:56
Speaker 6: phenomenon happened to be too sneaky and clever and realized
2:00:58
Speaker 6: I wanted to get on video and would it let me.
2:01:01
Speaker 6: Sounds like an excuse, but these entities are very sneaky,
2:01:04
Speaker 6: very deceptive, and they're very powerful relative to us. So yeah,
2:01:09
Speaker 6: it's very hard to prove the existence of interdimensial beings.
2:01:12
Speaker 6: But we now have cameras for the first time ever
2:01:15
Speaker 6: on this planet in the past hundred years, and they're
2:01:18
Speaker 6: starting to appear the veil is lifting. The Pentagon has
2:01:21
Speaker 6: to prepare for that. It's not just the Pentagon, it's Japan.
2:01:24
Speaker 5: These people that run the Pentagon have been channeling these beings.
2:01:29
Speaker 6: In the periods. Ready can't control them. Well, the Nazis
2:01:34
Speaker 6: tried it and they failed. Well, Nazis got screwed by
2:01:37
Speaker 6: the Gin.
2:01:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not just the Nazis, it's every uh, you know,
2:01:43
Speaker 5: you would say political organization or who has power. At
2:01:46
Speaker 5: the time.
2:01:48
Speaker 6: In the eighteen hundreds, they did. I think there was
2:01:50
Speaker 6: an attempt to try to see if they can summon
2:01:52
Speaker 6: these entities using so called psionics to gain some kind
2:01:55
Speaker 6: of power. The Nazis were definitely doing this, and the
2:01:58
Speaker 6: Americans learned it from the Nazis. But ultimately the Vatican
2:02:02
Speaker 6: is saying you can't control the gods. Plato said that
2:02:05
Speaker 6: you can't control the gods. Don't trust the damn gods
2:02:07
Speaker 6: because they will mess with you. And they absolutely do,
2:02:10
Speaker 6: because fifty percent of them are basically purely demonic, and
2:02:13
Speaker 6: the other fifty percent are very discreet and sneaky, but
2:02:16
Speaker 6: they don't want to show themselves fully. Majors of bold
2:02:18
Speaker 6: plasmay like a shape ship into metal, but I talked
2:02:21
Speaker 6: about this on Reverse Channel a lot. We have a
2:02:22
Speaker 6: whole two hours of this, so you guys can check
2:02:26
Speaker 6: that out on Reverse Channel.
2:02:29
Speaker 7: Well, we're back to the gods. I think that's the
2:02:31
Speaker 7: important part. I think we're all integrated saying that.
2:02:35
Speaker 8: But what's the I'm a Christian and I'm here for it.
2:02:39
Speaker 8: You know, I've been saying that this angel that's yeah.
2:02:44
Speaker 5: On the side, but yeah, yeah, I mean.
2:02:48
Speaker 7: Hold those for two thousand years that they didn't exist,
2:02:50
Speaker 7: and now we're back to it. They killed millions and
2:02:52
Speaker 7: millions of people telling them that the gods didn't Well, actually,
2:02:55
Speaker 7: I think kind of interesting.
2:02:58
Speaker 6: You hear what's his name, Carl Carlnell. Carlnell spoke at
2:03:02
Speaker 6: the SAUL conference. He basically said, it's not really a discovery.
2:03:05
Speaker 6: It's more like a rediscovery of these entities. He didn't
2:03:09
Speaker 6: call them gods. He's trying to avoid religious terminology intentionally,
2:03:12
Speaker 6: but he's saying it wouldn't be that shocking for the
2:03:14
Speaker 6: average Christian or Muslim or even Buddhists because they believed
2:03:17
Speaker 6: in this stuff. Because back in the old days, summoning
2:03:20
Speaker 6: the gods for warfare was a common thing. I mean,
2:03:23
Speaker 6: it was just like you just didn't know how to
2:03:25
Speaker 6: prove it.
2:03:28
Speaker 5: They invade countries on certain days during a certain time
2:03:31
Speaker 5: of the year. They they planned out. These old gods
2:03:34
Speaker 5: are still implicated and every day, Oh yeah, goings on. Brother.
2:03:40
Speaker 2: I don't think.
2:03:42
Speaker 5: You can see who they venerate through the symbolism, and
2:03:45
Speaker 5: it's it's very easy to tell you should you should
2:03:47
Speaker 5: look into some of it, brother.
2:03:48
Speaker 8: Well, that's why all the ancient cultures like that this stuff.
2:03:52
Speaker 5: Dude, you should look into esoteric symbolism and all the
2:03:55
Speaker 5: OCCA I've listened to that worth it.
2:03:58
Speaker 9: Well, that.
2:04:00
Speaker 8: All the all the ancient civilizations that you're talking about,
2:04:03
Speaker 8: Go Beckley Tepe, the Karen Tepe place that was nearby,
2:04:07
Speaker 8: Go Beckley Tepe, all these fucking blood pits and ship
2:04:10
Speaker 8: and the Egyptians, and they were all sacrificed and fucking
2:04:13
Speaker 8: even Graham Pincock's like, look at this, look at this
2:04:16
Speaker 8: odd structure. It looks like a blood pit. Yeah, because
2:04:19
Speaker 8: they were all doing some fucking weird Babylon fucking sacrifice
2:04:22
Speaker 8: and babies and ship.
2:04:24
Speaker 6: They all wanted to consort.
2:04:27
Speaker 8: With some type of weird entity and the aztext and
2:04:32
Speaker 8: the fucking blood rituals. I mean, they all, they all
2:04:35
Speaker 8: did it and they were just trying.
2:04:38
Speaker 6: Because they.
2:04:45
Speaker 7: Syscrapers Washington.
2:04:48
Speaker 8: They still do, they still do that.
2:04:49
Speaker 2: Ship it's just covering.
2:04:52
Speaker 8: You know, in the US the government is run by
2:04:56
Speaker 8: Satanic fucking pedophiles, and and they.
2:05:02
Speaker 7: In Washington, d C. Alone that Why would they keep
2:05:06
Speaker 7: going that knowledge and then put that into the streets
2:05:09
Speaker 7: unless there was something more to it than just.
2:05:11
Speaker 6: Because they believes was Egypt they believe they believe that. Yeah,
2:05:19
Speaker 6: they believe America was like the new Atlantis, the new Rome.
2:05:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, the new Rome right New York.
2:05:27
Speaker 10: You know.
2:05:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's all just European culture being inherited over here.
2:05:31
Speaker 6: I mean that's natural. It comes the same thing with
2:05:34
Speaker 6: Chinese culture and being inherited by Japan. But that's not
2:05:37
Speaker 6: really just a phenomenon.
2:05:39
Speaker 7: We don't really have access to it anymore. Like they're
2:05:41
Speaker 7: not teaching this stuff as being part of our history.
2:05:44
Speaker 9: Like the streets of Washington College.
2:05:48
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put so much.
2:05:51
Speaker 5: I wouldn't put so much faith in college either, man.
2:05:53
Speaker 5: I look, but you know, we just uh.
2:06:01
Speaker 6: There Uelsy is something to influence America, definitely, that's not
2:06:06
Speaker 6: they don't talk about. But they're not as it used
2:06:09
Speaker 6: to be.
2:06:10
Speaker 7: Well, there's there's a point to that. They're cutting us
2:06:13
Speaker 7: off from that knowledge and they're keeping it for themselves.
2:06:15
Speaker 7: And that's what we constantly see over and over again
2:06:17
Speaker 7: today with the very same organizations. So there is a
2:06:20
Speaker 7: continuity there. We're left in the dark all the time,
2:06:24
Speaker 7: and it's time that changes. We need to get a
2:06:26
Speaker 7: little bit more respect from our government because they don't
2:06:28
Speaker 7: really represent us at all. That's that's the issue that
2:06:32
Speaker 7: everybody's sort of coming into, is that we're at a
2:06:35
Speaker 7: point right now.
2:06:38
Speaker 6: It's not just that it's like, let met our souls
2:06:41
Speaker 6: alone here, you know, we have to when it comes
2:06:44
Speaker 6: to the whole Atlantis war, in some sense, it hasn't
2:06:47
Speaker 6: really ended because it's still being invoked with Israel because
2:06:51
Speaker 6: Israel is basically influenced by the Greek civilization and they're
2:06:56
Speaker 6: sort of taking over the original and Lantean world and
2:06:58
Speaker 6: they're still a collisioner. But it's really it's not conspiratorials
2:07:02
Speaker 6: that it's more geopolitical because the geography is so shitty
2:07:06
Speaker 6: it forces wars. If you had open land, like in
2:07:10
Speaker 6: the Midwest, you can force a way a lot faster
2:07:14
Speaker 6: and unify that region if you have horses. I mean,
2:07:17
Speaker 6: that's why the Native Americans couldn't conquer or fight back
2:07:20
Speaker 6: because they didn't have enough horses, they didn't have enough guns,
2:07:22
Speaker 6: they didn't have a big enough population. They're wiped out
2:07:24
Speaker 6: by a disease.
2:07:25
Speaker 2: So they lost.
2:07:27
Speaker 6: And that's because of geography. Ultimately comes down to the
2:07:30
Speaker 6: landscape and geography that dictates which civilization can be more
2:07:33
Speaker 6: powerful than another. That's why China is going to be
2:07:36
Speaker 6: very powerful because I got a billion people. Because it
2:07:38
Speaker 6: comes down to the law of natural selection, survival of
2:07:41
Speaker 6: the fitness. It's power politics ultimately, and I learned that
2:07:44
Speaker 6: in the University of Iowa. And it sucks that. You know, Yeah,
2:07:47
Speaker 6: Israel basically wants to genocidally murder people out so they
2:07:50
Speaker 6: can gain more strategic real estate put their hotels on.
2:07:55
Speaker 6: It's sad, but that's the sad reality. Well, it comes
2:07:58
Speaker 6: down to the land on this.
2:08:00
Speaker 7: I would agree with Flint Dibble on this. The story
2:08:03
Speaker 7: about how the mound builders were wiped out by these
2:08:06
Speaker 7: current Native Americans was a motivating factor in westward expansion.
2:08:11
Speaker 5: Right.
2:08:11
Speaker 7: They said that these people who built these mounds that
2:08:15
Speaker 7: you know, they had all these cities based around were
2:08:17
Speaker 7: more like the Europeans, and the people who wiped them
2:08:20
Speaker 7: out were the Native Americans. So that gave us license
2:08:24
Speaker 7: to expand westward. That was one of the big motivating
2:08:26
Speaker 7: factors of that time period, and I think it did
2:08:29
Speaker 7: because everybody knew of the stories of Atlantis and they
2:08:32
Speaker 7: understood that there were somehow a much wider Aryan civilization
2:08:38
Speaker 7: that was sort of out there in the new world
2:08:41
Speaker 7: that they were coming to. This was a lot of
2:08:43
Speaker 7: the mythology that came through the.
2:08:47
Speaker 6: Perspective. Yes, Columbus sort of talk.
2:08:52
Speaker 7: With the Knights Pemplar, who are re emerging as a
2:08:55
Speaker 7: factor now in all of this discussion around the collegy.
2:08:58
Speaker 7: Yet they were talking about that stuff you know, that
2:09:01
Speaker 7: was there.
2:09:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an ideological thing.
2:09:05
Speaker 7: The founding fathers were all into the Knights Templar stuff,
2:09:08
Speaker 7: and we're even finding stuff like that today coming out
2:09:11
Speaker 7: of these statues that they tore down back in twenty twenty.
2:09:14
Speaker 7: They found post guards that had Knights Templar seals and
2:09:17
Speaker 7: symbols on them. That was a huge factor in the
2:09:20
Speaker 7: United States government and we don't again the label.
2:09:23
Speaker 6: But ultimately very much it's not it's not really the
2:09:27
Speaker 6: ideology of just the Knights Templar or the free basis.
2:09:30
Speaker 6: It's more the fact that there's a big river there
2:09:33
Speaker 6: that has a lot of freaking water. We want that river,
2:09:35
Speaker 6: get that river. So for that's why why do you
2:09:38
Speaker 6: think Russia is invade in Ukraine. They want did Epper
2:09:41
Speaker 6: River and they're gonna conquer everything up to that river
2:09:43
Speaker 6: because rivers strategic real estate or you know, resources. That's
2:09:48
Speaker 6: the ultimate thing. So when people say, oh, we're gonna
2:09:51
Speaker 6: we're gonna go, you know, defend Israel and expand Israel
2:09:54
Speaker 6: because we Israel's being attacked and all that, in reality, no,
2:09:57
Speaker 6: Israel just wants to expand their border on prime real
2:10:00
Speaker 6: estate to secure the state more, and they will murder
2:10:04
Speaker 6: people out.
2:10:04
Speaker 1: To do it.
2:10:04
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter if your democracy a communist state or a
2:10:07
Speaker 6: fascist state. It ultimately is land is forcing you to
2:10:10
Speaker 6: become dictatorial or fascist because of scarcity. Because as Neil
2:10:15
Speaker 6: Degrass Tyson said, this planet is not as habitable as
2:10:18
Speaker 6: people think. Only like twenty percent or less of the
2:10:21
Speaker 6: land surface is adable. Imagine if that was fifty percent,
2:10:24
Speaker 6: there wouldn't be as many wars because you have more
2:10:26
Speaker 6: puntable resources. But the fact that you know, fifty percent
2:10:29
Speaker 6: of the United States is desert and the Middle East
2:10:31
Speaker 6: is pretty much all desert except for the Garden of
2:10:33
Speaker 6: En of Egypt and Atlantis. I guess you could say.
2:10:36
Speaker 6: And you know, China's so confined in that one region
2:10:39
Speaker 6: of the Yale River. It forces these wars to happen
2:10:43
Speaker 6: because there's a scarcity. It's because the scarcity that forces
2:10:47
Speaker 6: these geopolitical agendas. It's not just ideology. Ideology is justification
2:10:52
Speaker 6: to go murder people, just as Catholics did that we
2:10:55
Speaker 6: digress the States was justification. Listen, Okay, I don't agree
2:11:03
Speaker 6: with everything he says, but he's right. Ther is trying
2:11:07
Speaker 6: to kill us, and that's why there's so much war,
2:11:09
Speaker 6: because we're fighting for primarial estate. That's a logical argument.
2:11:12
Speaker 6: It's nothing conspiratorial. But there are conspiracy that force that
2:11:16
Speaker 6: people make up to justify stealing land, like the Israel
2:11:20
Speaker 6: wants to expand off to the Tiger's River. That's insane.
2:11:24
Speaker 2: All right.
2:11:27
Speaker 7: I've got right here the Rosy Cross Order sixty eighth
2:11:32
Speaker 7: convocation of the Rosy Cross. This is in Pennsylvania. That yeah,
2:11:38
Speaker 7: that's the Great Seal of the United States being unveiled
2:11:41
Speaker 7: in this occult literatures sixteen years But no, this isn't
2:11:46
Speaker 7: the Jews. This is the Knights Templar, and the Rosicrucians
2:11:49
Speaker 7: and the Freemasons. They all got together up in Pennsylvania
2:11:52
Speaker 7: and had this six Jews.
2:11:55
Speaker 6: I'll let you know that they're definitely yeah, I know.
2:11:58
Speaker 5: It's influenced by Yeah.
2:12:01
Speaker 7: Right, So again this book they talk about Atlantis, right,
2:12:04
Speaker 7: they talk about Atlantis and they say that it stretches
2:12:06
Speaker 7: from Mexico all the way over to Africa. This was
2:12:09
Speaker 7: their opinion on Atlantis.
2:12:11
Speaker 9: And this was back in the nineteen I know.
2:12:14
Speaker 7: But I'm saying, like this is within their UIR mythology, and.
2:12:20
Speaker 5: I mean that's just an opinion, you know what I mean.
2:12:23
Speaker 6: I mean it's like it's like the israel things that
2:12:25
Speaker 6: they're the chosen people of God. Well, the real chosen
2:12:27
Speaker 6: people were the Egyptians, and the early Jews were Egyptians,
2:12:30
Speaker 6: and they weren't you know, Ukrainians and Russians. Okay, that
2:12:35
Speaker 6: moved to Israel. It's yeah. People will use ideologies and
2:12:39
Speaker 6: shape and shape shifted to manipulate geopolitical gains. So America
2:12:44
Speaker 6: because of Christopher clumb was naming the first islands the Antilles.
2:12:47
Speaker 6: The Mason started to believe that America basically was Atlantis,
2:12:51
Speaker 6: but then that shifted as a Natian Stollarys said, well,
2:12:53
Speaker 6: maybe it's in the Little Atlantic Ocean, and then that
2:12:55
Speaker 6: kind of shifted. So, but modern scholars now no longer
2:12:59
Speaker 6: believe that because now we have subundance of a months
2:13:02
Speaker 6: of evidence, and to say that it doesn't make any
2:13:05
Speaker 6: logical sense because now we can compare it with other
2:13:08
Speaker 6: writings of Plato and say it was just talking about
2:13:10
Speaker 6: the Middle East, where all of our problems come from.
2:13:14
Speaker 7: Right. So this group specifically is saying under the authority
2:13:17
Speaker 7: of the Rose Cross Order, founded in America in eighteen
2:13:20
Speaker 7: fifty eight, prominent delegates of the Order were gathered in
2:13:24
Speaker 7: the most remarkable conclave held during the last five thousand years,
2:13:28
Speaker 7: the publication of whose records now opens the world and
2:13:31
Speaker 7: connection of Egypt in her ages of true religion, power
2:13:35
Speaker 7: and glory with the mystical seal of the United States,
2:13:39
Speaker 7: whose heralderic symbolism declaring the mighty destiny of America has
2:13:43
Speaker 7: until now only been known to a limited number. He's
2:13:47
Speaker 7: saying that there is a huge connection between America Atlantis
2:13:52
Speaker 7: and Egypt, right.
2:13:54
Speaker 9: Your theory at the time, Yeah, they didn't know literature.
2:13:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're talking about separated though. I think they
2:14:02
Speaker 6: still thought they weren't sure. The Mazons weren't sure if
2:14:04
Speaker 6: Egypt was Atlantis in the eighteen fifties until maybe in
2:14:09
Speaker 6: Night I think under Madam Blovotsky and other occultis they
2:14:13
Speaker 6: start to realize that definitely had something to do with Egypt.
2:14:15
Speaker 6: But as archaeology expanded and we were starting to really
2:14:18
Speaker 6: figure it out, we realized that, yeah, it does have
2:14:21
Speaker 6: something to do with Egypt, especially in the eighteen fifties,
2:14:23
Speaker 6: and that's why an obelisk was placed there. Wasn't just
2:14:25
Speaker 6: for George Washington. It was to say that we are
2:14:27
Speaker 6: the new Atlantis, we are the new and it was Egyptian.
2:14:32
Speaker 7: They're the new Atlantis and it's Egyptians.
2:14:34
Speaker 6: So they were with Manfeism started in Egypt. It wasn't
2:14:39
Speaker 6: the Jice. I mean, it was a pre Jews, which
2:14:41
Speaker 6: were Egyptians, not you know, Oshkenazi Jews from Russia.
2:14:46
Speaker 7: Right. So all I'm saying is that they would agree
2:14:48
Speaker 7: with you on your thesis that they were probably talking
2:14:51
Speaker 7: about Egypt. The difference is that they also believed that
2:14:55
Speaker 7: Egypt was in the New World as well, which was
2:14:58
Speaker 7: a big part of their theories of expanding westward. Is
2:15:01
Speaker 7: their adoration for Egypt and their their willingness to look
2:15:05
Speaker 7: for the things that they kept secret from all the
2:15:09
Speaker 7: rest of the world.
2:15:10
Speaker 6: And I think they saw similar of meso America.
2:15:14
Speaker 7: Yep.
2:15:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, because that one priest, the archaeologist was his name,
2:15:18
Speaker 6: the French guy. He he's the one that first proposed
2:15:20
Speaker 6: there's a connection really with with Central America and Egypt,
2:15:25
Speaker 6: and then a lot of Freemasons ironically adopted that Catholics
2:15:28
Speaker 6: believe and even though he was basically wrong. I mean,
2:15:31
Speaker 6: there might have been some distant connection because there aren't
2:15:33
Speaker 6: trade route winds that go straight to meso America if
2:15:36
Speaker 6: you took from Egypt. Sure, but it's like a one way,
2:15:38
Speaker 6: one way route unless you have more advanced sailing techniques.
2:15:42
Speaker 6: But we don't see evidence that Egypt had advanced sailing
2:15:44
Speaker 6: techniques at the level of Christopher Columbus's ships. It is
2:15:48
Speaker 6: they just they were using their ships mainly in the
2:15:50
Speaker 6: eastern Mediterranean and the Nile. It wasn't designed to go
2:15:53
Speaker 6: across the Atlantic. So sure, a few may have ended
2:15:56
Speaker 6: up in Central America, but they got stranded there. Maybe
2:15:59
Speaker 6: they a slight influence on the American cultures there. It's
2:16:03
Speaker 6: a possibility. I wouldn't rule that out, but I think
2:16:05
Speaker 6: that's more of the Freemason's ideology in the early periods,
2:16:08
Speaker 6: wanting to believe that the Americas was basically Atlantis. But
2:16:12
Speaker 6: I don't think modern day Freemasons believe that anymore. Maybe
2:16:15
Speaker 6: Randall Carlson well random believes in the Azers more because
2:16:18
Speaker 6: of that mappen, But Randall's not your normal Freemason. Yeah,
2:16:23
Speaker 6: it's hard to say. But again, people's ideas in the
2:16:26
Speaker 6: old days, you know, eighteen hundreds, even then, it shifted
2:16:29
Speaker 6: so much because we have so much technology now and
2:16:32
Speaker 6: archaeological evidence to change what actually is the reality and
2:16:36
Speaker 6: reality is it all goes back to the Middle East.
2:16:42
Speaker 4: Sadly enough, when I was at the Cosmic Summit, out
2:16:45
Speaker 4: of all the Freemasons, Randall Carson was the only one
2:16:48
Speaker 4: with three bodyguards and another truck behind it.
2:16:51
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's not like a really yeah.
2:16:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if he's even still in a lodge.
2:16:57
Speaker 6: I mean, he was a former freemason, but I don't
2:16:59
Speaker 6: know if he's really practicing.
2:17:02
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap it up, Jewels how to leave Actually,
2:17:04
Speaker 2: oh he's there. He's there. Not to cut you off,
2:17:07
Speaker 2: it's just it's been over to its fun.
2:17:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been fun.
2:17:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's a good discussion, lively.
2:17:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fun. Real quick, uh, Peter,
2:17:17
Speaker 2: do you want to let everybody know where they can
2:17:18
Speaker 2: find you?
2:17:20
Speaker 7: Yeah?
2:17:20
Speaker 6: You can check me out my YouTube channel at nikmas
2:17:22
Speaker 6: Seeker or on rebirse channel or on YouTuber suspects Sky.
2:17:26
Speaker 6: I made a few videos and been on their podcast.
2:17:28
Speaker 6: I've also been Mica and Dave's channel. We did a
2:17:31
Speaker 6: little talk abou Atlantis there and yeah, there's a few
2:17:34
Speaker 6: orders I've been on.
2:17:37
Speaker 2: Awesome. Awesome.
2:17:38
Speaker 4: We thank you very much everybody else. I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to because Jewels has gotta get going.
2:17:43
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna you're dude, it's fun, right, Okay, it's
2:17:47
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Speaker 8: everybody in the chat, and thanks for being you know,
2:17:58
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2:18:01
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2:18:06
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2:18:09
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2:18:12
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Speaker 11: The continent of Atlantis was an island which lay before
2:21:58
Speaker 11: the Great Flood, in the area we now call the
2:22:01
Speaker 11: Atlantic Ocean, so great an area of land that from
2:22:07
Speaker 11: her western shores, those beautiful sailors journeyed to the South
2:22:13
Speaker 11: and the North Americas with ease in their ships with
2:22:17
Speaker 11: painted sails.
2:22:23
Speaker 6: To the east.
2:22:24
Speaker 11: Africa was her neighbor, across a short strait of sea miles.
2:22:33
Speaker 11: The Great Egyptian Age is but a remnant of the
2:22:36
Speaker 11: Atlantean culture. The Antediluvian kings colonized the world. All the
2:22:44
Speaker 11: gods who play in the mythological dramas in all legends
2:22:47
Speaker 11: from all lands where from fair Atlantis. Knowing her fate,
2:22:57
Speaker 11: Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the earth,
2:23:01
Speaker 11: on board with the twelve, the poet, the physician, the farmer,
2:23:06
Speaker 11: the scientist, the magician, and the other so called gods
2:23:10
Speaker 11: of our legends. Though gods they were, And as the
2:23:15
Speaker 11: elders of our time choose to remain blind, let us rejoice,
2:23:19
Speaker 11: and let us sing and dance and ring in the
2:23:22
Speaker 11: new hailed atlantis.
2:23:30
Speaker 10: Below the shanty. She may be way, shany me, she
2:23:51
Speaker 10: may be.
2:24:02
Speaker 6: Known.
2:24:04
Speaker 9: She made me