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RWTK: The Frost Case Files with Carlos & Eboni K Williams · Reality with The King

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops for today episode of Reality with the King.
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Speaker 3: Listen my girl, Effony K Williams is back at the building.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Ebony, Hello, Carlos the King.
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Speaker 2: I have thissed you. I've missed you so much. I'm listened.
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Speaker 3: We conquered the day trial together and with your expert
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Speaker 3: opinion and the fact that you pretty much predicted the outcome.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's get the pop to this gorgeous mark intelligent
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Speaker 3: mother wo man. Okay, yeah, well, thank you, my love.
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Speaker 5: But it was through your dominique done, investigative journalist realness
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Speaker 5: that walked us through all the pieces. I mean, it
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Speaker 5: really was like Cannie, y'all don't know this, but I
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Speaker 5: was texting Carlos on the side and I was like,
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Speaker 5: did we clock it or did we clock it? Like
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Speaker 5: down to the sentencing. I mean, you know, we we
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Speaker 5: are waiting, but you know we kind of saw some
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Speaker 5: things come to pass.
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Speaker 2: I mean my.
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Speaker 4: And we'll be back officially sent it, so we'll we'll
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Speaker 4: do that again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll be back.
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Speaker 3: So today listed it has been the talk of the
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Speaker 3: town when it comes to the particular crime that we
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Speaker 3: are discussing today. So we are discussing the case that's
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Speaker 3: been going on. It hasn't about the trial yet. It's
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Speaker 3: for the crime in the early stage with rapper t
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Speaker 3: Hood who got shot top of August. And the reason
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Speaker 3: why this is relevant to reality with the King is
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Speaker 3: because it has to do with Tee Hood dating the
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Speaker 3: daughter of Love and hip hop stars Rasheeda and Kerk
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Speaker 3: Frost and how allegedly.
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Speaker 2: Their son Kai Frost is involved.
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Speaker 3: So to update you all what's been going on, Tee Hood,
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Speaker 3: who was born Tavin Hood, an Atlanta rapper thirty three
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Speaker 3: years old, was found dead the top of August due
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Speaker 3: to gunshot wounds. Police said that one person was detained
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Speaker 3: at the scene and it's being interviewed by detectives.
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Speaker 2: His girlfriend is Kelsey.
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Speaker 3: She is the biological daughter of Kirk Frost, so that
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Speaker 3: is her stepmother.
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Speaker 2: Kelsey and Tee Hood was dating.
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Speaker 3: There's so much that's been going on in terms of
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Speaker 3: allegations that she was being abused. The recent footage that
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Speaker 3: came out of Tehood allegedly beating Kelsey while she was
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Speaker 3: in her bid. Tee Hood's family is accusing Kelsey of
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Speaker 3: getting her brothers to do it.
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Speaker 2: And the other recent report is saying that her.
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Speaker 3: Brother ky Crost, which is the biological son of both
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Speaker 3: Kirk and Mashida, they're saying that he has something involved
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Speaker 3: with it, and now they're claiming self defense, not that
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Speaker 3: Kye Cross is saying that. That's what the police are
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out in terms of the person of interest. Ebany,
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Speaker 3: based on your research, talk to us about what's going
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Speaker 3: on with this particular situation.
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Speaker 5: So so much, Carlos, this is you know, during my
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Speaker 5: and I want to let the rain jobs know, which
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Speaker 5: I think is a really wonderful thing from my lens
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Speaker 5: throughout us covering this case.
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Speaker 4: I actually do not watch love and hip hop, so
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Speaker 4: I really will.
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Speaker 5: Be able to have a fully objective lens when it
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Speaker 5: comes to my legal analysis of this murder or what
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Speaker 5: may be a murder actually, so let's start with that.
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Speaker 2: Rest in peace to Tea Hood.
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Speaker 5: I mean, horrible, horrible, horrible, tragic killing. But we don't
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Speaker 5: know yet if it will be considered a murder. So
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Speaker 5: murder actually, Carlos, is a legal term that requires an
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Speaker 5: unjustifiable illegal killing of another. The reason I say that
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Speaker 5: we don't know if we're gonna end up with a
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Speaker 5: murder charge. And I think it's very telling that so
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Speaker 5: far Gwynea County police are leaked there there. I can't
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Speaker 5: say leaking because they're actually providing it directly.
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Speaker 2: They are directly.
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Speaker 5: Providing certain information and not other information. And when we
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Speaker 5: see police departments do this, Carlos, we must pay attention.
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Speaker 5: For instance, it's very telling that they are telling us
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Speaker 5: that they have a primary suspect, Kay Frost, the son
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Speaker 5: of Rashida and Kirk. It's also very telling that they're
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Speaker 5: also volunteering, that they are investigating it as self defense.
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Speaker 5: The fact that they are kind of starting the investigation
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Speaker 5: from that possibility is not common normally, Carlos King. When
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Speaker 5: you have a police department or sheriff's department, a law
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Speaker 5: enforcement entity, investigating a death, Okay, a death investigation, they're
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Speaker 5: normally starting from a new like they're starting from a
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Speaker 5: place of someone is dead, three things happen. One of
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Speaker 5: three things happen. This is either a suicide, a homicide,
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Speaker 5: or a justifiable case for t who to have been
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Speaker 5: shot and killed. August eighth. We are not even two
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Speaker 5: full weeks away.
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Speaker 2: From that, Carlos.
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Speaker 5: Okay, as we record this, this is just not even
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Speaker 5: two full weeks away from the So this is an
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Speaker 5: extremely preluminary investigative.
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Speaker 2: Time, okay.
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Speaker 5: For them to already be telling the general public that
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Speaker 5: we are looking at it through a self defense lens
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Speaker 5: normally indicates that that might be where they want to
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Speaker 5: go with the investigation. To be honest, now I'm not
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Speaker 5: shading Gwinne County Police, Carlos, but I need people to
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Speaker 5: clock that, to clock that. If they wanted to presume,
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Speaker 5: to preserve rather the opportunity to come at it from
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Speaker 5: a more conventional murder charge, a more conventional homicide lens,
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Speaker 5: they would not be offering us that information. They would
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Speaker 5: not be telling us that, yes, Kai is the primary
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Speaker 5: suspect at this point, and also we are investigating it
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Speaker 5: through the lens of a possible self defense. That the
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Speaker 5: point I'm making here is ladies and gentlemen, they are
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Speaker 5: making a choice. They're making a choice to release the
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Speaker 5: information with that framework.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Carlos, No, it does make sense.
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Speaker 3: So when police elact right because I'm following what you're dropping.
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Speaker 2: Because it's a choice, it's a chic.
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Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, when a police department, and in this particular
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Speaker 3: case is Gwennette County. It is the state of Georgia.
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Speaker 3: It's a red state. So I just want to call
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Speaker 3: things out the weighted and Jeannette.
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Speaker 5: County is they are they considered a more affluent suburb
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Speaker 5: or tell me about Gwinnette County, So I don't want
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Speaker 5: to confuse it with the cob or anything else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And that's the thing and the beauty of
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Speaker 3: this is I lived in Atlanta for many, many, many,
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Speaker 3: many many years. I don't know much about Barnet County, Okay,
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Speaker 3: So I honestly we're gon.
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Speaker 5: We're gonna be learning as we go in terms of
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Speaker 5: the political demographics of the county.
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Speaker 2: This is that will be very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Yes, So what Efony is saying, obviously there's information that's
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Speaker 3: being revealed through the Department that they want to come out.
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Speaker 4: They want us to do right.
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Speaker 5: So they want us to be thinking because because I think,
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Speaker 5: based off of what we do know from TMZ, reporting
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Speaker 5: from other outlets, reporting from what we certainly know who
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Speaker 5: more or less shot uh tea hood, we we kind
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Speaker 5: of reasonable mind short conclude the who. This is not
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Speaker 5: a who done it? This is going to end up
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Speaker 5: being a why did they do it? And the why
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Speaker 5: did they do it?
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Speaker 2: Question?
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Speaker 5: Carlos is going to answer what charge is brought, if
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Speaker 5: indeed a charge, because there is a scenario where they
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Speaker 5: can do this in investigation, Carlos make their conclusions and
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Speaker 5: no charges be filed. I've seen it before and it
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Speaker 5: normally causes a lot of problems when there's an engaged
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Speaker 5: family for the victim, you know where it's like you
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Speaker 5: didn't even put him on trial and let the judge
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Speaker 5: or jewelry decide if it was self defit. No, they
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Speaker 5: could because this is pre like charges have not been filed.
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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, there is not me charges have not
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Speaker 5: been filed at this point, meaning there has been no arrange.
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Speaker 5: Arraignment is step one of a legal proceeding of this nature.
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Speaker 5: That would be the first thing we would see where Kai,
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Speaker 5: presumably the lead suspect right now, would stand in front
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Speaker 5: of a judge. He would have his charges formally read
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Speaker 5: to him, sir, you are charged with murder or manslaughter
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Speaker 5: or second degree whatever it is, right, and then he
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Speaker 5: would inter repleat that's what you do in an arraignment,
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Speaker 5: guilty or not guilty, and then things would proceed trial, plea,
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Speaker 5: what have you. We're not even their rain drops. We
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Speaker 5: are not even at that stage.
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Speaker 2: Of the game.
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Speaker 4: We might not even get.
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Speaker 2: To that stage of the game.
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Speaker 4: And that's what I'm clocking, Carlos.
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Speaker 5: I think it's very a bit peculiar telling indicative that
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Speaker 5: when that County Police Department, without the DA even entering
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Speaker 5: the game at this point publicly at least saying we're investigating,
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Speaker 5: we're looking into it, we're talking to witnesses. Because they
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Speaker 5: have also told us that Carlos, that both the primary suspect,
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Speaker 5: Kai Frost, as well as any witnesses of the occurrence
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Speaker 5: are all cooperating with this investigation. And they're basically saying,
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Speaker 5: we might have all the information we need from Jump
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Speaker 5: and we might decline to even charge this young man
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Speaker 5: based off of the witnesses and the forensic evidence and
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Speaker 5: the direct evidence, or they could say madam or mister
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Speaker 5: or madam prosecutor, because that's going to be the next step.
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Speaker 5: They are going to have to talk to the prosecution
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Speaker 5: office and they're going to have to say, hey, we've
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Speaker 5: talked to witnesses, we've interrogated the primary suspect. We have
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Speaker 5: this is very important in this kind of case, Carlos,
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Speaker 5: clock the forensic the shell casing, fingerprints, blood splatter, trajectory,
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Speaker 5: all of that stuff y'all see when you watch forensic.
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Speaker 2: Files or CSI and HONI shit.
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Speaker 5: They're looking to make sure that that matches the stories
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Speaker 5: that they're hearing from the witnesses, including the primary suspect,
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Speaker 5: but also including we have to think one of the
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Speaker 5: main witnesses here is the daughter Kylie. Okay, they're going
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Speaker 5: to see that all lines up.
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Speaker 2: What's her name?
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Speaker 5: I get it right, okay, Kelsey. And are you're gonna
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Speaker 5: say that lines up or that doesn't line up? And
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Speaker 5: based on that, mister or miss prosecutor, we recommend, so
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Speaker 5: they recommend. So that's another thing I want to explain, Carlos,
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Speaker 5: is the law enforcement makes a recommendation, but ultimately it
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Speaker 5: is the prosecutor for Gwyneck County that will decide whether
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Speaker 5: or not charges will be brought. Law enforcement makes a
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Speaker 5: recommendation based on their investigation. They hand that over the
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Speaker 5: whole file, every interview, every video of deposition, all the
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Speaker 5: stuff they get from the forensic reports, and all the
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Speaker 5: specialists and everybody, the EMMY, the medical examiner who has
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Speaker 5: looked at the body. Because I want to get to
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Speaker 5: how I think there's some reporting that t Hood's mother
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Speaker 5: is saying, well, how could it be self defense if
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Speaker 5: he was shot five times? I'm not sure because I
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Speaker 5: haven't seen an EMMY report. I want to be clear
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Speaker 5: with brain drops, but that type of thing will all
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Speaker 5: be looked at. How many times he was shot, where
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Speaker 5: he was shot. Does this possibly give us a scenario
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Speaker 5: of a justified taking of a life? Or does that
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Speaker 5: not line up with the physical evidence? And now that's
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Speaker 5: when typically calls we would see the prosecutor say this
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Speaker 5: is uh. This needs to be decided by what we
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Speaker 5: call a trier of fact. A trier of fact is
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Speaker 5: a jury or a judge got it.
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Speaker 3: So breaking news, the Gwynneth County released the off top
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Speaker 3: of the minutes ago, shut up?
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Speaker 4: What what? What y'all this is?
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Speaker 2: Come on ye, So to recap what ey is saying.
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Speaker 3: So, guys, when t Hood was shot on August Ay,
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Speaker 3: his family has topically a cute his girlfriend, Kelsey Frost,
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Speaker 3: and her brothers Ky Frost and Kerk Cross Junior of involvement.
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Speaker 3: The family is alleging that Kelsey set of Tea Hood
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Speaker 3: after a domestic violence incident. The family is alleging that
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Speaker 3: Kelsey called her brothers Kay and Kerk Cross Junior to
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Speaker 3: confront the rapper they're alleging got This confrontation reportedly resulted
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Speaker 3: and Kai allegedly shooting Tea Hood. So the autopsic came
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Speaker 3: back today and this is what TMZ has learned. According
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Speaker 3: to a Gwinter County's MS report obtained by TMZ, te
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Speaker 3: Hood stuffer gunshot wounds to the back, afdomen, buttops and
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Speaker 3: lower right and left five. The report said Hood pulled
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Speaker 3: a gun during a heated argument with two other people
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Speaker 3: and sought his Georgia home, but someone opened fire and
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Speaker 3: self defense killing the rapper is unclear as of now.
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Speaker 2: Who the shooter is. Tea Hood was Russian avalance it's
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Speaker 2: pronounced it.
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Speaker 3: Investigators were called to the scene on a report of
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Speaker 3: a dispute between two people at the house. Police have
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Speaker 3: identified ky Frost as the prime suspect, but, like Ebany said,
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Speaker 3: no charges have been filed as yet, Last but not
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Speaker 3: Leaves and I want Ebony to recap the all.
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Speaker 2: Time support and this as well. Okay, Last but not Leaves.
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Speaker 3: TMD also obtained another police report from March of this year,
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Speaker 3: where Kelsey called nine to one one and said Tee
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Speaker 3: Hood had made off with her Mercedes, sins and black
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Speaker 3: Mac Minnie following an argument after a night out at
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Speaker 3: the club. So Abony he got shot five times.
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Speaker 2: At least at least geez.
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Speaker 5: Well, now this this definitely complicates things in the sense
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Speaker 5: that now I think it will be very unlikely and unadvisable,
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Speaker 5: ill advised for this to not go to a jury
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Speaker 5: or a judge, like I think, I think any preluminary
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Speaker 5: conclusion Carlos that this law enforcement office of Gwinne County
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Speaker 5: makes that says, despite the fact that this young man
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Speaker 5: was shot five times at least in all of these
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Speaker 5: different areas, including his back, which tends to not so
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Speaker 5: closely correlate with defense posture any movement on them by
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Speaker 5: saying we've seen enough here and we're going to conclude
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Speaker 5: as a matter of a law and order that there's
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Speaker 5: nothing to see here and this was just self defense
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Speaker 5: slash defense of others, which I'll get to that in
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Speaker 5: a minute, and case closed. I think that would be
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Speaker 5: a mistake. I think that would be a tactical era
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Speaker 5: and I don't foresee that. I think with this report
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Speaker 5: coming out now indicating this level of gunfire and the
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Speaker 5: locations as to where they are, I think this now
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Speaker 5: has to move forward in a more traditional way. I
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Speaker 5: think this now has to be considered by a try
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Speaker 5: or of fact and a judge or jury, and only
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Speaker 5: a judge or jury Carlos would be able to evaluate
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Speaker 5: all of this evidence here from all of these witnesses,
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Speaker 5: look at all of this autopsy, hear from the medical
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Speaker 5: examiner himself here potentially from you know, defense witnesses, and
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Speaker 5: make a legal conclusion that would feel like justice.
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Speaker 2: So then, yeah, so based on this evidence, I want
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Speaker 2: to talk to you about this.
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Speaker 3: Okay, not to make this a rain thing, but in
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Speaker 3: most black households, if.
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Speaker 2: I I'm sisters, yeah, if your sister calls you and
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Speaker 2: says that my boyfriend allegedly put hands on me. And
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: Most brothers would definitely go to protect their sister, right,
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Speaker 3: So would that being said, would this be a.
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Speaker 2: If you were a part of Kai and Kirk's Frost
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Speaker 2: Junior's legal team. Yes, and they're allegedly.
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Speaker 3: Saying to you, our sister called us, this man was
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Speaker 3: putting hands on her.
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Speaker 2: We confronted him.
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Speaker 3: He pulled out a gun first, and we put out
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Speaker 3: a gun second, and then the rest is history is
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Speaker 3: that of good case for self defense?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's back it up. First of all, let's talk.
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Speaker 5: So some people are gonna hear self defense, Carlos, and
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Speaker 5: they're gonna take it literally. So they're gonna say, even
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Speaker 5: if he was putting his hands on the sister, what
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Speaker 5: that's got to.
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Speaker 2: Do with you.
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Speaker 5: You took yourself over there per her request or urging
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Speaker 5: or invitation, whatever we want to say, right, and you
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Speaker 5: inserted yourself into the matter.
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Speaker 2: I want to clear this up just.
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Speaker 5: For anybody that it's confused when they hear self defense
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Speaker 5: and think what te Hood wasn't beating his ass, you know,
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Speaker 5: the brothers, So how is that illegal defense?
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Speaker 2: Mechanism.
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Speaker 5: It's under the theory of defense of others. Okay, So
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Speaker 5: in Georgia, as in most states, the same level of
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Speaker 5: defense you could apply to yourself you get to reasonably
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Speaker 5: apply to others. So that is I just want to
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Speaker 5: lay out, Carlos, the legal mechanism that would allow a
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Speaker 5: successful legal defense to be mounted by the brother in
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Speaker 5: this case Kai that says he gets to protect his
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Speaker 5: sister or frankly, even a stranger. There doesn't need to
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Speaker 5: be a relationship between the person and the person they're protecting.
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Speaker 5: That's important to cite as well. If you or I
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Speaker 5: didn't know each other from a can of paint and
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Speaker 5: we happened to be at McDonald's and you saw a
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Speaker 5: man or beating me, you could use force, even deadly forced,
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Speaker 5: to protect me a woman you don't even know, because
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Speaker 5: that is what defense of self or defense of others
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Speaker 5: legally affords you.
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Speaker 2: That's clear.
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Speaker 5: Yes, now I want to talk about your comment, which
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Speaker 5: you made off the cuff, but it's very important because
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Speaker 5: we don't know what this jury potentially could look like
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Speaker 5: if this goes the way I think it's gonna go
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Speaker 5: based off of what I'm already seeing.
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Speaker 2: Just this little bit.
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Speaker 4: This is probably gonna go to trial. Okay.
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Speaker 5: And you said not to make it a black thing.
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Speaker 5: But if somebody, I'm a brother, if somebody beats to myself.
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Speaker 5: You've seen The Godfather, I presume.
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Speaker 4: The film, so clock White Clock, Italian team, Baby Clock,
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Speaker 4: White Folks team.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 5: I think that is a very effective defense argument regardless
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Speaker 5: of race. Ninety nine point of any culture is going
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Speaker 5: and if you have it, I wouldn't be above playing
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Speaker 5: the clip in my closing argument. If I'm representing Kyle
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Speaker 5: Frost on defence.
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Speaker 4: Let's let's remind American jurors of our values around family
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Speaker 4: and protection?
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Speaker 2: Am I am I good? Am I good?
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Speaker 4: Or am I good? But not not?
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Speaker 5: You left the frame, Carlos, You're great frame. But you
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Speaker 5: see what I'm saying. That's how you connect that. And
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Speaker 5: you say, ever since the Dawn of Americana, brothers protect
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Speaker 5: their sisters.
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Speaker 4: And again I'm not this is impersonal.
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying this is how he should go, but
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Speaker 5: I'm saying this is how the argument is made.
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Speaker 4: And for those rings know what we're referring to.
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Speaker 5: In the first Godfather film, one of the oldest brothers, Sonny,
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Speaker 5: his sister is being beaten like a rag doll by
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Speaker 5: her husband, and she calls her brother.
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Speaker 4: Sonny, Oh my god, he's beating my ass.
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Speaker 5: Bye bye bah, And he's literally beating her as she's
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Speaker 5: calling Sonny runs his ass over there, and ultimately, and
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Speaker 5: let's clock this piece, it was a setup.
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Speaker 4: It actually was a setup in the godfather.
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Speaker 5: To get money out of the house and get him
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Speaker 5: somewhere else so they could kill Sonny. So this is
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Speaker 5: now where it's complicated. So there's the basic premise of
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Speaker 5: brothers protect sisters by any means, you know, But then
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Speaker 5: there's also, well, is there also an argument on the
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Speaker 5: other side, on the tea hood side, the victim side,
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Speaker 5: the prosecutor side, that says, well, how do we know
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Speaker 5: this isn't a broad manipulation by the Frost family if
23:16
Speaker 5: you will to say yes, she is a victim of
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Speaker 5: domestic violence, because we already know videos are already starting
23:22
Speaker 5: to come out and show them, like you said, in
23:25
Speaker 5: police reports now on one calls going back at least
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Speaker 5: to twenty twenty four, maybe before. So that is going
23:32
Speaker 5: to be laid in trial that there was a pattern
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Speaker 5: likely of domestic abuse by the hands of tea hood
23:40
Speaker 5: to Kylie.
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Speaker 4: But then they're going to say, but.
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Speaker 5: How do we eliminate the possibility that, due to that
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Speaker 5: pattern of abuse, Kylie didn't say enough is enough?
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Speaker 4: And I'm going to.
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Speaker 5: What's the word construe and create a scenario in which
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Speaker 5: deadly force.
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Speaker 2: Will be used against my abuser.
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Speaker 5: But here's the thing about that, and this goes back
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Speaker 5: to the origin of the battered woman's defense, which didn't
24:12
Speaker 5: used to exist in a big way until the Betty
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Speaker 5: Broadery trial.
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Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite trials.
24:17
Speaker 5: So if you ever want to do true crime with
24:20
Speaker 5: Carlos King the archives, baby call me.
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Speaker 2: They had a TV special two years ago two.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, Dirty John season two anyway, yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 5: But here's the thing about the battered woman's defense, Carlos King.
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Speaker 5: It must be used in the moment, meaning it is
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Speaker 5: not legally justifiable to go. Essentially, what the law would
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Speaker 5: say is retaliate, so to kill or harm after the fact.
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Speaker 5: So so so a man or woman could be meeting
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Speaker 5: someone else for years, actually beating them, actually harming them,
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Speaker 5: causing them harm, great physical harm, almost debt right. And
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Speaker 5: the law does not recognize a legal right, a justifiable
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Speaker 5: legal right to come after the abuser unless it is
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Speaker 5: in real time what we called the heat of the moment.
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Speaker 5: If it's any time other than that, that is non
25:27
Speaker 5: justifiable assault or homicide or whatever it is. So what
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Speaker 5: I'm framing is that there is an argument that will
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Speaker 5: be considered, I'm sure. And this is what t Hood's
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Speaker 5: family is already suggesting, right, is that Okay, you know
25:44
Speaker 5: she let's say, you know, she's this alleged victim, and
25:48
Speaker 5: because she decided she was tired of being a victim,
25:52
Speaker 5: she orchestrated. That's the allegation from the family, right, is
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Speaker 5: that this is now an orchestrated effort to set our
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Speaker 5: son t Hood up to be murdered, to be dealt with,
26:07
Speaker 5: to in the abuse cycle in this particular way. The
26:11
Speaker 5: only problem is it is still murder if he wasn't
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Speaker 5: if this was not all authentic, if this wasn't a
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Speaker 5: genuine attack, she was being genuinely abused in real time
26:23
Speaker 5: and the brothers were called in a real authentic way.
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Speaker 5: If there's any discovery that there was any setup or
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Speaker 5: planning or we're gonna do, that undermines the whole defense.
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Speaker 3: That's actually very fascinating and I want to read this
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Speaker 3: to you and the rain drops.
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Speaker 2: Ebony just face on.
26:46
Speaker 3: In August twelfth report from Gwyneth County that spells out
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Speaker 3: what happened that fad of night. So, according to Greneth County,
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Speaker 3: the shooter remain unseen at the time of the incident,
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Speaker 3: and both the shooter and witnesses continued to cooperate with investigators.
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Speaker 3: Preliminary information indicates that a domestic disturbance occurred of the residence,
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Speaker 3: resulting in a female victim sustaining physical injuries. Okay, So
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Speaker 3: what Ebany is saying to you guys, which this is,
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Speaker 3: which this is corroborating, is.
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Speaker 4: Like actual beating was happening in real time exactly.
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Speaker 3: So the victim sustained physical injuries at the time of
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Speaker 3: the shooting, and that the shooter remained on the seeing
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Speaker 3: of the crime, cooperating with investigat with with the with
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Speaker 3: the police, the shooter and they're not naming people.
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Speaker 6: The shooter who arrived at the residence after mm hm
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Speaker 6: the physical altercation had taken place, separated himself from the
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Speaker 6: residence before the shooting occurred.
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Speaker 2: I saw that.
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Speaker 5: I thought that was very interesting. So then I was like,
28:08
Speaker 5: so did he come back. Yeah, yes, so that needs
28:13
Speaker 5: to be explained. That's a whole. That's what we call
28:16
Speaker 5: a hole in the story, right what you just pointed out, Carlos,
28:19
Speaker 5: let you separate yours that you left, but then obviously
28:21
Speaker 5: you must have come back and then completed the shooting,
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Speaker 5: and then you stayed on site to cooperate, almost as
28:26
Speaker 5: if you knew you had questions to account for. And
28:30
Speaker 5: almost one could argue as if you knew you had
28:33
Speaker 5: good facts to justify the shooting. Who all speculative, but
28:39
Speaker 5: could either to play out. I want to talk about
28:42
Speaker 5: what would be required for ky Frost, who is the
28:45
Speaker 5: named lead suspect, to be successful in the self defense
28:51
Speaker 5: slash defense of others effort. It doesn't require that she
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Speaker 5: was about to die, because a lot of people think
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Speaker 5: that they think well.
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Speaker 2: In order for him to justifiably use deadly force.
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Speaker 5: Against t Hood, certainly t Hood must have been trying
29:09
Speaker 5: to kill his sister.
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Speaker 4: That is not required.
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Speaker 2: That is not required.
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Speaker 5: In the state of Georgia. You can use force up
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Speaker 5: to deadly force, which is what we're talking about. This
29:19
Speaker 5: is a deadly force case if you believe reasonably. That's
29:24
Speaker 5: a very important word. Carlos, reasonably believe that yourself or
29:29
Speaker 5: the other in this case, Kylie was under threat or
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Speaker 5: force that would cause significant harm is a high enough threshold.
29:42
Speaker 5: She doesn't have to be almost killed. You don't have
29:45
Speaker 5: to believe that she's going to be killed. You just
29:47
Speaker 5: have to believe that she's going to continue to be
29:50
Speaker 5: significantly harmed. But the law does require something called proportionality,
29:57
Speaker 5: that the force you use, even up to force, is
30:01
Speaker 5: proportionate to the harm that you reasonably believed was being
30:07
Speaker 5: out executed or possible. So let's say you're the prosecutor. Okay,
30:13
Speaker 5: now you want to say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
30:15
Speaker 5: you may very well believe and empathize with the defendant
30:19
Speaker 5: because some of you are fathers, some of you are brothers,
30:23
Speaker 5: some of you are mama bear mothers who believe that
30:26
Speaker 5: if you saw your daughter being jumped on, beat down,
30:32
Speaker 5: you too would do what we're saying mister Kai did.
30:36
Speaker 5: But in what world does that require you to stop
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Speaker 5: the harm the deceased allegedly did? In what world does
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Speaker 5: that require.
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Speaker 4: A bullet in the back, a bullet in the butt,
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Speaker 4: a bullet in the leg.
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Speaker 2: And see what I'm saying, so, now.
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Speaker 5: We're cracking the proportionality piece of the defense argument that, Okay,
31:05
Speaker 5: we can understand somebody wanting to put a stop to
31:07
Speaker 5: their sister being harmed, but we're now saying that the
31:11
Speaker 5: proportionality of the force used, even if it was even
31:16
Speaker 5: if we could say, hey, if he shot him once
31:18
Speaker 5: or twice, I guess, but he didn't shoot him once
31:22
Speaker 5: or twice.
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 4: This is what you call overkill.
31:26
Speaker 2: This is what you call h of. It's a word
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Speaker 2: not revenge. This is vigilante killing.
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Speaker 5: This is a brother seeking revenge vigilante style, over months
31:42
Speaker 5: and months and months, if not years and years and
31:44
Speaker 5: years of physical and emotional abuse suffered at the hands
31:49
Speaker 5: of his sister. And while we can emotionally understand the
31:52
Speaker 5: desire to do that, this state's laws do not recognize
31:58
Speaker 5: vigilante justice. And on that basis, you must find this
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Speaker 5: defendant guilty of second Now, it's not gonna be first
32:06
Speaker 5: degree murder. I can tell you that right now.
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Speaker 3: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't see it. I don't And what explained first
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Speaker 2: degree murder to and why it would it be that?
32:13
Speaker 5: Yes, so first degree murder requires the highest level of
32:16
Speaker 5: intent Carlos and has no mitigators, So that would be
32:20
Speaker 5: I'm coming here for no other reason than to cause
32:25
Speaker 5: your death. The mere fact that the brother was responsive,
32:29
Speaker 5: for all the facts that we're hearing right, was responsive
32:32
Speaker 5: to a domestic dispute kind of takes that all the
32:35
Speaker 5: way off the table.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Now there's second degree murder, which may be on
32:41
Speaker 4: the table, which.
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Speaker 5: Says that there might have been some mitigators, but ultimately
32:45
Speaker 5: you intended to cause the death of another. You had
32:48
Speaker 5: that intention, and there was not enough to justify it. Okay,
32:52
Speaker 5: so maybe you went to break it up, but at
32:55
Speaker 5: some point that intention switched to no, I'm gonna kill you.
32:59
Speaker 5: That would a second degree. And then we've got what,
33:04
Speaker 5: just looking at this real quick with what we know,
33:06
Speaker 5: I think is more appropriate, probably an imperfect self defense model,
33:11
Speaker 5: which says there was probably some real self defense or
33:15
Speaker 5: defense of others intentionality here, but you overdid it. You
33:20
Speaker 5: overdid it, You did too much, It was out of proportion.
33:24
Speaker 5: Or even if you believe you needed to shoot him
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Speaker 5: five times to get him off your sister, that wasn't reasonable.
33:31
Speaker 4: You might have really believed that, but.
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Speaker 5: A reasonable person would not have acted in that way.
33:38
Speaker 5: So thus that would be an imperfect self.
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Speaker 3: Defense makes sense, makes sense, and that is what Teahood's
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Speaker 3: family is pretty much suggesting that if there was self
33:51
Speaker 3: defense at the shopper five times so ebony is active
33:54
Speaker 3: in terms of the sort of like world.
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Speaker 2: It was the family saying that that could be the case.
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Speaker 3: One thing I want to address to before I let
34:04
Speaker 3: you go, Ebony is, according to TMZ, tee Hood had
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Speaker 3: a brush with death months before the fatal shooting. Tea
34:16
Speaker 3: Hood was struck by gunfire just months before he was shot,
34:21
Speaker 3: did in his home. TMZ obtained a police support in
34:25
Speaker 3: Georgia that stays tee Hood showed up to a hospital
34:29
Speaker 3: in late April with gunshot wounds. Now, this is from
34:35
Speaker 3: the Calb County Police Department. The report says that the
34:41
Speaker 3: police department in the calv County was called to a
34:45
Speaker 3: shell gas station for a report of a shooting. Cops
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Speaker 3: say they encountered a woman with a gun shot injury
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Speaker 3: to her leg and approximately ten bullet hill hay sinks
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Speaker 3: in the parking lot and roadway. Police say about twenty
35:04
Speaker 3: five minutes after the report of the shooting came in,
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Speaker 3: they were advised a man later identified as Tea Hood
35:13
Speaker 3: showed up at a nearby hospital with guns shot wounds.
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Speaker 2: This report is from April twenty eight.
35:20
Speaker 3: A few days later, Tea Hood posted images on social
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Speaker 3: media of himself in the hospital. Did there are reports
35:28
Speaker 3: that are alleging they're alleging that Tea Hood has had
35:33
Speaker 3: passed past behavior allegedly abusing women. That's what people are alleging.
35:42
Speaker 5: And again, that's gonna come if this goes to trial,
35:46
Speaker 5: as I expect it will, unless he takes a plea,
35:49
Speaker 5: which they may.
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Speaker 2: That's another story for We'll get to that in the
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Speaker 2: future episode.
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Speaker 5: But like what a plea could look like, right, and
35:55
Speaker 5: why a prosecutor's office might be incentivized to go that
35:59
Speaker 5: route if it goes to trial. All that's coming in
36:01
Speaker 5: Carlos I mean not not saying it's going to come
36:03
Speaker 5: into evidence, but they will, meaning the defense will try
36:08
Speaker 5: to bring that because that helps their argument that the
36:12
Speaker 5: deceased he Hood is just a problem, that he is
36:17
Speaker 5: just a problem. He is a threat to public safety,
36:21
Speaker 5: he is a threat to the safety of others. Essentially,
36:25
Speaker 5: it's a he had it coming defense, which we've seen before.
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Speaker 4: He had it coming if.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't going to be the defendant defending his sister
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Speaker 5: from a beating. It was gonna be somebody's husband, somebody's daddy,
36:38
Speaker 5: somebody at some point was going to put this bad
36:42
Speaker 5: actor down.
36:43
Speaker 2: That becomes the defense.
36:44
Speaker 4: This is interesting as hell, Carlos, I gotta tell.
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Speaker 2: You, these are I'm serious.
36:49
Speaker 5: These are some interesting facts because this involves family, loyalty
36:55
Speaker 5: and protection. This involves celebrity because te Hood is a
37:01
Speaker 5: reper in his own right. Obviously the Frost are an entity,
37:05
Speaker 5: you know, So this is that wealth and celebrity. This
37:09
Speaker 5: is also the politics local politics. That's why I'm gonna
37:12
Speaker 5: do some investigation between now in our next episode, the
37:15
Speaker 5: distinctions of Gyne County Decalb County, you know, because all
37:18
Speaker 5: of these things play apart. You know, I've in with
37:21
Speaker 5: with my former practice. I've had clients I'm representing that
37:24
Speaker 5: maybe they cat cases. My case is in Durham, but
37:28
Speaker 5: they got another case in Orange County, they got something
37:30
Speaker 5: in Wait County. So I got to get on the
37:32
Speaker 5: phone and we gotta we got to manage all the
37:35
Speaker 5: politics of that as a part of the defense strategy,
37:39
Speaker 5: because I can't do my job effectively if I don't
37:41
Speaker 5: know how all of these political elements are landing.
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Speaker 2: This is deep, This is very deep.
37:50
Speaker 3: It is it is. It is obviously our hearts go
37:52
Speaker 3: out to Tee Hood's family who obviously you know, loss
37:56
Speaker 3: of loss of brother, loss of son. Yeah, yeah, so
38:02
Speaker 3: Ahar goes out to them and all her goles out
38:05
Speaker 3: to healthy who you know was the victim. Allegend, I'll
38:10
Speaker 3: just tell a leegend for the sake of it, do
38:12
Speaker 3: message of you. So harges out to the Frost family,
38:15
Speaker 3: to the family.
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Speaker 5: Harlow's put on social media that for her she still
38:21
Speaker 5: lost the love of her life. Her words, not ours, That's.
38:24
Speaker 3: What she say that she is.
38:26
Speaker 5: And so it would be interesting if this does go
38:28
Speaker 5: to trial, if she takes the stand, and if that
38:32
Speaker 5: is beneficial to the brother's case, if it goes that way,
38:37
Speaker 5: or she sounds like right now she would serve to
38:40
Speaker 5: humanize Tea Hood. Actually, so this is all very fascinating.
38:45
Speaker 3: Yes, And in our next episode the rain drops, this
38:48
Speaker 3: will be a sory similar to the Diddy trial that
38:52
Speaker 3: Evan I did recently. Obviously, this has not gone to trial,
38:56
Speaker 3: no charges having fouled, no arrested and made officially, But
39:00
Speaker 3: what I will say is in our next episode. I
39:04
Speaker 3: do want to, like Evan he said, break down the
39:05
Speaker 3: politics regarding the counties, but I also.
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Speaker 2: Want to break down which was a great cliffhanger.
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Speaker 3: Kelthy writing a note stating that this was the love
39:18
Speaker 3: of her life and what that means for this case?
39:20
Speaker 2: Is it a case of Stockholm syndrome? Does that? Does
39:23
Speaker 2: that hurt her brother's case if he is involved allegedly.
39:27
Speaker 3: So there's there's much more to dive into this, which
39:30
Speaker 3: is why she and I will be making this a
39:33
Speaker 3: series as we track down every case, every situation because
39:38
Speaker 3: as of today, the autopic came out, and trust me,
39:41
Speaker 3: by the time of the next recording, there's going to
39:43
Speaker 3: be more information.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is this is just getting started. So this
39:47
Speaker 5: is a perfect time rain Drops to clock in as
39:50
Speaker 5: we cover this. You know, Gavel to Gavel as we.
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Speaker 3: Say yes, Emika, well, thank you so much, give baby
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Speaker 3: Liberty my.
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Speaker 5: Love and I'll see you in the next Love you darling,
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Speaker 5: see you soon, Bye rain Drops.
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Speaker 2: Bye bye.
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