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Suitcase Souls: Playing Bold & Following Your Passion · The Bold Lounge

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Bold Lounge Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: My name is Lee Burgess and I will be your host.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you're anything like me, you love hearing inspiring stories of people who have gone on bold journeys and made a positive impact in their life.
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  SPEAKER_03: This podcast is all about those kinds of stories.
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  SPEAKER_03: Every week we'll hear from someone who has taken the lead and worked on an extraordinary project.
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  SPEAKER_03: In addition to hearing their stories, also learn about their bold, growth, and mindset that they used to make things context.
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  SPEAKER_03: Whether they face challenges or doubts along the way, they persisted and ultimately achieved their bold.
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  SPEAKER_03: These impactful stories will make you play motivated and inspired to pursue your own bold topic.
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  SPEAKER_03: I believe everyone has a bold story waiting to be created.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tune in and get ready to be inspired.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the bold lounge.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today I'm so excited, and I have Kyle and Marcy Prusina, Suke Souls.
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  SPEAKER_03: They are a singer, songwriter, pop duo from Nashville.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome, Kyle and Marcy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Lee.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are we are so grateful and thankful to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks for having us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm very excited to introduce you to the audience who is all about being bold.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's always a continuum of bold, and I think from a perspective of what people do and where they start and how they end up and how they keep going.
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  SPEAKER_03: So really, really excited to hear your journey and your story of boldness.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we'll start off with the regular question I ask everyone is what is your definition of bold?
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  SPEAKER_01: Marcy, I'm gonna let you go first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the thing that came to my mind is to me, being bold is doing doing something that actually requires some risk and doing it knowing that there's a risk, but you're gonna follow through and you're gonna be courageous, even though you don't know an outcome of of what that thing may be.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you you have to just kind of take a step forward and no matter what happens in a certain scenario or whatever that is, I don't think you would regret stepping out in boldness because you know that you could have given it your best shot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, and and there's really there's really no failure to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you can give things your best try and your best shot at things, but it's always gonna progress you further along wherever you are in your journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that like failure to me doesn't really exist.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just gotta keep going, and that takes and requires a lot of boldness and courage.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I heard someone the other day say fail like stands for first attempt and learning.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was kind of cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's really good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So taking a risk, you know, obviously requires kind of leaning into some unknown.
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  SPEAKER_03: You might even be a little afraid.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think boldness is fearlessness.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's actually part of what may fuel you, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's good, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
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  SPEAKER_03: When was the first time based on your definition?
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  SPEAKER_03: You can go back as far or as recent as you want, that you you took a bold move.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first thing that comes to my mind, and I'm sure Kyle may be uh saying something very similar, but it's this music career because it requires a lot of boldness and because you just you really just can't be like uh wish like wishy-washy, I guess, about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't be all in.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to be all in about it, you have to really believe what you're doing and the why you're doing it, and that requires a lot of boldness because if you don't have that, then you will constantly be disappointed, you will not be sure of what you're doing or where you're going, and that's definitely not the best place to be, especially in the music industry for sure.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's something that we have to continually remind ourselves, not saying that we have it down perfectly, but we, I don't know, I just feel like we have to constantly take steps forward, even even if sometimes industry wants to push us back, you know, or we have many setbacks.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: It does take a lot of of just like that guest though, I guess, like to to really get to where you want to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like in the music, like, why would we be doing this if we didn't love it or if we didn't really feel like this was what we're our purpose is?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, because it's there's so many disappointments in the music industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many things of is anything gonna happen or is is is the needle moving far enough?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's so many like insecurities about being in this industry because it is such an unknown and uh it's a grind.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think that that really there's somebody that has said, like, if you are not sure that you love music, just don't do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, because it is it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you have to just kind of choose to keep going if you really love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the highs are high and the lows are lows, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like in that sense, and all through that you have to be, you know, I go back to all in because if you're not all in, then there's doubt, and I'm I'm assuming like stress and all those other things that are just normal human emotions, and then those up mostly could impact your art and how you feel and how you sing and those types of things.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right, Kyle, you're up.
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  SPEAKER_03: What what's your definition of bold?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think to me, boldness is acting despite high possibility of failure because I I think that there is kind of a strange like naivety that comes with doing something outside of the norm, um, especially when it comes to business.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: That there's kind of a safe way that I think people perceive as the right way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, um, I've given up on trying to convince anybody of uh another right way or a right or way, if you will, because I understand I think we're all kind of after the same thing.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think we want a feeling of purpose and meaning behind what we're doing, but also it has to be coupled with safety.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, boldness is creating something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to build somebody else's thing forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to build something that's my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because to me, that's the ultimate thing, you know, more than security or money or anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those things kind of take care of themselves if you help enough people.
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  SPEAKER_01: But to me, the real joy, the boldness is someday I want to be able to take 10 steps in a direction and then turn around and then look behind me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to see this mountain of things that happen because of those sequential bold steps.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't want to turn around and see all these things where oh man, I really I could have given myself more to that thing, but I kind of played it safe.
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  SPEAKER_01: So to me, boldness is kind of doing what your gut wants to do anyway, but just leaning into it completely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when was the first time you remember being bold?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think for me, I grew up as a pastor's son, and so that's how I got my start in music.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember writing my first song in my in my room.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like 10, 10 or 12 years old or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I had this little spiral notebook, and I only knew four chords on the guitar.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like, there was that was it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was all I could could work with.
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  SPEAKER_02: You gotta start somewhere.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and so I you know, learn these chords and and I'm like, well, this guitar and these chords, like there must only be one purpose for this, and that must be to write a song.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know, I I never questioned it, I just kind of did it, and then I wrote another one, and then I wrote another one, wrote another one.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: And before long, I had this full notebook of all these little silly songs, you know, about like my brother and sister, and and I don't know, like church songs for sure.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was just copying what I saw, but I didn't realize that was a bold step until until later because because nobody else was doing that, like none of my friends were were doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't I didn't realize it at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can't like take credit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just in me for some reason.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would say like the evolution of that moment was when I quit uh Bible school.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was trying to train to be a pastor and everything, and never really thought about it because I felt a lot of support and encouragement from my family to do that.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, sweet, okay, awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm the oldest child, I thrive on support and encouragement and everything, so I'll just kind of keep going until something stronger, like a stronger influence or feeling or something comes and changes my path.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened because that same feeling of like a surge of songs started happening again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so I found myself on my dorm floor at my at my Christian college campus, just writing song after song after song.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I got this feeling again of you know what, like nobody's really doing this, but I have to go this direction.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so that started me on looking for music schools, eventually transferring, majoring in songwriting, and that and that's where I met Marcy.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd say that was kind of the one of the bigger bold moves of my life that has really changed your trajectory to lead us where we are today, writing songs full time in Nashville and doing creative work.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that that was a big moment for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So a bold step that you know had some stages, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think one of the important things you said is you didn't know you were being bold, even like it was just like I was kind of following my heart as cliche or that sounds, in a sense of you were really following your passion and what you felt was pulling you, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I think sometimes people fight it, like you were saying, they kind of play it safe or they want to stay where it's stable, which stable and safe are not bad, but I don't know if you actually can live the life you're meant to live if you stay in that safe and stable world.
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  SPEAKER_03: At least mine is really good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I from my experience though, growing up, I I didn't want the normal life.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I was just going against the crowd and that and that way because a lot of people, like you're saying, wanted the safety, wanted like a suburb type of life and and family and kids and all the things, which we we still want, but like I I've always actually wanted to do the different thing.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wanted to do something that was what I was passionate about, you know, and that was expressing myself at that time before I met Kyle through music.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, this is this is not what people are doing, and they will tell you time and time again, you're going to struggle, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's funny because my my dad had told us that one time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: He didn't he didn't say it in so many words.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he meant it like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like he pulled us aside in the kitchen and said you're gonna struggle.
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  SPEAKER_01: He he actually said it just as part of his wedding speech, but not funny, and I don't think he meant I think he would have said that for anybody, but it's funny how it kind of carried some weight for us because it is because it is a longer road to do something like this, right?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: So but but I think we both have you know come to terms with like we're absolutely doing something that a bunch of other people find kind of ludicrous and crazy, and we're we're gonna keep doing it because we love it.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, well, you're not doing it for them.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, that's good, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, one of the pieces of being bold too is you realize, and it's just so awesome to see you all kind of in this space and doing your thing, and you know, I hope this amplifies a hundred times over for people to hear.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, when you're being bold, there are gonna be people that don't understand, they're not gonna understand it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what sometimes it actually brings out in them like what they wish they could do or what what they would hope they could do, and they totally have the power to do it, but somehow you're triggering that like if I could when I am one day, you know, and it's just like well, this today.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, our parents, you know, the weight of our parents' words, like it's just it happens, and they mean the best, but sometimes it's just like, oh, like, yeah, we all have it, like there's a moment, you know, in time, but it is a bit of a struggle, you know, being bold too isn't all easy and rainbows and butterflies every day, right?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: But at the end of the day, you're like, wow, I'm tired, or I'm, you know, that was a lot, or might be stressed, but hey, like I chose it.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's that's such I resonate with that a lot because the last couple of nights, not because I had to, but kind of because I just wanted to, I've had a lot of creative work.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then I found myself, you know, I check the time and it's midnight or something like that, you know, and that's a completely different feeling than if you have to work late, you know, for for something that you're not necessarily passionate about, right?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I I like what you said about pulling, it's kind of pulling you along.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and although it may be a cliche in some other contexts, I really think like the follow your heart thing, I used to kind of have funny feelings about that, and now it starts to make sense because sometimes there are things that sort of they pull you in that they kind of create their own momentum and you kind of fall into the slipstream.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to explain.
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  SPEAKER_01: But once you're in that thing, it even though it never stops being difficult, it's easy to continue.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's what music feels like for us.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were talking with a friend actually recently about this, and and she was saying, you know, like if if I completely tomorrow I gave up music completely, uh, you know, for I don't know, a year.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: And we were talking about how there would still be like moments of creativity that come to us, and there's still be moments where we want to be singing or we want to be performing, and we would we would just feel sad to not be able to experience that.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like if we just decided today we're gonna quit, we're gonna be done.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think that just sounds terrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It sounds yeah, you know, like it's just like, oh no, like why would we ever do that?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is you know, like there, there it's just in us, you know, like there's gonna be something coming forth creatively, constantly, you know.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: So that might be like a test review, like the quit test.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: If you say I quit, whether it's your role or your job or a relationship or whatever it may be, and it makes you sad, there's something there, right?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: There's something there.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: But if you say I quit and it doesn't really feel or feels good, I'd have that exact like what should I be doing?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Why does that feel okay to leave something?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm not a therapist, but I just think there's something there in the sense of like no, that's really good.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you feel sad to leave something, I think you were meant to be biased with it through it, to carry out all those things that go into it.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think in the relationship with our our passion is a relationship.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: So like you get mad at it, you get happy with it, you're like ups, like I you're having an up and down relationship with it, but it's mostly ups.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: But like if you go through these waves of, you know, am I doing the right thing?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I am.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: Your your response back to yourself or how many times that comes up.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like from the time that you decide to the time that you're doing it, like those moments happen less and less and less.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: I know my first year was just like definitely the first three, four months when I was like, Am I having am I gonna get a client?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like it took me four months to get a client, which sounds maybe short, but when it's like you're the person, you know, the breadwinner, the person like putting you know doing things and you know, people are believing in you, and you're like, you know, I don't want to let everybody down.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so like you get a little nervous in there.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel that, I feel that in a big way with creative work that's very client-based.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've started a new brand recently that's that's similar, that's kind of a new space for me in video and things like that.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it is, there's some pressure because it's called kind of a double-edged sword when people believe in you, right?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because everybody wants that, then you want support and oh my gosh, that's so awesome! That makes perfect sense, you know, whenever you start a new idea or something.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then like you said, you know, you don't want to let them down.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it comes back to the the bold idea for me is I I really love what you said about there being less and less of those moments.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: When you first start, you know, kind of doing these these sort of things, there's a million of those.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, but what's per hour?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly, exactly.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think as you go, as you've tried more things, the beautiful thing about trying something is no matter what happens, on the other side, you're gonna be stronger.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you will, because you'll be faster at decision making, not more, not reckless, you know, but you'll be able to take a decision and very quickly weigh it against what happened with all the the rest of the things and say, okay, that didn't work.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna pivot, I'm gonna create this offer, and I'm gonna press go and that's it.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then you lean 100% into it, and you know, the the clients, it's six months, one month, a year.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think once you believe with the right actions, this is a inevitability.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a lot of power there because what you've done is you've trained yourself to say no to those feelings of fear, those feelings of maybe I'm on the wrong path.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: It it's kind of crazy because probably somebody in their right mind would would say, Hey, you know, I maybe I am on the wrong path, but the it would be such a shame to quit right before that first client, you know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: If if at three and a half months you would have said, Hey, you know, uh three months was kind of was kind of that would be awful, you know, it would never create all the results that it has for people and for yourself and for your community that it has.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so there has to be a level of craziness, I think.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's some crazy in being bold, right?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah, and there's belief.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: So, in the sense of also having a little bit of crazy in there, there's this belief not only in yourself, but also in kind of like I'll learn along the way, the growth mindset.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: So, in in your world, what does belief look like?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm a big systems person, like an inputs, outputs type of person.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, belief is different than hope.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: When we first started, I would say when I was in my early 20s and I was in another band and we were playing and touring and making records and all of that kind of thing.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you're always hoping for the next opportunity.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I say opportunity in air quotes, because the problem with kind of hope versus belief is that it takes the control and it disperses it out of your hands.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And there's all these things that you hope come together.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas I feel belief is if we create certain systems, eventually, mathematically, success has to happen.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: What you're doing is you're just turning up the knobs on all of the likelihood that these systems will attract A, the right people, B, you can say no to the wrong people.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then C, when those opportunities come, you will be ready for them, uh, in that you can actually fully appreciate and take advantage of them.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because if the if the right opportunity comes at the wrong time, it's not an opportunity.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just a kind of a kind of a hindrance.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, belief is simply do the work, get great at the craft, and then the back end systems that will elevate your craft or your service or whatever it is that you do, those things are easy.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the hard work is become the type of person that you want to be for the audience that you wish to serve.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then the belief is simply okay, awesome.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: People have come before me and done this already, which means it's not crazy to think, it's not a huge leap to say, if I do the same things with the right people in place, it has to work.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what takes a lot of the fear out of it for business people, for people who are trying to get into something like this where they can have a bit more control.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's not as crazy as all your extended family thinks it is.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's to give you a little bit of hope.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the belief is not simply a blind, a blind faith that everything will work out.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's maybe a tiny bit of that, but yeah, more than half of it is planned and it's it's a deep-seated conviction that what I have is valuable, like sure, monetarily, but also just existentially for my audience.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: When I show up and when we have the right people, the results will be great, you know.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then the byproduct has to be business success.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: But it comes first as just, I know that what I what I have to bring to the table is valuable.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I think it begins.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is if somebody believes that sincerely in their heart of hearts and they've tested it, they've verified it, you know, in in small ways to say, Oh, you know what, I have received feedback.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: This this is important, what I have to bring, then the rest of it will take care of itself.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's that's where the belief lies for me.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it takes work, it takes preparation, and it takes a plan.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: What's also interesting is people say, Oh, that's too hard, or you know, I just not sure.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, but you work hard for someone else, or you work hard, you know, like you'll work hard for X, but yeah, this you know, doing something for yourself, of course it might be hard, right?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: But you're doing it for yourself and you're moving.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Through those paces with a belief that you'll succeed, you know.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: And again, there are emotions that come in every now and then and go, Whoo, am I doing this?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: And the half the time, at least when I first started, I was like, Am I doing it right?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's so yes, yeah.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like as you're kind of trying a new song or trying something new, and you're actually taking your craft and you're doing cool things with it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe tell tell people kind of what you do because because it's not just you go up and you you know, you obviously you perform, you have your own music, you have new things coming out, even on June 23rd, you have your new single coming out.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, but how have you taken it and made it into a forum that can help people in all these different ways?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I love that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll I want to hear what you have to say, Marcy, as well.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I want to touch on something you said, Lee, that I think is really important for pretty much anybody who could be listening.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is so empowering.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the idea is am I doing it right?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's a good thought because at the very beginning of something, the beautiful thing about that question is it implies that there's a great track history.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's a track record of people who come before that have kind of done it wrong and figured out what works.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so that means that we've recognized, oh, I can go back and I can actually skip a lot of those those steps and I can learn from people who come before.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that question for that reason.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Am I doing it right?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you dive in, you just there's you just gotta figure out a lot of stuff when you start your own business and when you start your own endeavor endeavor.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think the other belief is that that you have to couple with that is I can do this.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if X.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a lot of like, I believe that no matter what brick wall I run into, I can learn it.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't used to think that.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: But as we've gotten into music and we've started, I've started to learn how to produce, and there's just skills that you have to learn along the way.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I think for anybody starting any new endeavor, if they're wanting to get into their own business and take that full time, there has to be kind of this crazy belief of no matter what I run into, whether it's the website or you know, so just small things.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Some people get finances, right?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like no matter what it is, I can either A, learn how to do it, um, or B, I can find somebody on my team, you know, who is of a like mind with me that I can partner with and I can outsource that thing.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: So no matter what, it becomes, oh, you know, it goes from, oh, that's too hard, to oh, how can I solve that problem?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And as soon as you make that switch, there's nothing that can stop you.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're definitely, he's definitely this the problem solver of the two of us.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and he sees an obstacle and he's like, All right, how do we get over it or around it?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Measuring it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And yes.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm and I'm definitely more, I have the tendency a little bit more to be like, oh no, I just hit a wall.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: What do we do?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like kind of freak freak out a little bit and complain or something for I don't know how long, a day or two.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's like, no, well, this is how we're gonna do this.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I feel like, so I think to your question, it was like how like how we how do we kind of like do what we do?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: Is that is that yeah, like how do you take something because you know, for example, I think as you create a product or a service in my world, and probably in your world too as well, it's like they're all the ideas aren't good ones, and so it's like figuring out, okay, that that kind of didn't catch, or people didn't understand.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: That was another thing.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I think people didn't understand what I do or how I do it, and or how I do it differently, how I'm differentiating.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: So that's like a big piece to it.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: But like you're taking your passion and it's like, okay, I'm there's like multiple ways I can be creative, there's multiple ways I can be a musician, and they're all positive, and you may like one more than the other, but they're all things that help support your ultimate goal, right?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I think for us it it is a lot of trial and error with like social media specifically, you know, because if you're not on social media and not making content, people do not know about you, you know.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we we have a lot of trial and error right now with that and figuring out what's gonna help us get out there because obviously I do think as musicians, I think our main passion is to perform live.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: That just does something in both of us that's just like, whoo, that's so that nothing takes away that feeling of performing live.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So having to figure out how to get these people in a crowd to actually like go check us out, go listen to our music.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: We have to be, you know, just trial and error, figuring things out with like how are we gonna connect with people?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: How are we gonna share our story?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: How are we gonna share our music that's gonna helpfully speak to them?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and a lot of it is with the songwriting too, because if you don't have a good song, you don't have a good song in anything, you know, and you can't fake it, you can't make that exactly.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so people are not resonating with it, yeah, you will kind of quickly find out too.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like, oh okay, well, that one just did, you know, and and I think uh our previous work, we did an album like released a couple of years ago.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like a concept album.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: We wrote it in our very first couple years of marriage, and um you know, we we were very much like so deeply in love, which is we still are, it's great, but like we wrote that entire album about us, you know, and and now looking back at it, we're like, oh man, people are probably like, Man, they just wrote so much about themselves.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we're like, Well, great, we now know how to not do that again.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And however, we have had some people resonate with some of those songs too, but I would say so.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that's the cool thing about music.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I may really connect with track three, and you know, maybe my husband connects with five, and you know, my friend with seven, and maybe we all just freaking love eight, and nobody likes nine.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, except you know, like that.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's that for me, like that's kind of hard as a musician because each one of those are like a creation which takes time, and I think like I don't even know the half of it, but just the layers of the production and the coordination and the just the whole thing.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's not like on average, uh, how long does it take to take a song from I have an idea and I wrote the words to it's a song?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish it was like a cookie cutter answer every time.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the cool thing yeah, there are elements of just wild card where it's just like you never know, or like you get an idea, and then you write the whole thing in a half an hour on your a note in your phone, and for whatever reason, you can you you know how you want the melody to go before you ever pick up a guitar or piano or whatever, and then you just go to it and you you make a voice memo, and sometimes it's it's that quick.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: But for example, another song uh that'll be the single we release after this next one.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: We wrote it with our producer and it took us maybe two or three hours, but we really needed to just stew on the idea and we had the concept, yes, but sometimes it just takes being in the room with other people and and kind of putting the song on the shelf for a minute and just talking about what it really is, that feeling that you're digging towards.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then once you kind of hit that, you know, that nugget, then it's it almost writes itself, right?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so like I'm thinking of already there, you know, a song that was really like, you know, in a world where you're chasing the next thing, what if what if you kind of pause to say, yeah, but where I'm at now is where I dreamed of being, you know, years of years ago.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so it took us so long to figure out how to say that in a way that that felt sincere.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I I think what when you can combine just go-to systems, for example, like if you if you run into a brick wall with a lyric or something like that, like say we're we're writing and we just can't figure out what this verse needs to be.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, like I'll give myself a window of time, and if we don't get it in that time, instead of just hitting our heads against the wall, we'll go back and we'll write the chorus.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then if the verse still isn't coming, we'll write the bridge.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then by that point, usually we've got enough elements there that'll help just bring some juice to that verse, and and then it'll kind of write itself.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: And also, I'll say this too like it's okay, I guess in songwriting.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people think that your first thoughts have to be like super concrete.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, in songwriting world, you can just scratch it all and start over.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: You can.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I and and sometimes I think as artists and creatives, you can be holding so tightly to your ideas and things.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's like, uh, that actually it could be better, but there is there may be something there, but there could be something better.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: And let's maybe take a different angle and let's go for that.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so that's something that I've had to learn myself because like I what like if I like a Taylor Swift thing, like I'm writing out in my diary and I'm just gonna write that.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it doesn't always come out the best, but it's okay.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: But there's definitely things that that are there, some gold nuggets there.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: I think one of the things, a couple of things you said, like letting it sit and kind of letting working on other things, I think it's certainly being extrapolated out for lots of people.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: So, like you you don't have to like hit it out of the park the very first time you do it.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: You may not, you might strike out, you know.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I I have definitely done that in the last, well, my entire life, but definitely as I've started out on my own business, like it's like, whoa, that really didn't go the way I thought.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Or I thought it was super cool and no one else did.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't know if you've ever had that moment, but it's well, yeah, humbling.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it it it's it's just good to let it sit.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's that's always a good idea.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and then every once in a while you'll have that Dolly Parton day where you write, I will always love you and Jolene in the same day.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And and and you're like, I'm on a roll, let's release it now.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: And um, but that's yeah, but that's like once every blue moon.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but most most of the time we just gotta let it sit.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love that idea because you know, for so many people outside the music industry, just just trying to do your own thing.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: The beautiful thing about letting it sit while you're doing other things is every time you go for it, like you're getting better.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Every time you bring one of these ideas to the table, you're you're getting faster at decision making, you're getting better at being humble and going to your trusted friend or family member and saying, Hey, what do you think about this?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so that one day your gut is kind of tuned so that when you know that you know that you know that this is the thing, now you don't have to second guess yourself.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: There is a moment for not letting it sit.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: There is a moment for saying, no, no, this is the time and this is the thing, and I'm gonna go for it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: But all of the letting it sit in the in the moment, you know, will let you write that, you know, 20-minute song, so to speak, right when it comes to a business idea or something like that.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a process.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And and you cannot the good thing too is that you can always test it on people, especially like on social media.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, hey, we just wrote this, see if it resonates.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: And like people will usually tell you, like, yeah, this is cool.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or you know, if you don't hear any feedback, then it's probably not a good one.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, no hearts on that one.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a process for sure.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things I think that you talked about, and at least I've extrapolated out is relationships and how important they are, like, you know, not only your relationships, but which I that's probably my first question is kind of how does it work?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you met, you you started like when did you start creating music together when you were dating?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty much immediately.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, before we were dating.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's not accurate.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, yes, it is.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Before we were dating, long before you even met, I was very interested in dating.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was very interested.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: I see.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was a one-sided.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we went, uh, I wrote a song with a buddy because we were at a songwriting school, so we were just doing that all the time.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: We felt so cool and blah, blah, blah.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was just it was silly.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, but you know, it was a great, it was a great environment for us to learn.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: You were at the same school or no?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: We were at the same school in in Memphis.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and I wrote this song, and I I was like, you know what?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know how I'm gonna get her attention.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I asked you to feature on this song.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we did this duet on this song called Chance Like Magic.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Chance like magic was the name of the song.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't, and I can't, I'm you know, it what I I could claim that the credit for that, but it's not even my title idea.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that makes it even more like cool, more cool.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so anyway, you came and sang on that thing, and I remember while you were tracking with the producer in the the little apartment dorm room studio setup, I went outside in the hallway and I called my friend, my best friend from high school and said, Hey man, I just met my wife, I think.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, She's like, dude, I didn't know that.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, dude, you should marry her, bro.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that that happened in that moment.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: That happened in that moment outside the the hallway.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, okay, so yeah, anyway.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was very like that.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure about everything I do in life.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Chance like magic, but I was sure it happened.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: That was literally the lyrics, but I will say, I you know, obviously, the story ends up that we end up together, but when we were dating, we did sit down and talk about our dreams and and what we wanted to do, and they were very much aligned, very much like pretty much the same thing.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Owen to music.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was definitely like a big green light.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: And at first, when we were we first got married, actually, we were both do we were both doing separate things.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was doing an indie rock thing, and I was pursuing Christian music.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: We actually didn't like release suitcase souls music until like 2019.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we were we we had just like we had written all those songs together and we were performing, like doing little cocktail gigs and stuff, but it we weren't really like gun ho about it until we actually moved to Nashville like four years ago and were like, okay, this is this is it.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is your all-in.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is our all-in moment, exactly.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And and a lot of people are like, Well, how does this work?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are you guys good, you know, business-wise together?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because some some couples they don't work well as far as like business stuff together.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we we've actually we've never really been that way, fortunately.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're very like actually good at working together and coming up with different ideas, and so I feel like like there's there's a really good balance here.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Kyle will sometimes be forgetful about lyrics, and I'm like, I'm the lyrics person, like, no, this is what it is.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll have to start singing some of the lyrics for him when it's his because I'm thinking about everything else.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because and it's true, is the guitar player standing right in front of the drummer, oh, and I don't know the words.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, uh, but it's it's really fun though, like it it really is like you get to do it with your best friend, it's very sweet.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so the relationship pieces is a base, then I think for your success, and also kind of being able to get through the ups and downs and the in-betweens.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Would you agree with that?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I would say so.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Marcy's much more of a feeler of the two of us, which is important for me because sometimes I'm just more of like a doer and a planner and a reactor, you know.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you do need to just stop and appreciate where you're at and feel deeply and celebrate, I think the wins.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not super great at celebrating, I'm always kind of thinking of the next thing, next problem to solve, or what could go wrong, you know.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a place I think for hedging, but sometimes you you have to stop and just say, you know what?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're gonna celebrate today and we're gonna we're gonna live in this moment.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be, I'm sure there'll be a planning retreat or something where we can think of everything else.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but for now we're just gonna we're gonna enjoy today.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think we really balance each other out in that way.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Kyle's brain just keeps going and going, and he's planning and he's thinking constantly, and he's a logistics guy too, and detail guy.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, he's always thinking, and yeah, I'm I'm like, well, let this happen.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: We just threw a music festival.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the beach and do nothing.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, so we've it's a little bit harder for him to like not do anything, yeah.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we do balance that out in each other.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, as we close out, I'd love just to hear your thoughts of what you would say to someone who's just on the fence of should I or shouldn't I follow my passion?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: What would you say?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like if someone came up to you and said, you know, I really want to get into music or I really want to start my own business or I want to learn, but man, you know, someone's gonna think I'm crazy, I'm not sure if I'll make money.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Is it is it what I went to school for?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, yeah, those are some of the things that pop into people's heads.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the school thing gets us too.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I I would say, like, yeah, there's gonna be like because Kyle is gonna talk again about like the logistics and planning and everything, you know, because there is portions of that I believe that you you need to have like you need to have your bills paid, you know, while you're living pursuing whatever that is.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my advice to that person is just that you should at least attempt.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: Just start, right?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just start, exactly.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: It can be small, right?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just take a step, do something.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: And if you uh find out that you don't like it, then you don't have to do it, you know?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to force yourself, even if there was, but if there is a spark, if there's something in there, that fire that is just like burning and it will not be put out until you do such and such and such things, you you gotta, you really gotta go for it.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta take a step, you gotta do it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that may that requires a lot of sacrifice.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you just kind of have to know that going into it, that it's gonna require your time, it's gonna require sacrifice.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: You may have to not be with your friends all the time, or or you're gonna have to work harder and and stay up later for things.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna always look like like the rainbows and butterflies that a lot of people see like on Instagram, it's the picture perfect thing.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: People do not see behind this the things, they don't see us the struggles that we have often with this music career.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they exist and it requires sacrifice, but if there is a there is a spark there and you want to light that flame, I say you have to at least do it for yourself and and try it and give it your best shot.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really good.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: I would also say be willing to open your hands when it comes to your identity.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm speaking specifically to the person who went to school for something that you're not passionate about anymore.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I love what you said, Marcy, about like if you don't love something, it doesn't devalidate.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's a word, but it doesn't, it doesn't devalidate the fact that you did love it or that you thought there may be something there.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Never discredit yourself for looking for a spark.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you didn't find one, that's fine.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: There's no shame in the search, right?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: No shame in the search that's really that's really well said.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it is the search that will bring you to the next spark.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's not like it's not like you landed in this pit of despair.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was you and you were learning along the way of the telltale signs for what a spark should should feel like, and more importantly, what it doesn't feel like.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you get there, there's because I'm assuming a lot of your audience, they're going to be competent at multiple things, right?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Which means they're probably great at the job.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're probably great at the job you already have, and you're probably good at two or three other things that actually really excite you.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean that you should feel some kind of obligation that once you go for it, you know, full time with something, that that's it.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: And for the next 30 years, you have to do that and you're just bound to it by contract.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Try things, be willing, you know, be willing to be fluid with your with your personal identity.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you don't have to show up and shake somebody's hand and say, I am a this.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's okay.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: You can say, I'm a I'm a this and I also do this, and I've been trying this.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: That and a this and of that.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a dance, and it's musicians specific very much have to say that.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because someday, you know, you'll find that thing and it won't feel forced.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: You won't feel like you're tricking anybody, or you know, you won't feel that the fear of you know what I'm talking about.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Imposter syndrome?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, exactly.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Imposter syndrome.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so imposter syndrome is like when you don't think you like you belong in the room, and so you either dim your light or you kind of sit back, or you, you know, I don't want to shine because then people will think I'm a bat and I'm really not, or you really are, but you don't want it to come out, you know.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, imposter syndrome.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: The last thing you said, like you really are, but you don't want that to come out.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like this false sense of humility.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so what I would say to people who are considering, like, oh, should I do this or not?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, only you can know, only you can know if you're able to do something super easily that other people are terrified of or that comes difficult to them.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think we were talking yesterday.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: What was it that we said?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, find the thing, find the hardest thing that you can do easier than everybody else.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: And that's probably the thing, you know, as long as There's a spark there, that's probably the thing, is like find that thing that's really difficult.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually kind of even hard for you, but for whatever reason, it doesn't feel like it when you're doing that thing.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I would say, oh, you know, you can only know yourself.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you're probably sitting there listening to this episode right now, and you know what that thing is.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: You have to just do it, like stop waiting for somebody else to say, you know what, you're really good at that thing.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you do need that person, but I would bet that you already know what that thing is.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: So just do it, just do it a hundred percent.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Work harder than anybody else, even though it comes easier to you, and then there's nothing that can stop you.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: And right, and just just play, just have fun, you know, get get back to a place of having fun with it and and just go for it.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, right.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you're waiting for permission, here it is.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: You found it exactly.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is it, go do it.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Kyle and Marcy's sake, go for it, go for it, and don't listen to the naysayers of like, don't quit your nine to five.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I gotta speak, I gotta speak on that.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nine to five can be the best thing for you, like it really can be a tool that helps you have free time on the side to do your thing.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: It can be that safety net.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that this comes back to identity.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, let go of it.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, you're it doesn't make you worse because you're still doing your nine to five.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not quite ready to make the jump, use the nine to five, right?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to be faithful with the time outside, otherwise, it's never gonna happen.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so use that as your safety net, build your thing on the side.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I would add to that is find ways that you can do your craft more hours in your peak hours too.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like your peak hours get that's really good.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, during your good energy hours, yeah.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_03: Because sometimes you do your nine to five, you're like, man, I gotta go do this, and it should never feel like I gotta go, right?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you gotta muster up and get disciplined and intentional about what you're trying to accomplish.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't mean that, but I mean it's don't like put your passion to the in a space where it doesn't get your full self.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like take a day off once a month, take a half day, take two hours a day.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Start small, you know, and that's really important piece there.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think you know, people think it has to be this huge leap or something so right, right.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: I I you know, I don't advise that honestly, because then it might feel uncomfortable or too frightening and might stop you in your tracks.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that's right.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's really good.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you if you're jumping into a very cold pond, like all in, yeah, and then you're like, Well, I've gotta get out now, I'm freezing, rather than like tiptoeing your way in to where you can at least adjust to the temperature.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like you you gotta you gotta just take little do you steps.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: Some people may jump off the dock, you know.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I ended up doing because I had to.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it worked out, but I don't think that's everybody's journey.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, do you it's really important too.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, yep.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's a yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you so much for being on the bold lounge.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: All the information about the new single, their album, where you can find them is below in the episode notes.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for being on the bold lounge.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Lee, thank you so much.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: We've we've really enjoyed it.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Love this conversation.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you for listening to the Bold Lounge podcast.
• 47:20
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• 47:30
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• 47:35
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