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Author Peter Schweizer Discusses 14th Amendment Case · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: It is the second hour The Morning Show with Preston
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  Speaker 2: Scott Show fifty five seventy five. He's ose, I'm Preston
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  Speaker 2: and this is our good friend and he was very
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  Speaker 2: kind to make just a little bit of room for
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  Speaker 2: us this morning. Peter Schweitzer, best selling author and the
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  Speaker 2: latest book is The Invisible Coup. Peter, good morning, Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the show. How are you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to be with you on good Friday. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for having me, Preston, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: Were you paying attention to the arguments before the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court on the fourteenth Amendment this week?
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  Speaker 1: I was. I actually listened to it live online and
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  Speaker 1: it was you know, I think the administration made a
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  Speaker 1: very compelling case on the fourteenth Amendment, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were happy to, you know, played a small role
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  Speaker 1: in that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guessed as much. But to whatever extent you're
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  Speaker 2: willing to share, how much of what you've written about
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  Speaker 2: found its way, in one form or another into the
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  Speaker 2: arguments by Solicitor General John Sowers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there were a couple of data points that he
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  Speaker 1: referenced in his exchange with Chief Justice Roberts conturning birth tourism.
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  Speaker 1: That's this practice where people fly into the country for
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  Speaker 1: the purposes of their child getting US citizenship, and they
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  Speaker 1: fly home and they raise the child overseas, particularly a
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  Speaker 1: problem with China. When the Chief Justice asked the Solicitor
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  Speaker 1: General about that topic, he used two data points. One
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  Speaker 1: the fact that some estimates are that they're between one
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  Speaker 1: and one and a half million Chinese nationals that have
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  Speaker 1: done this over the last fifteen years. And the second
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  Speaker 1: data point is that the Chinese media says that there
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  Speaker 1: are more than five hundred birth tourism companies operating in China,
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  Speaker 1: demonstrating the scale of this problem. Those both came from
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  Speaker 1: the book that I wrote, The Invisible Coup, and as
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  Speaker 1: a bit of background, I'm not speaking out of turn
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  Speaker 1: by saying this before the book was released. The week
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  Speaker 1: before I had the opportunity to meet with the President,
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  Speaker 1: Secretary of State Mark Arrubio and the Treasurer Secretary Scott Bessen,
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  Speaker 1: along with the White House Council to share the findings
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  Speaker 1: with the book. We met for about fifty five minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and when we went over the material on Chinese birth tourism,
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  Speaker 1: the President in particular made note of that us to
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  Speaker 1: the White House General Council and said, let's make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we have that material. So you know, we were
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  Speaker 1: happy to play a small part in that. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: his case, his executive order, I should say, far predates
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  Speaker 1: the book, so I'm not suggesting we were at directly
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  Speaker 1: connected with that, but we were happy to see that
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  Speaker 1: some of the material in the book made its way
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  Speaker 1: into not only the oral arguments, but also the legal
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  Speaker 1: briefs that were filed as well.
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  Speaker 2: Given that you paid attention to listen to the entire argument,
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  Speaker 2: which lasted roughly two hours earlier this week, what is
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  Speaker 2: your takeaway? The mainstream media and even media outlets that
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  Speaker 2: many of us would consider trustworthy, walk away from that,
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  Speaker 2: come away with from that thinking that it doesn't look
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  Speaker 2: good for the executive order to stand the test.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are a couple of things here, Preston,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm our prefaces is always by saying I'm not
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  Speaker 1: an attorney. I'm certainly not a constitutional attorney. But there
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  Speaker 1: are a couple of issues here. Number one, the executive issue,
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  Speaker 1: the executive order itself. Will it stand, won't it stand?
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  Speaker 1: That's the first issue. The second issue is the larger
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  Speaker 1: question of birthright citizenship. The position that the ACLU attorney
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  Speaker 1: took encountering the executive order was that birthright tourism is absolute,
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  Speaker 1: that there can be no restriction on it. You can't
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  Speaker 1: ban this birth tourism. So you can have these companies.
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  Speaker 1: You can have people literally set their toe. A woman
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  Speaker 1: can set her toe across the border, and if she
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  Speaker 1: gives birth, that child gets you as citizenship. Even if
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  Speaker 1: that child is raised in communist China, when they turn eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: they're a citizen. They can vote. I think that the
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  Speaker 1: Court may very well come and say that the executive
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  Speaker 1: order by the President is too broad. Congress needs to
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  Speaker 1: do this. It can't just be executive order. I also
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  Speaker 1: think it's very possible they come back and say, look
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  Speaker 1: that this is not absolute, that Congress can in effect
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  Speaker 1: regulate and trim some of these aspects of birthright citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is that a Justice
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  Speaker 1: Bret Kavanaugh, who's one of those that I think is
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  Speaker 1: probably kind of in the middle on this issue. He's
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  Speaker 1: expressed concerns about the executive order, but he was asking
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  Speaker 1: the ACLU attorney Miss Wang about this, saying, can you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that there's any provisions could be at it.
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  Speaker 1: She said absolutely not, and he seemed quite skeptical of that.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's very possible, as they say that
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  Speaker 1: they kind of split this issue, that it's not a
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  Speaker 1: complete win for the administration, but that the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: sets a very very important precedent that says, no, you
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  Speaker 1: can put limitations on birth right citizenship. It is not absolute.
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  Speaker 2: While there is a wealth of data available to you
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  Speaker 2: and it is all sourced. One of the many beauties
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  Speaker 2: of Peter Schweitzer books is that it is it is
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  Speaker 2: a book that is data driven. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: zero in Peter in our final segment here on chapter
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  Speaker 2: five China the Manchurian Generation, and you lead that particular
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  Speaker 2: chapter off with one particular birth, and I'd like you
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, every New Year's Day we celebrate
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  Speaker 1: the first American that is born. In this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: i'll put American in quotes, because the first American baby
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  Speaker 1: born in twenty twenty five was in fact a Chinese
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  Speaker 1: baby that was from birth tourists from China who traveled
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  Speaker 1: to Saipan, which is a US territory in the Asia
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  Speaker 1: Pacific region. And just like the United states. If the
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  Speaker 1: child is born on a US territory like Saipan, it
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  Speaker 1: is automatically granted citizenship based on the interpretations of the
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  Speaker 1: four Chean's Amendment that have been pushed by the left.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a massive problem in scale. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is the thing that surprised me the most.
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  Speaker 1: The Chinese government has publicly said that every year, roughly
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  Speaker 1: fifty thousand Chinese babies are born in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: These are parents of the elite. They're military officers, they're
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  Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party officials, these are bi large non dissidents.
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  Speaker 1: These are supporters of the regime. They pay eighty to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to a berth tourism company to
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  Speaker 1: arrange to fly their baby to the United States or
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  Speaker 1: a US territory for the sole purpose of getting US
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  Speaker 1: citizenship for their child. That child, when they're raised in China,
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  Speaker 1: that's the entire experience they know as a child. When
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  Speaker 1: they turn eighteen, they're going to be able to vote
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  Speaker 1: in our elections. So the numbers are eye popping. The
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  Speaker 1: Chinese government believes is fitifty thousand a year. I also
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  Speaker 1: cite a professor in Australia Salvador Barbonas, who travels extensively
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  Speaker 1: at China, who study this, he thinks it's larger. He
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  Speaker 1: thinks it's as high as one hundred thousand a year.
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  Speaker 1: And then there is also a Chinese research firm that
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  Speaker 1: estimates in certain years it's even higher. They believe in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, for example, that there were one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty thousand Chinese babies born in the United States. So
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  Speaker 1: it's quite shocking. Our federal government does not track this.
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  Speaker 1: When you get birth in the United States, you get
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  Speaker 1: a birth certificate, it does not you know, describe, and
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  Speaker 1: the federal government does not collect the nationality of the parents.
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  Speaker 1: So we are completely flying blind on this and the
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  Speaker 1: implications in terms of voting and you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: potential foreign adversaries getting government jobs. It's absolutely mind boggling.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think there's any stretch of the imagination
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  Speaker 1: that this is what the authors of the fourteen Amendment
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  Speaker 1: had in mind when they passed the fourteenth Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: They could not have conceived of what we're facing right
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  Speaker 2: now with the threats to this country through China, let
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  Speaker 2: alone Mexico, our southern neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right. And you know, it's interesting when
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  Speaker 1: you listen to the legal scholars on this issue. The
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  Speaker 1: argument that the Trump administration made is they actually went
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  Speaker 1: through and looked at the debate on the passage of
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  Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment, what the purposes of it were, which were,
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  Speaker 1: of course to guarantee the rights the citizenship of the
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  Speaker 1: children of black slaves in the United States. But there
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  Speaker 1: was also a discussion of the eighteen ninety eight case
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  Speaker 1: that is really the only one that has addressed this,
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  Speaker 1: And what scholars point out is that the case actually
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  Speaker 1: supports the administration because it involved a gentleman who was
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  Speaker 1: born in the United States, returned to China as a
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  Speaker 1: young man, then came back to the United States, and
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  Speaker 1: as the administration points out, his parents were legally in
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  Speaker 1: the United States right And in the decision they use
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  Speaker 1: the word domiciled, which has a very specific legal definition
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  Speaker 1: that you are there, and you are there legally with
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  Speaker 1: the approval of the sovereign or of the government. So
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  Speaker 1: I think the legal arguments are are very very compelling
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  Speaker 1: for the administration.
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  Speaker 2: Peters always thank you for making time for us. I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it very very much and have a blessed weekend
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  Speaker 2: for my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, God bless you too.