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Breakfast Club Classic: Jess & Rome Talk 'Til Death Do We Parent,' Co-Parenting, Life’s Struggles & Lessons +More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know every day click yours up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: I'm finished for y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Done more thing.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's j n V. Just hilarious, charlamage the guy. We
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  Speaker 3: are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in
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  Speaker 3: the building.
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  Speaker 1: And first of all, make sure the door is locked.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm glad that her phone is in here because
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  Speaker 4: she can't use her phone to get in the room.
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  Speaker 1: So make sure the door is locked. Correct, just hilarious,
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  Speaker 1: can't get in.
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  Speaker 4: We got our guy Rome room here, who is Justice
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  Speaker 4: Baby's father's dad.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, just put out her new book this week,
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  Speaker 1: Tell Death Do We Parent?
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  Speaker 4: It's available everywhere you buy books now, and it talks
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  Speaker 4: about how they got to a healthy place of co
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  Speaker 4: parenting with each other.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't even talked the wrong. I ain't reach
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  Speaker 1: out to room. I wanted to talk to the wrong,
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  Speaker 1: face to face wrong. What did you think of the book?
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  Speaker 3: Was your first feeling?
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  Speaker 2: Honest? Honest? First Fiel, you read the book first chapter.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like some things wasn't explained the correct way.
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  Speaker 4: We're not supposed to let her in, let her in,
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  Speaker 4: You're supposed to keep her out for a little bit, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let Rome have the floor.
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  Speaker 3: You can sit down, Jess, unless you leave.
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  Speaker 1: You can also leave. Okay, yes, we just asked the
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  Speaker 1: first question.
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  Speaker 3: All right, it's too late.
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  Speaker 2: You got nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It's too late.
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  Speaker 1: Now you think the book to death we paying you
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  Speaker 1: said first chapter, you saying it was cap.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly not even cap. I just think after women read it,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna hate me. And why because of course, you know,
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  Speaker 2: men can't go through that, but when women are going
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  Speaker 2: through like postpartum, those stages and stuff like that, if
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  Speaker 2: you read this the first chapter, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: like I was a dog, Like I did everything doing
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  Speaker 2: those times when I.
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  Speaker 3: Did it, so you you weren't a dog.
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  Speaker 2: No, I feel like she fabricated it far as putting
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  Speaker 2: it too early, it was leap. It was later than that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do any of that doing postpartum. But it
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  Speaker 2: was a dope book, interesting, very transparent to see that
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  Speaker 2: we've grown so much and to share other to share
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  Speaker 2: with other people on you know that cop parents is
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  Speaker 2: not a bad thing. I think that that's that's the
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  Speaker 2: biggest part in the goal that we always talked about,
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  Speaker 2: and that was for years, even when we started co
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  Speaker 2: parents and therapy back in it was COVID, so I
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  Speaker 2: won't say the twenty twenty one when it was shut down.
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  Speaker 4: Man, the book is yeah, see, that's what I got
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  Speaker 4: from the book. That's why I said, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: people will hate you if they read.
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  Speaker 1: Past the first chapter.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because you do get to
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  Speaker 4: the growth and the evolutionary of both of y'all.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, not just not just you,
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  Speaker 1: both of y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And but you got some people who ain't gonna
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  Speaker 2: read through the book. That's all right, right, They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna pinpoint and take out parts, and they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: run with a certain narratives, see the same way they
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  Speaker 2: do clips on Instagram or TikTok, whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: They hate you off of a clip and didn't even
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  Speaker 2: let you aborade or explain yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Actually have to hurt your feelings the most, and don't
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  Speaker 1: lie because I know you're ready. More than one time,
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  Speaker 1: what chapter was it?
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  Speaker 2: None ever really hurt me? Because none never really hurt
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  Speaker 2: me because I'm I'm I own up to what I do.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't never been ashamed of anything, And tell you why,
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  Speaker 2: because I always had a choice I decided to make
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  Speaker 2: those choices. But what was hot woman to me was
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  Speaker 2: that she's able to talk about it now because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times she would never open up about it,
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  Speaker 2: and just to share that light on how much I've
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  Speaker 2: grown as a man and as a father, I just was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a Paul I wasn't I was really, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was. I was just excited, man, I really was excited.
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  Speaker 3: You could tell she has a lot of love for
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  Speaker 3: you regardless and a lot of always there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just excited because if anybody who really know me,
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  Speaker 2: truly and genuely know me, that's my dog.
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  Speaker 3: How did you feel when you know she she recently
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  Speaker 3: exerts came out of the book and she talked about
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily wanting your first child, but wanted to keep
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  Speaker 3: you more than anything, so to make you happy, she
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  Speaker 3: was willing to do anything for you. How did that
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  Speaker 3: make you feel?
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  Speaker 2: I felt in a moment, I don't know. I it
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  Speaker 2: was no feeling. We was kids. Looking back reading it
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  Speaker 2: as a father of five, now, I understand. And I
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  Speaker 2: say that because even when I go back to her
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  Speaker 2: and I'd be like, if you're gonna leave me alone,
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  Speaker 2: don't go get another me. It's one of those things where, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you having a child, make sure that you know
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  Speaker 2: that this is gonna be a family. And I never
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  Speaker 2: wanted a lot of kids. I always wanted a family.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I was emotional, I would say, dumb,
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  Speaker 2: not thinking vulnerable in those moments, even as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: But I think, I don't know, I think it just
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  Speaker 2: shaped her to be the wife that she is now.
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  Speaker 3: You look back at it and say, I messed this
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  Speaker 3: family up because she talks about she thought that y'all
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  Speaker 3: had a perfect family. Y'all were taking pictures, and y'all
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  Speaker 3: were doing things as a family and a couple. You know,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden she got a comment that says
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  Speaker 3: room but here with you. But he played a house
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  Speaker 3: in this other house, and matter of fact, he got
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  Speaker 3: a baby coming. Did you ever look back that and
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  Speaker 3: be like, damn, I f that up.
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  Speaker 2: I look back sometimes and say I wish I'd have
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  Speaker 2: did things different. I ain't never gonna say I wish
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  Speaker 2: I fucked it up, because who knows. If I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have deal what I did, then we still would have
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  Speaker 2: been together. Because it goes both ways, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that I've done. It was out of reactions.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's three sides of every story, their side,
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  Speaker 2: your side, and the truth.
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  Speaker 5: Me.
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  Speaker 2: I just wasn't that heartless to just go out and
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  Speaker 2: do these things I didn't even have access to. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why we're gonna dive. We're gonna dive deeper into
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  Speaker 2: those things. But I wouldn't say I fucked up. I
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  Speaker 2: would say I just wish I'd did things different, just
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  Speaker 2: to give just to give us a chance, because I
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  Speaker 2: never even gave us a chance.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question and just a great framing of it.
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  Speaker 4: Like if there were no kid involved, right, if there
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  Speaker 4: was no action, would y'all still choose each other?
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  Speaker 2: You think at that moment, No, because Ashon was the glud.
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  Speaker 2: Ash was the one that kept it around and me,
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  Speaker 2: I'm low tolerance. And Jessica speaks on that, she'll speak
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  Speaker 2: again on it. We spoke on that on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: When women don't do and it might sound controlling, it
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  Speaker 2: might sound like I'm a narcissism, you know, at that moment,
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  Speaker 2: not now, because I'm a change man. You know, at
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  Speaker 2: that moment, it may sound like I'm being controlling. But
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  Speaker 2: I felt like at the time younger days. If women
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in my if they want in compliance, it want
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  Speaker 2: no benefit to me.
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  Speaker 1: So just just walk back in the room. I want
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  Speaker 1: to want to expound on the question. I just asked you.
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  Speaker 4: What was it about just that would make you not
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  Speaker 4: want to be with her? If there was no ask
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  Speaker 4: because he said he wouldn't do what you'd do.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that at that moment? At that like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna repeat it, at that moment, we were children,
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  Speaker 2: so it wasn't really it wasn't really nothing to be
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  Speaker 2: with our own, especially after all the things I did.
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  Speaker 2: And I say that to say that at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you know a lot of men live with
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  Speaker 2: women for conveniency and stuff like that. I didn't need
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  Speaker 2: any of that. I'm living at home with stepmam. So
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  Speaker 2: if it's no child, we'd have went out separate ways
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  Speaker 2: because it was easy to go separate ways with no tie.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy to go separate ways when you're not married, right,
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  Speaker 2: marriage and children is the tie on? Okay, let's see,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't really want to start over, like it's
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  Speaker 2: hard starting over and not even hard, it's just too
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  Speaker 2: much timing. You gotta religne a person and then you
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  Speaker 2: don't even know if that person gonna be the person
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  Speaker 2: for you, So it takes time.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you said it was reactional, the fact that you
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  Speaker 3: know you cheated. Was it reactionable because you didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to be in a family at the time, or you
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to be tied down? Or what's her?
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  Speaker 1: This was?
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  Speaker 3: You know what was reactional?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: Just this ship?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now let's get to her.
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  Speaker 2: Just just just just did things, and it's something's some
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  Speaker 2: things I said I would never speak on. I'm taking
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  Speaker 2: that to the grade with me because, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you believe that it might not be yours
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  Speaker 1: at one point.
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  Speaker 2: No, I never I never believe that I've seen him.
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  Speaker 2: He was mind through the song ground at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: At the moment, I never really even believed it. It
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  Speaker 2: was more so I was upset because of the heat
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  Speaker 2: of the moment.
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  Speaker 1: But you just said that, okay, okay, she said emotional. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I told him that might not be his.
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  Speaker 2: But she and she, she and I read that four
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  Speaker 2: or five times again on the train to day that particular.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 2: But no, how did you feelhen She said that, of
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  Speaker 2: course you knows the man you're in the moment. Oh
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  Speaker 2: in mind you you shain't in my face, so I
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  Speaker 2: think it'll win different And she was in my face
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  Speaker 2: shit like that.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I never thought Ashen wasn't mine. I just
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  Speaker 2: think she, of all people at that moment, even now,
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  Speaker 2: know how to get under my skin. There's only two
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  Speaker 2: things that really bothered me, my children, in my mom
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  Speaker 2: It ain't really nothing else you can really say to
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  Speaker 2: me that would really move me.
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  Speaker 3: Why didn't you fight for the relationship after you know,
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  Speaker 3: jess was like it's over. You know you had another
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  Speaker 3: baby on the way. Why didn't you fight for That's
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  Speaker 3: clear that up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it was over before I had a baby on
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  Speaker 2: the way, Jessica, that I know.
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  Speaker 5: Ron. I just was trying to like be with you
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  Speaker 5: and give my family like because that's what I wanted ultimately.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted that family dynamic. I wanted to grow up.
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  Speaker 5: I want to ask to grow up in the house
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  Speaker 5: with me and you together, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, it was over.
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  Speaker 2: I had mentally checked out. You was like moved like
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  Speaker 2: you had moved on and.
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  Speaker 5: Everything, but like you was still so fish because I
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  Speaker 5: couldn't be with nobody you didn't want me, but I
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  Speaker 5: couldn't be with nobody else.
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  Speaker 2: No, we cleaned it up because in the book it
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  Speaker 2: makes it seem like I had a baby on you.
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  Speaker 2: Well you were dealing with and it's three number two
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  Speaker 2: and it's fourteen is eleven? Yeah, when did we split?
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  Speaker 5: When he was like about yeah we split, we split
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  Speaker 5: once and yeah yeah yeah, but I took you back.
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  Speaker 2: I got back with you. Remember when I met Yo. Correct,
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  Speaker 2: you know I can't say his real name, but when
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  Speaker 2: I met Man.
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  Speaker 1: You was.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was about to say his real name.
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  Speaker 3: Why did you fight for it? Why didn't you fight
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  Speaker 3: for that family back? If that's what you wanted, If
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  Speaker 3: that's what Ashton meant to you, why wouldn't you say
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna cut the BS out and
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna fight.
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  Speaker 1: For my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Just music, oh, because the music. I used music a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It's a therapy for me.
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  Speaker 3: It was influence spot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's one it's one person.
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  Speaker 6: No, no you talking about Webby no Boothy? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: One thing he said and you can you can curse
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  Speaker 2: and say it. One thing he said was a nigga
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  Speaker 2: can do a thousand and one things once the girl
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  Speaker 2: that one person, we can't take it. M so at
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  Speaker 2: that moment, and then even at that time, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: still it's pear of pressure people around you. Oh and
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  Speaker 2: then at that time I really cared about what my
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  Speaker 2: friends start, so it was BC and then it was
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  Speaker 2: like a manhood and you know, like my father ain't
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  Speaker 2: really say too much negative, but you know, he said
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  Speaker 2: the things he said. But you know, I think I
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  Speaker 2: was more so heartbroken because of you know, certain things
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  Speaker 2: that she did do with the manual, not even just
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  Speaker 2: in mine. You know, bo you might you might as
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  Speaker 2: well if I see you texting five or six men,
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  Speaker 2: you might as well and sucked all because in my
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  Speaker 2: mind you did you had when I'm no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not making a scene like that. What I'm making this
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  Speaker 2: scene like is if you even if I see you
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  Speaker 2: texting him talking to over, you might, as on his mind,
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  Speaker 2: my mind, you have sex with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a double standing because you was doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Even if.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, even if you didn't have sex with him, like
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  Speaker 6: have sex.
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  Speaker 5: Even if I'm just talking to somebody and he go
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  Speaker 5: on my phone and he said, oh he looking over
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  Speaker 5: and I'm texting him because you know, I was going
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  Speaker 5: pretty hard, you know what I mean. But like he
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  Speaker 5: would look over and see he already just assumed, like,
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  Speaker 5: oh yeah, I you got balls enough to sit right
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  Speaker 5: here and text a nigga right in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: You're sleeping with him.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like Rome overthinks, like he creates these scenarios
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  Speaker 5: in his mind, and he overthinks, and he thinks himself
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  Speaker 5: out of the relationships.
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  Speaker 1: He's not wrong for that, even though we shouldn't. He's
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  Speaker 1: not right.
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  Speaker 2: But when I'm right, I'm right. When I'm wrong, I
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  Speaker 2: could have been right. But when I'm right, I was wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I wasn't wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, you know you you did some things
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  Speaker 2: to me too, Yeah I believe.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, let's all right, that's fine, and I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Take you did a lot of things in me. I
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  Speaker 2: done pulled up on Dressica a couple of times in
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  Speaker 2: her neighborhood. And then that's one thing too. I don't
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  Speaker 2: like you ignore my phone calls. Control don't ignore my
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  Speaker 2: phone calls, and then don't hang up on me when
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain because you're not let me get
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  Speaker 2: my point across, because then that means you don't care
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  Speaker 2: about how I feel. And that's one thing about the society.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares about how men actually feel. And then when
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  Speaker 2: men try to open up, and I looked at it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's on the same track that Michael Beasley and
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  Speaker 2: Shannon Shock, I felt a lot of things Michael Beezy
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  Speaker 2: said when a man tried to open up, your laugh
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  Speaker 2: at me until it's too late. I'm just he was
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  Speaker 2: able to get the help he needed to to be
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  Speaker 2: able to tell his story. But it's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: other men who are shamed to do it. But this book,
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  Speaker 2: and that ties everything to this book. This book is
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  Speaker 2: a great book because his father's out there. It's hopeless
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  Speaker 2: because you got a lot of types of dead beats.
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  Speaker 2: You got did beats who they don't do something to
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  Speaker 2: baby mother, say that did beat. Yeah, dibbies who just
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  Speaker 2: actually don't give a fuck. You got dibbies who said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: don't get the don't don't have that child, and then
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  Speaker 2: you still have the child. It's so many different ones.
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  Speaker 2: But for the men who actually want to be in
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  Speaker 2: their father's life and they kids. I'm sorry for the
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  Speaker 2: men who actually want to be in their kids life.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why women don't want to allow.
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  Speaker 4: That that they didn't stay there for a second because
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  Speaker 4: I asked, I said, wrong, if you had a title
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  Speaker 4: for your book, what would be called?
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: You had a very interesting title. The second one.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you something with the second one.
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  Speaker 2: Let the father be your father, not when it's convenient
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  Speaker 2: for you.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's not when it's convenient for you, is what
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  Speaker 4: got me. Do you feel like she only wanted you
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  Speaker 4: to be a father when it was convenient for her?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, not no.
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  Speaker 2: Not with her, I got a lot of of course
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  Speaker 2: you knew I got a line, But no, with me
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  Speaker 2: and Jessica, it was never about don't understand that. This
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  Speaker 2: was before the dis That's why it's most genuine, because
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  Speaker 2: she didn't keep a child because of a status or
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  Speaker 2: some some money or whatever the case may be. We
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  Speaker 2: just was honestly thought we was in love. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I grew up, I didn't grow up on spend
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: your Hot Blocks and that type of music. I grew
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: up on Bow Wow and Little Romeo and Sammy, so
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: like it was, it was love music, and you just
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I always just wanted those fairy tales. Like my favorite
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: show growing up was Sweet Life in Zach and Cody
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: because of the family dynamic. So it's like for a
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: young man or want that, and then you see my
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: life didn't get that. That's one of the things I'd
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: be like, Damn. I don't say I fucked up, but
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, why why I couldn't get those cards?
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And I used to always a lot of my friends.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I used to be jealous of my friends growing up.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: They had a mom and dad and I didn't. And
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: I told him, bro, like I don't like you. I
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: love you, but I don't like you my friends because
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: they had they had what I wanted. And then I
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: just used to see how they just never appreciated they mom.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Was a co parenting way that your co parent Now
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: was that always there or that had to get there?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Like at first was just not letting you see your
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: son or you didn't want to see your beau? How
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: did it originally start?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: So it was always co parenting. It's just I was
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: co parenting with my mother with my mother, Yeah, with
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Mama arriving.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Because just didn't want to see you because Jess was Ess.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to see you. Why did she had
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to see me because she was living at the daycare,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: so she was going to see me. But it's never
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: been a point where I couldn't see my son or
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: he's keeping away from me because she she has that
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: family dynamic. Who this ain't that?
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: And why just why didn't you? Because most people would
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: have been like, he did me dirty, he cheated on me,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: he did all these things. I'm gonna use my son
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to hurt him. A lot of people do that. We
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: see that a lot of relationships. Why wasn't your mind
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: for maps heard as you couldn't?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I just yeah, I just couldn't do it.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: I gave Rome a lot of grace because you know
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: I was doing my my is too, But you know
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: it's not about who, well actually it was, it was
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: about who started it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But whatever.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: But once we started going back and forth trying to
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: hurt each other and trying to make each other feel
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: the pain that each one of us felt, I got
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: I got tired of that, and once I wanted to
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: sit down with Rome and just put everything on the table, like, yo,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: are you you that'st admit everything things that I did
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: that I was lying to him about. He admitted things
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: to me. Well, he explained things to me, because that's
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: the thing Rome never really told me. Every day I
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: will find out and I'm going I'm coming to him, like, yo,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: this is what happened.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: Ai Ai was not we It wasn't.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Even that our favorite tips back then. So no, but
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I was able to give him a lot of grace.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: And then also like Kitch trauma, he went through a
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: lot when he was younger, and I realize them, like, yo,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: I'm a lot more mature to see that. And and
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: my mother always instilled that in me. Give a person grace.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Everybody comes from different walks of life. You don't know
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: what he's gone through, and it's hard to operate in
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: this world without a mother, you know, and then with
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: an absent father, you know, father who you see, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: he not really there is no really is no real bond.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: So I felt the need to be more of a
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: friend and a confidante, you know, because I think I
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: was like the only one that you can open up
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: to about a lot of things that happened in your childhood,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: A lot of things that you know you didn't that
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: you that you didn't get as a kid.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: After your mom's passing. So I think that's what it was.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: She said, because you talk about being vulnerable, did she
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: ever use it?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what I was going to say next. But
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the big umbrella of everything she's saying a mother, because
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: she wouldn't allow it. You have women, you have men,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: you have human beings itself who when shit don't go
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: their way, they got enablers around them telling them that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. When her mother. I loved her
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: mother so much in minds me, her mother used to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: go through hell and high water because I was always rebellious,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and then as I got a certain age, I'm already
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: defensive because of what my dad did. So you can't
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: tell me, but I had to take myself step back.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: She's not trying to hurt you. Wrong, h And yeah
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: she she just you wrong, wrong, You're wrong. So it
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't no, oh that's my daughter. I'm gonna take her
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: side right because it was. It was honestly, like I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: think because the cole parenting itself, it got it was.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad, but it got great after a while.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: It didn't just happened overnight. It really started happening when
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I took my feelings out of it, like I stayed
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: in the past, like when that, when that that narrative, Oh,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want this nigga around my kid. I don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: want this. I don't want that. I allowed it to happen, though,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: because when I decided to hurt that woman or not
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: want to be with that woman, that opens up the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: door so she can have whoever the she want to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: have around that child.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So the logical part that I went with was, okay,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just longest ain't trying to hurt my kid. I'm okay,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and I respect my child mom enough and I trust
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: them enough and even now all of them to not
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: allow that to happen.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I want, I want to ask you something wrong because
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: you said what you wanted growing up with the two
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: parent household. Yeah, And a lot of people would say,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: how can somebody with that mindset end up with five
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: baby mothers because it's impossible to give those kids what
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: you wanted, correct, So why would you create the same.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Type of So let me let me elaborate and piggyback.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So I never really that two point household now is new.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I never really cared for a two point household. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: just wanted my mother got you hm, so mind you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I was fine with going with my dad on the weekends,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: going back to my mother until that last weekend and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: get to go back to my mom. So the two
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: parent household dynamic come from, like I said, shows and
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and reality and the stigma that society
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: put on you. Oh it's supposed to be like this
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: when two point household produced some of the most fucked
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: upiest people in the world.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But you are not a fucked up person.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Now your brother with high emotional intelligence. So clearly I
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: know you wanted to be better than your Yeah, correct.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And like I said, I may, I may, I may.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I made decisions. A lot of decisions I made was
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: out of vulnerability. A lot of decisions I made was
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: out of hurt, you know. And I'm not ashamed to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: say that. People like, oh, oh, whatever, that's me.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Can I ask you and you just tell me if
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: you agree that. I feel like you were looking for
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: maybe your mom and these women. And that's why, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: because you had lost at a very young age, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: that nurturing and that you know, all that nurturing and
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: affection stopped at a very early age, and you went
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: from that household. That's all you knew, love and positivity
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: and just you know, all of that to a very
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: different type of household. You know, it wasn't much affection,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: It wasn't nurturing. And I feel like that actually shaped
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: how you looking women in my relationships. Yeah, like it
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: affected your love life in a way.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with that. We're going to be very transparent.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I never looked in my I never looked for women,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and I never looked for my mother and women. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: did look for the love and affection, right, Why I
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: never looked in I never looked for my mother and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: women because I'm put on tape. My mother wasn't a
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: saint mother di shit like you know, like, but who
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: she was to you, who she was to me was
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: she was great. But it was like once she left,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: it was just that that affection that loved, that holding
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a person. Because I used to hold my mother every night.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Shit put me out every night I used to hold her.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It really didn't affect me until I got older and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: started dealing with women. Because why I'm going through school,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm always busy. Maybe that's why it didn't affect me.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'm grades baseball, basketball. I really had no downtown to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: really think about it. I know my mom and at
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the like probably like thirteen, I'm you know, I'm washing cars.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That's what That's what my mother love cause, so that's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: where I get that from. So it's like I don't
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: think that it. I never really said, oh I want
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you my mother and this woman because my mother ain't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: know how to cook cleaned up.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But you know you have five baby moms, right and
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: of course just had relationships before she recently recently got married.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: How did you co parent in that situation?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Because asking to be at his house, he has women there,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you know, or you know, just man have a guy, Like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: how did y'all it's crazy that you just.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Cut that man off talking about his mom.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's it's gonna come back now. So I can't
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: see where you're going at.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Go ahead forget. So I'm asking, so how did you
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: deal with that? Because that's what you've seen with your life?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So how did I see with my son there with
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: her and her man? Like, how do we co parent?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Like? How did you you know, like we're speaking.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: On this speaking on the husband now before the husband
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: before diferent my relationships.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: And ashe will be home with me. But then he
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: come on, Yeah, like, how was the co parents and
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: relationship between you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And I when that was going on schedule? You had
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: girlfriends and I ain't gonna hold you. That took my
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: feelings out of it. A couple of men that one two,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: one and a half you literally only liked one and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a half. I ain't like the our one, but you
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: didn't like him first I didn't, but we're going yeah, yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: one and a half because what half be half? I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: didn't really cared for him, but he loved her, so
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: he loved my he loved my son. So like I said,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: it's times where Rome just taking taken to the house
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when they them two was you know, in one household
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and I would drop them off problems or none of that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: So that that was it. That was the only transaction
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: for us that really wasn't us how by whatever, nothing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I ain't really care for him because of what he
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: was saying to the other women who was coming to me.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense, I'm still I'm confused.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Break it down a little bit.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, So he wasn't a sane in this that in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that relationship neither, okay, And we then came across a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: couple of the same women. I ain't disclosing anything.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: But did you ever tell just that, like, it's not my.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Business she figured wrong, was not your business.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It's not what your son did.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That's my sun. But they wasn't in the household. He
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was doing what he did on his free time when
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: he was doing How I know that because my son
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: was with me majority of the time when he's doing
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it on his free time. Well, cheater was supported cheater anyway,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not supporting the cheater. You chose him, and that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: on you. I didn't know he was cheating. Well I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: didn't either. I didn't either, but it was no problem
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: after the real.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Quick Yeah, you said there was no problem to answer
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: this question, but he was saying something earlier when I
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: came in and he was asking you, did I did
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I ever use like anything against you, like as far
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: as your mind.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: No, No, So I have not done that. It was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: more comfortable with talking to her about it because she
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: never used it against me. Got you, But of course
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I deal with that every day, Like I think.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: The worst that my child mom has said to me
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was kill yourself and lay next to your mother.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Wow. Mm hmm. That's that's that's beyond ports.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But then call me and asking for a hot shot
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the next day. Mm hmmm, and I did it? Mmm?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Have you have you ever? Have you ever gone to?
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Like a therapist is somebody to talk about, like the
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: clear mother wound that you have, you know, the mother.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I talked to the actually was consistent until I felt
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: like I ain't. I never needed no more, but it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: was consistent. The therapist that you gave to me a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, I was using him and it
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: just was over the phone. I don't really need to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: face the face. It just be just listening. You listen
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: to me and then you give me everything you can
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to just help me. Like so that that therapist. Yet,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: So that's why I always even it be Sometimes I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: might text you like piece of Blessings can be cause
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I got that from you to Peace and Blessing spot.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah I did. And why do you feel like
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you can't go in person? I ain't saying I can't.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I just I ain't saying I can't. I just saying
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: that it probably is. But it's just like I don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: feel like I would need to to go in person,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like even now We're in the world now where everything
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: is virtual and a lot of things are virtual and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: So but sometimes that's not the best because there's that
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: that human connection. You can't get that through a screen
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: all the time, you know what I mean. The atmosphere
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: is different than an actual therapist's office now if you
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: need to, if you want a roll on the go
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: all the time. I do understand that, but I think
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: that you would truly benefit from person that whole atmosphere,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: like a different atmosphere, a different environment where you can
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: feel safe enough to open up about things because you
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: probably things that you probably haven't even confronted.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You know, you never know, like the trauma a lot.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: It could be other traumas that stemmed from you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: before Keisha, before your mind passed. You know, it could
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: be things that you didn't deal with or you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: you don't know about until it's activated. So the trauma
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: is like activating you gotta face it, you know what
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I never had the language to explain you and justice energy,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: but I feel like I have it now. Like when
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I see just with you, she's literally trying to heal
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that mother womb, not by trying to be your mother
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: in anyway. But I I the way she talks to you,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the concerns she has for you. I'm sure that the
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: deep conversations y'all have. I constantly see her trying to
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: put neo's boring and you know all of the things
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that help treat that mother womb that exists in you.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: And it makes sense when you're telling me that you
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: have had other baby mothers with poor.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: So they use it against you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she just keep me mellow. If y'all knowiced I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: more relaxed. I'm always on the uppity because I'm always
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in defense mode. Yeah, It's like I'm always trying to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: prove myself and that's why a lot of times you
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: stress yourself out.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: But how did it affect you when she got married?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Because they said there was boundaries. And the reason I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: asked is, if I'm marrying somebody, I know y'all might
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: have a relationship, and I know y'all might be tight,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: but you kind of got to find your own personally
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: on because that's mine, you know what I mean, That's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that's my wife, now, you know what I mean. But
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: y'all was so tight for so long? How did those
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: new boundaries affect co parenting and your relationship.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because somebody had to build the wall.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It ain't affect nothing. Guess what it wasn't. It wasn't
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the wall built a man. So when she leap and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in mind I need to step by step. But and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it wasn't even o wrong. I want you to meet Chris.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: It's just a genuine and it wasn't no wall, my man,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I always have respect. How did I deal with uh
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: not being around them more or talking to its best friend?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Y'all?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: But I never thought about that because you're selfish if
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you don't want your best friend or you're the person
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: that you love to be happy. So if this is
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: what makes her happy, Okay, I got one child, mom
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that's happy.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: One found the Russell Wilson.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: This is what you used to say, get in the future.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you wanted somebody. You wanted her to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: get somebody better.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I want her to get a Russell Wilson.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you. That's a good that's a good segue,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and it is.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: What's one thing just I don't want to say exposed,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: but said about you in the book that made you
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: say damn.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was that toxic.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Mhm mm hmmmm. Definitely think about it. The baby, my
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: son first birthday.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: M hmm.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: That's one but a lot of them. When she stated
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that sounds like I did it. I don't remember that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: part though, but she said I bought the girl in
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the birthday party. Mm hmm. How friends made the girl
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: leave or whatever the case may.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Be, you brought your new chick to yourself, just asked him.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I want to be I want to be clear explaining
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Listen explained all that she was like. At that time,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: toxic wasn't thrown around, so I ain't looking at it
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: as toxic now. It's always just got my way. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that son ship. If you're saying how that made me feel,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I said, I and the crazy party is. I didn't
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: even tell a DJ to play that song. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: my brother somebody what song was it was? I think
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: it was Yeah, But I'm telling you, oh, yeah, no,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think I think my brother. I not that
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: time because I came late on purpose because I wanted
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: to make a drank grand interest. Yeah at this time,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: action one, I'm only twenty. I'll just imagine I've been
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: so the song was a homie was wrong with you?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: That bitch don't belong to you?
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, see him five or see him four.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: One of them four m three or see him four.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: She threw my shot out the window. I mean I
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: think I told you that before she did the window.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: But you walk in the party. But late we were
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: supposed to sugar together.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Were all white with.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she forgot to leave out the book that she
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: inserted herself and me and my son pictures. What are
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you talking about? When we took baby pictures me and him,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I inserted myself. Yeah, you weren't supposed to be with us.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Damn Wow.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: That's how I knew that it wasn't it was over
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: because when I schedule for them pictures, Uh yeah, me
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't together.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I was trying to force the relationship wrong. I really
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: really wanted to give my give our son that family dynamic.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Like I tell the truth about it, I take accountability,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: like I was really trying to.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: You don't want to really hurt me. You didn't want
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to really.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Hurt because he goes because he don't want to admit
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: like you're talking about. Hell, remember, and it didn't happen
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: like that. Shorty came in listen and this was the
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: time when love and hip hop was hot. He thought
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: he was Stevie Jay.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: He thought he had walked in with Joscelyn HERNANDEZK.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And I never walk in with a woman who was
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: illiterates liked because that is my friend. Let me take
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that back. That's my girl, and let me take that back.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: That's not what I mean.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh my god.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: So yeah, he walks in with the girl.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: You can obviously see she don't really know she know
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: what she at but she didn't really like understand until
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: she got in there, like.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, English, this is his kid whatever?
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: This is this this is his kid's first birthday party.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: And everybody's looking at me like I'm not supposed to
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: be here. He told her that I was gonna that
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: we were broken up and I was gonna have my
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: boyfriend there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: You was just my boyfriend.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Stupid he Why would you tell her that? And he
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: come in there, he got a chaise on, he dressed
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: just like our son or whatever. He walks off, leave
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: her right there in the middle of the party. So
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: now me and my friends were my friends because I'm
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not about to walk up to a
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: fighter like my friends are, like, Yo, let's get this
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: bitch out of here.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Instantly my father grabbed me like, come on, come on,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: let let me talk to you. Let me talk to you,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: and he had told my father, Yo, mister Kevin, she
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: told me that Ashton wasn't mine. So so my father
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: understood like, wow, okay, you don't do this, but damn
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I do get it. I don't know why she would
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: tell you that. So it was that was his reaction
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: to me saying that. But it was like, Yo, you
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: can't look at this little boy and say that he's
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: not yours. Obviously, I was trying to press the button.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I shouldn't upset it. I apologize for it, and I
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: encourage women to never do that, you know what I mean.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: But I encourage men to never show up to a
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: baby shower or a first birthday party with a whole
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: nother girl unless you with that girl and you're not
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: with your baby.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Because you heard.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: How can you control how somebody reacted you?
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: You are so right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: You could have got that girl's ass was like.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: English.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: She was bad too. You can tell she didn't even
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: know what was going on, you.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Paid for the company. That was your girl?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Man, that wasn't this girl?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Ain't you saying after that why she didn't speak English? Still,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: so both of y'all got a thing for Latino.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, where I don't know where he got
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: her from whatever, But like that was a big statement.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: That was a big statement on his end, you know.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And I've always been a troll, right because yeah, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: always been a troll because it was going to hurt
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: her more if I did it publicly like that, opposed
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to her telling me what my son solidly, because you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: told me soldly. But it hurt me big, so you okay,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I set that up too.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I said it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I said it a real nice home run. But looking back,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I wish I wouldn't have did it, because I didn't.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I never meant to humiliate her. But this is the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: thing that I tell people all the time. It's so
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: easy to co parent when you keep your family and
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: your friends out of shit. I've never had that problem
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: on my end. My people are not saying I control them.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: My people in compliance, you overstep that boundary, you're cut off.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I ain't married, but that's how I carry things. Because
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we said last time when I was here. You can
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: say what you want about this person, I'm still gonna
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: be with them. M hmm. Sometimes that messes up relationships
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: because you can still love this person and be with
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: this person, but yet you don't want to be around
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: this person family because you know that they don't like you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I can't sit and fake I love you. If I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: don't want to be ring your family, I'm not going.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So that means no functions. I don't want them at
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: none of l functions. So what does that leave us?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to make a decision what you had
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to choose to. Don't choose me.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: But where is the compromise though, because if you love
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: that person, then you with you love that person.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: The compromising is I'm compromising for you, but that family
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: don't want that family ain't compromising. They're not compromising for
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the person that they love.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But this not it is.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But guess what the ultimate qu You will go to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this wedding or you will go to this cookout?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like that's fake, and that's fake. You
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: can't relate because we never had that Well, I've never
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: been in that situation either, No, we haven't. We haven't.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: But I've been in situation like that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But so you can't relate to me because me and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you haven't been in that relationship, that that type of environment,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: because it was always more of a a family narrative.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: So even when we was beefing in those times, like
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: we still was a family. Like I didn't really just
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: push you to the curve because we still was a family.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of this is gonna get conflated
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: when people are watching it only because a.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Lot of this, ain't you in jest? Yeah, you and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: your other correct baby mother?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Correct? And it's it's the co parting part about that
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: is it's times that I don't even want to talk.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Then I tell how to go talk to him the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: other baby mamas, what right, man? Just gonna help me
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: get a child's port, I went back on, but get
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: our child support? I tell her what I tell her.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I say, I said, witch, fuck you, I don't want
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to talk to you, and walked off. If she go
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: no wrong, no wrong, no wrong, I'm like, I don't
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: want to talk to her, she don't want to talk.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It's okay, let it go. M But you know it
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: was you know, it's a beneficial right, And I think, man,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: if more men had child mom like this one, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: think the world will be better because when you're not together,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and that's the biggest problem. When you're not together, everybody
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: want to be just controlling or better. Why, if you
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: really loved that child, you would the best interest. The
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: best interest is not just for the father to just
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: pay for shit. The best interest is for the father
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to be around the child. Allowed that man to love
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: his kid, allow that man to take kid his kid.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest things I don't like today is
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: people calling dad's weekend dads just come. Mother helped me
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: understand that. Okay, if the child live with his mom
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: money through Friday and you working money through Friday and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you get them on Saturday and Sunday, which my mom
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: did that with me and my dad, that's your time
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: your dad, like this weekend dad is during the week
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: that okay, you want then then here's a contradiction here,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: weekend dad, but yet you want full custody, or you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: want the full time, or you want the benefits of
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: being a full time mom. Okay, So if you want
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: you want to benefits of being a full time an,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I will take on the benefits of being a full
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: time It just makes no sense to me, like, how, oh,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I'll never get my kid up, But yet you complain
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: about the dad getting a child Friday through Sunday or Monday.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: You're picking a child. You're picking a child up from
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: school or daycare Friday, and if you want to be
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: technically honest, the dad spend more time with the child
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: on Saturday and Sunday because the child's are in school,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: going a week with daycare. And by time you get
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: off working and getting from school daycare, what you do
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: you getting ready for the next day where the dad's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: on a Friday night, we can have fun. They gonna
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: be on the phone all night, be on an iPad,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: go to sleep. Whenever Saturday we go to Themorrow, we
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: go shop, we go wherever you want. Sunday we probably
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: relax or not, or we do what we do. Then
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Monday is back to business. So it's like, I just
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: don't don't I don't get all of that. Man, It's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: just so much. Man, I feel like the dad is
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: just father. We go through hell and high water.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Jess, what did you mean when you said and I
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: saw you say this on tearing it in of course
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I read in the book when you talk about having
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: a deep program and reprogram as after spending the weekends.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so when he goes to rome house because we
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: had we had Yeah, we had two different co parenting vibes, right,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: two different co parents and styles.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I am the Rome is the lenient parent. I'm the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I'm strict, I have rules, I have structure.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying there's no structure, but there is definitely
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: a lot more rules and discipline.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: In my house on the week.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: On the weekend.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, he kind of lets, you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: ask just be and just do whatever he wants to.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Let him stay up all night, you know, just talk
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: on the phone or night. He's on the internet all day.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I don't really like that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: So when he comes back home with me, he's on
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: the phone, he's nonchalant, he's I'm asking him to do something.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: I gotta tell him more than once, and I'm like, Okay,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: you were just there for three days.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: You gotta get it together.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Because the things that you do at Dad's house you
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: can't do here, you know what I mean, Like when
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: when you get up and get out of got when
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: you get up and get out of your bed.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And make it up.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: You got your own bathroom, got your own balcon you
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: got a big space in this house.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You need to clean it up, you know what I mean?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Like I just make him do certain things.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: And that's the the dprogramming, reprogram having to remind him
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: where he.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: At in which house he in.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I just think that's just mom and dad, right, and
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: it's good. It's the house is going to do a child.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: A child is going to do what they do with
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: their mom, and they gonna do what they do with
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: their dad. But father's not not you, Jessica. So I'm
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: speaking general when I'm saying this, but as father's we
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: always you go with your mom. Need to do this,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: respect your marvel. I tell my son Christian had to
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: take that trash out. You are too in mind you
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and I don't even have to text hell when it
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: comes to him and him to deprogram to brief about
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: what Ashley are the best things of him. If we
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: need mom and she coming other than that she stay
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: ass all our business and that's that. But like it's
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's it's never.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Right man.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: The weekends is fun. Man, Like I understand as a child, man,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you're going to school. My son got. My son got
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a full point two. That's hard maintain in the life.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: He living full point two like my son has never
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: made honorall. It's principal's honorable, principal's list, the principal's list. Yeah,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and get it honest. You know it's dad is You
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: know the man that is. I graduated saludatoria eighth grade
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: at the ninety nine average September cent at Unbell High
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: School at ranking number seven, and I graduated with three
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: point five from college. It's it's distance stone that my
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: son gets. His brain's not saying his mother is not smart.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: I graduated the three point nine from a college preparatory
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: school and Yells Town, Pensylvania Place.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Don't talk that too, don't play with me. I ranked
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: number seven Toptember cent. Only people that beat me was
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: all nerds.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: What was what was the most difficult thing when it
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: came to ash Like, what was the one thing that
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: your guys kept bumping heads or y'all couldn't agree on
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: when it came to co parenting.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I want to go first.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: When he was younger, you wouldn't send back the clothes
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: that I bought When I was sending him with you,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: and you would go on Instagram you would posted like, yeah,
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I got myself, I took you, I bought it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? I never took your clothes? Always
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: had his own wardrobe with me.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: That was when he got a little older.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: That's what we made about him, Like YO, send back
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: to that, Yes, send back the bag, I said earlier,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: send back the bed sent I be Russian.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: He kept the clothes. I washed him, fold him or
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: put him in the cleanest okay, kline, But I'm saying
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: it's still my stuff that you got. It's his stuff.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: And you didn't send a bag every week because if
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I if I kept something that you sent, you ain't
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: need to send it the follow one week and then another.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: How many how many times? Every pair attendance I bought him?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I bought him two pairs, one for you, one for me. Okay,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Gucci belts. You don't lost? Well,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: why are you buying a kid? How many? How many
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: like designers that young? I will grow out of it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That's just been me. Okay, I'm sorry. That was my
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: mother logic. I felt like that logic was a great life.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: That's how you grew up yep, he would always he
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: was in designer at a very young age.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: That's not mine, damn fast.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Well yeah it didn't matter, and I was hating a
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But so what like, no, like you got your kids designing,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Because I was out here in TJ Max.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: But that's you. You you were moving different.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Either one of you have a reflection that made you
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: see a situation differently now that you're old.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Hm hmm.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: You go first, Well, I feel like I feel like
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I've been seeing things different for a while, since Ash
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: was like five, you know what I mean. I feel
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: like once we got past our feelings, I always saw
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: you in a different light. Like I always was like, Okay,
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: this will be, this is gonna be my friend. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: feel like nobody else got this young man any help.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Nobody ever, you know, try to guide him, you know, properly.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Even when you came into like your ex settlement, you
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: was getting money, you was out here. You feel me,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: I feel like nobody was trying to help you in
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: any way.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: You want to hear that to fish, but I won't
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: speak on that because that's a big part in the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: woman eyes and stuff like that too. Finish, you know, So.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's how I felt. I've always was able
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: to give grace and see and see the bigger picture, like, yeah,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: this this is my friend, and I honestly feel going
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: back to the question that Charlamanne asks you when I
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: first walked in, if we didn't have Ashton, I know
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: we would not be together because that wasn't our story,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: but we would be friends. You know, we will be
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: best and still you know, so I do feel that way.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I've always been reflecting.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: What what were you gonna say? I agree on that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I do, cause mm, your mother hold all my stuff.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It always goes back to my mom. What's the good
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that I've done? You know, I'm just saying your mother
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: plays a big part. I just wish more women had
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: mothers like you.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: M What Roman is saying is true, cause it's always
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: It can always be a mother putting a negative battery
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: in a woman's backs.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Or or she just ain't care for the child. You
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: just like your mother, Yeah, I mean.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: But just it seemed like she feel like you. You
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: give a lot of profits to kudos to her mom.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But because she's great, No, I give kudos to both.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: But as children, we speaking, we speaking right now, we
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: speaking on them. Then we was kids. I didn't have that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't have nobody to show me or teach me
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: how to be a father. It ain't no rule. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: got to figure that shit out my own. You you
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: know how I feel to go to college and you
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: got your son in your left hand and you gotta
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: do work.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know what I feel.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Look, yeah, that's why I bought it ash the iPad
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: at that young age, and beats don't nobody know the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: hard work that I put in. And then for the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: other children of mine, I do the same. So, like
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I said, when you let her father be a father,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see you You're gonna see the finishing product
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: of it. Like I shouldn't have to fight my child
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: mint and take care of my kid. I helped you
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: make them right or her right? Why is it you
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: you shut the fuck up when oh here here, here, here, here,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: here here, No, because you know, like I know, I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: just had my boys at the market the other day.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: We was having a moving night. We was on the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: uh the cart I took. You know, I'm a big kid,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: especially when I'm babies around me. Man, my NX kid
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: come out I'm on the cart I rolled from the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: top with the mark of that all the way down
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on the cart where Brice and Improves boys had the
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: best time of life. It's little things like that. My
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: money can't buy that. Yeah, so it would be like,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: damn if you do, damn if you don't.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: He's talking about the other baby mother's right now.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about this period you don't have. So
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I don't call just that's my sister, so you know
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: we you know, we clear on that. So like the world. No,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: when I'm talking, I ain't talking about her. She's excluded.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: She's actually yeah, she's excluded.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Just got a baby from her brother.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: It was about to say something about the settlement.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: He was like, you get sholder settlement. Honestly, man, the settlement,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the settlement really nobody taught you to invest or any
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: of that investing. I'm a hurt young man, and I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: already got alla. I got a little style, nice teeth.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I ain't bodies teeth, so you know, whatever the case
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: may be. When that money came, oh I can get
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: women to do whatever the fun I want them to do.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: But why was that the goal? That was a goal
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: because it made me feel better. It blocked all the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: pain and hurt that I had mother, the mother one.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: It blocked all that out. So you know, at that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: time we talked about that nigga and went broken. Had
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to really sit down and really, you know why you
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: want that? Okay, okay, cool, But looking back at yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: fucked up. That wasn't a way to go because all
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: you're doing is creating something that cost and it's going
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: to cost you over time, and you got to maintain
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: to be able to afford that cost. If not where
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: they're going out the door. So I created a problem
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: for myself and that's where I went to press that
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: a long time ago as well, trying to maintain a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: lifestyle that I really couldn't keep up with because of
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I have more children.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: M I loved it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Yourself away of it though, because like a lot of
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: people have the mother wound and don't even know that
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: they're turning to external things to sell south like the alcohol,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: the sex with the other women, Like they don't even
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: realize I'm only doing this because I'm.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Actually hurt and it's no just respect to my lady now,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: but like it was, it was in no disrespect to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: my child mom, I was fucking but it was a
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: time I went on a ramp page. I felt like
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: one of the athletes type niggas. And it's not I'm
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: not it's not good. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: not glorifying it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: But that ship.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if other men feel like that, but
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: it was a different woman every day for probably two months.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Didn't care aboutn't know their names, didn't nothing.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta let let a legend.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And and it's like because like, well, like people don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: understand people. They judge you so much, but people don't
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: understand so, like I said, but and I do feel
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like he has well talk to you.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: I do feel like you have issues with your other
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: co parents, the other moms of your children, because never
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: got past all the hurt that y'all that you know
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: that that the it indor the relationship never got past. No, y'all,
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: y'all never sat down.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we never sat down with you, Yes we
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: sat down after the fact, Well, yes, yes we already been.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Don't put on you on them, No, I'm over everything
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: over them, Okay. They don't want to and honestly I
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: can't figure it out. And I'm done trying to figure
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: it out. That's why I lost hair. I'm done. But no, no,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I'm one for five. I'm good.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: No, I know, I understand, but I was just saying,
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: that's why it's not a healthy co parenting team there,
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: because y'all didn't get through the issues. Y'all never really
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: sat down and had those uncomfortable conversations and got the
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: closure on the relationship side to move forward on.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: The co parents' side. That y'all never did what we did.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, we were we were already
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: past each other once we sat down and talked. But
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: y'all were always just bickering every relationship after you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: you and I when you had a kid, it was
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: just a bunch of bickering.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: And now that you're here saying that, yes, I was.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Hurt, I was hurt.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: I was hurt.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: They didn't understand that. They didn't understand that, you know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: and you got bitter baby moms. Like I say in
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: the book, it's okay to be better, just don't stay there.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: But you kept them there because you kept going back
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: dealing with this one, that you dealing with that when
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: you never closed the door with this one.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And that you dealing with this when this one got
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: about it, and I keep going back? And why did
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I keep.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: Going back and going back because it was convenient?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Why did I keep going back and going back? Was
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: because that was the only way that I can get
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: my child. I went back three times to two different women.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I do rem why because that was the only way
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that they will be out of their feelings and I
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: can see my child. I remember that, and I'm gonna
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: speak on my last child mom. We will never be
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like you, but were moving in that direction, Charlatne. We
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: talked about it earlier. You said why did you move
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: back from South Carolina? And I stayed it at that
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: time and my last child Mom, we wasn't seeing an eye,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: We wasn't talking. I couldn't even face time. And then
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until I brought the kids back up here
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: for school before it hit me that, damn, I'm just
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: down here by myself. I don't know how to function
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: without just going to work. Might get some free time
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: on myself and get my kids. I don't know how
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: to function like that. So I try to do everything
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I could with them for them to wanting A half
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: months before they were at school, but prosper I wasn't
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: talking to prop but I couldn't see Prized, but I
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't FaceTime, so I'm in back in my mind, I'm like, damn,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: he said he a baby?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: Is he?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Did he even know me? It's crazy you said that?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Do you even know me? Like dang? Is he? I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: don't know? And and that hurt it. So you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: my uncle tough love, and I'm glad that I had
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: my uncle around here, like, man, suck that shit up,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: you'll be odd. So that kept going. My son mom
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: get diagnosed with breast cats.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Sat on it for like two weeks if I was
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: wanting to move back or not, because I felt like
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and she said no, she had moved on, she had
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: a friend, or whatever the case may be. But I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: wasn't moving back for that. I was moving back because
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be closer to my son, and I
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: felt like she needed me more to be there physically
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: for my son because of the transition that was about
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to happen. Because imagine what she's going there, and that
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: transition is all chemo radiation. Yes, and she decided to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: take that route instead of going I know some people
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: that went to the.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Natural holistic route, and Prosper was a baby, he was young,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: so that was a lot of pressure on her, you
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. So, yeah, although she has family,
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: they're not always there for her. She has to do
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: a lot by herself too. You know, she has another kids.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: And then they say when you know, when she explained
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: that to me, when you're going through that, you need
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: as much support as you can. Yes, So no, I
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: didn't think, oh no, I'm gonna be with this woman. No,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I said this woman need me. Yes, you do have
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: another child as well, but I say, this woman needs me,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and I moved back. Uh, I got to see my
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: son and that was history. And now we, like I said, so,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, I don't have another co porta with all
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: but my last one. And they, the twins actual looked
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: just alike. Yeah, so I got a coke parenting with her,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: and yeah, but I feel like if she didn't, which
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't diagnosed, I might have not moved back so fast.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was one thing and I'm
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: dealing with that now. Of course, you know, Ila was
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: heard about that because I projected my once again, I
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: projected another my trauma on my son as well. I'm like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want baby to be without his mother. That's
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: all I'm thinking about. Like, I don't want that phone
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: call and I'm not there.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Right, That's what I wanted you to say. I don't
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: want to say I want him to use his mom.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she she healthy now and she needed she's
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: doing she's in a gym, she's fits high spirit, still
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: changing her dreams. But yeah, what's Prospers? You know you're
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: about to turn for June. Yeah, but it's two for five.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep saying one it's too.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: For I do see it being five for five with
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: with like the negative this book. No, seriously is the
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: space that y'all in right now? I understand, but I
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: do see it being that way.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Ho, I'm cutting you off. No Prosster three, Yeah, and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: my other ones is young No Propster three and it
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: happened and mother ones is No. Seven. No, I'm not
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: gonna hate each other. Trust check this out. Mm hmm.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to take care of my kids. I
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: don't care if you hate me, and you don't, I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: got it. Hey, everybody wanna be like you. Everybody ain't
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: coming to save me. Mm hmm. Everybody don't care about
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: if I'm happy or not, because when I'm happy, everybody
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: around me happy. So I get it. But I don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: think like that no more because that burns me up
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and eats me up. It's nice where, you know, whatever
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the case may be. But no, I take my first
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: and last, and I'm good with that. When my other
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: ones start to be mature. Oh here, take your kid,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: don't just.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what both of y'all saying. I get
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: what just saying.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I get what you were saying, just as like, you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: this book should show you that healing is possible because
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: y'all weren't always in the best, but.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: We ain't never been like this, might never not seen
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: my kid. I don't give a fuck about not having
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: a relationship with the woman. I don't beat my kid. Yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: give me my kid, that's all I got. But if
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you you're using that against me, obviously it's something you
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: that ain't right. You're a fucked up person, right.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: But at one, at some point y'all loved each other. Yeah,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm saying. It's still it's still existed, you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: So if you can, if you're not I'm not saying
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: get back to that place, but at one point, if
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: there was a point where you did love a person,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: then you can actually see the good in them, you
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, to try to start to mend
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: that and that that that just starts with confronting the
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: things that eat you up about that person. That's all
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: it is, is just an uncomfortable conversation. But I'm gonna
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: get you robbed up no more. There is one thing
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: before we end it is well with one thing?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I wonder because because it is the topic that now
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the world is talking about it, I want talking about
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: it before.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: But you know, I mean, we we've been doing this
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: since the pandemic.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I think the funny part about it is because even
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: right now I'm talking and I'm going through the ship, like, Yeah,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I moved back a year and a half ago, seeing
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: my nine year old daughter twice. Right, I came back twice.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: My mother text called me that probably eleven o'clock three
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: four last week night. You call him this sleep for
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I missed it because I was sleeping. Next morning, what up,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to have a conversation about our daughter. Are
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: you free? I said? What I said? What would the
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: conversation be about other than her? You went missing? I didn't?
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I did? I own it? Mm hmm. So here's a
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: father trying to be a father. Guess what I said? Hey,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: she like in a call, I'm like ashing Bryce in
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the price for sleep. Talk to you tomorrow. I can
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: eat you tomorrow. At that dropped them off to school
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: and that's it. Did you did you went missing again?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Hmm?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, text?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Hey free? Hey, So what's like? But she'll call me
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: a dead beat? See what I'm going at with it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not bashing her. She's a great mom, all of them.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: She'll call me all of them all. Yeah, I would
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: never take that. I got a nice line up for
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: the great moms. So with without me, I think my kids,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: you know, besides of trauma, whatever can they they've been
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: they have been taken care of well. But but you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: see the type of things that fathers that actually care.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I know some niggas that just don't give a fuck.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm free, I want to meet up go missing again? Yeah?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: What I want to know is why I haven't just
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: en through a copy of the book.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: They just came out of the book. I'm gonna get
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: to be honest, bro, I don't think you can read No,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what do you mean. I don't think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: they'll read it. You don't think that we might want Yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I've already read the book. Amazing, thank you. We was
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: in court, yeah, the whole thing. But that's good. That's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the one that you were on good terms with it
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like it's like it's one of those things
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: man for men. I'm protecting my mental It is what
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: it is. It ain't what it ain't. I'm a control
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: If I can't control, only control what you can control.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: That's my logic. It is what it is. And when
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: you and when you go by that on a man
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: or your peace part, things be, it just comes to you.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: It'd be easy. So, like I said, if it happens,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it happens, but I'm not expecting it to because because
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: if it don't, I won't be hurt again. I look
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: so forward to death.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Do we parent too that you're writing and see that's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: what it is.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, I ain't gonna say it. Don't want you to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: steal my ship nobody yet, but you have to be
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: parent part. What is it part you to you know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: it's too you have to be parent, part to let
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: her father be your father. Yeah, I love it and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I love you too, y, I really do.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: The book is out right now.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Make sure you get my guy room, sending room, healing
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: energy all the time.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Eight fellas, protect your peace. Man all right.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club. It's big room, little one, It's.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Morning and just god damn okay.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes no, that was yo.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Every day I waiting click yours up the Breakfast Club.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done