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Joe Rogan Experience _1080 - David Goggins(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Five, four, three, two, one. Boom, and we're live. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for doing this, man. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for having me. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: You're the only guy I've ever had in the studio
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  Speaker 1: where when I showed up, you were working out.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I do, man. That's my life. That's my life.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy, though. I mean, how much time did
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  Speaker 1: you have when you got here?
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  Speaker 2: I got here about an hour early.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We got a little early.
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  Speaker 1: So I got here, shirt off, doing chin-ups.
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  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get my camera out in time before you
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  Speaker 1: saw me. I wanted to take some pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe next time.
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  Speaker 1: Next time. Well, I'll catch you after the show. You
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  Speaker 1: are a guy that, for a lot of people, you
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  Speaker 1: sort of embody the idea of hardening your mind and
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  Speaker 1: figuring out a way to to do things that most
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  Speaker 1: people think are impossible. You've sort of become that guy
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  Speaker 1: over your life, and you've become that guy for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, including me, online. We've talked about you
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast a ton of times. So having you
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  Speaker 1: in here has been very exciting to me.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: How'd you become that guy?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? I grew up not that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of people put a title on me.
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  Speaker 2: They see me now. They see me now as the
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  Speaker 2: guy that with his shirt off who can do 4,030
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  Speaker 2: pull-ups in 17 hours, who can run 205 miles in
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  Speaker 2: 39 hours, who can do all this crazy shit. But
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  Speaker 2: what they don't understand is they don't understand the journey
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  Speaker 2: that it took me to get to this point. And
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  Speaker 2: what got me to this point was I was just
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of what I am today. I was that
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  Speaker 2: guy who ran away from absolutely everything that I got
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  Speaker 2: in front of me. Not many people knew that. I
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  Speaker 2: had two people. Like the real me was like this
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  Speaker 2: very scared, insecure, stuttering, got beat up by his dad,
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  Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. And then I built this
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  Speaker 2: fake person that walked around like my shit didn't stink,
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  Speaker 2: you know? Yeah, so that's kind of how I did it.
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  Speaker 2: And through a process of time, I realized that I
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  Speaker 2: was lying to myself and lying to people.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a fascinating journey, though, because you are that
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  Speaker 1: guy now. I mean, you genuinely are a legit badass.
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  Speaker 1: And at one point in time, you were a legit
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  Speaker 1: terrified person.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the process? Like, how did you step forth?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a long process.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: My dad beat the shit out of me when I
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  Speaker 2: was growing up. I was the first black baby born
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  Speaker 2: in this hospital called Miller Fillmore in Buffalo, New York.
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  Speaker 2: My dad owned skating rinks. He owned bars. He ran
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  Speaker 2: prostitutes from Canada to Buffalo, New York. My dad was
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  Speaker 2: a big-time pimp, big-time. Anything bad about a person, big-time hustler.
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  Speaker 2: He was American. You know that movie with D'Angelo Washington?
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  Speaker 2: He was that, but not that bad. He wasn't that big,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what it reminds me of. He was that
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy. And beat the shit out of me,
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  Speaker 2: beat the shit out of my mom. There was an
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  Speaker 2: incident one time when my mom got knocked out on
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  Speaker 2: top of the stairs and he drug her down the
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  Speaker 2: stairs by her hair. And at six years old, I'll
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  Speaker 2: never forget this. In my mind, I was always afraid.
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  Speaker 2: My whole life I was afraid, but I had this
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  Speaker 2: fucking voice, this conscience that would always be battling me, saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get up and do something. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to do shit. I was just afraid, but that
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  Speaker 2: voice would force me to get up And my dad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I try to beat him up, whatever, at
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  Speaker 2: six and I get my ass kicked. So this went
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  Speaker 2: on for several years. And I have a big time
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  Speaker 2: learning disability. My dad didn't believe in us going to school.
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  Speaker 2: So my dad, it was about the business, the skating
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  Speaker 2: rink and the bar. So the skating rink opened about
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  Speaker 2: seven o'clock at night. And this is the time I
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  Speaker 2: was able to walk. So about four, five, six years old, eight, nine.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd go to the skating rink at seven o'clock
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  Speaker 2: at night. And I worked the skating rink until 10
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  Speaker 2: at night. And then we would scrape the gum off
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  Speaker 2: the floors and we cleaned the whole skating rink up.
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  Speaker 2: And then my dad had an office. And my brother
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  Speaker 2: and myself would sleep in the office. And my mom
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  Speaker 2: would go upstairs and work the bar until three o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the morning. And then they cleaned the bar up.
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  Speaker 2: So after all that shit was done with, going to
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  Speaker 2: school rarely happened. So when I went to school, I
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  Speaker 2: was all kind of, You know, my learning disability, I
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  Speaker 2: had social anxiety. I was just a jacked up kid
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  Speaker 2: from living in this tortured home. From the outside looking in,
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  Speaker 2: we lived in an all-white neighborhood. And then we would
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  Speaker 2: travel to the ghetto of Buffalo, New York, where the
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  Speaker 2: skating rink was at. So, you know, we worked around
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  Speaker 2: mostly blacks. And I lived around mostly whites. But no
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  Speaker 2: one knew what was going on in that house on
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  Speaker 2: 201 Paradise Road. You know, it's crazy. But my mom
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  Speaker 2: got courage to finally leave him. when I was about
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  Speaker 2: eight years old, we moved to a small town in Brazil, Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: And that's when the real war started for me. And Brazil,
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  Speaker 2: Indiana is a small town, great people, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: great people. And I say that because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people get offended and I'm going to get to the
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  Speaker 2: point where they get offended. There was about maybe 10
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  Speaker 2: black families at about 10,000 people in the town. And
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  Speaker 2: in 1995, the KKK marched in the 4th of July parade.
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  Speaker 2: So this was a, Not everybody was racist. There was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of good people. Some of the best people
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  Speaker 2: I knew was there, but there was also a lot
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  Speaker 2: of racism there. So me being one of the few
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  Speaker 2: black kids in that area, it kind of haunts you.
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  Speaker 2: I had stuff on my notebook, you know, nigga, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to kill you, on my Spanish notebook. They had
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  Speaker 2: that on my car, nigga, we're going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: This is early 90s. And so even though I showed
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  Speaker 2: it didn't hurt me, it was jacking me up. So
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  Speaker 2: all the insecurities I had when I was a kid
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  Speaker 2: with my father, I moved into this area here and
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  Speaker 2: It just got worse and worse and worse. And this
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  Speaker 2: shit haunted me. And that voice that I talked about,
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  Speaker 2: it kept talking louder and louder and louder. But I
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  Speaker 2: was doing nothing about it. And I decided to make moves.
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  Speaker 2: And I cheated all through school. And it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: humbling to talk about my story sometimes. And it's also embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: But it's real. It's who the fuck I am. It's
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  Speaker 2: what I am. It's what created me. and copied from
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  Speaker 2: the fourth grade to my junior year in high school
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  Speaker 2: on every assignment. And I wanted to get in the military.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to join the Air Force. And the guy
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  Speaker 2: gave me an ASVAB test. It was like a watered-down SAT.
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't copy on it because the guy beside
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  Speaker 2: me had a test A. I had test B. The
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  Speaker 2: guy on my right had test C. So I looked
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  Speaker 2: to copy on this test, and I couldn't copy on it,
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  Speaker 2: so I got like a 20. And I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be an Air Force pararescueman. It's guys that jump out
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  Speaker 2: of airplanes and save downed pilots. It's a special operator
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  Speaker 2: in the Air Force. And my score was so horribly
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  Speaker 2: low that we take it again. And he said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I got like an 18 the second time, even worse.
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  Speaker 2: I need to get a 50 out of a 99.
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  Speaker 2: And so my mom and I, for a while, we
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  Speaker 2: lived in the government subsidized apartments, $ 7 a month, and
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  Speaker 2: also food stamps. And we slowly moved up to a
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  Speaker 2: $ 230 a month place. But at the time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we were pretty poor. But my mom afforded enough money
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  Speaker 2: for me to go to see a tutor and One
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  Speaker 2: one hour a week. So for four hours a month,
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  Speaker 2: I had six months to study for my last test
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the acid, you know the acid
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  Speaker 2: test three times and I Studied my ass off and
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  Speaker 2: passed it and I got in the air force and
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  Speaker 2: realized there was more things in front of me I
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  Speaker 2: was afraid of the water terrified the water and um
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  Speaker 2: I learned how to swim but what gets everybody in
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  Speaker 2: this training in all special ops training Is the water
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  Speaker 2: confidence where they try to pretty much drown your ass,
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  Speaker 2: you know all of our lives we've been breathing And
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  Speaker 2: they take that from you. And they want to see
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  Speaker 2: how comfortable you are underwater. And there's only 1% African
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  Speaker 2: Americans in special operations. And I didn't know anything about African.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them are negative buoyant, which I am
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  Speaker 2: because of the bone density. I struggled. But six weeks
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  Speaker 2: into the program, there was about 25 guys left out
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  Speaker 2: of about 150. I was there. And I didn't go
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  Speaker 2: to sleep for six weeks of the program. And I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to quit so badly, but I quit everything in
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  Speaker 2: my life. I copied through school. I wanted to prove
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  Speaker 2: people wrong. And so here I am in this Air
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  Speaker 2: Force program starting to get a little more confidence, but
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  Speaker 2: this water was kicking my ass. And six weeks into
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  Speaker 2: the program, the doctor gave me a blood test. It
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  Speaker 2: was that sickle cell, sickle cell trait, not the anemia,
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  Speaker 2: but it still killed people. But so they put me
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  Speaker 2: out training for a week. And when you go from
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  Speaker 2: being very uncomfortable in that water situation to And then
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  Speaker 2: now you're comfortable and i'm sitting back watching the guys drown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not you know I'm not part of the activities
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  Speaker 2: anymore for this week I don't want to get back
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  Speaker 2: in that damn water again So the fear overcame me
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  Speaker 2: and all my insecurities from my dad from this small
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  Speaker 2: town from everything started coming back And even though no
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  Speaker 2: one knew how fucked up I was kind of create
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  Speaker 2: this other person who was tough I live with this
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  Speaker 2: shit all the time so Me not wanting to go
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  Speaker 2: back in that water, the doctor called me back up.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to get like a medical
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  Speaker 2: kick out of the military. So no quitting for me.
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  Speaker 2: They'll kick me out so I can have some pride.
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  Speaker 2: The doctor said, no, man, we could put you back
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  Speaker 2: in the training. And I was like, fuck. But after
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  Speaker 2: a week, I'm like, you know what? I missed one week.
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  Speaker 2: There's only three weeks left. There's a good chance, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I could tough this shit out and go on. But
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  Speaker 2: I went back to the CO and the command officer
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  Speaker 2: of the program and And the sergeant said, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: got to start from day one because you missed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that week of training. And I broke.
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  Speaker 1: I broke.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine going back through that again. So I
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  Speaker 2: made up a lie. And I said, man, the sickle
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  Speaker 2: cell thing is really scaring me. It was the fucking water.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't sickle cell. And I pretty much quit. Even
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  Speaker 2: though they gave me a medical, I quit. So from
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  Speaker 2: the age of 19 to the age of 22, I
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  Speaker 2: went and did a job called TACP, where you control
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  Speaker 2: fast movers behind enemy lines. Cool job, but there's no water.
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  Speaker 2: I was afraid of the water. so I avoided it.
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  Speaker 2: And I gained 125 pounds in that time frame. I
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  Speaker 2: went from 175 to almost 300, to 297 was my heaviest.
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  Speaker 2: And I started finding things that was comfortable. And the
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  Speaker 2: more things I found comfortable, the more uncomfortable my mind was.
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  Speaker 2: Because that voice I was telling you about, it always
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  Speaker 2: was there. I was just trying to avoid that conscience.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be left alone from that conscience, and
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't leave me alone. So I got out of
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  Speaker 2: the Air Force, and I started working for a job
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  Speaker 2: called Eco Lab, where you spray for cockroaches, at 24.
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  Speaker 2: And spraying that different steak and shakes, red lobster, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: from 11 o'clock at night to 7 o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: And what changed, I came home and watched this Discovery
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  Speaker 2: Channel show, Class 224. I came home from steak and shake.
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  Speaker 2: I sprayed it down last, get a big old large
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  Speaker 2: 42 ounce shake while across the street and get a
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  Speaker 2: box of mini donuts from 7-Eleven. And I would drive
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  Speaker 2: home for 45 minutes. This big old fat guy who, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I worked out, but I was fat. I didn't run,
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  Speaker 2: didn't PT. I just hit the gym. So I'm driving home,
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  Speaker 2: turn the TV on and what comes on Discovery Channel. So,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where everything changed for me. I was taking
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  Speaker 2: a shower. I walked out, heard these guys and I
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  Speaker 2: watched the show, and it made me reflect big time
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  Speaker 2: on the piece of shit that I am, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: exactly what people said I was going to be.
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  Speaker 1: So what was on this show that really struck home?
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  Speaker 2: I saw these guys going in the water, so I
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  Speaker 2: was terrified of it. I mean, I can't even express it.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever had a big fear? And I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fighters have fears and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: but they get over them. But a lot of us
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  Speaker 2: have these fears that you just don't want to fucking face.
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  Speaker 2: And I have a lot of them. I had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them. And that's what created the person who's
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  Speaker 2: in front of you today. And we'll get into that.
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  Speaker 2: But just a scared bitch is what I was. But
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  Speaker 2: I was watching these guys going through Hell Week, Class 224.
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  Speaker 2: And these guys ringing the bell, quitting, dropping their helmet down,
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  Speaker 2: rolling out. A lot of guys just leaving. And it
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  Speaker 2: made me reflect on my fears, my insecurities. And I
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  Speaker 2: saw real men, what I thought were real men who
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  Speaker 2: were staying there. who were overcoming adversity, who were overcoming
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  Speaker 2: all these different things that I had blamed so many
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  Speaker 2: fucking people in my life, my dad, my mom for
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  Speaker 2: not being there. When I was 14 years old, my
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  Speaker 2: mom was gonna get remarried to this great guy, he
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  Speaker 2: got murdered. And then I moved back to that small
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  Speaker 2: town in Brazil and everybody was to blame. My learning disability,
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  Speaker 2: my skin color, me being everything. And so I sat
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  Speaker 2: there for a while and I was like, man, I
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  Speaker 2: got to fucking, I've got it. No one's going to
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  Speaker 2: fucking come to help me. No one's going to fucking
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  Speaker 2: come to help me. It's fucking me against me, period.
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  Speaker 2: And so I had the man up and I said,
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  Speaker 2: the first thing I started doing is facing every fucking
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  Speaker 2: fear I have, no matter what the fuck it is, man.
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  Speaker 2: And these things would keep me up at night. No one,
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  Speaker 2: people who are hearing this shit, they will never really
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  Speaker 2: understand and grasp When you face these things and so
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  Speaker 2: many things, how they keep you up and haunt you
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  Speaker 2: at night.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people out there that
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  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and so that's what it did. And I
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  Speaker 2: had two options. To either be that 300-pound guy who
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  Speaker 2: sprayed for cockroaches and made $ 1, 000 a month. And at
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  Speaker 2: 24 years old, knowing when I'm 50 fucking years old,
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  Speaker 2: I can reflect on this and think about what guy
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  Speaker 2: I never became. Or I can totally just sack it up.
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  Speaker 2: and fail and fail and fail until I succeed. So
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  Speaker 2: I started calling recruiters up. I said, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 2: be a fucking Navy SEAL. And every recruiter, so there's
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  Speaker 2: a weight and height, so the weight and height limit
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  Speaker 2: to get in the military. And I was six foot
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  Speaker 2: one and 297. And I had a prior service, which
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  Speaker 2: was a big deal. So I called all these recruiters
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  Speaker 2: up and all of them said, hey, how tall are you? Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: They got into conversation to see if I was even qualified.
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  Speaker 2: And by the time I got to my weight, phone
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  Speaker 2: would hang up pretty much like hey you know what
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  Speaker 2: call somebody else you know try to get in the
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  Speaker 2: reserves so I tried to get in the reserves and
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  Speaker 2: I called this guy named Steven Salgio recruiter up he
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  Speaker 2: said hey come on in he saw me put me
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  Speaker 2: through the weight standard all this other stuff and to
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  Speaker 2: get into the class I had to get into I
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  Speaker 2: had to lose 106 pounds in less than three months
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  Speaker 2: so I was like, fuck that. I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I grabbed my chocolate milkshake and went back to Ecolab.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going back to work, man. This is my life.
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  Speaker 2: So in this job, you're looking for cockroaches, looking for
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  Speaker 2: rodents and stuff like that. And this next morning or
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  Speaker 2: this next night, I went to work and I don't
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  Speaker 2: like cockroaches too much. I hit the mother load of cockroaches.
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  Speaker 2: And this restaurant got full of cockroaches and rodents and
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  Speaker 2: everything else. And I sat there and said, this is
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  Speaker 2: my life. I said, this is my life. You are
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: exactly who the fuck, this is it. And I said,
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  Speaker 2: this ain't going to be it for me. So in
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  Speaker 2: that restaurant, I quit my job, left my canister in
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  Speaker 2: that restaurant, my spray canister, got back in my Ecolab truck,
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  Speaker 2: and I went home. And I started working out like somebody,
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  Speaker 2: I became the most obsessed person on the planet Earth.
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  Speaker 2: And I was basically, I had to invent a guy
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  Speaker 2: that didn't exist. I had to invent a guy that
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  Speaker 2: can take any pain, any suffering, any kind of judgment,
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  Speaker 2: be called nigger, be called whatever the fuck in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and be able to stand in the fucking room and say,
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  Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. I had to build this callous mind,
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  Speaker 2: and I built it through suffering. I built it through
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: downright fucking just crushing myself. If it was raining outside
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: at 3 o'clock in the fucking morning, if it was snowing,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: the first instinct is don't go out there and do shit.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: My instinct was we got to fucking go out there.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Anything that was fucking horrible in my life that I
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: would normally say no, that was inhumane to most people,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I had to go do it. And I started callousing
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: my mind at this point in my life. And I
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: lost the weight. I lost the weight, and I went
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: back to recruiter. I got into that class, and I
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: went through three Navy SEAL hell weeks in one year.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Only guy to ever be in three hell weeks in
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: one year, to my knowledge. The first one I didn't
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: make it through. The next two I did. And I
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: didn't stop anymore from there. And I started realizing through
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: this process that the fucking mind is what you created.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: And I started opening different doors that I didn't think
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: were even there, that I didn't think even existed. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the more doors I opened up, the more I started
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: realizing that my potential is damn near endless. And it
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: changed my whole mindset. So I went from David Goggins
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and I created Goggins. And that journey is a priceless
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: journey that it's hard for me to even explain to
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: people because it sounds so quick and easy. Like I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: lost this weight and I went through three hell weeks.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I went to ranger school, went to Delta Force Lexington.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It was brutal. It's a brutal journey every fucking day.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Are you happy? If anybody knows my life story, I'll
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: try to give you just a snippet of it. Where
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I'm at today is in front of Joe Rogan telling
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: you my life. To get through where I became, to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: get through where I'm at now, There's nothing but pride
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I have for myself that I can't really show people
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: because I have this face. I have this face that
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: they see like, are you happy? What's wrong with you?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I'm driven. I'm obsessed. And that's what you see.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That's it. People need to hear this story. This is
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: an exciting story for people because there's a lot of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: people out there that feel trapped and they feel stuck
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and they feel like they can't do anything. This is
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: who they are. You're a guy who felt that exact
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: same way, but figured out how to not be that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: person and be a person that you would admire. How
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: did you, what were the first steps? Like you had
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: some slips before, right? Because you quit because of the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: water thing. Right. But then when you went back the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: second time and you decided you're going to lose all
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that weight and you quit that job. Was it just
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: straightforward from there? Or were there some days where you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: just failed and then you picked it back up again?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So my first run, when I decided to lose the weight,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I was, like I said, 297. I was about 32%
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: body fat. And my idea was to run four miles
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: for my first run. I didn't know how bad it
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: was going to fucking hurt me. I used to run
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: before I was fat. And I was like, fuck it,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I can do this. I ran a quarter mile and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: walked home. I walked home and sat on my couch
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and cried. I went to my mom's house who was
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: about 40, about maybe 20 minutes down the road and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: cried and getting her couch saying, man, I can't fucking
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: do this. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I, uh,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: just got somebody pregnant. My life was this fucked. I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: was making a thousand dollars a month. My rent was eight,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: 10 a month. And my mom just kept fucking with
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: me and kept fucking. You're not good enough, man. This
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: isn't for you, man. These guys are bad motherfuckers on
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the planet earth. You're not that. And, um, What it was,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of funny, I was obsessed with Rocky.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Rocky 1, in particular. And when I was a kid,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'd come home every day and I'd watch this fucking show, Rocky.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And I would fast forward with the little VHS tapes
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to round 14. Round 14 fucked me up like nobody's business. Why?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: The song came on. When I bought the pull-up record,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I listened to the song for 17 hours. It's 2
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: minutes and 13 seconds. And I'm able to visualize and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: dream like nobody's business. And I know that I can
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: create a vision that many people can't. And I work
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: for it. So the vision I had was when Apollo
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Creed beat the fucking shit out of Rocky, beat the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: shit out of him. He kept fighting. He was a
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: dumb fighter. Couldn't read, couldn't fuck. That was me. Couldn't read,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: couldn't write. just punchy, everything about him. And Rocky beat
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the shit, or Apollo beat the shit out of him.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: He was in that corner, and everybody was saying, stay
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the fuck down. And him getting up, him getting up,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Apollo Creed raised his arms up in the fucking air,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: turned around, thought he won the fight. He turns around
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and sees this guy getting up. And it was the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: face of Apollo Creed that changed my life. The face
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of Apollo Creed. It was like just by that motherfucker
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: getting up. Not winning. Just by him getting the fuck up.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Apollo Creed was champ. He was the best. Rocky had
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: taken his soul. Had literally taken his soul. His head
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: goes down. He looks at him like, what the fuck
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: are you? I want it to be that. Not Rocky. Rocky.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be the guy that people looked at.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I don't care if you liked me or didn't like me.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I don't care. But I said, this motherfucker is going
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to keep coming after whatever the fuck is in front
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of him. I wanted that. I wanted that. I wanted
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that worse than anything in the world. So that is,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I kept picturing me falling down and getting up. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: every motherfucker that called me nigger, I was dumb. Even
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: myself was. Even myself, I wanted to feel something besides
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the feet. I wanted to just go the distance. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: that going the distance pushed me to a point of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: where now I go way past the distance.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So you go the first day, you run a quarter mile,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and then you walk back home and you're upset. How
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: do you move forward?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: So basically what I did was I came home and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I had a talking milkshake. I sat down and I
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: gave up. I said, this ain't going to fucking happen, man.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I could lose 106 pounds and I can't even go
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a quarter fucking mile. I started being able to take
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: negative shit and be happy. And this whole, I say
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: what if a lot, it sounds corny and it sounds weak,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: but it's true. One of the recruiters said, there's not
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: many black Navy SEALs. Matter of fact, I was the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: 36th African-American SEAL in history. It's over 70 years. That's crazy.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Because the fucking water, you know? I mean, people get
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: mad at me. It's fucking true. Just get over it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, man, what story would it
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: be if my fucking fat, dumb, lying to be friends
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: with people, insecure ass can overcome this shit? And that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: what if mentality, that dreamer mentality just would always fuel me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: It was just fueling me. What if I can be
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a SEAL, man? What if I can go from running
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a quarter of a fucking mile? Now I run 205 miles.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: What if I can go? Just what if I can go?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And how would that feel if I'm graduating? Because I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: don't forget at the graduation thing I was talking about, 224,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like the video I sat down and watched. This command
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: officer stood up and he said to the graduation, guys
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: who are graduating, buds, like 18 of them. He said,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: we live in a society where mediocrity is often rewarded.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And he went on to say something about these men
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: detest mediocrity. And I wanted to be a man that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: detests mediocrity. It got me in a lot of trouble
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in the SEAL teams and going forward in my life
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: because I just, I started looking down on people for
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: not going hard as fucking shit. And I started to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: create different things, but that's for a different day. But
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I just believed that, you know, my whole mind changed.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: That is a problem that a lot of people who
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: work hard do have. You get angry at people who
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: don't work hard to the point where you want to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: insult them. You want to smack them. And it's really
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: because you're scared of seeing that in yourself.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's probably the truth. That's probably the truth. So
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I guess a lot of times in my life I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: would see people and it probably was a direct reflection
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of who I was. And I would get mad at them,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: but in reflection, it's probably just me getting mad at myself.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for me, 100%. When I see people that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: are half-assed and things, I get terrified of seeing that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in myself, and I get mad at them.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And it's not a good way to handle it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But it's natural, because you're just terrified of seeing that trait.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Right, and it costs me.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So you come back, you do the quarter mile, you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: walk back home. How do you regroup?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: So what I did, I sat down there and I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: put Rocky in. I got my milkshake, put Rocky. I said,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you know what? I was big time in Rocky and Platoon.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Why Platoon? I love to see people who were getting
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: beat down. And there's scenes. There's scenes that just drove me.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And people in my hell weeks, you know, I was
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: in three of them. They'd always hear me singing these songs.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: These songs, humming these songs in torturous situations. When everybody's
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: quitting this fucking code, I would be somewhere gone. Somewhere
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: fucking gone. Somewhere fucking dark as shit. There's a scene
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in the platoon when Elias, when Barnes shoots Elias, and,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they think Elias is dead, and the choppers
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: are tanking off, and Charlie Sheen's asking, you know, Tom Barringer,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: where's Elias? Where's Elias? William Defoe. Oh, I found him
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: back there dead somewhere. And through the woods, the Viet
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Cong is chasing Elias through the woods, and they're shooting
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: him in his fucking back. And all he wants to
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: do is get to the fucking chopper. He's getting shot
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: in his back. He's getting up. He's getting shot in
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: his back. He's getting up. And you see this guy
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: just fighting. I love the fucking guy who just fucking fights.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And so I put these things in as reminders that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to fucking suffer, man. This fucking. 25, man,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: this is... Man, you're going to have to fucking suffer
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to go from this fat, insecure motherfucker to one of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the best guys on the planet Earth. This journey is
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: going to take something that is going to be incomprehensible
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to most people. And these different... visualizations, how I visualize
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in my self-talk, it became so nasty and dirty that
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I almost liked the fact that I went. 25. So
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: it became from being defeated to like, man, all right, motherfucker,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: maybe tomorrow I'm going to go. 75. It just became
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: this different mindset. I turned negatives into positives. So I
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: would take it like, who would even think about doing this?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So I would sit at my couch saying, who at
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: 297 who can't fucking swim that great, who's scared of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the fucking water, would have the fucking balls, who had
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the balls to fucking man up, quit a job, and
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: go and just put everything on himself. So it's how
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I started talking to myself. And put myself in a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: whole different category and that would fuel me the next day.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And I just kept using that as fuel and fuel.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: No one would do this shit. No one would do
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: this shit. You're the baddest motherfucker around. You're the baddest
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: motherfucker to ever live. And I just kept fueling me
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with the right kind of message that I needed to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: hear that I was never telling myself. And through time,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: it became reality to myself.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So... You start out on the first day, and then
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: do you start running again the second day?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the second day, we're right back after it again.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But I started realizing I can't run that far. Right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So what I did was I became damn near a
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: professional cyclist with the miles I put on the bike.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So I never... Whenever I watched TV... I had to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: be doing something. So I was riding a bike. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: rode a bike a lot to lose the first initial
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: kind of weight because my bones were just hurting so bad.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: My body was just broken. And I learned to get
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: over that also. And I tried to swim a lot.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I wasn't a great swimmer, but putting fins on kind
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of equalized my body. I wasn't so negative buoyant. So
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I started finning a whole bunch. And I spent hours
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in the pool, hours in the pool, trying to get
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: more and more comfortable. Not because I was going underwater.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I was so scared of the water that I had
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to live in the water. I had to become one
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: with the water. So going to the pool used to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: scare me. So I went to the pool an awful,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: awful lot. And then the bike got easier. I was
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: able to run more. I went from like one mile.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: One mile is a great accomplishment. Two miles. And then
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: from two to three was a big one. Then I
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: went from three to six. And then like they have
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: a warning order that they give people to get ready
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: for buds. And the whole thing was running six miles
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: five days a week. And that was my goal. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: so I just kept, I failed, I go back to scratch.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I used some positive motivation. I have like one day
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: where I'm like fucking defeated. But I started realizing this
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is part of the process. This is part of the journey.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I had to realize this is part of my process
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: versus just saying, like I used to, I'm just not
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: good enough. If I'm not good enough, we always say
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that shit. I'm just not good enough. And then we
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: try something else. I'm going to fucking make myself good enough.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And that became my mentality. I'm going to make myself
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: good enough. And so I misunderstood a lot. But that's
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: all it came down to. I made myself good enough.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And the days I couldn't run that far, the next week,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I would do two a days. So on the running,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: if I ran a quarter of a mile, I'd wait
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a fucking couple hours. It'd haunt me, bother me. I'd
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: try to run a half a mile the next time.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Same day. You can do more than this. If I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: had to walk, I had to walk. It just became
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: just a process of grinding and grinding. And grinding is
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: not even a good word for it. It's not even
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a good word for it. and just going further and further.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And then when I got through running, I'd go to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the bike, I'd go to the pool. If I got
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: tired somewhere, my legs were tired, I'd go to the gym.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And I developed this crazy workout where I was doing volume,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: like two, 300 reps of very light weight. People always say,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: how come you don't have any loose skin? My workout
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: routine in the gym became sick. It became sick. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was just doing 200, 300 reps, 400 reps on my chest,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: just like for one simple exercise, the bench press. And
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I'd rack it, get back on it, just rep it out,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: trying to burn as many calories as I can, build
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that muscle mass. And I just became obsessed with it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So when you... doing this, are you worried at all
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: about repetitive stress injuries or the fact that your body's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: not conditioned for this? And you're basically taking your body
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: where you had abused it, and now you're forcing it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to live like an elite athlete.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Right. I didn't care. I didn't know any better. I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: didn't think about it. Wow. I didn't know anything. that
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: working out that hard would fuck you up.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Did it fuck you up?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's one reason why I went through three
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: hell weeks. So I don't talk about it a lot,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: but the stress of my life getting to 24 caused
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: me to have some serious psoas issues. I didn't know
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: anything about this shit. The psoas muscle is what we use.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It's your hip flexor muscle. And basically under stress, it
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: starts to tighten up. And I stuttered from the time
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I was in third grade, the time I was in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: seventh grade, white blotches on my skin, I was a nutcase.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And so the insides of me are also getting fucked up.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So in this process, my psoas muscle got real tight
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to my T12. I can show you the bump in
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the back of my head after this show is over,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: but I started growing this fucking large tumor-looking bump in
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the back of my head from my body compressing. So
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I'm 6'1, but my muscles were like 5'9. Because I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: just started, the muscle tightness from my psoas going to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: my T12, I was just getting tighter. My quads, everything
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: getting tired from just stress, just stress in my life.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So the more I stressed my body with the workouts,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: my lower body became out of balance. So I had
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stress fractures, a bunch of injuries going
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: through buds. And how I got through buds was they
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: gave me my third time was my last time going
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: through health week. I basically put a black sock on
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: at four o'clock in the morning and I would get
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: duct tape. I had I had numerous stress fractures on
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: both of my legs because my body was literally like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: coming in on itself. And my legs were like, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was pronating it really bad and putting stress on my shins.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And so I would put duct tape. I would duct
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: tape my feet and I would show you the top
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: of them where I have pressure ulcers that were the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: size of quarters from, you know, how the ankle joint.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: So the foot goes to the shin and how you
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: move this where the tape was so tight, it just
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: created a nice ulcer. right there, and I just kept
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: going through it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: So you just used that tape to just support your ankles?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Right, so I basically cast myself, and for the first 30,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: 45 minutes, the pain was excruciating, but then it would
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: go numb, and I would go numb, and then that's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: how I got through.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Wow. Did that do any long-term damage?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been out for five years. So I retired
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: from the, I did 21 years in the military. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: did time in the Air Force and I did about
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: 16 years in the Navy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: How old are you?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: 43.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you're 30.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You really, you look very young for your age.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Whenever I'm stressed, I get after it. I fix whatever's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: bothering me. So I, basically over the last five years,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: everything I've done in my life, I did it being
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: very unhealthy. Okay. I'd never talked about it. I just
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: kept going. And it cost me pretty much, I was
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: choking my insides out. Adrenal issues, tons of adrenal issues,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: thyroid issues, anything with the endocrine system pretty much shut
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: down on me. My organs were pretty much shutting down.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And I went from a guy who could run 205
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: miles to a guy who couldn't get out of bed.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And the doctors were trying to search what was wrong.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's when I figured out the psoas muscle. No one
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: figured it out. And I hit it by accident. So,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I've missed two days of stretching out in five years.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And so what happened was all the shit I did
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to myself, the stress I was under, physical, mental, all
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: kind of shit, it just choked me out from the inside.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And doctors put me on all kind of medications. And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the medication started doing the exact opposite.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: What kind of shit?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I was on DHEA. I was on some different things
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: for my estrogen, different things for my... I was on
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: anything to do with your endocrine system. Thyroid medicine. Good God.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I was on cortisol, all kind of shit to get
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: my stuff... I had like this lump in my throat
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: from like the heart was always, I couldn't run down
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the street. My body was just jacked up. Couldn't sleep.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: My whole body was just down, shutting down. I could
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: give you a lot more than that, but just to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: give you an example, I was fucking dying. And so
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do anything. I went from a guy who
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: was this guy to a guy who can't do shit.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And doctors were like, I don't know what's wrong with you, man.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You know, your labs are this. Is it PTSD? What's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: going on? I knew it wasn't any of that shit.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So I sat in the bed one day and I realized, man,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: my life is over. This is it. But it gave
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: me time to reflect on everything I had accomplished. I'd
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: never taken time to reflect on the kid I was
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to the man I am now. So honestly, the time
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I wasn't working out, it was the best time of
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: my life because I got a chance to really reflect
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: back and be proud of who I became. I never
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: took time to do that. It was like one after another.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck after it. Get after it. Get after it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: You ain't good enough. Get after it. Get after it. And, um,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I got halted. So anyway, this process went on for
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a while. More medication. This isn't working. That's not working.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: No doctor can figure it out. I'm like, fuck it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I saw this doc about eight years before this happened.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And he was like, hey, man, you're so fucking tight.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody in my life as tight as you.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: You need 50,000 hours of stretching. He threw out some
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: crazy number. I was like, whatever. Stretching, you know, stretch.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Stretching is bad for you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: You thought stretching was bad for you?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stretching was bad for me, man.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Why did you think that?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I read some article. You know, man, fuck stretching, man.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I worked out so hard. I didn't have time to stretch, man.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I was running 150 miles a week. I was biking
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to work, man. I was getting after it, man. I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: was working a full-time job. And stretching and doing that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So my body was literally getting tighter and tighter, not
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: just from what I was doing. Oh, because you ran this. No,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that, man. And so I said, you know what?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to stretch out. So I don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: do anything for like 10 minutes or, you know, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: don't do no six minute abs bullshit. So I started
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: stretching out one hour, hour and a half. Long story short, man,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I shaved my head almost every morning. And that bump
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that was on the back of my fucking head, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: started realizing it was shrinking for some fucking reason. I
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: don't know why, because I shaved my head back and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's getting smaller. The smaller that bump got,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the healthier I got. The smaller that bump got, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, hold up, motherfucker. What's going on? That
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: psoas muscle started getting more and more stretched out, more
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and more relaxed. And over a period of five years,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I'm in the best shape of my damn life right
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: now from stretching out.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That's all it was. I went from like, I can't
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: even count the medications I was on. Now I'm on
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: a very low dose thyroid pill, period.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do yoga?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: All the time, man. All the time. And if I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: were to tell somebody one thing right now, man, that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: psoas muscle and getting that hip flexor opened up, Because
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: we're all stressed the fuck out. It's so much worse
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: than others. It changed my life.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you say Nick Gregorius? How do you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: say his last name? The Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt from England.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: The Greek fella. He has a great quote about yoga.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: He said, yoga is a martial art you do against yourself. Yep.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It's a great way of putting it.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's what it feels like when you're in there, right?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: 100%. And so you....
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: How many years ago was this? It was five years ago?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Five years ago. Where you couldn't do anything? And how
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: long was there a period where you couldn't work out
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: There was about, so I always tried to do something,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: but I couldn't run hardly at all. I could run
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: maybe half a mile and all that heart shit would
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: happen and my heart would get AFib and all kinds
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of stuff would happen. And I started just stretching and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: also I tried to do pull-ups every now and then,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: but everything was just, I didn't have the energy. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: didn't have anything. I mean, nothing was processing right for me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So did you think that you had just broken your
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: body because you pushed it too hard?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: 100%. I sat back in that bed that night, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of time to reflect. I said,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you know what? I was actually kind of proud of
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: myself in a very sick, twisted way. Even though people
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: don't understand it, I had to do what I had
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to do. And I did it. I didn't tell you
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: how I got into ultra running. There's a lot of
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: things that... I pushed it extremely hard. I went way
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: beyond what I thought was capable. Like my first ultra
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: race I did, I was heavier. I was in Iraq.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You know, the Marcus Luttrell lone survivor. I was in buds.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I was in three hell weeks, as you know, as
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I said a million times. And I knew a lot
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of guys that died in the operation. I was at
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: free fall school with Morgan Luttrell, who was his twin brother,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: during the Operation Red Wings, where Marcus Luttrell was the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: lone survivor. I knew Marcus Luttrell well. And I was
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: about 200 some odd pounds. And I didn't run hardly
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: at all at this time. I was a SEAL, but
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I was like a bodybuilder. And I did elliptical trainer
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes on Sunday. That's all I did. That's all
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I did. Fuck that cardio stuff. I was never about
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it until this happened. So that happened. And I was like, man,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I got to find a way to raise money for
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: these families. So I Googled the, I found a foundation,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Special Operations Warrior Foundation. And I Googled the 10 hardest
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: races in the world. I knew nothing about ultra running.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: The first I'd ever run was 20 miles at one time.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And so what came up was the Badwater 135. 135-mile
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: run through Death Valley in the summertime. I thought it
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: was a fucking stage race. I didn't know people could
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: run 135 miles at one time. I had no idea
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: it was even possible.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: What do you mean a stage race?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Where you run like 20 miles, camp out, and then
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: run 20 more until you get 135 miles.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: So I wanted an ultra runner to know what an
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: ultra runner was I called the race director up Chris
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Costman of the Badwater and he said are you an
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: ultra runner and I was like I don't know what
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that is he goes have you run 100 miles in
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: 24 hours or less I was like no but I
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: said I'm a Navy SEAL I was in three hell
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: weeks I was a ranger I gave him some resume
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: he didn't give a shit he said I don't care
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you gotta qualify for my race And the deadline was
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: up in two months for this Badwater race. And basically,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: he said, there's two more races you can do to qualify.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And I might consider you in my race. We select
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the top 90 athletes in the world. And you're not
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: even an ultra runner. But I like your cause. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: like what you're doing. He said, I'll call him up
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: on a Wednesday. And he goes, there's a race on
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Saturday in San Diego. San Diego one day where you
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: run around a one-mile track for 24 hours. See how
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: many miles you can get. If you get 124 hours,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I will consider you in my race. I did the math,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: 14-some minute mile. Fuck it, I can do that. Dumb
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: shit thinking, I'll tell you that right now. It was rough.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Worst thing I've been in my entire life was this race.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: So I have my wife at the time, she's now
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: my ex-wife. We go to Walmart, get a blue lawn chair,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Ritz crackers, and MilePlex. That's what I'm going to have
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: for a 100-mile run. So show up at the start
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: line of this race. It was the AUA National Championships.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: It's like the best ultra runners compete against each other
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: To see how many miles you can get in 24 hours.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm this big bodybuilder looking guy with his shirt off.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: How much did you weigh back then?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I would say I was at least 230.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: At least.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It may have been more.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Than jacked.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was ripped the fuck up. Big old chest.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I was jacked up. There's a picture of me.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: You definitely didn't look like someone who could run 100 miles.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Not at all. So basically, I start running. And I
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: get to about mile 40, mile 50. And I'm feeling
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: pretty good. I get to mile 70 and it was
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the worst pain in my life. I sat down in
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: this blue lawn chair at mile 70 and my, the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Ritz crackers after mile 20 became Ritz cracker balls. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't hydrate incorrectly. I didn't know what to do. I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: was drinking mild plex for my nutrition because I couldn't
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: eat these Ritz crackers, have very minimal water, if any
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: at all. And I was just dying. So I sat
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: down in this blue lawn chair and As I was
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: watching all these runners go around in this circle, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: was all dizzy and lightheaded. Hadn't gone to the bathroom.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It's been about 12 hours. I went 70 miles in
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: about 12 hours, which is good. And I looked at
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: my ex-wife now, and I was like, I am fucked.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I started seeing like three of her. And once my
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: body stopped, my mind just went off. And I had
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom. And the bathroom was like
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: 20 feet away from me, if that. And I couldn't.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And so I sat there and peed blood down my
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: leg and started crapping up my back with 30 miles
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to go. And my feet were broken. I was just
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in the worst shape. Because once you stop running, not
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: running like that. I mean, I hadn't run in almost
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a year. I was just doing bodybuilding stuff and 20
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: minutes on the elliptical trainer.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: No running at all.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I probably ran no shit, no shit, no more than
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: 50 miles the whole year. That wasn't my thing. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to be like Jack. I didn't want to be
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: cardio guy. I wanted to be ripped, big, Navy SEAL guy.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And the day before this race, it's funny, this guy
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: named Joe Burns who put me through my whole weeks,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a SEAL guy, he's one of the hardest guys out there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: He was in the gym the Friday before I did
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: this race. And he was doing a full body squats, deadlifts,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: power cleans. I said, fuck it, man. He's a guy
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that proved me to do this race. He gave me
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the approval to go do this race and signed off
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: on it. So I'm in the gym. I went in
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: there and did a full body, hardcore squats, deadlifts, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: everything with this guy. Because I knew he was going
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to come watch me in this race. So I've always
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: been about, all right, man, you're going to see me
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: come in here and jack this weight, and tomorrow you're
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: going to watch me do a 100-mile run. What are
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you going to think about that? So basically, I paid
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: for it. so he came out there with my favorite thing, chocolate,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you know, mini donuts, because he knew my story of
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: my past life, and brought the six mini donuts out there,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and I had my hat pulled down, and at mile 70, man,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it was torturous, and with blood down my leg, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: 30 miles to go, I started reaching the cookie jars, man,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I started pulling off all kind of stuff, I reached
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: in my mind, and A lot of us, when we
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: have bad times in life, even the hardest person in
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the world, we forget how badass we are during that
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: hard time. I have a thing where I take a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: couple seconds to reflect on. Hang on, man. You've been
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: through this. You've been through that. You overcame this, overcame that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I don't ever close my mind to the fact that
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: this can't be done. And I knew I had to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: get up. I needed nutrition. I needed hydration. I needed
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to stop being dizzy. So that's the first thing I did.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't panic on I had 30 more miles to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: go to get 100. I started about to process. Slowly
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: but surely, I was able to stand up and I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: was literally hobbling around this track, just walking. No running
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: at all. I couldn't run. My feet were in the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: worst pain. This is the worst pain I've been in
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: my entire life. Nothing in any training is even comparable
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to this last 30 miles. And what happened was my
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: ex-wife looked at me and she's like, man, we agreed
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make the time. I was going
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: way too slow. And at that time, at mile 81,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: something clicked. that I'll never probably be able to do
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: again when my mind, body, spirit, soul, everything just connected.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And my mind knew I wasn't fucking around anymore. It
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: knew I wasn't going to quit. It knew that guy
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: was dead and buried and gone. And I was going
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: to die out here on this fucking Walmart for whatever
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: reason why I was going to get through this motherfucker.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't give a damn. There was no fucking crowds.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: There was no trophy at the end. I wasn't even
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: in a race in my mind. It was nothing. It
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't about nothing. There was no nothing. It was a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: bunch of people who didn't know who the fuck I was.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: And it was me against me. And I used all
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: these different dark places to start bringing out light and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: just fucking going deeper and deeper. Ended up running the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: next 20 miles. I ran 101 miles. And I ran
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the next 20 miles, ran, at about a 10-30 pace.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And I did 101 miles in 18 hours and 56 minutes.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Sat back down in that blue... port-a-potty now my chair
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that got from Walmart and that's when the body realized
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I was done and this great feeling came over me
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: but also the worst pain in my life I that's
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: when I took a humongous shit on myself literally like
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I like a fucking log up my fucking back pissed
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: so much blood down and my wife was she was
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: a nurse and she was freaked out I couldn't get
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: up I couldn't stand up she backed this Camry on
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the knoll of the grassy area I was at And
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: we were both lifters at the time, so she was
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: decently strong. I put my arms around her neck. She
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: got me to the backseat of the car, let the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: windows down, kind of smelled like horrible shit. And I
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: had this poncho on because it was November in San Diego,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: so I'm sitting there, jackhammer in the back of this car.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: And she was terrified. I need to get to the doctor.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I need to get to the doctor. So I said,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: just take me home. So we lived on the second
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: story or the second deck of this apartment complex in
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: San Diego. I got to the first deck, so I
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: get out of the car and I could stand up,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: but with my arms around her neck. So I was
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: just leaning down because I was going to pass out.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I got to the first deck, went down, just couldn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: stand up anymore. Got around her neck, worked up my
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: way up the railing, got my arms around her neck again,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: walked to the kitchen area, which was right in the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: front door. I was laying on the poncho liner, crap
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: was everywhere. I managed, she helped me manage to get
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: into the tub, And it was like dirt was coming
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: out of my penis. This looked horrible. Just the grossest
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: thing in the world. It was the worst pain I
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: could ever, ever, ever be in in my life. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the craziest thing, I'll tell you a story because it's
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: right now. I'm not sadistic. I'm not crazy. People may
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: think that. They may want to put a title on
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: me after hearing me because it makes them feel better.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Because they think, wow, this guy must be some special
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: or just fucked up crazy dude.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I'm a guy that came from nothing. Anybody's capable of
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: doing shit like this. Anybody. Anybody. And I sat in
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that tub. She put the water on me. She called
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: my mom up. And my mom was dating a doctor
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: at the time. The doctor said, you need to get
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: him to a hospital now. She came back in. All
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do was call Chris Costner on the phone,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the race director of Badwater, and said, I fucking did it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: So she said, I'm taking you to the doctor. I said, no,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: let me sit here and enjoy this pain. She said,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I said, you know, I go,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I need to go to the doctor. I realize that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: But I never thought it was humanly possible to do
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: what I did. I went 70 miles. And at 70 miles,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I was dead. I was at 100% what I thought
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: was 100%. I went 31 more miles after being in
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the worst physical shape I've ever been in in my life.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: And all that pain and suffering and things was going
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: through my fucking body. And I sat in that tub
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and the wires hit me. And it was the most...
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: amazing feeling of accomplishment. And I want to be numb.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I want people to give me drugs in the, in
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the numbness fucking pain. I wanted to, I did this
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: over as crazy as it sounds. It was the most
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: amazing moment of my entire life to overcome such, to
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: come from this kid who was mentally torched himself and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: was tortured. It's all to this kid, to this guy
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: now who was able to overcome such amazing odds and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: obstacles and, And I called Chris Cosmo, the race director
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of Badwater, and he said, the idea of a 24-hour
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: race is to run 24 hours. hours. You only ran 19.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And he put doubt in my mind that he would
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: let me into Badwater. So a month later or so,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: about a month and a half later, I went to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: this race called the Hurt 100. It's a 100-mile race
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: in Hawaii, 26,000 feet of climbing.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: That was all he said?
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: That's all he said.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a hardcore dude, but he didn't know
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: how fucked up I was. Right. And he said, he
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: didn't say, you know, he didn't say, no, I'm not
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: gonna let you in. He put enough doubt in my
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: mind and say, man, I got to do more. So
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I was broken. I was broken bad. And like.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: How long did it take you to recover physically?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: The funniest thing about this, I don't tell that story
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: very often. I had signed up for, I'm getting to
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that answer. It's right now. I went on deployment and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: me and my wife and my mom signed up for
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the first Las Vegas marathon down the strip of Las Vegas.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And that incident happened. So I ran 100 miles before
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I ran a marathon. Two weeks later, roughly December 5th,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: was this marathon that we all signed up for. I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: couldn't walk. I could not walk. I was fucked up. So...
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: 10 days or 2 weeks after this 100 mile in
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: one race I did this marathon December 5th in Las
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Vegas I said you know what it's the first one
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I can't run maybe I can walk with my mom
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: so I tried to go out to this little knoll
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: around our grassy area in San Diego I tried to
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: run legs were broken I said fuck I can't even
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I'm jacked can't do shit so I said you know
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: what maybe I'll watch you guys do the marathon and
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'll cheer you guys on whatever and I said I'll
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: try to walk with my mom December 5th happened. That
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: gun went off. 2005, 14 days after, I broke myself off.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And I qualified for the Boston Marathon. I ran a 308.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: And what's funny about it, I know people are here
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to say this motherfucker. Even when I tell you the story,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I want to drop so many names.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Google it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Look it up. I don't give a fuck. It almost
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: seems like I'm making my own story up. It does.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: It almost seems like it to you?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: It does. Like when I tell it, if I were
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: to hear somebody, like let's say I listen to, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: listen to your Joe Rogan's podcast. I heard some black
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: dude from fucking Brazil in the end talking about, this happened,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: this happened, three hell weeks, ran to school, ran a
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: hundred miles, broke my feet, broke my body. I'm like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: this mother, he's the biggest fucking liar on the planet.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody doing that shit. Even when I tell my story,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It almost sounds like some made-up shit.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: What sounds so crazy is you ran 100 miles before
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you ever ran a marathon. Then you didn't run again
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: at all, and you still qualified for the Boston Marathon.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: So you ran a 308 for the first marathon you
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: ever did, two weeks after you ran 100 miles with
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: no training and nothing in between.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: But it gets better than that. You can see my
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: training log that I actually posted up. So that's when
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I started training for... The Hurt 100. So basically what
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: happened was after that, I had about four weeks.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: What did it feel like to run that. 308 if
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you could barely walk?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: When that gun went off, something went off in my head.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: And I didn't feel that much pain at all. Afterwards,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I did. But something happened where I was like, the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: gun went off and that thing came back. Like, all right, man.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: What if.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Because I wanted to qualify for Boston. That was my goal.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: But I was jacked up. And I didn't run as
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: much as I should have at all over my Iraq training.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I hit the weights. But my goal was, when I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: signed up for it a year early, I wanted to
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: qualify for Boston, which was a 310.59. And I was like,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: what if you can qualify for Boston, man? So what
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: helped me out, I just ran 101 miles. what the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: fuck is 26 miles to me now? So the mindset
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: going into it was like, I ran 75 more miles
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: in this. So I used it to my advantage. So
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: after that happened, I ran with my feet pretty much broken.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I would go to the physical therapist and they had
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: this compression tape. Compression tape helped because my feet were
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: pretty bad off. And I would run 70, 80, 100
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: mile weeks. And then I went to the Hurt 100,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: racing Hawaii, 26,000 feet of climbing over 100 miles. Probably
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: one of the top five hardest 100-mile races in the world.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I wasn't even a real runner. I had banked a
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: lot of miles by the last two and a half,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: about two months. But I wasn't a runner. Went out
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: there and got through the race. Did it in 33 hours.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Was the ninth place finisher. Not many people finished that year.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And I qualified for Badwater and got in. And I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: went on to lose weight. And trained hard, and I
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: got fifth my first year and went back my second
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: year and got third.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: When you say you lost weight, what were you eventually weighing?
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: So I went to the race about 190, 195.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: So you lost quite a bit from your bodybuilding time.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: That's over a short period of time.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Right. How did you lose all that weight? Once again,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I just worked out hard. I stopped taking my protein
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: so much. I got off. I was on this stuff
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: called Nitrotec. And I got off all the protein stuff.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I just started. I stopped hitting the weights so hard.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And I just became a running fool. Became the Black
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Forest Gut Man, pretty much. Pretty simple, man. That's what happened.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Now, when you say you were using compression tape on
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: your feet and that your feet were jacked up, what
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: was the extent of the injuries?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So basically, because of my pronation that I never figured
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: out because of my psoas muscles, I always had issues
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: with stretch fractures, shin splints. So I put a lot
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: of pressure on the inside of my ankles. And so
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: there's this tendon that goes up the backside of your,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's your fibula, or the backside
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: of that little bone, or the backside of your foot.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: It goes right alongside that bone. And that thing was
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: just so flared up on both sides that even this
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: flexing my foot was just killing me. So I realized
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: when you cast that thing up, casting my feet always
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: helped me out because it locked my foot into a
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: position that wouldn't make me pronate as much. So between
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the casting of that, and if you watch the Badwater
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: video of 2006, you'll see me crossing the finish line
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: with this compression tape, literally like flying on my ankles
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: because I went to the race with compression tape on
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: my ankles. And so basically, I'd have that on my ankles.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I had inserts in my shoes and also this wedge
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: on the back heel of my left foot So then
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: it would keep me from pronating that heel so much.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: So I had all that on just to go run.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And I ran my ass off and went to Badwater
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: 2006 with compression tape on my feet and walked a lot,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: but I got third place.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Do you always run with regular running shoes?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah. So now I don't have those issues anymore.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: All the stretching has opened my body up to how
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: it should have been. So my alignment is pretty good.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: It's not perfect. So now I just run in regular
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: running shoes now. No more compression tape, no more none
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: of that stuff. So if you see now, if you
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: look down there, you'll see the compression tape. And you'll
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: see my ex-wife here in a second taking the compression
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: tape off of me. She's doing it right now. See
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: her right now? Yeah. See the tape? Yeah. So that's
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the tape right there that I had to wear every
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: day of my life to run.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: So as you see, the story may be kind of unbelievable,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: but there's some proof right there. Fuck, man.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: That was so painful.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pretty fucked up. As you see right now,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: me trying to get up. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: destroyed right there.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: What is the most amount of miles you've ever run?
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: At one time?
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: 205 in 39 hours.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Yep, nonstop.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had quite a few people on. I've met
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: quite a few people now over the last year or
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: so that have run ultras. Courtney DeWalter, you know who
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: she is? She won the Moab 230. Yeah, I heard
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: about her. 240, rather.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Heard about her.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she beat all the men by 22 miles, something
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like that. Some crazy thing. She was first place winner.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: She beat everybody else.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: That's sick.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Second place winner. And with her, I mean, you would
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: never believe it. When you talk to her, she seems
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: so normal.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: She drinks beer and eats nachos and eats candy.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: That's ultra on her, man.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: She's just silly and she's fun.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And there's no demon there.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: No.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like waiting to meet a demon. Right. You know?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, where's your demon?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, how are you getting through that?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Her demon's a quiet demon.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: It's there. It has to be there.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: There's something there.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It has to be. There's no other people that, everybody
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I know that can do that has a demon.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of us don't want to admit to shit. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: We got them.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%. It has to be.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: So when you do this and you qualify and you
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: do that race in Hawaii, they just let you in
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: after that?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: No. So the race in Hawaii, yeah, I actually called
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the race director up and there wasn't like a big time,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: like I didn't have 100 mile race, I believe, as
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I had.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Right. And so, you know, 100 mile, you did the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Boston or you did the Vegas marathon.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I did 100 mile, 101 miles. The Vegas
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: marathon went to hurt 100, did that 100 miler.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: And all this is in a very short amount of time.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So November was the first 100 miler. December was
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the 26 miler in Las Vegas. January was the next
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: 100 mile in Hawaii.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know how fucking crazy that is? Like say
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: if I was your friend and I called you up
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: on October 20th and I go, hey man, how many
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: times you run? You're like, ah, I run every now
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You want to see something crazy? I don't know if
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: you can pull it up or not, but if you
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: can pull up my race schedule for 2007 just pull
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: up david goggins race results you're gonna see something real
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: crazy in a second this ain't this is good and
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: i gotta show you proof because why i know my
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: story doesn't make any sense but just look at the
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: dates of these races and we're gonna show it to
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you in a second it's um Just look at the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: 100 miles and 50 miles back-to-back weekends, how many weekends
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: there were between races. So if you look right here,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you can't really see it. So if you look at 2007,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: you got to go all the way down. Keep on going, 2007.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: See all those races there? Okay, get to right there.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: So 100-miler Hawaii. Oh, Jesus Christ. Two weeks later, three
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: weeks later, another one. That's 50-miler. 50-miler Hawaii. a month later.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Then you're looking at, what, 14 days later, another 50K.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: 50 miler a month later. Then you look at less
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: than a month, another 50 miler. 53 miler in June.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: July was another 100 miler. Badwater was literally, Badwater was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a month after I did that 100 miler, 135 miler.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Leadville was less than a month after Badwater. The Plain
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: 100 was three weeks after Leadville. Angel's Crest was 10 days,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: a week after that 100 miler. The Bear 100 was, what,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: 13 days after that 100 miler? Jesus Christ. And then
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I ran the 200, it said 203.5, but I didn't run,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: it was 205 miles I ran there. But what's not
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in there was that McNaughton race I did in 2000,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: so that 150 mile race. I also did in 2007
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: that wasn't listed. So that was just my 2007 year.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think that is what fucked your body up?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: No. Because I still run the same mileage now. What
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: fucked my body up was Hell Week.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You don't go through three Hell Weeks in
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: one year. So what happened was when I realized that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: my body was really jacked up was I was a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: big-time squatter. Loved squatting. And... I went through the first
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: hell week, got messed up. Second hell week, I got
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: all the way through. Then third hell week, I got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: all the way through. And my third hell week, we
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: had a guy die on Thursday. And then that hell week,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: and I graduated. How did he die? Pulmonary edema. It
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: was cold. His name was John Skopp. Cold as fuck
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: hell week. The Pacific Ocean was never warm. And it
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: rained the whole time. The whole time it just rained.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And he pretty much just drowned in his own fluid
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: pretty much. We were in the pool doing some evolution.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: He sunk to the bottom. His temperature was hot. He
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: missed a lot of Hell Week for getting pulled out
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: for different stuff. He wouldn't go quit. And he ended
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: up dying in Hell Week. But, yeah, so anyway, after
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Hell Week ended, I wanted to go back to the gym.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: You know, so second phase happened, dive phase. Like, I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: could get back in the gym, start jacking my weight.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I love jacking weight. And I realized I couldn't squat.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: So I went from squatting a lot to where I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: couldn't even squat the bar because my lower back was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: all fucked up. And I was like, I don't know
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: what's going on. It was cause this, this muscle. So
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: in hell week, your hip flexors are so, and I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: went through so many of them so fast. And so
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: the hardest part of buds, I went through three times, not,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: not the hell week part. That's one of the hardest parts,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: but it was the initial part of the, where everybody
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: sees on TV, the log PT, the surf torture, the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: dad gone boats over your head, law, all that shit.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I went through that person three times in one year. And, um,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Over a period of time, my hip flexors got so
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: tight that it just jacked me up. It jacked me
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: up for my hip flexors. So always being so cold
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and so stressed out and everything led up to it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: But this really was the part that I noticed I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: could squat before Hell Week or before my first time
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: going to Bud's. After Bud's, I couldn't squat anymore.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Do you just think it might just be because your
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: body was exhausted?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: No. For 12 years, I would go back and tough
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: it out. Like with Joe Burns, he would squat. So
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I said, fuck, I'm going to squat with Joe Burns.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: But I just couldn't squat because that muscle was attached
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: to your T12.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: So what was it doing to you?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Was it locking up? It was just pulling. So it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: made my hips feel like I couldn't sink my ass.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I couldn't sink. So it was just incredible pain. And
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: then with the weight pushing me down and then trying
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to push up, The pain was just too much.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So this is all range of motion issues.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: All range of motion issues, yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's an important thing. For my friend Cam Haynes,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: who doesn't stretch, he's another friend of mine who runs
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: ultra races. He ran that Moab 240. He's run the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot 205. He's run a few of those.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I know he's listening. Go stretch, dude.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, support, man.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're working that hard, right? If you're doing
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're definitely locking up.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: He could barely touch his toes.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a good thing.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: That's not good, right?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: It comes back to hurt you inside pretty soon.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Now, how flexible are you now? Because I would imagine
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you're probably a fucking ballerina at this point because knowing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: your brain.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get there. I'm trying to get there,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: so I stretch every night for at least two hours.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: There's a thing that people say that always piss me
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: off because I'm pretty flexible. They say, oh, you're naturally flexible.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: People have a natural threshold. They're like, No, they don't.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Like a doctor told me that. I go, you don't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I'm like, you don't know
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about because most people don't push themselves
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: past that pain, that stretch pain.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Right. People want to put a title on you, man.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: It's easier for them. Oh, you're just fucking natural.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: You're natural.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: No, you don't work hard enough, motherfucker.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People built like chimps aren't usually flexible.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: You have to force yourself to do that.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And I know it because I had a friend, my
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: friend Tom Radogna. He was a football player. Jack, big,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: thick dude. Terrible flexibility. He was taking Taekwondo with me.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And over the course of a couple years, I saw
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: that dude eventually develop a full split.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: And he just did it through his mind. Everybody else
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: was done training. That guy would be on the mat.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Constantly stretching always working out because he had built his
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: body up so strong for all those years of squatting
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and lifting Yep, that he just you know, he was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: all tense. Everything was just like this super powerful, right?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: But all like very tense.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I stopped, you know, that's why I never
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: stretched because I wanted that strength Yeah, yeah, you want
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that tight muscle, but no, I don't think it is stupid.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're not supposed to stretch before you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: do big physical activities because I think it does like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: weaken you somewhat and But I don't think being flexible
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: overall makes you weaker.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Not at all. Yeah. Not at all.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: What certainly doesn't for martial arts because you need that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: flexibility to have leg dexterity to be able to kick.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: It's got to be fluid where it's not tightened up
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: by the restriction of the motion of your body.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: I get it. It's truth.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I just think people are, for whatever reason, and I'm
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: one of those, I drone on too much about yoga.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like one of those vegans. It's like, You got
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to do it, man.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Just try it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I get annoyed. Like a born-again Christian or something.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I'm getting that way now, man. I'm getting that way now.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: For anybody who does anything hard, like if you do
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: anything like weightlifting type shit or martial arts type shit
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: where it's just everything's explosion. It's lifting.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: It's heavy.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: It's push, push, push. Yoga just will balance your shit out.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it will.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: It really will, man. And it's all these people that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: resist it. Like there was some article recently that was
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: something along the lines of hot yoga is just trendy nonsense.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I read that. And then even in the article, it
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: talked about that there might be some benefits in terms
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: of like the strengthening your arteries. And they didn't even
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: mention heat shock proteins. There's a study going on right now.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I believe it's at Harvard. One of my friends was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: telling me about it where they're trying to find the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: benefits of 90-minute hot yoga classes. Because they think it
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: might mirror the observed benefits of sauna, which they already
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: know for a fact has big benefits because of your
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: body producing heat shock proteins to deal with the heat.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: That's why I put that sauna in here, man. I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: go in that fucker all the time.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Well, no one can tell me it doesn't work.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: It's big.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: It's proof positive. It changed my life. It wasn't a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: medication or this or that. It was stretching.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: It was yoga, stretching, all that stuff combined changed it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I just think it balances out your body in
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: those static poses where you're just holding the pose and,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: It just works you out in a weird way.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: You just don't get lifting weights or hitting the bag
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: or anything else. You're just not going to get that
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: kind of working out.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I can't agree with you more.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And it's so difficult.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. You switch your ass off.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: You're in there with a bunch of housewives and shit,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: and you're like, this is like the silent struggle.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: It's humbling.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows. No, it's humbling. If you see like two doorways, right?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And one of them is like fucking C.T. Ali Fletcher's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: fucking super pump iron addict's gym, which is hard work.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: And then right next to it is the yoga studio.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, once you get done with all that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: hard work, you'll go over to that yoga studio. No,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: there's two different kinds of hard work going on.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: It's no joke.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Two different kinds of hard work.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: So what do you do now in terms of like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: you got over this– Five years ago, you're in this
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: bad situation where your body's not working right. Now everything's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: working great again.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I had two heart surgeries also. Whoa. Yeah. So,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: What was wrong with your heart?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: So I had a hole in it. So, you know,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: you're not supposed to have a hole in your heart
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: and be a SEAL. Were you born with it? I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: was born with it. It went undetected. And me pushing
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: so hard. So in 2009, I was training for this
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: race across America. And I just couldn't go anymore. Another
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: pitfall in my life was the hole. And I was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: pretty much off active duty seal for three years. You know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: I had two hearts. Them trying to fix it. So
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: the hole was significantly large.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Like how big?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: They say it was as big as a quarter. I'm like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: how the hell is it as big as a quarter? Yeah,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty big hole in your heart. Because they
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: had two helix patches. I'm like, that's impossible. The helix patches,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: they're in my heart. So the two stents.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: What is a helix patch?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: It is like a. a little mesh very like what
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: For hernias like something like that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe something like that so they went up through my
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: femoral artery and they placed this patch.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: They go through your artery?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they went through my femoral artery.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Like with a camera?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: No, the camera was down through my throat. Whoa. And
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: they put this catheter through my femoral artery that went
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: to my heart. They went and they took this helix patch,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: they placed it in there, and then they found out
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: six months later that the hole wasn't covered up enough yet.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: And the healer's patch was very damn big. So they
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: go back in there in 2010.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: How does the patch adhere to your heart?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I guess your heart heals around the patch.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: But how do they stick it in place?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I guess they put it where the hole's at, and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: then it kind of like inflates where the hole is at.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: And then that thing goes in there, and then it
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: kind of covers the hole, and then the heart. So
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: there's two things in my heart right now that the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: heart just kind of covered up. Whoa.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so here's it. So there you go. Jamie's got
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: an image of it for us.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: So it's attached to this little probe. Right. And then
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: they put it over the area where the injury is. Wow,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that's insane.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, atrial septum defect that I had. Atrial septal defect. So, basically,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: everything I'd done, I'd done. Thank God for medicine. Oh, shit.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: It's crazy what they could do. I'd be done.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy that they could do that.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I was off active duty for three years. So,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I was in a recruiting area for three years trying
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: to get back on active duty. And that was my
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: life for three years, man.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: So, they put that patch in.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: And now your heart's 100%? It's 100%. It's 100%.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. Yeah. I was losing... You know blood and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: I was this I was a bad off Which.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Is amazing that you were able to do all that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: with a hole in your heart.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: That's what the doctors were saying, you know, because they
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: didn't know I was a seal So I went in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and the doctor that found the hole or he like
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: so they gave me ekgs all this stuff once again Man,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: you it's after I ran like 205 miles, you know, right?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Like man, you're in great shape I'm, like man, I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: just don't feel good Like walking up the stairs is
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: making me jacked up. So The doctor, Doc Shrek, he's like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: you know, gave me EKG. He goes, go to the doctor,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: get an echocardiogram. So I'm in there getting echocardiogram, just
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: chilling out in there. And the guy's talking to me,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: has this little wand in my heart. We're bullshitting about stuff.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: And when people get quiet, that's fucking not good, man.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: So he's in there, just has this wand in my heart,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: chilling out. Yeah, man, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: what's going on? And he says, I'll be right back.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: He goes and gets a doctor. Doctor comes in, puts
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the thing on my heart. The doctor gets another doctor. Now,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just freaking the fuck out. I'm like, okay, because
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: when it comes to your heart, you know, it's a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: big deal. So they come back in, they say, hey,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: we can stop the echocardiogram. I mean, they talk to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you out in the hallway. You have a hole in
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: your heart. And the guy didn't know that I was,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: he knew I was a Navy guy, but I don't
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: think he knew I was a SEAL because not many
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: black guys are SEALs. And he had a conversation about,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: you know, we got to fix this real quick. I said, yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, then I came up, I was the seal.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: He said, man, you could have died jumping. You could
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: have died diving. You could have died and all this stuff.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Cause basically the hole in your heart, if it gets
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: plugged with something like anything, like, you know, let's say
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you get a bubble from diving or something like that,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: you're going to die. Right. So I, I, I call
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: it luck. I call it luck. So I got through
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: two surgeries. They put me back on.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: They give you the first one, and then when do
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: they realize that it's not good enough?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: So they take you back in. You got to get
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: a bubble study, a bubble test. So they literally send
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: bubbles that way, safe bubbles that way, to see if
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: the bubble goes through your heart. So they have this
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: echocardiogram again, and they hook you up, I think, to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: IV or something like that, and they throw these bubbles
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: through your heart, and they see if it goes through.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: After six months, when it should have been healed up
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: The bubble went through. So they had to tell me then, hey,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: we got to, you know, you're not good to go.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: So I had to take a year before I could
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: have another surgery. Because that patch had to be completely,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: completely healed. Before they can go back in.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: But all this time, you knew you had a hole.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Right. So they knew I had a hole because of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the heart surgery. Right.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: But all this time, like when you're waiting for it
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: to heal, you know you have an extra hole.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yes. I know I have a hole. Yes.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: What were you allowed to do with your body then?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Well, at that time, they go, you know, do how
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: you feel comfortable. And so, you know, the hole is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: not going to kill you right now. But you can't dive.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: You can't jump. I pretty much wasn't a SEAL anymore.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: So I was a recruiter for a period of time.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: So basically... I was crazy about that. Before my second surgery,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I was actually training for Delta Force. I wanted to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: go to Delta. And I was rucking, ruck running a lot.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: And before my second... When ruck running, you mean you're
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: running with a pack on? Yeah, a pack on my
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: back with some weight on it.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: How heavy is the pack?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: 50, 60 pounds.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: And you run with that on?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to hike or hump, like ruck humping.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I ran with it. Because, you know, that's what I did. Right.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: So the day of, the day of heart surgery, I
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: did a ruck run.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Because I knew I was going to be out of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: commission for a while. So fuck it, man. I got
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: to get my last one in, dude.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: So all I could do, I have my training log.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: So after my second heart surgery, all I could do
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: was walk. So I became an ultra walker. Wow. Fucking
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: walked my fucking ass off. And over a period of time,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: it took a year for that thing to heal up
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and to heal properly. You know, my first bubble study
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: after my second heart surgery came back negative or positive.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: The bubble went through again.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: And they're going to crack me open.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Over that period of time, my heart healed around that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: thing nicely. And I passed the second bubble test.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: So the first bubble test was how long after? A year?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: It was. So the first bubble test after the first
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: surgery was six months.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And then you had to go through a full six
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: months after that for it to totally heal. Then you
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: have the second heart surgery. And when does the bubble
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: test fail after the second heart surgery?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: It was about six months.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: And they said, and the doctor looked at me and said,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry to inform you, man. We have
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: to crack your chest open the next time they're really
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: getting there. And so I sat back thinking this could
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: be a third heart surgery. And then, um, that one,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they said, we have to wait for six months to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: see if this thing's going to close up.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: And I came back thinking, man, I'm about to get
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: cracked the fuck open. And that bubble, uh, Got pinned up, man. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't go through.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you forced it through with your mind.
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  Speaker 2: I know, right?
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  Speaker 1: Pulls that bitch up. When you're visualizing.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: That's it, man.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: That's something to visualize. Holy shit, man. That is crazy.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: It's crazy you went on a ruck run with a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: hole in your heart, too.
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  Speaker 2: I did it for several years. I said, fuck it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I'm about to keep on going, man.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Now, after all said and done, everything's good now?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm sure something must have popped up
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: in my fucking ass not to do that. You know,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: everything's good right now. I'm always waiting for the next
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: thing to pop up, and I handle it the same way.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: I always attack it. But, yeah, right now I'm in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: the best shape. I'm 43 years old. Just turned 43
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: February 17th. I am in the best shape of my life.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not knocking on wood because life, fuck it, life
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: comes at you, dude. So, fuck knocking on wood. Come
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: at me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would think that you would be a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: go-to guy for injuries.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I've had them all, dude.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I've had them all.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: When you broke the world record for chin-ups, didn't you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: rip your arm apart?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Pull-ups, yeah. So if you pull up the picture, man,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: there's a picture of my hand.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: You'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? Pull-ups are hands out.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hands out.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And chin-ups are hands forward.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Right, hands forward. So I fell twice before I finally
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: got it the third time. And the first time I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: ripped the shit out of my forearm. And then the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: second time, you'll see there's a picture of my hand,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: and it's a third-degree burn. So that's my hand.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus, man. What in the fuck is going on?
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  Speaker 1: It looks like you got bit by a wolf.
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  Speaker 2: So what's funny about that is you see that that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't create after one pull-up. So if you can imagine
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the pain, because you have one contact point.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Like running, you can overcome it because you have these
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: big giant legs and it's different. When you have these
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: little fragile punk ass hands touching the bar, you know,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: imagine 4,030 pull-ups. How many times you're coming on that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: bar coming off? Right. And I weighed 207 pounds at
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: the time. So I was, I was a bigger guy.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like 195 or 185 now. So I was almost,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I was 22 pounds heavier. So I was a lot
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: bigger than I am right there. Bam.
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  Speaker 1: You look pretty sick.
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  Speaker 2: Get that shit, man.
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  Speaker 1: So you were doing it in sets of five?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Sets of five. So as you see, I have these
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: different people who are witnessing you. You have to have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: your number there to make sure that you're, you know,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: qualified for the Guinness Book of World Records. That's 14, 15.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I have a long way to go. I have another 4,015
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: pull-ups to go right there.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And how long did you do this over? 24 hours?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: It was seven. So I broke it at 17.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And I was fucking over it.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: What did it feel like on the last chin up
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: you know what actually.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: There's a video that we have and um i was
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: chasing this guy named stephen highland so this guy named
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: stephen highland had the record and the video is my
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: last three pulls before i broke the record i'm talking
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: so much shit to this motherfucker i'm like hey motherfucker
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: you thought i wasn't going to get it, huh? I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: told you, bitch-ass motherfucker, I'm coming after you. I'm here now.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: It's just me talking shit. It's a cool video, but
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I felt nothing. I was just happy that I didn't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: have to do any more. I did 67,000 pull-ups in
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: nine months in training for a record for 4,000. And
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: the failures, so I did the first time in September,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: failed miserably on the day, so I did 2,588 or
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: some shit like that. Failed miserably for millions of people.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Two months later, November, tried again, failed again. Two months later,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: in January 19th, I finally fucking got it. So after
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: I got it, it wasn't like I'm happy. It was like,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: I ain't got to do more fucking pull-ups anymore.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Roger that.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: That's all it was. I had to fucking check that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: bitch off, man.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: But you were doing them when I got here today.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: You know why? Because now it's a part of me, dude.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: It's a part of me, man. I don't like doing them,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: so we got to get some, we got to knock
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: some out.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: You don't like doing them, so you got to do them.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: That's my whole life.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Isn't it like someone gets drunk on a certain whiskey,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: like if they smell it, they'll get disgusted? Right. Like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Jägermeister or something like that. They smell it and they'll, ugh. Right.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Is that what it's like with you with chin-ups?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: With a lot of things.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: With pull-ups?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: With a lot of things.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: With a lot of things now, right?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I don't like running. I don't like, and people don't
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: believe it, but I was a big guy twice in
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: my life. So hence the reason why I just don't
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: like running, man. It hurts. It's brutal. It sucks going
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: out and I'm going to be gone for two hours
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: or I'm going to be gone for 39 hours.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Running on a one mile track. Fuck. I'm not crazy, man.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: It sucks.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, people put me in this category
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: of you must be some crazy guy who loves it. No, man. No.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: That's why I do it, though. That's the only way
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: to callous your fucking brain, man. It's the only way
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: to get hard in life. People take these classes on
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: mental toughness. Like even seals, you have the class about visualization, self-talk,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: eat an elephant one bite at a time, breathing control. Yeah,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I roger that. You got to put yourself in a
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: hellacious situation. It's a lifestyle. How are you going to react?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: How are you going to react? All that training goes
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: out the fucking door when you're in the fucking cold
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: water and you're fucking miserable and it's the first hour
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: of 130 hours of Hell Week and that first wave
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: goes over your head and you're the coldest you've been
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: in your life and your mind goes from hour one
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: to hour one fucking 30. All that fucking self-talking shit, dude.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: You ain't thinking about getting the fuck out of here.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: But if you live this shit, On a daily basis,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: you know how to calm your mind down. The self-talk
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: will help. All that stuff will help. But usually we react.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: We have pain. We have suffering.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: We react.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: And we react about, get the fuck out of here.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: We got to go. It's those people who are able
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: to control that fucking feeling of fucking flight and say, no, motherfucker.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: There's a way through this. It's not going to be
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: here forever. I'm not cold right now. I went through
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: three of them. I'm not cold now. I'm in a nice,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: warm studio with you. You got to think about that shit.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: The shit's going to end. It's going to end, but
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: we don't know that. We don't think that. At that time,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: it's going to last forever. And then you get to
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: sit back on Friday with everybody walking across the, you know,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: back on the grinder, all the 16, 17, 18 guys
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: that graduated Hill Week. And you get a chance to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: watch these guys victorious. And then you get the chance
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: to think about that. You take that hot, warm shower.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: First thing that comes to your fucking mind is why
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: the fuck did I quit? So what keeps me going?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: I've quit several things. I know what's on the back
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: end of fucking quitting. It's a lifetime of thinking about
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: why the fuck did I do that? And I ain't
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: fucking doing that no more.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: There's something about talking to a guy like you that
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of people hope that you're going to say
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: some magic thing that's going to click in their brain.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants it. And it's going to change who they are. Like,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: what is it?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: What is the thing?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: That's why people go to these self-help... conferences and they
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: take these classes and they hope that someone's going to
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: say something that changes the way their mind works.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious to me. It is.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of hilarious to me too. But what is
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: also hilarious is that what you're saying is that you
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: have to do those things. You have to suffer. You
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: have to live in it. You have to be comfortable
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: in it. And then maybe some of that shit will
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: help you a little bit along the way.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Period. And I went to, I was, when I was
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: a SEAL recruiter, I got invited to MIT. Smart ass
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers there, man. I'm not that. I'm a cigarette animal.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I'm a knuckle dragger. And there was this guy there,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I forget his name, but he was like the top
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: head guy. Old white guy, you know, all geniused out.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: And we were on this panel and they were asking
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: us all these questions about the mind, mental toughness and shit.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: And he was answering them. And I wasn't answering many questions.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: And I'll never forget, he was just answering them off
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: of theory. He never put his fucking ass in shit.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: You read a bunch of fucking books, and you think
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: that you know how the fucking mind works and shit.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I had gone through hell since a kid, and then
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: all the way up until now. So I know, so
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: that theory is bullshit. Yeah, there's a lot of good
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: stuff out there you can read from people, but I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: had lived hell. And when you put yourself in hell,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: that's the only time you can figure out how the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: fuck to get through that motherfucker. You can't read somebody
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: else's book about some theory on how to do shit.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Some guy who sat up in a nice warm office
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: and wrote some book with a nice cup of coffee
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: in the fucking hand. No, I want to see that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: guy who immersed himself in fucking hell. And he thought
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: about quitting and leaving and his wife and his kids.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: And why am I here? Is it worth it? All
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: this crazy shit? It still said and found out a
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: way to get through it. So basically that's the bottom
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: line of it all. We all want to read about
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: how we can quickly get somewhere. That's why the six
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: minute abs and all that other shit is so powerful.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: You may get some results from it, but they're not permanent.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: The permanent result comes from you fucking, I say it
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: all the time, you have to suffer. You have to
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: make that a tattoo on your fucking brain. So when
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: that hard time comes again, you don't forget it. You
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: may forget it for a second, but you can go
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: back in the cookie jar, I call it. It's something
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: that we've all endured. I call it the cookie jar.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: And we often forget how hard we are. But you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: got to reflect back. Take a couple seconds to reflect.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I've been through this. I've been through that. And then
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: remind yourself, I'm a bad motherfucker. And then you can
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: get through that shit. But if you don't believe it,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: You haven't endured shit. You're just blowing smoke, man. And
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get through anything.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: What was this guy saying? What was his theories that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: he was throwing out there?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: His theories was about, I forget exactly what it was,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: but it was something about what the mind does under stress.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: And how we can't. He said how we can't do something.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: And I did it. I did what he said we
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: couldn't do.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: What was he saying you couldn't do?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: It was something about if you're born... If you're born
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: a certain way, you can't become this way. It was
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: totally saying that who I am now, like I had
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: to be born with some, not genetic power or some
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: gift from God, but I had to have some kind
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: of special gift. Had to have some kind of special gift,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: and I forget what set me off, but it was
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: that we had to be, to be somewhere, you had
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: to be born with it, was the concept. And I
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: know what I was born with, and I know the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: battle that I had in my mind. So when he
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: said it, I just sat there looking at my face,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: and somebody in the crowd asked me a question. And
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I totally contradicted everything he said. And I was like, nah, man,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I fucking know for a fact that you
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: can be this fucked up dude, Like really fucked up dude.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: And with the right mindset. It sounds so easy with
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: the right mindset.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound easy. I know what you're saying. It
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: sounds like a simplistic answer. Right.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: You can. You can. But you have to go into
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: those dark chambers that we often shut off. And you
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: got to open them up. You got to open up
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: and fight that fucking demon. Get in there. Talk to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: that motherfucker.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Say what's up.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: And we often take the. We all like to take
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: this four lane highway. The easy highway has fucking signs.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It has restaurants. We all love that four lane highway.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: We always step over the shovel. And all I did
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: was I picked up that fucking shovel. And that shovel,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: I made my own path. And you may have big
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: boulders and shit. They may be getting 200 miles up
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: the road faster than you. But going through this path
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: of life, this journey over here that you make yourself,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: that's incredibly difficult. What comes out the other end of
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: that motherfucker is some glorious shit that you can't even
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: explain to people and we're afraid Bottom line is most
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: of us even the people who have all these theories
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: and shit It's easier to accept the fact that i'm
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: just not good enough I wasn't made to do that.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: And yeah, some of us can't be lebron fucking james
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you right now man We can do
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit when it comes to this pure
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: arm guts and willpower and getting through shit We have
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: a lot more with a lot more than we think
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: we have. Yeah.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: The problem with a guy like that, with his theory
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: is his theories are based on results and those results
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: are based on human beings. And most human beings, there's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: certain people that are born with certain gifts, like a
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: guy like LeBron James, obvious physical talent, you know, John
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Jones and MMA, obvious like physical talent. But there's, when
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: you look at someone who's super successful, you always assume
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: that it has to be because of some sort of
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: physical gifts or Because people look at themselves, and I'm
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: sure this doctor, this old dude, probably had like a
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: little gut. That's exactly how he looked. Little tiny arms
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: and weak shoulders and probably thought, well, there's certain people
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: that are just mesomorphic and probably broke it down all
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: these scientific terms. right you know they they they just
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: have a fast twitch muscle fibers and they'll say all
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: this crazy shit that is true at the very highest
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: levels of the winners right but it doesn't mean that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: you can't become that no It just means that it's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: too painful for most people to go through. So very
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: few people ever get there. So if you look at
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: the actual results, he would be correct. But he's not
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: correct because he doesn't take the shovel.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's the moral of the story.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: There's not some easy, lit up, street-like path with nice,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: smooth roads. That's right.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: It's a difficult motherfucker where you're going to fail and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: you're going to be in your head. You're going to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: be saying, I'm not good enough. And it's how you
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: get through that. It's how you get through that on
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: a daily basis when that thing is saying, man, I'm 43.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: I've done so much. You start to become civilized. The
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: refrigerator gets full. You start making money, and you start,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not getting cold anymore. I'm retired. At 40, people
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing basketball or football or being in the middle.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: You start to believe this shit. And it becomes in
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: your fucking mind, like, there's people who are retiring, you know,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: at 40-something years old or 30-something years old. At 43,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm still putting in 100-mile weeks, still doing thousands of pull-ups,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: thousands of push-ups, because I'm not allowing myself to become civilized.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: The worst thing that can happen to a man is
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: become civilized. You lose that fucking fight. You lose that,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: why the fuck am I doing this shit? I'm good.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: You ain't good, man. You ain't never fucking arrived. And
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: that's just my mentality. You may have more, but you
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: never fucking arrive. You want to be uncommon amongst uncommon people. Period.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Uncommon amongst uncommon people is one of the greatest ways
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: to put it.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: That's it. Like, for me, what got me in trouble
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: with the Navy SEALs is I wanted to be one
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: so bad. So bad. I fought my ass off. And
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I saw them as uncommon people. Very uncommon. But once
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: you become a Navy SEAL, you're all Navy SEALs. So
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: guess what happens? You're fucking common again. I wanted to
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: be uncommon amongst uncommon people. I wanted to be the guy.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: I don't care if you fucking like me. I don't
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: care if you don't understand me. I didn't give a fuck.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Once I went through this fucking journey, this path of life,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: you ain't got a whole bunch of fucking guys that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: don't fucking like me. I don't give a fuck.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a warrior.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Period. There's a lot of guys that have been in
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: a lot more combat than me. A warrior is not
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: always that. A warrior is a motherfucker who says, hey,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: I'm here again today. I'm here again tomorrow. I'm going
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: to be here the next day. I'm 50 years old.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm still fucking getting after it. It's a person that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: puts no fucking limit on what's possible. And that's what
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: got me in trouble a lot. That's why I went
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: to ranger school as a SEAL. That's why I tried
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: to go to Delta Force twice. I've been through all
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: these different training programs because I was looking for, in
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: the military, what I saw is in the training, these
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: people get their ass handed to them. After they get out,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of them get civilized. I always wanted to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: go back into training. No matter where I was at,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go back to war. And the war
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: was in that training program where you see guys who
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: can quit, guys who are brutal, guys who are suffering,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: guys who are... So as a SEAL, you don't volunteer
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: for ranger school. I did. I put in seven chips,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: got turned down, got accepted. I went at 28, 29
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: years old. And... They go, why did you go? Because
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: I started becoming civilized. I started becoming complacent. I needed
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: to get my fucking ass kicked again. And when you
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: go as a SEAL going down to, you have no
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: rank in ranger school. You could be a major. You're
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: just fucking Joe Brown. You're nobody. And you're not eating.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: You're not sleeping. So I always would put myself, I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: would immerse myself in shit like that. Even I would
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: climb the ladder and I intentionally fall back down that motherfucker.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: They say, all right, man, getting soft, dude. Getting soft,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: kick your fucking ass again. And, you know, it's kind
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: of the process.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Did you find resistance from that amongst other guys that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: didn't like that you were making them uncomfortable? Because that
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: is something that people, there's a natural instinct that people
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: have when someone's working harder than them to somehow or
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: another diminish that person.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that a lot of guys don't like
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: me for a lot of reasons. And I realize that.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I am a guy that doesn't care if you like
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: me or not. And when you're an alpha male and
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: you're against other alpha males, and we eat our own.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Alpha males eat their own. And I love that shit.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go, man. I want to eat. Hey, man,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: I'm all about that kind of mentality. But I would
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: sometimes take it to another level. I wasn't part of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: a good old boy network. I didn't want to be
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: part of it. I wanted to be David fucking Goggins.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: For too long in my life, and it got me
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: in trouble, for too long in my life, I wanted
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: to be accepted. Growing up, I lied. I fucking did
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: what I could. If you fucking like UFC and I didn't,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, man. Let's go fucking
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: watch it, man. Be my friend. Be my buddy. That
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: fucking weak-ass shit, I found out through this path of life,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: who is David Goggins? Who am I? I did it alone.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: There was no fucking trophy on the fucking wall, the mantle.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: That trophy's in my fucking brain. No one helped me
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: get there. No one paid my fucking bills. No one
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: did shit for me. No one ran those fucking miles,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: lost that fucking weight. I suffered on my own and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: developed this man who said, it's who I am, man.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: A very competitive, ultra competitive dude that take it what
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: you want, man.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: I call that personal sovereignty.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of people that have that.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: That's me.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that change who they are
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: depending upon what people want from them.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: And that's, that's me. Yeah.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: That's important, man. And most people struggle their whole life
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: to find out who they are. Struggle their whole life
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: to find out what defines them, what they actually enjoy
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: and what they don't.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: You start putting yourself in situations that suck, you'll find yourself.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: You'll find it real quick.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: That is the thing, right? And that's one of the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: things that I've gotten from paying attention to you is
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: that You, what you're preaching, what you're talking about is
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: finding yourself through struggle.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: That's it. It's the only way to find yourself. You
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: don't find yourself. If you like bench pressing and you
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: bench press all the fucking time, what are you finding out?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: If you like to swim, that's all you want to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: do is swim. What are you finding out? People talk
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: about triple down on your fucking strengths. That's the fucking
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: weakest shit in the world. No, triple down on your
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: fucking weaknesses. Find out something about yourself. You already know
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: the good shit. You already know the happy shit. That's
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: why on my Facebook page, everybody goes, why don't you
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: talk about good times? You know how to get through
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: that shit, motherfucker. You don't need no one to tell
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: you how to get through. It's happy.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: That's easy shit.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you how you can help yourself
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: get through the times that suck.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Real life.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: This is real life. 90% of your life will suck.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: 10% will be fucking happy. You may be a lucky
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: guy and have a lot of fucking money, have a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: great ass woman, all this shit. Trust me. One-on-one with
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: that fucking guy, he's missing something. His life still sucks
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: because he hasn't faced something that bothered him his whole
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: fucking life. Something is still eating that motherfucker up.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Almost everybody.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Everybody. Eating you the fuck up. But maybe you found
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: a good way, how I did growing up, on how
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: to ignore that voice that's saying, you ain't facing some shit.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Period, man.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not special. I just stopped listening. I listened to
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: that voice. This is why I talk so fucking aggressive.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: People say, man, do you believe in God? You cuss
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: so much. When I say fuck... It's letting you know
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. If I try to make it all
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: pretty and shit, that's not what my life was. It
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: was a violent, violent struggle daily to get where I'm
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: at today. I'm not going to water it down. I'm
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: not going to water it down. Shit wasn't fun. It
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: ain't fun today. But I'm happy.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Don't you think that your happiness is probably elevated by.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: The amount of pain that you've gone through.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: So the amount of suffering that you understand, the amount
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: of pain that you've gone through makes you appreciate the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: happiness and the beautiful moments with much more intensity.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: That's what weak people miss about my story. Weak people
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: hear this soft kid. Oh my God, he must be miserable.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, what the hell is wrong with him?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: You're missing the fucking story. You're not listening to the story, man.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Look what I overcame.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: If that doesn't put some badge of honor tattooed in
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: your fucking brain for the rest of your life, you
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: can die today talking to Joe Rogan. You're missing the story, man.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Am I happy?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: What the fuck do you think? Don't misunderstand the passion
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: in which I speak for not being intensely happy. Happiest
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: person in the world. But I'm not done. So I'm
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: not going to speak to you like, oh, man, everything
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: is great. No, I have a lot more shit to do.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: A lot more shit to do.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, this is in the same use of the word
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: that you used, the warrior's mentality, the warrior's life.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: This is the way that you can keep balanced and
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: sane and keep a good grip on who you are.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Period. And there's a quote that was said. I don't
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: know who said it, but it was a great quote.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: This guy said, going into combat, going into war, of
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: the hundred men that go into war, ten shouldn't even
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: fucking be there. 80 of them are just targets 10
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: do most or nine do most of fighting one is
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: a warrior and it's a true quote to life i
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: saw it going through train i saw it everywhere i
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: went there's so many people who just show up to
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: life that shouldn't even fucking be around and there's a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: few people who do all the work. I wanted to
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: be part of that nine, and I'm working towards being
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: that one. And that's just how I live my life.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: Now, what are you doing with your life these days?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Right now, I keep the same. I'm very routine. I
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: get up every morning. I run. I go to the gym.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: And then at nighttime, I stretch out. I am just
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: trying to develop a business. Costing me a lot of
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: money trying to do that. I'm just getting out. I'm
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: an introvert. So I never want to get on social media.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not big on that. I'm big on being with yourself.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: I believe all these fucking cameras and phones and shit.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: It takes you away from the most powerful thing in
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: the world, which is your fucking mind. So I try
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: hard to continue to grow that. I'm trying to break
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: a record again. I'm trying to cross Death Valley as
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: fast as possible, top of Mount Whitney. And I'm constantly
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: trying to put goals in front of me. But the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: biggest thing is I'm trying to find more of myself.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: And the only way I can find more is to
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: silence the world out as much as I can because
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: it's getting busier every day. It's getting faster. And the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: faster it gets, the more you are missing who the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: fuck you are. So I trap my own mind a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: lot and say, look, man, I put my phone away.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: I put shit away and I go dark. I go
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: dark a lot. And it's because I have to find
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: out I'm on a journey of life and we all
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: have a different journey. And I want to be in
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: my fucking pine box. And I believe your spirit lives forever.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: It has to. It's too fucking powerful. No way in
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: hell that thing just dies when you die. I want
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: to be able to look back on my life when
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm all dead and be so fucking proud of myself forever.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: This is all temporary shit to me. I want to
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: be forever proud of who I was as a man
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: and change who I used to be. The liar, the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: insecure guy, the guy who can, whatever. I want to
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: be proud. If I die now, if I die at 80,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: if I die at 90, 100, I want to look
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: at myself and say, proud of myself.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Don't you think that also, like what we're saying, that
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: because you've gone through so much struggle, you appreciate happiness,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: true happiness? Do you think that you appreciate discipline because
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: you weren't disciplined? Do you think you appreciate the hard
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: work you put in because you used to be weak?
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, I appreciate self-discipline. Yes. I never had, and the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: crazy thing about what, you know, you say that, I
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: didn't have a motherfucker come wake me up at 3
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the fucking morning and say, hey, you got
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: to get your shit in. I had no trainer. I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: didn't have a nutritionist. It was this self-discipline that I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: had to survive, to not survive, I was weak, to thrive.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: No one said, hey, man, you're 297 pounds, man. I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: want to help you out. You're not smart I'm going
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: to help you out I had to work at all
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: this shit I had to overcome And It self disciplines
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: everything If you don't have it I don't look at
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: you right Because I know you're capable of more It's
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: not discipline so much for me It's all on you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: It's all on you The self part is what's big
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: We need someone to hold people accountable Fuck that shit
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: man Fuck that shit. We count on people too much
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: to get us through shit. And we look to our right,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: we look to our left, we're looking for help. And
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: if you can build that self, you can build that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: total accountability in one self. And it's not about being selfish.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to create a better me. So hopefully people
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: who are hearing this are taking it the right way.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Can say, I can run a mile. Ain't about running
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: 205 fucking miles, doing fourth, being a city, ain't about
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: all that shit. Shit doesn't matter. I want you to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: see how fucking far you can go. And that's all
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: it's about, yourself. And that's where it all comes from.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I guarantee you've already done that. What you
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: experienced from watching that television show and what got you
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: out the door, what got you to sort of take
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: the first steps to change your life, what you experienced
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: by watching Rocky, what you experienced, those moments of inspiration.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Those are critical for people. They need to know that
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: someone's done something, that someone's done something that's greater than
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: what they can imagine themselves doing, and they want to
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: take a step towards trying to be better. That inspiration
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: is gigantic, and sometimes it comes across as corny. People
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: read too much of it online. It becomes– it drowns out.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: You lose– the meaning gets lost, and there's a lot
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: of posers. There's a lot of people out there that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: are pretending– that they're trying to offer up inspiration or
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: a true, honest account of their experiences. But really what
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do is say something that's going to
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: get likes.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to say things that they think
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: people are going to go, yeah, double high five.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a thing that people are doing where
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: they're just trying to just get social cred.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's what social media is, man. I'm going
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: to paint you the picture of my fake life.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: I paint you a picture of my fucking real life. Yeah. Period.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Like it or not, man.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: But that real life is fuel for people. It's fuel
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: for me. I mean, I love that shit. I live
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: off of it. There's a lot of people that I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: follow online, and you're one of them, that I can
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: get something out of that. I could watch a short
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: clip of you talking. I'm sure clips of this podcast,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: people are going to play these clips and go for
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy runs afterwards.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, I hope so.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, they're going to. You don't even have to hope.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: What is this business you're doing?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's my own Goggins LLC. Um, basically I, I'm
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: investing in myself. I'm investing in myself and I hope
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: that this story is, can, can change somebody's life. Not
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: to be me because they ain't about me. And I,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: and I, I, I try to be as real as
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: I can because we're all fucking suffering in this world.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: We're all hurting. And I try to, Take away all
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: titles you want to give me and let you know
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: that I did not come from that shit. That's why
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: I have to be so authentic and so real about
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: my own insecurities, my own faults, just being a fucked
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: up person. I'm not the best at anything. I'm not gifted.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just driven. And it's all about trying to share
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: that message with people. This is all about, you know,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: I speak to a lot of people and that's what
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: I do now.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: And how are you doing it as a business?
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: I do some motivational speaking, but right now, I'm not
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: really trying to make a lot of fucking money. I'm
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: just trying to build the brand as authentic as possible
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to build it too fast because
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: my biggest fear in life is people can read right
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: through a motherfucker that's not real. I do it all
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: the time. A lot of people have these great quotes
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: and they mass produce. I can't mass produce something, man.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: And they have these great quotes and shit, but are
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: you living that, motherfucker? But you just quote it and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: how powerful it may sound. Are you getting up every
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: fucking morning? I'm not working out, whatever. Are you really
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: getting the fuck after? Are you just talking to motivate people?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to be that guy.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Or are you talking to pretend that you're exactly after it?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people make this big money over here,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: the side, which I haven't made a lot. And they, they,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: they talk this shit. And they're off this and it's gone.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: They're not authentic at all, man. It's all this shit.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: And I read it and I'm like, man, this guy
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: ain't bullshit. Bullshit, man. Fucking wake up, get after it,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: live what you're saying. And then it comes, people can see.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: When I talk, the reason I talk so fucking dispassionate,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: because I'm reliving my fucking life. I'm reliving this morning
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: when I got up. I didn't want to do that shit.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: I'm reliving everything I did. And I can't speak to
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: you like all calm and shit.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Shit sucks.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: It sucks, man. So whenever I start talking about like
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: after this podcast, you'll see, man. God, you're so calm
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: right now. What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: not going back through that shit, man. I'm not going
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: back through the suffering and shit that it took to
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: become who I am today. So I'm slowly trying to
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: build this brand to the point where I can slowly,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: hopefully make people from motivated to driven because motivation is crap.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: It's shit. People right now, maybe listening to this shit,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: they'd be motivated to go run. If it's cold somewhere
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: where they're at, a lot of motherfuckers will shut that door,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: go back inside. That's motivation. It comes and go as
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: how you feel. If you and your wife are good,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: if you and your kids are good, if you're good
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: at work, you're motivated. I like a motherfucker whose life
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: is imploded, ain't got shit in life, and says, I
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: still got to fucking get after it today, man. That's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: what it's about. So that's when you move from motivation
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: to driven to obsessed. And I want people to realize
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: once you get to this portion over here, the driven
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: obsessed part, you're unstoppable.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: This commitment that you have to authenticity is one of
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: the reasons why people are connected to what your message is.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why what you're saying, you
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to grow too fast. You don't want it
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: to be bullshit. You're terrified of that thing. Just like
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: we were talking about with weak people, you're terrified of
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: seeing that weakness in yourself.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: We all see that. We've all seen motivational things that
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: are bullshit. We've all talked to people that are talking
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and you realize there's nothing really that they're connected to.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: They're not really connected to their words. Their words are
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of words they've pieced together because they
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: sound like something that someone who's enlightened on the subject
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: would say.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't connect at all. So your struggle now
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: is to try to figure out how to stay you
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: and get the message out but still be fully connected
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: to that message.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's not so much a struggle because I'm
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: not really about– I'm not driven by the business. I'm
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: not driven by trying to be– I make a very
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: small salary from being retired from the military. That's all
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: I need. So I'm not fast to, I'm a minimalist motherfucker.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Give me a backpack, a fucking ground to sleep on
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: and a pull-up bar and some running shoes, and a
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Subway sandwich or some shit, and I'm fucking straight. I
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: believe in patience. I'm a patient dude. I can watch
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: a piece of grass grow for 20 years because I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: know that this is how you get somewhere in life.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: By being that monk-like mentality, And being able to watch
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: something grow very calmly, patiently. And that's all I'm doing
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: right now. It's not about money. It's not about people
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: knowing me. I don't care if you like me. Whoever
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: wants to hear this, it's out there. It's out there.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: So your goal is to grow this.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Right. Slowly. Very slowly.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: And your goal is to grow this in order to
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: impact people? Period.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: That's it. It's not about me.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: What do you get out of impacting people?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I don't get anything out of it.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: I'm a tool.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: But you must get something. There must be personal satisfaction.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: There must be a connection to those people. It must
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: be enriching to you.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: It's hard to connect with people because there's quite a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: few now that are coming in. It's my duty. It's
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: my duty to share. It's kind of like it's somebody
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: who discovered a new earth and discovered the people and
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: the water source and the food source I discovered a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: whole nother part of your fucking brain that a lot
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: of people don't even know about. It's my job by
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: being a fucking on this journey and being a discovery
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: person and being the person that maybe I didn't discover
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: this part. I discovered a very important part that I
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: haven't met many people that have discovered this part. I'm
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: sure there's a lot out there, but it's my job
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: now to take these weak people in the category that
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: I was in and say, uh-uh. Stop reading the bullshit.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Stop listening to the bullshit. And if my story of
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: success can impact somebody, it is my job, it is
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: my duty to share the story. As much as I'm
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: not really fond of it, I'm the kind of guy
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: that wants to sit in the fucking room and just
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: be me. Just be me, alone, by myself. It's who
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: I am. But I have to get uncomfortable and tell
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: people all this shit. You think it feels good telling
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: people how to... I had a fourth grade reading level
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: in high school. I stuttered. I lied to people to
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: be their fucking friends. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: feel good at all. But maybe somebody's doing the same shit.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: And maybe they can realize, wow, that motherfucker was a
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: piece of shit. And he fucking now is a Navy SEAL,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: retired guy, and runs these miles and was 297 pounds
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: and pathetic fucker. And wow. And people say, why are
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: you talking? It's the fucking truth. I was a fucking
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: pathetic motherfucker, man. People cannot say that to themselves. We
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: have to choose these great fucking magical words that make
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: people feel good.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: Tell yourself the truth.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: If someone calls you fucking fat, they may be bullying you,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: but you might be fucking fat. If someone calls you dumb,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: it's mean, but you might be fucking dumb. It's life, man.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: Take it for what it's worth and change it.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: And that terrible feeling when someone does tell you that
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: you're fat, you can use that as fuel.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: As fuel, period. And that's all this is about. And
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: where it goes, if it goes somewhere, whatever, you know,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you said something that I think of when I run,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: and it's that most people quit at 40%. That's it.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: That's my 40% rule, man.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: I love that quote.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: That's my 40% rule, man. And I really developed that
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: through my heart surgeries, and I developed that through that
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: first 100-mile run. I thought I had given 100%. I
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: was on that chair at mile 70. I was fucked up.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: I thought I'd given 100%. And to go that last,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: I go, man, I wasn't even near 100%. So I
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: came up with this thing called the 40% rule. It's
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: basically where you, it's like a car. You put a
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: governor on a car. And let's say the car can
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: go 130. That governor stops the car at 91. And
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: you're driving thinking, man, I want to fucking floor it,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: but I can't go any faster. We do that to
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: our brain. We put a governor on our brain. The
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: second we feel pain, discomfort, suffering, all those words that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: we hate to say because we're in this happy, peaceful
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: world we live in now, we stop. We slow down.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: And if you can get through these different barriers and
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: gain 5%, 2%, 3%, that 40% becomes 60. That 60%
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: becomes 70 and 80 and 90. And then you'll hopefully
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: one day near 100. I don't know many people who
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: are probably at 100. I mean, we think we're there,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: but there's so much more.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Isn't 100 a death's door, though?
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: I love that. I think it's true. I think that's
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: 100% true.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: I think when you were laying in that tub, you
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: had knocked on the door.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: That is 100% true. That is 100% truth. I didn't
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: give 100% in that 101-mile run I did for the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: first time. So that's the scary thing. That's the scariest
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: thing in the world. I didn't die.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: You probably gave 99.99999 and died with your life. I
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: guarantee it. I guarantee it.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know how to end this any better
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: than that. So let's just wrap this up. If people
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: want to find your stuff, what's the best place to
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: go and look for it?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just at David Goggins, man. Social media, on Instagram, Facebook.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: I don't tweet that much stuff out because I write messages.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: And I always link on Twitter to my Facebook and Instagram.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: But it's just at David Goggins.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: It was an honor and a privilege, brother. Thank you
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: very much, man. I really, really appreciate it.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: David Goggins, ladies and gentlemen. Go after it, you motherfuckers!
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: Come on!
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Dude, if that doesn't fire people up...