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- 0:00You're listening to Strictly Business Podcast with Lindsay Williams.
- 0:05The US Federal Reserve concluded its first meeting of 2026 on Thursday evening
- 0:12European time and they
- 0:14did absolutely nothing.
- 0:16With me now is Philip Saunders who is Director, the Investment Institute at 91
- 0:20in London.
- 0:22Philip, they did nothing, the Fed that is, but the markets did quite a lot or certain
- 0:26markets did quite a lot.
- 0:28But let's get back to the Fed first.
- 0:30They left rates unchanged.
- 0:32And from what I can see, Jerome Powell, the chair of the Fed, did very little
- 0:34afterwards with his speech.
- 0:36Yeah, I mean, I think that they are sort of caught because on the one hand,
- 0:40the unemployment numbers have been pretty weak, which is one of the things that
- 0:46they're pretty focused on,
- 0:48if you like, sort of job creation.
- 0:48And the jobs numbers have been unusually, you know, signalling that growth is very
- 0:55weak,
- 0:55whereas actually headline growth has been OK.
- 0:58So that's a bit of a conundrum.
- 1:00But weak job numbers, you know, possibly suggesting that the
- 1:04U.S. economy is actually going to weaken is clearly a concern of the Fed, because
- 1:11the Fed basically have policy settings still, you know,
- 1:13on the tight side of neutral.
- 1:15OK, even though they reduce rates again a couple of times in the autumn,
- 1:18the monetary conditions are still, you know, actually somewhat on the tight side.
- 1:22On the other hand, they remain concerned about inflation and to actually cut rates
- 1:27too much.
- 1:29you know, runs the risk of inflation sort of lighting up again.
- 1:32And that's another part of their mandate.
- 1:33So it's a sort of balancing act.
- 1:35They have chosen to be relatively cautious, obviously not, you know,
- 1:41that's not going to go down particularly well with President Trump,
- 1:45because they want more evidence that inflation really is coming down.
- 1:49The recent numbers have been fantastic, pointing in the direction of, you know,
- 1:55basically inflation being broadly at target.
- 1:57for the Fed.
- 1:59So we'll see.
- 2:00Obviously, power leaves in May.
- 2:05And so it may well be that we sort of sit on our hands and that the incoming Fed
- 2:11chair has to make the decision.
- 2:13By then, they will have emphatic evidence on the inflation front.
- 2:16And we believe that inflation is going to continue to come down and be pretty soft,
- 2:22because the labor market is really,
- 2:24really actually quite weak at the moment.
- 2:26And actually, they really should be cutting already.
- 2:27But the Fed is going to be cautious about this in the same way that they were
- 2:33cautious about raising rates
- 2:35when inflation was clearly a problem.
- 2:35So, you know, again, basically that calls into question the way the Fed actually
- 2:41takes these decisions.
- 2:43But that's another discussion.
- 2:45It's a tricky situation, isn't it?
- 2:47I mean, clearly you're in the Trump camp too late, Powell, I think he calls him.
- 2:47So your proponents of rates being cut because inflation is under control.
- 2:52But on the other hand, as you quite rightly point out, here we've got.
- 2:55an unusual situation where the unemployment rate in the United States, I
- 3:01think, is 4.4%, which is a four-year high.
- 3:03And we've got growth at 4.4% as well, I think, or 4.3%.
- 3:04Anyway, they're very close.
- 3:06But with a president breathing down your neck and all these other things, he
- 3:12decided just to sit on his hands.
- 3:14And what really sort of frustrated me last night, before we get off this topic, is
- 3:19that he didn't give any guidance.
- 3:21He just said, it's going to be data-driven.
- 3:22Well, we know that.
- 3:23So...
- 3:24It's a bit of an opt out.
- 3:25So the Fed basically is sort of, you know, operating the way the Fed does.
- 3:32He's basically ignoring any pressure being put on him by other parties, including the
- 3:37president.
- 3:38And, you know, they are basically going by the book, the Fed's book.
- 3:43Whether the Fed's book is right or wrong is another matter.
- 3:46But that's what they're doing.
- 3:47So he's basically sitting on his hands and he's going to sort of ride his period out.
- 3:52probably you know Unless the evidence on the unemployment front is really negative,
- 3:58sort of between now and the next review in March, then, you know,
- 4:04he will basically sort of not change short term rates and leave any decision to his
- 4:10successor.
- 4:10The market, of course, knows better than we do.
- 4:12The US 10 year bond, as we speak, as we pre-record, is 4.271 to be precise.
- 4:19So it's ticked up.
- 4:20The yield is ticked up, therefore the bond market coming down.
- 4:23The US dollar, having been slightly stronger straight after the decision,
- 4:28has now turned tail and gone weaker again.
- 4:31The gold and silver prices and other commodities have soared, notably gold,
- 4:36which is above $5,600 an ounce.
- 4:39But that's not so much a Fed story or a dollar story.
- 4:42That's more of a geopolitical story, isn't it?
- 4:45Well, I think it is a bit of a dollar story as well.
- 4:48But yes, I mean, gold has done extraordinarily well.
- 4:51It was up over 60% in dollar terms over calendar 25.
- 4:58People in the market thought that that was enough and it was going to correct
- 5:03significantly, and it just didn't.
- 5:05It kept on going up.
- 5:07And what that signals really, I think, is that it was, you know,
- 5:09the move in gold was originally generated after Russia's invasion of Ukraine back in
- 5:142022.
- 5:16And thereafter, central banks, not just the usual suspects in terms of the Russian
- 5:21Central Bank and the Chinese Central Bank,
- 5:23have been, you know, avid acquirers of gold.
- 5:26The investment community has largely ignored that and now finds itself short.
- 5:30It hasn't really been sort of present at this particular party.
- 5:34And there's not a lot of gold.
- 5:36Essentially, if investors more generally decide, you know, that they should have
- 5:42some gold in their portfolios as a hedge against this
- 5:44uncertain world we live in currently, then that can overwhelm the supply of gold.
- 5:48So I think that's what we're seeing.
- 5:49We're seeing a squeeze.
- 5:51And that's got considerable momentum now.
- 5:53We're now seeing basically.
- 5:54retail appetite emerging in ETFs and so forth.
- 5:57So the bandwagon goes on.
- 5:59And of course, silver is a sort of adjunct to all of this.
- 6:03It's more serious because it basically is an industrial input into things like solar
- 6:07panels.
- 6:07And so the silver price has just gone up sort of 50% or so over the last six weeks.
- 6:13That will have a significant impact in terms of in the real world, unlike gold.
- 6:18What next, Philip?
- 6:19The S&P 500 and the NASDAQ, the S&P 500 sort of treading water around that 7,000
- 6:26mark.
- 6:28More interested, I think, in big tech earnings.
- 6:29But what's your guidance for the future?
- 6:31Never mind the Fed.
- 6:32What about you and 91?
- 6:36Well, I think that, you know, we believe we remain in a cyclical bull market for
- 6:41equities.
- 6:41And we believe that that is supported by earnings growth.
- 6:45So we would expect earnings outcomes in, you know.
- 6:48that are going to be announced or the process of being announced to be pretty
- 6:53constructive.
- 6:55And, you know, provided you've got that undertow, then that's actually pretty
- 6:59supportive for equity markets,
- 7:01even though bond markets seem to be sort of stuck at this particular level, as you
- 7:07observed earlier on, just over 4%
- 7:09of the 10-year US Treasury.
- 7:10The interesting thing that's happening also is that the market is broadening.
- 7:16So it's no longer only Magnificent Seven.
- 7:19You're seeing cyclical stocks performing pretty well.
- 7:22And you're seeing international stocks performing pretty well.
- 7:25And so that's a sort of reasonably constructive sign.
- 7:28And provided it continues to be supported by positive earnings growth and sort of
- 7:35better economic
- 7:37numbers on the growth side, and inflation basically showing signs of continuing to
- 7:40cool,
- 7:41that's a pretty good combination.
- 7:42Liquidity is pretty supportive too.
- 7:45Philip, thank you very much for your analysis.
- 7:47Philip Saunders is Director at the Investment Institute, 91 in London.
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