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Vikings Tailgate: It's A Hard Knock Life For Daniel Van Kirk And Bears Fans - CHI - Episode 46 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: slash Vikings. Hey everybody, it's Bear's Week, Week twelve. We're
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  Speaker 1: heading to Chicago trying to get another win. It's a
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  Speaker 1: big one because we always struggle there. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: great guest this week, comedian podcaster actor Daniel Van Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: You may know him from his reoccurring role on Bob's Burgers.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a podcast with Rory Scovell Penn Pals. He
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  Speaker 1: was on the Squar Brothers podcast Dumb Peopletown. He's got
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  Speaker 1: a great special called Rose Golden. Hey, if you're in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, listening to this every first Wednesday of every
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  Speaker 1: month in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He does a cool half improvised comedy show Overshare Comedy.
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  Speaker 1: You can get all the details on his socials Instagram. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: just search at Daniel Vankirk. This was a really fun one, guys,
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  Speaker 1: and we really liked having Daniel. Hey, well you're here.
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  Speaker 3: The recket recket.
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  Speaker 1: Here, ladies and gentlemen, we are joined by the fantastic
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  Speaker 1: Daniel van Kirk, diehard Bears fan. Daniel, I'm not one
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  Speaker 1: of those guys who takes joy in other people's sports pain,
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  Speaker 1: so that's not what I'm doing. We're coming off the
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  Speaker 1: heels of another loss for you, guys, to the Packers,
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  Speaker 1: and in almost comical fashion, one that I thought you
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  Speaker 1: had sewed up. Where are you at as a Bears fan?
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  Speaker 1: Because here's the funny. Here's the thing that I think
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  Speaker 1: is fascinating. Sure, so many Viking fans are like the Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: Packers is this ultimate rivalry, and it is to some degree.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a rivalry. It's definitely a solid, good rivalry,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Bears Packers, Bears Packers, Like if you go on these
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  Speaker 1: people's comments threads, it's like it's a different mean thing
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  Speaker 1: that exists in very rarefied spaces in the sports universe. Celtics, Lakers,
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  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a true entity.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Chicago also has that with Cubs and Cardinals,
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  Speaker 3: and had it for a long time with Red Wings
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  Speaker 3: and Blackhawks, and very similar in both of those other
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  Speaker 3: two scenarios. I would say it wasn't much of a
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  Speaker 3: rivalry in terms of.
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  Speaker 1: Who did the winning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and in their own unique ways, the reasons for
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  Speaker 3: that that contributed to a loss were special and fun
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  Speaker 3: in their own way. I'll say this too out the
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  Speaker 3: gate for anybody who doesn't know me. I'm born and
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  Speaker 3: born and raised in Rochelle, Illinois, small little farmtown about
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  Speaker 3: forty minutes south of the Wisconsin border. And I lived
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  Speaker 3: ten years in Chicago, and I am the typical Chicago guy.
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  Speaker 3: I worked at the Cubby Bear across the huge bar
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  Speaker 3: across from Wrigley Field. I worked at Marshall Fields. I
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  Speaker 3: even was a federal agent in Chicago for a while,
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  Speaker 3: so I did Chicago law enforcement to some extent, only
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  Speaker 3: on a federal level. I started at Second City. You're
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  Speaker 3: not going to get much more cookie cutter. Chicago gavee
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  Speaker 3: you want. I'll talk like this a whole thing. Had
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  Speaker 3: no problem with that, And we can talk about the
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  Speaker 3: freeway and how long it took us getting through Madison
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  Speaker 3: and the Mouth south off Exit one thirty two. But
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  Speaker 3: you split off with the Petro because you're going up
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  Speaker 3: to the Napolis to go hang out with your fan.
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  Speaker 3: I can do that as well. But I do not
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  Speaker 3: revel in sports negativity. I don't wish Ill will on
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  Speaker 3: other teams. You'll never see me clap for an injury.
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  Speaker 3: The Vikings are on a having a great season, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that's awesome because it's I don't hope for
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  Speaker 3: any other team to lose. I hope for my team
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  Speaker 3: to win when they play those teams. If you do,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't really matter what other people did. I've had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of respect for the Vikings for a long time,
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  Speaker 3: and what they've done in the past few years to
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  Speaker 3: kind of like no pun intended write that ship, and
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  Speaker 3: what the Packers have done forever in terms of identifying
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  Speaker 3: and maturing talent. You know, those are things I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gonna hate them for that. I'm gonna wish my fandom
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  Speaker 3: was to a team that did those same things. And
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  Speaker 3: that's a long way of saying we don't, we do
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  Speaker 3: not do that. It's heartbreaking, man. And to talk about
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  Speaker 3: the rivalry too, to kind of put a button on that,
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  Speaker 3: it's special, right, I like it. It's sort of like
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  Speaker 3: that whole argument of like Jordan over Lebron. For a
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  Speaker 3: while it was like Jordan over Kobe, and then somebody
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  Speaker 3: will be like, what about Bill Russell and he's better
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  Speaker 3: than Jordan? And I always say to those people, the
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  Speaker 3: one constant that you're arguing about all the time is
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  Speaker 3: who's better than Jordan?
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of all you need to know.
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  Speaker 3: So no matter how bad the Bears are, it's always like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're sort of the real rival with the Packers over
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  Speaker 3: the Bears. And somebody goes, well, we kind of have
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  Speaker 3: a thing with them too, over the Bears. Well, you're
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  Speaker 3: kind of always saying the Bears, like Detroit's not arguing
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  Speaker 3: with Minnesota over who has the real rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: Against the Packers? Right, right?
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  Speaker 3: And the Packers are obviously the top of the mountain
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  Speaker 3: and have been for close to thirty five years because
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  Speaker 3: they've earned that spot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they locked into it.
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  Speaker 3: But keep going, I would agree. But everybody wondered what
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  Speaker 3: they were doing when they cut Favra. Yes, but they
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  Speaker 3: made that decision and that was the right call, and
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  Speaker 3: they seem to have made another good decision.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I will say, though, although our records are
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  Speaker 1: very different and this season is very different, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think our two teams are in a very similar spot
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  Speaker 1: compared to the other two teams simply by Jared Goff's
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  Speaker 1: deal kick in in the next year and it it'll
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  Speaker 1: really start to affect the roster. Jordan loves deal is
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  Speaker 1: going to pick in and affect the roster. Those will
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  Speaker 1: be very differently built teams. And where I didn't expect
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings to be eight and two this year, it.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't feel very fluky, doesn't like last year had more
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  Speaker 3: flukey plays for the Vikings that game against the Bills
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  Speaker 3: or two years ago, two years ago, Yeah, when it
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  Speaker 3: should have been over three times. Yes, that was Ian
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  Speaker 3: Sid I was listening to the Minnesota call on the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, Paul Allen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was driving and I was like yeah, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I have to hear the Minnesota call this and they
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  Speaker 3: were talking about, you know, they're essentially doing the like credits,
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  Speaker 3: we want to thank everybody who helped out today. And
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  Speaker 3: then it wasn't over. But that's not happening with the
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  Speaker 3: Vikings much this season.
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  Speaker 1: No, there was this ESPN put out this thing today
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  Speaker 1: talking about how that season they went thirteen and four.
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  Speaker 1: It felt fluky and all DVA this advanced metric that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to understand these people who are going, hey,
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  Speaker 1: they're not quite winning as well as they did earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the year. No, no, no, no, No. The DVOA
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  Speaker 1: is great. This is a really really good football team.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the thing I had two turning points
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  Speaker 1: in this season. The first one was really early in
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  Speaker 1: the year. I started hearing things and not from people
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  Speaker 1: within the organization, but just from people close to some
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  Speaker 1: players and you know, stuff like that where they're was
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  Speaker 1: just a belief in the locker room that I think,
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  Speaker 1: once you get past the preseason, you can't fake it.
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  Speaker 1: These guys know whether or not they're a good team.
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  Speaker 1: By week one or two. They you know, like the Dolphins,
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  Speaker 1: they're four and six, they've had this weird year. I
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  Speaker 1: think they know they're a pretty good football team and
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  Speaker 1: they should be the same thing with the Bengals, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of what's happening. I think the Vikings walked into this
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  Speaker 1: season and we all you could kind of see it
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  Speaker 1: in press conferences and stuff where we all went holy
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  Speaker 1: and they were walking around going like, yeah, we knew this, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm normally the I'm worried it's gonna fall apart fan,
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  Speaker 1: right because it's a very Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: The party town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very very Yeah. I didn't assume you
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  Speaker 1: were sitting there on Sunday like it's gonna be great
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  Speaker 1: when he drills this field goal. The last few games,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they lost. They lost a game to the
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  Speaker 1: Rams that was ugly, and then these last few wins
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  Speaker 1: just haven't been anything special.
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  Speaker 2: The Rams are also like a show up team. You
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  Speaker 2: don't know who's show and when you.
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  Speaker 1: Play the Lions four days later after you play the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: that's a team that beats you up. I think that
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  Speaker 1: was a hard game.
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  Speaker 3: You have a whole locker room of guys who were
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  Speaker 3: trained by Aaron Donald, correct the whole locker room guys
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  Speaker 3: who are like, well, that's the level and that's going
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  Speaker 3: to carry over from a couple of years just in
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  Speaker 3: terms of mentality.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and getting both those receivers back for that game
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  Speaker 1: was no joke.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I've got this weird thing going on where I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a real universe that this team hits a stride
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  Speaker 1: in December and they're actually a contender. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: a thing I ever say, but I've bought in on
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  Speaker 1: a pretty gross level.
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  Speaker 2: I would say.
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  Speaker 3: I think from the outside looking in, you you you should. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they It's it's gonna come down to probably three games.
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  Speaker 3: Three games are going to tell you exactly what this
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  Speaker 3: team is going to do, and if not all three,
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  Speaker 3: two of those are going to come against the Lions
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  Speaker 3: and the Packers.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, from a Bears standpoint, you're looking at like
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  Speaker 3: those you know, I think the first three losses they
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  Speaker 3: didn't have Keenan Allen, they were within a score. Then
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  Speaker 3: you look at the Commander's game and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people want to come down on it. I think his
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  Speaker 3: name was Stevenson, and they want to come down on him,
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  Speaker 3: or they want to yell about fifty five getting held
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  Speaker 3: and say, oh, that's why they lost. Now I will
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  Speaker 3: say part of that is why he lost. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it has anything to do with the whole Do
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  Speaker 3: you want to call that? Sure, call it, you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to call it. It's a final play of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody needs to make a play, and he had plenty
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  Speaker 3: of times for somebody else to get off a block.
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  Speaker 3: So the thing about it is and the difference between
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  Speaker 3: the Vikings, the Lions and the Packers, it may come
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  Speaker 3: down to. For let's say the Lions, it could you
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  Speaker 3: could list a foot stacks worth a paper of differences,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe for the Vikings you can go, oh, maybe
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  Speaker 3: these teams are a little bit closer than we think.
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  Speaker 3: But it isn't even just losing on the final play
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  Speaker 3: against the Packers and Loon, he's losing against the final
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  Speaker 3: play against the Commanders. It is a small thing that
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  Speaker 3: is a huge difference, and that is coaching. Sure, it
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  Speaker 3: is one hundred percent coaching, because and I'm not just
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  Speaker 3: talking about Oh Stevenson wasn't coached enough. So he's out
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  Speaker 3: here waving at fans rather thanetting out of play that
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  Speaker 3: does have to do with coaching. But you know what's
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  Speaker 3: even a bigger coaching thing before that giving up a
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  Speaker 3: thirteen yard play and you and your press conference, ibra flus,
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  Speaker 3: you go out and say, we don't really think that
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  Speaker 3: thirteen yards mattered. And then the coach I'm forgetting his name,
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  Speaker 3: but the coach for the Commanders comes out and goes
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  Speaker 3: that thirteen yards was huge.
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  Speaker 2: Riss. That made the whole difference in that game. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what does that tell you?
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  Speaker 3: Even if one of them is right and one of
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  Speaker 3: them is wrong, it's irrelevant who's right and who's wrong.
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  Speaker 3: It's a difference in coaching. And I'm gonna say the
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  Speaker 3: guy who won is probably right. So the same thing
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  Speaker 3: is true on Sunday. It's gonna come down to coaching
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  Speaker 3: with the pack with what just happened at the Packers
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  Speaker 3: because you have thirty four seconds left in a timeout
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  Speaker 3: and you waste it.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't believe it, couldn't believe that, you would not couldn't
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  Speaker 1: believe it.
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  Speaker 3: That is a coaching decision. And you should know what
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  Speaker 3: you're being scouted against as much on your own team
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  Speaker 3: as the.
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  Speaker 2: Team who's scouting against you.
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  Speaker 3: And so to not get closer, which is going to
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  Speaker 3: get the ball higher sooner, is insane. Who makes that
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  Speaker 3: decision a coach? And I think that's why you can
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  Speaker 3: look at a team that has a lot of talent
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  Speaker 3: on it and go, where do you lose games? And
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  Speaker 3: you lose games by not knowing how to coach your players.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Parcells has that great quote, you treat every single
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  Speaker 3: player the same, and he goes, no, not a chance,
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  Speaker 3: because some of these guys could show up and be
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  Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer and other guys have I have
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  Speaker 3: to ride their ass to make them work hard. And
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  Speaker 3: so that is where the Bears are so far away.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea that you have this number one pick
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  Speaker 3: and you're gonna get Caleb Williams or whoever you want,
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  Speaker 3: and you're not gonna go after Harbaugh, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have an overlap of mediocrity. At least get
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  Speaker 3: it wrong by doing the right thing. That's why you
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  Speaker 3: pick kayleb Willms. Right, everybody said, look, they can make
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  Speaker 3: this pick and they can get it wrong, but no
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  Speaker 3: one's going to say they shouldn't have made that pick.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You're never gonna get blamed for taking Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Do you may not go higher the right coach when
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  Speaker 3: you get rid of ebraflues going into the twenty four season.
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  Speaker 3: But no one's gonna say, well, you had to hang
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  Speaker 3: on to ebra flus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and the crazy thing is, and so I
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  Speaker 1: when we did our initial search, I was a I'm
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  Speaker 1: obviously we're thrilled to have our head coach. Right. When
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  Speaker 1: you get somebody like that, it's rare. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: look around, not just the NFL, professional sports and see
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  Speaker 1: how many fan bases are so constantly frustrated with their coaches.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is a rare place to feel that good about
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  Speaker 1: your head coach. I also in the beginning of the process,
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  Speaker 1: I was all in on Demico Ryans, which I think
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  Speaker 1: that has proven out to be also a good option.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: But I never understood why people so quickly dismissed the
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  Speaker 1: Harbaugh thing from a fans standpoint, like he now does
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  Speaker 1: he wear out his welcome? It seems he probably does.
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  Speaker 1: But in the history of football, who does this? Who
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  Speaker 1: has won? Who just wins?
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  Speaker 2: No matter?
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  Speaker 1: Because Jimmy Johnson didn't win with the Dolphins, Bill Parcells
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  Speaker 1: didn't win with the Cowboys, and he sure didn't win
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  Speaker 1: as a front office person down in Miami, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So I just don't. I think there's something unique to
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  Speaker 1: what Harbaugh is does and it probably wears thin after
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  Speaker 1: a while given everything that has followed him. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I saw the stat for the Chargers where they were
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  Speaker 1: like bottom third of the league, and rush attempts and
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  Speaker 1: all these like rushing metrics. He comes in drafts a
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  Speaker 1: tackle when there's wide receivers on the board and they
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: don't have any wide receivers right, and he's like, Nope,
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking a tackle. He's a weapon. And then they
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  Speaker 1: just they hire Greg Roman and they pound the shout
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  Speaker 1: of the ball, and there's all these metrics about Justin Herbert.
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  Speaker 1: He's throwing way less, but he's fifteen to one TD
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  Speaker 1: to interception ratio going into last game, all these advanced
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  Speaker 1: metrics about big time throws versus mistakes. He's just the
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  Speaker 1: guy that we thought he was gonna be and they
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  Speaker 1: haven't given him a weapon yet. So I yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: if I'm a team that didn't hire a coach last year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's other questions, but the Harbaugh thing,
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  Speaker 1: there's got to be a lot of fan bases going.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, what'd we do? Right?
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the Chargers are a healthy organization historically.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And look, the Bears could be a year or
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  Speaker 3: two away from being that if they want to. But
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  Speaker 3: for as long as you've looked down South, and for
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: as long as I've looked over at the lake, how
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  Speaker 3: much have they ever decided to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Never? They could? Next year?
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  Speaker 3: Right, they're probably gonna end up with the top five pick.
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  Speaker 3: They could flip that into two picks in the first round,
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  Speaker 3: get some linemen and push everything that way, and then
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  Speaker 3: get a coach who knows what they're doing and how
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  Speaker 3: to be a leader of men and know the right
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  Speaker 3: decisions to make. It's two different things. You have to
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  Speaker 3: be able to do. You can know everything to do
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  Speaker 3: if nobody cares to listen to you, it really doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter how good your ideas are. So you kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to have both.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Harball obviously has that in spades, and you look
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  Speaker 2: at Detroit they have it too, But like they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Could they go that route and start doing that? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Will they?
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  Speaker 3: I have no reason to believe this. I said this
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the season. When The Bears Future
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: was eight and a half and everyone was telling you
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: to pound the over right, pound the over pounding over
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: pound the over on that bet. The reason I agreed
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: with it is you've seen It's like going on a date.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: You've seen a blind day, except for this time. You've
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: seen the girl right, and you've seen DJ Moore and
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: you've seen Romadonsay, and you've seen Keenan Allen and you
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: know what Swift can do, and you know what Caleb
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: is capable of and can he elevate that? But you
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: know you're not looking at somebody like Niche who's had Trubisky,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: who's had six you know, a good guy, but he
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: had sixteen starts coming in who knows what we're that's
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: a blind date. So you've seen it and and there's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of things about the girl that you like,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: and you think she's really hot, and so you're very
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: optimistic that this is going to work out. And so
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: that is a thing Bears I was completely as Bears
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: fans were able to have because we it wasn't like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: well we have no idea, I'm not hopeful. It's like, well,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I do have an idea, so I am hopeful. Will
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I be surprised if this ends up with all my
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: clothes being burned on the front lawn. No, I'm not
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: going to be that surprised because I've been dating long enough,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you know, on the on the banks of like Michigan,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: staring over at Gary, Indiana and going maybe it isn't
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: that bad over there. So for the Bears, it's like,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: can't will they make those changes? Will they do those things?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: And coming off of Sunday's game against the Packers, if
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: you want me to rose color in any way, which
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to do, also go watch my special rose
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Gold if you want me to do that in any way.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: The Bears didn't lose because Caleb Williams played badhi, which
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: has been an earmark for so long with the why
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: they lose bad.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: He didn't lose because did he throw a touchdown?
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: No? And I don't care. Had they gone two and
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: a half games without scoring a touch on, yes, that's insane.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: They hadn't done that since two thousand and four. So
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: from that standpoint, you know, if it was the Broncos
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: and they lose that game, I'm obviously bummed for an
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: hour and then I have a rule where you don't.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I don't let sports ruin my day behind you. Yeah,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: but it was the Packers, and for all intents and purposes,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: they should have won that game.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: The Packers played a little bit less.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Bears get some credit for that, but they
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: played a little bit less than they normally should have.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: The Bears played better than they had looked in a month,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: and they should have won that game. So I'm comforted
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: by what I saw in Caleb that final drive. If
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: forgetting sacked, that's what I was gonna say. Two plays
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: he gets sacked and you're like, oh, I've seen this
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: three weeks yep, yes, and then convert, Convert, make a
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: play get out of a sack. He's so good at
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: ducking a sack you have to wrap him up and
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: stay on it. And the great thing about that is
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: is it's gonna make you risk a penalty every single
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: time you do that. So it makes a defensive player
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: think twice for how much am I going to stay
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: on this tackle? And he maximizes that and that is great.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But if anybody remembers anything from what I've said on
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: this podcast today, and I really appreciate you giving me
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: a place to event I don't have to go to
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: therapy later. The Bears would have ruined every They would
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: have ruined Patrick Mahomes. They would have ruined him. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: did there tell me one great quarterback who's had more
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: than two coaches, And I only say two because a
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: lot of times Montana goes and plays for the Chiefs,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: or or you know, Brady goes down to Tampa Bay.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But tell me one like excellent in the argument, or
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: or or you know, very assured hall of famer who
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: had more than one system, more than one coach. It
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't exist.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you're right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It has to be at most coordinators.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: If my memory serves me quick, they would have ruined
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: everybody's I can't believe that Patrick Mahomes I can, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: thank god they didn't for Patrick Mahomes.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But what the Jets almost did to your guy? Yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: people thought Sam Donald was never going to really play again.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this big you're seeing it in Cincinnati right
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: now where I saw Steve Young on Dan Patrick's show,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's this remarkable thing where Dan Patrick
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: is like, what is going on here? Twenty seven touchdowns,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: four interceptions, He's the first quarterback in the Super Bowl
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: era to have three hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and no interceptions in three games and lose all three
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of them. That's never happened in football. You know, Steve
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Young goes, well, I think you have to look other
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: places than Joe Burrow, and he basically ends up saying
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: he goes everything flows from the very top down right,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And I think, I think when you look at some
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of these organizations that you're talking about, and obviously that's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: been the biggest conversation piece this year is quarterbacks and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: their support and what that means and second chances and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, the vikings are, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: especially since Kevin O'Connell's been here, when you get those
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I love looking at those ends of the year grades.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And I bet Chicago Bears fans probably hate looking at them,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: but like the what it's like to be a player
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there the ones in Cincinnati. I have a friend, a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: comic friend, Alex Schubert, who, like I think, he wants
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to light his computer on fire when they come out
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: every year. But you get a great organization and a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: great coach, and yeah, you're right, most of these guys,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: unless they are. You have the one rare case with
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees who leaves to go to New Orleans in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that weird situation. But other than that, the only time
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: these guys get a second system is usually when they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have their late career. I'm one hundred and fifty years old,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna win a Super Bowl with the Bucks
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: or the Broncos or the or get an AFC Championship
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. So yeah, I think I think you're
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: exactly right. When you see these things, it's it doesn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to me. I guess I'll say this. I think, no
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: matter what, it's hard to get a like a Hall
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, But when it ends up working, like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City when Patrick Mahomes got there and it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: worked and you went incredible organization, incredible general manager, all
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: time coach, super talent, like there's just no way. The
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Patriots Robert Kraft learns from Eddie de Bartola on how
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to treat players and run his organization. Bill Belichick is
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: who is Tom Brady? Like it makes sense when it
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: clicks down like that generally.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just you know, I mean, yeah, the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Bears got rid of Shane Waldron and it looked like
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the I think it was fifteen and seven carries between
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the two running backs last week was I'm directionally correct
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: if I'm not on it, And so you saw much
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: more of a balanced play call.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: But I think you and I sort of saw this
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: shift from superstar athletes, which we obviously has been around
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: for a long time, but I think really blew up
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: in the nineties and then in the early two thousands
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to now like the athlete is basically the king, Like
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: it's a king athlete, right, And you bet that if
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Andy Reid retires at the end of this year, which
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I know an inclination he's going to but if he did,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is going to pick their next head coach.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And because he should. And so whatever they did to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: make Caleb come around to being like, yeah, I want
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to play here, or he just realized like from a
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: pr standpoint, whatever, I just got to go along with it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: They had, you know, the Bears. For anybody who know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they've never fired a head coach during the season.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Ever in the history of the organizations.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Never in season fired a head coach ever.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And they should let me ask you something that I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: always mean to ask Bears fans like, do you ever
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: think about Lobby Smith?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, but if you go back too, I think it
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: was twenty ten or whenever they love mean, I think
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: he was a ten and six team his final season.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: There was a complacency that had kind of fallen in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: there where he was. And I am very close to
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: saying I bet that you can quote me on this.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: He was saying, I wasn't ready. I didn't have the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: guys ready to play, and it was like a big
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: primetime game. Oh sure, And that sort of stuff just
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: sort of like happened. I mean, I remember there was
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a New Year's Eve game in like two thousand and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and seven to two
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: thousand and eight, or maybe two thousand and six to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: two thousand and seven where they played the Packers and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: the Bears were already in the playoffs and they just
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: pretty much let the Packers win and they ended up
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: going on a run and I think they eliminated the
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Bears in the playoffs that year.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Final that was Yeah, that was the year where they
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl as a wildcard team. Yeah, they
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: mailed that game in. I remember that game.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the postgame, like Rex Grossman said that
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: he was thinking about his New Year's Eve party, and
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: so there was a lot of sort of just like love.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: He is a great coach and people loved playing for him.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: But I think things that it had just run its course.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, Andy Reid ran its course in Philadelphia. Sure,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: it's sort of hard to go back to that. Is
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: that what they need to sort of set the benchmark
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: for and go above? Yes, one percent, but there's no
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: need to go back in that direction. If you told
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: me that next season they hired Dion Sanders, I would
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: be one hundred percent in favor of it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: If for no other reason, that'd be so fun.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: If for no other reason that you want to talk
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: about a culture change with the Bears, you want to
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: talk about a coach who is going to handle that
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: front office and handle that ownership and handle the expectations
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: for that team in such a different way. Like Tony
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Dungee gets a lot of credit for what he did
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: with the Colts, but he doesn't get enough credit for
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: what he did with the Buccaneers.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to take anything away.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Totally agree totally. He built an entire.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: He changed that entire culture down there, that entire culture
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: where you know, the buccaneer with with the dagger in
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: his mouth went from we're going to guaranteed win to
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a cool throwback for a team that's gonna smack you
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: in the mouth. And Gruden and his problematic emails can
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: come in and take their Super Bowl and that's all
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: great and good. But Tony Dungee turned that organization around.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And whether it's Dion or someone after Dion, that sort
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: of step in that direction, to me would be such
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: an indication of we are not doing things the same
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: anymore here, And obviously I would hope it would work.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's got currently, as we record this, he's
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: got a team that everyone seems to want to lose.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not in that camp, but he's got the Colorado
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Buffalo's the sixteenth team in the nation because he seems
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: to have really maybe he isn't the best play caller
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: or like best you know, X's and O's coach in
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the world, but he's got guys who want to run
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: through brick walls. And I'll take some more of that
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: in Chicago.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And there's this whole thing where you know, we've become
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so accustomed to assistant coaches coordinators who then become head
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: coaches and run one side of the ball. And if
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you go back in the day a little bit, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Tony Dungee came from Minnesota, where Denny Green had Brian
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Billick and Tony Dungee. And you know, I'm not saying
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Denny Green wasn't involved in the offense, right, but he
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: had coordinators. And just as a side note, Denny Green's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: my favorite coach of all time. And he didn't the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: organization didn't continue on that trajectory. But he did the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: same thing in Arizona.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He ever truly got the credit for what he did
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: down there, going down to a place where like no
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: one wanted to be.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he gave us one of the greatest
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Bears quotes of all time on that Monday night they
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: thought they were so great.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, then, with everything you've said,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: why the hell does my football team lose to your
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: team in Chicago every single year, no matter how we are,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: how bad you are, Like, this is such an opportunity
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: for this team to distance itself from that vikings lore, Like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because I think this is better than the past few
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Bears team right now, past few Bears teams.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Ye. The ability, Yeah, and you're going to be coached
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: in the wrong direction or not.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And I think you need to go in and if
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you give yourself a win, you know, outdoors on the road,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the way you want to control a game, I think
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that's a It instills the thing in the locker room
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and you can even that far of that vikings farv team.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure lost to Chicago in a terrible way
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: against a bad team. We just never get it done.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't I don't understand what that hold is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that that city has over this organization. Are other Do
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: other teams struggle there like that?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Can I be like super like meathead sports radio caller
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: about it?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I love it?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the Bears can traditionally and maybe
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: this this is something that comes from ownership. This is
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the stuff we don't know, right, we don't walk in
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: these halls. But I think that they as an organization
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: and then the team itself can get up for.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Big rivalry games.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And you saw them do that for green Bay and
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: green Bay has an air of well, we're not going
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: to lose and I think they've won three of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: last like fourteen.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Or I'm sorry, the Bears are three and fourteen.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so they sort of have this like, well,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we're not going to lose, and so as much as
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the Bears can get up for it, the Packers are
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: still just sort of on the top bunk. And I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: think that for the Vikings, and it's at Daniel Vankirk
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: if anybody wants to be mean to me, but I
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: think for the Vikings it's a one step below of
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like we should win. I hope we do, and that
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of times when the Bears decide to get
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: up for a game, it doesn't cut their way. But
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I think we are on the precipice. And this goes
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: across our entire division of everyone knowing they can beat
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the Bears unless something changes there, like I do not
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: see you guys losing this.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Don't say it, don't want it?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Now? Do you expect me to say anything else? No?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Unless I was like three more lords deep, right, But
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like I don't know what team for mine is going
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: to show up. Ye, so if I average it out,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: they're not as good as if we average out your team,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: can they win? Of course they can't. They should have
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: won three more games this year, and could have won
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: one to two more on top of that had they
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: executed and or been coached appropriately. So, yeah, Bears can
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: win that game. Do I see that happening?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: No?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: And again to be a little meatthead about it without
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: being a championship caliber team. How many demoralizing losses can
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: any group of people, men, women try?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Locker rooms are weird, man?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yes? How many can they take and keep getting up
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: from it? Like, ultimately, do you think, as we record
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: this right now, that the Chiefs care about losing against
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the Bills last week?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I think they're so well built in the locker room,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they're like, that was probably the best thing that could
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: have happened to us. That's what I think they think.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Or you know what I said to my friend, I go, hey,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: if anybody gives you a crap about the Chiefs losing, say, yeah,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: we did lose. We tend to not lose the last
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: game of the season, though, that is the mentality, right,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And so I think, like you saw what happened after
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the Commander's loss. I mean, the Bears, it looked like
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: they didn't even want to play and I hate getting
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: into that meat head level of like psyche of they've.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Given up or are you trying?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Stuff.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I hate that stuff because you and I both know
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: that if we took any one of our cousins or
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: siblings and put us in a basement in the Midwest
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: playing ping pong with a beer in our hand, that
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: there doesn't need to be anyone there for us to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: care that we win. So now let's take somebody who's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: achieved the level of professional sports and do not care
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: if you win on any level of any play ever,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you would have to be such a like diamond level
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Ricky Williams type person to so I never go into
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: the like they don't care. But I think that you
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: can only have as a human panche so many tomorl
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Anxing losses before you just can't get up for the game.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And you might be able to get up for in
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the first quarter, but getting up for in the fourth quarter,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: even in a vacuum of just that game, can be hard.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So I think the Vikings.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Deserve to win based on where people are seasons are going.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I won't be unhappy for them if they do win,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, once kickoff starts I'm like, just
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: be a good team today.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Just be a real football team.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Today, today, you're living in a very different experience than
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: us because we at this I can just feel this
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: state going. Just be real. Please, let it be real.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Let it be real. The last question I have for you,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and it's not a good question to end on because,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: as it turns out, Daniel, I'm not sure I'm great
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: at my job.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: But it is.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It is the thing that I am most curious about
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: because you've talked so much about the like the organization
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and how it's built and the mentality.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, can I cut you off really quick?
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Just because I almost forgot to say this? As you
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: go on, Let's keep in mind when you say organization
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that this was the lamest, most boring season of hard
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: knocks that has ever existed across any moment of any time.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Did you realize that they never cussed? Did you realize
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that because there was a mandate from the Bears, from
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Virginia McCaskey, God bless her, that there should be no cussing. Now,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: you tell me when you're showcasing a football team and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: women athletically, men athletically co d athletically that you're intense
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: and serious about something, but you don't coust So how
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: many real moments, how many real conversations are we actually campturing?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And how much did that affect meetings? Hey, guys, whatever
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you want to say here call out, you can't because
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: we can't cost and there's cameras like that's the organization
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that isn't we're here to win, that's here. We're here
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: to do it the way we think is right. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: for all but one season in the mid eighties and
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: a couple of divisional championships and a conference championship here
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: and there, they don't do it right.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They just don't.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: We're here to make sure nobody dances in this town.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So exactly, No.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I think fan bases psychologies, I don't know if that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a plural or not, but I think they're really interesting.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And the Bears have a unique one that kind of
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: mirrors the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that those are the two
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: pre eminent defensive like vibes. And granted, these are two
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of the older, more iconic franchises, so they carried that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: storied history with them. But do you think there's like
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh it's weird where I really think they believe
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: we'll like we're just a blue collar city and that
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that flows out of our football team. What is it
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: about Chicago?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: What it like?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: This melding of a fan base and a personality and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: an organization that it almost has seemed like for the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: entirety of my fan watching life, we've been like, we
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: just need a good linebacker. Right linebacker is football? Like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: when I go to when I go to Chicago for
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: stand up and I talk to anybody, I just expect
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: them to go linebackers football like, because I don't know
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that it's like obviously you go butt kiss, you go,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you got Urlacker, you go, Khalil Mack, you have all
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, on and on and on. But how
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: much of that is happenstance? It just it fascinates me
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: because it's pretty interesting and unique. And I don't think
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it's an accident or a coincidence that it wound up
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's I think that every ownership
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: group has a strong suit and I think that they
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: impose that on to the people they hire to be
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: their decision makers, and then I think it's a real
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: thing for a city to set the tone. And I
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: think as comics, we can go into a city and
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: whether it's the person we meet at the hotel, our
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: uber driver, the place where you grab something to eat
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and you can go, okay, this is sort of what
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: these people want.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: This is exactly why I was asking ye. I think
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you're exactly right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And I think that that expectation extends itself to those
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: players in the same way that you show up right
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and you walk down what I assume are numerous halls
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: with tons of former players, and if you're a running back,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: you're being asked, can you even look at Gail Sayers
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: and Walter Payton? I mean, you know, just the guy
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: who the NFL named the Man of the Year trophy
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: after can you even get that? And so there's a
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: weight on there that maybe no, I'm being plenty on purpose,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I guess, makes you put more weight on the bar
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: in the gym because there's an expectation. And I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: that when you get to Chicago and you know that
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the defense is here and what the defense has it been,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and you're that type of player, well you better bring it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And I think if you're a quarterback on some level,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: it's a blank slate. There's not a true standard there.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: And I think the organization says, hey, we know, we
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: always get good linebackers, so if you hear somebody, you
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: bring them in. And then they're skittish about quarterbacks because
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: we've never really gotten that right. And is there a
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: one place on the dial that you can point to
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: and go that's where this is determined.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But is it? Is it an
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: amalgamation of things?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I sit there and watch a Bears
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: game and I'm like, all right, if we just get
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: a turn over here, because I feel in some ways
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: often games more comforted when the defense is on the
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: field and we're on the right, on the correct.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Side of the fifty.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Then I do the offense being on the field and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: only to the forty two yard line of the other
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you know, And then you're watch it on the team
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and you're to see like first down, first down. For
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: some you're like, how do they make this look so easy?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: So I really think it's culture. I think it's culture
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: in every sense. If you if you're a quarterback and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you are walking through Midway Airport, I mean, let's be honest,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: you're probably flying into O hair.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But I think I think they're going O hair.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're walking through O'Hair and you see somebody and
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: they recognize you and you're a quarterback, the attitude is like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: we need you, please, please do this for us, please.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And if you're a linebacker and you're a rookie or
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: you're a Khalil Mac and somebody comes in and they go,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you know what you're supposed to do here?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Right, that's yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: That is happening on micro levels all the time, in
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: both both ways.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Does it guarantee anything? No?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Is it a factor if you ask my meathead Rochelle Illinois,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: our THHS graduate brain, Yes, it is a factor. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I think you see those things continue. I mean you
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: look at it. People go oh every time Peyton Manning
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: got another tight end.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: They were great.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because if you're gonna come in after Dallas Clark,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: you better hit your route. It is uncomfortable for you
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: not to. So the sad thing is is Bears have
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: an expect Bears and Bears fans have an expectation of
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: defensive play and they have a hope for quarterback play.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you Daniel for on behalf
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of everybody who's listening for essentially, you know, making us
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: feel like this is gonna go well for us, only
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to put us in a position that we've spent a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: lot of our lives in. Uh, you know, just probably
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen with two and a half minute it's to play,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams has the ball and we're all just
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: furious and nervous. I'm gonna make you do this. You're
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna like it. Give me a score prediction.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I gotta be a meathead and say twenty. Oh, that's
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: way too high for the Bears, seventeen fourteen Bears. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I'm being wishful because I really think it'll probably be
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: ten to fourteen with the Bears having the ball and
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: two and a half minutes left.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So I was just saying, you just basically changed the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: score a little bit. But you put my prediction, my
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: worry prediction to get together there.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in your own way.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I'd like everybody just as a reminder when you're feeling
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: anything on Sunday, It's like that scene in The water Boy. Yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they look up and the guy
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: looks at Kathy Bates.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is the second episode in a row
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: read I've done that dumb bit, but uh me mentioned
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: his Twitter everybody. So when it's ten fourteen and has
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the ball and you're nervous, hop on a hop on
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: old X and find your way to Daniel Vancruz.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You know what, for any if the Bears end up
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: winning and they'll go you know it happened whatever, I'm like, well,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: you guys could have done a lot more with this
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: win than the Bears are gonna, so I wouldn't have
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: been that mad about it. The one thing I really
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: feel bad about the Vikings for is that this seems
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: to be coming together with an upward trajectory, whether it's
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Donald and McCarthy at the same time that the Lions
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: are the NFL's NFC darling, and it's like.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: See, we'll see, baby. I've got a weird confidence and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I never have confidence.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That's what's great.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I never ever have confidence.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I think I think there is a chance. I think
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the Lions might be the best team in football, all
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of football.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. I mean there was a college score last
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: weekend mm hmm.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But the NFL is a one week at a time
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: league sure, And by the way, I think the Lions
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: are the least likely to falter of anybody in the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: NFC right when it comes to what I'm about to say.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It's not like other teams don't feel this, but I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: truly think the Lions have to prove to me an
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: ability to execute sound decisions in multiple playoff games before
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I walk into let's say you're in an NFC championship game,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: whether it's the Packers, whether it's the Vikings, whether it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the Niners, anybody else. Yeah, if they walk into an
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: NFC championship game, even in Detroit, in my brain, I'm going, yeah,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Detroit's the heavy favorite here. This makes a lot of
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: sense to try, but I can't ignore what I've seen
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: so many times in so many important moments, that is
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: just hanging out there. What does it look like in
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the third quarter when it's fourth and four from their
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: own forty and they should probably punt it, but they
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: always go for it. And if they don't get that
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: like that, the disconnect between the line always do their
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: philosophy in Dan Campbell's belief structure versus what is the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: actual situation where in it's kind of like the bill's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: going forward on fourth and two. You go for that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: no matter what as many times because it's Patrick mahomes right.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: If you are looking at Daniel Jones over there, it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a different conversation. And so that is the Lions have
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to show me that and me saying this might result
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in a forty point ass kicking in the playoffs, but
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I would love a shot at being the team to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: put them in that position.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I'm with you.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you one last question so you can
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: remove your own baggage.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Oh difficult?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day? Bears, Lions?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: How badly do you think the Lions are going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: beat the Bears? Twenty points?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Now? Twenty five points?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Who do the Lions have this week?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Do we know? Do you really think it matters?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Listen to me, I do you're nuts?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: No?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, hear me, hear me out. I don't think
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that has anything to do with Chicago. Agree. I think
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: there are two things that we are due for. We
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: are due for, although Golf did have the five interception
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: game and they survived, but we are due for a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: dud from Detroit.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Sure, I think we're due.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: There's been flashes and there's there have been moments, but
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a Caleb Williams game
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: because these people like Viking fans, other fans who are
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: cracking on him. You're out of your mind, I agree,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: But you are out of your mind if you don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: see the special things here.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: What he looks like.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: He looks like a good rookie. I'm pretty sure Peyton
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Manning is rookie here through twenty nine interceptions.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: M h.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And you want to compare him to uh Jaden Daniels
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, don't that guy is having an insane year.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: He is not the mean also way older.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't see that to take anything away from Jaden.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I know it's amazing.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Do not pile on to kle the guy is a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: rookie people.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I love what people are like, well, you know, we're
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks or they're like, we're halfway through
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: the season here, and I go, you mean eight games
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: into someone's career, Like, come on, guys, I'm not saying
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: he's great, but pump the brakes here. Everybody in our
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: you know, instant scratcher gratification life.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Don't be wrong.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I love scratchers more than scratch more than some people
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I'm related to. I love a good scratcher, but I'm
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: just like, let's pull it back. I just don't I
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: think that you can agree that without seeing the line. Yet,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: it's probably eight and a half for the Lions at
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: home on Thanksgiving, and you would wouldn't feel crazy betting it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Come on, I hear, I'm not. I wouldn't get in
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: within a million miles of choosing the Bears to win
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: this football that football game. And I look forward to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: your text on Thanksgiving. At some point Caleb Williams is
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: going to have a special game thank you, and at
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: some point the Lions are going to put a dot
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: on the field. And if those moments cross, because as
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you said, the Bears rise up for and the Lions have.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: The Colts this week.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe the Colts beat them, maybe something weird there happens.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just think there's a space there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: There's just a space there where something weird could happen.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Very small percentage, But I'm not gonna sit here and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: say that the Bears are gonna lose by twenty five.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's also Thanksgiving, It's.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Also thanksgiving Daniel van Kirk. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: having me buddy, you're the best. Thank you everybody for
• 46:26
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• 46:29
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• 46:33
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• 46:35
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• 46:40
  Speaker 1: We'll see you all again next week.