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Life Lessons On Validation, Imposter Syndrome & Success ft. Grace Beverley · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jixi'm zeal And. This is who broke Chicks to
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  Speaker 2: show that she has life lessons and tips to help
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  Speaker 2: make you rich in life. And today we are so
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  Speaker 2: excited we are joined by an absolute modern day power house.
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  Speaker 2: She's founded multiple businesses, including Tala, and she's also the
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  Speaker 2: host of the podcast Working Hard.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Grace Beverly.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Oh my god, this is so exciting. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: And she's also.
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  Speaker 3: For like so long, so this is so exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah. Well, you guys are one of the
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  Speaker 4: first people I wanted to get on when I came here.
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  Speaker 1: So the is mutual best friends, flirting godmother of your
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  Speaker 1: future child baby.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, oh yeah, she just kicked she says, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, Yes, you weren't there. We were talking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was actually yeah, we actually had a private
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  Speaker 4: Did you want BBM No Black Messenger? Black birr is
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  Speaker 4: a big thing here. Sorry to leave you out, but
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  Speaker 4: it's the like people used to put in like their
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  Speaker 4: BBM status, so like you'd someone would spend a week
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  Speaker 4: on with someone or see someone on a Saturday, and
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  Speaker 4: it would be like, your BBM station is like really short,
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  Speaker 4: so it would be like your name, or you'd put
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  Speaker 4: them in your like BBM name shout yeah, so it
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  Speaker 4: would be like Grace and then it would be like
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  Speaker 4: hot Alex or like something like that, and like, don't
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  Speaker 4: you don't like I. You'd see it pop up and
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  Speaker 4: you'd be.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, don't you remember when? Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember when Snapchat would rank who this? Yes? But then
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  Speaker 1: they started revealing if the guy you're talking to was
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  Speaker 1: a dirty dog because there was an emoji if you
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  Speaker 1: were both each other's Yes, snapchat up, but there was
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  Speaker 1: an emoji if they were yours but you weren't there.
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  Speaker 4: So my friend found out that her boyfriend was cheating
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  Speaker 4: by that. No, I have another friend who found out
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  Speaker 4: that boyfriend was cheating via snap maps. Shut the fuck
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  Speaker 4: because she was like, I know that house. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into the episode, which I wish,
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  Speaker 2: we could just talk about snapchat all day long, but
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  Speaker 2: we like to start with our life lessons of the week,
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  Speaker 2: So would you like to kick us off?
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  Speaker 4: I'm god, I have to kick you off.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to week and start if you want us.
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  Speaker 4: To give you Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So my life lesson of the week is a clip
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  Speaker 1: that I saw from Giggly Squad's Tiki talkie, and it
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  Speaker 1: was that the difference between anxiety and intuition is that
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  Speaker 1: anxiety is a question.
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  Speaker 3: Mmmm, so if you're gonnall me more.
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  Speaker 4: More, tell me? So, if you're like, is he cheating
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  Speaker 4: on me?
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  Speaker 3: That's anxiety, oh, where intuition is more of a fact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where you go, I think he's cheating on me,
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  Speaker 1: that's intuition because most of the time, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: from that, you're probably pulling in on evidence.
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  Speaker 3: You're pulling in from your gut.
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  Speaker 1: And the other difference is that anxiety it feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's in your head, whereas intuition feels like it comes
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  Speaker 1: from your gut. So if you are whirling in your brain,
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  Speaker 1: that's anxiety.
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  Speaker 3: If you get the tummy drop, that's intuition.
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  Speaker 4: That's really interesting. Yeah, I feel like that makes me
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  Speaker 4: think about the fact that one thing I've realized at
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  Speaker 4: the pasty And this is not my life less of
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  Speaker 4: a Week. I will provide you with another. But I
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  Speaker 4: there was like this article that was basically saying that
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  Speaker 4: your phone it was like the whole point of the
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  Speaker 4: article was that your phone is the reason you don't
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  Speaker 4: feel sexy, but more what I took out of it
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  Speaker 4: was it's basically it was talking about the fact that
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  Speaker 4: your phone makes you in your head all the time,
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  Speaker 4: whereas in reality, like in past generations, you've probably been
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  Speaker 4: in your body just as much as you're in your head.
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  Speaker 4: So like say you're walking around, you're sitting in a cafe,
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  Speaker 4: say you're waiting for a plane, and say, like whatever,
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  Speaker 4: it might be like you're in your body, you're not
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  Speaker 4: in your head just like existing exactly like you just
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  Speaker 4: you're not thinking all the time as in not to
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  Speaker 4: such like a I don't know, like constant analysis, like
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  Speaker 4: all of these different things, and your phone puts you
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  Speaker 4: in that way because you're constantly in that like learning,
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  Speaker 4: absorbing information, coming in mindset, which I feel like. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's so true. I'm never in my body,
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  Speaker 4: and now I try and like put myself into my
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  Speaker 4: body more times of the day. So I try and
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  Speaker 4: like even if I'm walking from one place to another,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, do I need music to do this? Like
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  Speaker 4: as in should I just have a walk? Yes? And
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  Speaker 4: then I try and do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even showers.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I don't remember the last time I
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  Speaker 1: went to the toilet and didn't take my phone with me.
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  Speaker 4: Well exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of star like that's where I draw the line.
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  Speaker 4: But it's true. It's like, no wonder we have such
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  Speaker 4: increased anxiety when actually we allow ourselves to be in
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  Speaker 4: our heads when are meant to be in our bodies.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like we can actually feel that, Like
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  Speaker 4: you feel the difference, just like you were saying with
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  Speaker 4: like head and gut, can I feel that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Come you just one hundred percent can tell. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like when you go into the gut brain
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  Speaker 1: relation and we need to be in gut more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, get in.
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  Speaker 3: Your gun A primal year, A year to gat.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: My life lesson of the way is really serious. And
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  Speaker 2: it's that when you're standing on a set of stairs,
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  Speaker 2: you're never standing backwards.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I hate this, what happened?
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  Speaker 3: How crazy is that?
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  Speaker 4: I just got it right? Did you get it?
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  Speaker 1: I feel because you're either facing down or you're facing up,
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  Speaker 1: so you're never backwards.
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  Speaker 4: How weird?
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  Speaker 1: Is that I don't like that that my anxiety just
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  Speaker 1: asked a question buck in her head.
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  Speaker 4: I know, what have you done.
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  Speaker 3: You're the gut is over, You're the guy is dead.
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  Speaker 3: Get on the stands now.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's boys everywhere after all.
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  Speaker 3: Now not for them.
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  Speaker 4: I can have the gut exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, okay, what's your life erson of the week.
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  Speaker 4: So I'd say my life lesson is I'm bringing back
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  Speaker 4: lucky girl syndrome, which is like, yeah, this is great
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  Speaker 4: for you. But I just think that, like I was
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  Speaker 4: once really in my Lucky Girl's syndrome vibe, and then
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  Speaker 4: it's easy to get out of it. And I mean
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  Speaker 4: it in terms of like a headspace, like you know
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  Speaker 4: when you just repeat to yourself again and again, like
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  Speaker 4: everything just works out for me. Everything just works out
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  Speaker 4: for me, and you just you just gotta believe it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like that's one thing that I've like,
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  Speaker 4: really I've tried to it's having its renaissance in my
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  Speaker 4: life at the moment, and I feel like it's you've
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  Speaker 4: just got to put in the work to do it,
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  Speaker 4: because it's very easy to get into the groove of
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  Speaker 4: just like going around and being like Okay, oh this
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  Speaker 4: is annoying, like I missed the bus or like this happened,
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  Speaker 4: all this happened, And it's like, realistically, how many times
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  Speaker 4: do those things happen and not have a way of
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  Speaker 4: like figuring themselves out or like ending in the right place,
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  Speaker 4: or like whatever it might be. And I just think that, actually,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm back to it. I'm back to
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  Speaker 4: everything that goes slightly wrong. It's like, oh, well, everything
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  Speaker 4: works out for me, so it's not gone wrong. There
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  Speaker 4: must be like a reason.
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  Speaker 1: In redirection, you've like the brain spotlight on the good vibe, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: rather than the brain spotlight on the bad vibe exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And I just like thinking of myself as a lucky girl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And because when you're not in that headspace as well,
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  Speaker 2: even when good things do happen, you say them more
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  Speaker 2: as a checklist.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's like yellow car theory.
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  Speaker 1: I like you say that when you're looking out for
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  Speaker 1: a yellow car.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, the reason I look so confused is
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  Speaker 4: because I was like, I just said this wrong, the
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  Speaker 4: wrong car. But it's like when you say you're gonna fight,
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  Speaker 4: like you're looking for something and you start noticing them more.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise you don't notice the yellow cars. So it's like
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  Speaker 4: that's the same with your luck. It's like you allow
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  Speaker 4: yourself to notice the things that go right, whereas like
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  Speaker 4: if you're negatively biased, you constantly notice the things that
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  Speaker 4: go wrong. And actually, just like I had such a
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  Speaker 4: day yesterday where I was just like, I'm so lucky.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the luckiest girl in the world, and I just
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  Speaker 4: it's not even like her showing off or like, it's
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  Speaker 4: a state of mind so that everything that goes a
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  Speaker 4: bit annoyingly wrong, you're like, Okay, well that's fine, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm the luckiest girl in the world and everything works
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  Speaker 4: out for me. So I'm sure this is for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: I learned that we have one of our best friends.
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  Speaker 1: We were in Europe and she came out as a
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  Speaker 1: lucky girl and she was.
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  Speaker 3: And the crazy thing was that she kept us calling
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  Speaker 3: herself lucky.
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  Speaker 1: That we then also started noticing all the things that
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  Speaker 1: she like that just worked it like we're like, fuck
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  Speaker 1: lucky girl. Like we were like, oh my god, that
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  Speaker 1: even when someone so enthusiastically embraced it individually, we then
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  Speaker 1: also picked up on.
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  Speaker 2: It and we reap the benefits of her lucky girl.
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  Speaker 4: It's not accidental. It has to be something. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: it just has to be where your head is.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the episode.
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  Speaker 4: We now life lessons out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: So Grace, as we mentioned, you were aware of many hats.
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  Speaker 2: You've launched businesses, you have an incredibly successful podcast, but
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  Speaker 2: you studied music at Oxford, right, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Telly Prank, that's wild.
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  Speaker 2: Did you always think that you were going to be
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  Speaker 2: launching businesses? Is this where you thought that you would
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  Speaker 2: end up?
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  Speaker 4: No, I definitely didn't think. I didn't like see entrepreneurship
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  Speaker 4: as a career path. It just wasn't something that like
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  Speaker 4: I was around or was like seen as I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see it. And so I think that in
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  Speaker 4: my mind, my career path was always like I never
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  Speaker 4: knew what I wanted to do, Like I never and
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  Speaker 4: I've always been so like envious of people who have
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  Speaker 4: who are like, I want to do this, this is
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  Speaker 4: the path to get there, Like this is what I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do because I think I would I would
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  Speaker 4: lend well to that type of thing, because I'm like
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  Speaker 4: good at following that type of structure. But I've just
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  Speaker 4: never had that like direction, I guess since super early.
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  Speaker 4: I just always so. I guess what I defaulted to
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  Speaker 4: instead was very much what can I do that's the
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  Speaker 4: most impressive. I think that was something that when I
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  Speaker 4: was a teenager I definitely always tried to do. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that was I think that was from insecurity.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think that that was very much like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I saw the response that got from people, and it
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  Speaker 4: was about impressing other people undred percent, and like the
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  Speaker 4: response that got from my parents and like the respect,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, okay, external validation one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my best friend. And so I think I still
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  Speaker 4: like it, I think, But I so, I think that
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  Speaker 4: was like always my thing. I don't actually so I
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  Speaker 4: always say, like I used to be. I used to
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  Speaker 4: want to be like a banker or a lawyer or
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  Speaker 4: like basically anything that, yeah, anything that if you said
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  Speaker 4: to someone they'd be like, wow, impressive. And none of
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  Speaker 4: that was based on my can innate desire to do
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  Speaker 4: any of those things. I think it was more based
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  Speaker 4: on an innate desire to like prove myself. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that that's something that's been always part of me.
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  Speaker 4: As a person, and I now try and like fight
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  Speaker 4: that pretty regularly because I'm like, you don't need to
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  Speaker 4: be doing that all the time, Like that's not how
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  Speaker 4: you build a life that you love. So I was
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  Speaker 4: always kind of like going towards that direction. And in
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  Speaker 4: the UK it's a little bit different, I think from
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  Speaker 4: a lot of other places in that can you don't
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  Speaker 4: need to study something related to the thing that you
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  Speaker 4: go into, So a lot of like banking or legal
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  Speaker 4: or any of these kind of careers, they don't necessarily
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  Speaker 4: hire from vocational degrees. They often hire from like humanities
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. There's definitely I think what i'd seen or
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  Speaker 4: what I'd been advised as a teenager is like go
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  Speaker 4: to the best university you can for something you care about,
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  Speaker 4: and you'll be able to get a good job. And
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  Speaker 4: so I yeah, and I was really so the music
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  Speaker 4: I studied, I think that it's a bit strange because
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  Speaker 4: I think that you would assume if you were studying
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  Speaker 4: music you'd be doing like performance and all of that.
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  Speaker 4: The specific degree I did was very specific to the
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  Speaker 4: university and it was like all like the politics and
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  Speaker 4: philosophy of music. So a lot of the papers I
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  Speaker 4: did were all around like historical associations with music, so
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  Speaker 4: like political movements and the associated music, or like censorship
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  Speaker 4: around particular political movements and like what that meant in
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  Speaker 4: music and like various other things.
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  Speaker 3: Fine, do you know what that makes sense?
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  Speaker 1: Though, because when you kind of think about like movies
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  Speaker 1: that are either in America or in the UK, everyone
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  Speaker 1: always says I studied at Oxford, or I studied at Harvard,
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  Speaker 1: or I studied blah blah blah blah, and they say
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  Speaker 1: the university, whereas here you go, oh, I studied a
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor of Arts Marketing or like.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's what happens when it's around like like
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  Speaker 4: Ivy League and Oxbridge, because it's like that's the important
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  Speaker 4: if that makes sense. Like I feel like people say
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  Speaker 4: to me far more like, oh, you went to Oxford
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  Speaker 4: than like, oh, you studied music. I think the music,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a bit of like just trying to make
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  Speaker 4: my trivia card harder. But it's like that was what
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  Speaker 4: I was just told to do. I was told to
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  Speaker 4: get into the best university you can for something that
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  Speaker 4: you are interested in, and you'd happily study for three years.
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  Speaker 4: And I was always really really interested around that like
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  Speaker 4: the influence or the existence of music in certain like
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  Speaker 4: political eras that reflected like Soviet Russia for example, like
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  Speaker 4: what the music was like there in reflection of the
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  Speaker 4: actual political landscape, and then like music as rebellion and
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  Speaker 4: like all of those different things. So I was very
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  Speaker 4: interested in that. So the actual whole degree I did,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was all essay based, So I didn't
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  Speaker 4: do I didn't do a single bit of performance as
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  Speaker 4: any of my So it's kind of like it was
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  Speaker 4: a very specific humanity I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But that's still ladders art because it's still a creative space.
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  Speaker 2: And also I'm sure you built so many skills around
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  Speaker 2: critical thinking and research, which would come in and with
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  Speaker 2: the research you do for your businesses.
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  Speaker 4: But also your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean, like you can say the mind
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  Speaker 2: map of how like even if what you did at
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  Speaker 2: UNI doesn't exactly later up to what you do now
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  Speaker 2: in a way that is super obvious.
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  Speaker 4: There's links there. Oh yeah, it's like tens of thousands
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  Speaker 4: of pounds worth of dinner party conversation. Yeah, like a
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  Speaker 4: niche knowledge around political arism music. But like that's that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: You know, got to make myself interesting somehow, but I
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  Speaker 4: do very much. I don't know. I think that like
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  Speaker 4: the main things I learnt out of that degree were
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  Speaker 4: nothing to do with as much as I learned all
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  Speaker 4: of what was in the degree, and like the independent
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  Speaker 4: study and all of that, it was more the I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I started my first business in my first year at UNI,
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  Speaker 4: so the entire time was like this massive juggling act.
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  Speaker 4: And I also at Oxford they don't let you have
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  Speaker 4: a job. So there's this like, really, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: outdated rule because I think that it only suits certain
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  Speaker 4: people from certain demographics, which says that you cannot have
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  Speaker 4: a job during term time. And the reasoning is is
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  Speaker 4: because the terms are so short, so like semesters, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, what do you call them term semesters? Yeah, semesters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So the semesters are so short, they're like eight weeks,
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  Speaker 4: so you actually have more time out of university than
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  Speaker 4: you have in. So they're like, you can do whatever
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  Speaker 4: you would want to do outside of that time, but
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  Speaker 4: you have ten thousand words a week, so it's like
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  Speaker 4: a very intense workload, and so they don't believe that
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  Speaker 4: you could uphold even a part time job, whilst also
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  Speaker 4: studying and so, which is a different setup from the
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  Speaker 4: US system, for example, which they expect most people to
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  Speaker 4: need some sort of job or whatever it might be,
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  Speaker 4: or at least some people to and therefore it would
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  Speaker 4: be understandable there is actually a rule at Oxford that
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  Speaker 4: you are not allowed a job. So that was an
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  Speaker 4: added layer on top of everything I was doing, which
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  Speaker 4: was like, don't let anyone know that you are doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Like well, it was like, you have to do this
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  Speaker 4: to a level that no whatever suspects or kind of
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  Speaker 4: could use against you the fact that you are.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: And that's why I want to kind of go back
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: to something that you were saying before though about how
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: you were kind of motivated to do things that you
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: would feel impressed to other people and that external validation,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: which like, yeah, we love a little bit of GSD, right,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: But what was the journey like moving away from that
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and moving away from like the need to impress other
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: people because I think that that is such an inherent
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: thing that's ingrained, especially in women, and also like the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: highlight reel of social media to be impressive, to be
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: like different and smart and all these things. That how
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: did you go on that journey of moving away from
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: needing external validation.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: So I'm definitely not that yet. Journey. I love a
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: bit of exciting word.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like everyone does.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think my life is now less based
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: on it. But I think that I would be lying
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: if I said that that was due to mental strength
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: rather than to the position I've got to in my career.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Like I think that it's probably quite easy for me
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to say, like, oh, I've moved away from more external validation,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: when actually I've got to a place where I think
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I get probably enough external validation naturally every day based
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: on the perception of me from people seeing my job,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: if that makes sense, rather than oh, I don't need
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: it exactly. So I mean it's been conscious, like I've
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: really tried to move away from that as a like
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: decision making protocol because I don't think it's the right
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: way to make decisions for your own life. But at
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: the same time, it's not like a oh that's turned
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: off now, like I just do things for myself and
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: for my own interest, because that is a big fat
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: lad Yeah was it?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: More that's about pulling away for it and more than
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: more about leaning into it, and more about leaning into
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what serves my validation and then naturally that follows.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think like switching to internal validation is
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: important part of it, Like what can you get out
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of doing the right thing for yourself that makes you
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: feel good rather than doing the right thing because other
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: people perceive it to be that way. I think it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: also like when you're at the beginning of a journey
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: of like knowing that you particularly go for external validation,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: it's really hard to separate those things because usually what
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: makes you feel good internally is the things that make
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: you feel impressive externally or whatever it might be. So
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think over time I definitely just
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: tried to. It's not necessarily about not going for it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I think it's more about knowing that I it should
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: be the way I make decisions, So something can be
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: impressive and something I still decide to do as long
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: as it aligns with like all of these other things
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: that I want my life to be. But doing things
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: purely based on the fact that I think that they're
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: impressive and I'm going to be taken more so is
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: just like a means to serve, like the chip on
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: my shoulder, which is not.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like is this decision coming because it feels good
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: for me. Yes, And you would have to make a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: million difficult decisions, I would say, every single day running
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know, multiple companies and like the beast that like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Tala is now when you look back on your journey,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: is there anything that springs to mind that you think, Hm,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I'd do that differently.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, just so much. Oh tell me why.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's a hard question because every decision
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: leads you to where you are now, even like you
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: we're talking about the lucky girl syndrome. So like, for example,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: when I launched Tala, I launched it as part of
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: a licensing agreement, and I did that because I didn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: want to because I'd already had Shreddy for two years
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and that had hundreds of thousands of customers. So I
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: knew that there was going to be interested in this
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: thing because I had eyes on me based on my
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: other business and based on people being interested, the Shready
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: customer was going to hopefully buy Tala like they were
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: the same demographic. So I knew that to launch at
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the level we would need to launch at Aka for
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: our first launch ever to be able to serve the demand.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Probably the first order was going to be like five
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand pounds, and I was like, that's too much
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: risk for me to take on personally, even though I
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: didn't want to give away equity in the company. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I used the sales that i'd done from Shreddy, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I went to pitch to people about essentially doing like
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: a licensing agreement or a revenue split essentially, so like
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: you could fit the bill and I could, and you
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: get paid back for it essentially and with interest, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I don't. It's not like a formalized loan agreement, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it's not a it's not a kind of you don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: get equity in the company. So I did that, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: then I decided to I ran the company like that
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: for the first year and a half, and then I
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: realized that just wasn't going to work for the business.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: It was like it was too complex, it was hard
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: to hire people. The people I was working with just
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: didn't have the same vision for the business as me.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: They were really happy to make it like a kind
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: of merch company and just make it like serving a
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: certain thing and like, I don't know, compromising certain ethics
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: and like all of that, and I just wasn't up
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: for that, so I had to go through an extremely painful,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: like over six months legal process to get out of that,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: and that like nearly killed the business. So at the time,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: obviously I would have been like, fucking wish I never
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: did am I as, yeah, thank you, I.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Feel like, yeah, it's your day.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: So I think that, like, obviously at that time I
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: would have been like a fucking wish I did that differently.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, everything done there, and there's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: pace at which we were able to launch. Who's to
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: say that we would have launched well, Like, who's to
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: say that we would have had that first year and
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: a half working well enough to get to where we
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: did the next year and a half. And so I
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: think that it's I'm not trying for it to be
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: a cop out answer, but it's kind of a really
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: good way to look at it. It's how you have
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: to look at things because also, like, there are so
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: many things that don't work out. There are so many
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: like categories that we've tried that I thought would be
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: amazing and that we invested loads of money in and
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: like they sold, but they didn't sell how they should
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: and therefore you don't go into them, and you've already
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: spent so much time developing them. So it's just like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like having a business is that over and
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: over and over. Looking at it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: That way though, really helps what I would think helps
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: with decision paralysis, because that is something that like I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: personally struggle with, being like, fuck, what if I make
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the wrong decision, and so then I end up sitting
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in paralysis where I don't end up making a decision,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: when in reality, the.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Best decision you make is the one that you end
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: up making.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So one of the best decision making frameworks I've heard
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: about that that I use is now you have no choice,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I ate this. So is a decision a one way
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: door decision or a two way door decision. A one
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: way door decision is a decision you make once and
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: you cannot go back, or it's going to cost you
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: thousands or one hundreds thousands or whatever like whatever is
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: too much resistance to go back. A two way door
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: decision is something that you can make a decision if
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: it doesn't work, it doesn't need to stay open, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you can go back through that door. The large majority
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: of decisions are actually two way door decisions. They feel
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: like one way door decisions because you're like, ah shit,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: this is such a big life change or like whatever
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: it might be, most of them are genuinely two way
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: door decisions. So I've learned that, as you say, the
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: best decision is the one that you can make quickly
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: and can make right. So you know the whole saying, like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: make a decision and then make that decision right, like
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: you don't just wait to see if it was right decision.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: You do the work, You do the follow through, like
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: all of the things that actually is going to make
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that work. And so that's like, that's really what I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: go by because in a business, you obviously have to
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: make like an insane amount of decisions today and they
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: all technically need to be the right ones. Realistically they're
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: probably not even close to the right ones, but a
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: we do the work to at least follow through enough
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to make them feel like the right one, or you go, great,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: we tried that, it didn't work. We've done one more
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: thing now that we know is a yes or a
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: note for the business. That's still progress, Like it might
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: not be progress in the way that you thought it
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: was going to be, but that is still progress. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: so I think that is, like, that's something that I've
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: had to integrate into my every day is like you
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: make a decision fast, and you understand what's one way
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: door or two way door. Like a one way door
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: decision probably, for example, from my example, would be getting
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: investment from a fund that is completely unaligned to who
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: we are, Like that is hella paperwork that is going
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: to be extremely hard to extricate yourself from. That is
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: going to be just could sink the business and could
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: take away your entire joy from the business. So that
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: is a decision that should take months, Like it should
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: take month.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the one way door decisions are the ones
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that we don't make these quickly. No, you sit on.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: That and they should have two way door decisions. You
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: spend too much time on you're going to make it
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the wrong yea.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So treating all decisions like a one way door is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: where you end up in decision paralysis exactly. And then
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: treating all decisions like a two way door is where
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you end up sucking up because then if ones are
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: one one Yeah, but I think the generally the lesson
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: actually is that like that's correct with the one way door,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: but realistically.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Most decisions are with two way doors. We just think
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: they're one way doors. Like it's so easy to think
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: about like everything in your life is a massive decision. Realistically,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: that's just like that's categorically not the case.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I like that analysis or like that way of looking
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: at it, though, because you could apply that in business or.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: In day to day decision making as well.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And you wear so many hats, like every single day,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you'd have so many different things that you have going on.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Can you take us through, what is a day in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: your life like? And what are the small habits that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you put into place to kick off those goals?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, so a day in my life. I'm going to
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: give you a real answer soon, I promise you. It's
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: hard to say because it goes back and forth and
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: they're like many different types of days. Yeah, I'll give
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: you like maybe an overview of what a week would
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: look like, because I think that's actually like a better
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: reflection of what overall yes like. Because also the businesses
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I run are different types of businesses, so some of
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: them require different levels of input from me week to week.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Then they all have crunch times like all of that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: so I just try and balance it out in a
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: way where they're not going to have crunch times at
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: the same time, and I can still get back to
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: everyone because it might be that like Shreddy's having a
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: huge launch and it's like a massive thing, and like
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: people at Tala's still the answers from me that week,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: if that makes sense. So the way my week works
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: is it's not split like by company. It's more split
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: by type of work. Because I think one of the
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: mistakes people get into is like switching between types of
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: work really hard. So for example, I obviously have a podcast.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I don't record that every week, and I don't switch
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: between that because I find it really really hard, like
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to do a podcast in an engaging way. I have
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to be a normal human being to do my work
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: at my laptop for however many hours I need to
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: do it that day. I need to be like an
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: abnormal and probably quite like you know, like very lot
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: to the point like locked in person, which just doesn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: lend itself to like the funnest chats. So like Monday's
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: my work from home day. I tend to keep it
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: that way. I really like having the week book ended
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: if I can with work from home, mainly because so
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: much comes in throughout the week that I want to
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: make sure I'm not bottlenecking any of the companies. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: think that's one thing that's really come up for me
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: over the past few years is like, am I still
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: reviewing something or approving something because it is me doing
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: my due diligence for the company, or is this bottlenecking
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: and therefore delaying everything. So that means that with Mondays
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: and four I can get through like a hell of
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of work because I am like a speed
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: demon when it comes to me on my laptop. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: so I do that, and I have all my standing calls.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: So I have a call with my chiefert staff. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: have a call with Tala CEO. I have a call
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: with the commercial director at Shreddy. I basically have all
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: like my what do we absolutely have to do, Like
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: how are we making sure we're on the same page.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: They've had their call with their founders so they understand
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: like what top priorities are or whatever it might be,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: or they're reporting certain things to me, and so we've
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: got like a good state of play by the beginning
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: of the week. Then Tuesday is my like intense meeting day.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: So I try and get as many meetings as possible,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Like I would rather have Tuesday filled to the break
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: than have meetings dotted the rest of the week, because
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: again I'm not good at work switching, Like I'll do it,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: but the I'm so productive when you can give me
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: like a deep work block. So from the beginning of
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Tuesday to the very end of Tuesday, I will be
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: in like locked in in various different meetings. So that
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: could be product meetings, that tala, that could be marketing meetings,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: that could be brand influencer that could be I don't know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: It could be not a personal meeting but like a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: personal brand type associated meeting. It could be all of
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: these different things. So I try and do those like
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: maximum possible. Then on Wednesday, Wednesday morning, that's when I
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: get any content done. So if I needed to do
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: a brand deal, if I needed if I wanted to
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: do some TikTok's about some certain all of that, like
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I block out that time. So like you'll notice a
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: pattern which is like everything is like blocked in a
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: very like routine way. But I also think what works
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: so well is like you've got to remember that four
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: companies are vying for this time and I don't mean
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: that in a kind of life. I'm still popular way,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: but like, if you need something from me, you need
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to know, Okay, Well, if it's a meeting, it's probably
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: gonna happen on Grace's Tuesday. If it's some content, it's
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: probably gonna happen on Wednesday. So in that case, we
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: can request certain things by this date or whatever it
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: might be, and that means everything keeps on flowing. There's
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: no like, oh, well, Grace might be shopping in Paris
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: that day, which was but like do you get what
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So it's to be rigid and the hack is time blocking, Yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and also knowing your skills. So for example, for us,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I think a whole day of meetings, we'd be like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we can't do that because we know that by two
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: o'clock the final three meetings are going to be points exactly,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Whereas like for us, we're like, we know that on
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Fridays we're in a good mood in the morning, we're fresh,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: so that's when we record the podcast. It's like understanding
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: your strengths and weaknesses and allowing time in the schedule
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to support those strengths and weaknesses.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think That's exactly it. It's like knowing yourself
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: is the best productivity hack you could ever have. Like
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: everyone can say, oh, do this, do deep work, do
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: time blocking, do the like whatever method like all of this,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the best thing you could ever do for your productivity
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: is knowing yourself. So if you know that you crash
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: after a certain time, if you know that you need
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: a bit of a warm up, which lots of people
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: think they do, most people actually don't. They just they
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: don't want to do their hard thing first thing in
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: the morning. If you know that you once you've had meetings,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: you're not very good at deep work. Like all of
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: these different things, you have to know yourself, and once
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: you know yourself, that is how you can actually plan
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: your life. Like all of that is based on me.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: So like Wednesday morning filming, for example, if I've had
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: meetings in the morning, I'm not gonna film, yeah, because
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I will be in a completely I've just been in
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: a completely different mood, Like I'll be in a problem
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: solving mood. I'll be in a like I want to
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: like bash us out with this team so that we
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: know what the strategy is or whatever. So you want
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: me to go on like a cute little chatty TikTok.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely fuck not, Like no one will enjoy that TikTok
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: because I'll literally like so like, I know that has
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: to be first saying yeah, but I'm not. I don't know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I've got many different modes and I'm fortunate enough to
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: be in the position where i can design my week
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: around those. And of course there are certain things that
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: come in and soay. For example, like every product meeting
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you have, not like a one to one product meeting,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: like a product department of meeting. Those are like three
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: and a half hours, So that's going to be a
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: whole morning or a whole afternoon. So I'm not going
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: to use my Tuesday meeting slots for that. That's probably
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: going to be a Wednesday or probably going to be
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: a Thursday, and that's probably going to throw off some
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: of the rest of the schedule. Like You've got to
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: stay flexible, particularly when I'm working at all these different companies,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: like I cannot make things slow down for them.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly how do you manage And not to say that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this is something you've experienced, but if it is like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the imposta syndrome of it, because eighty two percent of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: gen ZED workers feel like they experience imposta syndrome, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious to know if you've had that experience
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or what your advice would be regardless, because you are
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: so not to use word, but impressive.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Like you there's my little chair.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah you can go a bit, but like.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You just fucking are so smart and like listening to you,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you just know what you're talking about. I'm one hundred
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: percent sure you've put in all of the work to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: get to that point. But it's like how, I like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: how did you get past impaster syndrome if you've ever
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: had it? Or like, what's your advice to anyone that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: does feel like they have it?
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So I mean, first of all, thank you, that
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: was very nice.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Anytime I'm still.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'm flirting, okay f hr, there's no h.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, you're on your own. So I think that the
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: first thing to say is I've absolutely had imposter syndrome.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: I think also worth saying that. As much as I
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: am technically gen Z, I also started my first business
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: ten years ago, so there's like, I know, like lots
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: of people start to work at that stage as well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: but I think that like over ten years you do. Definitely.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I think building self trust and building self confidence is
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: a big way of defeating imposter syndrome because you know
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: that it might be like an anxiety in your head,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: it might be something that you think you have, but realistically,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: if someone came up to you and were like, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be here, you'd be like, yeah, I fucking shouldn't.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: This is why. So I think like that's an important part.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I think that whenever I speak to people who work
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: in a more corporate setting, for example, about imposter syndrome,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: the first thing I always say is that imposter syndrome
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: is likely a reflection of your environment. So if you
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: don't see many women in your position, if you don't
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: see many black women in your position, if you don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: see someone who looks like you or reflects you, or
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: is from your background, you're going to feel imposter syndrome
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: not because of who you are, but because of how
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: the workplace is set up and hasn't necessarily come that
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: far in terms of diversity or in terms of like
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: diversity of background, or like any of these things. So
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: that means imposter syndrome is then problem, not a you problem,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and it's a it's I guess useful to some extent,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: like you know it's there, but it's only information. It's
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: not an instruction. It's not like, okay, well now you
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: need to feel like this. It's just what the workplaces
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: look like and where it looks now, and you can
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: use that as some information that reflects them, not you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: So I think that's quite important. I also think that
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: imposter syndrome is a really good thermostat for telling you
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: whether you're outside your comfort zone or not, because if
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: you don't have imposter syndrome in your job for more
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: than a year, in my opinion, you're probably not progressing
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: at the rate you want to progress unless you actually
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: don't want to progress. There are many people who don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: want to progress, and that is more than fine. Like
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I will always be the biggest proponent for there are
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: different types of work for different people, and you don't
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: need to want to be a fucking CEO, like I
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: don't think that, even though social media makes that look
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: so glamorous, Like I don't think that's suited for everyone.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Not everyone even needs to manage people like all of that,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But I think that as part of that, what you
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: can really work out is like, Okay, I've not had
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: imposter syndrome for a year or two, Am I pushing
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: myself out there? Like? Am I doing enough things that
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: put me out of my comfort zone or that put
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: me in a place where I think, shit, I need
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: to do extra work for this. I need to maybe
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: even read some books like to understand how to manage
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: this conversation or relationship properly. Or I need to watch
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: some YouTube videos and some ted talks and like all
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: of that to actually learn an upskill. I think that
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: actually the bigger problem is if you're not feeling it regularly.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: That just gave me butterflies.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: That literally gave me batter flies because I was like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: what a fucking amazing way.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: To look at it. But that's the thing. It's like
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: so many like imposter syndrome is delivered to women as
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: a almost like uh, you must have this, and you
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: must feel bad about it or you must fight it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: And in reality, if I'm feeling that because I'm pushing
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: outside of my comfort zone, like why are we looking
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: at that as a negative thing? Like great, you're in
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: the right place, perfect.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you shall stay here, yes.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Ch.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can't find your passport to get high.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. I ate it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I guess, if you're not feeling imposter syndrome,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: maybe it's because you're fulfilled in what you're doing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be that. Like so for example, that's
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: a really good point because for example, I mean, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: probably feel imposter syndrome still a few times a year,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: which is my indicator to myself that I'm not like coasting,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: and I'm happy with that. But at the same time,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I don't feel it every day, and maybe I've reached
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: a stage in my career where I don't need to
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: feel it every day. I do think that it's often
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: asked to women in their twenties and early thirties in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the early stages of their career, were actually, if you're
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: pushing yourself.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, you've completely altered in my brain chemistry with
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that one great job.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Gorgeous researcher.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the chicks listening would have
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: had like a little light bulb moment then, because another
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: thing that a lot of young women get talk about
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: or experience is also the feeling of being a people pleaser.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: And I know that this is something that you've said
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that you have experienced or do still experience, especially because
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: unlike some CEOs and founders, like you are also the face,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the outward public face of.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Your businesses and of the projects that you work on.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: What has your experience been like with that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that's one of the main reasons why
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: I've actually tried as much as possible not to make
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: the businesses like reliant on me. I mean, there are
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: many different reasons why I've done that. Obviously, Like we've
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: got investment at some of them. Like you don't invest
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: in one individual person, like that's not the smartest investment,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Like you invest in consumer companies that do well statistically
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: based on a number of different things and a number
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: of different metrics, and like I worked a lot of
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: time on making sure that all the like if you
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: look at the company's feeds now, for example, you'd probably
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: take a good few scrolls and see me once, yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: maybe twice. Like so I think that, and I think
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: that's been a conscious decision to make sure that I
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: am not held back by this people pleasing thing. Because
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: a company, it should please its customers, but it shouldn't
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: sway like the wind based on what one person says,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: because if you've got hundreds of thousands or millions of customers,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you're not gonna please everyone with every drop. You're not
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: gonna make everyone feel happy about every decision, and you
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: still need to be able to make decisions without getting
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: that paralysis that you often get with like people bleasing
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: and wanting to do the right thing for you versus
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: other people. All of that. So I guess that's on
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: the business side. I think with me, I'm still a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: people pleaser, and there's I think that what I'm trying
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: to do consciously all the time is make sure that
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not a people pleaser to the extent that it
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: that I'm living my life for other people. But at
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: the same time, I also like a lot of my
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: people pleasing traits, Like I like being a kind person.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: I like being a person who thinks about the feelings
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: of others before I deliver something, or kind of making
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: sure that I don't deliver something at a certain time
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: so they don't feel a certain way. Like I understand
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: there is a difference between empathetic and caring person and
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: a people pleaser, but I often think that like we
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: we tell women in particular like these are the traits
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: you need to be a leader, and they're all these
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: quote unquote masculine traits. Actually, I want to be a
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: leader with all of these quote unquote feminine traits, Like
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I want to be empathetic, I want to be understanding.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I want to think about whether that person's had a
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: bad day before I deliver some shit news or I
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: tell them their work wasn't good or whatever, Like I
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: care about those things. And I think that the way
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: it becomes an obstacle is when you you can't live
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: your own life because you're constantly living it for other people,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: and you're constantly trying to impress other people or to
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: make them happier, whatever, and therefore you say yes to
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: things you don't want to say yes to and all
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: of that. So I've tried to get rid of all
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: of that. But on the other side, I'm like, I'm like,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I want to please people like sain,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I don't want to please everyone. I don't want to
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I don't want to please someone who's never going to
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: fucking like me. But at the same time, I want
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: to please my friends. I want to please our customers,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: I want to please the people who have followed me
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: for ages and have supported me and all of that,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Like that makes me happy. I don't need to just
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: turn into some like like robotic kind of well this
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: is my life, Like in my opinion, there's a bit
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: too much of that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can lead with a little bit more
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: empathy and all yeah things. And we've said this, like
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Sale and I have had these conversations because you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the more and more we are running our own business,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: we have those moments where you know, we've said to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: each other like, fuck, are we just not good at this?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Like are we just not good at.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: The cutthroat way that people do business or you know
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: when they bring in lawyers or how they just don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: take things personally or whatever. And like I know I've
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: said to Sal and I go, but but we don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: have to run our business like that. We don't like
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: running business like that. And so when someone says to us,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: like if something hurts our feelings with the way that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: someone runs something, go over here and we're working with them,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and we go, well, that hurt our feelings. We don't
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like that. And they go, well, that's just business. We go, well,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that's not our yes, no, how we've.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Said, and I think that that's a common misconception. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: also want to clarify as well, like running a business
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: and people pleasing don't need to be antithetical to each other.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I think that where some people get that wrong, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: where I've often got that wrong in the past, is
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: trying to make the right decision based on what will
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: make someone happy in the immediate future rather than the
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: long term future. So, for an example is if you
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: need to fire someone, if you look at it in
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: a people pleasing like book, you might be like, Okay,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: well I need to not fire them because that will
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: not make them happy. Realistically, in the long run, someone
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: in the wrong company that you don't think is the
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: right fit, that isn't doing a good job and is
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: constantly getting negative feedback and just is not going to progress.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: The kind option there is to be clear with them
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: so they can find the right place. It's important to
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: make sure, like I would always want to know if
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: there was something going on in their personal life that
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: meant that it shouldn't be delivered at that point, or
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: like whatever it might be. But realistically, where people pleasing
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: goes wrong is like the cutting off your nose in
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: spite of your face. It's like making the decisions that
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: will make someone happy in the immediate future and make
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: you feel better about yourself in the future, but in
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: the long run it's actually going to make them more unhappy.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: The founder of Kultgeier came on my podcast a while ago,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and she one of the things that she said that's
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: really stuck with me is just that clarity is kindness.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: And I think for a long time, the people pleasing
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: way I ran the business was trying to be as
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: nice as possible around feedback or just people's work in general,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: or any of these things. And that's not actually that kind.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: It might be nice, like, it might be polite and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: it's been nicely delivered, but it's not actually that kind,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: because the kind thing would be to say, what can
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: you do to make sure you still have this job?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: What can you do to make sure that there is
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a future for you here? What can you do to
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: make sure that you're progressing? Like I would much rather
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: have a boss that is clear with me and delivers
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: it in kindness, is clear rather than deceptively nice. If
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you're that's actually not fair. If you're saying to me
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: over and over no your work's great, and I get
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: put on performance review and you're like, wait, what exactly?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Or they can't grow.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: That's the difference. So it's like, clarity is kindness people
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: pleasing to make someone happy in the immediate future, which
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: is going to piss them off in the longer term future,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: or upset them in the longer term future, or make
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: them confused in the longer term future. That's not people pleasing.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: So the people pleasing we actually need to get rid of,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, is the perceived people pleasing. That's actually
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: it doesn't please anyone.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh my god, I'm learning so much, Like
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: this is good stuff.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Someone write this down.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask you one more question though,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: because one of the reasons that you are in Australia
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: at the moment is because you've launched Talla into the icon. Agy,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: thank fuck, congratulations and so and thank you like we
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: are honestly.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: So it's a charitable movie. Seriously, to be fair, I've
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: never seen the response in my dms like it. Like
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: we've launched in lots of different territories and I was literally.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Like, oh no, I don't think you understand a lot
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: we did, and We've spoken about Tala and given our
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: own like product wrecks and stuff on the show before,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: but we want you to share for any Aussie cheeks
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: who haven't shopped it yet, what would be the one
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: product that they need to add.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: To car is hard. I know you do tops and bottoms, okay, categories, Okay,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: so tops, what we're known for, what we're known for
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: generally is like ol flattering, Like that's what we were
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: good at. And so that means that our tops, like
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: the really flattering ones, you will never have seen yourself
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: look that good. It's true.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I have like four in like like the.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll let you finish on. I want to hear
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: you talk about your boobs and our.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Tops literally well as too, like members of the Big
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: TV committee who usually always have to wear a bra.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I think it was probably the first time I've been
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: able to wear a top without wearing a bra.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: But that's that's I think what makes you understand that
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: it's a like women owned and run company. Yes, it's
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: like you can tell that this was like any women
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: in the room being like no, I need the seam there,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and like half the people will have a big bust.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Half the people won't like all of that, So it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: like making sure there's a variety of products for both,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Like that's what's really important. I'd say the double layer
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: vest for a top is that is like, first of all,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: it's really chic because it's like I feel like not
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: everyone's into super matching sets at the moment and their contrasts.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: So you've got like the lower layers of different color
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: from the top layer, so it kind of looks like
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: you've thought about it, like you've thought about like a
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: bit of style layer. You've got your halter, you've got
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: your strappie, like all of that, and they're contrasted, which
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like theirs. So I'd say that double layer top.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Also it is called the boot job top for a reason.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: The lift the girls.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Okay they're good, God, they're next, And.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Then I say it has to be it would have
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: to be. The day Flex flares. Those are like our
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: corner stone. Like you've seen data that shows that people
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: who buy day flex flares first often come back twice
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: and buy two more day Flex flares before they even
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: move on to another product, because that's how good they are,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Like they're just so flattering, they're so comfy. They're really
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: good for every day where And I feel like Australia
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: might be more leggings than flares, Like.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I think we're flairs girlies, but I think.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I think they're more flattering on more people.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like I just think flares are fun
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: unless like they comfy.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what it is, but like when
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the grip of like a legging the whole way down,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like I feel like I can't.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm just like with the socks and like all
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: of that, I just feel like I.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Want to be My favorite is the sculpt had this
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: conversation have you tried the Ultra Scult?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: What was the first one?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: That the first one was the Skulp Yeah, I've tried
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that super company as well as Yeah, and I've got
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the long Slave, the T shirt and the single Oh
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: love was being black and brown, and I have the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like kind of like light khaki green you know that one.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are my like high rotation love that and
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: so good because now we can shop it so easily on.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: That well exactly. And they've chosen good stock. I always say,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: because wholesalers they choose their stock. It's not the other
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: way around, so like yeah, every time, know that. And
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: sometimes some brands don't let retailers buy certain ones because
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: they might be like, that's our hero style, you have
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: to come to the site for it. Some of them
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: will have the opposite thing where they'll be like, that's
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: our hero style, so we need every retailer to have it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: We for example, like we don't mandate anything. We show
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: what are like best selling collection is, which is like
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of that like continuity, like always on. You
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: can always buy that stuff from the website. It's not
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: like changing with the seasons. We might have new colors,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: but it's like always there. But I always say because
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: like since we've been on the Iconic, I've always been
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: getting so many dms this week of being like they
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: need to add this, like like can you put this
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: on the Iconic And it's like sorry, Iconic girlies, because
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: literally everyone I've been like, uh yeah, go to the Iconic.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I'm like, literally like you need to beg them, yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: not us like things. That's good feedback for them to
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: have them.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they want people buy exactly.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: That's the whole point in the relationship. And they were
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: literally like obviously because we did the Bondai Beach Walk
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: this week and literally, like I mean we it was
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty people and those tickets went in
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: two minutes and we were like what the fuck. And
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: then they were just they were like we can I
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: need to get talk a whole lot of interest.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us to say,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I could literally listen to you all day, every day
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm not.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Good because I'm now your third course.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but literally, and job, I'm just so so
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: glad we were able to have you on because you
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: have so much wisdom and so much intelligence that you
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: so willingly share to everyone. So for anyone who's not familiar,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But where can they find you? I'm in a weird mood.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm always in a mood.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: They can find me at Grace Beverley on kind of everything.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: I'm everywhere, but like, yeah, just at Grace Beverley. And
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: then I've got like the company links in my bio as.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Well the show notes as well.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Little plug, thank you, thank.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: You so much, and congratulations on just everything, and we're
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: so excited for this next chapter.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Four you as well watching them from the wings.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: You're shopping after this serious.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you so much, chicks.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: We'll catch you on Tuesday.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having us in your ear holes.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: We love to be here.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Bye bye, bast