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Mega Edition: The Enormous Increase in Budget For Police In Idaho Following The Murders (9/2/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about Ann Taylor and how much money
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Speaker 1: she's going to be making an hour to defend Brian Koberger. Well,
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Speaker 1: on this episode, I wanted to talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: about how much the state of Idaho and the Idaho
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Speaker 1: State Police have spent so far on this case. And
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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a quadruple homicide, it's certainly going
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Speaker 1: to add some cost to the budget that were unforeseen.
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Speaker 1: And a place like Idaho that's not that populated, they're
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Speaker 1: obviously working on a smaller budget than a place like
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Speaker 1: New York City or Los Angeles or something like that.
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Speaker 2: So things get a bit more restrictive, right?
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Speaker 1: And they don't have as many resources available to them
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Speaker 1: initially as some other places might have. But the Idaho
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Speaker 1: State Police and the investigators in the state in general
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Speaker 1: were able to overcome some of those shortfalls in the
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Speaker 1: beginning of this investigation. And then with the assistance of
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Speaker 1: their big brother in the FBI, they were able to
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Speaker 1: finally make an arrest in the case. But what is
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Speaker 1: the Idaho State Police budget in general? And how much
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Speaker 1: of that budget was used up conducting this investigation? So today,
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Speaker 1: that's what we're going to talk about. And to do that,
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Speaker 1: we have two articles from KTVB 7. And the first
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Speaker 1: one is from January 17th of 2023. And the author
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Speaker 1: is Andrew Bartleen. Governor Brad Little proposed increasing Idaho State
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Speaker 1: Police Commission state trooper pay by 10%. Additionally, he aims
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Speaker 1: to spend $ 200, 000.
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Speaker 2: On additional safety equipment for each trooper.
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Speaker 1: The mall shooting that occurred in Boise Mall in October
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Speaker 1: of 2021, we recognized immediately we didn't have the equipment
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Speaker 1: we needed. ISP Deputy Director, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Gardner, One
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Speaker 1: of those is ballistic tactical vests that a trooper can
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Speaker 1: throw on and run in. Now, I've been pretty clear
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Speaker 1: about how I feel about all of these military-type weapons
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Speaker 1: that police departments are acquiring, but when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: body armor, I think that's a necessity for police officers.
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Speaker 1: They have to have that body armor. I'm not a
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Speaker 1: fan of tanks. I'm not a fan of all that
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Speaker 1: other shit that you would see on actual battlefields being
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Speaker 1: in the possession of our police departments, except in the
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Speaker 1: most extreme circumstances. When you're going to enact a warrant
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Speaker 1: at somebody's house for minor drug possession, you don't need
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Speaker 1: to show up in a tank. Each trooper is already
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Speaker 1: issued body armor. It is typically worn under their uniform,
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Speaker 1: according to Gardner. However, these specific ballistic vests are tailored
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Speaker 1: towards stopping high-powered rounds. The $ 200, 000 would also purchase chest
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Speaker 1: protectors and riot gear for ISP, according to Gardner. This
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Speaker 1: gear has become increasingly necessary. amid events over the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years. You know what else would be real helpful?
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Speaker 1: Using some of this money to retrain some of these
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Speaker 1: officers and help them out in that regard as well.
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Speaker 1: It's all fine and well to give these guys weapons
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Speaker 1: of war, but how about we arm them mentally so
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Speaker 1: they're capable of dealing with the bullshit they gotta deal
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Speaker 1: with on a day-to-day basis? When we brought that to
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Speaker 1: their attention, the governor's office was quick to recognize that
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Speaker 1: this is a need. Every state trooper needs to have
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Speaker 1: that to do their job, Gardner said. But getting qualified
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Speaker 1: people to do the job is an equal need. At
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Speaker 1: any given time, ISP could be looking to hire 20
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Speaker 1: to 30 state troopers. When ISP hired Gardner on 25
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Speaker 1: years ago, the agency selected him from a pool of
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Speaker 1: more than 1,000 applicants. It just shows you how the
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Speaker 1: shine of becoming a law enforcement officer has worn off
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Hiring people is very difficult
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Speaker 1: right now. Now we're at the point where we hope
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Speaker 1: to get between 100 to 200 people, Gardner said. It's
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Speaker 1: dramatically changed from the number of people who are either
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Speaker 1: interested in law enforcement or those who feel as though
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Speaker 1: it is a career that will pay them enough to
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Speaker 1: support their family. The 10% pay increase intends to attract
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Speaker 1: new talent and retain current troopers. Governor Little's budget also
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Speaker 1: aims to provide more support to the Idaho Peace Officer
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Speaker 1: Standards and Training Division. Post-division administrator Brad Johnson announced in
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Speaker 1: October the division would cancel three academies due to inflation.
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Speaker 1: Now you see where my problem is? We're going to
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Speaker 1: cancel the academics, we're going to cancel the training as
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Speaker 1: far as interpersonal situations, but we're going to buy more
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Speaker 1: weapons of war? We're not putting these police officers in
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Speaker 1: a position to succeed. And then you wonder why nobody's
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Speaker 1: joining up and wants to deal with that bullshit. In response,
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Speaker 1: the proposed budget sets aside $ 1. 1 million to be split
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Speaker 1: between the 2023 fiscal year budget, the 2024 fiscal year budget,
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Speaker 1: and the fiscal year budget ending on June 30th. With
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Speaker 1: that additional revenue, it should be sufficient to meet our
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Speaker 1: training needs through the next 18 months, Johnson said. Training
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Speaker 1: is one of our primary missions. We take it seriously.
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Speaker 1: When we're unable to do that in the manner we should,
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Speaker 1: nobody enjoys that. Yeah, it opens the state up to
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Speaker 1: all kinds of lawsuits. It opens the citizens up to
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Speaker 1: having shitty encounters with police officers who are not trained correctly.
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Speaker 1: And then that leads to animosity in the community. Nobody
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Speaker 1: needs that in their life. But I wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about this article first before we dive into the next
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Speaker 1: one so we kind of get an idea of what
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Speaker 1: their budget's looking like. All right, so our next article
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Speaker 1: is from KTVB as well. And this one's discussing how
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Speaker 1: much the Idaho State Police have spent on the Moscow
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Speaker 1: murders investigation. Headline, here's how much Idaho State Police have
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Speaker 1: spent on the Moscow murders investigation. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Alexandra Duggan and Danny Alsop. The murders of four
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho students in November of 2022 were was
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Speaker 1: a massive investigation that required many resources from police and
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Speaker 1: other agencies to work together. And with that came a $ 282, 109. 35
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Speaker 1: of expenditures related to the homicide case by the Idaho
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Speaker 1: State Police. Now look at that number and then look
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Speaker 1: at the other numbers we were just talking about in
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Speaker 1: that other article. So this is basically a fifth of
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Speaker 1: their whole budget blown on this one investigation. And that's
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Speaker 1: not even including what the FBI and the federal government
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Speaker 1: spent as well. We're never going to get that information because,
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Speaker 1: you know, the FBI does whatever they want and checks
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Speaker 1: and balances are for other people, not them. But the FBI,
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Speaker 1: meaning you and me, spent a ton of money on
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Speaker 1: this case as well. There was a bunch of federal
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Speaker 1: dollars that were being used by the federal departments. But
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Speaker 1: the state of Idaho, their nut ended up being like
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Speaker 1: one-fifth of their law enforcement budget for the whole year.
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Speaker 1: When Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Carnotal
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Speaker 1: were stabbed to death in a home off-campus on November 13, 2022,
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Speaker 1: Moscow police, Idaho State Police, and the FBI began the
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Speaker 1: long process of investigating their deaths. It led to the
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Speaker 1: arrest of 28-year-old Brian Kohlberger, a Washington State University Ph.D.
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Speaker 1: student based on DNA found at the scene. The expenditures
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Speaker 1: of $ 282, 109. 35 obtained through a public records request is the
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Speaker 1: exact amount of funds used as of February 6th, which
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Speaker 1: includes travel, overtime, lab testing, storage of evidence, and other
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Speaker 1: miscellaneous police work, according to ISP Communications Director Aaron Snell.
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Speaker 1: ISP dedicated significant resources to help the Moscow police, a
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Speaker 1: smaller-scale police department. Snell said the investigation of the four
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Speaker 1: murders qualifies as a large investigation and that cases and
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Speaker 1: costs at this magnitude are uncommon occurrences in comparison to
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Speaker 1: other investigations. But he doesn't think there is a set
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Speaker 1: parameter to accurately quantify them. Idaho Governor Brad Little allocated
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Speaker 1: $ 1 million from the state emergency fund in order to
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Speaker 1: help law enforcement. When Little announced the funding, he said
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Speaker 1: the expenses would be determined by ISP with the help
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Speaker 1: of other police agencies. Snell said ISP currently is paying
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Speaker 1: for expenses related to the case from a miscellaneous revenue
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Speaker 1: until a reimbursement is received from Little's office. So the
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Speaker 1: good news for Idaho is they're going to get that
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Speaker 1: money replenished from that emergency fund because you look at
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Speaker 1: the clip that it would have taken out of the
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Speaker 1: budget and that would have been all bad for Idaho
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Speaker 1: and them policing the state. We're talking about losing a
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Speaker 1: fifth of your budget in the middle of inflation. So
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Speaker 1: that's never a good thing, right? So thankfully, they were
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Speaker 1: able to get some of this dough from this emergency fund,
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Speaker 1: and that'll go a long way to replenish what they
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Speaker 1: have lost. ISP has not used all of Little's allocated funds,
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Speaker 1: Snell said, but there will be additional costs as the
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Speaker 1: investigation continues. Moscow Police Department denied a records request inquiring
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Speaker 1: about their expenditures related to the case. According to Moscow's
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Speaker 1: city attorney, information regarding how much the NPD has spent
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Speaker 1: is in violation of the non-dissemination order in the case
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Speaker 1: against Koberger. This is what I talked about yesterday and
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Speaker 1: the problem with the gag order being of this scope.
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Speaker 1: It's going to give cover to people like the Moscow
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Speaker 1: Police Department who just... don't want to be truthful. And
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Speaker 1: there's no reason that a gag order should restrict the
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Speaker 1: public and the media from knowing how much money has
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Speaker 1: been spent on this. Remember, these are taxpayer dollars. The
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Speaker 1: people of Idaho, they pay their taxes every year and
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Speaker 1: they expect some transparency on the back end of that.
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Speaker 1: And they want to know how their money is being spent, right?
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a bad move and a bad
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Speaker 1: look from the Moscow Police Department to deny this records request.
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Speaker 1: On the flip side, I think it's a good move
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Speaker 1: from the state police. The more transparency, the better. And
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Speaker 1: if the state police can provide this without it being
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Speaker 1: under the gag order, how is it that the Moscow
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Speaker 1: Police Department are going to try and stand on that
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Speaker 1: untenable ground? So I don't think that's the last we've
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Speaker 1: heard of that, honestly. And I wouldn't be shocked to
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Speaker 1: see the media try and get those records by other means.
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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing they're going to be firing off a
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Speaker 1: lot of other requests for public records as we move forward.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how that
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Speaker 1: all goes. And it's going to be real interesting to
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Speaker 1: see if the vastness and the broad scope of the
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Speaker 1: gag order protects the Moscow Police Department from releasing this information.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, well, that's going to do it for
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Speaker 1: this one. All of the information that goes with this
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Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. The murders in Moscow
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Speaker 1: have changed a whole lot for the community at large,
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Speaker 1: and the investigation into those murders has proved to be
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Speaker 1: rather burdensome when it comes to the finances. So the
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Speaker 1: prosecution in Idaho has requested a pretty big budget hike
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Speaker 1: so that they can maintain their investigation and keep things rolling.
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Speaker 1: And any time that you're prosecuting a homicide case, it
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Speaker 1: is cost-restrictive, never mind a quadruple homicide in a place
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Speaker 1: that was homicide-free for seven years leading up to these murders.
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Speaker 1: So there's certainly not the budget sitting around to go
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Speaker 1: after somebody like Brian Kohlberger as far as an advanced
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Speaker 1: investigation that is as sophisticated as this one has been. So...
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Speaker 1: Let's get to this article from ABC News and let's
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Speaker 1: see just how cost-restrictive all of this has been. Headline,
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Speaker 1: Idaho College Murders Case Prompts Prosecution Request for Big Budget Hike.
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Speaker 1: The authors of this article are Sasha Pezenik, Julie Scott,
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Speaker 1: and Nicholas Cerrone.
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Speaker 2: Justice may be blind, but it's not cheap.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say that twice when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: from the perspective of the person who's being charged with
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Speaker 1: the crime. never mind the cost for the state or
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Speaker 1: the prosecution, if you get charged with a crime and
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Speaker 1: you're going to pay for your own lawyer, you're going
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Speaker 1: to be looking at quite the hefty sum coming out
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Speaker 1: of pocket to defend your freedom. The legal system is
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Speaker 1: absolutely burdensome when it comes to finances. And unless you're
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Speaker 1: in a position where you have money to blow, having
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Speaker 1: to deal with litigation is never a fun time for
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Speaker 1: your bank account. Prosecutors in Moscow, Idaho this week said
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Speaker 1: the upcoming prosecution of Brian Kohlberger, the man charged with
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Speaker 1: killing four college students last fall, could cost more than
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Speaker 1: eight times their entire annual trial budget. Well, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: cost much to bring people in for a drunken disorderly.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't cost much to bring people in because they
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Speaker 1: have a bag of pot. And that's the kind of
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Speaker 1: thing you were seeing on this campus. It wasn't like
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Speaker 1: this is a violent campus where they're used to all
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Speaker 1: kinds of violent assault or murder or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: Besides the bar brawl or something, they weren't dealing with
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Speaker 1: any kind of real drama up in Moscow as far
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Speaker 1: as the police were concerned. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: four college students are killed overnight in the same house.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure a tragedy like that wasn't forecast when the
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Speaker 1: budget was being laid out. So now they have to
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Speaker 1: go back to the state and try and get a
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Speaker 1: little bit more money. Meeting with county commissioners Tuesday, Latah
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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor Bill Thompson requested a $ 135, 000 budget as his
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Speaker 1: team puts together what is expected to be a complicated
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Speaker 1: and high-profile case. Thompson said they know the trial is
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Speaker 1: not going to be cheap. According to the minutes from
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Speaker 1: the meeting obtained by ABC News, acknowledging the request, is
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Speaker 1: a significant departure from the $ 15, 000 budget they had maintained
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Speaker 1: for years and years. And remember everything that goes into
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Speaker 1: something like this. You have to pay for all of
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Speaker 1: the experts. You have to pay for the private investigators.
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Speaker 1: You have to pay the salary of the cops that
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Speaker 1: are working, the prosecutors. There's a lot that goes on here,
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Speaker 1: and none of it's free. Everybody has to be paid
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Speaker 1: for their work. So that money has to come from somewhere.
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Speaker 1: And that somewhere is the budget of the city of
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Speaker 1: Moscow and Latak County. Thompson said his office is trying
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Speaker 1: to keep its projected budget as conservative as possible, while
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Speaker 1: at the same time making sure that the case is
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Speaker 1: handled properly. Now imagine Brian Koberger was somebody who was
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Speaker 1: well off and could bring in a dream team where
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Speaker 1: he was paying his lawyers, you know, two grand an
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Speaker 1: hour or something like that. And this is the budget
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Speaker 1: that he'd be working against. a mere 135 grand, and
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Speaker 1: you wonder why rich people are able to get off.
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Speaker 1: Some of these rich people show up and they have
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Speaker 1: a bigger war chest to litigate the accusations against them
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Speaker 1: than the county that's prosecuting them. And we all know
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Speaker 1: that the bigger the war chest, the better the chance
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Speaker 1: of beating the charges. Thankfully here, that's not the case.
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Speaker 1: But I do find it a little concerning that they're
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Speaker 1: talking about maintaining budgetary constraints How about just investigating this
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Speaker 1: and then wherever that lands, that's how much money the
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Speaker 1: state has to come up with. Because you can't really
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Speaker 1: skimp when you're talking about a quadruple homicide investigation, right?
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Speaker 1: Where are you going to cut corners? How are you
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Speaker 1: going to be more conservative while at the same time
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Speaker 1: maintaining the integrity of the investigation? Among the anticipated expenses,
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Speaker 1: Thompson's budget request sites, witness travel fees, transcript fees, exhibit
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Speaker 1: display expenses and postage fees, as well as travel associated
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Speaker 1: with case development, expert witnesses and other associated trial expenses,
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Speaker 1: according to the budget request. And there's going to be more,
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Speaker 1: of course. So he has to have a war chest
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Speaker 1: and hopefully Latah County and the commissioners are going to
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Speaker 1: provide the prosecutor with everything that he needs to get
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Speaker 1: the conviction that they're going after. Thompson said his office
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Speaker 1: is also proposing to add a part-time legal assistant position
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Speaker 1: to the payroll in order to help shoulder the workload,
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Speaker 1: according to the meeting minutes.
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Speaker 2: I could see that.
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Speaker 1: Bring in somebody to help with the paperwork, filing, get
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Speaker 1: things in order, make sure everything's presented properly to the
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Speaker 1: lawyers so they don't have to waste their time, you know,
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Speaker 1: putting together files and all of that. So if you
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Speaker 1: need some help, then yeah, bring it in. One of
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Speaker 1: the commissioners on the board, Kathy LaFortune, suggested an even
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Speaker 1: larger allowance for Thompson's budget, according to meeting minutes, suggesting
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Speaker 1: an increase to $ 150, 000 in order to fully cover potential costs.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Give them some wiggle room.
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Speaker 1: That way they can bring in experts and whatever they
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Speaker 1: need to do to make sure that justice is served here. Separately,
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Speaker 1: the defense has been augmenting its resources as well. Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: lead counsel, the chief public defender in neighboring Kootenai County,
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Speaker 1: Ann Taylor, is receiving $ 200 an hour, an amount agreed
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Speaker 1: to by Latah County upon her hiring. Taylor's co-counsel is
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Speaker 1: receiving $ 180 an hour. Additional further expenses to the case
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Speaker 1: include hiring a private investigator and expert services to aid
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Speaker 1: their case. And remember, the state's on the line for
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Speaker 1: all of that, too. because Brian Koberger was considered indigent,
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Speaker 1: meaning he can't pay for his own legal team. So
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Speaker 1: the state has to pay for both ends of this. Koberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: was indicted last month and charged with four counts of
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Speaker 1: first-degree murder and one count of burglary. At his arraignment
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Speaker 1: in late May, Koberger declined to offer a plea, so
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Speaker 1: the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf.
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Speaker 1: A trial date has been set for October 2nd, and
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Speaker 1: Koberger is currently being held... in the Latah County Jail
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Speaker 1: in Moscow. And I've said several times now, I really
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Speaker 1: don't expect this trial to start in October.
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Speaker 2: I would be absolutely shocked if this goes off as scheduled.
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Speaker 1: Considering what we have with Discovery and all of the
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Speaker 1: information that has to be poured through still, you would
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Speaker 1: think that the defense is certainly angling here to get
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Speaker 1: a postponement and to get this trial moved back probably.
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Speaker 2: To the summer of 2024. That's my.
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Speaker 1: Guess my speculation here. Prosecutors allege that in the early
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Speaker 1: morning hours of November 13th, 2022, Kohlberger, a criminology PhD
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Speaker 1: student at Washington State University, broke into an off-campus home
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Speaker 1: and stabbed to death four University of Idaho students, Ethan Chapin,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Kaylee Gonsalves. After a more
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Speaker 1: than six-week hunt, police zeroed in on Kohlberger as a
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Speaker 1: suspect Tracking his white Hyundai Elantra, cell phone signal data,
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Speaker 1: and recovering what authorities say was his DNA on a
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Speaker 1: knife sheath found next to one of the victim's bodies,
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Speaker 1: according to court documents. He was arrested on December 30, 2022. 2022,
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, after driving cross-country to spend the holidays at
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Speaker 1: his family's home in Albrightville. And there were reports that
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Speaker 1: his own sister thought that he might be the guy
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Speaker 1: who did this, and that his sister and other family
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Speaker 1: members even went out to the white Hyundai Elantra and
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Speaker 1: tossed the car themselves. And for my money, you have
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Speaker 1: to be a relatively odd duck for your family members,
20:13
Speaker 1: your sister especially, to think that you're capable of doing
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Speaker 1: something like this. So all the people out there that
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Speaker 1: are defending Brian Koberger, acting like this guy's not guilty,
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Speaker 1: you're going to look real silly soon. And when I
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Speaker 1: say soon, I mean after this trial ends. just like
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Speaker 1: all of the knuckleheads out there that were running around
20:31
Speaker 1: talking about Alec Murdaugh, was innocent. The problem is, there's
20:35
Speaker 1: never any repercussions for these knuckleheads who run around talking nonsense,
20:39
Speaker 1: because people still eat it up. People love the salacious bullshit.
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Speaker 1: People love a nice story that massages their confirmation bias. Me?
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Speaker 2: I prefer the truth.
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Speaker 1: The quadruple homicide in November rocked Moscow, Idaho, the college
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Speaker 1: town where the killings occurred. The ensuing investigation and impending
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Speaker 1: trial strained the city's already slim budget. Police overtime and
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Speaker 1: other expenses mounted exponentially with the ongoing need for increased
21:08
Speaker 1: patrols and law enforcement work and shouldered by a short-staffed
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Speaker 1: force putting in long hours. The bottom line, officials said,
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Speaker 1: the ongoing cost of the case has burned through cash
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Speaker 1: that could have gone to benefit the community and fix
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Speaker 1: up the city's infrastructure. and I'm sure a few pet
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Speaker 1: projects for the city councilors as well. Moscow is not
21:31
Speaker 1: awash in a funding excess, Moscow Mayor Art Betke told
21:35
Speaker 1: ABC News in May. We run a very, very lean budget,
21:39
Speaker 1: and the impact of an investigation has been felt on
21:42
Speaker 1: that budget. Even with the suspect in custody, the ongoing
21:46
Speaker 1: investigation had depleted Moscow's coffers and scrambled an already fragile
21:52
Speaker 1: balance sheet, city officials said. You budget for fires, you
21:56
Speaker 1: budget for floods, you prepare for natural disasters. This was
22:01
Speaker 1: not natural. Moscow City Council member Sandra Kelly told ABC News,
22:06
Speaker 1: The cost is astronomical. And, of course, you can't skimp
22:10
Speaker 1: on keeping people safe. Yet, this is just not something
22:13
Speaker 1: you budget for, because it's something you'd never dream could happen.
22:18
Speaker 1: And especially in a place like Moscow. When you have
22:21
Speaker 1: a place that hasn't even recorded a homicide in seven years,
22:26
Speaker 1: the last thing you expect is something like this to happen.
22:29
Speaker 1: So the city council and the budget planners, for once
22:33
Speaker 1: in their lives at least, they didn't screw this up.
22:35
Speaker 1: They just weren't ready for it because it's one of
22:38
Speaker 1: those unthinkable, unimaginable events that you can never even dream
22:43
Speaker 1: of happening. But now that it did happen, They have
22:46
Speaker 1: to come up with the money to make sure that
22:48
Speaker 1: the person that they say is responsible, Brian Koberger, faces justice.
22:54
Speaker 1: And that's what the city council says they're going to do.
22:56
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, that's going to do it for this one.
23:00
Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
23:02
Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
23:07
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're going
23:11
Speaker 1: to take a trip back to Moscow and we're going
23:13
Speaker 1: to get an update on what's going on with Brian
23:16
Speaker 1: Koberger and how much his alleged crimes have cost Idaho
23:21
Speaker 1: University when it comes to security. But before we jump
23:25
Speaker 1: into this article, we have a little housekeeping to do.
23:28
Speaker 1: And that housekeeping has to do with Brian Koberger and
23:32
Speaker 1: his court appearance that's scheduled for tomorrow. So let's just
23:36
Speaker 1: read this quick court order by Judge Judge before we
23:39
Speaker 1: dive into our article. Case number CR 29-22-2805. Order regarding
23:47
Speaker 1: notice of hearing Zoom information. State of Idaho plaintiff, 1st
23:52
Speaker 1: Brian C. Koberger, the defendant. The court is mindful that
23:56
Speaker 1: limited courtroom capacity and potential travel restrictions may may interfere
24:01
Speaker 1: with the victim's and the defendant's family's ability to observe
24:04
Speaker 1: the court proceedings in this case on August 18, 2023,
24:08
Speaker 1: at 10.30 a.m.
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Speaker 2: Pacific Time.
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Speaker 1: Therefore, in the eventuality that they are unable or prefer
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Speaker 1: not to attend the proceeding in person, the court finds
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Speaker 1: it necessary to make the court proceedings available via Zoom
24:22
Speaker 1: for the victims and the defendant's immediate family members under
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Speaker 1: the following restrictions. It is hereby ordered that 1. The
24:30
Speaker 1: victims and the defendant's immediate family members may observe the
24:33
Speaker 1: court proceedings in person or via Zoom. 2. The Zoom
24:38
Speaker 1: information above shall not be disseminated to anyone other than
24:42
Speaker 1: the victims and the defendant's immediate family members. 3. Any
24:48
Speaker 1: recording or live streaming of the proceeding is prohibited. This
24:52
Speaker 1: was signed on the 14th of August and it was
24:55
Speaker 1: signed by Judge Judge. And the reason for this hearing
24:59
Speaker 1: is the defendant's third motion to compel and the defendant's
25:03
Speaker 1: second motion to stay proceedings. So that's what's going to
25:07
Speaker 1: be discussed at the hearing tomorrow. And it's going to
25:10
Speaker 1: be very crucial for Brian Kohlberger and his team. There's
25:14
Speaker 1: a lot on the line for his team tomorrow. And
25:16
Speaker 1: I think that the judge is obviously going to deny
25:19
Speaker 1: their request for a stay. Now, if they ask for
25:23
Speaker 1: a continuation or a delay in the trial... not a stay,
25:27
Speaker 1: but an actual delay, I think they'll get that. But
25:30
Speaker 1: the stay here, I don't think that they have the
25:32
Speaker 1: legal precedent or the basis under Idaho statutes. So I
25:38
Speaker 1: don't see Judge Judge acquiescing and giving them that stay
25:42
Speaker 1: that they want. because it's rather transparent that what they're
25:45
Speaker 1: doing is trying to buy for some time. So just
25:48
Speaker 1: delay the trial and be done with it already. And
25:50
Speaker 1: I think that's what we'll see eventually happen here, a
25:53
Speaker 1: delay in this trial, because there's just a massive amount
25:56
Speaker 1: of evidence. All right, so let's dive into this article
25:59
Speaker 1: from ABC News, and let's see how many fazools it
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Speaker 1: cost the University of Idaho for security. Headline, cost of
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Speaker 1: security prompted by Idaho college killings, tops $ 1. 2 million dollars,
26:13
Speaker 1: for the university. That's a whole hell of a lot
26:15
Speaker 1: of money, isn't it? And you know they're already charging
26:18
Speaker 1: an arm and a leg for kids to go to
26:20
Speaker 1: school up here. So what are they going to do?
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Speaker 1: Increase the cost of tuition? I mean, eventually that's what
26:26
Speaker 1: we're going to see. This article was authored by Sasha Pezenik.
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Speaker 1: The financial cost of the community continued to climb in
26:36
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the killing of four Idaho college students
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Speaker 1: last fall. Nine months after the King Road quadruple homicide,
26:44
Speaker 1: Rock North Idaho, the University of Idaho, has already blown
26:48
Speaker 1: through the $ 1 million in state funding allocated to support
26:53
Speaker 1: additional security measures, according to records provided to Idaho's Legislative
26:58
Speaker 1: Services Office by the university. And you would think a
27:02
Speaker 1: million dollars goes a long way, but really, does it?
27:05
Speaker 1: Think about how expensive everything is at the store. I
27:08
Speaker 1: walked into the store last night, I grabbed some Luigi's
27:12
Speaker 1: Italian Ices, a Gatorade Fast Twitch drink, one of those
27:17
Speaker 1: energy drinks they have, an 8-pack of Gatorade, and two
27:22
Speaker 1: cases of water. It came out to like $ 35. So
27:26
Speaker 1: if basic groceries are costing that much money, and your
27:29
Speaker 1: money's not stretching that far when it comes to basic necessities,
27:33
Speaker 1: how far do you think it's going to stretch when
27:35
Speaker 1: we're talking about security services? Especially with inflation. Everybody has
27:41
Speaker 1: ramped up their prices for every single service. And if
27:44
Speaker 1: you think those prices are coming down, I have some
27:47
Speaker 1: real bad news for you. In a letter sent to
27:50
Speaker 1: the office manager of budget and policy analysis, university president
27:54
Speaker 1: Scott Green said, the school made significant efforts to bolster
27:58
Speaker 1: our security programs and the custodianship of the location where
28:03
Speaker 1: these tragedies occurred. Now, that's all fine and well, but
28:06
Speaker 1: it's very reactionary. and I highly doubt that we're ever
28:09
Speaker 1: going to see something like this in Idaho ever again.
28:13
Speaker 2: Well, not in Moscow.
28:15
Speaker 1: This is something that is very unexpected, an aberration when
28:19
Speaker 1: it comes to crimes, and certainly something that I highly
28:23
Speaker 1: doubt we're going to witness in a place like Moscow.
28:26
Speaker 1: at least in any of our lifetimes, ever again. So
28:29
Speaker 1: while I understand the knee-jerk reaction, you want to keep
28:32
Speaker 1: the community safe, you want to make sure enrollment in
28:35
Speaker 1: the school doesn't drop, but the sad truth is, even
28:39
Speaker 1: if they had 100 Navy SEALs patrolling the campus doing security,
28:43
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have stopped what happened in that house on
28:47
Speaker 1: 1122 King Road in the early morning hours of November 13th.
28:51
Speaker 1: University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodal,
28:55
Speaker 1: and Kaylee Gonsalves were found stabbed to death on November 13, 2022.
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Speaker 1: After a six-week hunt, police zeroed in on a suspect,
29:05
Speaker 1: arresting one-time doctoral candidate Brian Koberger on December 30. If convicted,
29:11
Speaker 1: Koberger could face the death penalty. And they've also talked
29:14
Speaker 1: about not only the death penalty, but firing squad. And
29:18
Speaker 1: I say that's the way he should go. Because if
29:20
Speaker 1: he's guilty of the crimes that he's accused of, they
29:23
Speaker 1: are some of the most heinous crimes that we've seen
29:26
Speaker 1: in quite some time. Somebody going into someone's home and
29:30
Speaker 1: murdering four people in an intimate and up-close way like this?
29:34
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you deserve the death penalty. And all things considered,
29:39
Speaker 1: both options... the firing squad and the lethal injection, are
29:43
Speaker 1: both too good for somebody like Brian Koberger if he
29:46
Speaker 1: is guilty of these crimes. I'm talking about helicopters and volcanoes.
29:52
Speaker 1: The university is already racking up additional expenses and totaling
29:56
Speaker 1: more than $ 1. 2 million so far and counting. The expenditures
30:02
Speaker 1: related to the King Road house are ongoing, Green said
30:05
Speaker 1: in the letter. The August 11th letter includes an itemized
30:09
Speaker 1: accounting of how the cash was spent required by Idaho law.
30:14
Speaker 1: Nearly $ 475, 000 was spent to increase campus security and private guards.
30:16
Speaker 1: More than $ 324, 000 went to security consultants. More than $ 241, 000
30:27
Speaker 1: was spent on the Idaho State Police, including meals and
30:31
Speaker 1: lodging for troopers. Does that seem excessive to anybody else? $ 324, 000
30:37
Speaker 1: to security consultants? What are they consulting about? Like, what
30:42
Speaker 1: could you possibly do that would have made this campus
30:45
Speaker 1: any safer? I don't think any security protocol or any
30:49
Speaker 1: security measures would have stopped Brian Kohlberger from doing what
30:53
Speaker 1: he is alleged to have done. And as I said previously,
30:56
Speaker 1: I find this to be a bit reactionary and just
30:59
Speaker 1: looking for a way to justify spending this money. Prosecutors
31:03
Speaker 1: allege that in the early morning hours of November 13th, 2022, Kohlberger,
31:09
Speaker 1: a criminology PhD student at nearby Washington State University, broke
31:14
Speaker 1: into the off-campus home, and stabbed the four students to death.
31:18
Speaker 1: Kohlberger was indicted in May and charged with four counts
31:22
Speaker 1: of first-degree murder and one count of burglary. At his arraignment,
31:26
Speaker 1: he declined to offer a plea, so the judge entered
31:29
Speaker 1: a not guilty plea on his behalf. A trial is
31:33
Speaker 1: scheduled for October 2nd, though a delay is likely. pretrial
31:38
Speaker 1: motions are set to continue on Friday. And that's what
31:41
Speaker 1: we talked about in the beginning here. He has a
31:44
Speaker 1: hearing tomorrow, and it's going to be a pretty important
31:46
Speaker 1: hearing for both sides. And I'm very interested to see
31:49
Speaker 1: which way Judge Judge is leaning. The university has and
31:54
Speaker 1: continues to put its students first. The expenses we have
31:58
Speaker 1: incurred are in effort to provide for our students the
32:02
Speaker 1: best residential campus experience possible, University of Idaho spokesperson Jody
32:07
Speaker 1: Walker said in a statement to ABC News. While we
32:10
Speaker 1: can't bring back the students we lost so tragically, we
32:14
Speaker 1: can continue to improve ourselves and our university for our
32:18
Speaker 1: current students and all those to follow, Walker said. We
32:22
Speaker 1: appreciate the support we have gotten from the governor and
32:25
Speaker 1: our legislature to help cover some of these problems. unexpected expenses.
32:30
Speaker 1: Nearly $ 100, 000 has been spent on security for the home
32:34
Speaker 1: where the students were slain. The home, donated to the
32:38
Speaker 1: school after the killings, remains standing for now, though the
32:42
Speaker 1: university has announced that it intends to demolish it. We
32:47
Speaker 1: expect further expenditures in the future as we demolish the
32:51
Speaker 1: King Road property, Green said, with the letter accounting for
32:54
Speaker 1: more than $ 217, 000 in They estimate spending through the end
33:00
Speaker 1: of October. The mounting price tag has not been shouldered
33:04
Speaker 1: solely by the university. In June, prosecutors leading the case
33:08
Speaker 1: against Kohlberger said it cost them more than eight times
33:12
Speaker 1: their annual trial budget, requesting $ 135, 000 for the case.
33:18
Speaker 2: Look, this is an extreme circumstance. And this is an
33:21
Speaker 2: extreme case.
33:23
Speaker 1: And it's going to cost a lot of money for
33:25
Speaker 1: all of the experts, all of the testing, and all
33:28
Speaker 1: that comes along with a quadruple homicide trial. So it's
33:33
Speaker 1: going to cost the state of Idaho a few bucks here.
33:35
Speaker 1: And remember, they're also on the hook for paying for
33:37
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's team as well. In Moscow, where the killings occurred,
33:43
Speaker 1: investigative costs burned through cash that could have gone to
33:46
Speaker 1: fix up city infrastructure, Moscow officials told ABC News in May.
33:52
Speaker 1: This is just not something you budget for, Moscow City
33:55
Speaker 1: Council member Sandra Kelly said, because it's something you'd never
33:59
Speaker 1: dream could happen. So as much as I'd like to
34:02
Speaker 1: pin it on the local authorities here, you know, the
34:05
Speaker 1: local politicians, she's not wrong. Nobody budgets for something like this,
34:10
Speaker 1: and we're talking about a pretty small place in Moscow.
34:13
Speaker 1: So there was never any doubt that there was going
34:15
Speaker 1: to be some budget issues, and thankfully for them, the
34:18
Speaker 1: state itself, the governor, has stepped up to help out.
34:22
Speaker 1: The question is, how much more does it cost from here?
34:25
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, that's going to do it for this one.
34:29
Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
34:31
Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
34:36
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Earlier, we were talking about
34:42
Speaker 1: the salary that Ann Taylor, the public defender for Brian Koberger,
34:47
Speaker 1: was going to make. Well, today we're getting some more
34:50
Speaker 1: details and some more context about that salary and how
34:54
Speaker 1: much it's all going to end up being when all
34:56
Speaker 1: is said and done. And I thought it would be
34:58
Speaker 1: interesting considering we just got done talking about the budget
35:02
Speaker 1: for the entire Idaho State Police Department and for the investigation.
35:08
Speaker 1: into who murdered these four students. So with that said,
35:12
Speaker 1: let's dive into this article from the Daily Mail, and
35:15
Speaker 1: let's get a little more context about the salary that
35:19
Speaker 1: Ann Taylor, the public defender, is going to be making. Headline,
35:25
Speaker 1: Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger's lawyer will triple her income
35:30
Speaker 1: with $ 200 an hour agreement to defend them. On the
35:34
Speaker 1: taxpayer's dime, despite multiple conflicts of interest, With students, families.
35:40
Speaker 1: And we didn't even touch on that on the other
35:43
Speaker 1: episode talking about the conflict of interest or the possible
35:47
Speaker 1: conflict of interest. And I think that looms large as well.
35:52
Speaker 1: Is there not going to be any sort of addressing
35:56
Speaker 1: of the possible conflict of interest by the court? Or
36:00
Speaker 1: has it been addressed in private and is just being
36:02
Speaker 1: kept under wraps due to the gag order? Either way,
36:06
Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed and some clarity needs to
36:09
Speaker 1: be given. This article was authored by Emma Jones. A
36:16
Speaker 1: lawyer defending suspected quadruple killer Brian Koberger will be paid
36:21
Speaker 1: $ 200 an hour in his case with any additional overtime.
36:25
Speaker 1: Chief Public Defender Ann Taylor said, will be paid by
36:28
Speaker 1: Kootenai County for a 40-hour work week with Latah County
36:32
Speaker 1: agreeing to give the funds to Kootenai for her work.
36:36
Speaker 1: But any overtime that she accrues outside of those hours
36:40
Speaker 1: will be paid by Latah County directly to the attorney
36:44
Speaker 1: with a second attorney supporting Taylor in the case being
36:48
Speaker 1: paid $ 180 an hour. And when we talked about this yesterday,
36:54
Speaker 1: I didn't have the information that I have today as
36:56
Speaker 1: far as what the budget was for the whole ass
36:59
Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Department.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about like $ 2 million.
37:03
Speaker 1: And when all said and done here, Ann Taylor is
37:06
Speaker 1: looking at making about $ 416, 000. That seems a bit much
37:12
Speaker 1: if you're asking me. And I wonder, does every single
37:16
Speaker 1: person who is charged with murder, that is a capital offense,
37:20
Speaker 1: do they get the same kind of hookup? Are they
37:22
Speaker 1: going to have the same kind of lawyer? And are
37:25
Speaker 1: the citizens going to be on the hook for that
37:28
Speaker 1: kind of dough. Because that would seem like the kind
37:31
Speaker 1: of money you'd be paying to a private attorney, right?
37:36
Speaker 1: Taylor is representing the 28-year-old criminal justice major after stepping
37:40
Speaker 1: down as the lawyer for Kara Northington, the mother of
37:43
Speaker 1: murdered Zanna Kernodle. Well, I'll tell you what, if you're
37:47
Speaker 1: going to make this kind of dough representing Brian Kohlberger,
37:50
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you step down? I mean, if you're looking
37:53
Speaker 1: at it from that perspective of trying to secure that bag,
37:57
Speaker 1: and not being morally correct, well, this is the pathway
38:00
Speaker 1: you're going to go. And then, of course, what they'll
38:03
Speaker 1: say is she's the only attorney in northern Idaho that
38:07
Speaker 1: works for the public defender's office that can handle a
38:10
Speaker 1: capital punishment kind of case. My counter to that would
38:14
Speaker 1: be why not bring in a different attorney from somewhere
38:18
Speaker 1: else in the state? If you're going to be paying
38:20
Speaker 1: this kind of dough, I mean, you might as well
38:22
Speaker 1: go all the way and bring a different attorney in
38:25
Speaker 1: from the south She was in charge of her case
38:28
Speaker 1: until January 5th, the same day that Kohlberger was extradited
38:33
Speaker 1: from his home in Pennsylvania to Idaho. The lawyer is
38:37
Speaker 1: also accused of a second conflict of interest in the
38:39
Speaker 1: case after it was revealed that she represented Maddie Mogan's stepmother,
38:44
Speaker 1: Corey Hatrock, in June 2022 and oversaw a case involving
38:49
Speaker 1: her father, Benjamin, in 2020.
38:52
Speaker 2: Kohlberger is accused.
38:53
Speaker 1: Of murdering Mogan and Kernodle on November 13th along with
38:58
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves and Ethan Chapin. Experts previously told DailyMail.com that
39:05
Speaker 1: they would be surprised if there was no one else
39:08
Speaker 1: that could represent Kohlberger in the case, despite the small
39:11
Speaker 1: pool of lawyers in Idaho.
39:13
Speaker 2: And that's what I said.
39:14
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert, but there's a lot of
39:17
Speaker 1: lawyers in Idaho, relatively speaking, and I'm sure you can
39:20
Speaker 1: bring one up from the South. The law is not
39:23
Speaker 1: different in South Idaho than Northern Idaho, is it? They're
39:28
Speaker 1: all guided by the same rules. so why not just
39:31
Speaker 1: bring one of those lawyers up or someone in from, like, Boise,
39:34
Speaker 1: where they have extra lawyers? In 2021, Taylor earned $ 118, 866,
39:37
Speaker 1: but based on her $ 200 an hour pay to represent Kohlberger,
39:47
Speaker 1: she would get $ 416, 000 a year.
39:51
Speaker 2: So that's quite the raise, huh?
39:54
Speaker 1: And again, this is information that we didn't have yesterday
39:57
Speaker 1: when we were talking about this topic. So whenever I
40:00
Speaker 1: can fill in some context or put some meat on
40:02
Speaker 1: the bone, I love to do that. That way we're armed, right?
40:05
Speaker 1: And we're not only getting half of the information. Presentation
40:09
Speaker 1: of evidence in the case has been predicted to last
40:13
Speaker 1: five days in June with an average of eight hours
40:16
Speaker 1: in court meaning that Taylor and her team could earn
40:19
Speaker 1: more than $ 3, 000 a day. In total, they would get $ 15, 200
40:25
Speaker 1: per week without overtime, as well as being reimbursed for mileage, lodging,
40:30
Speaker 1: and meal costs. And remember, this money isn't just materializing
40:34
Speaker 1: out of the sky. These are taxpayer dollars. And the
40:39
Speaker 1: commissioners and everybody else who's in charge of the budget,
40:42
Speaker 1: they're going to have to go in and reevaluate now
40:45
Speaker 1: and figure it all out. Any investigators working on her
40:50
Speaker 1: behalf will be compensated at a rate of $ 45 an hour,
40:55
Speaker 1: according to the agreement, which was approved on Tuesday. According
40:59
Speaker 1: to the American Bar Association, the average hourly pay for
41:04
Speaker 1: capital punishment attorneys in 2007 was $ 100, which equates to
41:06
Speaker 1: around $ 141 in 2023 with inflation, meaning Taylor is being
41:09
Speaker 1: paid above average.
41:18
Speaker 2: For the case.
41:19
Speaker 1: And for me, I think that one of the most
41:21
Speaker 1: important things here to ask is, does everybody else get
41:25
Speaker 1: the same treatment that Brian Koberger is getting if they're
41:28
Speaker 1: charged with murder as well? And if so, where's this
41:31
Speaker 1: budget going to come from in Idaho to continuously be
41:35
Speaker 1: doing this sort of thing at this crazy price? Because
41:40
Speaker 1: I don't know how they'd be able to maintain doing
41:42
Speaker 1: this kind of defense from the public defender's office. I've
41:47
Speaker 1: never heard of anything like it, to be honest with you.
41:51
Speaker 1: Taylor is just one of 13 public defenders in Idaho
41:54
Speaker 1: approved by the state's public defense commission to lead a
41:58
Speaker 1: capital punishment case and the only one in all of
42:02
Speaker 1: North Idaho. That's something that they should change. You got
42:05
Speaker 1: to have more than one person who could do the job.
42:08
Speaker 1: What if something was wrong with Ann Taylor? What if
42:10
Speaker 1: she was sick or what if she got in a
42:12
Speaker 1: car accident or insert tragedy here? Latah County does not
42:18
Speaker 1: have a public defender who is qualified to represent suspects
42:22
Speaker 1: in capital cases, but they wanted to ensure they had
42:26
Speaker 1: a team of attorneys who can represent in death penalty cases.
42:30
Speaker 1: It could indicate that the prosecutors are leaning towards pursuing
42:34
Speaker 1: the death penalty with the payment for that kind of
42:37
Speaker 1: representation discussed in the agreement.
42:41
Speaker 2: Idaho also has.
42:42
Speaker 1: A voluntary capital crimes defense fund, which requires specific criteria,
42:47
Speaker 1: including a prosecutor declaring they will seek the death penalty
42:51
Speaker 1: within 30 days of the defendant entering the plea. So
42:55
Speaker 1: we know that that won't happen until June. So at
42:59
Speaker 1: that point, the clock will be ticking. The prosecution will
43:03
Speaker 1: have 30 days from the time that Brian Koberger enters
43:06
Speaker 1: his plea until And then once that 30 days is up,
43:10
Speaker 1: they have to let the defendant and the state know
43:13
Speaker 1: if they plan on pursuing the death penalty. Kohlberger is
43:17
Speaker 1: expected to enter a plea on June 26, around the
43:21
Speaker 1: same time as the presentation of evidence. So Latah County
43:25
Speaker 1: has until the end of July to officially pursue the
43:28
Speaker 1: death penalty. He is charged with four counts of murder
43:32
Speaker 1: and one count of felony burglary and waived his right.
43:35
Speaker 2: To a speedy.
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Speaker 1: Preliminary hearing in January. Kara Northington previously slammed Taylor for
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Speaker 1: dropping her case to represent Kohlberger, saying she was heartbroken
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Speaker 1: to be silently dropped. When she represented Ben Mogan, he
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Speaker 1: was sentenced to 90 days in prison after pleading guilty
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Speaker 1: to charges in 2020, and Maddie's stepmother pleaded guilty to
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Speaker 1: possession of an illegal substance, but it's unclear if she
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Speaker 1: served any prison time. And it's very, very typical to
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Speaker 1: see these kinds of low-end drug offenses ending up with
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Speaker 1: the person who is being charged with the offense pleading guilty.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times the courts will be easier on
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Speaker 1: them that way, and a lot of times they'll be
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Speaker 1: able to avoid jail time. A legal expert previously called
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Speaker 1: for Taylor to recuse herself from the Koberger case as
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Speaker 1: he believes it could result in the suspected killer appealing
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Speaker 1: any result which he has found guilty. And I've said
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Speaker 1: this too. I've said this a hundred times now, and
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Speaker 1: I guess he can sign a waiver or whatever, but
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Speaker 1: do you really think he's not going to challenge that
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Speaker 1: if he does? 100% he's going to. California appellate and
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Speaker 1: litigation lawyer Matthew Barhoma told DailyMail.com that Taylor seems to
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Speaker 1: want to work on the case with Koberger, describing it
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Speaker 1: as an odd and unique situation. He said Taylor had
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Speaker 1: many prior dealings with the mother on multiple occasions, and
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Speaker 1: that heightens the conflict. You have to assume she received
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Speaker 1: no confidential information from the mother that could be bled
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Speaker 1: into the case. And then you have to question if
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Speaker 1: you can do the job impartially and it could affect
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Speaker 1: Brian and his situation with the attorney. It is an
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Speaker 1: inherently difficult issue with no clear-cut answer and it is
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Speaker 1: a gray area. However, if it were me, I would
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Speaker 1: recuse myself from the case. Now, there is some more
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Speaker 1: to this article. But it's just rehashing stuff that we've
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Speaker 1: talked about plenty of times here about like the search
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Speaker 1: warrant and stuff like that. So for our purposes, we're
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Speaker 1: going to end the article here. But I thought it
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Speaker 1: was interesting to get some of these other additions added
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Speaker 1: to the catalog as far as her pay, what her
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Speaker 1: regular salary was before this, and any of the other
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Speaker 1: details that might have been missed in that other episode.
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Speaker 1: So that's going to do it for this one. And
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