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Mega Edition: What Did Jane Doe Say During Her Testimony During The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (5/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday mark day one
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of the Galain Maxwell trial, and I have to tell
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you I was caught a bit off guard. I wasn't
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expecting Larry big Dog Vasasky to be put on the
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stand right away like that. I figured there would be
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some opening statements from both sides and then we'd get
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into the meat and the potatoes, a little bit of
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the meat on the bone in the coming days. But
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they got right to it yesterday. And Larry Vassoski is
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a major cock within the Epstein realm. He was Epstein's pilot.
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He was flying all of these people all over the world,
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and obviously, according to him, he'll tell you that he
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didn't know who was on all of those flights, especially
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the domestic ones. But you have to think that the
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government believes that he has something to add if they're
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calling him as their first witness. And it also makes
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me wonder if he cuts some kind of deal with
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the government. Now, again, there's zero evidence that Larry Vasosky
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was ever going to be indicted or anything like that,
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but it's pretty interesting that he's working with the government here.
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I mean, we're talking about a guy that Jeffrey Epstein
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gave a plot of land to right over there in
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his own ranch down in Stanley, And when I went
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down there to New Mexico, it is almost hard to
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explain just how vast this property is and just how
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desolate this property is. Jeffrey Epstein set up a nice
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little home away from home down there at Zoro Ranch,
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and the things he was doing down there were very secretive, right,
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It wasn't something that would well publicized. There was a
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reason he chose that spot in New Mexico. I mean,
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obviously one of the reasons is the age of consent there,
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but there were other reasons why Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico.
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And the fact that he was able to get away
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with the things he was able to get away with
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in New Mexico is just mind boggling to me. But
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the point is, you don't give somebody a big fat
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chunk of land in a place that you're hoping to
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keep relatively private or at the very least under a
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shroud of secrecy, a piece of land there if you
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don't trust them. So my question is what enticed him
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to offer up information for the government. Now, again, I
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don't have any lead saying that he had a profit
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agreement or he was in any jeopardy of being indicted.
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But I just find it interesting that he is talking
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with the government now, and not only just talking with
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the government obviously, but taking the stand as a government witness.
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Usually that kind of thing doesn't just happen organically, right.
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The government is uh, you know, they find ways to
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get people to do what they want them to do.
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Especially if you have something that might be criminal hanging
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over your head, they will definitely leverage that, they'll use
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it in their favor, and they'll get you moving in
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a direction that they want you to move in. So
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the Larry Vosasky on the stand, it's definitely very interesting.
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But as I ruminated on it last night and I
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let it marinate, I had some more questions, right, like
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did he get a profer agreement, Is he working with
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the government because he doesn't want to be charged himself,
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or did they just turn him as a witness. So
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it's going to be very interesting to see all of
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the details, right, all of the specifics as we move forward,
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and with something like this a trial, a case with
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just so much information, it's going to be very fluid.
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Things are going to happen quickly, and things are going
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to happen on a daily basis. Every single time that
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you have this jury impaneled and the trial going on,
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you're going to have, you know, significant things coming out
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of those sessions. So getting right off to a jump
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with Larry Vassoski as a witness number one, it just
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tells me that there's going to be some more surprises
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coming down the old shoot here. And I'm very curious
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to see who else the government offers up as witnesses.
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And on the flip side of that, I'm wondering who
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the defense is going to pony up as a witness. Besides,
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they're paid for specialists. Are they going to have any
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one show up and uh, you know Polish Glane Maxwell's reputation.
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Is anyone going to step into that box and say, hey, look,
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Glan Maxwell's a good person, she didn't do this and
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I think that she's innocent. Now, I haven't heard that
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they're gonna have anybody up there to do that, but
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you would think, right if you're the defense, one thing
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you want to do is try to establish that your
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client has, you know, as a person of character, is
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somebody who this is below and somebody who would never
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engage in behavior like this. And if your client is
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somebody like that, it stands to reason that you'd be
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able to find a few people that are willing to,
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you know, go on the record and testify that she's
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a good person or that she's somebody of upstanding character.
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So I'm interested to see what sort of trick the
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Maxwell team pulls out of their hat when it comes
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to a statablishing her as a credible person or somebody
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who should be believed, because you know that the prosecution
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is they're coming hard. Obviously, if Vasoski is the first witness,
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you gotta think that there's gonna be a litany of
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people trotting up to that box that have damning statements
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about Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and the way they
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were conducting themselves. And who better situated than the guy
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that was flying them all around the world. Now, last
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night I updated and I uploaded an episode about the
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other pilot that was brought up at this child David Rodgers,
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you might want to check that out as well. But
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with Larry Vassoski taking the stand here, it's pretty significant
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for those of us who have been following the case especially.
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I was talking with some of my colleagues who follow
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the case yesterday and it was pretty much unanimous consensus that,
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you know, this is probably going to lead us to
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even more explosive witnesses hitting that stant. So I'm very
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interested to see where things go today, and I'm interested
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to see what sort of strategy the defense is going
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to use when it comes to cross examining Larry Vasaski.
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We can definitely expect more of Asaski today and you know,
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we'll see what comes of it. But I think it's
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very very interesting that he was the first witness, and
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I think it's going to be interesting to see how
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it all breaks down from here. So today, what we're
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going to do is we're going to take a look
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at some of the headlines from overnight and yeah, to
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take a look at what's going on. We have a
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headline over here from Slate and this is an article
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that was published by Seth Stevenson. The headline, Glenn Maxwell's
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trial opens with her lawyer diving straight into the muck
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and he goes into what's going on like outside of
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the courthouse and all of that Jazz from the article.
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Outside the Thurgood Marshall Federal Courthouse in Lower Manhattan this morning,
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the media throng assembled to cover day one of the
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Glene Maxwell trial. Print reporters, newsletter writers, podcasters, and television
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crews coalesced into the strangely glamorous frenzy that seems to
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accompany the launch of every high profile criminal proceeding. Now.
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The reason I bring this headline up is I talk
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a lot about how it's Carnival Barker City right now,
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and you're definitely seeing it out in front of the courthouse.
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There are people of all stripes showing up and making
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their voices heard, and you know, you have a lot
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of misinformed people as well. But one thing is very
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apparent to me, and it is that there is a
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lot of anger on both sides of the political fence,
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and it's not very often that you see that. Now.
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Of course, there are the yahoos that are using this
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as a political cudgel to beat their political opponents over
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the head. And I'd be very cautious of any of
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these pundits that are talking about this case from either
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side of the conversation. I'd be very cautious about what
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sort of rhetoric they're spinning towards you, Because this is
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much bigger than that. This is so much bigger than
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Republican and Democrat, This is so much bigger than left
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and right. You have to understand that this was people
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at all levers of power from both parties who were
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enabling this and facilitating this for decades. So to try
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and pin it on one part or the other is
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a great disservice to those who were actually abused by
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this scumbag. So while the circus like atmosphere is to
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be expected, I think that it is one of the
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most gross ways to go about things when you're using
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this as a political cudgel. Now, of course there's a
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political angle to it, right, Definitely. A lot of the
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people involved had ties to politicians or were politicians themselves.
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But it's very apparent when someone's trying to harness this
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as a political weapon, and I would just caution you
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to be very very aware of that. He goes on
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to say, I've seen it before. It always starts this
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way in mystery and frision, and it always ends in
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the squalor. That's the reality of crime, no matter the trial,
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when it comes to a high profile one, it's always
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going to have a cast of characters, right, So I
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just it's one of those things where I just I
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witness and I observe and shake my head. You know,
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you have like like he says here, When Michael Jackson's
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trial for child sexual abuse charges was getting underway, the
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media revved up to cover the bizarre tale of an
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eccentric global superstar. And then the trial began and we
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met a dim, lonely drunk who liked to show porno
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maags to little boys. So I guess what he's trying
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to say here in this article is the perception of
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what a trial is going to be and then the
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reality of it are usually two very very different things,
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and I think we'll see a lot of that in
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this case as well. There are a lot of misinformed
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people when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case, the
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Galainne Maxwell trial and all of the players on the stage,
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and hopefully when we're done here on the podcast, we
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can try and clear a little bit of that up.
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And my suggestion would be to all of you out
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there who are new to this case, who have just
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found the Glen Maxwell trial or have just gotten interested
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in this. I would suggest that you go on to
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social media and you seek out some of the survivors
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from this case and follow them on social media and
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listen to them in their own words. That way, there's
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no background noise, there's no middleman. And one thing that
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these survivors did that was pretty much groundbreaking was they
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skipped the legacy media and they went directly to social media,
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to independent content creators and independent journalists to get the
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story out. And once there was such a swell from
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all of you people out there who have been following
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this case, they were forced to act right. And it's
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been pretty crazy to watch it all unfold because it
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has been in time and time again where not only
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were these girls women victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell,
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but by our very own justice system, by the people
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who were put in place to make sure that the
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most vulnerable amongst us are protected. Those very people failed
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these girls. And you heard it yesterday in the trial,
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and it's something I've been punching home for a long time. Here.
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They chose girls from broken homes, girls who come from
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low income families, girls who don't have as many prospects
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on the horizon, and they specifically search these kinds of
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girls out, And that just makes it even more draconian too.
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Me as if it's not hard enough being broke, being poor,
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coming from a broken home, now you have this multi
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hundred million dollar predator and his co associate, his underboss
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bringing you in to groom you and molest you. And
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it's absolutely horrendous to think about. And the fact that
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they preyed on the most vulnerable amongst us, it just
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makes me so mad. I really dislike bullies, and I
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really like people who punched down. I really dislike people
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who punched down. And Jeffrey Epstein was all of that,
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and Glane Maxwell, she went right along with it. She
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was right there making decisions with them and helping him
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facilitate all of this, according to multiple multiple survivors. He
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goes on to say that he suspects that the trial
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of Glenn Maxwell, who stands accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein
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sexually abuse minors, will follow a similar similar arc to
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those other trials, meaning you know, the whole entire circus, atmosphere,
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et cetera, etc. He says the media has revved itself
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up to cover the story of a stylish, jet setting
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socialite who broke fantastically bad. But over the coming long
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courtroom days, chances are will hear less about how she
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graduated from Oxford, speaks several languages and can pilot helicopters,
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and more about how she allegedly took teenage girls on
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Florida shopping mall excursions as a means of prepping them
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form a less station. Yeah. Well, anyone who's showing up
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here thinking that Glaine Maxwell is just some you know,
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shrinking violet socialite, you're in for a rude awakening, because
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that is not the case. Glaine Maxwell is not that. Okay,
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she knew exactly what she was getting into. Well educated lady,
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comes from money, comes from power, and to think that
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she was just along for the ride is absolutely ridiculous.
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And you know, again, when we talk about the overall
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atmosphere around this trial, oh there's going to be some wildness,
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there's no doubt about it, and there's going to be
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a ton of carnival barkers and a ton of disinformation agents.
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But one thing that is going to be constant, one
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thing that you can guarantee is the profile that's going
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to be painted of Glenn Maxwell is going to be
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less than flattering by the prosecution. And not only that,
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but those assertions, well, they're going to be backed up
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by evidence and the statements from the survivors themselves. So
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it's going to be a very very interesting few weeks
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to see which way Maxwell's team goes with all of this. Now,
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we already know that their strategy so far has been
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to come out and blame the girls basically right saying
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that you know, Maxwell was a just someone who was
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around for Epstein's run. She didn't have anything to do
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with it. And you know the girls are liars. They're
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really above the age of consent. So you know how
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it goes. This is the typical defense when you see
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a case like this. You know, they try and impune
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the reputation of the accusers. They try and set them
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up as if they're money hungry or they're prostitutes or
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whatever it may be. But it's the age that they've
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been doing this forever. It's like when you're in the
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NFL and you fire your coach and you think it's
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a good idea to bring in Wade Wilson again, Bro,
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why are you bringing in the same guy with the
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same playbook, and that's what the Maxwell team is doing here.
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And I've been pretty steadfast in my opinion that it's
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not going to work out. You're not gonna paint Maxwell's escapegoat.
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She's not a stand in for Epstein's crimes, none of that.
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And I really hope that the prosecution punches at home now. Again,
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not very confident in the prosecution in America. The prosecutors
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in America. When they're going after high profile people. Oh sure,
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when the federal authorities are going after you or me,
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it's a home run for them, right slam dunk City.
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But when they're going after their own friends, the other
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members of so called elite society, terry usually turns out
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a little bit different, doesn't it. But hopefully there's enough
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interest and enough anger around this case that they can't
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pull any of those nonsensical moves that they usually like
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to pull. So I hope that the prosecution continues to
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beat home the fact that Glen mac Well was not
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a passenger on this ship. She wasn't just somebody who
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was stowing away. She was in fact piloting the ship.
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Sometimes she was in the navigation room. She knew how
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the engine worked, and she certainly most certainly knew what
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was going on, and for her to set it up
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as if she had no idea what was going on,
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you know that she was just completely taken off off
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guard by what happened. Here is just an absolute ridiculous
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leap that they're asking people to take, and I honestly
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doubt anyone's going to be willing to take that leap.
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So there you have it, folks for the morning. Now,
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trial's getting ready or is back underway as we speak.
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It's six am here in Las Vegas as this episode's
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about to be dropped, So so we got a whole
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day ahead of us. We're gonna keep an eye on things.
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I'm pretty much locked into the studio watching the live
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streams happen with the updates, live updates, not phone or
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you know, digital or anything like that. But there's a
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lot of live threads on like Twitter from Inner City Press.
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Adam Klasfeld has a real good live feed that he's
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been doing, So I'll be following those all day and
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preparing to come back tonight and do a wrap up
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show and talk about what occurred throughout the day and
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the trial and what if any surprises or curveballs or
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thrown our way. If you'd like to contact me, you
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you c c I. The links that we discussed can
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be found in the description box. All right, everybody, I'll
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be back later on. What's up everyone, and welcome back
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to the Epstein Chronicles. Day three of the Glen Maxwell
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trial just wrapped up a little bit ago, and we
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saw three people take the stand. One was a continuance
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from yesterday and that was one of the four accusers Jane.
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Number two was her ex boyfriend, someone being called Matt.
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And the third person was an executive from Interlochan School
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who talks about some of Jeffrey Epstein's donations and stuff
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like that. Now, for those of us who have been
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following this case, this doesn't come as a surprise to us.
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We all knew about this cabin, and in fact, Epstein
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donated so much money to this school that the cabin
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was named after him. Now, think about that for a minute.
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Should this man be anywhere near all of these young
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teenage be tween girls. Probably not the right place for
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this guy. But what they'll say is, as an organization,
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the Interlocan School, oh well, we had no idea, We
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had no idea that Jeffrey Epstein was a predator or
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Jeffrey Epstein was this sick, disgusting human being. But shouldn't
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they know better? If you're going to give somebody access
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to your campus and you have a bunch of children
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running around, isn't it a good idea to properly vet
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those people? And if not, at what point is there
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some accountability for this school? Now I'm certainly not an
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investigator or a lawyer, and that's just a genuine question.
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At what point do we say, all right, well, this
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school is the one that welcomed Jeffrey Epstein with open
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arms onto its campus and then this happened. So while
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they're not directly responsible for the abuse, right, the school
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didn't do it. Jeffrey Epstein did, but they opened the door.
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And I think that that's a point that needs to
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be discussed a little bit more so, these organizations that
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were with Epstein, helping Epstein, helping Maxwell. They need to
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have their part of the responsibility for enabling all of this,
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and we've seen it throughout this case. There has been
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some responsibility from at least the social aspect of this.
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We know that Glenn Dubin has lost his status, We
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know that Les Wexner had to step down, Leon Black
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had to step down. Prince Andrew is absolutely disgraced, but
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it's not far enough, right. It's one thing to be
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disgraced and still go home and swim around in your
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billions and billions of dollars, and a whole other thing
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to be held responsible for your alleged role in Jeffrey
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Epstein's criminal enterprise. And we have to remember, though, that
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the scope of this trial specifically is only in regards
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to the behavior of Maxwell in the time period. So
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people who are expecting a bunch of other stuff to
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be brought up here, I think they're going to be
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a bit disappointed. Now we're going to hear names of
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people who were in Epstein's circle. Again. We heard about
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Trump today, we heard about Clinton, and you know, these
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are reoccurring names that if you've followed the Jeffrey Epstein case,
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You've seen these names pop up over and over and
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over again. And if it was just one tabloid, say
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who was talking about it, it's easy to shrug your
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shoulders and say, oh, come on, what a bunch of
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ludicrous nonsense. But when you get story after story after story,
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it is a little harder to ignore it. And that's
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what we have seen. We have just seen time and
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time again, story after story about the culpability of all
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of these people around Jeffrey Epstein, whether it be enabling
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him and Maxwell or outright participating. It's the same story
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for all of these people. And Campus is like this
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school campus up in Michigan. They need to have some
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kind of penalty when stuff like this happens. Because you're
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a school, right your job is to raise and nurture children.
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You would think probably to keep them safe is a
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big part of that as well. So I hope that
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there is some kind of repercussions, but I'm doubtful. You see,
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there's never repercussions for the enablers, and it certainly doesn't
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seem like there'll be serious repercussions for the enablers here
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in this case as well, at least not in this
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portion of the trial. So we're gonna jump into some
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of that testimony today and we're gonna go through the
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testimony from Jane, from Matt, and then from the executive
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from Interloking. So let's dive in and let's start with
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the testimony from Jane. So obviously they got ready to
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go in the morning. There were some issues. They had
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some issues about a Rule sixteen issue about it went
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into some things that could be disclosed or shouldn't be
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disclosed if it's an impeachment of the witness, blah blah blah.
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So they had this whole entire discussion before the jury
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even came into the room. So they got that all
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square it away, they had a sidebar, got it all
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locked in, and then the jury comes into the room
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and we get ready to go. Now, the questioning from
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Meninger stayed in the same ballpark that it was in
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yesterday and what we expected, very combative and trying to
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set Jane up as somebody who has a problem remembering things. Also,
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of course there's the money angle. Oh, this is about money,
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this is about this, this is about that, when in reality,
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it's about the abuse that Jane suffered at the hands
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of Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. They want to make it
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about everything but that, and hopefully the jury doesn't bite.
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So Meninger starts off the questioning by asking did you
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turn seventeen in your final year at Interlogan. Jane answers, no,
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I was sixteen. Menager directs the jurors to pick up
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a small binder under their chairs and turned to j three.
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So obviously I have no idea what Jay three is.
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We none of us know. It's evidence that was introduced
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to the trial and discovery, I'm guessing, and now they
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want the jurors to take a look at that as
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far as the testimony that Jane is giving here. So
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you'll see that from time to time they'll have things
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pre prepared as part of their questioning strategy. Menager goes
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on to say, and your application said you came from
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a long and loving family, right. Jane says that's what
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it says. Menager says, do you recognize the document? Jane
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goes on to say, I do not recognize it per se,
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but I see my signature. Meninger advises her that it's
28:52
your application to Interlogan manager, then goes on to say
28:57
when you spoke to your younger brother. You didn't mention
28:59
there was a correct Jane says, I don't think so.
29:04
Manager goes on to say, and you told a new
29:06
source that you were approached by Glaine. No mention of Glane. Correct.
29:10
Jane says, I don't remember that. And again, remember this
29:13
is their strategy. They want to try and make it
29:17
seem like she has no idea what she's talking about,
29:20
like she has no real memories of this or a
29:23
recollection of this. And you also see why they're bringing
29:27
the memory expert in that they were able to call
29:31
as a witness, or they're going to be able to
29:33
call as a witness. So it all lines up. Now
29:35
their strategy really starts to make sense. It's a two
29:39
pronged approach, right, A you misremember basically calling her a liar,
29:43
but in a nice way, and b oh, you're motivated
29:47
by money. That has always been their strategy, and that
29:51
has always been the way that they were going to
29:54
go about this. Really, what it all comes down to
29:58
is is the jury going buy it or are they
30:01
going to see through it and understand what really happened here?
30:07
A Meninger goes on to say, when you got to
30:09
Epstein's house with your mother. Your house was in West
30:12
Palm Beach, right, Jane says, no, it was in Palm Beach.
30:16
Meninger says, you didn't cross any state lines, did you? No?
30:20
I didn't. There were only the three of us having tea.
30:23
So she's trying to establish that this didn't happen over
30:26
state lines, but which is ridiculous because maybe this one
30:30
instance didn't, But what about the trips to New Mexico?
30:34
And then shouldn't that enact the man Act right away?
30:38
You would think that there would be the man Act
30:41
being thrown around in this case, but we haven't seen it,
30:45
and we certainly haven't seen Rico. That's what really this
30:47
should have have fallen under. This is a criminal conspiracy
30:52
put in place by numerous people, so it should be
30:56
a Rico case and a huge umbrella, but unfortunately it's not.
31:00
But what Menager is trying to do here is to
31:03
establish that this didn't happen over state lions, and she's
31:06
trying to conflate it and cause some confusion. Meninger goes
31:12
on to say, have you ever spoken with your sisters
31:15
about your boyfriends? Jane goes on to say I didn't
31:19
have any boyfriends. Then the US attorney called for a
31:23
brief sidebar. So I'm sure that they had to confer
31:27
about the line of questioning or about some of the
31:30
other particulars going on, so they called for the sidebar.
31:34
And you'll see this in trials, obviously. I'm sure you're
31:37
all aware. In the middle of a trial, one of
31:39
the defense or the prosecution will call for a sidebar
31:43
with the judge. So after the sidebar ended, Maxwell's lawyer
31:48
comes back and she says, look at the last line
31:51
in the top paragraph. You told the agents that Epstein
31:54
would decide where everyone sat. And as Meninger was pursuing
32:00
this line of questioning, there was an objection by the prosecutors,
32:05
and the objection was she should only ask does it
32:08
refresh your recollection? So Judge Nathan says, go ahead and ask,
32:13
and Menager, with those exact words, says, does it refresh
32:16
your recollection? Jane goes on to answer yes, Menager says,
32:22
and there was nothing sexual in the theater. Jane goes right.
32:27
So what she's trying to do is again build a
32:32
timeline where she is showing that Jane doesn't remember or
32:39
that this doesn't happen, or that it was all just,
32:42
you know, very innocent what Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell
32:46
were up to. And this obviously is going to be
32:53
the line of defense as we move forward. Menager goes
32:59
on to say, yesterday it said it was shortly after
33:03
the poolhouse that you had this incident with Epstein and Glaine. Right.
33:07
Prosecutors objection, as to form, Judge Nathan says, specify what
33:11
you're talking about. Prosecution objection. Menager says, this is foundational.
33:18
So what Menager is saying is that this is a
33:22
very important part of all of their defense here. Right,
33:26
this is foundational to our defense. It has to be admitted.
33:29
Menager goes on to say, you told the government you
33:32
do not have a specific memory of your first time
33:35
with Glaine. Prosecutors objection, Menager, you have come up with
33:39
the memory in the last two years. Jane says, I
33:42
don't believe I have come up with the memory. No,
33:45
So again, you see the memory, right, We're gonna go
33:48
after the memory. She doesn't know what she's talking about.
33:52
She forgot, this never happened. She misremembered, and that's how
33:57
they roll. And you know, so once we saw the
34:01
witnesses that Glaine Maxwell was going to call, once we
34:05
saw the memory experts and all of that, we should
34:08
have been aware that this was going to be a
34:12
key component. Jane says, it is not typed up right
34:18
on this form Maxwell's lawyer Manager another typo by the government,
34:23
you know, an unneeded dig. But again, it's gonna get
34:26
testy in this courtroom. This is one of those explosive cases.
34:30
Manager is making a boatload of money and it's going
34:34
to get explosive at points. What I think is interesting
34:37
as well. You notice that Everdell isn't doing the cross today,
34:41
that it's Manager who took over because they wanted to
34:43
get into the slime and the crime, so they figured
34:45
if they had another woman performing the cross it would
34:48
go over better. Prosecution objection. Manager says, you told the
34:55
government Glaine never used sex toys or a vibrator on you.
34:59
Jane said, correct. So again what they're trying to do
35:05
is establish Jane as a liar. Well, you said one
35:08
thing fifteen years ago or twenty years ago, and you're
35:10
saying another thing now, And that's definitely what they're going
35:14
to do. And I know it's frustrating for people to watch,
35:18
and it's gross. The behavior is gross, but this is
35:21
what these lawyers do. There is no rock left unturned
35:27
by these lawyers, especially when you're paying this kind of money,
35:30
and it's just gonna get grimier, folks. Unfortunately, I just
35:33
want to prepare you all for a real disgusting few weeks,
35:39
especially those of you who haven't followed this case and
35:42
might only have a skin deep idea about what happened here.
35:46
This is some of the most sadistic brutality ever and
35:51
performed by people in the most highest of positions. Menager
36:00
goes on to say, you said Glane never saw your
36:02
perform oral sex on Epstein. Jane says, I don't recall.
36:07
Meninger replies, look at the document. Judge Nathan says, let's
36:11
take a break. So that was the first session this morning,
36:15
when Jane first got on the stage on the stand
36:19
and the questioning started. Now they had a break, and
36:23
then after the break, obviously they came back, so we'll
36:26
dive into that part of the testimony now. So after
36:35
they came back from the eleven o'clock break, Meninger's lawyer continued,
36:40
I mean Maxwell's lawyer manager continued with the same line
36:43
of questioning, again attacking the memory of Jane. She goes
36:49
on to say, you testified yesterday your first sex with Epstein,
36:54
and you first had sex with Epstein in his poolhouse
36:56
in Florida, but you told the government it was in
36:59
New York. Jane says, those are not my notes. I
37:02
did not write that down and it was not recorded.
37:05
So she's trying to once again act like Jane is
37:09
basically lying here, saying that she told she testified yesterday
37:15
that the first time her and Epstein had sex, the
37:19
first time she was assaulted by Epstein, was in the
37:22
poolhouse in Florida. But she goes on to say that
37:25
she told the government that it was in New York,
37:28
and Jane disputes this. She says that that's not the case.
37:32
Those weren't her notes and she did not write that down.
37:35
So it'll be interesting to see what the Jerry makes
37:38
of that. Menainger goes on to say, you told them
37:42
you only remembered one incident in New York when Galane
37:44
was present. Jane goes on to say, I don't recall.
37:48
Meninger says, look at document three five zero nine dash
37:52
zero zero three. Hasn't your story changed? Jane replies, I
37:57
didn't understand the question. So the hammering continues, and you
38:02
see her dog at approach here. She's not giving up
38:04
an inch Menager. And as I was following along with
38:08
some of the comments today in some of these threads,
38:12
people were not very happy with Menager. And it is
38:15
a gross tactic. But that's what these lawyers do. Lawyers
38:19
like Menager. This is her specialty, right. She enjoys it. Now,
38:25
I'm not saying she enjoys, you know, going hard on victims.
38:29
I'm talking about she definitely enjoys her job, you can tell.
38:32
And she might even enjoy that part of it. Who knows.
38:34
I don't know the lady, but I'll tell you this much.
38:37
I don't think, when all said and done, that this
38:40
is going to be the right strategy. Menager goes on
38:44
to say, you told the government you flew to New
38:46
York with Epstein in Glane to see the Lion King. Jane,
38:50
I said that, but I was incorrect in my timeline.
38:53
I was fourteen, So The Lion King came out in
38:58
nineteen ninety four, and that's when she was fourteen. But
39:05
they're talking about again time frames. They're also brought up
39:13
that the Broadway show The Lion King, which started in
39:15
nineteen ninety seven, which would have had the timeline incorrect.
39:20
But Jane here is saying she was fourteen. Menager goes
39:25
on to say, you were a student of theater and
39:27
the arts at the time. Correct prosecution objection as to form.
39:33
So you know what that means, right, She's trying to say,
39:35
she's an actor. So you're a student of theater and
39:38
arts at the time, right, so you know how to act?
39:40
You had you know, you got acting chops, You're the
39:43
next insert great actress here. That's how Menager is going
39:47
to frame it. That's what she's going to try and infer. Meanwhile,
39:53
we know she was a young kid at the time.
39:56
How many of you out there took theater classes. How
39:58
many of you out there were thespians. I know I
40:01
was in technical theater growing up, and I highly doubt
40:06
anyone was as good of an actor to pull off
40:09
a whole acting performance here. I mean, it's just ridiculous,
40:15
and it just goes to show you that the whole
40:18
entire plan is scorched earth for Maxwell. It also in
40:24
my opinion anyway shows that they're desperate. If they weren't desperate,
40:29
I highly doubt they'd be going this route now. At
40:33
this point, Judge Nathan called for another break because Jane
40:37
needed some water. Then they get back on the stand
40:41
and Menager continues with her peppering of Jane. Let's go
40:46
to your conversation in February twenty twenty about the Lion
40:49
King prosecution. No objection. Menager says, I know, miss Mo
40:53
would like to come and do this for me. Another
40:56
dig at the prosecutors, and Menager is you know, skating
41:02
on thin ice with that kind of stuff. I mean,
41:05
it's kind of expected for the snarkiness to happen, but
41:09
this early in the trial, boys, like I said, she's
41:12
bringing out all the artillery. Obviously, Alison Moe objected to that,
41:18
and then Menager goes, but the Lion King on Broadway
41:21
didn't start until you were seventeen years old. Did the
41:23
government or mister Glassman suggest to you that you might
41:26
have meant the Lion King movie. Prosecution goes on objection,
41:33
so again bringing up the Lion King and trying to
41:39
point out that there's a lot of misremembering going on. Here,
41:44
and it's was left at that. After the objection, Menager
41:50
then changes her tactic or line of questioning to talk
41:54
about New Mexico. So you recall going to the New
41:57
Mexico Range, a giant, huge home, correct, Jane replies, like
42:01
all the homes, Meninger says, and that Jeffrey Ups, Epstein's
42:05
brother went with you. Correct. Jane says, I don't recall now,
42:09
that would be interesting. Huh. We really haven't heard too
42:12
much about Mark Epstein. He's been kind of a enigma
42:16
throughout all of this, but we know that he's an
42:19
owner of the building on sixty sixth Street where a
42:22
lot of these trafficked girls were being housed. And again
42:26
it raises the question, how is there not a rico
42:29
case here? How are all of the people who are
42:32
financially connected to Epstein and Maxwell not being forced to
42:36
sing a song? And unfortunately, what it shows you is
42:40
that the government just doesn't have the backbone to do
42:43
what is really needed to be done here. Meninger went
42:48
on to say, you weren't asked to have sex with
42:50
any of Epstein's friends, were you? Jane says no. Meninger says,
42:54
did Epstein introduce you to people in the arts. Jane
42:58
replies not really, then goes on to say to the
43:01
dean of Interlogan at a cocktail party, Jane, I don't recall.
43:06
And this is a shrewd tactic by Menager. What she's
43:08
trying to do is to get her to say I
43:10
don't recall as many times as possible, so she'll ask
43:14
like vague questions, do you remember meeting people in the arts?
43:16
Did you ever meet the dean of inter Logan at
43:18
a cocktail party? Mind you, this is back in nineteen
43:21
ninety four, so it is the strategy that is very
43:27
apparent at this point, and I wonder what the prosecution
43:32
is going to have up their sleeve to answer it.
43:36
Menainger then goes on to say, in Document three five
43:39
zero nine Dash zero zero one, you said you met
43:43
Donald Trump at mar A Lago before the poolhouse incident. Jane,
43:47
I don't recall, Menager, you said Epstein took you in
43:50
a dark green car to mar A Lago to a
43:53
meeting with Donald Trump, and prosecution says asked An answered
43:58
and also misleading. So very interesting that they bring that
44:03
up again, right, and what I think they're trying to
44:05
do is establish the fact that there are a lot more,
44:10
if you want to say, bigger fish involved in all
44:13
of this. So they keep pointing out things like Trump, etc. Etc.
44:17
And again another good tactic from Menager. But I don't
44:22
think it's gonna be enough to throw people off of
44:25
the ball here. And I think that the main point
44:29
for the prosecution and for this trial, remember, is Maxwell
44:34
and the crimes that she's being accused of. So they're
44:37
going to try and conflate it with all kinds of
44:39
other things. But it's gonna be up to the prosecution
44:43
to keep the jurors eye on the ball. Menager says,
44:48
you also had some recollections about flying on the private
44:51
plane with Epstein, right. Jane says yes. Menager goes on
44:56
to say, you said you were asked your weight when
44:58
you got on the plane. Correct. Jane says yes. And
45:01
there was a lot of weird stuff that happened within
45:04
Epstein's circle. He had a lot of things like that
45:07
go on. For instance, the Core four all would go
45:10
get their haircuts down at Frederick Facai's shop. He had
45:13
a tab there when they'd all go down get the
45:16
haircut that he liked, and it was, you know, a
45:18
very weird situation in the whole Epstein circle, Very very
45:23
very much not what is being presented by the media.
45:31
Meninger says, in twenty nineteen, before Epstein was arrested, you
45:35
were contacted by the government, right, Jane says. Yes. Defense
45:40
goes on to say, but you said you were not
45:42
interested in getting involved. Jane says, right, So you're gonna
45:48
hold that against her. Why would anyone want to get
45:51
involved of testifying against Epstein before he was dead, considering
45:55
the fact that he was caught literally with his pants
45:58
down and nothing happened to him. You're somebody from a
46:01
broken home, You're somebody from a disadvantaged background, somebody who
46:05
and you have this man with all of this power
46:07
and all of this influence. What are you supposed to
46:10
do go and tell on him? Well, how'd that work
46:12
out for Maria Farmer? How did it work out for
46:14
all the girls in Palm Beach? So again this part
46:18
of the defense falling flat in my opinion. The defense
46:25
goes to say, then you hired mister Glassman, a personal
46:28
injury lawyer with ADS. Well, yeah, of course, he adds ads,
46:31
he's a lawyer. What does that even mean, who is
46:34
she supposed to go and hire some high profile lawyer
46:36
like you, missus Meninger. She didn't have that kind of money.
46:39
She was living in a poolhouse, remember, But all of
46:42
a sudden everybody should go and hire miss Meninger and
46:45
Christian Everdell God forbid a lawyer has some ads on
46:48
a billboard. Menager redirects her question and changes reform and
46:55
then goes on to say did you see his ads
46:57
touting his big verdicts. Jane responds, he's a friend of
47:00
a friend. Manager goes a manager's response to that is
47:05
is this year contingent fee agreement? Showing her a document obviously.
47:09
Jane replies, yes, it is, So they're setting it up
47:13
like Glassman. Here was the one who talked Jane into
47:18
going to the government about Epstein. Again, all about money,
47:21
all about motivated by money, and I don't really buy that,
47:26
to be honest with you, it's ridiculous. Again, who is
47:29
she supposed to reach out to? Not all of us
47:31
have millions and millions of dollars. Not all of us
47:34
have a big bank account where we can hire an
47:36
all star team of lawyers. After that exchange, Menager changes
47:44
tax again and starts asking about the ex boyfriend Matt
47:48
who we heard about yesterday and I told you would
47:51
be a witness today. You've talked to your ex boyfriend
47:55
Matt Right. Jane says right. Menager goes on, and you
48:07
were in a beauty pageant sponsored by Donald Trump. Jane
48:10
says yes. Menager says, do you recall crying that Jeffrey
48:14
Epstein only gave you two thousand dollars for address? Jane
48:18
says no. Then Menager goes on to say you were
48:21
on a reality TV show with Matt Right, and Jane
48:25
responds yes. So there's a lot there. First of all,
48:28
you were in a beauty pageant sponsored by Donald Trump. Okay,
48:31
Trump sponsored a ton of beauty pageants, So that doesn't
48:34
shock me one bit. We talked about that a little
48:37
bit yesterday. Trump has had his hands in all kinds
48:39
of you know, beauty pageants and that sort of a
48:43
scummy part of the world. That's why it cracks me
48:46
up when anyone expects this, you know, this guy to
48:48
be like some great guy or something. News flash, he's not.
48:52
None of them are, none of these people, these politicians,
48:56
and they're all gross. All of these people who were
48:58
hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein and I don't care, I
49:02
don't I don't care if it's oh, it's my favorite politician. Well,
49:04
I don't know what to tell you. The hero worshiping
49:07
is really weird to me, and especially when it comes
49:10
to these guys who have been outed as absolute scumbags.
49:16
Menager says, and there was tension and you cried. Jane responds,
49:21
reality shows are not really reality. Then Manager says, you
49:25
claimed you were putting a roof over your family's head.
49:28
Jane responds, I don't know if i'd use those words.
49:32
You told that to Matt. Jane responds, well, they were
49:35
living at my house. So you see what she did
49:38
here with the reality TV show. She throws that in
49:41
there to once again to try and point out to
49:44
the the jury that she's a looking for money. She's
49:49
an actress, she wants to increase her profile, and this
49:56
is all they really have. This is what they're going
49:58
to continue to do. Menager continued, And you demanded money
50:03
from Glean Maxwell. Jane says, I have a lawyer. Menainger says,
50:07
and you sought money from the Epstein compensation fund. Look
50:10
at exhibit j eighteen at six you were offered how much?
50:14
Jane says five million, So that's significant right there, folks.
50:18
And you know, people don't talk about this enough, but
50:20
they should. Once Epstein's a state paid that money out
50:24
to these girls, they're accepting liability that this happened. So
50:29
right here in court with Epstein paying out that money,
50:33
Menainger pointing it out, Well, Epstein is taking responsibility and
50:37
culpability here because they're paying for it, aren't they If
50:41
this never happened, do you really think that Epstein's estate
50:44
would be paying out this money. So they're taking responsibility
50:50
for it. And what Glan Maxwell and her team are
50:52
trying to do is push it all on to Epstein
50:57
and act like Galan Maxwell had no part in any
51:01
of this. So after those questions, Judge Nathan said that
51:09
it's time for lunch. Everybody heads out to lunch, you know,
51:12
goes and does their thing, and then they get back
51:15
in you know, roughly an hour, and the questioning continues.
51:22
So after lunch when they came back, Menager again kept going.
51:26
So you went to a specialized entertainment school, right manager,
51:30
And since then, you've played roles like a cancer patient Jane, yes, Menager,
51:35
prostitute Jane, no, Menager, you can cry on command. That
51:42
line is just a prostitute. You have to throw that
51:45
in there. Right, Let's just go ahead and throw that
51:47
in there, shouldn't we And ridiculous Again, she says no,
51:52
and then you can cry on command. Ridiculous. So basically,
51:57
again trying to establish that she's that this is all premeditated,
52:02
it's all made up, and it's all in act. Menager says,
52:06
your accusations in this case include that you were fourteen
52:09
when you were abused, right, Jane, yes, Menager. You first
52:13
told the government you were thirteen, right, Jane, I might
52:16
have said thirteen going on fourteen. It's a small technicality,
52:20
And she's right, that's a long time ago. There's a
52:23
lot of trauma and a lot of research that goes
52:26
into all of this that talks about how there's repressed
52:29
memories and all of that. Again, I am not a psychologist.
52:33
I won't even begin to act like I understand all
52:36
of that science. Also, Jane said, on the prostitute role,
52:44
not my favorite role. Manager goes on to say, you
52:48
talk about the Lion King and you say you were fourteen,
52:51
but it only came out when you were seventeen, right,
52:54
and you said you were fifteen when you met Mike
52:55
Wallace at his eightieth birthday party. Right again bringing up
52:59
other people. Very shrewd move by Menager. She wants to
53:02
take the spotlight off of her client and put it
53:06
on some of the other names that have been in
53:08
Jeffrey Epstein's atmosphere. She goes on to say, Jane says,
53:15
I don't know how old I was. This one cracked
53:18
me up. Menager goes, you don't know when his birthday is?
53:21
Look at j thirty three. Does it refresh your recollection?
53:24
Breaking news? Meninger, who the hell knows when Mike Wallace
53:28
was born? Who the hell knows when Mike Meetloaf Wallace
53:33
was born? I mean, really, you expect this young lady
53:36
to know when Mike Wallace was born? Holy? Really? Obviously
53:43
the prosecutors object to this and it was sustained, Nathan
53:48
saying there was no basis for refreshing. Meninger goes on
53:53
and says, in your civil case, you got integration interrogatories.
53:59
Do you know what those are? Jane says no. Manager says,
54:03
so your lawyer answered for you. Under your oath and
54:05
you didn't know. Jane says, I don't know very honest
54:09
about what occurred here, right, And I think at this
54:12
point it's rather obvious to the Jerry what's going on here? Now? Again,
54:16
I don't have a line to the Jerry. I certainly
54:18
am not a mind reader, but you would think that
54:22
it's obvious where they're going with this. Now it's uh
54:32
moved on and the redirect starts with assistant prosecutor asking
54:40
the questions, did any of US prosecutors ever tell you
54:44
what to say at this trial? Jane responds, no, Prosecutor,
54:49
you were asked about notes of meetings with the US
54:52
Did you speak about everything all at once? And Jane
54:57
goes on to say no. Then she goes on to say,
55:01
why did you speak to the tabloid reporter? And that
55:05
was a big mistake by Jane, right. Speaking to a
55:08
tabloid reporter is never a good idea. These people don't
55:12
have any kouth. They're just trying to get a story
55:15
out in a headline out. Jane says, he basically blackmailed me.
55:20
He said he would publish unredacted documents. Judge Nathan says
55:24
this is not for the truth of the matter asserted,
55:27
but impact on the listener. Prosecutors go on to say,
55:31
did you make an agreement with the reporter? Jane says, yes,
55:35
I talk about meeting Jeffrey Epstein. The reporter would keep
55:38
my name out of it. I was working on a
55:40
TV show. And this is the scummy moves that a
55:42
lot of these reporters are up to. A lot of
55:44
these so called legacy media journalists are up to, and
55:47
that's why people don't have any faith in them or
55:49
any trust in them. When somebody tells you something in
55:52
confidence like this, I don't care if you're a reporter
55:54
or not. If something is off the record, it should
55:57
stay off the record. But there's no oh dignity, right,
56:01
there's no more moral compass. It's all about who can
56:04
get the headline out first and who can move the
56:06
most units. And it's rather gross, honestly. The prosecution says,
56:13
do you know the difference between acting on television and
56:16
testifying in court? Jane now sobbing, crying, answers, Yes, this
56:23
is real. I am seeking closure. I have been running
56:26
from this my entire life. I want to help in
56:29
whatever way I can and maybe find some healing so
56:33
again she's sobbing now rough for her, obviously reliving all
56:38
of this, talking about all of this, putting it all
56:41
out there for everybody to see. The prosecutor goes on
56:46
to say, do you have any financial interest in this trial?
56:49
Change response, No. Prosecutor is done with her line of
56:54
questioning and says nothing further. Judge Nathan says that Jane,
56:59
you can step down, and then they take another break,
57:02
and after the break they go on to the next
57:05
two witnesses, and they weren't on the stand very long today,
57:10
so I'm guessing we'll pick up with that line of
57:14
questioning tomorrow as far as the gentleman that they ended
57:20
with here, the man from Interlogan. So after their break
57:24
they come back and now the ex boyfriend Matt is
57:28
on the stand. Now, Matt, we talked about a little
57:30
bit yesterday when he was brought up. I was wondering
57:33
who he was gonna be, and then it came to light,
57:35
obviously that it was the ex boyfriend of Jane. So
57:40
let's jump into this line of questioning from the prosecutors.
57:45
How do you know Jane, Matt responds, she's my ex
57:48
girlfriend from two thousand and six, to twenty and fourteen prosecution?
57:52
Did you live together Matt yes? From two thousand and
57:56
seven to twenty and fourteen prosecution. Are you still friends?
58:01
Matt yes, and we work on the same TV show.
58:05
So that's a pretty cool thing to see. Huh that
58:11
her ex from all these years ago is willing to
58:13
step up to the plate and take the stand in
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a trial as hyper sensitive as this prosecution. What did
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Jane tell you about her home life? To this question,
58:25
Maxwell's lawyers objected? Nathan responds, any foundation, and Maxwell's lawyers
58:31
say it's hearsay, So another sidebar commences. After they return,
58:35
Nathan says, miss Mo, I'll ask you to narrow the question. Mo.
58:41
Did Jane speak about her family finance when she grew up?
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Matt yes that when her father got sick, they went broke,
58:47
the mother was working a small job. They were in
58:50
the same bed. So what he's doing here is corroborating
58:54
what Jane had said, telling the court what he knows
58:58
about this, what Jane had told him and revealed to
59:02
him in their time together, and it corroborates the story
59:06
that Jane has been telling. Matt goes on to say,
59:16
she told me she had a godfather. Later she told
59:20
me it was Jeffrey Epstein. I said he helped pay
59:22
your bills. She said, yes, Prosecution. When did she tell
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you she met Epstein. Maxwell's lawyers object to this, and
59:30
Nathan goes on to tell the prosecution that they have
59:33
to ask more specific questions. Alison Moe, did Jane tell
59:38
you what happened between her and Jeffrey Epstein? Matt not specifically, Prosecution.
59:43
Did she say why he gave her money? Matt said,
59:46
she just said it was not free. That's pretty chilling.
59:50
Imagine this young girl has to do whatever Epstein wants,
59:55
if she wants a new instrument for school, or if
59:58
she doesn't want her mom thrown out on the street,
1:00:00
or she doesn't want her family not to be able
1:00:02
to eat. Prosecution. Did they tell you about a woman
1:00:07
who was involved? Matt said yes. Prosecution then says, did
1:00:11
she give the woman's name? Response from the witness, Matt no.
1:00:16
Back to the prosecution. What was her demeanor like when
1:00:19
Jane told you about Jeffrey Epstein? Shame, Matt responds, and
1:00:24
that's a typical emotion when it comes to this sort
1:00:28
of thing. Unfortunately, a lot of shame and that's because
1:00:31
there's a big stigma on all of this, right, you know,
1:00:34
these girls that come forward a lot of times, they're
1:00:36
dragged through the mud. They have their reputations just completely destroyed,
1:00:41
and it's almost not worth it unfortunately for these girls,
1:00:44
especially with high profile people like this. The prosecution says,
1:00:54
what did Jane tell her money? Matt goes on to
1:00:56
say that money was not free. That and before you
1:00:59
could finished the prosecution they cut him off and prosecution goes,
1:01:04
don't say what the mother said, Just what Jane said.
1:01:08
Matt continues his statement. Jane told her mother that the
1:01:11
money was not free and that it should not have
1:01:13
been allowed. And the profile that we have painted of
1:01:19
Jane's mom is not good. You know, Jane's mom. It
1:01:23
seems like she was looking in the other direction here,
1:01:25
and it's kind of disturbing the way Jane was explaining
1:01:28
it and how her mom was kind of, you know,
1:01:31
trying to shame her about this kind of thing, and
1:01:34
really pretty sad to read that. So after the questioning
1:01:40
was done, Maxwell's lawyers didn't even bother with the cross
1:01:45
of Matt, so he was sent on his way. And
1:01:49
then the next witness who was brought up was Daniel
1:01:53
Vesselsen of Interlogan. Now he's one of the executives over there,
1:01:58
one of the money men, and he was brought in
1:02:01
to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and the fundraising aspect of this.
1:02:08
So he gets into the witness chair and prosecution starts out.
1:02:12
Where is interlog in Michigan? Vesselson responds, near Traverse City Prosecution,
1:02:18
how did you keep fundraising records? Vesselson Salesforce prosecution. We
1:02:24
offered GX seven forty four a document under seal. Now
1:02:28
GX seven forty one. Vesselson responds a letter to mister
1:02:33
Epstein about the scholarship's lodge. How much he'd give? So
1:02:37
obviously we don't know what the seal documents have to say,
1:02:40
but I'm guessing it has to do with the amount
1:02:42
of money Epstein gave to this lodge, which was a
1:02:46
lot of money. Prosecution, what's this? Looking at the document
1:02:52
and Vesselson says, the lodge formerly known as the Jeffrey
1:02:55
Epstein Scholarship Lodge. Can you imagine the law on property
1:03:01
was named after Jeffrey Epstein? And we've we've been talking
1:03:07
about this for years. You would think this is something
1:03:10
the legacy media would have been all over. You would
1:03:12
think that this would have caused at the very least
1:03:15
some questions to be asked. But silence. So now the
1:03:24
cross examination starts, and it's very short because it's obviously
1:03:30
almost time to wrap up. So Maxwell's lawyers, you don't
1:03:34
have records for the individual and the individual's siblings. Correct.
1:03:37
Vesselson goes on to say, correct, Maxwell's lawyer, mister Epstein
1:03:42
certainly was a major donor. Correct Vesselson. Yes, And with that,
1:03:47
that's the end of it for today. Now tomorrow they're
1:03:50
gonna bring Vesselson back up and they'll finish this cross
1:03:53
examination and we'll see what else they have in store
1:03:55
for us as far as witnesses and all of that jazz.
1:03:59
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1:04:46
up for today, folks, And that's where we stand as
1:04:49
far as the trial. As day three comes to a
1:04:53
close and we await day four, we'll just have to
1:04:57
see what sort of twists and turn burns are in
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