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The Battle of Understanding: Magic and Science · Systematic Geekology

• 1:11
  Foreign.
• 1:14
  What
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  if
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  you
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  had
• 1:15
  magicians,
• 1:16
  however
• 1:17
  you
• 1:17
  want
• 1:17
  to
• 1:17
  define
• 1:18
  that
• 1:18
  term,
• 1:18
  on
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  one
• 1:19
  side
• 1:19
  of
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  room,
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  and
• 1:20
  scientists,
• 1:22
  however
• 1:22
  you
• 1:22
  want
• 1:23
  to
• 1:23
  define
• 1:23
  that
• 1:24
  term,
• 1:24
  on
• 1:24
  the
• 1:24
  other
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  side
• 1:25
  of
• 1:25
  the
• 1:25
  room,
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  and
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  they
• 1:26
  had
• 1:27
  a
• 1:27
  showdown,
• 1:28
  however
• 1:28
  you
• 1:29
  define
• 1:30
  that,
• 1:30
  who
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  would
• 1:32
  win?
• 1:33
  Well,
• 1:33
  in
• 1:33
  this
• 1:33
  episode,
• 1:34
  we
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  are
• 1:35
  going
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  to
• 1:35
  find
• 1:35
  out.
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  Maybe.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  another
• 1:39
  episode
• 1:40
  of
• 1:40
  Systematic
• 1:40
  Ecology.
• 1:41
  I
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  am
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  one
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  of
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  your
• 1:42
  hosts,
• 1:43
  Will
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  Rose,
• 1:44
  AKA
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  Wilbo
• 1:45
  Baggins.
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  And
• 1:46
  with
• 1:47
  me,
• 1:47
  I
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  have
• 1:48
  one
• 1:48
  of
• 1:48
  my
• 1:48
  favorite
• 1:49
  scientists,
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  Andy
• 1:51
  Walsh.
• 1:52
  Andy,
• 1:53
  how
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  are
• 1:53
  you
• 1:53
  doing?
• 1:54
  And
• 1:54
  what
• 1:54
  are
• 1:54
  you
• 1:55
  geeking
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  out
• 1:55
  on
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  these
• 1:55
  days?
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  Hi,
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  Will.
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  I'm
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  doing
• 1:57
  well,
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  thank
• 1:58
  you.
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  And
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  what
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  am
• 1:59
  I
• 1:59
  geeking
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  out
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  on?
• 2:00
  Well,
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  recently
• 2:01
  I
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  finished
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  watching
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  the
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  first
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  season
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  of
• 2:04
  the
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  show,
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  Dark
• 2:05
  Matter,
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  Apple
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  tv,
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  Jennifer
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  Connelly
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  and
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  Joel
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  Edgerton,
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  I
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  think.
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  Yeah,
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  it's
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  a
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  multiverse
• 2:18
  show,
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  so
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  kind
• 2:19
  of
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  following
• 2:20
  up
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  on
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  theme.
• 2:21
  Last
• 2:22
  time
• 2:22
  I
• 2:22
  was
• 2:22
  talking
• 2:22
  science
• 2:23
  on
• 2:23
  the
• 2:23
  podcast,
• 2:24
  we
• 2:25
  were
• 2:25
  talking
• 2:25
  about
• 2:25
  the
• 2:25
  multiverse.
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  And
• 2:26
  so,
• 2:27
  yeah,
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  it's
• 2:28
  an
• 2:28
  interesting
• 2:29
  show
• 2:29
  about
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  basically,
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  a
• 2:33
  guy
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  gets
• 2:33
  kidnapped
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  by
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  his
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  mirror
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  universe
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  version
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  of
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  himself.
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  He
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  steals
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  his
• 2:39
  life.
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  Right.
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  So
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  their
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  worlds
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  diverged
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  when
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  he
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  decided
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  to
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  marry
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  his
• 2:47
  wife.
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  Or
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  in
• 2:48
  the
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  other
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  universe,
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  he
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  decided,
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  no,
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  I'm
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  going
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  to
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  commit
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  myself
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  to
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  my
• 2:51
  job
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  and
• 2:53
  not
• 2:53
  pursue
• 2:53
  the.
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  Not
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  continue
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  in
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  this
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  relationship.
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  And
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  so
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  the
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  guy
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  who
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  chose
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  career
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  uses.
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  Uses
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  his
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  career,
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  eventually
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  uses
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  his
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  career
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  to
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  build
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  a
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  machine
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  to
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  travel
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  the
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  multiverse
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  and
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  go
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  into
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  the
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  other
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  world
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  and
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  kidnap
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  his
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  alter
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  ego
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  and
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  just
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  take
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  over
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  his
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  life
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  and
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  sends
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  his
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  alter
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  ego
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  back
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  to
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  his
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  home
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  universe.
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  So
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  they
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  basically
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  swap
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  universes,
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  but
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  only
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  one
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  of
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  them
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  consensually
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  so.
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  And
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  then
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  it
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  unravels
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  from
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  there
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  in
• 3:24
  terms
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  of,
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  you
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  know,
• 3:25
  trying
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  to
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  find
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  a
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  way
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  back
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  and
• 3:26
  what
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  are
• 3:26
  the
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  implications
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  of
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  all
• 3:27
  that?
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  And
• 3:28
  yeah,
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  so
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  that,
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  I
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  mean,
• 3:29
  that,
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  you
• 3:29
  know,
• 3:30
  that's
• 3:30
  not
• 3:30
  a
• 3:30
  spoiler.
• 3:30
  That's
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  pretty
• 3:31
  much
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  first.
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  First,
• 3:32
  you
• 3:32
  know,
• 3:32
  few
• 3:32
  minutes
• 3:32
  of
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  first
• 3:33
  episode
• 3:33
  is
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  kind
• 3:33
  of
• 3:34
  setting
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  up
• 3:34
  all
• 3:34
  that
• 3:35
  premise.
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  It's
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  just
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  one
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  season
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  on
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  Apple
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  plus.
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  So
• 3:38
  far,
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  just
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  one
• 3:39
  season.
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  I
• 3:40
  believe
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  there's
• 3:40
  intention
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  to
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  have
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  more,
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  but
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  that's
• 3:42
  all
• 3:42
  there
• 3:42
  is
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  right
• 3:43
  now.
• 3:43
  So
• 3:44
  Freaky
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  Friday.
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  Except
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  you
• 3:45
  just
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  switch
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  multiverses
• 3:47
  of
• 3:47
  yourself.
• 3:49
  Yeah,
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  it's
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  a
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  good
• 3:49
  way
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  to.
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  All
• 3:50
  right.
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  Yeah,
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  there,
• 3:52
  man.
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  It's
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  hard
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  to
• 3:53
  boil
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  down
• 3:54
  just
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  to
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  one
• 3:55
  thing
• 3:55
  I'm
• 3:55
  geeking
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  out
• 3:56
  on.
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  will
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  say
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  I'm
• 3:57
  loving
• 3:57
  severance,
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  which
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  is
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  kind
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  of
• 3:59
  like
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  a
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  swap
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  kind
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  of
• 4:01
  thing
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  that
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  they
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  do
• 4:02
  with
• 4:03
  kind
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  workplace
• 4:04
  regular
• 4:04
  life.
• 4:04
  It's.
• 4:05
  It's
• 4:05
  very
• 4:05
  well
• 4:05
  done.
• 4:06
  It's
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  hottest
• 4:07
  show
• 4:07
  on
• 4:07
  TV
• 4:07
  right
• 4:07
  now,
• 4:08
  and
• 4:08
  love
• 4:08
  it.
• 4:08
  I'm
• 4:09
  loving
• 4:09
  these
• 4:10
  Movie
• 4:10
  trailers
• 4:11
  we
• 4:11
  have
• 4:11
  coming
• 4:11
  out,
• 4:11
  whether
• 4:11
  it's
• 4:12
  Superman
• 4:12
  or
• 4:13
  Fantastic
• 4:13
  Four.
• 4:14
  Super
• 4:15
  excited
• 4:15
  about
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  movies
• 4:16
  we
• 4:16
  have
• 4:17
  coming
• 4:17
  up.
• 4:17
  Comic
• 4:18
  book
• 4:18
  movies
• 4:19
  just
• 4:19
  here
• 4:20
  shortly.
• 4:20
  And
• 4:21
  then
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  will
• 4:22
  say
• 4:22
  that
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  am.
• 4:23
  I'm
• 4:23
  all
• 4:23
  in
• 4:23
  on
• 4:24
  this
• 4:24
  new
• 4:24
  animated
• 4:25
  series
• 4:25
  on
• 4:26
  Disney
• 4:27
  plus
• 4:27
  your
• 4:27
  friendly
• 4:27
  neighborhood
• 4:28
  Spider
• 4:28
  Man.
• 4:28
  I'm
• 4:29
  liking
• 4:29
  this
• 4:30
  new
• 4:30
  animated
• 4:30
  show.
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  like
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  feel,
• 4:32
  like
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  vibe.
• 4:32
  It's
• 4:33
  from
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  MC
• 4:33
  universe,
• 4:34
  kind
• 4:34
  of
• 4:34
  Tom
• 4:35
  Holland
• 4:35
  ish
• 4:36
  kind
• 4:36
  of
• 4:37
  timeline
• 4:38
  early
• 4:39
  in.
• 4:39
  In
• 4:40
  his
• 4:40
  career
• 4:41
  or
• 4:41
  life
• 4:42
  as.
• 4:42
  As
• 4:42
  Spider
• 4:42
  Man.
• 4:43
  But
• 4:43
  it
• 4:43
  has
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  great
• 4:44
  feel
• 4:44
  to.
• 4:44
  It
• 4:44
  feels
• 4:45
  like
• 4:45
  a
• 4:45
  comic
• 4:45
  book
• 4:45
  right
• 4:45
  on.
• 4:46
  Right
• 4:46
  on
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  screen.
• 4:47
  And
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  will
• 4:48
  say
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  this
• 4:49
  is
• 4:49
  one
• 4:49
  of
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  shows
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  I'm
• 4:50
  not
• 4:50
  skipping
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  intro.
• 4:51
  It
• 4:51
  has
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  option
• 4:52
  skip
• 4:53
  intro.
• 4:53
  And
• 4:54
  I'm
• 4:54
  not
• 4:54
  because
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  song
• 4:55
  is
• 4:55
  great,
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  graphics
• 4:56
  animation
• 4:57
  is
• 4:57
  great.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:57
  then
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  final
• 4:58
  image
• 4:59
  is
• 4:59
  like
• 5:00
  a
• 5:00
  comic
• 5:00
  book
• 5:00
  cover
• 5:00
  that's
• 5:01
  going
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  share
• 5:02
  share
• 5:02
  with
• 5:02
  you
• 5:02
  what's
• 5:03
  going
• 5:03
  that
• 5:04
  particular
• 5:05
  episode.
• 5:06
  So
• 5:06
  one
• 5:07
  is
• 5:07
  with
• 5:08
  focus
• 5:08
  on
• 5:08
  Osborne
• 5:09
  and
• 5:09
  like
• 5:09
  his
• 5:09
  faces
• 5:10
  up
• 5:10
  on
• 5:10
  kind
• 5:10
  of
• 5:10
  the
• 5:11
  final
• 5:11
  kind
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  comic
• 5:12
  book
• 5:12
  cover
• 5:12
  leading
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  in
• 5:13
  which
• 5:13
  is,
• 5:13
  you
• 5:14
  know,
• 5:14
  if
• 5:14
  you're
• 5:14
  going
• 5:14
  to
• 5:14
  hit
• 5:14
  me
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  feels
• 5:15
  for
• 5:15
  comic
• 5:15
  books,
• 5:16
  show
• 5:16
  me
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  good
• 5:17
  cover
• 5:17
  and
• 5:17
  then
• 5:17
  let
• 5:17
  that
• 5:18
  cover
• 5:18
  tell
• 5:18
  me
• 5:18
  what's
• 5:18
  going
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  happen
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  episode.
• 5:20
  I'm
• 5:20
  good.
• 5:21
  So
• 5:21
  I'm
• 5:21
  liking.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  don't
• 5:22
  know.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:22
  if
• 5:23
  you're
• 5:23
  watching
• 5:23
  watching
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  animated
• 5:25
  series
• 5:25
  yet
• 5:25
  or
• 5:25
  not.
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  caught
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  first
• 5:27
  two
• 5:27
  episodes
• 5:28
  from
• 5:28
  last
• 5:28
  week
• 5:28
  I'm
• 5:28
  not
• 5:29
  up
• 5:29
  to
• 5:29
  date
• 5:29
  on.
• 5:29
  I
• 5:30
  think
• 5:30
  there
• 5:30
  were
• 5:30
  new
• 5:30
  episodes
• 5:31
  today.
• 5:31
  Is
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  right?
• 5:32
  Yeah,
• 5:32
  they
• 5:32
  dropped
• 5:32
  three
• 5:33
  today
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  got
• 5:34
  through
• 5:34
  one
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  them
• 5:34
  this
• 5:35
  morning.
• 5:35
  So
• 5:35
  there's
• 5:35
  two
• 5:35
  more
• 5:35
  waiting
• 5:36
  for
• 5:36
  me
• 5:36
  later
• 5:37
  on.
• 5:37
  So
• 5:37
  there's
• 5:38
  five
• 5:38
  as
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  recording
• 5:40
  five
• 5:40
  episodes
• 5:41
  out
• 5:41
  there.
• 5:42
  Okay,
• 5:43
  cool.
• 5:43
  Yeah.
• 5:44
  Well,
• 5:44
  again.
• 5:45
  Hey
• 5:46
  geeks.
• 5:46
  Glad
• 5:47
  that
• 5:47
  you're
• 5:47
  here.
• 5:48
  Welcome.
• 5:48
  Today's
• 5:49
  episode.
• 5:49
  Today's
• 5:50
  episode
• 5:51
  is
• 5:51
  one
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  our
• 5:52
  yearly
• 5:52
  themes
• 5:53
  episode
• 5:54
  Finding
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  Good
• 5:56
  where
• 5:56
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• 5:56
  pit
• 5:57
  one
• 5:57
  IP
• 5:58
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• 5:58
  fandom
• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 6:00
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
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• 6:02
  And
• 6:02
  then
• 6:02
  it's
• 6:03
  our
• 6:03
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:05
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• 6:05
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
  good
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
  And
• 6:11
  Andy,
• 6:12
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• 6:12
  don't
• 6:12
  know
• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:13
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
  news
• 6:14
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• 6:15
  To
• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:16
  but
• 6:16
  there's
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  lot
• 6:17
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• 6:17
  division
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  polarization
• 6:19
  in
• 6:20
  our
• 6:20
  world
• 6:20
  right
• 6:20
  now
• 6:21
  and
• 6:22
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
  fandoms
• 6:26
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• 6:27
  you
• 6:27
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:29
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• 6:29
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• 6:29
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:31
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• 6:31
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:34
  conversations
• 6:34
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• 6:34
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• 6:34
  things,
• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:40
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• 6:40
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• 6:40
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:45
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• 6:45
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• 6:45
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:47
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• 6:47
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• 6:48
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• 6:48
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• 6:48
  And
• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:51
  days
• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:53
  But
• 6:53
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
  And
• 6:55
  so,
• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:56
  have
• 6:56
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• 6:56
  episodes
• 6:56
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• 6:57
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• 6:57
  Starfleet
• 6:58
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• 6:58
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• 6:59
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• 7:00
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• 7:01
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• 7:02
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• 7:02
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• 7:03
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  Dwarves,
• 7:03
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• 7:04
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• 7:04
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• 7:05
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• 7:05
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:07
  Chan.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:07
  all
• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
  know
• 7:09
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• 7:09
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• 7:09
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• 7:09
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• 7:10
  But
• 7:10
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• 7:11
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• 7:11
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:13
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• 7:14
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• 7:14
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• 7:14
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• 7:15
  We're
• 7:16
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• 7:16
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• 7:17
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• 7:18
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• 7:18
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• 7:18
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
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• 7:20
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• 7:20
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• 7:20
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
  IP
• 7:21
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:23
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• 7:23
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• 7:23
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• 7:24
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
  So
• 7:25
  today
• 7:26
  is
• 7:26
  magic
• 7:27
  versus
• 7:29
  science.
• 7:29
  Of
• 7:30
  course,
• 7:30
  magic.
• 7:31
  All
• 7:31
  kinds
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  magical
• 7:32
  realms
• 7:32
  are
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  our
• 7:33
  fandoms.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  course,
• 7:34
  science
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  tech
• 7:35
  and
• 7:35
  science
• 7:36
  fiction
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  speculative
• 7:37
  fiction
• 7:37
  is
• 7:37
  all
• 7:38
  part
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  our
• 7:39
  fandoms
• 7:39
  who
• 7:39
  like
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  play
• 7:40
  with
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  because
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  big
• 7:41
  part
• 7:41
  of
• 7:41
  our
• 7:42
  lives.
• 7:42
  And
• 7:43
  so
• 7:43
  if
• 7:43
  we
• 7:43
  do
• 7:43
  magic
• 7:44
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• 7:45
  science,
• 7:45
  oh,
• 7:46
  man,
• 7:47
  I
• 7:47
  hope
• 7:47
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• 7:47
  one
• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:48
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• 7:48
  survive.
• 7:48
  Andy.
• 7:49
  It
• 7:49
  may
• 7:49
  be
• 7:49
  that,
• 7:50
  like,
• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:51
  be
• 7:51
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• 7:51
  the
• 7:51
  death
• 7:51
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• 7:52
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• 7:52
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• 7:52
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• 7:52
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• 7:53
  on
• 7:53
  out,
• 7:53
  we
• 7:54
  either
• 7:54
  destroy
• 7:54
  magic
• 7:55
  or
• 7:55
  destroy
• 7:56
  science.
• 7:58
  I'm
• 7:58
  nervous.
• 7:59
  I'm
• 8:00
  nervous.
• 8:02
  So.
• 8:03
  So
• 8:03
  here's
• 8:03
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• 8:03
  Here's
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  hot
• 8:04
  take
• 8:04
  that'll
• 8:05
  get
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  ball
• 8:05
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• 8:06
  If
• 8:06
  we
• 8:06
  destroyed
• 8:07
  magic,
• 8:07
  would
• 8:07
  anyone
• 8:08
  notice?
• 8:08
  Oh,
• 8:09
  man,
• 8:09
  that's
• 8:10
  right.
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  guess
• 8:11
  there'd
• 8:11
  be
• 8:11
  some
• 8:12
  shows
• 8:12
  in
• 8:12
  Vegas
• 8:13
  that
• 8:14
  would.
• 8:15
  Some
• 8:15
  unemployed
• 8:16
  people
• 8:16
  and.
• 8:18
  But
• 8:18
  that's
• 8:18
  just
• 8:18
  applied
• 8:19
  science,
• 8:19
  right?
• 8:20
  We
• 8:20
  call
• 8:20
  it
• 8:20
  magic,
• 8:21
  but
• 8:21
  it's
• 8:21
  really,
• 8:21
  you
• 8:21
  know,
• 8:21
  applied
• 8:22
  psychology
• 8:22
  and.
• 8:23
  That's
• 8:23
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• 8:23
  That's
• 8:24
  right.
• 8:24
  Yeah.
• 8:25
  Okay,
• 8:25
  that's
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  good
• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:26
  Coming
• 8:26
  out.
• 8:26
  Firing
• 8:27
  Andy.
• 8:27
  Coming
• 8:27
  out.
• 8:28
  Shots
• 8:28
  fired.
• 8:28
  Already
• 8:29
  early,
• 8:30
  man.
• 8:30
  Before
• 8:31
  we
• 8:31
  get
• 8:31
  too
• 8:31
  far
• 8:31
  into
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  episode,
• 8:32
  we
• 8:32
  just
• 8:33
  want
• 8:34
  to
• 8:34
  help,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  know,
• 8:35
  invite
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  consider
• 8:36
  rating
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  reviewing
• 8:37
  the
• 8:38
  show
• 8:38
  on
• 8:38
  whatever
• 8:38
  device
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  are
• 8:40
  on.
• 8:40
  It
• 8:40
  really
• 8:40
  helps
• 8:40
  us
• 8:40
  get
• 8:41
  out
• 8:41
  there
• 8:41
  in
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  world
• 8:41
  and
• 8:42
  want
• 8:42
  to
• 8:42
  thank
• 8:42
  our
• 8:42
  supporters.
• 8:43
  We
• 8:43
  can't
• 8:44
  do
• 8:44
  this
• 8:45
  podcast
• 8:46
  or
• 8:46
  what
• 8:46
  we
• 8:47
  do
• 8:47
  with
• 8:47
  cismic
• 8:47
  Ecology
• 8:48
  without
• 8:48
  you.
• 8:48
  So
• 8:49
  today,
• 8:49
  we
• 8:49
  specifically
• 8:50
  want
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  thank
• 8:51
  Jonathan
• 8:51
  Augustine.
• 8:52
  Jonathan,
• 8:53
  thank
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  so
• 8:53
  much
• 8:53
  for
• 8:53
  your
• 8:54
  support,
• 8:54
  buddy.
• 8:54
  We
• 8:55
  really
• 8:55
  appreciate
• 8:55
  it.
• 8:56
  And
• 8:57
  we
• 8:57
  want
• 8:58
  to
• 8:58
  invite
• 8:59
  our
• 9:00
  listeners
• 9:00
  that
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  can
• 9:02
  support
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  show
• 9:02
  as
• 9:03
  little
• 9:03
  as
• 9:03
  $3
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  month.
• 9:04
  And
• 9:05
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• 9:05
  little
• 9:05
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• 9:05
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• 9:05
  me
• 9:06
  someone
• 9:06
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• 9:07
  with
• 9:07
  me
• 9:07
  that
• 9:08
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• 9:08
  have
• 9:08
  over
• 9:09
  20,000
• 9:10
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• 9:12
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• 9:13
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• 9:13
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• 9:13
  And
• 9:14
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• 9:14
  all
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  subscribers
• 9:15
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• 9:15
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• 9:15
  your
• 9:15
  listeners,
• 9:16
  if
• 9:16
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• 9:16
  100
• 9:16
  of
• 9:17
  you,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:19
  know,
• 9:19
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• 9:20
  up,
• 9:20
  for
• 9:20
  $3
• 9:20
  a
• 9:21
  month,
• 9:21
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• 9:21
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• 9:21
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• 9:21
  a
• 9:21
  table
• 9:22
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• 9:22
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• 9:22
  comic
• 9:22
  Con
• 9:23
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• 9:23
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• 9:23
  out
• 9:24
  into
• 9:24
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• 9:24
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• 9:24
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• 9:24
  even
• 9:24
  travel
• 9:25
  the
• 9:25
  country
• 9:25
  to
• 9:26
  certain
• 9:26
  comic
• 9:27
  cons
• 9:27
  and
• 9:28
  let
• 9:28
  people
• 9:28
  know
• 9:28
  who
• 9:28
  we
• 9:28
  are.
• 9:29
  So
• 9:29
  help
• 9:29
  support
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
  show
• 9:31
  and
• 9:31
  thanks
• 9:31
  for
• 9:32
  everything
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  you
• 9:34
  do
• 9:34
  with
• 9:34
  us.
• 9:35
  And
• 9:35
  yeah,
• 9:36
  we're
• 9:36
  glad
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  geek
• 9:36
  out
• 9:37
  with
• 9:37
  you.
• 9:37
  Okay,
• 9:38
  and
• 9:39
  now
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  episode.
• 9:40
  You
• 9:40
  heard
• 9:40
  those
• 9:40
  shots
• 9:41
  fired.
• 9:43
  No
• 9:43
  specific
• 9:44
  ip,
• 9:45
  just
• 9:45
  magic
• 9:46
  versus
• 9:46
  science.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:47
  so,
• 9:47
  drumroll.
• 9:48
  And
• 9:49
  what
• 9:50
  did
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  choose?
• 9:51
  And
• 9:52
  then
• 9:52
  is
• 9:52
  there
• 9:53
  a
• 9:53
  particular
• 9:53
  IP
• 9:54
  attached
• 9:55
  to
• 9:57
  magic
• 9:57
  or
• 9:57
  science
• 9:58
  that
• 9:59
  you
• 10:00
  want
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  lift
• 10:01
  up
• 10:01
  as
• 10:01
  an
• 10:01
  example
• 10:02
  of
• 10:02
  why
• 10:03
  either
• 10:04
  nobody
• 10:04
  would
• 10:04
  notice
• 10:04
  about
• 10:05
  magic
• 10:05
  or
• 10:06
  how
• 10:06
  science
• 10:06
  applies
• 10:07
  to
• 10:07
  our
• 10:07
  daily
• 10:07
  lives?
• 10:08
  Andy,
• 10:08
  go
• 10:08
  for
• 10:08
  it.
• 10:09
  Sure.
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  don't
• 10:11
  think
• 10:12
  it
• 10:12
  will
• 10:12
  come
• 10:12
  as
• 10:12
  a
• 10:12
  surprise
• 10:13
  after
• 10:13
  that
• 10:13
  introduction
• 10:14
  that
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  come
• 10:15
  down
• 10:16
  on
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  side
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  science.
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  like
• 10:17
  my
• 10:18
  fiction
• 10:18
  with
• 10:18
  science
• 10:19
  in
• 10:19
  it.
• 10:20
  There
• 10:20
  are
• 10:20
  certainly
• 10:20
  plenty
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  stories
• 10:21
  with
• 10:21
  magic
• 10:22
  that
• 10:22
  I
• 10:22
  have
• 10:22
  enjoyed
• 10:23
  and
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  have
• 10:24
  been
• 10:24
  a
• 10:24
  fan
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  stage
• 10:26
  magic.
• 10:28
  We've
• 10:28
  got
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  cool
• 10:29
  venue
• 10:29
  here
• 10:29
  in
• 10:29
  Pittsburgh
• 10:30
  that's
• 10:30
  just
• 10:31
  for
• 10:31
  stage
• 10:31
  magic.
• 10:32
  I've
• 10:32
  been
• 10:32
  several
• 10:33
  times
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  had
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  great
• 10:34
  time
• 10:35
  every
• 10:35
  time.
• 10:37
  Some
• 10:37
  super
• 10:37
  talented
• 10:38
  folks
• 10:38
  do
• 10:38
  that
• 10:38
  kind
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  stuff,
• 10:39
  and
• 10:40
  that's
• 10:40
  not
• 10:40
  what
• 10:40
  I'm
• 10:40
  talking
• 10:41
  about.
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  have
• 10:41
  a
• 10:42
  lot
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  respect
• 10:42
  for
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  work
• 10:43
  that
• 10:43
  goes
• 10:44
  into
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  kind
• 10:44
  of
• 10:45
  entertainment.
• 10:46
  Don't
• 10:46
  buy
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  good
• 10:46
  in
• 10:46
  it
• 10:47
  yet.
• 10:47
  Don't
• 10:47
  buy
• 10:47
  the
• 10:47
  good
• 10:47
  in
• 10:47
  it
• 10:47
  yet.
• 10:48
  We
• 10:48
  have
• 10:48
  a
• 10:49
  battle
• 10:49
  first.
• 10:49
  There
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  go.
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  don't
• 10:51
  know
• 10:51
  how
• 10:51
  this
• 10:51
  works.
• 10:51
  I
• 10:52
  know
• 10:52
  we're
• 10:52
  too
• 10:53
  polite.
• 10:53
  It
• 10:53
  says
• 10:53
  Mike
• 10:53
  ecology
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  throw
• 10:55
  too
• 10:55
  much
• 10:55
  shade
• 10:56
  at
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  beginning.
• 10:58
  But
• 10:58
  yeah,
• 10:59
  so
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  would
• 10:59
  come
• 11:00
  down
• 11:00
  on
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  side
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  science.
• 11:01
  And
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  think
• 11:01
  if
• 11:01
  we're
• 11:02
  looking
• 11:02
  for
• 11:02
  somewhere
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  have
• 11:03
  that
• 11:03
  conversation,
• 11:04
  to
• 11:05
  me,
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  mean,
• 11:06
  it's
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  little
• 11:06
  bit
• 11:07
  obvious,
• 11:07
  but
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  me,
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  place
• 11:08
  where
• 11:09
  those
• 11:09
  things
• 11:09
  kind
• 11:09
  of
• 11:10
  hit
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  road,
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  rubber
• 11:11
  hits
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  road
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  most
• 11:12
  is
• 11:12
  in
• 11:12
  superhero
• 11:13
  comics
• 11:14
  because
• 11:14
  you've
• 11:14
  got
• 11:14
  all
• 11:15
  these
• 11:15
  different
• 11:15
  characters
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  have
• 11:16
  come
• 11:17
  from
• 11:17
  different
• 11:18
  backgrounds
• 11:19
  and
• 11:19
  different
• 11:19
  origins
• 11:20
  that
• 11:20
  then
• 11:21
  have
• 11:21
  to
• 11:22
  coexist
• 11:22
  in
• 11:22
  this.
• 11:23
  In
• 11:23
  a.
• 11:23
  In
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  same
• 11:24
  universe.
• 11:25
  And
• 11:25
  so
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  get
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  lot
• 11:26
  of
• 11:27
  those,
• 11:27
  you
• 11:27
  know,
• 11:27
  magical
• 11:28
  characters
• 11:28
  bumping
• 11:28
  up
• 11:29
  against
• 11:29
  science
• 11:29
  characters
• 11:29
  and
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  egos
• 11:30
  of,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  know.
• 11:31
  Well,
• 11:31
  isn't.
• 11:32
  Isn't
• 11:32
  magic
• 11:33
  just
• 11:33
  science?
• 11:33
  We
• 11:33
  haven't,
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  know,
• 11:34
  figured
• 11:34
  out
• 11:34
  yet
• 11:34
  or,
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  know,
• 11:36
  all
• 11:36
  that
• 11:36
  kind
• 11:36
  of
• 11:36
  stuff.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:38
  so,
• 11:38
  you
• 11:38
  know,
• 11:38
  Tony
• 11:39
  Stark
• 11:40
  being
• 11:40
  sniffy
• 11:40
  towards
• 11:41
  Dr.
• 11:41
  Strange
• 11:42
  and
• 11:42
  Mr.
• 11:43
  Fantastic
• 11:43
  saying
• 11:43
  that
• 11:44
  he
• 11:44
  doesn't
• 11:44
  believe
• 11:44
  in
• 11:44
  vampires
• 11:45
  even
• 11:45
  though
• 11:45
  he's
• 11:45
  met
• 11:46
  Blade,
• 11:46
  which
• 11:47
  was
• 11:47
  an
• 11:47
  interesting
• 11:47
  to
• 11:48
  take
• 11:48
  in
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  most
• 11:49
  recent
• 11:49
  blood
• 11:49
  hunt
• 11:50
  event.
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  don't
• 11:51
  know
• 11:51
  if
• 11:51
  you
• 11:51
  read
• 11:51
  any
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  that.
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  did
• 11:53
  Fantastic
• 11:53
  four
• 11:53
  times.
• 11:54
  Yeah.
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  was
• 11:54
  just
• 11:54
  like,
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  don't.
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  mean,
• 11:55
  you
• 11:56
  know,
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  love
• 11:57
  Ryan
• 11:57
  North,
• 11:57
  I
• 11:58
  love
• 11:59
  his
• 11:59
  Fantastic
• 11:59
  Four.
• 12:00
  I
• 12:01
  like
• 12:01
  Reed
• 12:01
  Richards,
• 12:01
  but,
• 12:01
  man,
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  did
• 12:02
  not
• 12:02
  understand
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  hairs
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  were
• 12:04
  being
• 12:04
  split
• 12:04
  there.
• 12:07
  Yeah.
• 12:08
  So,
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  know,
• 12:08
  that
• 12:09
  kind
• 12:09
  of
• 12:09
  thing
• 12:09
  comes
• 12:10
  up
• 12:10
  a
• 12:10
  lot.
• 12:10
  I
• 12:10
  mean,
• 12:11
  maybe
• 12:11
  even
• 12:11
  most
• 12:12
  famously,
• 12:13
  right.
• 12:13
  Superman,
• 12:14
  you
• 12:14
  know,
• 12:14
  Superman,
• 12:15
  his
• 12:15
  only
• 12:16
  weakness
• 12:16
  is
• 12:16
  magic
• 12:17
  or,
• 12:17
  you
• 12:17
  know,
• 12:17
  one
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  his
• 12:18
  weaknesses.
• 12:19
  His
• 12:19
  other
• 12:19
  weaknesses,
• 12:20
  famously
• 12:20
  kryptonite.
• 12:21
  But,
• 12:22
  you
• 12:22
  know,
• 12:22
  they've
• 12:22
  also
• 12:23
  really
• 12:23
  played
• 12:24
  up
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  whole
• 12:24
  thing
• 12:24
  that
• 12:25
  magic
• 12:25
  is
• 12:26
  another
• 12:26
  weakness
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  his.
• 12:27
  To
• 12:27
  give
• 12:28
  him
• 12:28
  something.
• 12:28
  Right.
• 12:29
  To
• 12:29
  give
• 12:29
  Captain
• 12:29
  Marvel,
• 12:31
  AKA
• 12:31
  Shazam,
• 12:32
  something
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  do
• 12:33
  when
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  two
• 12:33
  of
• 12:34
  them
• 12:34
  are
• 12:34
  standing
• 12:34
  next
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  each
• 12:35
  other,
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  guess.
• 12:37
  So
• 12:38
  that,
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  me,
• 12:38
  seems
• 12:39
  like
• 12:39
  an
• 12:39
  obvious
• 12:39
  place
• 12:39
  if
• 12:39
  we
• 12:40
  want
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  have
• 12:40
  a
• 12:40
  more
• 12:41
  concrete
• 12:41
  conversation.
• 12:42
  Yeah.
• 12:43
  Of
• 12:43
  where
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  two
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  very
• 12:45
  prominent
• 12:45
  in
• 12:46
  equal
• 12:46
  measure.
• 12:48
  Yeah.
• 12:48
  I.
• 12:49
  Yeah.
• 12:51
  So
• 12:51
  if
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  were
• 12:51
  to,
• 12:52
  as
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  scientist,
• 12:52
  share
• 12:53
  with
• 12:53
  us,
• 12:54
  again,
• 12:54
  there
• 12:55
  might
• 12:55
  be
• 12:55
  some
• 12:55
  first
• 12:55
  listeners
• 12:56
  out
• 12:56
  there
• 12:56
  who
• 12:56
  do,
• 12:57
  what
• 12:57
  kind
• 12:57
  of
• 12:58
  science
• 12:58
  do
• 12:58
  you
• 12:58
  do?
• 12:59
  And
• 12:59
  then
• 12:59
  if
• 13:00
  someone,
• 13:00
  like
• 13:00
  you're
• 13:00
  in
• 13:01
  an
• 13:01
  elevator
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  only
• 13:01
  have
• 13:02
  like
• 13:02
  10
• 13:02
  seconds
• 13:02
  with
• 13:02
  them,
• 13:03
  20
• 13:03
  seconds
• 13:03
  with
• 13:03
  them,
• 13:03
  they're
• 13:04
  like,
• 13:04
  oh,
• 13:05
  define
• 13:05
  science.
• 13:06
  What
• 13:06
  is
• 13:06
  science?
• 13:08
  How
• 13:08
  would
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  kind
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  capture
• 13:09
  that,
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  define
• 13:10
  that
• 13:10
  term,
• 13:10
  just
• 13:11
  to
• 13:11
  kind
• 13:11
  of
• 13:11
  know
• 13:11
  where.
• 13:11
  Where
• 13:12
  we're
• 13:12
  at?
• 13:12
  Sure.
• 13:13
  So
• 13:14
  in
• 13:14
  terms
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  science
• 13:15
  that
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  do,
• 13:15
  my
• 13:16
  training
• 13:16
  is
• 13:17
  in
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  biology
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  infectious
• 13:19
  diseases.
• 13:21
  And
• 13:22
  for
• 13:22
  the
• 13:23
  past
• 13:23
  15
• 13:24
  years
• 13:24
  or
• 13:24
  so,
• 13:24
  I've
• 13:25
  worked
• 13:25
  for
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  software
• 13:26
  company
• 13:27
  that
• 13:27
  provides
• 13:27
  software
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  public
• 13:28
  health
• 13:28
  departments,
• 13:29
  helping
• 13:30
  them
• 13:30
  to
• 13:31
  analyze
• 13:33
  electronic
• 13:33
  data
• 13:34
  from
• 13:34
  healthcare
• 13:35
  settings,
• 13:36
  primarily
• 13:36
  emergency
• 13:37
  departments,
• 13:37
  hospitals,
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  identify
• 13:39
  patterns
• 13:39
  that
• 13:40
  are
• 13:40
  relevant
• 13:40
  to
• 13:41
  public
• 13:41
  health
• 13:41
  departments.
• 13:42
  So
• 13:42
  it
• 13:42
  requires
• 13:43
  some
• 13:43
  understanding
• 13:43
  of
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  different
• 13:44
  things
• 13:45
  that
• 13:45
  make
• 13:45
  people
• 13:45
  sick
• 13:45
  and
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  different
• 13:46
  reasons
• 13:46
  why
• 13:46
  people
• 13:47
  go
• 13:47
  and
• 13:47
  seek
• 13:47
  healthcare,
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  an
• 13:48
  understanding
• 13:49
  of
• 13:50
  computer
• 13:50
  programming
• 13:51
  and
• 13:51
  of
• 13:52
  statistical
• 13:52
  analysis
• 13:53
  and
• 13:53
  so
• 13:53
  forth,
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  kind
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  put
• 13:54
  that
• 13:54
  all
• 13:54
  together
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  help
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  folks
• 13:56
  who
• 13:56
  work
• 13:57
  on
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  front
• 13:57
  lines
• 13:57
  of
• 13:58
  public
• 13:58
  health,
• 13:58
  who
• 13:59
  work
• 13:59
  for
• 13:59
  your
• 13:59
  state,
• 14:00
  your
• 14:00
  county,
• 14:01
  your
• 14:01
  city,
• 14:02
  or
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  federal
• 14:03
  government
• 14:03
  to
• 14:04
  do
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  actual
• 14:06
  kind
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  work
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  public
• 14:07
  health,
• 14:07
  giving
• 14:08
  them
• 14:08
  tools
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  help
• 14:08
  them
• 14:09
  understand
• 14:09
  better
• 14:09
  what's
• 14:10
  going
• 14:10
  on
• 14:10
  in
• 14:10
  their
• 14:10
  communities.
• 14:11
  Oh,
• 14:12
  man.
• 14:12
  You're.
• 14:13
  With
• 14:13
  this
• 14:14
  day
• 14:14
  and
• 14:14
  age,
• 14:14
  how.
• 14:15
  How
• 14:15
  is
• 14:15
  your
• 14:15
  job
• 14:16
  secure?
• 14:16
  You're
• 14:16
  doing
• 14:16
  okay
• 14:18
  with
• 14:19
  what
• 14:19
  I'm
• 14:19
  hearing
• 14:19
  out
• 14:19
  there?
• 14:20
  Yeah,
• 14:21
  yeah,
• 14:21
  yeah.
• 14:22
  You
• 14:22
  know,
• 14:22
  our.
• 14:24
  We.
• 14:24
  We
• 14:24
  are
• 14:24
  paid
• 14:25
  via
• 14:25
  contracts
• 14:26
  with
• 14:26
  primarily
• 14:27
  state
• 14:27
  health
• 14:28
  departments.
• 14:29
  They
• 14:29
  get
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  lot
• 14:29
  of
• 14:30
  their
• 14:30
  funding
• 14:30
  through
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  cdc.
• 14:32
  Okay.
• 14:32
  A
• 14:33
  lot
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  funding
• 14:34
  has
• 14:34
  been,
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  know,
• 14:35
  dedicated
• 14:36
  or
• 14:36
  already
• 14:37
  set
• 14:37
  aside
• 14:37
  for
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  next
• 14:38
  couple
• 14:38
  years.
• 14:39
  So
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  kind
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  short
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  medium
• 14:40
  term
• 14:41
  should
• 14:41
  be
• 14:41
  okay.
• 14:43
  In
• 14:43
  a
• 14:43
  normal
• 14:44
  situation,
• 14:45
  if
• 14:45
  somebody
• 14:46
  decides
• 14:46
  to
• 14:47
  just
• 14:47
  turn
• 14:47
  off
• 14:47
  the
• 14:48
  federal
• 14:48
  funding
• 14:48
  in
• 14:48
  ways
• 14:49
  that
• 14:49
  are
• 14:49
  unprecedented,
• 14:50
  then
• 14:51
  we
• 14:51
  might
• 14:51
  have
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  whole
• 14:52
  other
• 14:52
  kind
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  situation.
• 14:52
  But
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  Mean,
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  is
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  reality
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  public
• 14:55
  health
• 14:55
  in
• 14:55
  this
• 14:55
  country.
• 14:55
  If
• 14:56
  you
• 14:56
  don't
• 14:56
  know,
• 14:57
  some
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  budget
• 14:57
  comes
• 14:58
  from
• 14:58
  your
• 14:58
  state
• 14:58
  taxes,
• 14:59
  but
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  lot
• 14:59
  of
• 14:59
  it
• 14:59
  comes
• 14:59
  from
• 15:00
  grants
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  CDC
• 15:01
  awards
• 15:01
  to
• 15:02
  state
• 15:02
  and
• 15:02
  county
• 15:03
  health
• 15:03
  departments.
• 15:05
  Yes,
• 15:06
  yes.
• 15:06
  Well,
• 15:07
  that's
• 15:07
  going
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  make
• 15:07
  it
• 15:08
  hard
• 15:08
  for
• 15:08
  me
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  not
• 15:08
  choose
• 15:09
  science
• 15:09
  right
• 15:09
  now.
• 15:10
  But
• 15:10
  we
• 15:10
  have
• 15:10
  to
• 15:10
  have
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  versus.
• 15:12
  So,
• 15:12
  yeah,
• 15:12
  someone
• 15:13
  says,
• 15:13
  oh,
• 15:13
  then
• 15:13
  what
• 15:13
  is
• 15:13
  science?
• 15:14
  Science.
• 15:14
  Define
• 15:14
  science.
• 15:15
  How
• 15:15
  would
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  like,
• 15:16
  in
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  phrase
• 15:16
  or
• 15:16
  two,
• 15:17
  how
• 15:17
  would
• 15:18
  you
• 15:18
  define
• 15:19
  that
• 15:19
  term?
• 15:21
  Yeah,
• 15:21
  so
• 15:21
  I
• 15:22
  would
• 15:22
  say
• 15:23
  that
• 15:23
  science
• 15:24
  is
• 15:24
  primarily
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  method.
• 15:26
  It's
• 15:26
  about
• 15:26
  how
• 15:27
  we
• 15:27
  study
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  physical
• 15:30
  world.
• 15:30
  It's
• 15:30
  a
• 15:30
  systematic
• 15:31
  study
• 15:31
  of
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  physical
• 15:31
  world
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  understand
• 15:33
  causes
• 15:34
  and
• 15:34
  effects
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  are
• 15:36
  consistent
• 15:37
  over
• 15:37
  time.
• 15:38
  So
• 15:39
  things
• 15:39
  that
• 15:39
  happen
• 15:40
  once
• 15:40
  are
• 15:40
  hard
• 15:40
  to
• 15:40
  study
• 15:41
  with
• 15:41
  science,
• 15:41
  but
• 15:42
  things
• 15:42
  that
• 15:42
  happen
• 15:43
  many
• 15:43
  times
• 15:44
  or
• 15:45
  patterns
• 15:46
  that
• 15:46
  occur
• 15:46
  in
• 15:46
  many
• 15:46
  different
• 15:46
  settings
• 15:47
  that
• 15:47
  we
• 15:47
  can
• 15:47
  repeatedly
• 15:48
  demonstrate,
• 15:49
  those
• 15:50
  are
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  kinds
• 15:50
  of
• 15:50
  things
• 15:50
  that
• 15:50
  we
• 15:51
  can
• 15:51
  study
• 15:52
  with
• 15:52
  science
• 15:53
  and
• 15:53
  understand
• 15:54
  how,
• 15:54
  you
• 15:55
  know,
• 15:55
  how
• 15:55
  could
• 15:56
  different
• 15:56
  things
• 15:56
  cause.
• 15:57
  What
• 15:57
  are
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  different
• 15:57
  causes
• 15:58
  that
• 15:58
  are
• 15:58
  possible
• 15:58
  in
• 15:58
  the
• 15:58
  world
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  what
• 15:59
  are
• 15:59
  the
• 15:59
  different
• 15:59
  effects
• 16:00
  that
• 16:00
  those
• 16:00
  causes
• 16:00
  have?
• 16:01
  Yeah,
• 16:02
  yeah.
• 16:03
  So
• 16:03
  it's
• 16:03
  like
• 16:03
  this
• 16:04
  repetitive
• 16:06
  research
• 16:07
  and
• 16:07
  experiments
• 16:08
  to
• 16:09
  try
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  figure
• 16:09
  out
• 16:10
  patterns
• 16:10
  or
• 16:10
  repeatable
• 16:11
  patterns
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  help
• 16:12
  us
• 16:13
  figure
• 16:13
  out
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  reality
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  physical
• 16:14
  world
• 16:15
  that's
• 16:15
  around
• 16:15
  us.
• 16:15
  So,
• 16:15
  yeah,
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  random
• 16:16
  things
• 16:17
  that
• 16:17
  happen.
• 16:17
  But
• 16:18
  if
• 16:18
  that
• 16:18
  happens
• 16:19
  more
• 16:19
  than
• 16:19
  once,
• 16:20
  you're
• 16:20
  trying
• 16:20
  to.
• 16:21
  Scientists
• 16:21
  aren't
• 16:22
  just
• 16:22
  trying
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  prove
• 16:22
  something
• 16:23
  that
• 16:23
  sometimes
• 16:23
  they're
• 16:23
  trying
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  prove
• 16:24
  something
• 16:25
  doesn't
• 16:26
  happen
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  way
• 16:26
  it
• 16:26
  is.
• 16:26
  So
• 16:27
  they,
• 16:27
  they're
• 16:27
  their
• 16:27
  own
• 16:28
  kind
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  like,
• 16:30
  you
• 16:30
  know,
• 16:31
  what's
• 16:32
  the
• 16:32
  word
• 16:32
  I'm
• 16:32
  looking
• 16:32
  for?
• 16:33
  It's
• 16:33
  kind
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  like
• 16:34
  sometimes
• 16:35
  they're
• 16:35
  doing
• 16:35
  research
• 16:36
  to
• 16:36
  disprove
• 16:36
  themselves
• 16:37
  and
• 16:37
  prove
• 16:37
  themselves,
• 16:37
  to
• 16:37
  see
• 16:38
  what
• 16:38
  kind
• 16:38
  of
• 16:38
  research
• 16:38
  is
• 16:38
  out
• 16:39
  there
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  help
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  world.
• 16:41
  So
• 16:41
  I
• 16:42
  like
• 16:42
  it
• 16:42
  that
• 16:42
  it's
• 16:43
  not
• 16:43
  just
• 16:43
  in
• 16:43
  a
• 16:44
  lab,
• 16:44
  but
• 16:44
  you're
• 16:44
  doing
• 16:44
  all
• 16:44
  these
• 16:45
  kinds
• 16:45
  of
• 16:45
  things.
• 16:47
  I
• 16:48
  guess
• 16:48
  your
• 16:48
  devil's
• 16:48
  at
• 16:49
  your
• 16:49
  own
• 16:49
  devil's
• 16:49
  advocate
• 16:50
  at
• 16:50
  times
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  try
• 16:50
  to
• 16:51
  make
• 16:51
  sure
• 16:51
  you
• 16:51
  really
• 16:51
  have
• 16:51
  it
• 16:52
  right
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  do
• 16:52
  these
• 16:53
  repetitive
• 16:54
  research
• 16:54
  projects
• 16:55
  or
• 16:56
  experiments
• 16:56
  to
• 16:56
  make
• 16:57
  sure
• 16:58
  what
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  see
• 16:58
  is
• 16:59
  really
• 16:59
  happening
• 16:59
  in
• 16:59
  front
• 16:59
  of
• 17:00
  you.
• 17:00
  Yeah.
• 17:01
  If
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  want
• 17:01
  to
• 17:02
  be
• 17:02
  successful
• 17:03
  in
• 17:03
  science,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:04
  do
• 17:04
  need
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  be
• 17:04
  very
• 17:05
  critical
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  your
• 17:06
  own
• 17:06
  results.
• 17:06
  Or
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  shouldn't
• 17:06
  believe
• 17:07
  your
• 17:07
  own
• 17:07
  hype.
• 17:08
  You
• 17:08
  should,
• 17:09
  you
• 17:09
  know,
• 17:10
  because
• 17:10
  you,
• 17:11
  you
• 17:11
  know,
• 17:11
  it's
• 17:11
  ultimately
• 17:12
  a,
• 17:12
  you
• 17:13
  know,
• 17:13
  it's
• 17:13
  a
• 17:13
  social
• 17:13
  endeavor.
• 17:14
  It's
• 17:14
  a,
• 17:14
  it's
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  community
• 17:15
  endeavor.
• 17:16
  Right.
• 17:16
  It
• 17:16
  is
• 17:17
  not.
• 17:18
  It's
• 17:18
  about
• 17:19
  kind
• 17:19
  of
• 17:19
  coming
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  shared
• 17:20
  understanding.
• 17:20
  What
• 17:20
  are
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  things
• 17:21
  that
• 17:21
  we
• 17:21
  can
• 17:21
  all
• 17:21
  agree
• 17:21
  on
• 17:22
  through
• 17:22
  applying
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  same
• 17:23
  methods
• 17:24
  to
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  same
• 17:24
  shared
• 17:25
  external
• 17:26
  reality.
• 17:27
  Right.
• 17:27
  So
• 17:27
  things
• 17:28
  that
• 17:28
  are
• 17:28
  internal
• 17:28
  to
• 17:29
  myself
• 17:29
  are
• 17:30
  hard
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  study
• 17:30
  with
• 17:30
  science
• 17:31
  because
• 17:32
  they're
• 17:33
  part
• 17:33
  of
• 17:33
  my
• 17:33
  own,
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  know,
• 17:34
  subjective
• 17:35
  reality
• 17:35
  that
• 17:35
  other
• 17:36
  people
• 17:36
  can't
• 17:36
  interrogate
• 17:37
  in
• 17:37
  the
• 17:37
  same
• 17:37
  way.
• 17:37
  So
• 17:38
  it's
• 17:38
  about
• 17:38
  coming
• 17:38
  together
• 17:39
  and
• 17:39
  working
• 17:40
  together
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  understand
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  shared
• 17:42
  external
• 17:42
  reality,
• 17:42
  objective
• 17:43
  reality,
• 17:43
  whatever
• 17:43
  kind
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  words
• 17:44
  you
• 17:44
  want
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  use
• 17:45
  that
• 17:45
  we
• 17:45
  all
• 17:45
  have
• 17:46
  access
• 17:46
  to
• 17:47
  together.
• 17:50
  So
• 17:50
  that
• 17:50
  does
• 17:50
  make
• 17:51
  it
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  communal
• 17:53
  project.
• 17:53
  And
• 17:54
  that
• 17:54
  means
• 17:54
  that
• 17:56
  if
• 17:57
  I'm
• 17:57
  throwing
• 17:57
  a
• 17:57
  lot
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  ideas
• 17:58
  out
• 17:58
  there
• 17:58
  that
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  haven't
• 17:59
  really
• 17:59
  thought
• 17:59
  very
• 18:00
  carefully
• 18:00
  about
• 18:00
  and
• 18:00
  haven't
• 18:01
  tested
• 18:01
  very
• 18:01
  thoroughly,
• 18:02
  I'm
• 18:02
  going
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  waste
• 18:02
  everybody's
• 18:03
  time
• 18:03
  because
• 18:03
  they're
• 18:03
  going
• 18:03
  to
• 18:04
  go
• 18:04
  and
• 18:04
  chase
• 18:04
  them
• 18:04
  and
• 18:04
  then
• 18:04
  they're
• 18:05
  going
• 18:05
  to
• 18:05
  find
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  I
• 18:06
  wasn't
• 18:06
  right.
• 18:06
  And
• 18:07
  so
• 18:07
  part
• 18:07
  of,
• 18:07
  you
• 18:07
  know,
• 18:07
  part
• 18:08
  of
• 18:08
  being
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  good
• 18:08
  scientist
• 18:08
  and
• 18:09
  being
• 18:09
  a
• 18:09
  good
• 18:10
  part
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  that
• 18:10
  scientific
• 18:10
  community
• 18:11
  is
• 18:12
  being
• 18:13
  sure
• 18:13
  that
• 18:14
  being
• 18:14
  careful
• 18:14
  that
• 18:15
  you
• 18:15
  don't
• 18:15
  go
• 18:15
  and
• 18:16
  tell
• 18:16
  everybody
• 18:16
  else
• 18:16
  about
• 18:16
  things
• 18:17
  until
• 18:17
  you're
• 18:17
  pretty
• 18:18
  confident
• 18:18
  that
• 18:19
  you
• 18:19
  have
• 18:21
  you
• 18:21
  figured
• 18:21
  it
• 18:21
  out
• 18:22
  yourself
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  you've
• 18:23
  kind
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  answered
• 18:23
  all
• 18:23
  the
• 18:24
  questions
• 18:24
  or
• 18:24
  ruled
• 18:25
  out
• 18:25
  all
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  other
• 18:26
  possible
• 18:26
  explanations
• 18:27
  before
• 18:28
  you
• 18:29
  go
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  say,
• 18:30
  I
• 18:30
  think
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  answer
• 18:31
  might
• 18:31
  be
• 18:31
  X,
• 18:31
  Y
• 18:32
  or
• 18:32
  Z.
• 18:33
  Yeah.
• 18:33
  If
• 18:33
  you're
• 18:33
  chasing
• 18:34
  fame
• 18:34
  or
• 18:34
  be
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  first
• 18:35
  one
• 18:35
  to
• 18:35
  put
• 18:35
  something
• 18:36
  out
• 18:36
  there,
• 18:36
  or
• 18:36
  grant
• 18:37
  money
• 18:37
  or
• 18:37
  whatever,
• 18:38
  you're
• 18:38
  chasing
• 18:39
  these
• 18:39
  things.
• 18:39
  If
• 18:39
  you're
• 18:40
  not
• 18:40
  careful
• 18:40
  for
• 18:41
  what
• 18:41
  you're
• 18:41
  doing,
• 18:41
  you're
• 18:42
  going
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  get
• 18:42
  found
• 18:42
  out
• 18:43
  real
• 18:43
  fast
• 18:44
  what
• 18:44
  you're
• 18:44
  doing
• 18:45
  isn't
• 18:46
  correct,
• 18:46
  or
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  have
• 18:46
  to
• 18:47
  start
• 18:47
  all
• 18:47
  over
• 18:47
  again
• 18:48
  and
• 18:48
  be
• 18:48
  seen
• 18:49
  or
• 18:49
  shown
• 18:50
  not
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  be
• 18:50
  true
• 18:50
  or
• 18:50
  as
• 18:51
  a
• 18:51
  fraud
• 18:51
  or
• 18:51
  whatever.
• 18:52
  So
• 18:52
  there's
• 18:53
  some
• 18:53
  we'll
• 18:53
  get
• 18:54
  later.
• 18:54
  Now,
• 18:54
  it's
• 18:54
  hard
• 18:54
  for
• 18:55
  me
• 18:55
  to
• 18:55
  go
• 18:55
  down
• 18:55
  this
• 18:55
  road,
• 18:56
  but
• 18:56
  there's
• 18:56
  members
• 18:56
  of
• 18:56
  my
• 18:56
  church
• 18:57
  who
• 18:57
  are
• 18:57
  researchers
• 18:58
  and
• 18:58
  scientists
• 18:59
  at
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  University
• 18:59
  of
• 19:00
  North
• 19:00
  Carolina
• 19:00
  and
• 19:00
  even
• 19:01
  at
• 19:01
  CERN
• 19:01
  over
• 19:01
  in
• 19:02
  Switzerland.
• 19:02
  And
• 19:03
  even
• 19:03
  when
• 19:03
  they
• 19:03
  think
• 19:04
  they're
• 19:04
  on
• 19:04
  onto
• 19:04
  something,
• 19:04
  they're
• 19:05
  like,
• 19:05
  oh,
• 19:05
  we're
• 19:05
  not
• 19:05
  going
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  release
• 19:06
  this
• 19:06
  yet.
• 19:06
  Something
• 19:06
  might
• 19:06
  be
• 19:06
  coming
• 19:07
  down
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  road,
• 19:07
  but
• 19:07
  we
• 19:08
  got
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  be
• 19:08
  careful.
• 19:08
  We
• 19:08
  have
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  lot
• 19:09
  more
• 19:09
  experiments
• 19:09
  and
• 19:09
  examination
• 19:10
  and
• 19:11
  experience
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  make
• 19:12
  sure
• 19:12
  what
• 19:12
  we're
• 19:12
  saying
• 19:13
  is
• 19:13
  going
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  be
• 19:14
  correct.
• 19:14
  And
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  think
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  was
• 19:15
  some
• 19:15
  people's
• 19:17
  hard
• 19:17
  times
• 19:17
  during
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  pandemic.
• 19:18
  There
• 19:18
  was
• 19:18
  a
• 19:18
  sense
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  urgency,
• 19:19
  but
• 19:19
  they're
• 19:19
  also
• 19:20
  watching
• 19:22
  science
• 19:22
  happen
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  real
• 19:23
  time
• 19:23
  where
• 19:23
  they're
• 19:23
  like,
• 19:24
  they
• 19:24
  say
• 19:24
  one
• 19:24
  thing,
• 19:25
  but
• 19:25
  now
• 19:25
  they're
• 19:25
  saying
• 19:26
  this
• 19:26
  other
• 19:26
  thing.
• 19:26
  Well,
• 19:26
  we're
• 19:27
  learning
• 19:27
  as
• 19:27
  we
• 19:27
  go
• 19:28
  here.
• 19:28
  And
• 19:28
  that
• 19:29
  plane
• 19:29
  was
• 19:29
  being
• 19:29
  built
• 19:30
  while
• 19:30
  it
• 19:30
  was
• 19:30
  still
• 19:30
  flying.
• 19:31
  So
• 19:31
  there's
• 19:32
  urgency.
• 19:32
  But,
• 19:33
  you
• 19:33
  know,
• 19:33
  science
• 19:34
  is
• 19:34
  out
• 19:34
  There,
• 19:34
  there
• 19:34
  are
• 19:34
  new
• 19:35
  things
• 19:35
  that
• 19:35
  happen
• 19:35
  all
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  time,
• 19:36
  but
• 19:37
  yeah,
• 19:38
  it's
• 19:39
  fascinating
• 19:39
  and
• 19:40
  yeah,
• 19:40
  thanks
• 19:40
  for
• 19:40
  what
• 19:41
  you
• 19:41
  do,
• 19:41
  Andy.
• 19:41
  In
• 19:42
  this
• 19:42
  day
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  age.
• 19:42
  Oh.
• 19:42
  Oh,
• 19:43
  boy.
• 19:44
  All
• 19:44
  right,
• 19:44
  so
• 19:44
  the.
• 19:44
  For
• 19:45
  sake
• 19:45
  of
• 19:45
  verses,
• 19:46
  I'm
• 19:46
  choosing
• 19:47
  magic.
• 19:47
  And
• 19:48
  I
• 19:48
  do
• 19:49
  like
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  hard
• 19:49
  sciences
• 19:50
  and
• 19:50
  I
• 19:50
  like
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  science
• 19:51
  in
• 19:51
  my
• 19:51
  fiction
• 19:52
  and
• 19:52
  I'm
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  fan
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  like
• 19:53
  Reed
• 19:54
  Richards
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  Tony
• 19:55
  Stark,
• 19:55
  those
• 19:55
  kinds
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  characters.
• 19:57
  But
• 19:58
  man,
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  really
• 19:59
  love
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  magical
• 20:01
  realms.
• 20:02
  Whether
• 20:02
  it's
• 20:03
  Middle
• 20:03
  Earth
• 20:03
  and
• 20:03
  Tolkien
• 20:04
  or
• 20:04
  Narn,
• 20:05
  Harry
• 20:06
  Potter,
• 20:06
  I
• 20:06
  like
• 20:07
  Harry
• 20:07
  Potter.
• 20:08
  Even
• 20:08
  Star
• 20:08
  wars
• 20:09
  with
• 20:09
  the
• 20:10
  Force
• 20:10
  is
• 20:10
  this
• 20:10
  kind
• 20:10
  of
• 20:11
  magical
• 20:11
  force,
• 20:12
  mysterious
• 20:13
  magic
• 20:13
  space
• 20:14
  wizard
• 20:15
  that's
• 20:15
  in
• 20:15
  this
• 20:16
  kind
• 20:16
  of
• 20:17
  space
• 20:17
  fantasy
• 20:18
  opera.
• 20:19
  But
• 20:20
  I'm
• 20:20
  choosing
• 20:20
  Doc
• 20:21
  Strange.
• 20:21
  Doctor
• 20:21
  Strange.
• 20:22
  And
• 20:22
  he
• 20:23
  has
• 20:23
  science
• 20:23
  background.
• 20:24
  He
• 20:24
  was
• 20:24
  a
• 20:25
  surgeon,
• 20:25
  He's
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  scientist.
• 20:26
  But
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  really
• 20:26
  love
• 20:27
  how
• 20:28
  that
• 20:28
  first
• 20:28
  movie
• 20:29
  captured
• 20:29
  this
• 20:29
  dilemma
• 20:30
  of
• 20:30
  that
• 20:30
  he
• 20:30
  couldn't
• 20:31
  figure,
• 20:32
  fix
• 20:32
  his
• 20:33
  whole
• 20:33
  life
• 20:34
  with
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  science
• 20:35
  around
• 20:35
  him.
• 20:35
  He
• 20:36
  had
• 20:36
  to
• 20:36
  go
• 20:37
  and
• 20:37
  find
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  guru
• 20:38
  or
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  spiritual
• 20:38
  realm
• 20:39
  or
• 20:39
  someone
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  help
• 20:39
  him
• 20:39
  out
• 20:40
  to
• 20:40
  show
• 20:40
  him
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  different
• 20:40
  reality.
• 20:41
  Whether
• 20:41
  it's
• 20:41
  different
• 20:42
  dimensions
• 20:43
  or
• 20:44
  multiverse
• 20:45
  realities
• 20:45
  or
• 20:46
  spells
• 20:46
  or
• 20:46
  whatever,
• 20:47
  he's
• 20:47
  having
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  wrestle
• 20:49
  with
• 20:49
  this
• 20:49
  idea
• 20:50
  of
• 20:50
  mystery,
• 20:51
  enchantment,
• 20:53
  magic
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  faith,
• 20:55
  along
• 20:55
  with
• 20:56
  understanding
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  world
• 20:57
  through
• 20:57
  physical
• 20:58
  means
• 20:58
  as
• 20:58
  a
• 20:58
  doctor
• 20:59
  who's
• 20:59
  so
• 20:59
  used
• 21:00
  to
• 21:00
  fixing
• 21:00
  other
• 21:00
  people.
• 21:01
  So
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  magic
• 21:03
  that
• 21:03
  I'm
• 21:03
  choosing,
• 21:03
  there's
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  lot
• 21:04
  out
• 21:04
  there.
• 21:04
  The
• 21:05
  magic
• 21:05
  I'm
• 21:05
  going
• 21:05
  to
• 21:06
  Pick
• 21:06
  is,
• 21:06
  is
• 21:06
  Dr.
• 21:07
  Strange
• 21:08
  because
• 21:09
  he
• 21:09
  is
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  source
• 21:10
  of
• 21:10
  Supreme.
• 21:11
  He's
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  source
• 21:11
  of
• 21:11
  Supreme.
• 21:12
  Well,
• 21:12
  not
• 21:12
  anymore.
• 21:12
  Marvel
• 21:13
  Comics
• 21:13
  now
• 21:13
  Doctor
• 21:13
  Doom
• 21:14
  is.
• 21:14
  That's
• 21:14
  coming
• 21:14
  up
• 21:15
  later.
• 21:15
  Oh,
• 21:15
  boy.
• 21:15
  We'll
• 21:15
  see
• 21:16
  what
• 21:16
  happens
• 21:16
  with
• 21:16
  that.
• 21:16
  But
• 21:17
  for
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  long
• 21:17
  time,
• 21:18
  Dr.
• 21:18
  Strange
• 21:18
  was
• 21:18
  sorcerer
• 21:19
  supreme
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  I'm
• 21:20
  choosing
• 21:21
  magic.
• 21:21
  So
• 21:21
  now
• 21:21
  here
• 21:22
  we
• 21:22
  have
• 21:22
  you.
• 21:23
  You
• 21:23
  alluded
• 21:23
  to
• 21:23
  it.
• 21:24
  There's
• 21:25
  sometimes,
• 21:25
  whether
• 21:25
  it's
• 21:26
  Reed
• 21:26
  Richards
• 21:26
  or
• 21:26
  Tony
• 21:26
  Stark,
• 21:27
  button
• 21:28
  heads
• 21:28
  against
• 21:29
  Dr.
• 21:30
  Strange.
• 21:30
  How
• 21:31
  do
• 21:31
  you
• 21:31
  see
• 21:31
  this
• 21:31
  battle
• 21:32
  to
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  end,
• 21:33
  Andy?
• 21:34
  Dr.
• 21:34
  Strange
• 21:35
  versus,
• 21:36
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:36
  the
• 21:37
  hard,
• 21:38
  close
• 21:39
  minded
• 21:39
  scientist
• 21:40
  of
• 21:41
  Tony
• 21:41
  Stark.
• 21:46
  Yeah,
• 21:46
  I
• 21:47
  mean,
• 21:47
  you
• 21:47
  know,
• 21:48
  this
• 21:48
  is
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  challenge
• 21:50
  because.
• 21:50
  Right.
• 21:50
  The
• 21:50
  first,
• 21:50
  the
• 21:51
  first
• 21:51
  rule
• 21:51
  of
• 21:51
  storytelling
• 21:52
  is,
• 21:52
  especially
• 21:52
  in
• 21:52
  comic
• 21:53
  book
• 21:53
  storytelling
• 21:53
  is,
• 21:54
  well,
• 21:54
  whose
• 21:54
  book
• 21:54
  is.
• 21:55
  Is
• 21:55
  this
• 21:56
  event
• 21:57
  happening
• 21:57
  in.
• 21:58
  Right.
• 22:00
  You
• 22:00
  know,
• 22:00
  if
• 22:00
  it's
• 22:01
  a
• 22:01
  Doctor
• 22:01
  Strange
• 22:01
  story,
• 22:02
  then
• 22:02
  obviously
• 22:03
  magic
• 22:03
  is
• 22:04
  going
• 22:04
  to
• 22:04
  come
• 22:04
  out
• 22:04
  on
• 22:04
  top
• 22:05
  or
• 22:05
  there's
• 22:05
  going
• 22:05
  to
• 22:05
  be
• 22:05
  something
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  can
• 22:06
  only
• 22:06
  be
• 22:06
  solved
• 22:07
  with
• 22:08
  magic.
• 22:09
  And
• 22:09
  if
• 22:09
  it's,
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:10
  if
• 22:10
  it's
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  Tony
• 22:10
  Stark
• 22:10
  book
• 22:11
  or
• 22:11
  if
• 22:11
  we
• 22:11
  want
• 22:12
  to
• 22:12
  go
• 22:12
  straight
• 22:12
  up.
• 22:13
  For
• 22:13
  a
• 22:13
  while,
• 22:14
  Hank
• 22:14
  Pym
• 22:14
  was
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  scientist
• 22:15
  supreme
• 22:16
  of
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  Marvel
• 22:17
  universe.
• 22:18
  100%
• 22:18
  good
• 22:18
  pull.
• 22:19
  Yep.
• 22:19
  100%.
• 23:13
  You
• 23:13
  know,
• 23:13
  and
• 23:13
  there's
• 23:14
  a
• 23:14
  There's
• 23:14
  a
• 23:14
  great.
• 23:16
  There's
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  great
• 23:16
  one
• 23:16
  shot
• 23:17
  by
• 23:17
  Mark
• 23:17
  Waid.
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  apologize,
• 23:19
  because
• 23:19
  I'm
• 23:19
  forgetting
• 23:19
  who
• 23:20
  the
• 23:20
  artist
• 23:20
  was
• 23:20
  on
• 23:21
  it.
• 23:22
  And,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:22
  know,
• 23:22
  it's
• 23:23
  one
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  these
• 23:23
  goofy
• 23:25
  books.
• 23:25
  It
• 23:25
  has
• 23:26
  a
• 23:26
  goofy
• 23:26
  title
• 23:27
  like
• 23:27
  Age
• 23:27
  of
• 23:28
  Ultron
• 23:28
  AU
• 23:29
  or
• 23:29
  something
• 23:29
  like
• 23:29
  that.
• 23:30
  When
• 23:30
  they
• 23:30
  were.
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  don't
• 23:30
  know
• 23:31
  when
• 23:31
  they
• 23:31
  were
• 23:31
  putting
• 23:31
  those
• 23:31
  like
• 23:32
  periods
• 23:32
  and
• 23:32
  letters
• 23:33
  after
• 23:33
  the
• 23:33
  titles
• 23:34
  of
• 23:34
  comics.
• 23:34
  It's
• 23:34
  like
• 23:35
  event
• 23:35
  tie
• 23:35
  ins
• 23:35
  or
• 23:35
  whatever.
• 23:38
  And
• 23:39
  it
• 23:40
  was
• 23:40
  this
• 23:40
  one
• 23:40
  shot
• 23:40
  about
• 23:40
  Hank.
• 23:40
  Him
• 23:41
  and
• 23:41
  how
• 23:41
  he
• 23:42
  is.
• 23:43
  He's
• 23:44
  a
• 23:44
  scientist
• 23:44
  for
• 23:45
  the,
• 23:45
  you
• 23:45
  know,
• 23:45
  for
• 23:45
  the
• 23:46
  purest
• 23:46
  sake
• 23:46
  of
• 23:47
  curiosity
• 23:47
  and
• 23:48
  wonder
• 23:48
  and
• 23:48
  trying
• 23:49
  to
• 23:49
  just
• 23:50
  kind
• 23:50
  of
• 23:50
  figure
• 23:51
  out
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  world
• 23:51
  and
• 23:52
  be
• 23:52
  curious
• 23:52
  about
• 23:52
  the
• 23:53
  world
• 23:53
  and
• 23:54
  with
• 23:54
  a
• 23:54
  sense
• 23:55
  of
• 23:55
  whimsy
• 23:55
  and
• 23:57
  delight
• 23:58
  and,
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  know,
• 23:59
  not
• 23:59
  trying.
• 23:59
  You
• 23:59
  know,
• 23:59
  he's
• 24:00
  not
• 24:00
  a
• 24:00
  Tony
• 24:00
  Stark
• 24:01
  trying
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  engineer
• 24:02
  something
• 24:02
  that
• 24:02
  he
• 24:02
  can
• 24:03
  sell
• 24:03
  or
• 24:04
  that,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:04
  know,
• 24:04
  will
• 24:04
  fix
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  certain
• 24:05
  problem.
• 24:05
  He
• 24:05
  just
• 24:05
  wants
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  know
• 24:06
  more
• 24:06
  about
• 24:06
  the
• 24:06
  world
• 24:07
  because
• 24:07
  he
• 24:07
  wants
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  know
• 24:07
  more
• 24:08
  about
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  world.
• 24:09
  And
• 24:11
  you
• 24:11
  get
• 24:11
  a
• 24:12
  little
• 24:12
  bit
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  even
• 24:13
  in
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  movies
• 24:14
  with
• 24:14
  Michael
• 24:15
  Douglas
• 24:15
  as
• 24:15
  Hank
• 24:15
  Pym,
• 24:16
  he's
• 24:16
  much
• 24:17
  grumpier.
• 24:18
  He's
• 24:18
  not
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  terribly
• 24:19
  likable
• 24:19
  character.
• 24:22
  He's
• 24:23
  not
• 24:23
  as
• 24:23
  charismatic
• 24:24
  as
• 24:24
  Tony
• 24:24
  Stark
• 24:25
  or
• 24:25
  Stephen
• 24:26
  Strange.
• 24:26
  But
• 24:27
  man,
• 24:27
  that
• 24:27
  guy
• 24:28
  loves
• 24:28
  ants.
• 24:28
  And
• 24:31
  he
• 24:31
  is
• 24:31
  just
• 24:31
  gonna
• 24:31
  study
• 24:32
  ants
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  figure
• 24:32
  out
• 24:33
  ants
• 24:33
  because
• 24:33
  he
• 24:33
  wants
• 24:34
  to.
• 24:34
  He
• 24:35
  wants
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  know
• 24:35
  what
• 24:35
  makes
• 24:35
  them
• 24:36
  tick.
• 24:37
  And
• 24:38
  yeah,
• 24:38
  he
• 24:38
  also
• 24:39
  invented
• 24:39
  this
• 24:39
  thing
• 24:39
  that
• 24:39
  makes
• 24:40
  him
• 24:40
  be
• 24:40
  able
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  shrink
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  grow
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  has
• 24:41
  lots
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  technological
• 24:43
  applications.
• 24:43
  And
• 24:44
  he's
• 24:44
  not
• 24:44
  quite
• 24:44
  the
• 24:45
  same
• 24:45
  sort
• 24:45
  of
• 24:46
  pure
• 24:47
  scientist
• 24:47
  in
• 24:47
  that
• 24:47
  setting,
• 24:48
  but
• 24:49
  he's
• 24:50
  still
• 24:50
  got
• 24:50
  his
• 24:50
  love
• 24:50
  of
• 24:50
  ants.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:52
  he
• 24:52
  gets
• 24:52
  that
• 24:52
  moment
• 24:52
  in
• 24:53
  Ant
• 24:53
  Man
• 24:54
  Quantumania
• 24:54
  where
• 24:54
  he
• 24:54
  gets
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  ride
• 24:55
  in
• 24:55
  and
• 24:56
  save
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  day
• 24:57
  with
• 24:57
  his
• 24:57
  ant
• 24:58
  friends.
• 24:59
  And
• 24:59
  I
• 25:00
  really
• 25:00
  enjoyed
• 25:00
  that
• 25:01
  for
• 25:01
  all
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  other
• 25:02
  goofiness
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  that
• 24:10
  movie.
• 25:06
  So
• 25:09
  my
• 25:09
  struggle
• 25:09
  with
• 25:09
  this
• 25:09
  is
• 25:10
  that,
• 25:11
  what
• 25:11
  do
• 25:11
  we
• 25:12
  mean
• 25:12
  by
• 25:12
  magic?
• 25:13
  What
• 25:13
  does
• 25:13
  it
• 25:13
  mean
• 25:13
  when
• 25:14
  science
• 25:14
  goes
• 25:14
  up
• 25:14
  and
• 25:14
  get
• 25:14
  magic?
• 25:15
  We
• 25:15
  do
• 25:15
  this
• 25:16
  a
• 25:16
  lot
• 25:17
  in
• 25:18
  narrative
• 25:18
  settings
• 25:19
  because
• 25:19
  magic
• 25:20
  is
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  narrative
• 25:21
  device.
• 25:23
  But
• 25:25
  you
• 25:26
  get
• 25:26
  that
• 25:26
  question,
• 25:27
  is
• 25:27
  it
• 25:27
  just
• 25:27
  science
• 25:27
  we
• 25:28
  haven't
• 25:28
  figured
• 25:28
  out?
• 25:29
  Thinking
• 25:29
  about
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  Doctor
• 25:30
  Strange
• 25:30
  movie.
• 25:30
  Doctor
• 25:31
  Strange
• 25:31
  has
• 25:31
  some
• 25:31
  very
• 25:32
  specific
• 25:32
  things
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  he's
• 25:33
  able
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  do.
• 25:33
  He's
• 25:34
  able
• 25:34
  to
• 25:34
  teleport,
• 25:35
  essentially,
• 25:36
  make
• 25:37
  portals
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  move
• 25:37
  from
• 25:37
  one
• 25:38
  part
• 25:38
  of
• 25:38
  space
• 25:38
  to
• 25:38
  another.
• 25:40
  He
• 25:40
  can
• 25:41
  turn
• 25:41
  back
• 25:42
  time.
• 25:44
  All
• 25:44
  these
• 25:44
  things
• 25:45
  deal
• 25:45
  with
• 25:46
  aspects
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  physical
• 25:48
  reality,
• 25:48
  space
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  time
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  so
• 25:50
  forth.
• 25:51
  And
• 25:51
  there
• 25:51
  are
• 25:53
  proposals
• 25:54
  largely
• 25:54
  from
• 25:55
  different
• 25:55
  solutions
• 25:56
  of
• 25:56
  general
• 25:56
  relativity,
• 25:57
  of
• 25:57
  how
• 25:57
  you
• 25:57
  could
• 25:57
  actually
• 25:58
  travel,
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  know,
• 26:00
  across
• 26:00
  space
• 26:00
  in
• 26:01
  that
• 26:01
  way
• 26:01
  or
• 26:03
  manipulate
• 26:03
  time
• 26:04
  in
• 26:04
  different
• 26:04
  ways.
• 26:05
  And
• 26:05
  so,
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  know,
• 26:06
  if
• 26:06
  somebody
• 26:07
  could
• 26:07
  actually
• 26:07
  do
• 26:07
  the
• 26:08
  things
• 26:08
  that
• 26:08
  Dr.
• 26:08
  Strange
• 26:09
  could
• 26:09
  do.
• 26:09
  Would
• 26:10
  that
• 26:10
  be
• 26:10
  magic
• 26:10
  or
• 26:10
  would
• 26:10
  it
• 26:10
  be
• 26:11
  science?
• 26:11
  Because
• 26:11
  we
• 26:11
  could
• 26:12
  study
• 26:12
  it,
• 26:12
  repeat.
• 26:12
  You
• 26:13
  know,
• 26:13
  he
• 26:13
  can
• 26:13
  consistently
• 26:14
  make
• 26:14
  those
• 26:14
  portals
• 26:15
  or
• 26:15
  whatever.
• 26:16
  And
• 26:17
  so,
• 26:17
  yeah,
• 26:17
  so
• 26:18
  maybe,
• 26:19
  maybe
• 26:19
  I'll
• 26:21
  put
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  onus
• 26:22
  on
• 26:22
  you
• 26:22
  here.
• 26:22
  What
• 26:23
  do
• 26:23
  we
• 26:23
  mean
• 26:23
  by
• 26:23
  magic?
• 26:24
  How
• 26:24
  do
• 26:24
  we.
• 26:25
  I
• 26:25
  don't
• 26:25
  know
• 26:25
  how
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  decide
• 26:25
  this
• 26:26
  question
• 26:26
  of
• 26:26
  magic
• 26:26
  versus
• 26:26
  science
• 26:27
  until
• 26:27
  we
• 26:27
  know
• 26:27
  really
• 26:28
  what
• 26:28
  we
• 26:28
  mean
• 26:29
  when
• 26:29
  we're
• 26:29
  talking
• 26:29
  about
• 26:29
  magic.
• 26:30
  I
• 26:30
  like
• 26:31
  that
• 26:31
  because
• 26:31
  I
• 26:31
  presented
• 26:32
  you
• 26:32
  with
• 26:32
  the
• 26:32
  question
• 26:32
  of
• 26:33
  what
• 26:33
  is
• 26:33
  science?
• 26:34
  You
• 26:34
  know,
• 26:34
  you
• 26:34
  presented
• 26:34
  what
• 26:35
  is
• 26:35
  magic?
• 26:35
  And
• 26:36
  I
• 26:36
  don't
• 26:36
  have
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  definitive
• 26:37
  term
• 26:37
  other
• 26:37
  than,
• 26:37
  like,
• 26:38
  using
• 26:39
  its
• 26:39
  own
• 26:39
  words
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  define
• 26:40
  itself,
• 26:41
  like
• 26:41
  enchantment
• 26:42
  and
• 26:43
  wonder
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  awe
• 26:43
  and
• 26:44
  mystery
• 26:44
  and
• 26:44
  those
• 26:45
  kinds
• 26:45
  of
• 26:45
  things.
• 26:45
  You're
• 26:45
  casting
• 26:46
  spells
• 26:47
  or
• 26:47
  tapping
• 26:48
  into
• 26:48
  a
• 26:48
  spiritual
• 26:48
  realm
• 26:49
  to
• 26:50
  make
• 26:50
  unbelievable
• 26:51
  things
• 26:52
  believable
• 26:53
  in
• 26:53
  front
• 26:53
  of
• 26:53
  you,
• 26:53
  or
• 26:53
  you're
• 26:54
  manipulating
• 26:54
  reality
• 26:55
  to
• 26:55
  your
• 26:55
  own
• 26:56
  will.
• 26:56
  And
• 26:57
  so
• 26:57
  I
• 26:57
  think
• 26:57
  about
• 26:57
  those
• 26:58
  passages
• 26:58
  in.
• 26:59
  In
• 26:59
  even
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  scripture
• 26:59
  that
• 27:00
  talks
• 27:00
  about
• 27:00
  kind
• 27:00
  of
• 27:00
  forbidding
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  magic,
• 27:02
  that
• 27:02
  you're
• 27:02
  going
• 27:02
  down
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  road.
• 27:03
  There's
• 27:03
  only
• 27:04
  powers
• 27:04
  specifically
• 27:06
  that
• 27:06
  are
• 27:07
  gods,
• 27:07
  which
• 27:07
  is
• 27:08
  like
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  sovereignty
• 27:09
  over
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  physical
• 27:12
  and
• 27:12
  spiritual
• 27:13
  realm
• 27:13
  and
• 27:13
  world.
• 27:13
  And
• 27:14
  so
• 27:14
  magicians
• 27:15
  are
• 27:15
  manipulating,
• 27:15
  becoming
• 27:16
  gods
• 27:16
  there
• 27:16
  themselves
• 27:17
  by
• 27:18
  tapping
• 27:18
  into
• 27:19
  godlike
• 27:19
  powers
• 27:19
  to
• 27:20
  control
• 27:20
  reality.
• 27:21
  And
• 27:22
  so
• 27:23
  whereas
• 27:25
  there
• 27:25
  were
• 27:26
  those
• 27:26
  back
• 27:27
  in
• 27:27
  the
• 27:27
  day
• 27:27
  that
• 27:27
  were
• 27:27
  upset
• 27:28
  of
• 27:28
  Tolkien
• 27:29
  and
• 27:29
  Narnia,
• 27:30
  or
• 27:30
  maybe
• 27:30
  not
• 27:31
  Narnia
• 27:31
  as
• 27:31
  much,
• 27:31
  but
• 27:31
  Harry
• 27:32
  Potter
• 27:32
  is
• 27:32
  like,
• 27:32
  oh,
• 27:32
  you
• 27:33
  can't
• 27:33
  read
• 27:33
  those.
• 27:33
  Christians
• 27:33
  can't
• 27:33
  read
• 27:34
  those
• 27:34
  books
• 27:34
  because
• 27:34
  dealing
• 27:34
  with
• 27:35
  magic
• 27:35
  and
• 27:35
  witches
• 27:35
  and
• 27:35
  sorcerers,
• 27:36
  they
• 27:36
  scare
• 27:36
  us.
• 27:37
  There's
• 27:38
  an
• 27:38
  element
• 27:38
  of,
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  guess,
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  two
• 27:42
  commandments
• 27:42
  and
• 27:43
  obeying
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  first
• 27:43
  command,
• 27:44
  having
• 27:44
  any
• 27:44
  idols
• 27:45
  and
• 27:45
  those
• 27:45
  kinds
• 27:45
  of
• 27:45
  things,
• 27:46
  what
• 27:46
  you're
• 27:46
  really
• 27:46
  doing
• 27:47
  with
• 27:47
  your
• 27:47
  power.
• 27:47
  But
• 27:48
  for
• 27:48
  me,
• 27:48
  and
• 27:48
  kind
• 27:48
  of
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  creative
• 27:49
  imaginative
• 27:50
  fandoms,
• 27:51
  IPs
• 27:51
  that
• 27:51
  we
• 27:51
  follow,
• 27:52
  it's
• 27:53
  a
• 27:53
  narrative
• 27:53
  device
• 27:55
  to
• 27:55
  tap
• 27:56
  into
• 27:56
  kind
• 27:56
  of
• 27:56
  the
• 27:56
  supernatural,
• 27:57
  spiritual
• 27:58
  realm
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  realities
• 27:59
  around
• 28:00
  them.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:00
  some
• 28:01
  have
• 28:01
  hard
• 28:01
  rules
• 28:01
  when
• 28:02
  it
• 28:02
  comes
• 28:02
  to
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  science
• 28:02
  that
• 28:03
  they're
• 28:03
  using.
• 28:04
  And
• 28:04
  others
• 28:04
  are
• 28:05
  just
• 28:05
  like,
• 28:05
  well,
• 28:05
  it's
• 28:06
  just
• 28:06
  magic.
• 28:07
  We're
• 28:07
  just
• 28:07
  casting
• 28:08
  a
• 28:08
  spell.
• 28:08
  We
• 28:08
  can
• 28:08
  do
• 28:09
  whatever
• 28:09
  we
• 28:09
  want.
• 28:11
  So,
• 28:11
  yeah,
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  mean,
• 28:12
  maybe
• 28:12
  there's
• 28:12
  a
• 28:12
  listener
• 28:13
  out
• 28:13
  there,
• 28:13
  someone
• 28:13
  who's
• 28:13
  listening,
• 28:13
  who's
• 28:14
  like,
• 28:14
  no,
• 28:14
  that's
• 28:14
  not
• 28:14
  your
• 28:14
  defined
• 28:15
  magic.
• 28:15
  Or
• 28:16
  if
• 28:16
  there's
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  real
• 28:17
  magician
• 28:17
  out
• 28:18
  there
• 28:18
  who
• 28:18
  does
• 28:18
  it,
• 28:19
  and.
• 28:19
  And
• 28:19
  he's
• 28:19
  talking
• 28:20
  about
• 28:20
  illusion,
• 28:21
  or
• 28:21
  she's
• 28:21
  talking
• 28:21
  about
• 28:22
  illusion
• 28:22
  and
• 28:22
  sleight
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  hand
• 28:23
  and
• 28:24
  a
• 28:24
  way
• 28:24
  to
• 28:24
  help
• 28:25
  somebody
• 28:25
  perceive
• 28:25
  something
• 28:26
  differently.
• 28:26
  I
• 28:27
  don't
• 28:27
  know,
• 28:27
  maybe
• 28:27
  there's
• 28:27
  a
• 28:27
  better
• 28:28
  way
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  define
• 28:28
  it.
• 28:29
  But
• 28:29
  I
• 28:29
  think
• 28:29
  where
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  division
• 28:30
  is
• 28:30
  is
• 28:31
  that,
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  know,
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  have
• 28:32
  like
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  said,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  have
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  people
• 28:33
  who
• 28:33
  are
• 28:33
  tapping
• 28:33
  into
• 28:34
  or
• 28:34
  the
• 28:35
  characters
• 28:35
  tapping
• 28:35
  into,
• 28:36
  mystery
• 28:38
  spells.
• 28:39
  And
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  scientists
• 28:40
  are
• 28:40
  like,
• 28:40
  like
• 28:40
  you
• 28:41
  said,
• 28:41
  just,
• 28:42
  just
• 28:43
  magic
• 28:44
  is
• 28:44
  just
• 28:45
  something
• 28:45
  that
• 28:45
  science
• 28:46
  hasn't
• 28:46
  figured
• 28:46
  out,
• 28:47
  but
• 28:47
  one
• 28:47
  that
• 28:47
  God
• 28:48
  in
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  gaps
• 28:48
  argument.
• 28:49
  We'll
• 28:49
  figure
• 28:50
  it
• 28:50
  out
• 28:50
  at
• 28:50
  some
• 28:50
  point
• 28:50
  from
• 28:50
  a
• 28:51
  scientific
• 28:52
  point
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  view.
• 28:53
  And
• 28:53
  I
• 28:53
  think
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  that
• 28:54
  line
• 28:54
  from,
• 28:55
  from
• 28:55
  the
• 28:55
  Martian,
• 28:55
  like
• 28:55
  one
• 28:55
  of
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  things
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  would
• 28:56
  have
• 28:56
  pulled
• 28:56
  if
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  would
• 28:57
  have.
• 28:57
  If
• 28:57
  I
• 28:57
  would
• 28:57
  have
• 28:57
  chosen
• 28:58
  science,
• 28:58
  I
• 28:59
  would
• 28:59
  have
• 28:59
  said
• 28:59
  the
• 28:59
  Martian,
• 29:00
  the,
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  book
• 29:01
  and,
• 29:01
  and
• 29:01
  the
• 29:01
  movie
• 29:01
  where
• 29:02
  he
• 29:02
  says,
• 29:02
  well,
• 29:02
  I'm
• 29:03
  gonna
• 29:03
  solve
• 29:03
  this
• 29:03
  problem
• 29:03
  because
• 29:03
  I'm
• 29:04
  gonna
• 29:04
  science
• 29:04
  the
• 29:04
  beep
• 29:05
  out
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  this
• 29:05
  thing.
• 29:06
  And,
• 29:07
  and
• 29:07
  so,
• 29:07
  yeah,
• 29:07
  I'm
• 29:07
  gonna.
• 29:08
  At
• 29:08
  some
• 29:08
  point,
• 29:08
  we're
• 29:09
  gonna
• 29:09
  figure
• 29:09
  it
• 29:09
  out.
• 29:09
  Our
• 29:09
  science
• 29:10
  is
• 29:10
  gonna
• 29:10
  catch
• 29:10
  up
• 29:11
  with
• 29:11
  the
• 29:11
  mystery
• 29:11
  around
• 29:11
  us
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  be
• 29:12
  like,
• 29:12
  yeah,
• 29:13
  we
• 29:13
  can
• 29:13
  figure
• 29:13
  out
• 29:13
  that.
• 29:13
  We,
• 29:14
  we
• 29:14
  know,
• 29:14
  we
• 29:15
  know,
• 29:15
  we'll
• 29:15
  know
• 29:15
  the
• 29:16
  answer.
• 29:18
  So,
• 29:19
  you
• 29:19
  know,
• 29:19
  as
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  person,
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  guess
• 29:20
  that's
• 29:21
  kind
• 29:21
  of
• 29:21
  where
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  division
• 29:21
  goes
• 29:22
  at,
• 29:22
  where
• 29:23
  maybe
• 29:23
  one,
• 29:24
  maybe
• 29:24
  one
• 29:25
  leans
• 29:25
  into
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  mystery
• 29:26
  and
• 29:26
  the
• 29:27
  spiritual
• 29:27
  realm
• 29:27
  of
• 29:27
  things
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  science.
• 29:28
  Like,
• 29:28
  oh,
• 29:28
  we'll
• 29:29
  figure
• 29:29
  it
• 29:29
  out
• 29:29
  at
• 29:29
  some
• 29:29
  point
• 29:30
  and
• 29:30
  you're
• 29:30
  just
• 29:30
  not
• 29:31
  giving
• 29:31
  us
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  time.
• 29:32
  Or
• 29:33
  maybe
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  scientists
• 29:34
  are
• 29:34
  looking
• 29:34
  where
• 29:34
  you're
• 29:35
  just.
• 29:35
  You
• 29:35
  believe
• 29:35
  in
• 29:36
  fairy
• 29:36
  tales
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  the
• 29:36
  scientists
• 29:37
  or
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  magician
• 29:38
  is
• 29:38
  like,
• 29:38
  oh,
• 29:38
  you're
• 29:38
  just
• 29:38
  all
• 29:39
  about
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  facts
• 29:39
  and
• 29:39
  the
• 29:40
  numbers
• 29:40
  and
• 29:40
  don't
• 29:41
  want
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  see
• 29:41
  mystery
• 29:42
  in
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  world.
• 29:42
  And
• 29:43
  that's
• 29:43
  kind
• 29:43
  of
• 29:44
  the
• 29:44
  strawman
• 29:45
  stereotype
• 29:45
  between
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  two,
• 29:46
  wouldn't
• 29:46
  you
• 29:46
  say?
• 29:47
  Yeah,
• 29:47
  I
• 29:47
  mean,
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:48
  definitely
• 29:49
  one
• 29:49
  way
• 29:49
  that
• 29:49
  it
• 29:49
  gets
• 29:50
  put.
• 29:52
  If
• 29:52
  we're
• 29:53
  talking
• 29:53
  about
• 29:53
  magic
• 29:54
  as
• 29:55
  directly
• 29:56
  imposing
• 29:56
  one's
• 29:57
  will
• 29:57
  on
• 29:58
  reality
• 29:59
  or
• 29:59
  something
• 29:59
  like
• 29:59
  that,
• 30:00
  then
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  don't
• 30:01
  see
• 30:01
  how
• 30:01
  science
• 30:01
  wins
• 30:01
  against
• 30:02
  that,
• 30:02
  because
• 30:02
  science
• 30:03
  will
• 30:03
  always
• 30:03
  be
• 30:03
  constrained
• 30:04
  by
• 30:04
  certain
• 30:05
  rules
• 30:05
  of
• 30:05
  cause
• 30:05
  and
• 30:06
  effect
• 30:06
  and
• 30:07
  what
• 30:08
  can
• 30:08
  be
• 30:08
  done.
• 30:08
  And
• 30:08
  so
• 30:08
  if
• 30:08
  you
• 30:09
  can
• 30:09
  just
• 30:09
  kind
• 30:09
  of
• 30:09
  circumvent
• 30:10
  that
• 30:10
  with,
• 30:10
  oh,
• 30:11
  I
• 30:11
  just
• 30:11
  want
• 30:11
  things
• 30:11
  to
• 30:12
  be
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  way
• 30:12
  that
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  want
• 30:12
  them
• 30:12
  to
• 30:13
  be.
• 30:14
  There
• 30:14
  will
• 30:14
  always
• 30:14
  be.
• 30:16
  There'll
• 30:16
  always
• 30:16
  be
• 30:16
  a
• 30:16
  loophole.
• 30:17
  There'll
• 30:17
  always
• 30:17
  be
• 30:17
  some
• 30:17
  way
• 30:18
  to
• 30:18
  get
• 30:18
  around
• 30:18
  things.
• 30:21
  But
• 30:21
  yeah,
• 30:22
  this
• 30:22
  idea
• 30:23
  that
• 30:25
  science
• 30:26
  eliminates
• 30:27
  all
• 30:27
  the
• 30:27
  wonder
• 30:28
  and
• 30:28
  mystery
• 30:29
  and
• 30:29
  beauty
• 30:30
  and
• 30:30
  so
• 30:30
  forth
• 30:30
  is
• 30:31
  kind
• 30:31
  of
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  strawman
• 30:33
  why
• 30:33
  we
• 30:34
  don't
• 30:34
  like
• 30:34
  science
• 30:35
  or
• 30:35
  what's
• 30:36
  bad
• 30:36
  about
• 30:36
  science
• 30:36
  or
• 30:37
  what's
• 30:37
  stereotypical
• 30:38
  about
• 30:38
  scientists.
• 30:40
  And
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  think
• 30:41
  there
• 30:41
  is
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  certain
• 30:42
  sort
• 30:42
  of
• 30:42
  overly
• 30:43
  reductionist
• 30:43
  way
• 30:44
  that
• 30:44
  you
• 30:44
  can
• 30:44
  go
• 30:44
  about
• 30:45
  science
• 30:45
  or
• 30:46
  maybe
• 30:47
  more
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  point
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  you
• 30:47
  can
• 30:47
  go
• 30:48
  about
• 30:49
  thinking
• 30:49
  about
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  world
• 30:50
  and
• 30:50
  your
• 30:51
  sort
• 30:51
  of
• 30:51
  metaphysics
• 30:52
  that
• 30:54
  the
• 30:55
  only
• 30:55
  thing
• 30:55
  that
• 30:55
  matters
• 30:56
  is
• 30:56
  kind
• 30:56
  of
• 30:56
  the
• 30:57
  fundamental
• 30:57
  Particles,
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  smallest
• 30:59
  bits
• 31:00
  and
• 31:00
  everything
• 31:00
  else
• 31:00
  is
• 31:01
  just
• 31:01
  sort
• 31:01
  of
• 31:02
  make
• 31:03
  believe
• 31:03
  or
• 31:04
  stories
• 31:04
  that
• 31:05
  we
• 31:05
  tell
• 31:05
  ourselves.
• 31:06
  But
• 31:07
  it's
• 31:08
  the
• 31:08
  particles
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  forces
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  matter
• 31:12
  that
• 31:12
  are
• 31:12
  the
• 31:12
  only
• 31:12
  things
• 31:13
  that
• 31:13
  are
• 31:13
  real.
• 31:13
  And
• 31:14
  I
• 31:14
  think
• 31:14
  that
• 31:14
  is
• 31:15
  unhelpful
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  that
• 31:18
  encourages
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  kind
• 31:19
  of
• 31:19
  pushback
• 31:20
  of.
• 31:20
  But
• 31:21
  what
• 31:21
  about
• 31:21
  love
• 31:21
  or
• 31:22
  beauty
• 31:22
  or
• 31:24
  those
• 31:24
  kinds
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  things?
• 31:25
  And
• 31:25
  I
• 31:25
  think
• 31:25
  a
• 31:26
  healthier
• 31:27
  way
• 31:28
  to
• 31:29
  approach
• 31:29
  science
• 31:29
  is
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  acknowledge
• 31:30
  that
• 31:30
  these
• 31:31
  things
• 31:31
  are
• 31:31
  real.
• 31:33
  They
• 31:33
  operate
• 31:33
  at
• 31:34
  different
• 31:34
  levels
• 31:35
  of
• 31:35
  organization
• 31:36
  or
• 31:36
  different
• 31:36
  levels
• 31:37
  of
• 31:37
  reality
• 31:38
  in
• 31:39
  terms
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  scale
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  so
• 31:41
  forth.
• 31:41
  Right.
• 31:42
  You
• 31:42
  know,
• 31:43
  we
• 31:44
  don't
• 31:44
  ascribe
• 31:44
  love
• 31:45
  to
• 31:46
  electrons
• 31:47
  and
• 31:47
  photons
• 31:48
  and
• 31:48
  so
• 31:48
  forth,
• 31:49
  but
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  know,
• 31:50
  it
• 31:50
  is
• 31:51
  a
• 31:51
  real
• 31:51
  category
• 31:51
  of
• 31:52
  phenomenon
• 31:52
  that
• 31:53
  is,
• 31:53
  that
• 31:53
  is
• 31:53
  useful
• 31:54
  when
• 31:54
  you're
• 31:54
  talking
• 31:54
  about
• 31:54
  people
• 31:55
  and
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  relationships
• 31:56
  between
• 31:57
  people.
• 31:57
  And
• 31:58
  to
• 31:59
  deny
• 31:59
  that
• 31:59
  just
• 31:59
  because
• 32:00
  we
• 32:00
  don't
• 32:00
  have,
• 32:00
  just
• 32:01
  because
• 32:01
  there
• 32:01
  isn't
• 32:02
  a
• 32:02
  quantum
• 32:03
  field
• 32:05
  from
• 32:05
  which
• 32:05
  love
• 32:06
  emerges
• 32:07
  directly,
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  know,
• 32:08
  I
• 32:08
  think
• 32:09
  is
• 32:09
  a
• 32:09
  bit
• 32:09
  silly.
• 32:10
  And
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  think
• 32:10
  most
• 32:10
  people
• 32:11
  would
• 32:11
  acknowledge
• 32:12
  that.
• 32:12
  You
• 32:12
  know,
• 32:12
  I
• 32:13
  don't
• 32:13
  think
• 32:13
  that's
• 32:13
  a
• 32:13
  particularly,
• 32:15
  I
• 32:15
  don't
• 32:15
  think
• 32:16
  that's
• 32:16
  a
• 32:16
  minority
• 32:16
  view
• 32:16
  or
• 32:17
  anything
• 32:17
  like
• 32:17
  that.
• 32:17
  But
• 32:17
  I
• 32:18
  do
• 32:18
  think
• 32:18
  you
• 32:18
  can
• 32:18
  find
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  sort
• 32:19
  of
• 32:19
  very
• 32:19
  strident
• 32:21
  views
• 32:22
  that
• 32:22
  kind
• 32:22
  of
• 32:22
  get
• 32:22
  the
• 32:23
  most,
• 32:23
  sometimes
• 32:24
  get
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  most
• 32:24
  attention
• 32:26
  in
• 32:26
  either
• 32:26
  direction.
• 32:27
  Yeah,
• 32:27
  well,
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  mean,
• 32:28
  yeah,
• 32:29
  listeners,
• 32:29
  you
• 32:30
  know,
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  irony
• 32:31
  here
• 32:31
  is
• 32:31
  that
• 32:31
  Andy
• 32:32
  is
• 32:32
  a
• 32:32
  scientist
• 32:32
  who
• 32:33
  also
• 32:33
  happens
• 32:33
  to
• 32:33
  be
• 32:33
  a
• 32:33
  person
• 32:33
  of
• 32:34
  faith.
• 32:34
  And
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  am
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  minister
• 32:36
  who
• 32:36
  also
• 32:37
  has
• 32:37
  done
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  lot
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  work
• 32:38
  with
• 32:38
  faith
• 32:39
  and
• 32:39
  science
• 32:40
  and
• 32:41
  helping
• 32:41
  create
• 32:41
  a
• 32:41
  healthy
• 32:42
  conversation
• 32:42
  between
• 32:42
  the
• 32:42
  two.
• 32:43
  And
• 32:43
  have
• 32:43
  many
• 32:43
  members
• 32:43
  of
• 32:44
  my
• 32:44
  church
• 32:44
  here
• 32:44
  in
• 32:45
  a
• 32:45
  university
• 32:45
  setting
• 32:46
  who
• 32:46
  are
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  sciences,
• 32:47
  whether
• 32:47
  evolutionary
• 32:47
  biologists
• 32:48
  or
• 32:48
  particle
• 32:48
  physicists.
• 32:50
  And
• 32:50
  so
• 32:50
  those
• 32:50
  big
• 32:51
  questions
• 32:51
  around
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  two
• 32:52
  things,
• 32:52
  we
• 32:53
  are
• 32:53
  very
• 32:53
  open
• 32:54
  and
• 32:55
  really
• 32:55
  seek
• 32:55
  to
• 32:55
  have
• 32:56
  healthy
• 32:56
  conversations
• 32:57
  between
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  two
• 32:57
  and
• 32:57
  see
• 32:58
  how
• 32:58
  they
• 32:58
  can
• 32:59
  work
• 32:59
  together.
• 32:59
  So
• 33:00
  you
• 33:01
  could.
• 33:01
  We're
• 33:01
  going
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  have
• 33:02
  a
• 33:02
  faith
• 33:02
  and
• 33:02
  science
• 33:03
  conversation
• 33:03
  at
• 33:03
  some
• 33:03
  point
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  little
• 33:04
  bit
• 33:05
  later
• 33:05
  on.
• 33:05
  But,
• 33:05
  but
• 33:05
  in
• 33:06
  terms
• 33:06
  of
• 33:06
  magic,
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  know,
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  think
• 33:09
  that
• 33:09
  the,
• 33:11
  you
• 33:11
  know,
• 33:11
  this
• 33:11
  kind
• 33:12
  of
• 33:12
  loss
• 33:12
  of
• 33:12
  enchantment
• 33:13
  in
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  world
• 33:14
  or
• 33:14
  mystery,
• 33:15
  there's
• 33:15
  this
• 33:15
  reductionism
• 33:17
  to
• 33:17
  materialism
• 33:18
  when
• 33:18
  it
• 33:18
  comes
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  science.
• 33:19
  But
• 33:19
  really.
• 33:19
  And
• 33:20
  the
• 33:20
  scientists
• 33:20
  that
• 33:20
  I've
• 33:21
  spoken
• 33:21
  to,
• 33:21
  if
• 33:21
  I'm
• 33:22
  going
• 33:22
  to
• 33:22
  find
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  good
• 33:22
  and
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  other
• 33:23
  now
• 33:23
  and
• 33:23
  leap
• 33:23
  over
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  your
• 33:24
  side
• 33:24
  that
• 33:24
  scientists
• 33:25
  that
• 33:25
  I've
• 33:25
  spoken
• 33:26
  to,
• 33:26
  it
• 33:26
  is
• 33:27
  mystery
• 33:27
  and
• 33:27
  awe
• 33:27
  and
• 33:28
  wonder
• 33:28
  that
• 33:28
  drove
• 33:28
  them
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  study
• 33:30
  the
• 33:30
  sciences,
• 33:30
  to
• 33:31
  learn
• 33:31
  more
• 33:31
  about
• 33:32
  what
• 33:32
  they
• 33:32
  are
• 33:33
  curious
• 33:33
  about.
• 33:34
  And
• 33:35
  as
• 33:35
  they
• 33:35
  are
• 33:35
  learning,
• 33:36
  there's
• 33:37
  always
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  question
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  chase.
• 33:38
  There's
• 33:39
  always
• 33:39
  awe
• 33:39
  and
• 33:40
  mystery
• 33:40
  and
• 33:40
  wonder
• 33:41
  when
• 33:41
  it
• 33:41
  comes
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  that.
• 33:42
  Now
• 33:42
  there's
• 33:42
  exceptions
• 33:43
  to
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  rule.
• 33:44
  But
• 33:44
  the
• 33:45
  ones
• 33:45
  that
• 33:45
  I
• 33:45
  speak
• 33:45
  to
• 33:46
  and
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  ones
• 33:46
  I've
• 33:47
  had
• 33:47
  experience
• 33:47
  with,
• 33:48
  they
• 33:49
  still
• 33:49
  experience
• 33:49
  enchantment
• 33:50
  and
• 33:50
  mystery
• 33:51
  and
• 33:51
  awe
• 33:51
  and
• 33:51
  wonder
• 33:52
  when
• 33:52
  it
• 33:52
  comes
• 33:52
  to
• 33:54
  whatever
• 33:55
  they're
• 33:55
  studying
• 33:55
  or
• 33:55
  trying
• 33:56
  to
• 33:56
  prove
• 33:56
  or
• 33:56
  disprove
• 33:57
  in
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  sciences
• 33:57
  to
• 33:58
  understand
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  world.
• 33:59
  And
• 34:00
  there's
• 34:00
  still
• 34:00
  more
• 34:00
  to
• 34:00
  learn.
• 34:01
  There's.
• 34:01
  You
• 34:01
  never
• 34:01
  run
• 34:01
  out
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  things
• 34:02
  to
• 34:02
  learn.
• 34:02
  And
• 34:02
  I
• 34:03
  think,
• 34:03
  you
• 34:03
  know,
• 34:04
  for
• 34:05
  me,
• 34:05
  looking
• 34:05
  over
• 34:05
  the
• 34:05
  fact
• 34:06
  that,
• 34:06
  yeah,
• 34:06
  even
• 34:06
  though
• 34:07
  Tony
• 34:07
  Stark
• 34:07
  is
• 34:08
  blah,
• 34:08
  blah,
• 34:08
  blah,
• 34:08
  but
• 34:09
  and
• 34:10
  Reed
• 34:10
  Richards,
• 34:11
  they're
• 34:11
  going
• 34:11
  to
• 34:11
  crunch
• 34:11
  the
• 34:12
  numbers
• 34:12
  to
• 34:12
  try
• 34:12
  to
• 34:12
  find
• 34:13
  a
• 34:13
  solution.
• 34:13
  I
• 34:13
  love
• 34:13
  how
• 34:14
  you
• 34:14
  said
• 34:14
  Hank
• 34:15
  Pym
• 34:15
  is
• 34:15
  scientist
• 34:16
  supreme,
• 34:17
  but
• 34:17
  they're
• 34:17
  still
• 34:18
  work
• 34:18
  on
• 34:18
  their
• 34:19
  teammates
• 34:19
  with
• 34:20
  other
• 34:20
  people
• 34:21
  who
• 34:21
  have
• 34:22
  superpowers
• 34:23
  and
• 34:23
  magic
• 34:24
  and
• 34:24
  mystery.
• 34:24
  When
• 34:25
  it
• 34:25
  comes
• 34:25
  around
• 34:25
  to
• 34:25
  them,
• 34:25
  they're
• 34:25
  just
• 34:26
  using
• 34:26
  their
• 34:26
  gifts
• 34:26
  and
• 34:27
  their
• 34:27
  scientific
• 34:27
  mind
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  help
• 34:28
  solve
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  problems
• 34:29
  or
• 34:29
  use
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  around.
• 34:30
  I'm
• 34:31
  sure
• 34:31
  if
• 34:31
  someone's
• 34:31
  looking
• 34:32
  at
• 34:34
  an
• 34:34
  ant
• 34:34
  grow
• 34:35
  or
• 34:35
  someone
• 34:36
  shrink
• 34:36
  down
• 34:36
  to
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  size
• 34:37
  of
• 34:37
  an
• 34:37
  ant,
• 34:37
  they're
• 34:37
  like,
• 34:38
  that's
• 34:38
  magic.
• 34:38
  Even
• 34:38
  though
• 34:39
  they're
• 34:39
  using
• 34:40
  quantum
• 34:41
  Pym
• 34:41
  particles
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  are
• 34:43
  a
• 34:43
  part
• 34:44
  of
• 34:44
  the
• 34:44
  physical
• 34:44
  universe
• 34:45
  to
• 34:46
  actualize
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  make
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  happen
• 34:47
  to
• 34:48
  an
• 34:48
  outsider.
• 34:49
  Wow,
• 34:49
  you're
• 34:49
  just
• 34:49
  using
• 34:49
  magic.
• 34:50
  Look
• 34:50
  at
• 34:50
  that.
• 34:50
  Neat.
• 34:50
  Cool
• 34:50
  trick.
• 34:51
  Superpower.
• 34:51
  But
• 34:51
  they're
• 34:52
  really
• 34:52
  using
• 34:52
  science.
• 34:53
  So
• 34:53
  that's
• 34:54
  how
• 34:54
  I
• 34:54
  kind
• 34:54
  of
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  switch
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  find
• 34:56
  the
• 34:56
  good
• 34:56
  and
• 34:56
  the
• 34:56
  other.
• 34:58
  There's
• 34:58
  still
• 34:58
  this
• 34:58
  aspect
• 34:59
  of
• 34:59
  enchantment
• 35:00
  and
• 35:00
  wonder
• 35:00
  and
• 35:01
  mystery
• 35:01
  and
• 35:02
  wanting
• 35:02
  to
• 35:02
  help
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  world
• 35:03
  that
• 35:03
  they're
• 35:03
  a
• 35:03
  part
• 35:04
  of.
• 35:04
  Yeah,
• 35:06
  I
• 35:06
  like
• 35:06
  all
• 35:07
  that.
• 35:07
  Thank
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  for
• 35:07
  all
• 35:07
  that.
• 35:08
  That's
• 35:08
  a
• 35:09
  cool
• 35:09
  way
• 35:09
  of
• 35:10
  looking
• 35:10
  at
• 35:10
  things.
• 35:11
  Yeah.
• 35:11
  And
• 35:12
  you
• 35:12
  know,
• 35:12
  to
• 35:12
  think
• 35:12
  about
• 35:13
  sort
• 35:13
  of
• 35:13
  magic
• 35:14
  as
• 35:15
  something
• 35:15
  that
• 35:15
  exists
• 35:16
  largely
• 35:17
  in
• 35:17
  a
• 35:17
  storytelling
• 35:18
  setting.
• 35:19
  Right.
• 35:19
  There
• 35:20
  is
• 35:20
  definitely
• 35:20
  value
• 35:21
  in
• 35:21
  telling
• 35:21
  stories
• 35:22
  about
• 35:22
  things
• 35:22
  that
• 35:23
  don't
• 35:23
  exist
• 35:23
  in
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  real
• 35:24
  world
• 35:24
  or
• 35:24
  don't
• 35:24
  exist
• 35:24
  in
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  real
• 35:25
  world
• 35:25
  yet.
• 35:26
  Right.
• 35:26
  Because
• 35:28
  that's
• 35:29
  how
• 35:29
  we
• 35:29
  move
• 35:29
  forward
• 35:30
  in
• 35:31
  making
• 35:32
  new
• 35:32
  discoveries,
• 35:32
  making
• 35:32
  new
• 35:33
  inventions,
• 35:35
  or
• 35:35
  even
• 35:35
  just
• 35:35
  finding
• 35:36
  new
• 35:36
  ways
• 35:36
  of
• 35:36
  talking
• 35:37
  about
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  world.
• 35:40
  Even
• 35:40
  that
• 35:41
  can
• 35:42
  be
• 35:42
  valuable
• 35:43
  if
• 35:43
  it
• 35:43
  brings
• 35:44
  people
• 35:44
  together
• 35:44
  or
• 35:44
  if
• 35:45
  it
• 35:45
  helps
• 35:45
  people
• 35:45
  collaborate
• 35:46
  on
• 35:46
  different
• 35:46
  things.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:48
  so,
• 35:49
  yeah,
• 35:49
  if
• 35:50
  we
• 35:50
  kind
• 35:50
  of
• 35:50
  flip
• 35:50
  it
• 35:50
  around
• 35:51
  of,
• 35:52
  you
• 35:52
  know,
• 35:52
  or
• 35:53
  magic
• 35:53
  is
• 35:54
  science,
• 35:54
  I
• 35:54
  guess,
• 35:55
  flipping
• 35:55
  around.
• 35:55
  But,
• 35:55
  you
• 35:55
  know,
• 35:56
  if
• 35:56
  we
• 35:56
  looking
• 35:56
  at
• 35:57
  magic
• 35:57
  as
• 35:57
  science,
• 35:57
  things
• 35:58
  that
• 35:58
  science
• 35:58
  haven't
• 35:58
  figured
• 35:58
  out
• 35:58
  yet.
• 35:59
  We
• 35:59
  need
• 35:59
  things
• 35:59
  that
• 35:59
  science
• 36:00
  haven't
• 36:00
  figured
• 36:00
  out
• 36:00
  yet
• 36:00
  so
• 36:01
  that
• 36:01
  we
• 36:01
  have
• 36:01
  more.
• 36:02
  More
• 36:02
  science
• 36:02
  to
• 36:02
  work
• 36:03
  on.
• 36:03
  Yeah.
• 36:03
  And
• 36:04
  having,
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  know,
• 36:05
  having
• 36:05
  those
• 36:05
  stories,
• 36:06
  you
• 36:07
  know,
• 36:07
  even
• 36:07
  something
• 36:07
  like
• 36:08
  Dr.
• 36:08
  Strange.
• 36:08
  Right.
• 36:09
  You
• 36:09
  know,
• 36:09
  that
• 36:09
  can.
• 36:10
  That
• 36:10
  can
• 36:10
  inspire
• 36:11
  people's
• 36:11
  imagination
• 36:12
  or
• 36:12
  Star
• 36:12
  Wars.
• 36:12
  I
• 36:12
  mean,
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:13
  how
• 36:13
  many,
• 36:14
  how
• 36:14
  many
• 36:14
  people
• 36:14
  have
• 36:14
  Been
• 36:14
  inspired
• 36:15
  by
• 36:15
  Star
• 36:15
  wars
• 36:16
  to
• 36:16
  pursue
• 36:18
  different
• 36:19
  kinds
• 36:19
  of
• 36:21
  careers
• 36:21
  in
• 36:22
  all
• 36:22
  kinds
• 36:22
  of
• 36:22
  different
• 36:22
  things,
• 36:22
  some
• 36:23
  of
• 36:23
  them
• 36:23
  scientific,
• 36:23
  some
• 36:23
  of
• 36:23
  them
• 36:24
  less
• 36:24
  so.
• 36:25
  But
• 36:25
  in
• 36:25
  terms
• 36:26
  of
• 36:26
  working
• 36:27
  to
• 36:27
  bring
• 36:27
  people
• 36:27
  together
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  bring
• 36:28
  good
• 36:28
  into
• 36:28
  the
• 36:29
  world,
• 36:31
  there
• 36:31
  are,
• 36:32
  there
• 36:32
  are
• 36:32
  various
• 36:33
  people
• 36:33
  now
• 36:33
  that
• 36:33
  are
• 36:34
  Jedi,
• 36:34
  right.
• 36:34
  So
• 36:34
  you
• 36:34
  talk
• 36:35
  about
• 36:35
  speaking
• 36:36
  something
• 36:36
  into
• 36:36
  the
• 36:37
  world,
• 36:37
  into
• 36:37
  existence,
• 36:38
  right.
• 36:38
  George
• 36:38
  Lucas
• 36:39
  came
• 36:39
  up
• 36:39
  with
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  concept
• 36:40
  of
• 36:40
  Jedi
• 36:40
  and
• 36:40
  now
• 36:41
  there
• 36:41
  are
• 36:41
  Jedi
• 36:41
  in
• 36:41
  the
• 36:42
  world
• 36:42
  and
• 36:42
  there
• 36:42
  are
• 36:42
  Quidditch
• 36:42
  places,
• 36:43
  players.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:45
  so
• 36:47
  it
• 36:48
  sounds
• 36:48
  hokey,
• 36:48
  right?
• 36:49
  In
• 36:49
  the
• 36:49
  abstract,
• 36:50
  but
• 36:50
  that
• 36:50
  is
• 36:50
  actually
• 36:50
  something
• 36:51
  that
• 36:51
  people
• 36:51
  do
• 36:51
  on
• 36:51
  the
• 36:52
  regular
• 36:52
  is
• 36:53
  speak
• 36:54
  things
• 36:54
  into
• 36:54
  existence
• 36:56
  by
• 36:58
  describing
• 36:59
  a
• 36:59
  future
• 36:59
  that
• 36:59
  people
• 36:59
  want
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  go
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  and
• 37:00
  then
• 37:00
  we
• 37:01
  work
• 37:01
  towards
• 37:01
  it
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  get
• 37:02
  there.
• 37:02
  And
• 37:04
  if
• 37:04
  that
• 37:04
  brings
• 37:04
  people
• 37:04
  together,
• 37:05
  if
• 37:05
  that
• 37:06
  builds
• 37:06
  communities,
• 37:07
  if
• 37:07
  that
• 37:07
  builds
• 37:08
  relationships,
• 37:09
  if
• 37:09
  that
• 37:10
  builds
• 37:10
  technology
• 37:11
  or
• 37:11
  tools
• 37:12
  that
• 37:12
  we
• 37:12
  can
• 37:12
  use
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  make
• 37:12
  people's
• 37:13
  lives
• 37:13
  better,
• 37:14
  that's
• 37:15
  all
• 37:15
  valuable
• 37:15
  stuff.
• 37:16
  Yeah,
• 37:17
  I
• 37:17
  think
• 37:17
  of
• 37:17
  the
• 37:18
  conversion
• 37:18
  of
• 37:18
  Han
• 37:18
  Solo,
• 37:19
  right.
• 37:19
  Like
• 37:19
  at
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  beginning,
• 37:20
  A
• 37:20
  New
• 37:20
  Hope.
• 37:21
  He's
• 37:21
  like,
• 37:21
  hokie,
• 37:22
  religions
• 37:22
  are
• 37:22
  no
• 37:22
  match
• 37:23
  for
• 37:23
  a
• 37:23
  blaster
• 37:24
  or
• 37:24
  however
• 37:24
  he
• 37:24
  says
• 37:25
  it.
• 37:25
  And
• 37:25
  then
• 37:25
  eventually
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  get
• 37:26
  to
• 37:26
  Force
• 37:27
  Awakens
• 37:27
  and
• 37:27
  he's
• 37:27
  like,
• 37:28
  it's
• 37:28
  true.
• 37:28
  It's
• 37:28
  all
• 37:28
  true.
• 37:29
  I
• 37:29
  believe
• 37:30
  I've
• 37:30
  seen
• 37:30
  lots
• 37:30
  of
• 37:30
  things
• 37:31
  and
• 37:31
  it's
• 37:32
  all
• 37:32
  true.
• 37:32
  So
• 37:33
  it's
• 37:33
  that
• 37:33
  experience
• 37:34
  with
• 37:34
  the
• 37:34
  other
• 37:35
  that
• 37:35
  helps
• 37:35
  you
• 37:35
  understand
• 37:36
  and
• 37:36
  enlarge
• 37:37
  universe.
• 37:37
  And
• 37:37
  so
• 37:37
  I
• 37:38
  think
• 37:38
  magic,
• 37:40
  science,
• 37:40
  together,
• 37:41
  working
• 37:41
  on
• 37:41
  the
• 37:41
  same
• 37:42
  team,
• 37:42
  I
• 37:43
  think
• 37:43
  it'd
• 37:43
  be
• 37:43
  helpful
• 37:43
  for
• 37:43
  the
• 37:44
  world.
• 37:44
  So,
• 37:44
  you
• 37:44
  know,
• 37:45
  I
• 37:45
  don't
• 37:45
  know
• 37:45
  how
• 37:46
  much
• 37:46
  we
• 37:46
  set
• 37:46
  up.
• 37:46
  This
• 37:47
  really
• 37:47
  wasn't
• 37:48
  like
• 37:48
  a
• 37:48
  deadly
• 37:49
  blow
• 37:50
  by
• 37:50
  blow
• 37:50
  death
• 37:51
  match
• 37:51
  here.
• 37:52
  But
• 37:52
  we
• 37:52
  tried
• 37:52
  to
• 37:52
  lift
• 37:52
  up
• 37:53
  these
• 37:53
  two
• 37:53
  things
• 37:53
  and
• 37:53
  then
• 37:54
  finding
• 37:55
  the
• 37:55
  good
• 37:55
  in
• 37:55
  the
• 37:56
  other.
• 37:56
  I
• 37:56
  think
• 37:56
  both
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  us
• 37:57
  in
• 37:57
  our
• 37:58
  realms
• 37:58
  of
• 37:58
  vocation,
• 37:59
  in
• 37:59
  our
• 37:59
  world,
• 38:00
  but
• 38:00
  also
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  stories
• 38:01
  we
• 38:01
  like.
• 38:01
  We're
• 38:01
  pretty
• 38:02
  much
• 38:02
  on
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  same
• 38:02
  page,
• 38:03
  Andy,
• 38:03
  when
• 38:03
  it
• 38:03
  comes
• 38:03
  to
• 38:04
  see
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  good
• 38:05
  in
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  other.
• 38:06
  Yeah,
• 38:07
  I
• 38:07
  mean,
• 38:07
  you
• 38:07
  and
• 38:08
  I,
• 38:09
  I
• 38:09
  think
• 38:11
  the
• 38:11
  Last
• 38:11
  Jedi
• 38:12
  is
• 38:12
  the
• 38:12
  only
• 38:12
  thing
• 38:12
  that
• 38:12
  we
• 38:13
  have
• 38:13
  found
• 38:14
  any
• 38:14
  kind
• 38:14
  of
• 38:15
  place
• 38:15
  to
• 38:16
  differ
• 38:16
  on.
• 38:16
  But
• 38:16
  yeah,
• 38:17
  I
• 38:17
  think
• 38:17
  we
• 38:17
  do
• 38:17
  generally
• 38:18
  have
• 38:18
  all
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  same
• 38:19
  tastes
• 38:19
  and
• 38:20
  preferences
• 38:20
  and
• 38:20
  enjoy
• 38:21
  the
• 38:21
  same
• 38:21
  things.
• 38:23
  Yeah,
• 38:23
  maybe,
• 38:23
  maybe
• 38:24
  we'll
• 38:24
  do
• 38:24
  finding
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  Good.
• 38:25
  You
• 38:25
  know,
• 38:25
  I
• 38:25
  think
• 38:25
  we've
• 38:25
  done
• 38:25
  that
• 38:26
  before
• 38:26
  with.
• 38:26
  Yeah,
• 38:27
  I
• 38:27
  don't
• 38:27
  think
• 38:27
  we
• 38:27
  need
• 38:27
  to
• 38:27
  relive
• 38:28
  that
• 38:28
  conversation.
• 38:29
  It
• 38:29
  just
• 38:29
  was
• 38:29
  the
• 38:29
  only
• 38:29
  thing
• 38:30
  that.
• 38:30
  Came
• 38:30
  to
• 38:30
  mind
• 38:31
  that
• 38:31
  will
• 38:31
  probably
• 38:32
  happen
• 38:32
  again
• 38:32
  before
• 38:33
  Saul
• 38:33
  said
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  done
• 38:33
  that,
• 38:34
  that
• 38:34
  the
• 38:35
  lightning
• 38:35
  rod
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  a
• 38:35
  movie,
• 38:36
  the
• 38:36
  Last
• 38:36
  Jedi,
• 38:36
  but.
• 38:36
  And
• 38:37
  there'll
• 38:37
  be
• 38:37
  more
• 38:37
  movies
• 38:37
  like
• 38:38
  that.
• 38:38
  And
• 38:38
  I'll
• 38:38
  be
• 38:38
  curious
• 38:38
  to
• 38:38
  see
• 38:39
  what
• 38:39
  this
• 38:40
  next
• 38:40
  Captain
• 38:41
  America
• 38:41
  movie
• 38:41
  and
• 38:42
  others.
• 38:42
  We
• 38:43
  got
• 38:43
  some
• 38:43
  comic
• 38:43
  Book,
• 38:43
  movies,
• 38:44
  whether
• 38:44
  that's
• 38:45
  gonna
• 38:45
  do
• 38:46
  fine.
• 38:46
  The
• 38:46
  good
• 38:46
  in
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  other.
• 38:47
  There'll
• 38:48
  be
• 38:48
  more
• 38:48
  ways
• 38:48
  to
• 38:49
  practice
• 38:49
  and
• 38:49
  exercise
• 38:50
  that
• 38:51
  in,
• 38:51
  in
• 38:51
  our
• 38:52
  world.
• 38:52
  So
• 38:53
  folks
• 38:53
  out
• 38:53
  there,
• 38:54
  you
• 38:54
  know,
• 38:55
  help
• 38:55
  us,
• 38:56
  you
• 38:56
  know,
• 38:56
  chime
• 38:57
  in
• 38:57
  on
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  socials.
• 38:58
  What
• 38:59
  do
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  think?
• 38:59
  What
• 38:59
  will
• 38:59
  you
• 39:00
  choose?
• 39:01
  How
• 39:01
  can
• 39:01
  you
• 39:01
  see
• 39:02
  the
• 39:02
  good
• 39:02
  in
• 39:02
  the
• 39:03
  other?
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  think
• 39:03
  this
• 39:03
  does
• 39:03
  apply
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  our.
• 39:05
  And
• 39:05
  how
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  operate
• 39:06
  in
• 39:06
  the
• 39:06
  worlds
• 39:06
  and
• 39:07
  communities
• 39:07
  we're
• 39:07
  a
• 39:07
  part
• 39:07
  of.
• 39:08
  Look,
• 39:08
  look
• 39:09
  for
• 39:09
  that
• 39:09
  good
• 39:09
  in
• 39:09
  the
• 39:10
  other
• 39:10
  and
• 39:10
  try
• 39:10
  to
• 39:10
  see
• 39:11
  from
• 39:11
  their
• 39:11
  perspective.
• 39:12
  And
• 39:13
  I
• 39:13
  think
• 39:13
  it's
• 39:13
  hard,
• 39:13
  it's
• 39:14
  hard
• 39:14
  to
• 39:14
  hate
• 39:14
  up
• 39:14
  close
• 39:16
  with
• 39:17
  those,
• 39:17
  those
• 39:17
  in
• 39:17
  front
• 39:17
  of
• 39:18
  you.
• 39:19
  All
• 39:20
  right,
• 39:20
  Andy,
• 39:20
  time
• 39:21
  to
• 39:21
  wrap
• 39:21
  this
• 39:21
  thing
• 39:22
  up.
• 39:23
  We
• 39:23
  are
• 39:23
  going
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  have
• 39:24
  an
• 39:24
  extra
• 39:24
  question
• 39:24
  we're
• 39:25
  going
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  share
• 39:25
  here
• 39:25
  in
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  minute
• 39:26
  that
• 39:26
  we
• 39:26
  hope
• 39:26
  that
• 39:27
  Patreons
• 39:27
  can,
• 39:28
  can,
• 39:28
  can
• 39:29
  go
• 39:29
  on
• 39:29
  there
• 39:29
  and
• 39:30
  listen
• 39:30
  to.
• 39:31
  But
• 39:31
  before
• 39:32
  we
• 39:32
  head
• 39:32
  out,
• 39:32
  some
• 39:33
  recommendations.
• 39:33
  Anything
• 39:34
  we've
• 39:34
  talked
• 39:34
  about
• 39:35
  tonight,
• 39:36
  or
• 39:36
  perhaps
• 39:37
  there's
• 39:37
  something
• 39:37
  else
• 39:38
  out
• 39:38
  there
• 39:38
  you
• 39:38
  want
• 39:38
  to
• 39:38
  recommend
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  folks
• 39:39
  to
• 39:39
  go
• 39:39
  deeper
• 39:40
  or
• 39:40
  just
• 39:40
  to
• 39:40
  geek
• 39:41
  out
• 39:41
  on.
• 39:41
  What
• 39:41
  are
• 39:41
  some
• 39:41
  recommendations
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  have?
• 39:43
  Yeah,
• 39:43
  so
• 39:44
  another
• 39:45
  story
• 39:45
  where
• 39:46
  there's
• 39:47
  kind
• 39:47
  of
• 39:47
  this
• 39:47
  intersection
• 39:47
  of
• 39:48
  science
• 39:48
  and
• 39:48
  magic,
• 39:48
  and
• 39:49
  is
• 39:49
  it
• 39:49
  magic
• 39:49
  or
• 39:49
  is
• 39:49
  it
• 39:50
  just
• 39:50
  applied
• 39:50
  science
• 39:51
  in
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  different
• 39:52
  way
• 39:53
  is
• 39:54
  the
• 39:55
  book
• 39:56
  by
• 39:56
  Neal
• 39:57
  Stephenson
• 39:58
  and
• 39:58
  Nicole
• 40:00
  Galland,
• 40:01
  or
• 40:01
  Galland,
• 40:01
  I'm
• 40:01
  not
• 40:02
  sure,
• 40:02
  called
• 40:03
  the
• 40:03
  Rise
• 40:03
  and
• 40:03
  Fall
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  Dodo.
• 40:05
  And
• 40:05
  then
• 40:06
  Nicole
• 40:07
  Galland
• 40:08
  wrote
• 40:08
  a
• 40:08
  follow
• 40:08
  up
• 40:08
  to
• 40:09
  that
• 40:09
  called
• 40:09
  the
• 40:09
  Master
• 40:09
  of
• 40:09
  Rebels.
• 40:10
  But
• 40:11
  they
• 40:11
  are,
• 40:11
  they're
• 40:11
  time
• 40:12
  travel
• 40:12
  stories.
• 40:13
  They're
• 40:13
  also
• 40:14
  kind
• 40:14
  of
• 40:14
  multiverse
• 40:14
  stories
• 40:15
  because
• 40:15
  they're
• 40:15
  basically
• 40:16
  going
• 40:16
  and
• 40:17
  finding.
• 40:17
  It's
• 40:17
  about
• 40:17
  finding
• 40:18
  different
• 40:18
  strands
• 40:18
  of
• 40:18
  the
• 40:19
  timeline
• 40:19
  and
• 40:20
  encouraging
• 40:22
  different
• 40:22
  events
• 40:23
  and
• 40:23
  different
• 40:23
  strands
• 40:24
  so
• 40:24
  that
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  majority
• 40:25
  of
• 40:25
  the
• 40:25
  strands
• 40:25
  turn
• 40:25
  out
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  certain
• 40:26
  way.
• 40:26
  And
• 40:26
  so
• 40:27
  being
• 40:27
  able
• 40:27
  to
• 40:28
  find.
• 40:31
  The.
• 40:31
  Right
• 40:31
  timeline
• 40:33
  involves
• 40:35
  what
• 40:35
  they
• 40:35
  describe
• 40:36
  as
• 40:36
  magic.
• 40:36
  So
• 40:36
  there
• 40:37
  are
• 40:37
  these
• 40:37
  people
• 40:37
  that
• 40:38
  kind
• 40:38
  of
• 40:38
  use
• 40:38
  magic
• 40:38
  to
• 40:39
  sort
• 40:39
  of
• 40:39
  intuitively
• 40:39
  figure
• 40:40
  out
• 40:41
  the
• 40:41
  math
• 40:42
  of
• 40:43
  the
• 40:43
  timelines
• 40:43
  and
• 40:43
  where
• 40:44
  they
• 40:44
  need
• 40:44
  to
• 40:44
  wind
• 40:44
  up
• 40:44
  back
• 40:45
  in
• 40:45
  time
• 40:45
  to
• 40:45
  get
• 40:46
  the
• 40:46
  results
• 40:46
  that
• 40:46
  they're
• 40:46
  trying
• 40:47
  to
• 40:47
  achieve
• 40:48
  in
• 40:48
  the
• 40:48
  present.
• 40:48
  They're
• 40:49
  sort
• 40:49
  of
• 40:49
  tinkering
• 40:49
  with
• 40:49
  the
• 40:49
  past
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  get
• 40:51
  better
• 40:51
  outcomes
• 40:51
  in
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  present
• 40:52
  or
• 40:52
  desired
• 40:53
  outcomes
• 40:53
  in
• 40:53
  the
• 40:53
  present.
• 40:54
  And
• 40:55
  so,
• 40:56
  yeah,
• 40:56
  there's
• 40:56
  some
• 40:56
  of
• 40:56
  that
• 40:56
  interesting
• 40:57
  interplay
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  is
• 40:59
  it
• 40:59
  science,
• 40:59
  Is
• 40:59
  it
• 40:59
  magic?
• 41:00
  There's
• 41:01
  cool
• 41:01
  time
• 41:01
  travel.
• 41:02
  There's
• 41:02
  a
• 41:02
  lot
• 41:02
  of
• 41:03
  neat
• 41:03
  learning
• 41:04
  about
• 41:05
  neat
• 41:05
  things
• 41:06
  to
• 41:06
  learn
• 41:06
  about
• 41:06
  the
• 41:07
  particular
• 41:07
  time
• 41:08
  periods
• 41:09
  that
• 41:09
  they
• 41:09
  focus
• 41:09
  on.
• 41:10
  Neal
• 41:10
  Stephenson
• 41:11
  is
• 41:13
  a
• 41:13
  research
• 41:13
  monster,
• 41:15
  puts
• 41:16
  all
• 41:16
  kinds
• 41:16
  of
• 41:16
  details
• 41:16
  into
• 41:17
  his
• 41:18
  historical
• 41:18
  fiction
• 41:19
  type
• 41:19
  books.
• 41:19
  And
• 41:20
  so,
• 41:20
  yeah,
• 41:21
  there's
• 41:21
  a
• 41:22
  lot
• 41:22
  of
• 41:22
  cool
• 41:22
  things
• 41:22
  in
• 41:23
  those
• 41:23
  books.
• 41:23
  And
• 41:23
  so
• 41:24
  if
• 41:24
  you're
• 41:24
  interested
• 41:24
  in
• 41:24
  this
• 41:25
  in
• 41:25
  Getting
• 41:26
  a
• 41:26
  little
• 41:26
  bit
• 41:26
  of
• 41:26
  magic
• 41:26
  in
• 41:26
  your
• 41:26
  science,
• 41:27
  or
• 41:27
  science
• 41:27
  in
• 41:27
  your
• 41:27
  magic.
• 41:28
  I
• 41:28
  think
• 41:28
  that's
• 41:28
  a
• 41:29
  good
• 41:29
  place
• 41:29
  to
• 41:29
  do
• 41:29
  that.
• 41:30
  That's
• 41:31
  off
• 41:31
  the
• 41:31
  beaten
• 41:31
  track.
• 41:32
  Yeah,
• 41:32
  I
• 41:33
  wrote
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  down.
• 41:33
  That's
• 41:33
  cool.
• 41:34
  Have
• 41:34
  you
• 41:34
  ever
• 41:34
  heard
• 41:34
  of
• 41:34
  the
• 41:35
  book
• 41:35
  this
• 41:36
  Is
• 41:36
  how
• 41:36
  youw
• 41:36
  Lose
• 41:36
  the
• 41:37
  Time
• 41:37
  War?
• 41:37
  Not
• 41:38
  only
• 41:38
  have
• 41:38
  I
• 41:38
  heard
• 41:38
  of
• 41:39
  it,
• 41:39
  but
• 41:39
  I
• 41:39
  just
• 41:39
  read
• 41:39
  it
• 41:40
  recently.
• 41:40
  Oh,
• 41:41
  man.
• 41:41
  So
• 41:41
  good.
• 41:42
  That's
• 41:42
  a
• 41:42
  whole
• 41:42
  nother.
• 41:43
  I
• 41:43
  was
• 41:43
  just
• 41:44
  talking
• 41:44
  about
• 41:44
  Enchantment.
• 41:45
  Just
• 41:45
  enchanted
• 41:46
  with
• 41:46
  this
• 41:46
  story
• 41:47
  and
• 41:47
  loved
• 41:47
  it
• 41:47
  so
• 41:47
  much.
• 41:48
  And
• 41:48
  another
• 41:49
  time
• 41:49
  travel
• 41:49
  time
• 41:50
  war
• 41:50
  story.
• 41:50
  We'll
• 41:51
  have
• 41:51
  to
• 41:51
  talk
• 41:51
  about
• 41:51
  that
• 41:51
  on
• 41:52
  another
• 41:52
  podcast.
• 41:52
  But,
• 41:52
  man,
• 41:53
  that
• 41:53
  book
• 41:53
  is
• 41:54
  absolutely
• 41:54
  beautiful,
• 41:55
  and
• 41:56
  my
• 41:56
  daughter
• 41:57
  recommended
• 41:57
  that
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  me,
• 41:57
  and
• 41:58
  I
• 41:58
  couldn't
• 41:58
  put
• 41:58
  it
• 41:58
  down.
• 41:59
  Every
• 41:59
  sentence
• 42:00
  is
• 42:00
  beautifully
• 42:00
  written.
• 42:01
  Very,
• 42:01
  very
• 42:01
  good.
• 42:03
  Oh,
• 42:04
  spoilers.
• 42:04
  Did
• 42:04
  you
• 42:05
  like
• 42:05
  it,
• 42:05
  Andy?
• 42:05
  Did
• 42:05
  you
• 42:05
  like
• 42:06
  that
• 42:06
  book?
• 42:06
  Do
• 42:06
  you
• 42:06
  like
• 42:06
  that
• 42:07
  book?
• 42:07
  I
• 42:07
  did,
• 42:08
  yeah.
• 42:09
  It.
• 42:09
  You
• 42:09
  know,
• 42:10
  I
• 42:10
  don't
• 42:10
  know
• 42:10
  that
• 42:10
  I
• 42:10
  was
• 42:10
  necessarily
• 42:11
  as
• 42:11
  enchanted
• 42:11
  with
• 42:11
  it
• 42:12
  as
• 42:12
  some
• 42:12
  of
• 42:12
  the
• 42:12
  people
• 42:12
  that
• 42:12
  recommended
• 42:13
  it
• 42:13
  to
• 42:13
  me,
• 42:13
  but
• 42:13
  it's
• 42:14
  certainly
• 42:14
  very
• 42:14
  well
• 42:14
  done
• 42:15
  and,
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  know,
• 42:16
  very
• 42:17
  poetic.
• 42:18
  You
• 42:18
  know,
• 42:19
  it's.
• 42:19
  It's
• 42:19
  not
• 42:19
  a.
• 42:20
  It's
• 42:20
  not
• 42:21
  quite
• 42:21
  as
• 42:22
  straightforward
• 42:22
  of
• 42:23
  a
• 42:23
  narrative.
• 42:23
  You
• 42:23
  know,
• 42:24
  it's
• 42:24
  a
• 42:24
  very
• 42:24
  interesting
• 42:24
  kind
• 42:24
  of
• 42:25
  stylus
• 42:26
  approach,
• 42:26
  and
• 42:26
  it's
• 42:26
  actually
• 42:26
  written
• 42:26
  by
• 42:27
  two
• 42:27
  different
• 42:27
  people,
• 42:27
  and
• 42:28
  so
• 42:28
  it's
• 42:29
  a
• 42:29
  series
• 42:29
  of
• 42:29
  letters
• 42:30
  kind
• 42:30
  of
• 42:30
  going
• 42:30
  back
• 42:30
  and
• 42:30
  forth.
• 42:30
  And
• 42:31
  so
• 42:31
  I
• 42:31
  think
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  two
• 42:31
  of
• 42:31
  them
• 42:32
  sort
• 42:32
  of
• 42:33
  alternated
• 42:34
  who
• 42:34
  was
• 42:34
  writing,
• 42:35
  you
• 42:35
  know,
• 42:36
  writing
• 42:36
  in
• 42:36
  the
• 42:36
  different
• 42:36
  characters.
• 42:37
  So
• 42:37
  that's
• 42:38
  an
• 42:38
  interesting
• 42:38
  structure.
• 42:40
  You
• 42:40
  know,
• 42:41
  I
• 42:41
  think
• 42:41
  there's
• 42:42
  a
• 42:42
  twist
• 42:42
  that
• 42:42
  I
• 42:43
  thought
• 42:44
  was
• 42:44
  a
• 42:44
  little
• 42:44
  bit
• 42:44
  more
• 42:45
  obvious
• 42:45
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• 42:45
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• 42:45
  think
• 42:46
  it
• 42:46
  was
• 42:46
  supposed
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  seem,
• 42:48
  but
• 42:48
  maybe
• 42:48
  that's
• 42:48
  just
• 42:48
  because
• 42:48
  I've
• 42:49
  read
• 42:49
  too
• 42:49
  many
• 42:49
  time
• 42:49
  travel
• 42:50
  stories.
• 42:50
  There
• 42:50
  you
• 42:50
  go.
• 42:52
  But,
• 42:52
  yeah,
• 42:52
  no,
• 42:52
  very,
• 42:52
  very
• 42:53
  well
• 42:53
  done.
• 42:53
  And,
• 42:54
  you
• 42:54
  know,
• 42:54
  a
• 42:54
  quick.
• 42:55
  A
• 42:55
  quick
• 42:55
  read.
• 42:55
  So,
• 42:55
  you
• 42:56
  know,
• 42:56
  worth
• 42:56
  giving
• 42:56
  it.
• 42:56
  Giving
• 42:57
  a
• 42:57
  try.
• 42:57
  Yeah.
• 42:58
  Agree.
• 42:58
  Cool.
• 42:59
  My
• 42:59
  recommendation,
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  know,
• 43:00
  I
• 43:00
  just
• 43:00
  interviewed
• 43:01
  John
• 43:01
  hendricks
• 43:02
  on
• 43:02
  our
• 43:02
  YouTube
• 43:04
  channel,
• 43:05
  who
• 43:05
  wrote
• 43:05
  the
• 43:05
  Myth
• 43:05
  Makers
• 43:06
  about
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  friendship
• 43:07
  of
• 43:09
  Tolkien
• 43:09
  and
• 43:10
  C.S.
• 43:10
  lewis.
• 43:11
  And
• 43:11
  that
• 43:12
  book
• 43:13
  inspired
• 43:13
  me
• 43:13
  to
• 43:14
  read
• 43:14
  more
• 43:15
  of
• 43:15
  Tolkien
• 43:16
  and
• 43:16
  Lewis
• 43:17
  in
• 43:17
  their
• 43:17
  own
• 43:18
  voice
• 43:18
  and
• 43:18
  language.
• 43:19
  It's
• 43:19
  been
• 43:19
  a
• 43:19
  while.
• 43:19
  Like,
• 43:20
  I've
• 43:20
  read
• 43:20
  all
• 43:20
  their
• 43:20
  books,
• 43:21
  but
• 43:21
  it's
• 43:21
  been
• 43:22
  a
• 43:22
  while
• 43:22
  since
• 43:22
  I've
• 43:22
  read
• 43:22
  them.
• 43:23
  And
• 43:23
  after
• 43:23
  reading
• 43:23
  the
• 43:23
  Myth
• 43:24
  Makers,
• 43:24
  wanted
• 43:24
  to
• 43:24
  go
• 43:24
  back
• 43:25
  and
• 43:25
  read
• 43:26
  some
• 43:26
  of
• 43:26
  the
• 43:26
  Hobbit
• 43:27
  and
• 43:27
  Lord
• 43:27
  of
• 43:27
  the
• 43:27
  Rings
• 43:28
  and
• 43:29
  found
• 43:30
  a
• 43:30
  copy.
• 43:31
  I
• 43:31
  don't
• 43:31
  know
• 43:32
  if
• 43:32
  my
• 43:32
  dad
• 43:32
  read
• 43:32
  or
• 43:32
  not,
• 43:33
  but
• 43:33
  as
• 43:34
  we're
• 43:34
  cleaning
• 43:34
  out
• 43:34
  some
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  my
• 43:34
  dad's
• 43:35
  stuff
• 43:35
  with
• 43:35
  him
• 43:35
  passing
• 43:36
  away,
• 43:36
  found
• 43:36
  a
• 43:37
  copy
• 43:37
  of
• 43:37
  Mere
• 43:37
  Christianity
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  I.
• 43:39
  I
• 43:39
  think
• 43:39
  I
• 43:39
  bought
• 43:39
  him.
• 43:40
  Like
• 43:40
  it
• 43:40
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• 43:41
  in
• 43:41
  there.
• 43:41
  Merry
• 43:41
  Christmas
• 43:41
  2005.
• 43:42
  Don't
• 43:43
  know
• 43:43
  if
• 43:43
  he
• 43:43
  ever
• 43:43
  read
• 43:43
  it,
• 43:43
  but
• 43:44
  it
• 43:44
  was
• 43:44
  beside
• 43:45
  his
• 43:45
  chair
• 43:45
  and
• 43:45
  I
• 43:46
  was
• 43:46
  like,
• 43:46
  oh
• 43:46
  wow,
• 43:46
  it's
• 43:46
  right
• 43:47
  there.
• 43:47
  And
• 43:47
  so
• 43:47
  I
• 43:48
  grabbed
• 43:48
  it
• 43:49
  and,
• 43:49
  and
• 43:49
  I
• 43:50
  just
• 43:50
  started
• 43:50
  reading
• 43:50
  it.
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  was
• 43:50
  like,
• 43:51
  I
• 43:51
  just
• 43:51
  did
• 43:51
  this
• 43:51
  interview
• 43:52
  talking
• 43:52
  about
• 43:53
  the
• 43:53
  friendship
• 43:53
  of
• 43:53
  Tolkien
• 43:54
  and
• 43:54
  C.S.
• 43:54
  lewis.
• 43:54
  And
• 43:54
  so
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  was
• 43:55
  like,
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  haven't
• 43:55
  read
• 43:55
  this
• 43:55
  book
• 43:56
  in
• 43:56
  a
• 43:56
  really
• 43:56
  long
• 43:56
  time.
• 43:57
  It's,
• 43:58
  it's
• 43:58
  definitely
• 43:59
  foundational
• 43:59
  for
• 44:00
  me
• 44:00
  in
• 44:00
  terms
• 44:00
  of
• 44:01
  capturing
• 44:01
  my
• 44:01
  imagination
• 44:02
  and
• 44:02
  love
• 44:02
  of
• 44:03
  theology.
• 44:03
  But
• 44:03
  it's
• 44:03
  been
• 44:03
  a
• 44:03
  while
• 44:03
  since
• 44:04
  I
• 44:04
  read
• 44:04
  the
• 44:04
  book
• 44:04
  and
• 44:04
  so
• 44:04
  I,
• 44:05
  I
• 44:05
  picked
• 44:05
  up
• 44:05
  and
• 44:05
  started
• 44:05
  reading
• 44:06
  again
• 44:06
  and
• 44:06
  it's
• 44:06
  just
• 44:06
  so.
• 44:07
  I
• 44:08
  just
• 44:08
  love
• 44:08
  CS
• 44:08
  Lewis's
• 44:09
  voice
• 44:10
  and
• 44:10
  how
• 44:10
  he
• 44:11
  writes
• 44:12
  and
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:14
  I'm
• 44:14
  at
• 44:14
  a
• 44:14
  different
• 44:14
  stage
• 44:15
  of
• 44:15
  my
• 44:15
  life
• 44:15
  in
• 44:15
  faith
• 44:15
  reading
• 44:16
  this
• 44:16
  book
• 44:16
  and
• 44:16
  kind
• 44:16
  of
• 44:16
  thinking,
• 44:17
  hearing
• 44:17
  his
• 44:17
  arguments
• 44:18
  but,
• 44:19
  or
• 44:19
  case
• 44:20
  for
• 44:20
  Christianity,
• 44:21
  but
• 44:21
  hearing
• 44:22
  his
• 44:22
  voice
• 44:22
  and
• 44:23
  how
• 44:23
  he
• 44:23
  writes
• 44:24
  on
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  page
• 44:26
  I
• 44:26
  think
• 44:26
  is
• 44:27
  so
• 44:27
  good.
• 44:27
  So
• 44:27
  my
• 44:27
  recommendation,
• 44:28
  if
• 44:28
  you
• 44:28
  haven't
• 44:28
  read
• 44:29
  one
• 44:29
  of
• 44:29
  their
• 44:29
  books
• 44:29
  in
• 44:29
  a
• 44:30
  long
• 44:30
  time,
• 44:30
  pick
• 44:30
  it
• 44:30
  up
• 44:31
  again.
• 44:31
  I
• 44:31
  love
• 44:32
  it.
• 44:32
  That
• 44:33
  Tolkien
• 44:34
  and
• 44:34
  C.S.
• 44:34
  lewis
• 44:35
  were
• 44:35
  systematic
• 44:36
  ecologists.
• 44:36
  They
• 44:37
  gathered
• 44:37
  together
• 44:37
  and
• 44:37
  talked
• 44:37
  about
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  things
• 44:38
  they
• 44:38
  geeked
• 44:38
  out
• 44:39
  on
• 44:39
  and
• 44:40
  that
• 44:41
  Mere
• 44:41
  Christianity
• 44:42
  was
• 44:43
  basically
• 44:43
  BBC
• 44:43
  radio
• 44:44
  broadcast.
• 44:44
  So
• 44:44
  basically
• 44:45
  he
• 44:45
  was
• 44:45
  podcasting
• 44:46
  some
• 44:46
  of
• 44:46
  his
• 44:47
  thoughts
• 44:47
  and
• 44:47
  here
• 44:47
  we
• 44:47
  are
• 44:48
  doing
• 44:48
  the
• 44:48
  same
• 44:48
  things
• 44:48
  that
• 44:48
  he
• 44:49
  was
• 44:49
  doing
• 44:49
  way
• 44:49
  back
• 44:49
  then.
• 44:50
  So
• 44:50
  those
• 44:51
  are
• 44:51
  our
• 44:51
  recommendations
• 44:52
  again
• 44:53
  folks.
• 44:53
  Rate
• 44:54
  and
• 44:54
  review
• 44:55
  the
• 44:55
  show,
• 44:56
  share,
• 44:56
  share
• 44:56
  and
• 44:57
  support.
• 44:59
  And
• 44:59
  and
• 44:59
  you
• 44:59
  get
• 44:59
  an
• 45:00
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• 45:00
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• 45:00
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• 45:00
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• 45:01
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• 45:01
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• 45:02
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• 45:02
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• 45:04
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• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:06
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• 45:06
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• 45:06
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• 45:06
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• 45:07
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• 45:07
  getting
• 45:07
  ready
• 45:07
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• 45:07
  ask
• 45:08
  Andy.
• 45:08
  Okay,
• 45:10
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• 45:11
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• 45:11
  you
• 45:11
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• 45:12
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• 45:12
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• 45:12
  expert
• 45:12
  in
• 45:13
  any
• 45:13
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• 45:13
  of
• 45:13
  science,
• 45:14
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• 45:14
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• 45:14
  one
• 45:15
  you're
• 45:15
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• 45:15
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• 45:16
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• 45:16
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• 45:17
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• 45:17
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• 45:17
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• 45:17
  be?
• 45:17
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• 45:18
  you
• 45:18
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• 45:18
  to
• 45:18
  choose
• 45:18
  another
• 45:18
  science
• 45:19
  and
• 45:20
  if
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  could
• 45:20
  live
• 45:21
  in
• 45:21
  any
• 45:22
  magic
• 45:23
  based
• 45:24
  fandom,
• 45:24
  what
• 45:25
  would
• 45:25
  it
• 45:25
  be?
• 45:25
  And
• 45:25
  I'll
• 45:26
  answer
• 45:26
  the
• 45:26
  same.
• 45:26
  I'm
• 45:27
  not
• 45:27
  an
• 45:27
  expert
• 45:27
  in
• 45:27
  science,
• 45:28
  but
• 45:28
  if
• 45:28
  I
• 45:28
  could
• 45:28
  be,
• 45:28
  I
• 45:28
  know
• 45:29
  my
• 45:29
  answer
• 45:29
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• 45:30
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• 45:30
  will
• 45:30
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• 45:30
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• 45:30
  in
• 45:31
  a
• 45:31
  little
• 45:31
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• 45:31
  And
• 45:31
  I
• 45:31
  know
• 45:32
  which
• 45:32
  realm
• 45:32
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• 45:32
  I
• 45:32
  would
• 45:33
  want
• 45:33
  to
• 45:33
  be
• 45:33
  in.
• 45:33
  A
• 45:34
  magic
• 45:34
  built,
• 45:35
  magic
• 45:36
  based
• 45:36
  fandom
• 45:37
  realm.
• 45:38
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• 45:38
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• 45:39
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• 45:51
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• 45:51
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• 45:51
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• 45:53
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• 45:54
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• 45:56
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