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Bonus Episode: Overrated Authors, a Boy Scout Knife, and I Can Get the Cabin · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey Disco's You can listen to an extended version of
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  Speaker 1: Hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland the after Party. All right, Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland bonus episode. This, as you know, is a little
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  Speaker 1: thing that we like to call the after party. This
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  Speaker 1: is the show after the show, the party after the show,
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  Speaker 1: the bridge to get you from one full episode of
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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt.
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  Speaker 1: On this episode, we are talking about our new story
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  Speaker 1: on william S Burrows that hit your feeds this week.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the sources that we used for this
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  Speaker 1: story helped us uncover some wild news about another.
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  Speaker 2: Murder that we did not have the time to include
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  Speaker 2: in this actual episode.
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  Speaker 1: And of course your voicemails and texts and as always,
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. All right, this goes, Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it. I thought I was onto something secret
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  Speaker 1: and dangerous that no other fifteen year old knew about.
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  Speaker 1: There it was right there, out in the open, on
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  Speaker 1: the bookshelf in the back of the Harvard Square Newbery Comics,
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  Speaker 1: the very same place that I'd heard the Pixies for
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  Speaker 1: the first time. This is a safe space for me.
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  Speaker 1: This is the very same place where I purchased Jack
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  Speaker 1: Kerouacs on the road. Of course, they would sell this book,
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  Speaker 1: the one I was sure that no one on the
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  Speaker 1: planet had even heard about but me. Junkie by william
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  Speaker 1: S Burrows.
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  Speaker 2: And this was before Kirk Cobain had made Burrows known
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  Speaker 2: more widely to my generation, and before I was conscious
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  Speaker 2: enough to know that other rock and roll luminaries like
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  Speaker 2: David Bowie and Debbie Harry and Madonna and many, many,
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  Speaker 2: many many more had sought out and received some sort
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  Speaker 2: of creative relativism from the beat writer that transcended generations.
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  Speaker 1: William S Burrows. The book scared me before I even
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  Speaker 1: opened it. I knew it was about Heroin, of course,
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  Speaker 1: or more to the point, I knew it was about
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  Speaker 1: a person's experience as well addicted to heroin. I was
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  Speaker 1: afraid the book was going to make me want to
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  Speaker 1: try heroin.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, it did the opposite. I didn't love the book.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not sure I liked it at all.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't enjoyable to read to this day. I can't
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  Speaker 1: really remember much of it, and what I do remember,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I might be confusing with Burrows's other book,
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  Speaker 1: Naked Lunch. William S Burrows was considered one of the
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  Speaker 1: beat writers, and he certainly was, but in retrospect that
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  Speaker 1: label doesn't seem entirely accurate. Sure, Burrows ran with and
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  Speaker 1: worked with within a circle, I should say, for a
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  Speaker 1: time within that beat circle, but zoomed out. Now with
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of historical context, Williams Burrows seems like some
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  Speaker 1: weird Midwest type of beat mascot. And that's to say
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  Speaker 1: nothing negative about the Midwest. It's more about him and
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  Speaker 1: who he was now. On the other hand, Burrows lived
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  Speaker 1: the life that he wrote about. His addictions defined him
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  Speaker 1: even more than his transgressions, which is kind of saying
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. But not when you're talking about murder
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  Speaker 1: or manslaughter. As the transgressions go. Is it only manslaughter
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  Speaker 1: when you shoot your wife in the head on accident?
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  Speaker 1: Not purely by accident, but when playing a game of
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  Speaker 1: William Tell The risk is so monumentally fucking stupid that
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there should be a step up from manslaughter,
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  Speaker 1: some charge greater than manslaughter that says, this wasn't purely
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  Speaker 1: an accident, and you didn't really intend on killing your wife,
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  Speaker 1: but you did know she could very easily die for
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  Speaker 1: your stupidity. So you're not getting the chair, but you
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  Speaker 1: are getting twenty five to life something like that.
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  Speaker 2: WILLIAMS.
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  Speaker 1: Burrow's got neither. He got off completely pretty much. And
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he killed his wife isn't even in
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  Speaker 1: the first half of his Wikipedia, but his addiction is.
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  Speaker 1: And that addiction, like I mentioned, defines his creative output,
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  Speaker 1: which now as an adult, is kind of gross to me.
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  Speaker 1: But why was I so drawn to it as a teenager?
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  Speaker 1: Is it just the moth to the dangerous flame thing?
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  Speaker 1: Is it that simple, the attraction to the illicit? It
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  Speaker 1: sounds so stupid when I say it out loud, so pointless.
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  Speaker 1: Then again, WILLIAMS. Burrows was a degenerate junkie and he
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  Speaker 1: wrote his truth. And the fact that he actually got
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  Speaker 1: it all down on the page, with of course the
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  Speaker 1: help of his more productive, career minded and generous friends,
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  Speaker 1: Jack carrowac and Allen Ginsburg. The fact that Burrows wrote
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  Speaker 1: anything at all something that many clear minded people try
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  Speaker 1: to do and never succeed at never mind those with
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  Speaker 1: debilitating drug addictions. The fact that Burrows wrote anything at
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  Speaker 1: all says something, I guess, But what does it say?
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  Speaker 1: What does it say about me? Who was enamored of
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  Speaker 1: the myth of william S Burrows when I was fifteen?
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  Speaker 1: Was I just rewarding the effort? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Was this what Kurt Cobain and the rest of them
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  Speaker 1: were drawn to as well with Burrows? Or was it
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  Speaker 1: the actual writing of william S Burrows. Art is subjective,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard for anyone to know. But Burrows is writing.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't breathe the same air as Jack Kerouac's novels
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  Speaker 1: or Alan Ginsberg's poetry, not to me anyway, And there
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  Speaker 1: are worse things I guess to be into as a
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  Speaker 1: fifteen year old than Junkie on the bubble beat writers.
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  Speaker 1: But then again, I wasn't really into it in retrospect.
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  Speaker 1: I was just trying on a shirt. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: looked good on the rack, but it turns out it
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  Speaker 1: didn't fit well, or at least not as well as
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  Speaker 1: some others that were similar Junkie. The book that I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about was heavily censored when it was first published
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties.
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  Speaker 2: When it was.
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  Speaker 1: Republished in the late seventies, it was published in its
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  Speaker 1: original form. That's the edition that I read, the uncensored version. Now,
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  Speaker 1: censorship in any form is ridiculous. There's a time and
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  Speaker 1: place for everything, sure, and not every child should be
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  Speaker 1: exposed to everything. That's not what I'm saying. But the
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  Speaker 1: bookshelf at the Harvard Square Newbury Comics sometime in the
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  Speaker 1: early nineties seems as good a place as any to
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  Speaker 1: fuck around and find out if junkie authors are your
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  Speaker 1: thing or not. It turns out for me they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really think they're anybody's thing. I think william
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  Speaker 1: S Burrows is overrated. There I said it. I think
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Cobaine, David Bowie, the rest of them. They were
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  Speaker 1: chasing an image, a vibe, a myth, some shine off
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  Speaker 1: of a living icon who'd miraculously outlived as shelf life.
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  Speaker 1: Which icons, living or dead do you think are overrated?
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  Speaker 1: It could be anyone, writers, musicians, filmmakers. There are no
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  Speaker 1: sacred cows, Williams Burrows, Beyonce, Quentin Tarantino, Jack White, who
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  Speaker 1: which giant artist comes out with something new? The Internet
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  Speaker 1: freaks out and you sit there going I just don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. Six one seven nine oh six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight to let me know via voicemail or text.
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  Speaker 1: Which icons from the world of art, entertainment, history, true crime,
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  Speaker 1: whatever do you think are overrated.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be back in a flash. All right, we are back.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk for a minute here about the sources that
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  Speaker 1: we used for this week's episode on William S Burrows.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a disco you know or you like to know,
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing, right, I know you guys dive deep.
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  Speaker 1: You want to know where I'm getting the information for
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  Speaker 1: the episodes. This is the part of the bonus episode
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  Speaker 1: where we fill you in on these sources.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Of course, there.
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  Speaker 1: Are books that William S Burrows himself wrote, classics of
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  Speaker 1: the so called beat generation that I was mentioning before.
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  Speaker 1: These classics being Junkie and Naked Lunch. Right, those are
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  Speaker 1: the two Burrows books. You're going to want to read
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  Speaker 1: those if you're curious about this guy's writing, or at
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  Speaker 1: least sample them. Okay, I'm not recommending these books after
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  Speaker 1: I just said the guy was overrated, but you get
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. These are the two sort of pillars
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  Speaker 1: of william S Burrows's creative output. There's also a collection
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  Speaker 1: of his letters, a book called The Letters of William S.
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  Speaker 1: Burrows nineteen forty five to nineteen fifty nine, which, as
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  Speaker 1: you know if you've heard this episode that we just did,
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  Speaker 1: these letters were super helpful to get inside Burrows's head
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  Speaker 1: for our editorial POV, because a lot of it is
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  Speaker 1: set during this time.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: There are two primary biographies that we use for our research,
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  Speaker 1: the first being Call Me Burrows, a Life by Barry Miles,
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  Speaker 1: and the second being Gentleman Junkie The Life and Legacy
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  Speaker 1: of william S Burrows by Graham Caviny. I hope I'm
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  Speaker 1: pronouncing that the correct way. Caviny c ave n e Y.
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  Speaker 1: These books helped us uncover all kinds of wild stories
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  Speaker 1: about how Willims Burrows left his wife and child behind
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  Speaker 1: to go hunt for Ohiahuasca in the jungle class Dad
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  Speaker 1: moved there, About how Burrows fought the Massachusetts Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: when his novel Naked Lunch was on trial for obscenity,
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  Speaker 1: and of course all about how long before WILLIAMS Burrows
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  Speaker 1: was the literary hero that he became known as he
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  Speaker 1: fatally shot his wife Joan Volmer in Mexico. We also
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of searching across the internet to help
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  Speaker 1: us find other stuff that wasn't necessarily in those books,
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  Speaker 1: whether other information that wasn't necessarily in those books, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's the Kurt Cobaine interview that we reference at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the episode. Sometimes these stories that come to
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  Speaker 1: light after those biographies were published. Perhaps the stories don't
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  Speaker 1: make them into the books for some reason. Sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: need stuff to help fill out our own editorial point
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  Speaker 1: of view, So of course, you know, we hit up
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  Speaker 1: the articles on the internet, whatever interviews we can find,
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  Speaker 1: videos with people, etc. One of those that we found
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  Speaker 1: online was told from Al Jurgensen of the Great Industrial
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  Speaker 1: Group Ministry, who I got to say, there's an Al
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  Speaker 1: Jorgenson episode coming for Disgrace, and at some point, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it'll be an all access thing. There
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  Speaker 1: are just so many fucking crazy stories about Al from
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  Speaker 1: his ministry days, and he's such an unreliable narrator that
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  Speaker 1: it kind of makes it even more interesting to try
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  Speaker 1: and figure out. Speaking of according to Al Jurgensen, he
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  Speaker 1: paid a visit to WILLIAMS Burrows at Burrows's place out
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  Speaker 1: in Lawrence, Kansas at this time. I believe this is
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  Speaker 1: in the early nineties. At this time, Williams Burrows is
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  Speaker 1: eighty years old, but despite his age, he's still filling
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  Speaker 1: himself up with heroin and he's shooting heroin with Al Jurgensen,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently, you know, the interesting thing here is he's
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  Speaker 1: using all this antiquated gear to shoot up this huge
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  Speaker 1: He's got this huge utility belt of syringes and all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff you would use in the nineteen fifties
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  Speaker 1: to do heroin he's still using in the nineties. And
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  Speaker 1: as they're you know, they're getting high. The story goes,
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  Speaker 1: Williams Burrows is opening a letter from President Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 1: inviting Burrows to come speak at the White House. Nuts,
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  Speaker 1: just nuts. I want to find out if this is true.
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  Speaker 1: This is according to Al Jurgenson and again unreliable narrator,
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  Speaker 1: but also according to Jurgensen, Burrows when he's opening the
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  Speaker 1: letter and reading it, he has no idea who Bill
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  Speaker 1: Clinton is. You know who the president is, who's in Congress,
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  Speaker 1: you know what teams in the Super Bowl that year,
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  Speaker 1: whatever's going on in the news overseas at home. Williams
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  Speaker 1: Burrows was clueless to it all, just living out his
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  Speaker 1: own secluded life out there in Kansas being visited by
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  Speaker 1: nineties rock stars just wild. Do you believe this story?
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  Speaker 1: Let me know six one seven, nine oh six, six
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  Speaker 1: sixty three eight. A couple of you have already hit
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  Speaker 1: me up on Instagram. A couple of you from Kansas
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  Speaker 1: who are old enough to have had run ins with
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  Speaker 1: William S Burrows back in the day. These are fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: It called me though, you know I got I got
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  Speaker 1: the DMS.
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  Speaker 2: But hit me up.
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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  Speaker 1: If you're listening, you know who you are. Hit me up,
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  Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail, or send me a text. I'll
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  Speaker 1: read them here in the after party. Six one seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. Also, of course,
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  Speaker 1: all you guys, as I just mentioned in the previous block,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear which icons from the world of arts, entertainment, history,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. Which icons do you think are overrated? Let
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  Speaker 1: me know six one seven, nine oh six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. You can send me a text, or you
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  Speaker 1: can leave me a voicemail, just like this listener from
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  Speaker 1: the five eight five.
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  Speaker 3: What up, Jake.
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  Speaker 4: This is Jen from the five eighty five and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A longtime listener. I love your show so well produced
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  Speaker 3: you do. That's a great job y'all do. And I
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  Speaker 3: just recently listened to the Adrian Shelley, which I she's
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  Speaker 3: obscure in a way that makes me love you even
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  Speaker 3: more than I thought I argue did so thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much. I watched the documentary that was about her
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  Speaker 3: and you know, just her so just the harowing demise
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  Speaker 3: that she had, and it was brilliant. And yours, your
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  Speaker 3: podcast is great and you did such a good job
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  Speaker 3: with the content and with her legacy and everything, and
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  Speaker 3: it was just really really moving and did a great
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  Speaker 3: job and you always do so anyway, I finally wanted
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  Speaker 3: to reach out and.
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  Speaker 4: Just say what up and good job.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you so much for all the wonderful content
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  Speaker 3: and I just love nerding out on all of the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the movies and the music and everything. So
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  Speaker 3: thanks for what you do.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you're doing well.
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  Speaker 1: Rock A Rola by Jan you were the best. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. I really appreciate you letting me and
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  Speaker 1: the team know.
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  Speaker 2: Soaked her into that episode. Thank you. Let's check out
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  Speaker 2: this voicemail from the seven to one to four yo Jake.
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  Speaker 4: Listening up to that episode about a serial killer. I
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  Speaker 4: think we all know the man has friends and low places.
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  Speaker 4: That's the taker trade his career.
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  Speaker 1: Yo seven one four. Yeah, just just to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't actually saying that Garth Brooks is a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: I was putting forth a theory by Tom Segurra I
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  Speaker 1: heard from Tom Securo, by the way, on the old
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  Speaker 1: Instagram after we released that episode. We did a little
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  Speaker 1: real about it as well, and he shared it, which
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  Speaker 1: I thought was pretty cool, and he thanked us for
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: doing the episode, which is awesome. But I asked you
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: guys in the last after party, which other musicians artists
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  Speaker 1: And this is done in jest. It was a joke,
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  Speaker 1: which other artist you think could possibly have the persona
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  Speaker 1: to be uh a serial killer? Who is it? Is
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  Speaker 1: it Kendrick Lamar? I don't think so, but some people
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  Speaker 1: are saying so right now.
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  Speaker 3: Not me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Let me you know. Six seven nine six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight three one oh comes in with this voicemail.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this is Ury.
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  Speaker 4: From this west of the four oh five. I have
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  Speaker 4: been at Garth Brooks fan since I was probably fourteen
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  Speaker 4: years old when his first two albums came out, and
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  Speaker 4: I loved the show. I thought it was great. I
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  Speaker 4: had never heard this before. I knew that it was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, based off of something else, but I still
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  Speaker 4: thought I had to listen through it all the way
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  Speaker 4: through to the end, and I loved how you took
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  Speaker 4: it all the way to the end until you told
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  Speaker 4: the story of where it came from. So excellent job.
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  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it. And you know, as far as
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  Speaker 4: another person who could be a serial killer, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to go with Wayne Newton, all right. Think about this.
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  Speaker 4: He keeps a low profile and he lives in the desert.
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  Speaker 4: You never see the man leave Bakers Why because bodies
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  Speaker 4: don't deteriorate in the desert. That's it. Thanks, man, have
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  Speaker 4: a good one three one zero.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the voicemail. I'm a little scared of your
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of what bodies do and don't do in the desert.
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  Speaker 1: In the desert, so you know, lose my number three
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  Speaker 1: one No, No, I'm kidding Wayne Newton. Have you, dude,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever seen pictures of Wayne Newton when he
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  Speaker 1: was a young artist. Wow, just amazing. I have no words.
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  Speaker 1: I have no words. Anyways, I'm glad the Garth Brooks fans,
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  Speaker 1: Doug the little piss we took out of Garth Brooks
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  Speaker 1: there in that in that episode. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do one more here before this topic goes dry.
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  Speaker 2: This one from the six to so four.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jake Jeff commenting on who is a serial killer?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: In uh? Music industry wise.
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  Speaker 4: More proved me wrong. He could see the guy just shot.
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  Speaker 1: People.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, fucking creepy, bullshit, pretentious body Dyer.
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  Speaker 3: He's a total serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, six o four Marsy as a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not something that strikes me as completely unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, Marcy is completely pretentious. And I spent a
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  Speaker 1: good part of my youth, probably when I was reading
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  Speaker 1: Junkie by William S. Burrows, hating on Marssey. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is I fucking love Marsey. I
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  Speaker 1: love his music. I love his solo music, I love
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  Speaker 1: the Smiths. I love how pretentious it is. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, I don't know. Give it
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  Speaker 1: another shot, that's all I'll say that's all. I'll say
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  Speaker 1: six to oh four. Think of it, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: now as I listened to at six oh four, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna be listening to it from from Marsey's point of
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  Speaker 1: view as a serial killer, and I guarantee you it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make me like it even more, all right, six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six, six six three. Voicemail and text.
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  Speaker 1: I did a lot of voicemails. Let's do some texts here,
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  Speaker 1: This one from the three oh three. Hey, maybe Garth
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  Speaker 1: Brooks is not a serial killer. Maybe one of his
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  Speaker 1: road crew is. Gotta consider all the possibilities. Yes, we do,
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  Speaker 1: three oh three. That seems like an obvious one. One
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  Speaker 1: that would have completely fucked up our story, which is
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  Speaker 1: why we did not consider it the five three zero rights.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And Hey, regarding serial killer music artists, here are a few.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Nick Cave, Britney Spears, Henry Rollins, and Aaron Neville. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through these first impressions. Nick Cave, No way,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Cave is a god fearing man in his bones.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that Britney Spears. Okay, Okay, you know I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: pausing and I'm thinking about Britney spears being a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: and I just don't think the uh, what is it
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the I'll put it, I'll put it nicely. I don't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: think the hard drive is there. If you know what
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Henry Rollins too obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And I believe Rollins is a good guy at heart.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Neville, I don't know what the fuck you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about with Aaron Neville. So write me back five three
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  Speaker 1: ozho and let me know, make the case that Aaron
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Neville is a serial killer. Lots of people, lots of people,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: lots of people writing in to say that Marilyn Manson
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  Speaker 1: is a serial killer. And you know it's a bit
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: too on the nose. If you're a serial killer, would
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you really go through life parading around as Marilyn Manson?
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  Speaker 1: But then again, maybe you just have insane hubris and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that's why you go around through life parading yourself as
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You might be onto something nine one nine rights saying, hey,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: just listen to the Steve McQueen episode, and I agree
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that he is at the pinnacle of cool. One I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: would put ahead and before him would have to be
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Humphrey Bogart cool before cool.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Was the word. I love that. I love that take.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It says not sure if McQueen was influenced by Bogey's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: laid back, give a fuck tough guy persona, but can't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: argue that they both had that presence in a fuck you,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it's my world, You're in it mindset. Wow, great take
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: nine one nine. I absolutely, one hundred percent believe that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: McQueen was influenced by Bogart, especially when it comes to cool.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And I love what you say there, cool before we
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: had a word for it. I get into this that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: concept actually in our Miles Davis episodes, and I get
• 21:06
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• 21:09
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• 21:12
  Speaker 1: deals with the birth of cool, so to speak. All Right,
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  Speaker 2: And now for my moment of bliss in honor.
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  Speaker 1: Of this week's episode on william S Burrows, me reading
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  Speaker 1: you the Kansas City, Kansas phone Book from nineteen fifty three.
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  Speaker 1: Albertson William nine eight one one East fifty ninth, Terras
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  Speaker 1: ninety five one zero seventy fifth. Quit talking and start mixing.