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Forgotten Worlds: George Howard on Catastrophe, Civilization & the New Evidence · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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Speaker 2: What I.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the occult rejects. Today we're joined by
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Speaker 1: George Howard, founder of the Cosmic Tusk, founder of Cosmic
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Speaker 1: Tusk Productions, and one of the driving forces behind bringing
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Speaker 1: the Younger Dryass impact hypothesis in Catastrophic Earth History into
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Speaker 1: the public conversation. For well over a decade, George has
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Speaker 1: connected scientists, independent researchers, archaeologists, and explorers through his writings, interviews,
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Speaker 1: field investigations, and the annual Cosmic Summit, creating a place
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Speaker 1: where some of the biggest questions about humanity's past can
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Speaker 1: actually be discussed across discipline. George has never been content
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Speaker 1: with simply repeating accepted history. Instead, he spent years asking
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Speaker 1: whether geology, archaeology, mythology, and ancient traditions are all preserving
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Speaker 1: different pieces of the same forgotten story. Whether the conversation
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Speaker 1: is about impact events, last civilizations, megalithic sites, or the
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Speaker 1: memories hidden between ancient myths. He's consistently challenged people to
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Speaker 1: look at the evidence with thresh eyes while asking bigger
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Speaker 1: questions about where our civilization really came from. Tonight we'll
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Speaker 1: be talking about the exciting launch of the new TNT network,
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Speaker 1: what people can expect from next year's Cosmic Summit, his
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Speaker 1: recent travels through Italy and Spain, the new wonder creative
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Speaker 1: paper and what it means for the younger, dryest debate,
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Speaker 1: and as always here on the Occult Rejects, will probably
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Speaker 1: wander into some consciousness, mythology, symbolism, and whether ancient traditions
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Speaker 1: may preserve memories that history has forgotten. But before we
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Speaker 1: introduce George, let me introduce the co host. And I
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Speaker 1: do have Brandon Magus I think joining us a little
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Speaker 1: bit later, but he's not here now. Judith the Loom,
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Speaker 1: please let everybody know what's up with you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me Cardinal, and thank you George.
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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what you're going to share
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Speaker 3: with us. Hi, everybody, and.
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Speaker 4: You could reach me at YouTube x and spreaker as
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Speaker 4: the Loon and hello to the chat.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for making you Judith, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: And again I just want to mention you know, Cosmic
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Speaker 1: Summit was the thing that I had went to where
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Speaker 1: I ended up meeting the dunking Dan and I got
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Speaker 1: I had got Ashton Forbes on. I've had Dan on
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Speaker 1: multiple times since then. So yeah, I mean I had
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Speaker 1: spoken about this plenty of times. I've had amazing guests
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Speaker 1: from it. And here's the man that helped put that
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Speaker 1: all together. George. Please thank you very much for coming
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Speaker 1: on the show. Let everybody thank you very much, Nick,
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Speaker 1: and thank you Len. And that's a very nice introduction, man,
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Speaker 1: I try no, no, no, no, no. I think it's
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Speaker 1: fairly accurate that I'm into a bunch of weird shit
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Speaker 1: just like y'all are. Hell yeah, that's the cosmic summit,
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Speaker 1: so much is right on my own.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome. Man. Well I
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Speaker 3: think we used up all the good stuff, just as
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Speaker 3: you always do when meeting new people you get along
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Speaker 3: with before we started filming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Well, I shouldn't rat you out as talking
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Speaker 3: too much before you start the record button you always
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Speaker 3: he did it ten minutes.
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Speaker 1: Agu all right, Yeah, I guess I mean pretty much
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Speaker 1: start with from that. Yeah, yeah, do you want anything
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Speaker 1: you want to promote? Before we did? Want to kind
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Speaker 1: of just get into.
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Speaker 3: How I'm not promote as much as just give people
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Speaker 3: reassurance those that are interested in the Cosmic Summit that
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Speaker 3: it's going to come back next year and we're going
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Speaker 3: to have it here in Raleigh, North Carolina. Yeah, and
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Speaker 3: a lot easier to fly into. Both Beckett and I
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Speaker 3: are here and Beckett Fusic runs Tighten Network, and hell,
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Speaker 3: it just completed today. The Cosmic Summit is now a
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Speaker 3: part of Titan Network and the brand has been purchased
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Speaker 3: and whatnot, and I'm now a part of this Titan
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Speaker 3: Network and that's an entirely new company that's more focused
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Speaker 3: on the digital side. But throwing conferences in some regards
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Speaker 3: is easy, particularly since we've done a few times now.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, so we're still gonna do a physical event.
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Speaker 3: We kind of skipped this year for some personal reasons,
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Speaker 3: which is okay, I just needed a break. And it
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Speaker 3: stressed the hell out of me, man, that conference, having
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Speaker 3: m I grew up here, and how hard it is
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Speaker 3: to do events, you know, generally from women. You know,
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Speaker 3: you're taking these women seriously because they're capable of like
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Speaker 3: this is hard to put together a wedding or whatever
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Speaker 3: it is. And god, they were right, okay, but so
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Speaker 3: it stressed me out for a few years we skipped it,
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Speaker 3: but we're gonna we started tight network and we're gonna
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Speaker 3: crank it up again next year and it's gonna be
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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be even better. Thank you for
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Speaker 3: enjoying it.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, no, i'd have to say. I mean
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Speaker 1: I've been to other events since then. I still have
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Speaker 1: to say Cosmic, someone I told was my favorite.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the meeting d Duncan Dan that right there
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Speaker 3: is worth a damn ticket.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I even got Yeah, I got I got
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Speaker 1: to interview Randall Colson on my own huge He gave
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Speaker 1: me his phone m he texted Billy Carson. So I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was actually a very wild experience. I get to
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Speaker 1: beat Robert Shock. Yeah. To me, that was like all
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Speaker 1: the bases, didn't it. Yeah, you know, I talked to
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Speaker 1: anybody that would listen to me. What are you crazy?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's been a year now and that just
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Speaker 3: makes me smile, you know.
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Speaker 1: And the cool thing is is that all these people
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Speaker 1: that you had speak to, they actually spoke to people
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Speaker 1: Like the Italian doctors came up to me.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't work out at other conferences as well. It doesn't.
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Speaker 3: And I hadn't been doing enough other conferences just for
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Speaker 3: a couple of good ones were right for the summit,
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Speaker 3: and I couldn't do it those three years. I probably
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Speaker 3: should have, but whatever, I don't know. But man, we
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Speaker 3: don't do the fly and flyout thing. I couldn't imagine
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Speaker 3: a scenario ever. I mean, if Graham Hancock came, I
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Speaker 3: mean he's got to hang around and talk to people,
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Speaker 3: and if they don't, they ain't coming back. I mean,
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Speaker 3: what's the damn point. That's like a like a rock show.
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Speaker 3: You overpay for those now, you know. I mean, these
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Speaker 3: people are good, these people are not that fucking famous,
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Speaker 3: no I hiker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, that's funny. That's a good point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you still got to promote yourself at this point. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's right.
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Speaker 3: And you know everybody knows that. That's kind of a
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Speaker 3: cool thing about this community. But you know what I
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Speaker 3: call it. I call it and it doesn't apply to
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Speaker 3: people like Randalling about a good dozen other people who've
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Speaker 3: spoken at the things, but micro celebrity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a good title for it.
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Speaker 3: It is a good title for it. I Mean, there's
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Speaker 3: so many people that have ten thousand people that are
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Speaker 3: really into them, and fifteen twenty years ago, there wasn't
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Speaker 3: such a thing as having ten thousand people that really
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Speaker 3: there were maybe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's true.
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Speaker 3: You know there was people that had millions and millions
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Speaker 3: and millions, and other people that had their friends and
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Speaker 3: maybe community or something. You know that there's a whole
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Speaker 3: new class of having ten thousand people or just use
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Speaker 3: that as a benchmark. Y'all surely got that, you know
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Speaker 3: that are out there and would recognize no recognize you,
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Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, into your shit. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: very back, celebrity. It's very weird.
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Speaker 1: It was, you don't blew be away. I actually met
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Speaker 1: people at the Cosmic Summit that knew of the podcast
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Speaker 1: and knew who I was. Yeah, I was like, what
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Speaker 1: the fuck? I was like, you know who I am? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: And something about networking all of those nodes. That is
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Speaker 3: kind of really the beauty of the Cosmic Summit or
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Speaker 3: any other conference like this. I think it just getting
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Speaker 3: those various nodes connecting. I call it the Great Weaving,
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Speaker 3: and podcasting is an important part of it. It seems
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Speaker 3: like a mundane technology and it kind of is. All
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Speaker 3: it took was bandwidth, you know, cameras and you just
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Speaker 3: a bandwidth. It's all it was. And and now there's
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Speaker 3: all these people talking, man at various levels, and it
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Speaker 3: burbles all the way up to the Great Rogina right right,
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Speaker 3: and it's constantly just creeping, this evolving talk creature, you know,
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Speaker 3: with thousand millions, as we say podcasts, but then you
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Speaker 3: know twenty thousand nodes at the top and maybe four thousand,
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Speaker 3: you know, a thousand in our space, but but they're
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Speaker 3: all talking. And I just think it's absolutely fascinating because
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Speaker 3: you've probably experienced it. You'll have somebody on, somebody you
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Speaker 3: know who has a podcast will have them on.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, bah blah blah.
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Speaker 3: And I've seen six people go from unknown to rogan.
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Speaker 1: These people I've had on my show that was on
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Speaker 1: Danny Jones recently, maybe more. I was like, what about me?
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Speaker 1: Can I get on? Like I guess, go on? Then
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Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa man? What about me?
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Speaker 3: Man? You know, I enjoy going on them a lot. Well,
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the hell out of hosting them because I
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Speaker 3: had to get into it like everybody else. And I
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Speaker 3: started the Cosmic Tusk podcast and did it intermittently like
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Speaker 3: anybody does. But this year I've fucking I'm like two
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Speaker 3: a week, man, I'm not going to catch you guys. Yeah,
8:44
Speaker 3: but yeah, we got them backed up a mile. I
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Speaker 3: will show that we need to put out to a
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Speaker 3: week and quit with this stuffcause they're getting backed up
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Speaker 3: because it's not that hard. It is enjoyable. But it's
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Speaker 3: more fun to go on somebody else's Oh.
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Speaker 1: I always say that it's a lot more fun than
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Speaker 1: go on somebody else's show. I don't have to worry
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Speaker 1: about anything. I just show up Eddie at.
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Speaker 3: The time and a lot of people on mind very deliberately.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes are ones where I gotta listen, I gotta shut
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Speaker 3: my mouth, and I'm not that good at that and
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Speaker 3: just sitting there nodding for like forty five minutes. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, with some strategic AHAs.
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Speaker 1: Strategic that's the truth, though.
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Speaker 3: You know not then that's not a privilege, But it's not.
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Speaker 3: My game is to run my mouth with other people
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Speaker 3: and have conversations. That's you know, the genius or Rogan.
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Speaker 3: No one has ever given a presentation on there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sure. It's always a conversation with him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a conversation, and I don't know how he
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Speaker 3: pulls that off, because when I have people that have
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Speaker 3: one big idea, it always turns into a presentation. Some
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Speaker 3: of them are very very charming, most of them are
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Speaker 3: some less own and it gets a little boring or whatever.
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Speaker 3: But Rogan's never turn into that. It's somehow the heat.
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Speaker 3: He gets somebody down that has a big idea and
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Speaker 3: starts talking about their cat, you know, or you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean, and then they get to the idea.
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Speaker 3: And I've kind of played with that moment, but I
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Speaker 3: think it would be too weird if somebody at our level,
10:06
Speaker 3: you know, just started out with Okay, doctor Moore, tell
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Speaker 3: me about your what kind of pets do y'all have? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: You smoke weed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think some of my guess would even be like what, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the people I get on for, like PhDs and Platon
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Speaker 1: is maybe asking them about their cat. That probably excuse me,
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Speaker 1: right right.
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Speaker 3: And I do have some PhDs and that's a little
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Speaker 3: I got a blue jacket over here, I'll wear something nice, man.
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Speaker 1: So I guess maybe you know the whole thing what
10:37
Speaker 1: you're just talking about now with PhDs. How did you
10:39
Speaker 1: end up finding yourself even getting here? I know I
10:42
Speaker 1: had to do with like through school. You kind of like, yeah,
10:44
Speaker 1: well you used to through school. Yeah, well, well I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: like what you studied in school eventually.
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Speaker 3: Look, give me the short of it. But no, I
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Speaker 3: got into them because it's not school, Like I'm completely uncredential.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, it was actually an early job. Maybe
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Speaker 3: that's what maybe dating just talk about it, but whatever.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I've always been into edge science since
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Speaker 3: I was a little kid. I mean since earliest memories.
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Speaker 3: Flat into science, and then the more the better documented
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Speaker 3: things that seemed impossible that people weren't taking seriously. That
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Speaker 3: stuff just interests me. Where you've got the goods on it,
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Speaker 3: but the call it the mainstream. Usually it's people in
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Speaker 3: the mainstream that just publishing it and the fuck, look
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Speaker 3: what I found, and then it gets rejected like a virus.
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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened to the younger Driest Impact hypothesis.
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Speaker 3: And I joined that publishing team, right, you know, a
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Speaker 3: couple of years before they published. In two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 3: they put out a paper that in retrospect has been
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Speaker 3: very very significant and even got a lot of price
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Speaker 3: at the time, claiming there was a tremendous catastrophe thirteen
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Speaker 3: thousand years ago, and that we had forensic evidence for
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Speaker 3: it at sites all over North America and some in
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Speaker 3: Europe at the time. Now we found it on five
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Speaker 3: continents and published more than sixty papers. And I was
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Speaker 3: on that original paper as a civilian, where there were
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Speaker 3: twenty three PhDs and me, And it was just because
12:04
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all know of this guy who's
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Speaker 3: working with the pyramid scan team, Trevor GROSSI yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: really okay, And maybe others listening won't, But I am
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Speaker 3: Trevor Is to like Filipo Beyondy and those real you know,
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Speaker 3: real PhD as I am to these guys, You're just
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Speaker 3: you're already in touch with them, you've been following them
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Speaker 3: for years, and then all of a sudden they let
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Speaker 3: loose with a big announcement, and you're kind of on
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Speaker 3: the team because you were the ball.
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Speaker 1: Boy got you.
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Speaker 3: I'm only I get to myself kind of the ball
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Speaker 3: boy that knows all the statistics, knows where all the
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Speaker 3: bones are buried, and in every damn game. But I
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Speaker 3: can't play the game. I'm not a you know, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I know, I know what you mean. I do all
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Speaker 3: the drafts of the paper's mean on a number of them,
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Speaker 3: so you get all the drafts. I try to contribute sometimes,
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Speaker 3: and I've done a lot of field work and I
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Speaker 3: went over to Jordan two seasons and dug it an
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Speaker 3: archaeological dig to find Sodom. Not too fine, but we
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Speaker 3: did find and find evidence for an airburst that resulted
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Speaker 3: in the biblical story of the destruction of Sodom. And
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Speaker 3: that was physical work. So you know, it's not just
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Speaker 3: this ball boy that can at least dribble.
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Speaker 1: That is Ah, you know, I find I guess like
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Speaker 1: in your situation, it's a shame. I mean, listen, I
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Speaker 1: mean it worked out for you anyway. But I do
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Speaker 1: find it sometimes it's a shame. You'll have people who
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Speaker 1: don't have a PhD or didn't have the school backing,
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Speaker 1: but yet they know just as much, sometimes hands on
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Speaker 1: from going places or just doing certain things, and they
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Speaker 1: can't put out this shit or it's not considered serious
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Speaker 1: because it wasn't.
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Speaker 3: Well that's absolutely the truth, Nick, And they're more evident,
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Speaker 3: thank goodness now because of things like YouTube. Yeah, that
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Speaker 3: those people have a voice now, and that's why I'm
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Speaker 3: all over the internet, and the scientists aren't, you know,
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Speaker 3: because you're free of those constraints. And so I think
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Speaker 3: there is a place for him now. It's just not
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Speaker 3: going to be sitting over in Chapel Hill, you know,
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Speaker 3: getting a pensions or whatever, a tenure check. You know,
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Speaker 3: I mean, fuck that anyway, you know, I yeah, but no, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's interesting. And but there are a lot of good,
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Speaker 3: lot of good scientists out there. A lot of them
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Speaker 3: know what the deal is and they just don't want
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Speaker 3: to fuck with who gets, you know, knighted and who
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Speaker 3: doesn't is being correct, right, and their long long lineages
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Speaker 3: of what's been knighted is correct. And it's just going
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Speaker 3: to take a new new aristocracy of ideas where becoming
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Speaker 3: well scrubbed on the internet up and down, just like
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Speaker 3: the younger dry hypothesis. I mean, our papers get a
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Speaker 3: lot of reads. But Rogan did so much for it
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Speaker 3: that when he started mentioning that catastrophe that there was
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Speaker 3: actually evidence for it. And it took him a long
14:55
Speaker 3: time to try to get the proper pronunciation of trenta
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Speaker 3: tight and various things that used to frust the hell
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Speaker 3: out of me. And he'd say some things wrong, which
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Speaker 3: is ridiculously geeky, but it's like, hell, yes he's talking
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Speaker 3: about now, he completely and now he talks about this
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Speaker 3: catastphe every third or fourth show, one way or another.
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Speaker 3: And it's just been a gift that keeps on giving.
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Speaker 3: And of course that also includes hours and hours with
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Speaker 3: dear Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. Right, that's all centered
15:23
Speaker 3: if you follow that stuff. I know y'all are into.
15:25
Speaker 3: Y'all know a bunch of great subjects, some of which
15:28
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they are. Back to my I
15:33
Speaker 3: asked Chad, my buddy Chad. I called chat GPT Chad
15:36
Speaker 3: and he works out in California. Send him nine bucks
15:39
Speaker 3: a month, stays up all night, always gets back to you.
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Speaker 3: So to Chad, and I said, Chad, tell me about
15:44
Speaker 3: a cult Rejack And it gave y'all such an interesting review.
15:48
Speaker 3: I said, tell me about Cosmic Summit. I act like
15:52
Speaker 3: you did just with them, and you didn't know anything
15:54
Speaker 3: about Cosmic Summit. And it just gave such a good
15:57
Speaker 3: rundown of what y'all are into. And it's one of
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Speaker 3: the bullet left. There were like six of a dozen
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Speaker 3: fifteen items that I'm like, I'm not a sure what
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Speaker 3: that is.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I love to know what that is.
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Speaker 1: It's funny, Okay, it's play the scientific shit. Who knows? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So where where were we at to me
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Speaker 3: to get off track?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's okay.
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Speaker 3: There's a big conversation going on. I think academia is
16:21
Speaker 3: not going to win it if you want to, but
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Speaker 3: that you know, then there are other sides of the Internet,
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Speaker 3: and it's a damn big side that's calling bullshit on
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Speaker 3: a lot of things that are absolutely legit, like the hypothesis,
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Speaker 3: or things that might be legit like Atlantis. Dare I
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Speaker 3: say the word which I say is just a precursor civilization,
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Speaker 3: something before. If you accept the catastrophe, as Graham Hancock
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Speaker 3: said back in the nineties, I've got my hypothesis wrote
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Speaker 3: Fingerprints of the Gods, that there was a tremendous catastrophe,
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Speaker 3: that there was somebody around before and they left behind
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Speaker 3: some knowledge for people later in their various ways, you
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Speaker 3: can infer that, well, neither of those things are anywhere
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Speaker 3: near proven, but now one is pretty damn solid. With
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Speaker 3: all the papers that the Comment Research Group as we
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Speaker 3: call it, is published again and again, many in top journals.
17:14
Speaker 3: Now we have a suit a custom journal for these
17:17
Speaker 3: subjects because it's so hard to get published. It's very
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Speaker 3: very popular. Though. Yeah, now the catastrophe, in my estimation,
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Speaker 3: has been proven. The question is now, so Graham Hancock
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Speaker 3: is half right, Randall Carlson is almost undoubtedly half right.
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Speaker 3: The question is did somebody come with somebody around before
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Speaker 3: that we don't appreciate the magnitude and sophistication of that
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Speaker 3: civilization called it the Atlanteans? And are there ruins out
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Speaker 3: there that might be discovered that are actually confirm what
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Speaker 3: Plato told us that there was such a place, et cetera,
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Speaker 3: and so forth. And so there are two parts that question,
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Speaker 3: and that second question about the precursor civilization is yet
18:00
Speaker 3: to be answered. Consider the catastrophe in the bucket. If
18:04
Speaker 3: not on the scoreboard, No, I get that. That's how
18:08
Speaker 3: I've always looked at it, you know what I mean.
18:10
Speaker 3: I don't know how you get on school board these days.
18:12
Speaker 3: I'm tired of looking at it. Everybody knows who's winning
18:14
Speaker 3: the game. You know, they're screwing with the numbers, and
18:19
Speaker 3: you're like, no, no, no, no, no, man, I just saw
18:22
Speaker 3: the dunk Dan throw him off the hoop seven times
18:26
Speaker 3: in a row, and I saw George make six three pointers.
18:29
Speaker 3: I know who's winning the game. And then somebody's over there.
18:32
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, they're losing.
18:33
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh huh for the people that may not know.
18:42
Speaker 1: And I would just like to hear a little bit
18:44
Speaker 1: more about it before we saw get into other stuff.
18:46
Speaker 1: Could you go into the younger dress impact hypothesis a
18:49
Speaker 1: little bit more so?
18:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, because it's not a main lane for y'all.
18:53
Speaker 3: You might have never even discussed on now never. Yeah. Yeah,
18:56
Speaker 3: that's unfair for me to go running on like that.
18:58
Speaker 3: So hopefully some of the audience news about it. But
19:02
Speaker 3: the nature of it is, the astonishing evidence says that
19:09
Speaker 3: around thirteen thousand years ago, or as I say, twelve
19:12
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty seven years ago, around June thirtieth,
19:15
Speaker 3: which is probably right on the nose, there was a
19:19
Speaker 3: tremendous trauma of the Earth and involved the a stream
19:25
Speaker 3: of a fragmented comet, not a coherent comet which would
19:29
Speaker 3: have wiped us out completely, but one that was already
19:32
Speaker 3: breaking up out in the Solar system. Is it was
19:34
Speaker 3: going around, probably been out there another five thousand years.
19:37
Speaker 3: We think it came in about twenty thousand years ago,
19:39
Speaker 3: so they say seven thousand years. So comments actually break
19:44
Speaker 3: up over time, and it's called hierarchical disintegration. So you
19:49
Speaker 3: end up one piece, two piece, two, go into four, four,
19:52
Speaker 3: go into eight. Bom boom boom, boom boom. Some are big,
19:55
Speaker 3: some are small, and you get what an hour what
19:57
Speaker 3: we call meteor streams. And you can go out and
19:59
Speaker 3: see any media shower that you know of that comes
20:02
Speaker 3: around each year is actually the pieces of a fragmented comet.
20:05
Speaker 3: Those are not asteroids. Those are comet dust, grains, pebbles, rocks, boulders,
20:13
Speaker 3: things the size of Manhattan in ninety nine point nine.
20:18
Speaker 3: Nine nine percent of them are like we see, you
20:20
Speaker 3: know they may, but we encountered a very bad day
20:24
Speaker 3: in that thing, and say six or seven thousand of
20:27
Speaker 3: those objects hit the earth over say one day, right,
20:33
Speaker 3: and that led to number of things, including us being
20:38
Speaker 3: here in the naked apes with the black mirror. I mean,
20:41
Speaker 3: that is what kicked off whatever the fock's been going
20:45
Speaker 3: on since then, right, But it cost The key thing
20:49
Speaker 3: about it, it caused a very well known and well
20:51
Speaker 3: accepted climate crash called the Younger, Driest Cold period, and
20:56
Speaker 3: that has been a backbone of the study of ancient climate.
21:00
Speaker 3: Paleod climatology has been a backbone of that for sixty
21:04
Speaker 3: seventy years. That Hey, this is mainstream as it gets.
21:08
Speaker 3: I mean, whole careers built off of it. That twelve
21:12
Speaker 3: eight hundred years ago, it got cold as shit for
21:14
Speaker 3: another one thy two hundred years and the great glaciers
21:18
Speaker 3: started readvancing, and just real quick think about when someone
21:22
Speaker 3: says twelve thousand years ago through just that's just three
21:24
Speaker 3: or four times the time distance of the Pyramids from us.
21:28
Speaker 3: That's not that long ago. I mean, not only was
21:31
Speaker 3: it humans, it was us, right, and we experienced that.
21:36
Speaker 3: And the people who experienced in North America were called
21:38
Speaker 3: the Clovis people, and they were the very first. Usually
21:42
Speaker 3: have a Clovis point around, but the actually there's some
21:44
Speaker 3: kind of behind me but you can't see but a
21:48
Speaker 3: bit a very distinctive spear point that they're known for,
21:50
Speaker 3: and the very first inhabitants in North America. And there
21:54
Speaker 3: are no more of them after this time period twelve
21:57
Speaker 3: thousand and eight hundred years got Nor are are there
22:00
Speaker 3: any mammoth mastadons, sabertoothed cats, short faced cave bears, one
22:07
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty different species of large animals that inhabited
22:11
Speaker 3: North America, like the African savannah on steroids blink out
22:17
Speaker 3: within a couple of hundred years of there with the
22:20
Speaker 3: most significant aerica. And we do believe, or I believe personally,
22:23
Speaker 3: there were repeated traumas, but there was definitely a bad
22:26
Speaker 3: one at about twelve and eighty seven. Okay, so it
22:30
Speaker 3: caused the huge extinction called the Pleistocene extinctions. They're very
22:34
Speaker 3: well known, the dinosaur extinction. What did well, I was
22:39
Speaker 3: already grown up, but now kids or this was heretical
22:44
Speaker 3: stuff in the seventies to say that the dinosaurs, the
22:47
Speaker 3: mystery of the dinosaurs, where did they go? That was
22:49
Speaker 3: a mystery, you know, all through the early and late
22:54
Speaker 3: twentieth century. And then they said they came out and
22:58
Speaker 3: reported that there was a geochemical and not in a
23:00
Speaker 3: black layer in rock at sixty five million years ago,
23:05
Speaker 3: and above it you don't find any more dinosaurs. Well,
23:08
Speaker 3: there are no Indian points not to find above there,
23:11
Speaker 3: you know, so there are no people around. But we
23:13
Speaker 3: proved that that whole sweet of animals or a significant
23:16
Speaker 3: part of it when it's stinked because of something from space.
23:19
Speaker 3: That's a big realization for humanity, and it made it
23:22
Speaker 3: in the textbooks. This is the next stage of this,
23:25
Speaker 3: but it's five thousand times more recent. The five thousand
23:31
Speaker 3: times more recent that might as well be on another
23:33
Speaker 3: fucking planet, that dinosaur thing who the fuck cares? That
23:36
Speaker 3: obviously doesn't happen very often, but things can happen, and
23:40
Speaker 3: one happened fairly recently, more recently than you would expect
23:44
Speaker 3: statistically unless we were the result of it. If you
23:48
Speaker 3: happen to be the result of the roll of the dice,
23:50
Speaker 3: you don't call double six is in it? You know,
23:52
Speaker 3: a long shot and you say I'm glad it hit.
23:56
Speaker 3: I mean, one way or another. That's why we then
23:58
Speaker 3: settled down. Agriculture started immediately afterwards. The domestication of animals
24:02
Speaker 3: started immediately afterwards, and there's about another three to six
24:06
Speaker 3: thousand years before we really picked it up right. And
24:10
Speaker 3: that needs some explaining because that means those Atlanteans, I've
24:12
Speaker 3: never quite that whole part of it. I mean, why'd
24:14
Speaker 3: they wait a few thousand years before they kicked it
24:16
Speaker 3: back up? But things like Go Beckley Tepi, which is
24:21
Speaker 3: that temple in Turkey. I never seen that thing that, Yeah,
24:24
Speaker 3: the thirteen thousand year old temple. They covered that twenty years.
24:27
Speaker 3: Going to say, oh shit, there were some people around
24:30
Speaker 3: during that period before the Egyptians and the Sumerians and
24:32
Speaker 3: all those things, and holy shit, they were a lot
24:34
Speaker 3: smarter than we gave credit for. So those people endure
24:39
Speaker 3: the catastrophe. It kicked our ass. They memorialized at Go
24:43
Speaker 3: Beckley Teppe and elsewhere, and then we slowly built back,
24:48
Speaker 3: you know, into what's now. So it's the most in
24:50
Speaker 3: my humble opinion, Yeah, m ho right, it's the most
24:54
Speaker 3: important thing that ever happened. If it be true. What's
24:57
Speaker 3: more important than that? When it caused farming? And you know,
25:03
Speaker 3: of course it's memorialized in every single cultural tradition on
25:07
Speaker 3: planet Earth, every religion from Christianity to you know, to
25:14
Speaker 3: pagan traditions to you know, all of the Mayan mythologies.
25:18
Speaker 3: Of course, there was a big flood and fire from
25:20
Speaker 3: the sky and hell and we had a good time
25:22
Speaker 3: before that. We were plucking pairs and then we started
25:24
Speaker 3: had to pull a plow. And that's the younger d.
25:29
Speaker 1: You know that is interesting how like, you know, one
25:32
Speaker 1: part of the earth could see fire in the sky
25:34
Speaker 1: being the media is, and then a reaction from the
25:37
Speaker 1: earth getting hit could be waves, and another part of
25:40
Speaker 1: the earth is thinking that they're dying from flood. Really,
25:43
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You can get the same
25:45
Speaker 1: situations a different stories.
25:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a great guy named doctor Bruce Massey who
25:50
Speaker 3: went and took all that and like graft it all
25:52
Speaker 3: out and worldwide would they report was because of like
25:55
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty cultures tell you that there was
25:57
Speaker 3: a tremendous catash. Oh yeah, yeah, big flood and all that,
26:01
Speaker 3: which begs the question, I mean, why do we treat
26:04
Speaker 3: these people like their old stories aren't right? And why
26:08
Speaker 3: don't you treat that completely seriously? If every person, every
26:12
Speaker 3: Indigenous person, or Christian on the street or you know,
26:17
Speaker 3: big time Southern Christian like that in my part of
26:19
Speaker 3: the world, you know, if you ask them, hey, what's
26:22
Speaker 3: your early story. Oh there's a big flood, big flood everything.
26:26
Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty good before that and then all
26:29
Speaker 3: went to hell. We barely made it out. That's true worldwide, man,
26:32
Speaker 3: that's not a fucking coincidence.
26:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost every every even you know, spiritual like you
26:39
Speaker 1: were even saying pagan. A lot of things they all acknowledge.
26:42
Speaker 3: There, you know, But that that's campfire talk. It's funny
26:45
Speaker 3: that the institutions pay so much attention and all this
26:48
Speaker 3: kind of false deification of indigenous peoples. But you go
26:53
Speaker 3: ask an indigenous person whenever you want to put in
26:56
Speaker 3: your head for that, what their origin story is. What
26:59
Speaker 3: will the academic tell them? Well, that's a campfire story.
27:01
Speaker 3: They'll walk off kind of smirking that not the flyers floods.
27:06
Speaker 3: Thank you, indigenous person. I'm going to go back and
27:09
Speaker 3: call it a myth when not the person's telling you
27:12
Speaker 3: knew We've been talking about this a long time, man,
27:14
Speaker 3: this happened. Not that we all ascept that. I mean,
27:18
Speaker 3: we questioned our own flood myth in the Bible if
27:20
Speaker 3: you're a Christian, but we shouldn't.
27:24
Speaker 1: I don't I get what you said? Yeah, what do
27:26
Speaker 1: you got? All these people say the same thing. There
27:27
Speaker 1: might be something behind it.
27:29
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. And if we supposedly respect cultures other
27:34
Speaker 3: than America, you know, and the more indigenous the better,
27:38
Speaker 3: then take their story seriously. Right way to respect him.
27:45
Speaker 3: I mean, if the hope he say that abate great
27:47
Speaker 3: star fell from the sky and flucked everything up, and
27:50
Speaker 3: you're into hope, the near a believer in the younger
27:52
Speaker 3: drives and back up bothers us.
27:58
Speaker 1: Yeah that is funny. Yeah, interesting way to look at it.
28:03
Speaker 1: What's up, Brand? Then, thank you for making it so.
28:06
Speaker 2: It's up everyone. I'm great, it's so good to be here.
28:09
Speaker 2: It's nice to meet you, Howard.
28:10
Speaker 3: George Howard. Yeahs run in my mouth, but that's the
28:15
Speaker 3: fun of going on somebody else's podcast, because I do.
28:17
Speaker 3: I'm on the listening side a.
28:18
Speaker 2: Lot lately, right, Yeah, Well, this is a good one
28:22
Speaker 2: to be on.
28:23
Speaker 3: And everything that you're talking about.
28:24
Speaker 2: I've kind of done my deep dive a little bit
28:27
Speaker 2: into you and everything that's going on and what all
28:29
Speaker 2: the fantastic thing Nick has had to say, and so.
28:32
Speaker 3: I'm I'm on board.
28:33
Speaker 2: I'm on board the arc, so to speak. I find
28:38
Speaker 2: it fascinating and hello, Judith, I'm definitely not leading you out.
28:40
Speaker 2: It's so fantastic to be here with you, Judith. I
28:44
Speaker 2: was thinking about something really fascinating too, while you were
28:46
Speaker 2: talking about the floodwaters. I think it's Eric von noyman.
28:50
Speaker 2: But I have to figure out who that is, the
28:52
Speaker 2: actual guy. Carl Jung's protege wrote wrote a book that
28:56
Speaker 2: is like something that Carl Young actually wished he talked about.
28:59
Speaker 2: And it's fascinating enough. In the I like to relate
29:03
Speaker 2: the actual physical happenstance to actually what's going on in
29:07
Speaker 2: our psychophysiology as like human consciousness and everything always speaks
29:11
Speaker 2: about this idea of the flood, but it's like also
29:13
Speaker 2: the unconscious waters of the mind are what changes it
29:18
Speaker 2: gives us, like paradogmatic shifts in consciousness through time. And
29:21
Speaker 2: I like to think of this younger dryest period as
29:23
Speaker 2: something very similar.
29:25
Speaker 3: Well i'd call that kind of an archetypal memory, yes,
29:29
Speaker 3: exactly where it's built in the system. But that could
29:32
Speaker 3: suggest that nothing happened. And see, there's just such forensic evidence.
29:37
Speaker 3: There's a black at paleo archaeological sites they call the
29:43
Speaker 3: black matt where beneath that black layer, that's where they'd
29:47
Speaker 3: start finding the bones of the clothes. So something happened,
29:49
Speaker 3: now did it? And embed it into us? There's been
29:52
Speaker 3: so much culture put lightly you know what I mean,
29:58
Speaker 3: mind create in the last two thousand years from art
30:02
Speaker 3: to language or at least modern language. You know, all
30:06
Speaker 3: of that's been created. Could it have also just flat
30:09
Speaker 3: out gone into our psyche? Believe what you're talking about
30:16
Speaker 3: it is.
30:17
Speaker 2: Is actually almost it's almost exactly because the almost part
30:20
Speaker 2: is of how I like to bring things to the
30:23
Speaker 2: game is that is that it's almost like a chicken
30:28
Speaker 2: in the egg. I think they both can happen at
30:31
Speaker 2: the same time. Is that I think that if humans, yes,
30:35
Speaker 2: and humans are a lot older than we can even imagine,
30:38
Speaker 2: So why go back thirteen thousand years, fourteen thousand years, like,
30:41
Speaker 2: go back even farther that humans have probably seen many cataclysms,
30:46
Speaker 2: and so it's a fascinating thing to think about how
30:48
Speaker 2: then become construct mythologies?
30:50
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's a rich subject. And you know, uh,
30:57
Speaker 3: what just crossed my mind, Well that if people have
31:03
Speaker 3: called the recivilizing perhaps or the initial civilizing of man,
31:09
Speaker 3: since the younger drive us of that the rebooting, yes, right,
31:13
Speaker 3: we may have rebooted. Well, if you're rebooted, you've got
31:16
Speaker 3: some new software. That's exactly it. So maybe it just
31:20
Speaker 3: embedded us in our software. But what were you saying
31:22
Speaker 3: about the waters that waters would represent well.
31:25
Speaker 2: And why I like this is because it represents kind
31:27
Speaker 2: of the unconscious realms going into the unconscious mind, that
31:32
Speaker 2: basically all things have to re stem from the waters
31:35
Speaker 2: from water. That's kind of a mythology of the Great
31:38
Speaker 2: Mother or the mythology of new wheat in the Egyptian pantheon,
31:43
Speaker 2: that the waters of kind of the idea that all
31:47
Speaker 2: of like maybe everything around us as they change, has
31:50
Speaker 2: a moon and waters kind of renew things, and so
31:53
Speaker 2: the same because I do one hundred percent believe that
31:55
Speaker 2: the Younger drives period and all these things happened, and
31:58
Speaker 2: that was what the you know, with a whole Anonaki
32:01
Speaker 2: into the Sumerian Babylonian culture and then thinking that the
32:04
Speaker 2: Aonachy not that there's space aliens like that try is
32:07
Speaker 2: such a nonsense, but into how it was a pre
32:10
Speaker 2: civilization stemmed into what was going on with what's with Babylon,
32:16
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And so I like them both.
32:18
Speaker 2: I always we always want to separate it. We always
32:20
Speaker 2: want to fight against the scientific materialists, and you know,
32:23
Speaker 2: and then the other happenstance of purely psycho mythology, and
32:27
Speaker 2: I'm like, why can't.
32:27
Speaker 3: We y'all's lane to be frank, right, I'm coming on
32:31
Speaker 3: talking forensic cabinets and stuff like that. When when, which
32:35
Speaker 3: is fine, that's when we're having a fine conversation. And
32:39
Speaker 3: but but yeah, yeah.
32:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the forensic evidence. And so something
32:43
Speaker 2: Nick and I always talk about is as Crowley talks.
32:46
Speaker 3: About something deeper maybe, yeah, you know, as was complete
32:51
Speaker 3: supported by many, including Hamlet's Mill, the most unreadable deep
32:54
Speaker 3: book in the history of Man, that that repeated catastrophes
33:00
Speaker 3: are a part of the comparative mythology of the passing
33:04
Speaker 3: of human time, and it's just built into us. Yeah,
33:09
Speaker 3: you know, the whole idea of the wheel of time.
33:11
Speaker 3: And it ain't nothing new under the sun. Yeah oh yeah.
33:14
Speaker 3: So if it's got to wipe us out occasionally, what
33:17
Speaker 3: the hell is going to do is do it with
33:19
Speaker 3: It's that fire floods earth. It's got to be something
33:21
Speaker 3: physical to just damn give us a damn bad day.
33:24
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but it's built into the whole story. I
33:27
Speaker 3: could go with it. Yeah, be hard to prove.
33:31
Speaker 1: I was just even wonder if, like surviving something like
33:33
Speaker 1: that on the psyche, if that even helps produce people
33:36
Speaker 1: who just happen to be a little bit more intelligent.
33:41
Speaker 3: Dude, it could. There are a bunch of weird things.
33:42
Speaker 3: I'll give you one that a DNA study came out
33:48
Speaker 3: that showed right there the initiation of that cold period,
33:51
Speaker 3: which again is well established. If you ever go, you know,
33:54
Speaker 3: google that weird term younger DRSS, you'll see stuff from
33:58
Speaker 3: the federal government and you know, awe stuff it's mainstream
34:01
Speaker 3: is shit that that cold period happened because they used
34:03
Speaker 3: it as scare stuff for global warming. That they used
34:07
Speaker 3: it to say that climate can snap in a heartbeat
34:09
Speaker 3: and we don't know, we're poking the beast. I could
34:11
Speaker 3: go on about that forever. They used this thing, which
34:15
Speaker 3: actually involved in external forcing, because their whole game was
34:19
Speaker 3: everything that happens here is because of here when no, no, no, actually, man,
34:24
Speaker 3: the reason it got cold then You may be right
34:25
Speaker 3: about the rest of the stuff, But the reason it
34:27
Speaker 3: got cold then is because a bunch of shit came
34:29
Speaker 3: in at eighty thousand miles an hour from space. But
34:34
Speaker 3: the younger driest cold period, like I say, as well established.
34:39
Speaker 3: And where the hell was I heading with that? I'm
34:42
Speaker 3: glad this is I had mentioned.
34:44
Speaker 1: I think you were going on about maybe something that
34:46
Speaker 1: the DNA change is something I mentioned that people got affected.
34:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, da, I just thank you. I'm usually better than that.
34:52
Speaker 3: But a DNA study came out with an incredible discovery
34:57
Speaker 3: that it went to men were reduced to one in
35:03
Speaker 3: seventeen versus women in the population, that there were seventeen
35:08
Speaker 3: women for every man. Wow, And that cooked along for
35:13
Speaker 3: about I forget man a thousand years, and then it
35:16
Speaker 3: starts evening back up. But for some reason, why does
35:21
Speaker 3: it go? Where'd all the dads go? You know? Where
35:26
Speaker 3: the where the boys? I did a pretty good blog
35:29
Speaker 3: on it. I wish I could call it up real
35:31
Speaker 3: quickly and I could win. I could send you a lank.
35:34
Speaker 3: But yeah, and that's real stuff too. And they had
35:38
Speaker 3: no idea how to explain it in the paper, and
35:40
Speaker 3: it was had like twenty or thirty geneticis on it
35:43
Speaker 3: from all over the world. And he just like, huh, well,
35:46
Speaker 3: they should be teaching that in school. So he needs
35:49
Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of that is weird and
35:52
Speaker 3: just turn into a harem culture or was it the
35:54
Speaker 3: other way around around? Right? Yeah, running everything, And there
35:58
Speaker 3: was just one problematic guy for every seventeen women. Yeah,
36:01
Speaker 3: what's what's with him?
36:03
Speaker 2: A male harem has that called something specifically?
36:06
Speaker 3: Was he sitting there couch and they were, you know,
36:09
Speaker 3: bringing dinner? You know, I think it was the opposite.
36:14
Speaker 3: I think probably the women were in charge there. But
36:16
Speaker 3: he might to have a lot of babies.
36:19
Speaker 1: But that it's just weird like that is, Uh, what's
36:23
Speaker 1: the odds of that happening? I don't know.
36:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, And why would a cold period call that. Let's
36:28
Speaker 3: just say it's a cold beer because I saw the
36:30
Speaker 3: paper admitted it didn't get into did things hit from
36:32
Speaker 3: space to cause it? Right? Again, this is mainstream stuff
36:36
Speaker 3: that why during the younger drives would and they actually
36:40
Speaker 3: went and looked at like Yet turns out that there's
36:42
Speaker 3: a slightly correlated thing that in colder climates they're more
36:46
Speaker 3: women than men. But it's like a half a percent
36:48
Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, you're like, no, man,
36:50
Speaker 3: why would there already be a all of a sudden
36:52
Speaker 3: be a however, you know, oney, seven hundred percent or
36:57
Speaker 3: whatever the hell it would be increase in the relative
36:59
Speaker 3: ballots of men and women just because you have a
37:02
Speaker 3: big trauma, whether it be just a cold snap as
37:06
Speaker 3: they consider it, or something from space.
37:09
Speaker 2: Huh, Well, maybe it's because of women and children first.
37:13
Speaker 1: Yo. Well see obviously like that or like fighting each other.
37:18
Speaker 3: I think that was one of the suggestions, or I
37:19
Speaker 3: heard afterwards other people saying speculating from our perspective what
37:24
Speaker 3: it would be, or I guess just cold could cause
37:27
Speaker 3: that that you have a but that's a big imbalance.
37:30
Speaker 3: I mean, even during wars, you don't wipe out. Well.
37:34
Speaker 2: I read something actually yesterday stating how we all think
37:37
Speaker 2: that it's the male that carries on the lineage of
37:40
Speaker 2: you know, a family DNA, and actually it's proven that
37:43
Speaker 2: it's actually the female who carries on the DNA moves
37:45
Speaker 2: through the female to female to female, and so it
37:47
Speaker 2: could be something more along that is that they knew
37:50
Speaker 2: that they needed certain kind of bloodlines. You know, excuse
37:55
Speaker 2: my docsin is having a sneezing fit currently, so don't
37:58
Speaker 2: mind that noise in the background. But the idea being
38:01
Speaker 2: that then they wanted to make sure a bunch of
38:03
Speaker 2: DNA bloodlines were able to come through this massive civilization upturn,
38:07
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of people who actually knew
38:09
Speaker 2: it was going to happen, since the precision of the
38:12
Speaker 2: equinoxes move along these cyclical sacred time frames, and so
38:16
Speaker 2: it's interesting to think, what would a high level priests
38:19
Speaker 2: class civilization like the you know, the magicians of the gods,
38:22
Speaker 2: how would they try to protect bloodlines through massive clodchism.
38:27
Speaker 3: I'm actually trying to call this up. Yeah, if people did, Yeah,
38:33
Speaker 3: if it was a managed bloodline, I see what you're saying.
38:36
Speaker 3: And it was more some kind of deliberate approach to
38:40
Speaker 3: life at the time, yep, than something accidental. Yeah, I
38:45
Speaker 3: can't believe. I can't think of a good search term
38:47
Speaker 3: on my own website, the cosmic tusk to find that blood.
38:50
Speaker 3: Damn it. But that's what it is. Sit around the board, people.
38:57
Speaker 3: But yeah, So there are a lot of implications to
38:59
Speaker 3: the Younger Dryass impact hypothesis, and that was how I
39:03
Speaker 3: got into Okay, so I published with those guys. The
39:06
Speaker 3: reason I found out about was because of the Carolina Bays.
39:08
Speaker 3: So I got into it in nineteen ninety three and
39:13
Speaker 3: put something on the internet at God helped me. George
39:16
Speaker 3: Howard dot com in nineteen ninety eight a paper about
39:21
Speaker 3: the Carolina Bays and linked them to the Younger Dryass
39:25
Speaker 3: Cold period and said maybe it's related, and just to
39:30
Speaker 3: tell the story for the hell of it. So I
39:35
Speaker 3: wrote a buddy of mine Carolina Bays, or a series
39:40
Speaker 3: of we think now we got it up to about
39:41
Speaker 3: seventy thousand. Sometimes you see five hundred thousand, way too high.
39:45
Speaker 3: At about seventy thousand ellipses on the Atlantic coastal plane.
39:49
Speaker 3: They go from four hundred yards to five ten miles there,
39:54
Speaker 3: shallow ellipses surrounded by a white sand rim. Have you
39:57
Speaker 3: ever seen them?
39:58
Speaker 1: No?
40:00
Speaker 3: Who wants to screen share quickest? And I mean I
40:04
Speaker 3: can do it pretty well. One here too. Maybe maybe
40:07
Speaker 3: I'll do it. Hold on, but you gotta see them.
40:10
Speaker 3: You gotta see the old Carolina base. And that's how
40:12
Speaker 3: I got into this, was to public publicize the Carolina base.
40:15
Speaker 3: So I'm doing my original duty here. And in the
40:20
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties, when they first took aerial photos of them,
40:23
Speaker 3: they took the aerial photos back. It was actually down
40:25
Speaker 3: in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. And I'm going to share
40:30
Speaker 3: it here. No, I got it. I got it because
40:33
Speaker 3: I'll be able to kind of move around nice. Nice. Yeah,
40:37
Speaker 3: there we go. And I hate how you can't get
40:39
Speaker 3: them any law. Well, that's not a bad one. That's
40:41
Speaker 3: pretty large. But so I was in the wetlands business.
40:48
Speaker 3: It's actually working in the US Senate and hold on,
40:51
Speaker 3: I want to see you guys again, and now I
40:55
Speaker 3: want to go back whety Okay, And I took that one,
40:59
Speaker 3: that one right there. You took that, Yeah, and it
41:02
Speaker 3: pops up all over the place and that's cool. Yeah,
41:05
Speaker 3: just hanging my head out of assasana with a long
41:07
Speaker 3: leands camera like twenty years ago. And so I was
41:12
Speaker 3: actually working in the US Senate, you know, staff in DC,
41:15
Speaker 3: and my boss, senator, Senator Fairclaw, his name was. He
41:20
Speaker 3: was a farmer Clinton, North Carolina, and I was his
41:22
Speaker 3: wetland guy. And by that, I mean it's a very
41:26
Speaker 3: controversial thing, wetland mid uh wet wetland regulation that you
41:31
Speaker 3: have to go out and get permits and seventy five
41:32
Speaker 3: percent of eastern North Carolina you have to get a
41:34
Speaker 3: state and federal permit to build on, totally separate from
41:37
Speaker 3: any kind of regular building permit and his wetland permit.
41:41
Speaker 3: It's hugely controversial, kind of a geeky subject. And I
41:43
Speaker 3: was the geeky staffer on it, and I kept seeing
41:46
Speaker 3: references to a type of wetland, because I'm doing the
41:49
Speaker 3: whole country. He's wetlands regulation, you know, and statutory stuff whatever.
41:56
Speaker 3: And you'd see references to all different types of lands,
42:00
Speaker 3: and one of them was called you know, because you'd
42:01
Speaker 3: see you know, Palustrian woods and you know winter wet
42:05
Speaker 3: woods and mountain bogs. They are all sorts of namestag
42:09
Speaker 3: kind of wetland. There's one called Carolina Bay. And I
42:12
Speaker 3: was like, Carolina Bay. Well, I'm like the North Carolina
42:15
Speaker 3: guy doing the national wetlands thing. What the fuck is
42:18
Speaker 3: this thing called Carolina Bay? And didn't once And of
42:21
Speaker 3: course the Internet wasn't around at the time. And the
42:26
Speaker 3: boss one day, and as obviously, said could you get
42:29
Speaker 3: me a map of my farm? I said, y'all get
42:32
Speaker 3: a map here for me, and a whole lot of
42:34
Speaker 3: land in North Carolina, about forty thousand acres in one
42:37
Speaker 3: particular county called Sampson County. And he said, can you
42:42
Speaker 3: get me a USGS topo on my farm? And I
42:45
Speaker 3: didn't know what such a thing was, but I went
42:46
Speaker 3: and called the USGS Geological Service and said, can you
42:50
Speaker 3: get me one of y'all's maps that you make Federal
42:52
Speaker 3: agency and bring it over here as soon as you can.
42:55
Speaker 3: So the next morning a courier comes over. They you know,
42:58
Speaker 3: senators can get such things. They gave him a topo
43:01
Speaker 3: of his area. So I'm looking at it's about a
43:04
Speaker 3: third of the county, maybe a quarter of the county.
43:06
Speaker 3: I'm looking over his shoulder and I see all these
43:09
Speaker 3: ellipses all over his county, one after another. And I'm
43:14
Speaker 3: kind of a geography geek, and I'm like, what the
43:16
Speaker 3: hell are those things? And he said, I said, Senator, senator,
43:21
Speaker 3: what are all those like dotted green lines. They got
43:24
Speaker 3: a special like symbol, US government given it on their maps.
43:28
Speaker 3: You know, well, what are those things? They're all over
43:29
Speaker 3: your farm too? He said, meteor holes. And you know
43:36
Speaker 3: he's well into his sixties. I'm like, meteor holes. I mean,
43:38
Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself. You know, obviously he means craters,
43:42
Speaker 3: which is the better name for what happens when something
43:45
Speaker 3: impacts the Earth, not a meteor hole. But I knew
43:48
Speaker 3: what he was saying. I said, really, Senator, I said,
43:51
Speaker 3: they've never been I'm kind of a science geek, and
43:55
Speaker 3: I've never heard any mention that there was any kind
43:59
Speaker 3: of impacts from space into our beloved North Carolina, the
44:02
Speaker 3: state you represent. He says, oh, no, when I was
44:05
Speaker 3: a boy, it was a big thing. It was a
44:08
Speaker 3: big thing, the comet that hit the Carolinas. And I
44:12
Speaker 3: said really, He goes, oh, yes, something came from space,
44:15
Speaker 3: that's what caused them all.
44:18
Speaker 1: And damn it.
44:18
Speaker 3: I went back to my computer and I'm literally that
44:21
Speaker 3: week I had been hooked up with the Internet as
44:24
Speaker 3: one of the very first non technical staffers, the first
44:27
Speaker 3: probably in the US Senate, because I went and kind
44:29
Speaker 3: of half bribe the tech guy, and the Internet just
44:31
Speaker 3: come out. It's ninety three, so fairly early, said hook
44:34
Speaker 3: me up. So they weren't. I mean, there were like
44:37
Speaker 3: two dozen servers in North Carolina completely. But I found
44:40
Speaker 3: this website where this guy had laid it all out already,
44:43
Speaker 3: my buddy Bob cober So at the University of Georgia
44:45
Speaker 3: and the Digital Lab Library there. He was already an
44:49
Speaker 3: HTML guy, and he laid out the whole thing and said,
44:51
Speaker 3: you damn right there from space and here's all the evidence,
44:56
Speaker 3: which is hard to find. There was a tremendous scientific
44:59
Speaker 3: debate about it in the thirties, forties and fifties and
45:03
Speaker 3: people came to North Carolina from institutions, particularly Oklahoma sent
45:08
Speaker 3: a team University of Oklahoma, et cetera, and said, let's
45:10
Speaker 3: look and see whether these things that not have been
45:13
Speaker 3: discovered came from space. And it went back and forth
45:17
Speaker 3: and back and forth. I won't bore you with it
45:20
Speaker 3: that in the late fifties the chair of the geology
45:23
Speaker 3: department of North Carolina the university that now, if you
45:26
Speaker 3: bring the subject up, they will get up and leave
45:29
Speaker 3: the room in that department. I mean, they don't want
45:32
Speaker 3: to talk about it. It's the crazy ant in the attic.
45:35
Speaker 3: But the chair of their department almost literally died with
45:39
Speaker 3: a pen in his hand defending the fact that the
45:40
Speaker 3: damn things were from space, that they all happened at once. Now,
45:45
Speaker 3: how I could go into the varying parts of it,
45:49
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't find anything in them if it were airbursts,
45:54
Speaker 3: or if it were ice from up north where something
45:57
Speaker 3: hit up north and splattered them. And let me show
46:00
Speaker 3: you how they splatter. So Carolina days radio.
46:05
Speaker 1: Pattern.
46:07
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, Well there you go look at there.
46:13
Speaker 3: So they're seventy thousand of those things, most of them
46:18
Speaker 3: you can't see it sept through light ar. That's when
46:20
Speaker 3: you see that very colorful elevation day. You saw some
46:23
Speaker 3: of those, So we were the first people to ever
46:25
Speaker 3: look for them, Me and Alan West at light R
46:27
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago, et cetera, and so forth. So
46:32
Speaker 3: fair Call told me about these things. I go back,
46:35
Speaker 3: I get on, and I've become absolutely fucking out of
46:38
Speaker 3: my tree on it read every single thing that had
46:41
Speaker 3: ever been written about it. Had moved home North Carolina
46:44
Speaker 3: by that time, two or three years later. Then started
46:47
Speaker 3: talking to people. And then this buddy who was going
46:49
Speaker 3: to back to Carolina to get his degree, was taking
46:52
Speaker 3: a geology class. Good friend, you know, years after we graduated,
46:56
Speaker 3: he said, hey, man, could you write me out some
46:58
Speaker 3: notes on that shit you keep talking talking about those
47:00
Speaker 3: Carolina Bays Because it's a subject I can write a
47:04
Speaker 3: paper on. Could you help me out? So I wrote
47:07
Speaker 3: a twenty seven page paper for the dud and he
47:09
Speaker 3: got like a B plus, And I'm like, what am
47:12
Speaker 3: I going to do with this paper? So I just
47:15
Speaker 3: bought the url George Howard dot com and I went
47:18
Speaker 3: and just uploaded the scan to it. Then I became
47:21
Speaker 3: the hit for Carolina Bays. And now I've kind of
47:24
Speaker 3: passed the thing off over twenty five years. But then
47:27
Speaker 3: I got you know, I was like the guy if
47:29
Speaker 3: anybody wanted to email somebody. I got the email and stuff.
47:32
Speaker 3: I'm running around looking at him and taking pictures and
47:34
Speaker 3: all that putting on the internet. And I got contacted
47:37
Speaker 3: by a nutty archaeologist. And the nutty archaeologist more than nutty,
47:43
Speaker 3: he was probably certifiably in saying at that time, was
47:47
Speaker 3: William Topping. And he said in a whole bunch of
47:51
Speaker 3: high caps colored text and you know, frantic exclamation points,
47:58
Speaker 3: that he had discovered in an archael logical site and
48:00
Speaker 3: main evidence for a shower of you know, highly energetic
48:04
Speaker 3: particles from space at eight hundred years ago and stuff.
48:07
Speaker 3: And I kind of dismissed it all. And then I
48:09
Speaker 3: got another email from a guy named doctor Richard Firestone.
48:15
Speaker 3: He says, I am in touch with doctor Topping. I
48:17
Speaker 3: know he's a little unstable, he's not the best communicator
48:20
Speaker 3: at the moment, but I believe he's onto something. And
48:22
Speaker 3: this guy's writing out a good email. I look down
48:24
Speaker 3: at his address and it was one Cyclotron Drive, Berkeley, California,
48:30
Speaker 3: and I was like, huh, this guy is the real deal.
48:32
Speaker 3: And that's doctor Richard Firestone, who led the two thousand
48:35
Speaker 3: and seven paper, and he said, we went on Alta
48:39
Speaker 3: Vista or whatever the fuck it was. I mean, Google
48:41
Speaker 3: wasn't even out yet, had been searching for catastrophes over
48:45
Speaker 3: the Midwest big explosions. Found your paper on the Carolina
48:50
Speaker 3: Bays suggesting that there was a big explosion twelve thousand
48:54
Speaker 3: years ago, and you don't and had put it together
48:57
Speaker 3: with the Ard. Dress said, then I was in touch
48:58
Speaker 3: with these PhDs and then Topping, you know, went off
49:03
Speaker 3: and six years later we published that paper. So I
49:06
Speaker 3: spent a long time just with the scientists. And then,
49:11
Speaker 3: because I'm not credentialed, when I started getting really into it,
49:13
Speaker 3: you know, say ten fifteen years ago and getting on
49:15
Speaker 3: the Internet with it, I made friends with Randall Carlson
49:18
Speaker 3: and all these people who now go on. Rogan had
49:21
Speaker 3: seven very good personal friends and Dan and whatnot. And
49:23
Speaker 3: we're out there pun pimping a bunch of ideas. But
49:27
Speaker 3: this one is my lane. That not the Carolina Bays
49:31
Speaker 3: as much, because I'm still not sure they were connected
49:33
Speaker 3: to the catastrophe, which is a whole other kettle of fish.
49:35
Speaker 3: To this day. The thing I got into it, I'm
49:38
Speaker 3: not sure damn happened, but I do know there was
49:41
Speaker 3: a catastrophe, and I do believe the Carolina Bays were
49:44
Speaker 3: all created at once. Whether the timing was the same
49:49
Speaker 3: as another miner, now, that long deal right there, man,
49:53
Speaker 3: But I just figured i'd chew up some time. What
49:55
Speaker 3: do you think?
49:56
Speaker 2: What's your other theory then? If for the Carolina Bays,
49:59
Speaker 2: if it's not from.
50:01
Speaker 3: Well, there's a great guy I kind of handed here,
50:03
Speaker 3: and I'll stop the shares. I handed the baton off
50:07
Speaker 3: to three guys around the same time, like ten or
50:10
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago. Instead of me being the internet node
50:12
Speaker 3: on Carolina Bays, Antonio Antonio Zamora, Michael Davis, and my
50:19
Speaker 3: dear friend Chris Katrell, who you can see at all
50:22
Speaker 3: three years of the Cosmic Summit started researching it themselves
50:27
Speaker 3: in an even more OCD fashion. And it's an interesting
50:32
Speaker 3: thing when you're obsessed with something for twenty five years
50:34
Speaker 3: and you're able to hand it off to people that
50:35
Speaker 3: are even more obsessed, because then you're like, all I
50:39
Speaker 3: got to do is just watch them run, And they
50:41
Speaker 3: all ran in slightly different directions, so they don't agree,
50:45
Speaker 3: but they're good friends, which we stressed at the last summit.
50:49
Speaker 3: We had Antonio come and Chris come. Antonio thinks still
50:53
Speaker 3: thinks it's at twelve nine, that it is the younger drissiple.
50:56
Speaker 3: In fact, Davius and Katrell and many others put it
51:03
Speaker 3: and Tim Harris I should mention Tim. They say it
51:06
Speaker 3: was an impact into Saginaw Bay, Michigan. You know how
51:10
Speaker 3: Michigan is a glove, you know whatever, it's that thing
51:15
Speaker 3: that makes that is a weird looking little dimple in
51:18
Speaker 3: the earth that makes Saginaw Bay. And to check that
51:20
Speaker 3: out or maybe I'll call it up, but there was
51:24
Speaker 3: two miles of ice above that stuff at the time,
51:27
Speaker 3: so it would have left a weird little dimple when
51:30
Speaker 3: you had a particularly big impact. Because remember I said,
51:33
Speaker 3: there are all sorts of pieces that could have come
51:36
Speaker 3: in that day. It's like traffic, summer trucks, summer priuses, right, Well,
51:41
Speaker 3: the truck might have hit the ice there and then
51:45
Speaker 3: it would have launched just like you would picture happened
51:47
Speaker 3: if he shot a damn rifle. And god knows a
51:50
Speaker 3: lot of people have and I've actually gone on TV.
51:53
Speaker 3: I've been on TV throwing rocks into a puddle to
51:56
Speaker 3: show the splash pattern, because that thing I just took
51:59
Speaker 3: off the sheer it looks like and there are other
52:02
Speaker 3: ways to view it also all over the internet. People
52:04
Speaker 3: to go look, but it looks like a splash pattern.
52:08
Speaker 3: It looks like something hit. It splashed out, So they
52:10
Speaker 3: said hit sagon All Bay. And it launched the ice,
52:13
Speaker 3: the glacial ice that covered the Earth at that time,
52:15
Speaker 3: the northern northern hemisphere, and light launched hypersonic ice boulders
52:22
Speaker 3: damn near into orbit. But they didn't make it all
52:24
Speaker 3: the way. They just made it one nine hundred miles
52:27
Speaker 3: down to North Carolina in the East coast, or you
52:29
Speaker 3: saw the spread then it's like psh. And when it
52:35
Speaker 3: landed the earthquake. This is what some amura contributed. I
52:39
Speaker 3: believe this. I don't know when it happened, but I
52:41
Speaker 3: kind of this is what I'm kind of like the approach.
52:44
Speaker 3: But he says the earth quake would have gotten here first.
52:47
Speaker 3: And all of that Atlantic Coastal plain you see, all
52:50
Speaker 3: has shallow soils, right, shallow sandy soils. It's all flat,
52:54
Speaker 3: so they call it Atlantic Coastal plane. And if you
52:56
Speaker 3: go shake that stuff hard enough, it turns into liquid.
53:00
Speaker 3: Their videos and all sorts stuff of Japan where you
53:02
Speaker 3: can see a hotel half dumped into sand and you'll
53:05
Speaker 3: see the top of a car and it's just flat
53:07
Speaker 3: sand because it just turns into damn quicksandals for just
53:10
Speaker 3: a few minutes. He says, the earthquake would have preceded it.
53:14
Speaker 3: It has shut the ship out of it. It's all liquid.
53:16
Speaker 3: The ice chunks, land splash out. That makes the bay
53:20
Speaker 3: rim and then the ice melts. So there, you don't
53:25
Speaker 3: go find a meteor. It's a secondary impact. This probably
53:29
Speaker 3: does not fit your audience profile at all, but really
53:34
Speaker 3: it definitely does because I can apologize.
53:41
Speaker 1: I'm just making doms No, I never thought of again,
53:46
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like you know, from different people's perspectives,
53:50
Speaker 1: I never thought of like the meteor impacting like something
53:53
Speaker 1: like you know, like you're saying ice and then I
53:54
Speaker 1: guess basically creating ice missiles and that sense. Again somebody's
53:59
Speaker 1: point of view, it could be like either that metea
54:01
Speaker 1: or killed everybody, or it was raining fucking ice, you
54:05
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like again, with all that different
54:06
Speaker 1: types of destruction, you could.
54:08
Speaker 3: And the earth would have been checking out. It was
54:10
Speaker 3: at twelve nine, because remember again that's so wild, don't
54:13
Speaker 3: necessarily tie the two. I call the Carolina Bay part
54:17
Speaker 3: the kooky caboose of the young, the greater, younger, dry
54:20
Speaker 3: sympyp aposas. So when we published the first paper in
54:23
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, we used it as evidence, if
54:25
Speaker 3: you will, But then it was controversial within our group.
54:29
Speaker 3: It's a controversial subject, so even within our whole publishing team,
54:32
Speaker 3: and it wasn't the best evidence. We started finding, you know,
54:37
Speaker 3: nano diamonds, you know there's at that layer. They're huge
54:41
Speaker 3: peaks of atomically scaled diamonds, like you know, orders of magnitude,
54:48
Speaker 3: more than you find above or blood. The whole thing
54:50
Speaker 3: is Carrott tri see.
54:51
Speaker 1: If well, what even the massive amounts of gold that
54:54
Speaker 1: we have even show that we've been fucking smashed plenty
54:56
Speaker 1: of times, because don't they say gold doesn't come from Yeah?
55:00
Speaker 3: Will impacts are a huge part of deep history geology, right,
55:07
Speaker 3: I gotta quit saying right on camera.
55:09
Speaker 2: You learn not to. It's one of those things that happens,
55:12
Speaker 2: you know, and everybody else does.
55:15
Speaker 3: It's all of us, we all learned, right, and it's
55:18
Speaker 3: just an awful thing. It's like asking a question like
55:21
Speaker 3: you're supposed to go, yes, you're right, or do you
55:24
Speaker 3: all know what I'm talking about?
55:26
Speaker 1: Yeah?
55:29
Speaker 3: Or maybe you just keep your mouth shut. That's good.
55:34
Speaker 2: I like this because just so you know how it
55:38
Speaker 2: would connect to I mean, because Nick has all kinds
55:40
Speaker 2: of different people coming on and talking about different cataclysmic
55:44
Speaker 2: events and earth things as well, and so the audience
55:47
Speaker 2: is definitely in on the in on the in the jazz,
55:50
Speaker 2: as they say, as the kids say these days, yeah,
55:53
Speaker 2: but yeah, don't don't watch the comments. But the idea
55:56
Speaker 2: is then that why it's the forensics is so important,
56:02
Speaker 2: But the forensics is nothing without the human perceiver to
56:05
Speaker 2: perceive them. And so the idea of why the Younger
56:10
Speaker 2: Drives period is so important is because of there are humans,
56:14
Speaker 2: There are people that experience these things. Otherwise we won't
56:18
Speaker 2: be talking about it. Because that's why it's so important.
56:21
Speaker 2: We first talk about, as you already did, you talk
56:23
Speaker 2: about the flood mythologies that are in every culture known
56:26
Speaker 2: to man, no matter what it is, some kind of
56:28
Speaker 2: cataclysmic event happened at the beginning of time, time being
56:32
Speaker 2: the historical blueprint of how our consciousness unfolds and how
56:36
Speaker 2: we then collect data to create stories to understand said
56:41
Speaker 2: events through time. And so what you're doing is you're
56:44
Speaker 2: giving us the details and the matter of fact blueprints
56:49
Speaker 2: so we can all have a clear image of there
56:52
Speaker 2: being something more than what we were told in our
56:56
Speaker 2: history books through this time. And you are a truth
56:59
Speaker 2: for and ziic seeker of Earth's cosmology in doing so.
57:03
Speaker 2: And I think that's really important and goes right along
57:05
Speaker 2: with exactly what Nick's been doing, so we.
57:07
Speaker 3: Might fit into some That's right. Y'all are coming at
57:10
Speaker 3: some of this from a different perspective, and it's welcoming
57:13
Speaker 3: to see. Again I overused the ternament, but you're using
57:17
Speaker 3: it correctly. Forensic. You know, this is real evidence. This
57:20
Speaker 3: is an inference or comparative mythology or any of that.
57:22
Speaker 3: I love to talk about all that for speculation or
57:25
Speaker 3: let's see what Plato said, any of that. This is
57:29
Speaker 3: hardcore and I'll if you'll was I sharing my screen? Okay,
57:35
Speaker 3: that's fine. I forget. I'm used to hosting, and I
57:40
Speaker 3: didn't know whether I'd screwed that up. But see there's
57:42
Speaker 3: a you can see that black Matt all over the world.
57:46
Speaker 3: I mean that alone, You're like, what my favorite picture?
57:49
Speaker 3: And this is the iconic photo.
57:50
Speaker 1: See that?
57:53
Speaker 3: That's it Murray Springs in Arizona, which is a state park,
57:57
Speaker 3: And I mean that's a serious that's not some side shot.
58:01
Speaker 3: You know that that is a very famous place for
58:05
Speaker 3: paleontology for digging up bones of animals and also for
58:08
Speaker 3: anthropology where you're digging up and looking for the spear
58:11
Speaker 3: points and that kind of stuff. All those bones and
58:14
Speaker 3: everything they're only found right there. But look what else?
58:19
Speaker 3: See how the for thousands of years? So that right
58:22
Speaker 3: there and this is mainstream as hell is thirteen thousand
58:25
Speaker 3: years right right there we go, So that's thirteen thousand
58:30
Speaker 3: years as you can see. Then below that, let's call
58:34
Speaker 3: that twenty thousand years. Well, look, it was fairly consistent
58:38
Speaker 3: everything that happened all those years, and then something went
58:42
Speaker 3: down and everything the fuck changed? Right? Or am I
58:46
Speaker 3: seeing things right now?
58:48
Speaker 1: That's really interesting that that photo that you have. Could
58:52
Speaker 1: you show the you have another one because it looks
58:54
Speaker 1: like something I've seen before.
58:56
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, man, here's in Belgium. Hold on, well, there's
58:59
Speaker 3: a New Jersey.
59:00
Speaker 2: I feel like I saw something like this when Graham
59:02
Speaker 2: Hancock was doing a documentary or something, and he was pointing, yeah.
59:06
Speaker 3: Graham and Graham and I worked together for years on
59:09
Speaker 3: an off.
59:09
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of this guy. His
59:11
Speaker 1: name is Jason. He's friends with Ricardo George and he
59:15
Speaker 1: lives in Alabama. And I know he's been showing these
59:19
Speaker 1: he's been big, showing these, these big, like you know,
59:22
Speaker 1: structures of rock and stuff. And I happened to go
59:25
Speaker 1: down there to film some of the stuff that he had,
59:28
Speaker 1: and he was showing me an area where I was like,
59:31
Speaker 1: supposedly the rocks is supposed to be as old as
59:33
Speaker 1: like three billion years old. I I can't buy that,
59:36
Speaker 1: but whatever, but there is a part where it looked
59:39
Speaker 1: like me and him were like, yo, was that metal
59:41
Speaker 1: running through the in between lay as of stone? And
59:46
Speaker 1: I'm wondering now if it was actually that, but like
59:50
Speaker 1: there was it actually literally looked like it was almost
59:52
Speaker 1: like kind of like metal of some sort of thick separation.
59:57
Speaker 3: Stone.
59:59
Speaker 1: I have to I have to look at the video again.
1:00:02
Speaker 1: No was it? No? No, it was a hard substance. Yeah, okay,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: like rock yeah yeah yeah yeah right right.
1:00:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that just means the same thing happened, but
1:00:12
Speaker 3: older if you wait long enough and come back, and
1:00:15
Speaker 3: you know, two or three million years, if you're lucky,
1:00:17
Speaker 3: that will have turned into a black line and rock.
1:00:20
Speaker 3: But you could take your hand and dig that out now,
1:00:22
Speaker 3: because it's only thirteen thousand years ago. So the dinosaur
1:00:26
Speaker 3: boundary where the dinosaurs blink out, this incidentally is in Belgium,
1:00:33
Speaker 3: all right, So that's all the way over in Europe.
1:00:35
Speaker 3: The other ones you saw, that's like in the US.
1:00:38
Speaker 3: So you've got this layer of destruction and when we
1:00:41
Speaker 3: look at it, we find a number of proxies for impact.
1:00:44
Speaker 3: You can't find a video of the actual impact, but
1:00:47
Speaker 3: you can find the leftovers. And that's a well established
1:00:51
Speaker 3: set of evidence that comes from you used to be
1:00:54
Speaker 3: called the KT boundary dinosaur.
1:01:01
Speaker 1: Come it.
1:01:02
Speaker 3: See that's when it turns into rock. Can y'all still
1:01:05
Speaker 3: see that? Yeah? See that's rock probably out in Colorado, yep.
1:01:12
Speaker 3: In Colorado first discover there. So they have a certain
1:01:16
Speaker 3: chemical well not a chemical element that they got a
1:01:21
Speaker 3: better start in their claim because the proponent, his father
1:01:26
Speaker 3: was a Nobel prize winner and then dad joined in,
1:01:29
Speaker 3: said everybody listened to him a little bit better than
1:01:31
Speaker 3: they listened to us at first, but they even had
1:01:33
Speaker 3: a fourteen year fight over it, right, and they said,
1:01:35
Speaker 3: if we go and test the elemental composition of that
1:01:39
Speaker 3: black band, it is dramatically different than anything below it
1:01:43
Speaker 3: or above it.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: It was even there was even stuff like this at
1:01:48
Speaker 1: the police they went too, just like that where it
1:01:49
Speaker 1: looked like it was like burnt rock some shit, just
1:01:52
Speaker 1: like what that's right.
1:01:55
Speaker 3: To this st Yeah, And the world changed there, no
1:02:00
Speaker 3: doubt about that. But that was sixty five million years ago.
1:02:03
Speaker 3: And all we're doing is say and something similar, not
1:02:05
Speaker 3: quite as dramatic, because we would not be here had
1:02:08
Speaker 3: we endured the dinosaur thing but a little bit, you know,
1:02:12
Speaker 3: not quite as bad a beating, but took a real
1:02:15
Speaker 3: beating thirteen thousand years ago. And as y'all said, it
1:02:18
Speaker 3: has implications across huge domains of human experience and inte life.
1:02:24
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. I keep thinking about the psychology aspectaultry.
1:02:27
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, psychology, yeah, yeah.
1:02:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it even does to the just yeah, the
1:02:32
Speaker 1: human it's got to change it.
1:02:34
Speaker 2: Well, it's always so fascating. I also think it's like
1:02:36
Speaker 2: what if it was one of those things where a
1:02:39
Speaker 2: civilization reaches a level of advancement, and it's kind of
1:02:42
Speaker 2: a sink or swim kind of event that happens, like
1:02:46
Speaker 2: a Fermi paradox, where all of a sudden we can
1:02:48
Speaker 2: move forth in our human evolution, and yet we fail
1:02:52
Speaker 2: miserably and we haven't figured out how to get through
1:02:55
Speaker 2: certain massive events like this, just like in our normal,
1:02:57
Speaker 2: everyday lives when we go through paradigm shift initiations and
1:03:03
Speaker 2: moments where you can either rehash old things and you
1:03:06
Speaker 2: have to go through harder suffering, or you can get
1:03:08
Speaker 2: through it and you become superhuman or right like Ubermensch style,
1:03:12
Speaker 2: you know, become the magician who understands what's going on
1:03:18
Speaker 2: with the planet cyclical nature, you know or not.
1:03:21
Speaker 3: It's good to keep in mind that most of those cultures,
1:03:25
Speaker 3: including the course the Christian one, would tell you that
1:03:28
Speaker 3: that was no accident, that we were being wiped out
1:03:31
Speaker 3: deliberately because we were wicked and we'd lost our way.
1:03:35
Speaker 3: That's part of the story.
1:03:36
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, the watchers, that's what's so important. And then
1:03:39
Speaker 2: you get into people like doctor Heather Lynn and her
1:03:41
Speaker 2: work with on Anachy revelation. I don't know if you've
1:03:45
Speaker 2: done much deep dive into what she's doing and out there.
1:03:47
Speaker 2: But it's quite fascinating to kind of tap into the
1:03:51
Speaker 2: magical lineage of history through time.
1:03:53
Speaker 3: I will poke my head in the hole, definitely. She was.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doctor Heaven, Danny Jones, a little bell, Yeah,
1:04:01
Speaker 2: Nick Cateran, I've had her on.
1:04:03
Speaker 3: She's fascinating, She's cool chick.
1:04:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing I didn't want to get into. I
1:04:07
Speaker 1: didn't even realize how much I was gone by already.
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Was actually must be enjoying myself here. No, yeah, So
1:04:14
Speaker 1: I hate to try to jump forward, but like, you know,
1:04:17
Speaker 1: let's get to the Cosmic summid teens wrap up if
1:04:20
Speaker 1: you like. No, no, no, I want you to get
1:04:22
Speaker 1: you Cosmic Summit didn't start talking about you know, how
1:04:24
Speaker 1: you got that going and UH and what you got
1:04:27
Speaker 1: come coming up? You know, going forward with all that stuff.
1:04:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I guess I did kind of preface it
1:04:32
Speaker 3: well because start with those scientists. Then I made friends
1:04:37
Speaker 3: with the uh speculators as I call them, right, people
1:04:41
Speaker 3: who were just out there that one way or another,
1:04:43
Speaker 3: say Randall Carlson being a very significant one, and Graham
1:04:46
Speaker 3: Hancott and hung around with Graham and traveled with him.
1:04:50
Speaker 3: So I'm and all that stuff, and I got in
1:04:53
Speaker 3: touch with them. Whereas the normal scientists in our group
1:04:57
Speaker 3: that had helped prove what they had been saying for
1:04:59
Speaker 3: many years that there was a civilization before it was destroyed.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: We think this literally happened. And they weren't speaking just
1:05:07
Speaker 3: for myth, nor was Graham. There was already some decent
1:05:10
Speaker 3: suggestive science that said some of this stuff's out there.
1:05:14
Speaker 3: The younger, driest group, the comment Research group, was caused.
1:05:16
Speaker 3: We just really found it in spades, okay, But they
1:05:19
Speaker 3: had been saying all this stuff. So then I kind
1:05:21
Speaker 3: of get in a different circle, didn't move over into it,
1:05:24
Speaker 3: but I had a foot in both lanes. The PhDs
1:05:27
Speaker 3: who had never read anything about Atlantis to Graham Hancock right.
1:05:35
Speaker 3: And then I actually had had a company for twenty
1:05:39
Speaker 3: five years, was in the wetland mitigation banking business, and
1:05:43
Speaker 3: sold it in twenty twenty two, and I was like, man,
1:05:46
Speaker 3: I need another gig. Man, I'm only fifty eight and
1:05:49
Speaker 3: I need something to do, and kind of like the
1:05:52
Speaker 3: account that sells his business. But really his thing wasn't
1:05:57
Speaker 3: really numbers, it was fishing. So he then goes in
1:06:00
Speaker 3: as the Marina so at least you can be in
1:06:02
Speaker 3: another business that like is really in your sweet spot.
1:06:07
Speaker 3: So that was the point of the summit was to
1:06:09
Speaker 3: kind of try to create a business around my sweet
1:06:12
Speaker 3: spot in my head and then invite the PhDs and
1:06:19
Speaker 3: the speculators and the model or whatever is roughly one
1:06:25
Speaker 3: third published heretical evidence. Like they're unpopular on the hallway
1:06:30
Speaker 3: at the college as they keep saying this shit they
1:06:33
Speaker 3: found and it fucks everything I've been teaching up for
1:06:35
Speaker 3: one hundred years, you know, you know, so, and they're
1:06:38
Speaker 3: out there that finding those PhDs and then and they
1:06:43
Speaker 3: don't have to be a PhD, but generally or and
1:06:46
Speaker 3: put them together with two third speculators and YouTubers basically,
1:06:51
Speaker 3: so you take the YouTubers and a lot of times
1:06:54
Speaker 3: that we try to find the ones that are actually
1:06:56
Speaker 3: referencing their studies, like Janna ja Games says, hey, they've
1:07:01
Speaker 3: got a new study out that further strengthens the hypothesis
1:07:05
Speaker 3: that there was a catastrophe. And I like to talk
1:07:07
Speaker 3: about Atlantis and that's why I talk about So you
1:07:09
Speaker 3: get them together. I just thought that make a good mix.
1:07:12
Speaker 3: So that's what we did for three times, and then
1:07:14
Speaker 3: skipped a year and created this new thing called Titan Network,
1:07:18
Speaker 3: where I think I talked about earlier, but where we
1:07:21
Speaker 3: will have an event Riley next year is going to
1:07:23
Speaker 3: be just as important as the previous ones. Well I
1:07:25
Speaker 3: guess we were talking before we got on it, but
1:07:28
Speaker 3: we are going to have one again next year. We
1:07:29
Speaker 3: skipped it this year because personal reasons. I needed a
1:07:34
Speaker 3: year off and we wanted to put together the Titan Network,
1:07:41
Speaker 3: which we have, which is a creator support network and
1:07:45
Speaker 3: a news network called Titan News, and it is hosted
1:07:49
Speaker 3: at Cosmic Summit now, but you will see it branded
1:07:52
Speaker 3: within Cosmic Summit, and in fact Cosmic Summit the physical
1:07:56
Speaker 3: event will kind of fade into secondary status to tighten news,
1:08:01
Speaker 3: and we're gonna report basically daily count daily content on
1:08:06
Speaker 3: what's going on in what we call our constellation of subjects.
1:08:10
Speaker 3: It's not just one. Everything from the damn templars to
1:08:14
Speaker 3: ancient tsunamis to break through energy. We've kind of got
1:08:18
Speaker 3: a little list. I mean, y'all know, that's the interesting
1:08:21
Speaker 3: thing about what y'all are covering. You've got ten or
1:08:24
Speaker 3: twelve things too. Some of them intersect and some you
1:08:27
Speaker 3: know what I mean, But it's all in the same thing.
1:08:30
Speaker 3: So we've got this little, our little constellation of subjects.
1:08:33
Speaker 3: We're gonna try to keep everybody up on them through
1:08:35
Speaker 3: excuse me, through Tightan News. And that's been stretching me
1:08:39
Speaker 3: real hard because I'm having to do a lot more content,
1:08:43
Speaker 3: not just the podcast, like having to read scripts and
1:08:46
Speaker 3: all this stuff. But we're gonna have a studio here
1:08:48
Speaker 3: in Raleigh soon enough, downtown and yeah, yeah, probably have
1:08:52
Speaker 3: something on the sidewalk within a year. I don't think
1:08:54
Speaker 3: we'll initially rent something on the sidewalk, but one of
1:08:57
Speaker 3: those ones is actually a place beside the the TV studio.
1:09:02
Speaker 3: It's actually kind of affordable and just go in there
1:09:04
Speaker 3: as a bunch of crazies talking about wild hit on
1:09:07
Speaker 3: the internet and be right there beside the ABC eleven.
1:09:12
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah you know, yeah, would you come down
1:09:16
Speaker 3: for that loon? Yeah, you could do some live work
1:09:20
Speaker 3: with us. See then place and you could sit with
1:09:22
Speaker 3: somebody and quit these fucking zoom calls. I don't care
1:09:28
Speaker 3: if it's an eight hundred buck a month closet somewhere
1:09:33
Speaker 3: where you could just sit with somebody, But then you
1:09:36
Speaker 3: can't fly them in. None of us have enough money
1:09:37
Speaker 3: to do that yet, but we would hope to build
1:09:39
Speaker 3: it so that relatively soon we start doing that, and
1:09:42
Speaker 3: we've already got some good sponsors. I don't know y'all's
1:09:45
Speaker 3: nor do we need to talk with the audience. It's
1:09:47
Speaker 3: hard to make money in this stuff, and you do
1:09:49
Speaker 3: it for years for absolutely nothing is the business plan,
1:09:54
Speaker 3: you know?
1:09:55
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean I was actually telling you
1:09:58
Speaker 1: the truth when when I went to the Cosmic some
1:10:00
Speaker 1: of I was kind of blown away by the production.
1:10:02
Speaker 1: I just did not even know that much went into
1:10:04
Speaker 1: this stuff.
1:10:05
Speaker 3: Yeah money man, Well, I was just gonna say, I mean,
1:10:10
Speaker 3: that was really appressive, terrible financial things. I think what
1:10:15
Speaker 3: we can do though, just to answer that, that's one
1:10:18
Speaker 3: on me and it's just me spending wildly trying to
1:10:21
Speaker 3: make it a good thing. And it depends on how
1:10:23
Speaker 3: you look at it. I felt like I bought something
1:10:25
Speaker 3: even though the actual thing lost money. I bought something
1:10:27
Speaker 3: that's worth more and.
1:10:29
Speaker 1: I was an experience.
1:10:31
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and Metal I hell of a lot
1:10:33
Speaker 3: of good people and we're continuing to work with them
1:10:35
Speaker 3: in the Tightan network. It's the origin of that whole thing.
1:10:38
Speaker 3: And I teamed up with these two younger fellas. I
1:10:40
Speaker 3: should mention them, Trent Wilson and Beckett Fusik, who you
1:10:43
Speaker 3: will see a lot on Titan Network. And Beckett was
1:10:46
Speaker 3: the put mildly the social media manager for Cosmic Summit
1:10:51
Speaker 3: right off the bat, and that's why we got a
1:10:53
Speaker 3: million followers across all platforms.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: He's cool.
1:10:55
Speaker 3: I mean, these young men know what they're doing.
1:10:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like him. I saw him, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:11:01
Speaker 1: get along with him. Yeah.
1:11:02
Speaker 3: I saw him might wondering whether they got a network
1:11:07
Speaker 3: approach for you man.
1:11:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even I told him because he remembers that
1:11:12
Speaker 1: whole situation that happened last time. I said, dude, and
1:11:14
Speaker 1: I said, you remember how much I was busting my
1:11:16
Speaker 1: ass though. I was like, if you ever need somebody,
1:11:18
Speaker 1: keep me in mind. You know, I was even trying
1:11:20
Speaker 1: to sell myself and pitch myself to the dude, I
1:11:22
Speaker 1: smeear to God, I would take.
1:11:24
Speaker 3: I mean, they're there various approaches to it. I wouldn't
1:11:26
Speaker 3: call them plans because you're not paying for something. But
1:11:29
Speaker 3: I don't know. Creators are at varying stages, and what
1:11:32
Speaker 3: we try to do is raise the bar across all platforms.
1:11:36
Speaker 3: And if you look at in the most simplistic way.
1:11:39
Speaker 3: You could take a cult rejax and not surely you're
1:11:42
Speaker 3: doing shorts now, right, No, I don't seen.
1:11:44
Speaker 1: So I've yeah that pilot. Other people have done them,
1:11:47
Speaker 1: and I've probably been.
1:11:48
Speaker 3: A half dozen. Well they do three a day everywhere.
1:11:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gotta beat the algorithm I was doing.
1:11:58
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but but what but we've mastered it ye,
1:12:01
Speaker 3: and I mean completely mastered it. I mean when I
1:12:04
Speaker 3: signed the contract in twenty twenty three, I said, these
1:12:06
Speaker 3: young guys, there's no way they're going to keep up
1:12:07
Speaker 3: with this. I bet I'll like it, but I'll have
1:12:09
Speaker 3: to readjust when we re up if I like it,
1:12:12
Speaker 3: because there's just no way. I don't want anybody promising
1:12:15
Speaker 3: me three things a day of anything because they're not
1:12:17
Speaker 3: going to keep up with it. Oh yeah, we're three
1:12:19
Speaker 3: nine hundred videos in now, never missed a beat. And
1:12:22
Speaker 3: what happens is the editors who obviously manage AI. So
1:12:26
Speaker 3: you've got two levels working there. You got fantastic AI stack,
1:12:30
Speaker 3: and then you've got editors who are going to manage
1:12:33
Speaker 3: what that content that is being pulled for your brand,
1:12:38
Speaker 3: and our editors understand the space better than anybody else.
1:12:43
Speaker 3: And what happens is I've talked to several other pretty
1:12:46
Speaker 3: big podcasts about this that might be coming on board
1:12:49
Speaker 3: and others. That's why I think we've got more twenty
1:12:51
Speaker 3: people who've joined up now. But you'll be good at
1:12:55
Speaker 3: doing your podcast, or you'll be really good on Instagram,
1:12:58
Speaker 3: or you'll be really big on face and I could
1:13:00
Speaker 3: give you examples all of them, but there's no way
1:13:04
Speaker 3: in you're organic still, you're still doing it yourself, and
1:13:06
Speaker 3: you're making a little bit of money, but there's no
1:13:08
Speaker 3: way you can go cover all five of them, all platforms,
1:13:13
Speaker 3: in long content, medium clip content, and short content. There's
1:13:17
Speaker 3: just no way unless you hire a staff. But what
1:13:20
Speaker 3: happens is people will go hire companies, but then the
1:13:23
Speaker 3: people who are putting together their content ain't into the subjects.
1:13:29
Speaker 3: They don't know them, so they can't direct the AI properly.
1:13:33
Speaker 3: And then the creators looking at this stuff going yeah,
1:13:35
Speaker 3: I'm getting whatever their deal is, ten shorts a week,
1:13:39
Speaker 3: but they're not really what I want going out there.
1:13:43
Speaker 3: But all of our creators, because they grew up with
1:13:46
Speaker 3: the subjects of the last three years, understand the stuff
1:13:50
Speaker 3: and occults close enough to it, in fact that some
1:13:52
Speaker 3: of them are probably already into it. In fact, I
1:13:55
Speaker 3: know Brittany is, who's my producer. Yeah well, I like, yeah,
1:14:01
Speaker 3: it's worth looking at.
1:14:02
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, uh yeah. He's a cool dude. I
1:14:04
Speaker 1: remember when I when I met him at a Cosmic summit.
1:14:07
Speaker 1: Just just you know, I'm not trying to you know,
1:14:08
Speaker 1: you know, promote you guys here. But you know, he
1:14:10
Speaker 1: didn't ask me to do this. I'm just being legit.
1:14:13
Speaker 3: Uh right ahead.
1:14:14
Speaker 1: He just watching him and the other guy that was
1:14:17
Speaker 1: with him. I remember there was one other dude that
1:14:19
Speaker 1: I just saw him with. Yeah, I think so he
1:14:21
Speaker 1: had long aheair, I think if.
1:14:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, both of them good looking young man.
1:14:25
Speaker 1: You could definitely tell they knew what the hell they
1:14:27
Speaker 1: were doing, especially with the equipment, how they did everything,
1:14:31
Speaker 1: the way they followed people, the way they recorded live stuff.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: I was just like, these guys know yeah, yeah, well
1:14:37
Speaker 1: that's what I think it is too. They're young, and
1:14:39
Speaker 1: they know how to get they know how social media works,
1:14:42
Speaker 1: and they know how to get people's attention.
1:14:44
Speaker 3: He's good. You know. Beckett had a full boat to
1:14:47
Speaker 3: you and say to Carolina, and he told his parents
1:14:49
Speaker 3: I ain't going to college, he said, I've been making
1:14:52
Speaker 3: money on the internet since I was fourteen and I'm
1:14:54
Speaker 3: in college.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely, and his.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: Parents are glad he didn't now you know, he did it,
1:15:00
Speaker 3: you know. And they're only, like I say, twenty five,
1:15:02
Speaker 3: but the most emotionally mature twenty five year olds I've
1:15:05
Speaker 3: ever met. And other people have said out about them
1:15:07
Speaker 3: two other older people like me or whatever. No, they
1:15:10
Speaker 3: really mean they I don't know how they got that way.
1:15:12
Speaker 3: I thanked his parents. I said, y'all did a good job.
1:15:15
Speaker 3: So I'm going into business with these two twenty five
1:15:18
Speaker 3: year old AI kids. Either that's the smartest thing I
1:15:21
Speaker 3: ever did or the dumbest, you know what I mean.
1:15:24
Speaker 3: I just turned six. Well you could have been awful.
1:15:26
Speaker 2: But it sounds like it's going well.
1:15:28
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I don't think they're into this to fail.
1:15:30
Speaker 3: I think we got like ten sponsors. Now they were,
1:15:34
Speaker 3: they're not advertising yet. It's all just you know, but
1:15:37
Speaker 3: I think like when some of them are signed and
1:15:40
Speaker 3: there actually been some income and so hopefully you can
1:15:45
Speaker 3: get you know, and there's plenty of it out there,
1:15:49
Speaker 3: but not really what we're doing. I don't know they
1:15:52
Speaker 3: explain it better. But it's a vision and it's not
1:15:55
Speaker 3: necessarily mine, but it kind of helped come from a
1:15:58
Speaker 3: vision I had. Now they're taking it big time where
1:16:01
Speaker 3: we try to stay responsible and stay current and not
1:16:05
Speaker 3: just repeat the same old things we've heard about so
1:16:08
Speaker 3: many subjects. There's things going on on a weekly basis.
1:16:12
Speaker 3: Now i'll call it news the past. Shit we found
1:16:16
Speaker 3: out happened right, This did not happen today. Okay, but
1:16:21
Speaker 3: it seems like something happened back then and because of
1:16:25
Speaker 3: what happened today, and that's not out there yet, so
1:16:29
Speaker 3: keep your fingers crossed forced appreciate it.
1:16:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last time I saw him it was at
1:16:33
Speaker 1: a Wandering wolfsonvan and I didn't really know the full
1:16:37
Speaker 1: detail of Like I knew he was involved in the
1:16:39
Speaker 1: social media and the filming and stuff, and you know,
1:16:41
Speaker 1: I was just bullshitting with him for a little bit
1:16:43
Speaker 1: at the bar and he started getting into like I guess,
1:16:45
Speaker 1: like his goal, like what he was doing, and I
1:16:47
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, dude. I was like, I had
1:16:50
Speaker 1: no idea. This was all up in that head of
1:16:51
Speaker 1: you was an all behind everything you were doing, damn right, man.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was like shit, this dude's.
1:16:58
Speaker 3: For my age and also a big picture thinker. I
1:17:03
Speaker 3: like to think and occasionally been some business as a visionary,
1:17:06
Speaker 3: and the I just know one when I see them,
1:17:09
Speaker 3: they know what they're picturing and I can get basically
1:17:12
Speaker 3: because you know, it's so hard to understand these ecosystems,
1:17:16
Speaker 3: and they are they're like ecosystems, and if you're not
1:17:20
Speaker 3: a biologist of them and grew up with the thing
1:17:23
Speaker 3: as it's emerged over the last fifteen twenty years, you're
1:17:25
Speaker 3: somewhere behind. And they're just not behind. Like when they
1:17:28
Speaker 3: use Vario platforms to do this or that, all that
1:17:31
Speaker 3: shit you sign up with to go get things done.
1:17:33
Speaker 3: These days they will switch that shit. Boom boom, they
1:17:37
Speaker 3: will go note, we're going over this, We're going to that.
1:17:39
Speaker 3: You know, ay, no, it's whatever's working that day. Same
1:17:43
Speaker 3: with AI, they and then all the websites everything. It's
1:17:47
Speaker 3: just the leverage that you can create if you properly
1:17:50
Speaker 3: manage AI and you don't have to be a coder
1:17:53
Speaker 3: or any of that shit, or an AI engineer, but
1:17:55
Speaker 3: just a young person who is following every bit of
1:17:59
Speaker 3: the tool making in this space, and you get good
1:18:02
Speaker 3: at all those tools work and you can do things
1:18:04
Speaker 3: like the interesting thing like if you took them to
1:18:06
Speaker 3: y'all's podcast. Y'all have a tremendous amount of pod of
1:18:09
Speaker 3: content right it will go look at every single episode
1:18:15
Speaker 3: and find the ten best clips of all time and
1:18:18
Speaker 3: just start with those.
1:18:20
Speaker 2: What AI is this?
1:18:24
Speaker 3: No, it's a complete stack. There's no way one person
1:18:26
Speaker 3: could operate it. There about I don't know. They got
1:18:29
Speaker 3: ten or twelve right now. That are varying parts of it.
1:18:31
Speaker 3: You got to but you talked to Bocking about it.
1:18:34
Speaker 3: Hen proprietary necessarily.
1:18:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's chat with him. I use chat, GBT and
1:18:38
Speaker 2: Claude in many different ways as well as I clip.
1:18:41
Speaker 2: I use Opus clips to help me clip up things,
1:18:44
Speaker 2: which is a cool a clipper, but it still is
1:18:46
Speaker 2: so flawed. I want it's like I never can get
1:18:49
Speaker 2: you can obviously never a silver bullet.
1:18:51
Speaker 3: Otherwise they use a lot of claw code of course
1:18:54
Speaker 3: and whatnot. And I know that they're very familiar with Opus,
1:18:57
Speaker 3: but they've got a different thing going on now, particularly
1:19:01
Speaker 3: in the going back and looking at all the old context.
1:19:03
Speaker 3: That one great because it's just gold that's sitting there.
1:19:07
Speaker 3: You're trying to go every day do something that this
1:19:10
Speaker 3: is valuable today, tomorrow is valuable. But what about the
1:19:13
Speaker 3: other ones?
1:19:15
Speaker 1: I agree? Yeah, somebody just said I.
1:19:17
Speaker 3: Said cooler things. I'm not going to say things cool
1:19:20
Speaker 3: as it's the top ten coolest things I said last year.
1:19:23
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, a math on work. No, even with
1:19:27
Speaker 1: like new listeners sometimes and not going to scroll back
1:19:29
Speaker 1: six or eight months, they're just gonna, you know, kind of.
1:19:31
Speaker 3: Listen to it. And what you do is call it
1:19:34
Speaker 3: manipulation or whatever. It's what the game is. But you
1:19:36
Speaker 3: do the shorts to get people to say, hey, I
1:19:38
Speaker 3: like that little clip. I want to go listen to
1:19:40
Speaker 3: their podcast. Of course, y'all know that. I mean, that's
1:19:42
Speaker 3: the way. That's the game. Yeah, that's the game. And
1:19:46
Speaker 3: you've already got a big following. Man, I'm not trying
1:19:49
Speaker 3: to sell you on this. This is yeah.
1:19:51
Speaker 1: I know, I know what you mean. I know, believe me,
1:19:53
Speaker 1: believe me. I've watched other people do very well with shorts,
1:19:55
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the fuck, I just yeah, it blows
1:19:58
Speaker 1: my mind.
1:19:59
Speaker 3: Man. When we started, I mean, they get millions. I
1:20:02
Speaker 3: tell you, it's trailed off. You just wonder whether somebody's
1:20:05
Speaker 3: got their finger on the button, not on you specifically,
1:20:07
Speaker 3: but on these subjects. And we're still gaining. I mean,
1:20:10
Speaker 3: at one time we were getting a thousand followers a
1:20:12
Speaker 3: day on Facebook.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:20:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it ain't that now it's like
1:20:17
Speaker 3: one fifty or something. But you're like, what the fuck
1:20:19
Speaker 3: causes that? And it wasn't necessarily related to the virility
1:20:23
Speaker 3: of any particular thing. I mean, try to figure it
1:20:26
Speaker 3: out that they're closer to it than I am. They
1:20:28
Speaker 3: usually got a pretty good answer, but even they are like,
1:20:31
Speaker 3: who the fuck was it? Just it waxes and wanes.
1:20:36
Speaker 3: Don't go clip this watch this will turn into clips
1:20:39
Speaker 3: for the next two weeks. Absolutely, yeah, it'll find out.
1:20:44
Speaker 3: I'll tell to find you know, the very best of
1:20:46
Speaker 3: you guys.
1:20:49
Speaker 1: Is there any uh? I mean, I know it's probably
1:20:52
Speaker 1: a little bit of way, but is there any people
1:20:54
Speaker 1: that you could say he's going to be at the
1:20:56
Speaker 1: next one speakers?
1:20:59
Speaker 3: I just to y'all, k know who. Andrew Collins is
1:21:04
Speaker 3: an old hand in this on Ancient Aliens. And incidentally,
1:21:08
Speaker 3: two other people from Ancient Aliens have joined up on
1:21:10
Speaker 3: the Titan Network. David Hadcher Childress, oh yeah, yeah, and
1:21:15
Speaker 3: William Henry or the network and they're of the previous generation,
1:21:20
Speaker 3: so that's why it was valuable to them because they
1:21:23
Speaker 3: had all of this content. Now you can't go use
1:21:25
Speaker 3: ancient alien clips and whatnot, but those guys have done
1:21:28
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff out there, and now they're able
1:21:31
Speaker 3: to bring it all forward and kind of bring it
1:21:33
Speaker 3: into their own brand without having to be at the
1:21:36
Speaker 3: mercy of ancient aliens or whatever, which I'm sure is
1:21:38
Speaker 3: a good gig. But point being, I'm sorry, what was
1:21:45
Speaker 3: the question now?
1:21:46
Speaker 1: Actually you might be talking about tn T. I was
1:21:49
Speaker 1: actually asking about speakers and cosmic soubmity, if there.
1:21:51
Speaker 3: Was speakers at cosmics, there was any that maybe I interviewed.
1:21:55
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I interviewed Andrew Collins the
1:21:57
Speaker 3: other day, and he is of that generation, you know,
1:22:01
Speaker 3: ancient Aliens for twenty years and speaking at conferences for
1:22:04
Speaker 3: forty and writing books, which used to be the way
1:22:08
Speaker 3: to get your word out. So and Collins hasn't spoken
1:22:10
Speaker 3: at the summit yet, and he's good. The problem is
1:22:14
Speaker 3: we're going to take the roster from twenty seven back
1:22:17
Speaker 3: down to like seventeen to get the economics right. So
1:22:21
Speaker 3: it's very very hard. It was hard to pick one.
1:22:24
Speaker 3: That's how it got up to twenty seven last year
1:22:27
Speaker 3: is because there's so many good people out there, man,
1:22:30
Speaker 3: so we want to figure out a way to get
1:22:32
Speaker 3: seventeen you know, main stage speakers and then have another
1:22:37
Speaker 3: tier one way or another, these people are going to
1:22:39
Speaker 3: be there, and we did some of that in previous
1:22:45
Speaker 3: years too, where you just have kind of special guests.
1:22:48
Speaker 3: They're not speaking, but they're on the thing that is
1:22:51
Speaker 3: going to attend. So you try to get the whole
1:22:54
Speaker 3: community there one way or another, but you just don't
1:22:56
Speaker 3: have the you know, setting up three live stream stage
1:23:00
Speaker 3: which is you know, is what we had to do,
1:23:01
Speaker 3: three of them, all prepared for live stream. It was
1:23:03
Speaker 3: just its very expensive. Yeah, that's amazing.
1:23:07
Speaker 2: When do you have people just coming there and setting
1:23:09
Speaker 2: up their own live streaming stuff to help do it
1:23:11
Speaker 2: in a different way.
1:23:13
Speaker 3: No, No, I hoped more of that would happen, and
1:23:15
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people did. Video.
1:23:17
Speaker 4: Well that's how we met just what people know that
1:23:26
Speaker 4: it's too complicated.
1:23:27
Speaker 3: Its flame. But me and Beckett confronted Nick and Trent
1:23:32
Speaker 3: and said he needed to turn his fucking camera off
1:23:35
Speaker 3: because he was back there with a full professional setup
1:23:37
Speaker 3: and we didn't know who he was.
1:23:39
Speaker 2: Who the hell is his ball?
1:23:40
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you kidding me? They don't
1:23:41
Speaker 1: even know who the fuck I am.
1:23:45
Speaker 3: Guy Richard Calvera, you know, Natural Philosophy Institute had contacted
1:23:50
Speaker 3: me a month or two before and said, hey, can
1:23:52
Speaker 3: we record there and record the whole thing? I said sure,
1:23:56
Speaker 3: And and I just thought he meant somebody'd be pulling
1:23:59
Speaker 3: out a little cam camera. But you see somebody back there,
1:24:01
Speaker 3: a pro like yourself, you know, obviously head to the
1:24:04
Speaker 3: thing and like who is this guy? You know?
1:24:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like literally had to like you were a
1:24:12
Speaker 1: big camera too.
1:24:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a camera, And so that that's
1:24:17
Speaker 3: a very odd way to meet. And it's good to
1:24:19
Speaker 3: come back and kind of you know, knit that back
1:24:21
Speaker 3: together my man.
1:24:22
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah.
1:24:22
Speaker 3: And then but I like you said, you had a
1:24:24
Speaker 3: great time with the summit, then you didn't have to
1:24:25
Speaker 3: fuck with the camera, That's what I said.
1:24:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. After after that happened, I was like, yo, I
1:24:29
Speaker 1: had a blest because I wasn't worried about recording anything.
1:24:32
Speaker 1: For anybody to just hang out and be like everybody
1:24:34
Speaker 1: else had a fucking bully, that's awesome.
1:24:37
Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna have another one in Raleigh next year.
1:24:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, no, I'm very much looking forward to that.
1:24:42
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Can't wait.
1:24:43
Speaker 3: Cool.
1:24:43
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll get Uh, you think Randall Carson
1:24:46
Speaker 1: will show?
1:24:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't know. No, of course Randall will be there.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: Nice.
1:24:50
Speaker 3: And I'd like Johanna James to host again. She's a
1:24:53
Speaker 3: part of the Titan Network. And I hope, you know,
1:24:57
Speaker 3: might have my friend Felipo BEYONDI with some of the
1:24:59
Speaker 3: next discoveries. I've made very good friends with the scan team,
1:25:02
Speaker 3: you know, with the satellite scanning technology, And just got
1:25:05
Speaker 3: back from Italy where I went to his presentation there
1:25:07
Speaker 3: and did some recording with him. And yeah, I think
1:25:11
Speaker 3: that's totally legit. I think that is a technical thing.
1:25:14
Speaker 3: It is not WU in the least, but boy, it
1:25:17
Speaker 3: bugs the WU people because some technologists just stepped in
1:25:20
Speaker 3: and said, hey, man, actually can see beneath the permids
1:25:22
Speaker 3: and it's even wilder than you ever claimed on your wildest,
1:25:25
Speaker 3: wildest YouTube video. And for some reason that made kind
1:25:29
Speaker 3: of alternative crowd is equally as skeptical of this guy,
1:25:32
Speaker 3: and I might look into him. He's published fucking forty
1:25:35
Speaker 3: papers that I can't even I don't even know what
1:25:37
Speaker 3: he's talking about. I mean, the math is so dense,
1:25:40
Speaker 3: and I've dropped it into varying things. This has been
1:25:42
Speaker 3: a while, and they go, oh, absolutely, it's legit, you know,
1:25:46
Speaker 3: Chad and Claude and whatnot. I mean, this is real,
1:25:50
Speaker 3: very highly complex, technical radar tomography. And that's what doctor
1:25:54
Speaker 3: Beyondi has done for thirty five years. He did not
1:25:57
Speaker 3: just wake up in the morning and say, honey, guess
1:26:00
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna go. Come up with some fake power
1:26:03
Speaker 3: points and photos shops, some stuff like I'm sensing something
1:26:07
Speaker 3: beneath the pyramids, and put my entire highly technical and
1:26:11
Speaker 3: distinguished career completely at risk because if anyone ever goes
1:26:15
Speaker 3: and looks down there, they'll know I was full of shit.
1:26:18
Speaker 3: But I'm still gonna do it.
1:26:19
Speaker 1: Nobody does that, and he's gonna spend his own money
1:26:21
Speaker 1: doing you too.
1:26:22
Speaker 3: Nobody does that. I mean, so it's not a fraud,
1:26:25
Speaker 3: it's not a griff to Some guy said the other day,
1:26:28
Speaker 3: this horrible guy Milo Rossi or whatever minute man on
1:26:32
Speaker 3: YouTube who has millions of followers an awful thing on
1:26:36
Speaker 3: Felipo and called him a fraud and all that stuff,
1:26:38
Speaker 3: and actually said, and he should know better as a YouTuber.
1:26:40
Speaker 3: He said, Oh, he's doing it for the appearance fees
1:26:43
Speaker 3: on podcasts. Y'all name it. I mean, Rogan doesn't pay
1:26:47
Speaker 3: an appearance fee. Anybody that's paying an appearance fee for
1:26:51
Speaker 3: a podcast ain't nobody making money being guests. They'll fly
1:26:53
Speaker 3: you there, Rogan puts you up in a nice hotel.
1:26:55
Speaker 3: I stayed it when with brand A Woods. But but
1:26:58
Speaker 3: that's it. I mean, Felipo ain't doing it for that.
1:27:01
Speaker 3: So then the other option becomes he's fooling himself. But
1:27:06
Speaker 3: I'm pretty well aware of some third parties that have
1:27:08
Speaker 3: looked at over fairly carefully. No, this is a real deal.
1:27:11
Speaker 3: It's not beyond imagination that man has now come up
1:27:15
Speaker 3: with a way to look a couple of miles under
1:27:17
Speaker 3: the earth. Of course we'd figure that out at some point,
1:27:21
Speaker 3: and he did. And where you're gonna point it, Let's
1:27:23
Speaker 3: get point at the Pyramids. That'd be cool.
1:27:26
Speaker 1: It's one of the first places I would have thought.
1:27:28
Speaker 3: Of, exactly, first place you to won't point it right.
1:27:31
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I thought I thought Another
1:27:34
Speaker 1: second independent company has already confirmed that they got the
1:27:38
Speaker 1: same results. I could be wrong, but well it's been confessed.
1:27:41
Speaker 3: But we shouldn't know that you're wrong. But right, oh,
1:27:48
Speaker 3: now with the commercialization people, and then people will probably say, oh,
1:27:52
Speaker 3: he's on the griff too. But I don't have any
1:27:53
Speaker 3: interest in the company or whatnot. I just think it's
1:27:55
Speaker 3: fascinating to follow the commercial side of it, because my
1:27:58
Speaker 3: God would be you know, it's a very valuable technology
1:28:02
Speaker 3: if it be so, and I want to do all
1:28:04
Speaker 3: the due diligence I could on it because I'm traveling
1:28:07
Speaker 3: for it, and I've made him a centerpiece of the
1:28:08
Speaker 3: Cosmic Summit, and I just want to get all into
1:28:11
Speaker 3: this technology. And Buddy, not only does everything appear to
1:28:15
Speaker 3: be real, it appears to be much better than real,
1:28:18
Speaker 3: Like get ready for MRIs of the Earth. Like there
1:28:22
Speaker 3: will be no underground secrets anymore. Now. They'll they'll protect it.
1:28:27
Speaker 3: This is a legit company. They're not going to go
1:28:29
Speaker 3: look at defence facilities and things like that. And I
1:28:32
Speaker 3: think they're gonna have I know they'll have checks and
1:28:34
Speaker 3: balances in place for that, but we're gonna be able
1:28:36
Speaker 3: to look anywhere anybody ever wanted to look.
1:28:40
Speaker 2: Really is that going to be like what they did
1:28:41
Speaker 2: with the Great Pyramids to see underneath what is it
1:28:44
Speaker 2: the Sphinx or whatever that stuff that just came out
1:28:46
Speaker 2: with the Yeah.
1:28:49
Speaker 3: It just got back from it with Philippa and spent
1:28:52
Speaker 3: a couple of days with him, and yeah, that's an
1:28:56
Speaker 3: easy one. All you got to do is dig down there.
1:28:58
Speaker 3: So if he's a fraud would be revealed as such
1:29:02
Speaker 3: at some point of course. Why would you something that's
1:29:05
Speaker 3: at a location that's easily achievable taking out the Egyptian problems,
1:29:10
Speaker 3: why would you claim something in there? Yeah?
1:29:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, uh. And I will even say, Brandon, I
1:29:19
Speaker 1: don't know if you I don't think you caught at
1:29:20
Speaker 1: the beginning when I mentioned it because you weren't here.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: I met those guys at Cosmic Summit, and literally because
1:29:26
Speaker 1: they came up to me and spoke to me, I
1:29:30
Speaker 1: didn't even approach them. So I'm saying, like these guys
1:29:33
Speaker 1: like they're not even like they're like super like like
1:29:37
Speaker 1: there was no monetary value of him talking to me.
1:29:39
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know what I'm saying. Like he was
1:29:42
Speaker 1: actually interested and asked me what I thought about everything.
1:29:45
Speaker 3: That's awesome, and I was just like, Wow, the summit,
1:29:48
Speaker 3: Didny Nick? He talked to everybody man trying to social butterfly.
1:29:52
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, he's a great pr for you because I
1:29:56
Speaker 4: can't wait till next year because I'm actually trying to
1:29:58
Speaker 4: figure out how I'm going to get down there.
1:30:00
Speaker 3: Bring it, old Loon. I'll let you guys know as
1:30:03
Speaker 3: soon as we do. Instead a date, man, and we're
1:30:05
Speaker 3: gonna do it soon. Well, I'm actually reaching out the
1:30:07
Speaker 3: convention center tomorrow. I've already talked to him, but I
1:30:09
Speaker 3: wasn't ready to start getting dates. But I'm ready now.
1:30:12
Speaker 2: Nice, And which one is that you're talking about the
1:30:14
Speaker 2: Cosmic somm You're talking about the Cosmic Summit right and
1:30:17
Speaker 2: holding it in Raleigh next year? In Raleigh next year? Nice,
1:30:20
Speaker 2: Maybe Kiva and I should fly down.
1:30:23
Speaker 3: That's right, easier flying better town long story Wide didn't
1:30:27
Speaker 3: do it originally.
1:30:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually is like really easy to get in and
1:30:30
Speaker 1: out of Tude.
1:30:31
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic here. You just walk in and out
1:30:34
Speaker 3: about place I've never waited in a lot more than
1:30:36
Speaker 3: five minutes years.
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Speaker 2: And that'd be great because then I yeah, and then
1:30:40
Speaker 2: I could put do a whole show on it on
1:30:42
Speaker 2: on my channel as well, and we could give you
1:30:44
Speaker 2: extra extra fucking push.
1:30:47
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we've podcast partners come in.
1:30:52
Speaker 1: That's where I met Mike and Dave.
1:30:53
Speaker 3: There.
1:30:54
Speaker 1: I met Mike and Dave's multiverse. I met them there.
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Speaker 2: Do you guys have the Brothers Serpent come there as well?
1:31:00
Speaker 3: Do you know those guys three years and had a
1:31:03
Speaker 3: three Those guys are cool.
1:31:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, one other question they did want I did
1:31:09
Speaker 1: want to ask about just the upcoming one. The last
1:31:13
Speaker 1: one that I was at. I thought it was really
1:31:15
Speaker 1: interesting and I was some of my favorite stuff. You
1:31:19
Speaker 1: had Bob Greenier that kind of did something with Ashton Forbes,
1:31:23
Speaker 1: like he kind of came in to cover a little
1:31:24
Speaker 1: bit of the occult. And then you had Scott Walter
1:31:28
Speaker 1: and Timothy Hogan and I think they kind of did
1:31:31
Speaker 1: a bunch of gnosissism. And at the same time, I
1:31:33
Speaker 1: think Colson was doing something on a like Caballo whatever,
1:31:37
Speaker 1: and I was like, y, this is amazing right now. Yeah,
1:31:39
Speaker 1: they're gonna have stuff like that.
1:31:40
Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to pick. A lot of people
1:31:42
Speaker 3: complain they were too many. They don't't have to pick,
1:31:44
Speaker 3: and we're like, okay, we'll just go down to one stage.
1:31:46
Speaker 3: But we just have. Yeah, there's a trade off there,
1:31:50
Speaker 3: but but thanks for yeah, framing it that way. That's
1:31:53
Speaker 3: exactly what it was. Yeah, well, there's a lot of
1:31:55
Speaker 3: those are completely different subjects, but then they kind of
1:31:58
Speaker 3: blend into each other.
1:31:59
Speaker 1: No, they do. Yeah, you're gonna have, you're gonna have
1:32:01
Speaker 1: like the temple is going to be there again and stuff. Yeah,
1:32:04
Speaker 1: who who, Well, well the do you think the templars
1:32:06
Speaker 1: will be there again?
1:32:08
Speaker 3: Probably? So yeah, definitely. No.
1:32:10
Speaker 1: No, I thought that was great. I thought that was great,
1:32:13
Speaker 1: the stuff that they covid.
1:32:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, they're on to something. I didn't know a
1:32:16
Speaker 3: damn thing about templar stuff until three or four years
1:32:19
Speaker 3: ago when I asked Scott to back up. We lost
1:32:22
Speaker 3: some speakers and I was at another conference and I said, well,
1:32:24
Speaker 3: maybe I asked Scott Walter. He's pretty famous, and man,
1:32:28
Speaker 3: then I started reading his books and said, I said,
1:32:30
Speaker 3: holy ship, there's a lot here. Man. Yeah.
1:32:34
Speaker 1: I even thought, uh, because I'm big, you know, I'm
1:32:37
Speaker 1: into gnosticism, And I thought Timothy Hogan did an amazing joke.
1:32:40
Speaker 3: He's such a great guy.
1:32:41
Speaker 1: Yeahs have y'all had him as a guest. No, I've
1:32:46
Speaker 1: tried reaching out to him.
1:32:47
Speaker 2: Actually it's hard to get a hold of I've reached
1:32:48
Speaker 2: out to him too.
1:32:49
Speaker 3: I helped you out with that.
1:32:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be greatful.
1:32:52
Speaker 3: My network handles all your booking. Birch helped me out.
1:32:58
Speaker 3: That's what they had a weekly podcast, fellas I might
1:33:00
Speaker 3: need to sign off.
1:33:01
Speaker 1: You got to hey, yeah, no, that's good. No, no, no,
1:33:03
Speaker 1: perfectly fun.
1:33:04
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1:33:21
Speaker 3: then I have a blog that I'm starting to blog
1:33:23
Speaker 3: again a little bit more of a post one tonight
1:33:25
Speaker 3: called the Cosmic Task.
1:33:27
Speaker 1: Oh nice, okay, awesome, Well, Joyce, thank you so much
1:33:30
Speaker 1: for coming on. I really had a bless Thank you.
1:33:32
Speaker 3: Y'all are good guys. We hit it off.
1:33:34
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I really look forward to uh again to
1:33:38
Speaker 1: another one. Like I said before, it was a blest.
1:33:40
Speaker 1: It was. I had a lot of fun. And again
1:33:42
Speaker 1: the speakers they actually talk to the people, so it's
1:33:45
Speaker 1: pretty wild to be like, holy shit, this guy's actually
1:33:47
Speaker 1: talking to me. It's awesome, has an experience, So if
1:33:50
Speaker 1: you can make it, I suggest it. But thank you
1:33:52
Speaker 1: again George, and thank you Loon, and thank you Brandon.
1:33:54
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and everybody in the chat. That is
1:33:57
Speaker 1: what's up. That's where we go live and until the
1:33:59
Speaker 1: next one, everybody be well. Laa