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Talks to Glenn Fitzgerald about his choice of The Stones of Blood (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Oh, well, I thought you'd be pleased.
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  I might have guessed your favorite planet.
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  How do you know that? Oh, everybody knows that.
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  Tell everybody that. I can't think why for the life
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  of you. Well, you'll like it.
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  It's pretty civilised on the whole oxygen level.
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  Good. Slight acrid precipitation.
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  You mean it's raining? So it would appear.
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  Oh, well, that's what the locals call a soft day.
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  Oh, really? Anyone for tennis?
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  Tennis. Yes.
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  It's an English expression. It means is anyone coming
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  outdoors to get soaked? Master.
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  God duty for you, canine. We don't know if the natives are
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  friendly yet. Master.
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  Canine What is tennis? Real lawn or table mistress?
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  Never mind, forget it. Forget you raise memory banks
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  concerning tennis. Memory erased.
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  Hamster with a dump pen knife will do it.
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  Quicker, quicker, quicker. Welcome back to a Hamster with a
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  Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who Commentary Podcast.
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  I am here today. Well, actually before I even
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  announce, I think I should say thank you to my guest today, Mr.
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  Glenn Fitzgerald, for all of your support, all of your lovely
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  comments. I don't know how long you've
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  been following Hamster, but I've been aware of your comments for
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  some time now. How long have you been listening
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  to this thing? That'll be two years now.
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  All right then. Well, coming up for two years.
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  Bless you. I thought you had a slightly
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  sarcosic look in your eye. Is that exposure to hamster
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  that's done that to you? Well, it has been mentioned
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  before, yeah. Glenn, how are you today?
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  I'm very well, thank you. How are you?
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  Well, as I said, I've been napping all morning so I'm full
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  of beans and. We're about to.
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  Watch a really great Doctor Who story.
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  So we are. What are we talking about
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  tonight? We're going to talk about one of
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  my favourites, if not my favorite, the Stones of Blood.
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  Of all time, your favorite of all time?
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  Yeah, I mean it. My favorite does vary
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  occasionally, but it always seems to come back to the stones
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  of blood. Yeah.
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  Well, that seems like a fair question to ask you to start off
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  with then. So what would be battling for
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  the top spot with the Stones of Blood?
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  Well, without embarrassing yourself, it's going to be
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  Lagopolis. OK, no, no.
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  I spoke to someone recently. That's their favorite story.
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  Right Day of the Daleks. Banger.
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  Enlightenment, which I know is a bit probably frowned upon from
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  various places but has always been one of my favourites.
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  I'm definitely in the sort of 70s, early 80s.
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  Is that where you came into fandom?
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  Well, I was born in the early 70s.
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  I don't think I've really become a fan until probably 1990s
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  around there when I left school. So but it was it was something
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  that was always on in our house. It's definitely everybody shut
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  up, sit down and watch Doctor Who.
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  I'm sorry to make this an interrogation already, but so
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  with you. Your fandom hit in the 90s?
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  Was it buying VHS then? I well, my my fandom came about
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  simply because of a clip on Blue Peter and a picture in ATV
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  rental window. Because there was a clip on Blue
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  Peter when I come home from school, I think it was, and they
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  were selling off a load of Doctor Who props.
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  And I, I only caught the tail end of it.
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  And I said to me mate, the next day at school, what was all that
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  about on Blue Peter last night? And he said, oh, they're selling
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  off all that rubbish from Doctor Who because it's finished.
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  And I was just like, oh, what what are you talking about?
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  It's finished. He went, yeah, it's all been
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  cancelled. It's all done and gone.
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  And I thought, no, I'm not having that.
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  So I've tried to cling on to it as much as I could.
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  If you'd have got hold of some of those props, Glenn, you could
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  have. That could be your pension
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  although. Yeah.
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  Everybody, I'm here to tell you right now I'm looking at a cyber
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  helmet, and that's not a euphemism and a vengeance on
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  Varos original. Is that the one that Owen teals
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  wearing? Maldak is it that one?
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  I believe so, yeah. Oh.
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  God, Owen Teals. I don't know how to say this
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  without sounding rude, but Owen Till's head has been inside that
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  thing. How exciting.
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  I should have worn it. Well, yes.
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  It would have been a bit odd though during the Stones of
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  Blood commentary. Dressed up in cosplay for
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  Avengers of Virus, right? Well, how stranger things have
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  happened in this house. So did you devour all of it then
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  as it was coming out all the VHSS?
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  Yeah, well, my first thing I ever bought was the Peter Hain
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  in 25 Glorious years. Is it?
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Which? I know is a bit frowned upon
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  these days, but I absolutely devoured that book.
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  I must have read it cover to cover so many times it's full.
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  Of information full of the bank history of Doctor Who.
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  And it's got in the back, it's got all the listing of the
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  episodes and up to a point. And, and to me, that was that
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  was, that was my Internet back then.
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  That was my source of information.
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  I think my first VHS was I believe the Five Doctors.
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  So many people say. This.
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  Yeah, because I I don't think there was that many around.
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  Sorry, my chair squeaking. I don't think there was that
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  many around then and I think the five doctors was the way of
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  getting, oh, like a lot of the doctors on one tape.
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  I mean, please don't apologise about squeaky shares, you know,
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  have you not heard the noises that are put out on this
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  podcast? I have indeed have.
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  You heard Fraser Gregory's opinions.
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  I mean, I'll put out some pretty unusual noises.
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  I didn't think it'd be long before his name was mentioned.
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  The beast, honestly. Oh, he said good luck today as
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  well and sending his love. Thank you very much.
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  Well, look, OK, so the Five Doctors have really, you know,
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  the fact that, you know, you can't afford a second mortgage
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  because you spent so much money on Doctor Who to is frankly down
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  to Terrence Dixon. Yeah.
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  And the Five Doctors A. 100% yeah, it's.
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  Great though, isn't it? It's a great.
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  Story. It's one of them, one of them
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  VHS's that got worn out. I've still got it.
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  I've still got all my VHS's. Glenn, do you remember tracking
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  on VHS's? You know when you've got fuzzy
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  lines? Oh my God, I'd watch certain
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  scenes over and over again and my mum would be like, now I know
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  which bits you're watching, all the violent bits, because that
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  was all the bits where all the tracking went bad.
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  Kids don't know they're born these days, do they?
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  They don't. They don't know how easy they've
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  got it now. I mean, what would you have
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  done? Please tell me what your
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  reaction would have been if I got went up to you age, let's
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  say 14. They said.
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  Hello Glenn, I'm from the future, I've bought AAPC from
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  the future and on it is the BBC iPlayer and the entire library
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  of Doctor Who. There you go, you have that.
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  I don't know. It's it's incomprehensible and
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  it's you can't believe it. Yeah, I can sit and watch Doctor
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  Who on my phone at work, at tea break.
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  But in on on a flip side of that coin, does that take a bit of
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  the excitement out of it? A little bit I think that you
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  can. Because you can binge it now, I
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  think there there's less of an attachment to it.
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  We built up our collection so slowly, didn't we?
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  And so passionately. Nowadays you can just have it
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  all at the push of a button. See, you don't have to strive
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  for it, you know? Exactly.
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  It was, it was exciting waiting for that next release to come
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  out or wondering what it was getting on the train going to
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  the shop. Those VHSS all came out in weird
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  orders. In there you had a different
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  doctor each month. Yeah, yeah, they were very
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  biased sometimes as well, I felt.
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  Towards who? So, yeah, there didn't seem to
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  be much of the early start, earlier stuff or or the later
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  stuff. It was very sort of migraines,
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  Yeah, very suddenly. I mean, I understand that from a
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  marketing point of view, but as a Doctor Who fan, I wanted those
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  black and whites so badly. Yeah, yeah, I think the first
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  black and whites I've got was the the two case set of the
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  Daleks and I bought that from the museum and moving image from
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  their Doctor Who exhibition. I was so chuffed with that,
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  Yeah. Did you go and see the giant
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  robot at the moment? I did.
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  Did you say Haycock like Tom Baker?
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  Did. Yeah, God, that was a fabulous
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  exhibit, wasn't it? It was that was, that was a
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  really good one, that was. I remember being particularly
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  obsessed with the the Morlocks creature, which probably says a
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  lot about the future of my life. Really.
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  You know, like it was. Yeah, I think I was obsessed by
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  the Dalek that was that was knackered, that is in two
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  halves. I think it was an old blue and
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  silver one, wouldn't it? If I recall?
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  And little did you know, in the future, you'd be sitting in a
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  room with actual props behind you.
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  There, yeah, I mean. Glen, you probably thought at
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  some point you was going to grow up, Ryan, become an adult, but
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  clearly this has not happened like with me.
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  No, no, and I don't want it to happen either if I'm honest.
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  Are we a similar sort of age? I'm 45, are we around about the
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  same sort of age? Yeah, I'm going to be 51 in a
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  few weeks. Oh, you're looking great on it,
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  but well, thank. You very much.
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  I think it's a bit too late for us to grow up now, if I'm
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  honest, like. No point is there.
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  We could be talking about something really sophisticated
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  today, like what's sophisticated like azimuth or something like
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  that, you know, but. Instead.
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  Oh no. Instead, we're going to watch
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  Amelia Rumford running away from stones on casters.
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  Exactly. What about season 16?
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  Now you've shared the story, what about season 16, the Key to
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  Time? What do you think of it?
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  Well, on the Hull, but I'm honest, it's not one of my
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  favourites because there's there's a couple of stories in
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  there that just don't really do anything for me but Stones of
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  Blood. We could be falling out any
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  minute, you and me. Which stories name?
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  Them I'm going to have to say the Armageddon factor.
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  Oh. Well, I mean, I can understand.
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  It's very long, isn't it? Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's it's never been one of my favourites and I've never
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  been a fan of the ribos or ribos.
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  I know, I know. So I'm getting a coat.
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  No, you're right. All bizarre opinions are welcome
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  here. I'll refer you again to Fraser
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  Gregory. Yeah, it's ironic, though,
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  because Mary Tan is probably my favorite companion.
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  Of all. I think she.
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  Hang on. No, hang on.
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  Is it because she's a stunning actress or?
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  Because she's. A stunning looker.
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  Might have sort of 80% do with it what the?
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  Latter or the former? OK.
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  Great actress. Great looker, yeah.
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  Yeah, but she's she's, she's, it's like she's on par with the
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  doctor with her intelligence. And you know it it.
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  It was a nice change to have that.
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  I mean, did you see her? I mean, I was watching this the
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  other day and she's in that sort of purpley Reddy costume with
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  all of her hair out at the end of this.
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  I was like, I mean, have we ever had a more Audrey Hepburn like
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  companion? She's like a movie star in the
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  middle of this cheap old show. She is, it's, it's, it's
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  definitely got the Hollywood look about her.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm going to say this to you, Glenna.
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  I think you've been quite a get, you know, as a, I'm assuming,
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  heterosexual man. You've been all right for our
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  Doctor Who. OK, You've been quite lucky with
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  very pretty ladies, where for me it's slim tickets.
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  OK. No wonder you love Classico so
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  much. I hadn't actually thought of it
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  like that. Oh, sorry.
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  Welcome to Hamster. Yeah, they always used to say
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  for the dads, didn't they? Like yes, Bryan, unfortunately.
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  We're old enough to be dads now, so.
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  Yeah. Yeah, well, look, should we go
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  in and watch episode 1 of this and we'll explore what you love
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  about this story in this season that you don't love so much?
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  Very well, yeah. Well, how about you count us in?
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  Right, let's I'm all I'm all queued up and not clued up.
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  That, well, I'm not queued up or clued up, I'm afraid.
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  So. You have to bear with.
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  Me. Are we ready?
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  Oh. I'm ready.
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  In 321 play. Off we go.
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  Now come on now, this time tunnel.
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  This must. You must love this.
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  This, this is the iconic opening for me.
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  This is my childhood. What does it?
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  What does it mean to you then, that opening the promise of
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  adventure? It means promise of adventure,
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  it means a cosy Saturday night in with with Mum making the tea
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  and oh it's lovely. Good old days.
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  Hang on a minute, what sort of tea did she make?
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  Yeah. On a Saturday we will.
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  Saturday afternoons we used to go down, down into town and
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  she'd buy iced buns and I can't believe this.
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  I had ice buns yesterday for the first time in years.
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  They were on reduction in in Waitrose.
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  I thought, God, I've had a nice finger for ages.
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  That'll be done now. Here is gorgeous Marytown and
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  Tom Baker. Let's talk about Tom.
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  Yeah, this is this is possibly he's really settled in here and
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  he he's and you can tell he's actually loving this.
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  It's it's after probably another season, then he starts getting.
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  Itchy feet. Yeah, I'm not.
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  I don't want to say fed up with it, but you can tell a bit long
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  in the tooth do. You think there's a finite
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  amount of time then that somebody should play the role?
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  Like maybe 3 or 4 years. Yeah, I think so.
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  But I think if they're a favorite, you also don't want
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  them to go, do you? So I was devastated when Tom
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  left. Oh, you said Lacopolis was one
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  of your favourites, didn't you? Yeah.
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  Oh, I. I can only imagine what you was
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  going for. Rosie was at the top of that
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  tower. Oh, I mean, I mean how old would
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  I have been? 8 something like that.
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  I literally remember getting up and standing in front of the TV
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  watching that no. Oh my God, almost as if you
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  could just no stay, you know, trying to grab hold of him.
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  I must have been in everybody's way, but I was there.
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  Did you learn to love Peter Davidson eventually?
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  Yeah, probably, probably about two or three episodes in the
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  cast of Valve. You're that fickle, are you?
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  How did you took two episodes? Now I can't help but notice
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  blood is being poured over. We don't see blood a lot in
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  Doctor. Who We don't No, this is this is
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  probably where my lifelong love of horror started.
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  I reckon we've got really. You big horror fan.
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  Yeah, massive horror fan all. Right, I'm going to pop quiz you
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  now then. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, sure, top 3 horror movies, but they can't all be from the
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  same franchise. They got to be from different
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  places. Let's get a taste of the horror
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  that you like. Well, my top three would be The
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  Conjuring. OK.
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  Hell Raiser. Pin it right.
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  Pin it. Yeah, and probably insidious.
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  Oh yes. I also I really like Mike
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  Flanagan's stuff as well, like the series, you know, like
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  Haunting of Hill House and things like I like scary stuff
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  as opposed to slasher gory stuff.
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  I was expecting, I don't know why I was expecting you to say a
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  lot of older stuff. There was quite a lot of modern
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  stuff that you. Mentioned yeah, you was probably
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  expecting like Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th and.
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  I mean, I I love both of those franchises.
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  Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah.
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  But I, I think they're more sort of slashes.
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  I'm more into scary horror. I like them.
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  Sorry. I like, I like sort of a low
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  budget British horror that not a lot of people have heard of.
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  I find them more atmospheric, more scary.
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  So like Doctor Who then where they have to build atmosphere
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  without a lot of money? Yes, storytelling.
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  I was going to, I saw my next question there was going to be,
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  well, how does that sort of seek into Doctor Who?
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  But I suppose Doctor Who did that all the time, didn't it?
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  Great horror with frappence. Exactly where where you haven't
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  got the money you you sort of try and tell it through a story
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  or through creepy bit of music and atmosphere.
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  And I think the 70s was good at that.
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  Assuming you like that bit later on in this story, then, where
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  those two are in 10 touching. Oh, you stand in the middle of
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  the night? Yeah, that's that's that's
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  something that scarred me for life.
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  I think that's one I've never. Forgotten.
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  How would you have been when you saw that?
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  What year is this? 78 end of 78 and it's so odd
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  have been coming up for five. Wow, actually that is going to
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  burn itself in your mind. Yeah, I mean, my, my very
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  earliest memory of Doctor Who is only snippets here and there,
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  but he's Morbius, his brain in the jar.
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  Oh. Boy, yes.
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  I've never forgotten that. I've never forgotten the fear.
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  I I remember hanging on to me mum's neck just watching this
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  brain in a jar talking. Do you know what mine is?
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  My very earliest memory of Doctor Who?
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  Well, it's twofold, actually. It's Sarah Jane running through
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  the mist in Death to the Daleks from that very early VHS 'cause
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  I just thought, you know, you could see all those hands sort
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  of coming. Yeah, in the side of on the
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  rocks. And I just, I thought, my God,
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  something's in that mist that's going to get a terror.
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  But the other thing was all that blood down the arm of Nurse
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  Lamont from Terror of the Zygons.
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  Yes, yeah. Jesus.
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  Terrifying. Almost, yeah.
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  I hugged knees instead of necks. I was there hugging my mother's
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  knees. Like, you know, yeah, we've all
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  done it, haven't we? Oh, boy.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, I lost my mother five years ago, and I'll still
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  miss her. Do you know what this story,
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  Stones of Blood? Yeah.
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  Because she. There came a point in my
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  childhood where she just got so fed up with hearing the Doctor
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  Who theme tune. I think she started to resent
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  Doctor Who in my life at one point where she was just like, I
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  can't listen to that music anymore because I'd just play it
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  on a loop. I'm sure you did as well.
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  She came home and she goes to me.
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  I just really want to watch a Doctor Who today.
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  Put one on and we'll watch it together.
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  And I chose this and she had the best time with it.
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  It's good. I think this would be a story if
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  so, if you was to introduce Doctor Who to a friend who knew
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  nothing about it or thought it was a bit silly.
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  If you showed them this, I don't think I'd be embarrassed to
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  watch it with them, whereas other stories I'd be a bit.
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  I don't think it's aged too badly, has it?
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  Because they do the the videotape on location and the
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  videotape in the studio. And I know that was a deliberate
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  choice. Although I do like film work in
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  Doctor Who. You know, that sort of lovely
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  fuzzy film work in the 70s. Yeah, you can tell this is
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  video, can't. I mean, I wouldn't, I'm not one
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  for for rivet counting as they say and things like that.
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  But you can definitely tell it's all video.
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  The picture quality difference. Yeah, absolutely.
• 22:13
  It's it's, it just adds to the atmosphere for me.
• 22:16
  Glen, what on earth are those enormous footprints in the
• 22:20
  English sun? Is it a baying Hound of the
• 22:23
  Baskervilles? Or the mound of the Hound of the
• 22:27
  Baskervilles. I mean, come on, walking stones
• 22:33
  that go around sucking people's blood, it's just great.
• 22:37
  Brilliant. TV show would do it.
• 22:45
  I mean, many probably would try it, but they wouldn't get away
• 22:48
  with it, I don't think. I know, I know, you can hear the
• 22:52
  incidental music that's playing right now because it's so good,
• 22:55
  isn't it? The music in this.
• 22:58
  It always, always draws you in. It's it's the way like, like
• 23:04
  like I said earlier about Mary Tam, she's got such authority
• 23:08
  with Tom there strutting around his and she's following him
• 23:14
  around behind, but she she's comes across so intelligent.
• 23:17
  Don't. You love her in Android Tara.
• 23:20
  Where she goes, Well, I'm going to go and do it myself then if
• 23:22
  you're going to go fishing. Yeah, it's.
• 23:26
  So funny so far. It is a shame because like they
• 23:30
  they can push her into that damsel in distress role like
• 23:33
  she's hanging off a Cliff at the end of this.
• 23:35
  One. Yeah, that is.
• 23:36
  That is, yeah. But she's got such presence.
• 23:42
  I mean, even the way she's sitting there, she's like on a
• 23:45
  model shoot. It's it's.
• 23:48
  It's the Doctor Who Cosmopolitan shoot.
• 23:51
  Yeah. Oh, talking about women with
• 23:54
  presents. Amelia Rumford.
• 23:57
  There she is. Tell me why she is so fabulous.
• 24:05
  It's she reminds me so much of my archaeology teacher.
• 24:09
  It's uncanny. I did she teach her?
• 24:12
  I did. I did.
• 24:13
  Yeah. Well, yeah, I I used to do bit
• 24:18
  of archaeology sort of studying and that because I wasn't
• 24:22
  allowed to do a lot of PE, so I chose other things to do.
• 24:26
  Right. And my teacher was basically
• 24:30
  Professor Rumford. It was brilliant.
• 24:33
  A bit scatty, a bit eccentric. Yeah, used to get up on the desk
• 24:38
  and have a sword fight or set. Fire.
• 24:40
  For the waste paper basket and. Oh my, is she still with us?
• 24:45
  Do you know? I wouldn't have thought so.
• 24:48
  Oh no. Well, can we?
• 24:50
  Can we hear what was her surname?
• 24:52
  What was she? Misses what?
• 24:53
  Or miss what? Mr. Mr. Hope, Oh.
• 24:57
  Dear Miss. Hope.
• 24:59
  Well, Amelia Rumford, I have been long advocating that there
• 25:04
  needs to be an older woman companion in the TARDIS and I
• 25:08
  just think her and Tom would be blissful to get her on
• 25:11
  adventures. That would be brilliant.
• 25:14
  There's there's material there for a story for Lucy to write in
• 25:18
  there. Oh, there you go.
• 25:20
  Thank you for name checking Lucy.
• 25:22
  I mean, she, she does these sort of horrors, these kind of
• 25:25
  horrors really well, doesn't she?
• 25:27
  If anyone can pull it off, Lucy can.
• 25:30
  Absolutely. Well, after what you do with
• 25:31
  Miss Hawthorne. Yeah.
• 25:34
  I wonder, you know, Glenn, if perhaps there's a spin off show
• 25:37
  where you've got Miss Hawthorne, Amelia Rumford and what's the
• 25:41
  one from Seeds of Doom? Amelia Dukar.
• 25:45
  Dukar, Yeah. They're the crazy old women
• 25:48
  detective agency. What do you think?
• 25:50
  Yeah, that would be brilliant. That'd be Sunday night.
• 25:53
  View insulted. I want you to watch in a second.
• 25:56
  Right. You know, when she starts going
• 25:58
  on about the dates. Yes, it was done in the survey
• 26:00
  of all. And Tom Baker looks so pained.
• 26:04
  And I think it's because he's, he's realised that someone's
• 26:07
  come along, but it's more eccentric than him for once.
• 26:11
  He's definitely been upstaged and he.
• 26:14
  Well, who's this has just joined the scene.
• 26:16
  Oh. Couldn't possibly be a villain,
• 26:20
  could it? Well, no.
• 26:22
  Look at her, She's wearing a pink pink trouser suit.
• 26:25
  She looks very amiable. What is the relationship between
• 26:30
  this pair? Will you please explain it to
• 26:32
  me? Are you busy mates?
• 26:35
  I mean, how did they meet? Must have been through some sort
• 26:39
  of archaeological society somewhere, I mean.
• 26:45
  They're living in the house together, aren't they?
• 26:47
  They live in a lovely little cottage together.
• 26:50
  I think in the 70s we didn't judge, we just went OK, those
• 26:54
  two ladies live together. Yeah.
• 26:57
  Oh yeah, I see. You see where I'm going now?
• 27:00
  Yeah, I see. Yeah.
• 27:02
  I still hamster Glen all right. Yeah, I keep forgetting that.
• 27:06
  Sorry. I was in that stone circle
• 27:08
  there. Oh, wow.
• 27:09
  Have you? Been there.
• 27:11
  No. I've been to a lot of stone
• 27:13
  circles, but I've not been that one, no.
• 27:16
  I've I always say because I've done a few doctor locations and
• 27:19
  I've always said the next one I want to do is the roll right
• 27:21
  stones. Yeah, that would be amazing.
• 27:25
  It's it's a massive place when you look at it from above.
• 27:30
  Trouble is though, right it's when I go to these locations I
• 27:32
  tend to act like one of the characters.
• 27:34
  Yeah, just for fun. Mine.
• 27:36
  But all four of them are so amazing.
• 27:37
  Which one would I choose? Yeah.
• 27:40
  There's there's a richness of characters in this story, isn't
• 27:43
  there? There's, there is.
• 27:45
  There's a richness of characters, the richness of
• 27:48
  story. The dialogue I mean.
• 27:51
  I think this is a very witty script.
• 27:55
  It's, it is, it's very wit. It's it's the way they combine
• 27:58
  wittingness with a bit of mystery and and then obviously
• 28:02
  it's going to turn into a bit of horror.
• 28:04
  Do you like all of this sort of Celtic stuff?
• 28:06
  You know, it's talking about the obviously.
• 28:08
  The stone circles. And the the cults and things
• 28:12
  like that. I do.
• 28:14
  I do like all that. Yeah.
• 28:17
  I've. I've always often wondered
• 28:18
  though, whenever watching Doctor Who or a Hammer horror film, or
• 28:24
  why do the occultists always wear the same robes?
• 28:27
  It's always puzzled me. Why do they dress up?
• 28:30
  Who were they trying to impress? I've got an answer for you.
• 28:34
  Why they're precisely the same robes.
• 28:36
  It's because that's all that's in the BBC wardrobe at the time.
• 28:39
  So yeah, it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
• 28:43
  Yeah. I mean, if you just wore your
• 28:45
  normal clothes. If I wore this Dimensions in
• 28:47
  Time T-shirt to my cult meetings then nobody would have a clue.
• 28:51
  Exactly. Missed the trick there.
• 28:53
  Yeah. Oh.
• 28:54
  My God, imagine the dimensions in time cult.
• 28:58
  That would be amazing. We'd all go round chanting Mandy
• 29:02
  or Big Ron, Mandy or Big Ron. Big Ron.
• 29:07
  Mandy won, though, didn't she? Indeed.
• 29:10
  Oh, look at all this this gothic atmosphere.
• 29:13
  Now the. Flames and yeah, this is Hammer
• 29:15
  Horror. Now you mentioned that, are you
• 29:18
  a big fan of Hammer? I love hammer.
• 29:21
  Well, yeah, Hammer. And what's all them?
• 29:24
  Sort of our 70s, sixties, 70s horrors.
• 29:27
  But I think Hammers the iconic 1.
• 29:30
  Why would you say yes to me when I ask you a question like that?
• 29:33
  You know what we're going to play again then.
• 29:35
  Top three Hammer horror movies. Oh top free Hammer horror
• 29:41
  movies. Whatever springs to mind.
• 29:45
  Probably the hands of the Ripper.
• 29:46
  Oh. That sounds.
• 29:50
  Good. I'm now drastically looking at
• 29:53
  my shelf. I mean any of the Dracula films
• 29:58
  with Christopher Lee. OK, that's 2.
• 30:02
  And I'm going to say didn't wasn't one of the quite a mass
• 30:09
  made by horror? Yes.
• 30:11
  Yeah, there was. Yeah.
• 30:14
  Yeah, I'm going to say quite a mass in the pit.
• 30:17
  I have recently watched a couple of Hammers doing commentaries
• 30:21
  with Rob Valentine, so I watched The Mummy.
• 30:24
  And I. Watched one of the the
• 30:27
  Frankenstein ones for doing Brain and Morbius and oh I love
• 30:33
  the atmosphere of them. Yeah, they are good at I mean I
• 30:37
  think as as they got towards the late 70s, early 80s, they went a
• 30:42
  bit cheap Pawnish, shall we show, but they.
• 30:47
  Pawnish. Explain.
• 30:50
  Yourself, Sir? Well, you know, there's like
• 30:54
  you, you, you basic horror plot where someone run running
• 30:59
  through a forest away from something and their clothes
• 31:01
  accidentally fall off or a. Bit like terminus you mean?
• 31:05
  Yeah. Yeah, OK.
• 31:07
  Yeah. I see where you're coming from.
• 31:09
  You've got people like Kate Omar and Grid Pier, that sort of
• 31:11
  thing. Yeah, I mean, you had the
• 31:14
  vampire lovers, that was. Memorable.
• 31:20
  Yeah, yeah. Will you look at this set that
• 31:24
  isn't ABBC Studio? It's lovely, isn't it?
• 31:29
  It's with. The staircase and everything.
• 31:31
  And look. Look at the perspective out the
• 31:32
  window, the detail in the chair there.
• 31:36
  I mean, it's just gorgeous. It's.
• 31:39
  It's so beautiful. I love this man, Mr. Defriese,
• 31:44
  because. He.
• 31:45
  Comes in sort of all charm, doesn't he?
• 31:47
  Oh yes, hello. They're.
• 31:49
  Being they're being cleaned, Doctor, but come episode 2, he's
• 31:52
  there with Martha going where is the crow?
• 31:56
  You know, it goes very Hammer Horror then, doesn't it?
• 31:59
  Very sort of crazy camp. Yeah, you, you can tell Tom's
• 32:05
  just sort of, you know, you know, the doctor doesn't believe
• 32:10
  in, but he's, he's still winding him up along with it.
• 32:13
  I think this period, Tom, yeah, because he does play the fool
• 32:18
  quite a bit. He pulls the wall over so many
• 32:21
  people's eyes because they think he's stupid and he's absolutely
• 32:25
  the cleverest person in the room.
• 32:27
  Yeah, it's it's is it in the city of death when she says no
• 32:32
  one can be that stupid and. Yet he saves the day.
• 32:39
  He saves the day. Still he.
• 32:41
  Does. Now, why on earth are we
• 32:44
  focusing so much on these paintings that aren't on the
• 32:48
  wall? Well, the mystery deepens.
• 32:53
  It might. That's a very dirty wall,
• 32:56
  thinking about it. Well, yeah, I don't think he's
• 32:59
  clean. He don't strike me as somebody
• 33:00
  who has a maid. Maybe Martha does it.
• 33:02
  It's just really bad. She's very bad, Needs a new
• 33:06
  duster. Now look, I think crows get a
• 33:10
  bad rap. You know, I really like crows.
• 33:12
  I was. Feeding in the.
• 33:13
  Park yesterday. Yeah, and that how the hell did
• 33:18
  they get them to sit on top of the TARDIS?
• 33:22
  Patiently, I think. And they threw some bread up
• 33:26
  there. Oh, maybe actually that's a good
• 33:29
  idea. Yeah, big crumbs eat bread A.
• 33:32
  Bit of seed maybe? Yeah, Oh.
• 33:35
  Yeah, Oh, look, I think they're enticing A Ramana back to the
• 33:38
  cottage for a sausage sandwich. Here we go, sausage sandwich.
• 33:42
  Did you? Did your mum ever make you
• 33:44
  sausage sandwiches when you was watching Doctor Who?
• 33:47
  Not when I was watching Doctor Who, but when I when I got into
• 33:50
  sort of like my fan fan age and I'd be at home alone watching
• 33:54
  this. This would always make me make a
• 33:57
  sausage sandwich. Had to be done.
• 34:00
  Mark, it's his favorite thing. Sausage, egg and chips.
• 34:03
  Man, he just, if I make that every night, he'd be happy.
• 34:07
  That's good to me. Well, Yep, you've got to shake
• 34:09
  it up, right? I'm really boring with food.
• 34:14
  Oh, I'm far more excited than Mark is, if I'm honest.
• 34:16
  But I do love a sausage. Actually, seeing a crow close up
• 34:21
  there, that is quite sinister, isn't it?
• 34:24
  They are sinister looking creatures.
• 34:28
  I get. They're very gentle.
• 34:29
  I know they've got big beaks, but they're very gentle crows.
• 34:32
  Oh, look at that shot of Tom looking at the crow.
• 34:36
  Is he drinking? Oh.
• 34:38
  Joe, I've never actually noticed that before.
• 34:41
  Yeah. He looks very comfortable
• 34:42
  drinking Tom. That was very natural, wasn't?
• 34:47
  It remembering Andrew Tatara at the end of episode 1, like
• 34:50
  actually the same bloody thing happens, isn't it?
• 34:52
  He drinks in that and gets knocked out as well and
• 34:57
  cigarettes look as well. He's got a cigarette in his hand
• 34:59
  to. Frise he has.
• 35:01
  He will be doing that inside now.
• 35:07
  That was the thing. I mean, I noticed that watching
• 35:09
  those Hammer movies. Everybody was smoking.
• 35:12
  Yeah, that all that all came to an end sort of in the 90s I
• 35:17
  think, didn't that? Trouble is though, now pubs
• 35:21
  don't smell of smoke anymore. They smell of stale beer and
• 35:24
  piss. It ain't much better.
• 35:26
  No. But at least our lungs are in a
• 35:29
  better state. Yeah, look at the way he, oh,
• 35:33
  Defreese is sitting there, Mr. Mr. Prim and proper oh.
• 35:39
  He's the Lord of the Manor. He is.
• 35:42
  And the head of the cult, I mean, he's, he's got a reason to
• 35:45
  feel a bit arrogant. Invincible.
• 35:49
  Yeah, I love all of this though. Goddess of war, death and magic,
• 35:52
  The Kaliak. Oh, I never, I never see a crow
• 35:57
  out in in the world without thinking Kaliak.
• 36:02
  But you start saying it. Kaliak, Kaliak, Kaliak.
• 36:08
  Mind you, you know, whenever I'm in like a churchyard, yeah, I
• 36:13
  end up. So what did I say?
• 36:14
  And came on a company. Oh, God, I can't remember what
• 36:19
  it is now. Oh, heckartake, heckartake,
• 36:21
  heckartake. I'm still saying that.
• 36:23
  Yeah. I actually I think that that
• 36:28
  Kaliak mask is properly sinister, the sort of the bird
• 36:32
  mask. They certainly put some salt in
• 36:37
  scaring people in this one, I think.
• 36:40
  Oh, Glenn, this cliffhanger, right?
• 36:43
  I think on paper this cliffhanger is superb because
• 36:46
  it's the Doctor pushing Romana off a Cliff that's terrifying.
• 36:50
  But because Tom refused to do it in execution, it just comes
• 36:55
  across very bizarre, doesn't it? It is it?
• 36:59
  It doesn't quite flow, does it? I mean, do you understand why he
• 37:04
  said no? Why he said no?
• 37:05
  I'm not going. I'm the hero.
• 37:06
  I don't want to push. Mary to yeah, I, I can, I can
• 37:10
  see his point. I mean, we're, we're looking at
• 37:14
  it in hindsight, I suppose. What's the get around though?
• 37:18
  Like how you know if the actor isn't willing to do it?
• 37:20
  I suppose you have to do the POV shot that they go for.
• 37:25
  Yeah. Oh, that does look quite high
• 37:28
  actually, doesn't it? I live my cliffs as well, you
• 37:33
  know, so I'll make sure I don't walk with Tom Baker down there.
• 37:38
  No, I don't walk with Tom Baker. Then that's a.
• 37:40
  Good. Chance massive sign that says
• 37:43
  danger Cliff edge. They all do now.
• 37:45
  You know the beachhead where I live, it's all crumbling away.
• 37:49
  Yeah. I mean, it's a good stunt
• 37:52
  because it does look like they have literally shoved somebody
• 37:55
  off a Cliff. Yeah, that's that.
• 37:59
  That is a good an ironic cliffhanger.
• 38:04
  Wow, Glen. Why would you say that to me
• 38:06
  now? You know what I'm going to ask
• 38:08
  you now, don't you? What is the top three
• 38:10
  cliffhangers? What of all time?
• 38:13
  I'm afraid so, yes. Come on to our episode 1.
• 38:17
  Let's go big. I mean, you've got you've got
• 38:22
  the Dalek going up the stairs in remembrance.
• 38:24
  Oh. Yeah, 1.
• 38:26
  Brilliant. Boy, you put me on the spot now.
• 38:30
  Well, come on, I'm trying to test your knowledge, see how
• 38:33
  much you know about this stuff. Oh no, I can't think.
• 38:39
  Me brain's gone blank. What about I'm going to throw
• 38:42
  some at you then? What about cases of Andrews?
• 38:45
  Only one or three. OK, then yeah, that's a good,
• 38:49
  good one. Hang on, what's going on here?
• 38:54
  I've got so many mice set up here, I'm not one on I think.
• 39:02
  I think the Dalek coming out of the River Thames, that's two
• 39:08
  Dalek ones I've chosen there. Yeah, but they do get great
• 39:11
  cliffhangers. Come on.
• 39:12
  And one that always sticks in my mind, which play played havoc
• 39:17
  with my parents when I was on holiday.
• 39:19
  One was when Scar off pulls his mask off in the city of Death.
• 39:26
  That traumed me, that really I heard.
• 39:30
  That, like Cy Hart tells me that all the time that really
• 39:33
  traumatized him as well, or I think it intrigued him, but I
• 39:37
  have heard people say it terrified them as well.
• 39:40
  It it, it was it. We was on holiday in the caravan
• 39:46
  in the middle of nowhere and mum and dad were sitting in like
• 39:51
  front of them. What would be the living room
• 39:53
  bit of the caravan and it must have only been about 10:00 at
• 39:58
  night after 10 at night, something like that.
• 39:59
  And my sister been in the troublemaker.
• 40:01
  She she's like, come on, let's creep out and go for a walk
• 40:04
  outside. So we crept out the caravan not
• 40:08
  far from the caravan was was like woods in the lake.
• 40:12
  So there's there's me, you know, a toddler and my sister walking
• 40:16
  around in the middle of. The night on this, on this part
• 40:21
  where he's hardly in on back and all of a sudden my sister just
• 40:23
  turns around to me and goes, imagine if Skarov was coming,
• 40:27
  was coming through the reeds on that lake, and that was it.
• 40:32
  Jesus, my little legs took me back to that caravan quicker
• 40:35
  than a rocket. Your sister sounded like a
• 40:38
  delight when she was younger. Oh, she yeah.
• 40:42
  Isn't everyone's sister like that, though?
• 40:44
  My sister used to make me watch Freddy Krueger movies.
• 40:46
  They bloody terrified me. And she goes, no, you're going
• 40:49
  to sit there and watch it. You know, when he, when he came
• 40:52
  out the TV. Yeah.
• 40:54
  And when he made that man's braces into a puppet, I was
• 40:57
  like, oh God, please, I want to go upstairs.
• 40:59
  She goes, no, you're going to sit there and watch it.
• 41:02
  They're evil little sisters, aren't they?
• 41:04
  They. Are like you certainly are.
• 41:07
  Well look a fabulous episode 1, wouldn't you agree?
• 41:11
  That was that. I think that is possibly.
• 41:14
  I know it's my favorite story but it's one of the best episode
• 41:18
  ones. Yeah, in terms of atmosphere.
• 41:22
  You know, in terms of that, yeah.
• 41:24
  Yeah, definitely what and great characters as well.
• 41:27
  Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was inside.
• 41:28
  We've met so many great characters.
• 41:32
  Well, are you prepared to hold my hand as we head into episode
• 41:36
  2 and watch hulking great rocks tearing about the countryside,
• 41:41
  I. Think so?
• 41:42
  I think we should grab a sausage sandwich.
• 41:46
  Yeah, sounds fun. OK.