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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And The Plate Change · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Recently
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  Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about how Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: switched his license plates right after the murders. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to add a little more context to that considering
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  Speaker 1: I only mentioned it in passing. Now for me, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be significant moving forward now that he
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  Speaker 1: has been accused of these murders and once it gets
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  Speaker 1: to a jury. Because the jury is going to look
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  Speaker 1: at all of this behavior right in the direct aftermath
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  Speaker 1: and leading up to these murders. And they're going to
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  Speaker 1: put together a whole entire template of who Brian Kohlberger is,
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  Speaker 1: according to the jurors. And this stuff is all going
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  Speaker 1: to add up. Now, if you look at it, piecemeal it, right? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was pulled over by their house. No big deal. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he changed his license plates. Well, he just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be compliant. And while those are simple excuses for these actions,
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  Speaker 1: when you add them all up, you're going to have
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  Speaker 1: a lot more explaining to do, especially when a prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: is putting everything together using digital footprints, witness statements, and
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of other evidence that has been compiled throughout
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. And when all of that is put together
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  Speaker 1: and it's presented to the jury, all of these things
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  Speaker 1: that look like they're happening, you know, as a one-off,
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  Speaker 1: They get put together and it becomes a whole ass
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  Speaker 1: picture for the jury to look at. So someone like
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, who is a criminology student and who allegedly
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  Speaker 1: is super smart, in my opinion here, he made some
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  Speaker 1: pretty crucial errors and some pretty basic errors. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: using your own vehicle in the commission of a crime,
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  Speaker 1: probably not the smartest idea if you hope to get away.
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  Speaker 1: And now looking back on it, it sure looks like
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  Speaker 1: it was the Hyundai Elantra that led the investigators directly
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Kohlberger's parents' doorstep. So let's jump into this
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  Speaker 1: article from Newsweek, and let's get a little more context
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  Speaker 1: about the switching of the license plates. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Matthew Impelli. Brian Koberger, the suspect accused of
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  Speaker 1: murdering four University of Idaho students, changed his license plates
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  Speaker 1: just a few days after the crime was committed. Newsweek
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  Speaker 1: has learned. For years, the Hyundai Elantra that Koberger was
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  Speaker 1: driving was registered in Pennsylvania, according to a Newsweek review
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  Speaker 1: of Carfax documents. Koberger was pulled over in August by
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  Speaker 1: officers with the Latah County Sheriff's Office in Idaho, and
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  Speaker 1: the citation shows that the 2015 Hyundai Elantra had a
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania license plate, but that was changed on November 18th,
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  Speaker 1: five days after the students were killed. So not only
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  Speaker 1: did Brian Koberger use his own vehicle to commit these crimes, allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: but he had been in Moscow previously and pulled over
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  Speaker 1: not too far from where these murders occurred. So again,
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking at it as a one-off, no big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Easily explained. I was in Moscow for XXXXXX reason. But
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  Speaker 1: when you look at it all together and you have
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  Speaker 1: the sum total of all of the evidence, it puts
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  Speaker 1: it in a different light, especially when you have the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors framing it for you as a juror. And now
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  Speaker 1: if there is some DNA evidence, say underneath the fingernails
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  Speaker 1: of one of these murdered students, well, Koberger's in big
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  Speaker 1: trouble there, folks, because there's no way to explain that
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  Speaker 1: one away. You can explain why your DNA is in
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  Speaker 1: the house, maybe. Well, I was at one of these parties,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even someone invited me over and I was
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with them. But besides that, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you're going to explain if your DNA is on
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  Speaker 1: the body of one of these college students who were murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's former attorney, Jason Labar, who represented him only in
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  Speaker 1: his extradition case, has said that his former client is
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  Speaker 1: eager to be exonerated of the murder charges against him. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would think anyone would be eager to be exonerated.
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean he's going to be? We'll have to see.
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  Speaker 1: Because like I said before, with what we have seen
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  Speaker 1: circumstantially here, it looks like they have a pretty strong case.
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  Speaker 1: But we have to keep in mind that the burden
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  Speaker 1: of proof is on the prosecution and on the state.
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  Speaker 1: And as of now, Brian Koberger is considered innocent. So
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  Speaker 1: the state's going to have to make their case. And
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  Speaker 1: that's all going to start with the release of these
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  Speaker 1: charging documents and the probable cause affidavit that is on
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  Speaker 1: its way, we hope, later on today. Carfax documents show
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  Speaker 1: that the car's registration was changed from Pennsylvania, where Koberger's
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  Speaker 1: parents live, to Washington on November 18th, 2022. And a
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  Speaker 1: Newsweek public records request with the Washington State Department of
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  Speaker 1: Licensing showed the license plates on the white Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: were changed on November 19th. So if you were a
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  Speaker 1: juror and you heard all of the information that we
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  Speaker 1: know of anyway, wouldn't you be a little bit suspicious
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  Speaker 1: of behavior such as this? And now, obviously, right here
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  Speaker 1: and this evidence here of him changing plates, that's not
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  Speaker 1: enough to convict, nowhere close to being enough. But when
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  Speaker 1: you look at it in the totality of everything else,
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  Speaker 1: that's where it becomes important. And it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: building a puzzle, right? You have to start at the corners.
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  Speaker 1: You start at the corners, you work your way in,
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  Speaker 1: and as you get more pieces put onto the puzzle, well,
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  Speaker 1: the picture starts to reveal itself. Koberger is a teaching
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  Speaker 1: assistant and Ph.D. student at Washington State University's Department of
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  Speaker 1: Criminal Justice and Criminology in Pullman, which is about nine
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  Speaker 1: miles west of the University of Idaho. Under Washington state law,
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  Speaker 1: drivers are required to register their vehicle within 30 days
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  Speaker 1: of moving to the state. But Jennifer Coffendaffer, a former
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  Speaker 1: FBI agent, told Newsweek that the timing of Koberger's plate
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  Speaker 1: change is certainly interesting, no doubt about it. He was
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  Speaker 1: there for a whole ass semester and he doesn't change
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  Speaker 1: the plates? All of a sudden, four college kids are
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  Speaker 1: murdered and a white Elantra was the vehicle that was
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  Speaker 1: allegedly used in the crime? And now he wants to
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  Speaker 1: change his plates? You don't have to have a suspicious
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  Speaker 1: nature to find some shit like that to be suspicious. Kofendaffer,
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  Speaker 1: who was not involved in the investigation, told Newsweek, And
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Kofendaffer has had a pretty solid opinion all the
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  Speaker 1: way through this. Somebody who has worked these cases before,
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  Speaker 1: someone with some on-hands knowledge of what's going on. So
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  Speaker 1: it's always nice to hear from people who actually have
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  Speaker 1: some experience in the field. On December 15th, Koberger and
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  Speaker 1: his father were stopped by an officer with the Indiana
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  Speaker 1: State Police. Body camera footage of the traffic stop, which
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  Speaker 1: was obtained by Brian Enten of NewsNation, shows the license
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  Speaker 1: plate as CFB 8708, which is the same number that
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  Speaker 1: was assigned to the car on November 18th, according to
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  Speaker 1: documents Newsweek obtained. I'm very interested to see how his
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  Speaker 1: defense goes about this when it comes to these license plates,
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  Speaker 1: because this is going to be pretty significant for the
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  Speaker 1: jury moving forward. I have no doubt about that. Because
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  Speaker 1: if you're sitting on a jury and you hear this news, right? Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's been there for a whole semester already as a
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  Speaker 1: PhD student and he doesn't change his plates. Now, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, four college kids are killed in Moscow
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  Speaker 1: and he goes and changes these plates right away. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: sending off alarm bells in my head. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that there's going to be jurors who are sitting in
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  Speaker 1: hearing this evidence and this information who that's not going
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  Speaker 1: to sit well with. In another traffic stop on the
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  Speaker 1: same date, Koberger confirmed to the police officer that he
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  Speaker 1: was the owner of the vehicle and explained that he
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  Speaker 1: was driving from Washington to Pennsylvania. After the police officer
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  Speaker 1: asked him to clarify information about where he was going,
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's father explained that they may be a bit punchy
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  Speaker 1: because they've been driving for hours. This stop by the
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  Speaker 1: Hancock County Sheriff's Office came before the stop by the
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  Speaker 1: Indiana State Police and the video was also obtained by Enton.
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  Speaker 1: And we now know that that was all part of
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  Speaker 1: an operation that was unfurled by the FBI to continue
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  Speaker 1: to gather information on Brian Koberger. They were looking to
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  Speaker 1: get a closer look at his fingers, his hands, see
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  Speaker 1: if there's any cut wounds, any injuries so that they
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  Speaker 1: can continue to build this case and get the probable
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  Speaker 1: cause warrant that they needed. Two weeks after Kohlberger and
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  Speaker 1: his father embarked on the drive home, the 28-year-old was
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  Speaker 1: arrested for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: and Zanna Kernodle. The four University of Idaho students were
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  Speaker 1: found fatally stabbed in an off-campus residence on the morning
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  Speaker 1: of November 13th. The case sparked national interest and attention
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  Speaker 1: turned to the white Hyundai Elantra after the Moscow Police
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  Speaker 1: Department released information about it on December 7th. That must
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  Speaker 1: have really rattled Koberger, knowing that this information was public now,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that that's his vehicle and that people might be
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  Speaker 1: looking at him sideways. I bet he couldn't wait to
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  Speaker 1: get out of Washington and get back to Pennsylvania. The
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  Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department announced the vehicle was in the area
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  Speaker 1: of the King Road residence where the murders occurred in
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  Speaker 1: the early morning hours of November 13th. They fielded thousands
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  Speaker 1: of tips about the vehicle and several people suspected it
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  Speaker 1: had been identified in Oregon, but the tip turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be inaccurate. It wasn't until Kohlberger was arrested that
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  Speaker 1: police announced that they had found a white Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: that they suspected of being involved in the crime. Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: has not been found guilty in a court and is
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  Speaker 1: currently in Idaho where he will be arraigned on four
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  Speaker 1: counts of first degree murder. So the license plate switch
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  Speaker 1: is going to come back to haunt them, folks. That's
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  Speaker 1: one of my predictions here. I don't make many of those,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that this license plate situation will come
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  Speaker 1: back to haunt them when we're talking about a jury
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  Speaker 1: and a jury looking at all of the pertinent information
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  Speaker 1: and the evidence that's been collected. All right, folks, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. If you'd like
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